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What the Fed Said Today... Another Shift.

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hey everyone kevin here let's take a

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listen to see what the president

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of the saint louis federal reserve mr

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james bullard had to say

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about the economy tapering and more

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let's go ahead listen in we're going to

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jump right into

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the best parts let's go uh reading it

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right now we're certainly hearing a lot

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of anecdotes from our business contacts

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about

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uh supply chain disruption and uh

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other increases in prices commodities as

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you just mentioned

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so i think we are going to see some

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inflation then i expect some of that to

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hang on in

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2022 uh maybe two and a half percent in

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2022

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so so this right here is actually a

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little bit more concerning because

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loretta mester this morning who's

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another fed president

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mentioned as well that we could see

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supply chain disruptions

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uh start settling down and

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see inflation come down in 2022 but we

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wouldn't really see that inflation go

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away until 2022.

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now i have this belief that we're going

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to see an inflection point

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based on a video i made earlier and a

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long-standing belief that i've had we're

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going to see an inflection point in

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inflation rotating to the downside

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between july and october

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but the more they talk about inflation

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lasting through

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2022 the longer the sell-off could take

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let's keep listening part of that is the

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fed strategy of

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uh being less preemptive than we would

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have been historically because we're

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trying to make up for

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past misses of inflation to the low side

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of our inflation target

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yeah so it sounds like this is because

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of their new strategy called

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fate which is flexible average inflation

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targeting basically saying hey

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we're okay if inflation just sits around

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two and a half percent month after month

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after month

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that's what we want to get to an average

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of two percent and eventually

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we narrow down to two percent and that's

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because they've had such a struggle of

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getting to two percent

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inflation per their metrics for a while

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you're in the transitory

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camp i'm trying to feel out where you

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are on the transitory

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you know well how likely is a good

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question the fed would have to move

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i love sarah just cuts them off you know

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it's a good question so i

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uh some of this is transitory but not

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all of it

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because part of what we're trying to do

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is get inflation expectations

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cemented at the 2 percent target

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they've been slumping down below target

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over the last decade and we want to

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reinforce our inflation target so we

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want to get inflation expectations up

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this by the way is a clarification on

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what jerome powell says jerome powell

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says

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hey most of the inflation we're seeing

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is going to be transitory

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he's saying well but not all of it

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because we do after all want some

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inflation we're trying to get to two and

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a half percent inflation so again i'll

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be transitory otherwise we wouldn't get

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to our two and a half percent

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so you're kind of seeing these these

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mixed messages a little bit

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there's someone on the same side but

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they've also got a little different ways

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of conveying things let's keep listening

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have your break even has been trading

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uh somewhat higher here uh but

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not at such a high level that i'm uh

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worried about it

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um but i do think it's encouraging for

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the fed's policy that we will be able to

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get

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inflation up and over two percent uh

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over the next two years and and allow it

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to be there for some time

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how big a swing factor president bullard

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for

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um the level of transitory nature of

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inflation is vaccination rates and if we

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get above

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expectations does that suddenly mean

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we're in a worrying outlook for

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inflation

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they're trying to pin down hey if we get

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like 70 80

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people vaccinated does that mean we're

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gonna overheat way faster

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great question uh

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the vaccination process seems to be

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going pretty well i would say

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a good baseline model to have in your

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head is a technology adoption model

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which is

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always s-shaped whenever you see those

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curves they're very slow at the

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beginning then they rise

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rapidly and then it's very hard to get

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the last part of the technology adoption

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that's what's going to happen with the

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vaccinations here that's interesting

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he's really saying

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he's answering this by saying hey think

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of vaccinations

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as growing like an s-curve which just so

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you have a graphical picture of what

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that looks like

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you have slow growth at first kind of

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like a tesla right

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then you get this sort of exponential

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style growth

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and then you get this slowing down again

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which a lot of folks think we might

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potentially be in this inflection point

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phase now where we're slowing down

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and this is another way of saying it's

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going to take longer to get this last

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portion over here

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that last you know uh you know 40 or

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whatever people is going to take longer

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than than the first

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60 percent let's keep listening uh but

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nevertheless i think uh

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it's it's going very well keep in mind

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current vaccination rates i want to say

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in california around 35 percent

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nevada's around uh 40 so it's still

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still

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work to be done but anyway keep going

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here well in the u.s

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fatalities are coming down dramatically

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confirmed cases are down

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uh dramatically so i think that boats

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very well

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for the u.s economy and our ability to

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reopen and put the pandemic

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behind us not as good in the rest of the

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world as you know but

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uh but going very well in the u.s

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which brings us to the jobs question

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today we got data showing 8.1 million

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job openings a record high

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we've started to see wages move up so

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there's clearly demand

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for labor and yet april's jobs report

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was disappointing in terms of the number

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of hirings

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why do you think that happened

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uh i think it's just a little bit early

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to really expect

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a big jobs growth you've got

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the pandemic not quite over yet not

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everybody vaccinated still at risk out

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there

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it strikes me that for a low-wage worker

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that's been disrupted

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it's not that great a proposition right

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now to tell that person

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or ask that person to come back to work

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so then he touches on jobs and some

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history

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got a little boring there but then sarah

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let's see his response

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to uh sarah eisen's question why are you

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guys still printing them

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why don't you give it up if the economy

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is doing so well stop

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printing maybe then we won't have these

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high inflation expectations

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see what his response is once we get out

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of the pandemic then i think it'll be

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time to uh

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look at whether monetary policy can

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change

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and as far as congress goes i'm growing

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more skeptical

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reading the political tea leaves that

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they're going to be doing anything more

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either

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okay i'm just going to quickly because

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we did jump into that there just to

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clarify what he just said

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this is a big statement here he's going

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hey look you know what

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yeah we're still printing money and

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guess what we're gonna keep printing

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money until the pandemic is

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over remember what he said earlier it's

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very important we're going to

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he's basically saying we're going to

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print money until we get to that

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vacation

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vaccination level and we think this

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vaccination level is going to be

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harder to get to right here because of

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s-curve adoption rates

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for the uh vaccine

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then he says about congress though i

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don't expect them to keep printing money

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and uh this could sort of be an

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implication well i think it's a clear

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argument that he's not expecting

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congress to send any kind of more

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stimulus checks or whatever

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but it might be a little bit of an

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argument that maybe the congress or

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congress is even having trouble getting

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the infrastructure plan done which could

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be another way of suggesting that hey

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you know

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look we're still reprinting we still

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have work to do we're still going to

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keep

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holding firm until the pandemic's over

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congress on the other hand

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well they always have trouble spending

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money the fact that they got the

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spending done they did is great but

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we're not going to see any big new

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stimulus package

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maybe we'll see the infrastructure but

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hey skeptical we'll see what happens

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what he said here it's a pretty big

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response on on basically the fed saying

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i mean we're just going to keep printing

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let's keep going

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that's interesting i finally just wanted

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to get your sarah nails it

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thoughts on the housing market which

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which is red hot and we are seeing now

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response here on housing

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bidding wards are back there's a low

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why is the fed still buying

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mortgage-backed securities do you worry

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that the fed is

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stoking the flames of this hot housing

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market and hurting affordability

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such a great question again and she's

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reiterating basically a similar question

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to what she just asked she goes

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why are y'all printing so much money

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then he answered with himself

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and congress now she's going what about

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housing housing's blowing up you guys

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are basically supporting the housing

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market too

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it's a great part two to her original

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question

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yeah i think uh it's certainly true that

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the

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housing market looks uh extremely strong

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i you know i hope that elicits a supply

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response

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uh you've certainly got uh lumber prices

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being talked about a lot here so i think

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that uh when the time comes that's

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something we could look at but

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but uh i think it's too early to talk uh

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taper here we're gonna let the chair uh

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open that discussion when he thinks it's

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appropriate

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there's a headline too early to talk

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taper we've heard it from a number of

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fed presidents all day long we thank you

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for your time

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james willard president of the saint

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louis vote that was good

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uh i mean it was it was very insightful

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i think the big bottom lines i took away

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from this are

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that the fed with two folks today mester

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and

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uh bullard are thinking hey look

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inflation

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we're gonna push for this to be two and

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a half percent for a while we're going

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to keep printing for a while don't worry

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about us

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raising rates or tapering just yet we've

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got to get that s curve adoption for

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vaccines

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uh done and we don't even know what the

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winter is going to look like last time

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jerome powell talked

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he mentioned that look winter could be

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bad unless we get that vaccine adoption

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so the fans holding firm they're going

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to keep printing and keep supporting

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and they expect that inflation will

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inflict down sometime between now

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and next year but that uh higher these

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these inflationary prices will

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definitely continue

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uh throughout the rest of the year so

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we'll keep an eye on that

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