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started there now. Uh we're just going

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to give another maybe a couple of

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minutes, another minute before everyone

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starts to enter in and then we'll get

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going.

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Whatever

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All right guys, so we'll get going with

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today's webinar. Uh good morning

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everyone. You're very welcome to our

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webinar today focusing on water

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sustainability and leisure and sports

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sector. Uh the webinar is delivered as

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part of the ESM project. Um just before

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we begin, just to let you know that

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today's webinar is being recorded and

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will be shared on our YouTube channel

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later on in the day. Uh just some

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housekeeping before we start. Um if you

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have any questions throughout the

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presentations of the two speakers uh

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please share your questions in the Q&A

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section. Um and I will ask the questions

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uh as soon as the presentation is over

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after each of the speaker. Uh I also

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would appreciate if uh everyone just

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mutes their audio throughout the

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presentation so there's a nice flow to

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the webinar. Um so just a quick

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introduction before we get going with

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the speakers on what the ESM stands for.

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So it's the enhanced sustainable

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measures and sports facilities project.

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Uh and it's short for ESM project. Uh

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the ESM project is a collaborative

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effort aimed at fostering sustainability

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and innovation within sport and leisure

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facilities across Europe. Uh both Sport

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Ireland and Art Active are involved with

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the project to help sport and leisure

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facilities to uh to facilitate a green

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transition throughout the development uh

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of tools, guidelines and knowledge

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sharing platforms and webinars such as

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today. H as a aims to empower facilities

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to adopt sustainable best practice

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measures. Uh the project is developing a

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digital platform that sports and leisure

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facilities from all over Europe can

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assess to gather information, ideas and

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possible solutions to become more

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sustainable. The platform will contain

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an interactive map of facilities across

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Europe that are already successful

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example of sustainability and green

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solutions. So really hope that you get

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uh some great insights and informations

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from uh the session today and from the

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two speakers. So as you already know we

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have two wonderful speakers lined up for

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today and to kick off we're delighted to

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be joined uh by Neil McCabe. Uh Neil is

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the CEO and founder of the green plan, a

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sustainability leader and entrepreneur

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who has earned international recognition

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for pioneer and practical award-winning

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sustainable solutions. So h I'm just

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going to stop sharing the presentation

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and I will

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share Neil's presentation. So just keep

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bear with me for a moment.

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So I hope you can see my screen.

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Yes, Neil. So you can nail if you can on

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mute.

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>> Oh, there we go.

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>> Perfect. Yeah,

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>> I was looking risky for a minute there,

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Bal.

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>> Yeah, you're all right. You're all

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right. No problem.

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>> Yeah. So, uh, thanks for having me here

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today. Uh, I recently had a presentation

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with Michael and the team including Val

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there at the Ireland Active Conference

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and it was a great day with some really

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good chats afterwards.

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Michael had asked me to talk about today

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so I'm delighted to do so. Um, although

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I'm going to get into the presentation

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just a kind of quick intro. So my

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background is in deep retrofits and

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energy reduction of buildings as well as

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carbon emission projects across the

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community. uh they apply to many

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different settings. So um I also run the

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green plan the file mentioned and that's

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a licensed framework to reduce energy

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demand and uh my first success was with

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the launch of the green plan in Kabar

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fire station which became the world's

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first carbon neutral fire station and

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verified by many different associations

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around the world. Um but because of that

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I'm actually still a firefighter and

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paramedic with Dublin Fire Brigade and

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my shift was last night just to put it

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in perspective. So um I bring a kind of

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different different viewpoint and

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standpoint on a lot of energy issues and

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carbon emission related issues. So um

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I'm obviously thanking Michael for the

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invitation to share that with everybody

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today. Um my focus today is that if you

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run or manage a pool, you're already

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doing a hard job.

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My goal is just to show in simple terms

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small visible changes that can buy some

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time may have already happened can be

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tweaked can be added to but will develop

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money and resilience. So I'm going to uh

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try and get this presentation up now and

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I'll I'll share how that goes with

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everybody from here on in. Uh Val, if

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you can click away there. Sorry.

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>> Yeah.

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So, uh, I spend half my life in energy

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respon emergency response and I send the

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other half inside buildings that were

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never designed for the future we're now

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living in. Where that comes from is that

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although I do uh my shift, which is 56

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hours one week and 44 hours the next as

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the frontline firefighter, the green

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plan and the other side aspects of of

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the work I do with the license have me

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involved in deep energy retrofits that I

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mentioned earlier. And that's why I I

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feel I have a good bit to bring to this

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today. If you can click there.

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Um, so where I'm coming from is

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firefighter paramedic perspective. My

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world revolves around when systems fail

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under pressure right now. The climate

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crisis is a system that's uh under

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pressure and actually in complete

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crisis. And I work inside public

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buildings. So I don't just talk about

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them. Um, but I also just as an

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interesting aspect, I I mentioned this

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before. I used to be a pool lifeguard

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for nearly five years. So, I've seen

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energy, water, and waste all hand.

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Think I clicked that f.

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Uh, I have hoped to frame water as a

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cost and risk issue today. So, it won't

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be an environmental lecture. I don't

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intend to be preaching to people. And

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I'd say most of the people who are here

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today already have a good idea about

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what can be done or what they would like

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to do. So I'm definitely not here to

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preach about it. But I want to talk

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about the whole building concept and not

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just the pool. And I'm definitely going

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to use approximate maths. Uh my

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intention is not to bury deep into maths

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because we probably need a full day on

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that just just to get through it. So

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it's not it's not about that kind of uh

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idea. It's more about unlocking the

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thinking among everybody today.

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So if we want to talk about meaningful

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savings in Ireland, leisure facilities

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and pools are obviously unavoidable.

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Um so your own group uh just did some

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digging and a little bit of research.

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You have roughly 200 uh members that

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operate pools and according to the

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information that I can get from Swim

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Ireland, there's approximately 400

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swimming pools across the country. Um

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and these are some of the most energy

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and water intensive buildings in the

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country. And again although today the

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focus is on water, it's we actually need

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the energy to run the water and heat the

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entire building. So we'll just look at

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the building as such today.

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So I put this as a slide because water

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waste is a hidden energy waste and a lot

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of us feel that if we're dealing in

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water, it's what the water you can see

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is what we're accounting for. And

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bizarrely, we don't have water meters in

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a lot of swimming pools in Ireland, so

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we can't even tell how much water is

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being used. But it's actually a hidden

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energy water waste because the energy is

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the water travels in and out. So just to

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be aware of that.

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So how it matters, it's a financial

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situation. If we think about maths, if

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we can do anything that saves money and

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then helps the environment, well then

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that is a benefit to society. So that is

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a benefit to the environment. Um water

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isn't just water. It's the heated water

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that's in swimming pools. It's every

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single liter of water as energy. It's

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the water carrying chemicals. It's the

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temperature dropping when chemicals are

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introduced. It's the temp the

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temperature hiring and having to be

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lowered. It's insulation. It's

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insulation on the building. It's the

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water pumping. And it's the staff time

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even that's involved in regulating the

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water and treating the water. And all of

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this is a financial burden as well as an

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amount of water used. But the big thing

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is that water is paid for as a rate in

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every part of Ireland for water going in

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and water going out. Unless you have a

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well, and there's still rates connected

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with that anyway.

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So most savings don't actually come from

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the swimming pool at all. They come from

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everything that's wrapped around it. As

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I said at the start today, I want to

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talk about the building to explain the

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importance and relevance of the building

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on water reduction.

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So just looking at some as I said just

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some average figures. I don't want to

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dig deep into every single person's

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swimming pool and one pool is really

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good and another pool could be better,

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another pool wishes it was better. Just

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just looking at facility energy use. So,

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we're looking to 2,000 to 3,000

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megawatts of energy a year with 400 to

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600 tons of CO2E. So, carbon emission

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equivalent reduction per swimming pool

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per year. that they're massive figures

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especially if you look at the CO2e value

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because we while we all focus on

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emissions and what goes into the

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stratosphere and the atmosphere we're

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also having to understand that there's

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other emissions being released along

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with carbon emissions and those

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emissions travel back to land and cause

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other problems in the community such as

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ill health and different medical issues

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which I'll I'll do my best not to go on

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a tangent about but

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But it's just very important to

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understand it's the CO2E value per

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swimming pool per year is a massive

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figure. So we looked at 400 pools

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nationally

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which is almost roughly 1.2 gawatt of

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energy which is over a quarter of a

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million tons of CO2e in one year. So

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these are this staggering maths and

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definitely people have the opportunity

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to do things about it without spending

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millions of euro. Go to the next one,

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pal, please.

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So, these buildings weren't designed to

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be in efficient. That's very important

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to recognize. They were designed for a

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different world. They were designed for

12:03

when fossil fuel independence wasn't an

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issue. They were designed when solar

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panels and PV panels and airsource heat

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pumps weren't considered. They were just

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built for fossil fuels. Now, more modern

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buildings are designed better, but the

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thing is that the figures that we're

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talking about are normal at the moment.

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Those those like 1.2 to gigaton. We're

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talking major figures and it's it's

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spoken about as if it's normal across

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the industry.

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So when you look at building scope,

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design and function, you'd have things

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like building manager, design phase,

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building manager, you'd have BMS

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systems, all these things that are

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supposed to be prepared ahead of time,

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and sometimes they are, but they're

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always prepared for a facilities uh

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first approach. the energy systems are

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second and sometimes I'm sure Colin will

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have loads to talk about um inside of of

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Pro Park, but a lot of the time the

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energy system is second and that brings

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us into retrofit, which means the

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building is already inadequately

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performing because of that fossil fuel

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era mindset.

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And then a lot of the time when I'm

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dealing with clients, the biggest

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problem is they're retrofitting things,

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which is a terrific idea, but the

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retrofit itself isn't futurep proofed.

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So sometimes you come across talk of an

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ESCO um and EPCs that are so immediate

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and short-term or temporary based, they

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haven't itself looked towards the

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future. So they're not even futurep

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proofed. And that makes it more

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expensive in the in the the reciprocal

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effect of everything. And this causes a

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lack of monitoring because as soon as a

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BMS is put in or any type of system is

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in, it's easy to step back and go that's

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monitoring everything. But it may not

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have been futurep proofed. The concept

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may not have been there. So this causes

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more energy inefficiencies.

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So easy wins that anybody can look at,

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but if there was a number one win that I

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that I would regularly talk to people in

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the industry about, it's water meters

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and the visibility of the water meter.

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Um, bizarrely, this isn't the thing. So,

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no one usually, I don't say no one, but

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a lot of the time water entering and

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leaving the building isn't checked. As a

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result, you can't tell how much water is

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used, but you can't tell how much water

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left the building and what temperature

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it was when it left. So, there's

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actually a a catchment system that could

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be put in place and isn't um do duty

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flush monitoring. It's probably the the

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bane of my life. So, we put in um as

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many urininals and different flush

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systems all around big complexes and

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different swimming pools and leisure

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centers

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and then up to 15 L of water is flushed

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every 9 minutes. some some some places

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it could be 60 liters per minute and the

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whole entire time the building was

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dormant and hadn't been used for a full

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week as an example. Maybe it was closed.

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It's going all through the night and a a

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tiny tiny bit of monitoring match with a

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tiny little system can actually prevent

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that much water from being lost. But

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again, what's the point if there wasn't

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an energy sorry a water meter to begin

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with? And people have completely missed

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that. uh lowflow showerheads. It's a

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simple one. We can all visualize that

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the budget is tiny for these things. The

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maintenance budget is tiny for these

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things, but the preventative maintenance

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budget usually doesn't exist. So

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creating a small budget to allow for the

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facility to replace the lowflower uh

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lowflow shower heads and the likes of

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the duty flush or even self-closing taps

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but monitored and metered is an enormous

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energy saving which is an energy saving

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because it's it's a water saving first

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and of course it all feeds into the

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cycle. Um, we spoke about the the

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fabric. I was saying it's a whole

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systems approach to to reducing water.

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If you it's a simple mats. If you can

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put in LED lighting, you probably have a

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one to threeyear payback. And that's a

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behavior change that affects the entire

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building. But just like the duty flush

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on the urinals and toilets, buildings

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don't need to be powered up and don't

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need to have energy running 24 hours a

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day. Again, this uses cons consumes more

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water because it's actually overloading

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the boiler and that's we can talk later

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about the biomass system. Uh what type

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of system is being used? Is it a

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straightforward old boiler? Is it gas?

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What's the system? But it's still having

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a a heavier load because of this. And

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then the main thing I'm I'm forever

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talking about with with um clients would

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be the roof insulation on the swimming

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pool. Sometimes it's not just it doesn't

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exist. It's usually just a piece a small

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piece of tin and or steel or some type

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of clad. And it's bizarre to hear that a

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building is in effect a giant chimney

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and all the hot water which naturally uh

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sorry all the heat which naturally rises

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go straight through the ceiling of the

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leisure center. Like you'd never if if

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we look back in 20 years no one will

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believe this was a thing. So just to

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share with you that's another uh angle

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to come from.

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So I mentioned earlier about monitoring

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and meeting how important it is and you

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can't manage what you can't see. So on a

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visit to many swimming pools or being

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involved in in several EPCs and ESCOS

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for uh collaborative projects across

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Dublin, one of the things we really

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noticed in the swimming pools was that

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the hot water cylinder is in overdrive.

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So as as you can imagine hot water

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cylinders and moni um and different

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systems would have expansion valves,

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expansion vessels and systems that blow

17:49

off the excess hot water. But in the

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pools we were visiting the water was

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actually overflowing out of the cylinder

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and was putting a constant demand on the

17:59

boiler 24 hours a day. So that

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overheating was because there was no

18:04

temperature check and just to make like

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in the scale of hundreds of millions of

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euro being spent on energy uh demand

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reductions and how to reduce emissions.

18:15

It cost €14 to put a temperature

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temperature probe into the first

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cylinder that we did the trial on. And

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we ended up we put three probes in to

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make the point of we were we were

18:26

rolling them around the cylinder. But

18:28

those those simple like €14 it's it's

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doesn't even make sense. It was so

18:33

inexpensive and it was able to reduce

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the cylinder's heat capacity and stop

18:38

the expansion expansion vessel uh being

18:40

in overflow which reduced the workload

18:43

on the boiler because someone was able

18:45

to see it. And then because they're able

18:47

to see it, they started to monitor the

18:49

amount of water that was being sent to

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the cylinder from the boiler

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system. And they were able to show how

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much water was leaving the cylinder to

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go to the pools and obviously the the

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other areas such as the the foot bath,

19:02

the uh showers, the wash basins. But

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that was when they realized the system

19:06

was plumbed in and it had lukewarm water

19:09

making its way to the toilets. But

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because it was never monitored and

19:13

measured, no one had a way to do it. So

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for €14 they're able to save an awful

19:18

lot of money and although they still

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needed an ESCO I just say imagine if it

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was as easy as just putting a

19:23

temperature probe in a cylinder in every

19:25

single swimming pool that doesn't have

19:27

one. So it's a it's a big impact big win

19:30

idea.

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So, just to put some maths back into

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this, uh, based on what we said earlier,

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if we only looked at say a 5 to 10%

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reduction across the all of Ireland's

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um, suite of pools,

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obviously not just yourselves, we're

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looking at 120 gawatt hour saved

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annually, which is 24,000 tons of CO2e

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that could be avoided. Now, again, I'm

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not talking about the hundreds of

19:58

millions of euro. I'm talking about the

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cost of insulating a roof, the cost of

20:02

putting in temperature probes, the cost

20:04

of putting in uh pipe work monitoring to

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just show flow direction and what is the

20:09

the actual um rate of flow and just

20:12

having figures that we could do. And

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that's all without spending millions of

20:15

euro.

20:23

So basically what I'd like to kind of

20:25

depart with today is that I have a one

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to5 idea which would be monitoring comes

20:31

first which will in itself change

20:33

behavior.

20:35

If staff are asked to go around taking

20:37

the energy meter readings, find out what

20:41

the water reading is for these new

20:43

sensors that I'm talking about and build

20:46

data from that to create what would be

20:49

the energy saving. Now with that new

20:51

information and then consider where you

20:53

go with a retrofit later. Um the idea

20:56

would be you could then look for the

20:59

grant funding that is available provided

21:02

you have something to base it off and in

21:04

the the first chat I had given at the

21:06

conference and reference again today the

21:09

problem is people haven't measured or

21:11

monitored or metered the amount of water

21:13

use or energy use in the building first

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and in some retrofits where you

21:18

introduce a building management system

21:19

an energy management system that's a

21:21

fantastic thing but when that's happened

21:24

without the original data, we've nothing

21:26

to work from. So I' I'd finish up by

21:30

saying if we can finish on understanding

21:33

the baseline first, that's the first win

21:36

to unlock the five systems there. So uh

21:39

it's not about perfection, it's about

21:41

control. So

21:44

So thanks very much for the chance to go

21:47

over that. I hope it wasn't too preachy

21:49

or boring. I'm trying to blitz through

21:52

everything without spending people's

21:54

money and uh I'll be hanging around for

21:56

the questions obviously.

22:00

>> Yes, guys. So, if if you have any

22:02

questions, please uh share them in the

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Q&A.

22:06

Um

22:08

so, I have a question for you here, uh

22:11

Neil.

22:13

So Tim from Irish surfing I have

22:16

terrible reception as oh sorry sorry

22:18

sorry that's completely different

22:19

question

22:20

that's probably at the very start um

22:23

yeah guys so if you have a power as well

22:27

>> h if you have any questions guys please

22:29

uh share them in the Q&A h I have a

22:32

question here uh from our end here Neil

22:34

so um do you think there's still a

22:39

perception in Ireland that water is an

22:41

unlimited resource and uh why is it

22:44

important from sport and leisure

22:45

facilities to challenge that as part of

22:47

their sustainability journey?

22:50

>> Yeah, so my own my own take on

22:52

sustainability would be that there are

22:54

seven themes to sustainability. So it's

22:56

energy, water, waste, biodiversity,

23:00

society, transport and procurement. How

23:02

we affect all seven themes impacts life

23:06

in our community. So unfortunately in

23:09

our community we have an environment

23:12

where people take an awful lot of things

23:14

for granted. And when you go to a

23:16

swimming pool um a lot of people would

23:19

believe the phrase they or them

23:22

everything is provided by them for us

23:25

and we don't have to care about where

23:27

the water comes from. And in the same

23:28

mindset,

23:30

I I'm like flabbergasted at the amount

23:33

of swimming pools and leisure centers

23:35

that don't have water metering in place.

23:38

So, as a result, if water was to be

23:40

taken seriously, I wouldn't be on today

23:42

and no one would be here talking about

23:44

water because already people would have

23:46

monitoring and measurement in place. To

23:48

back that further, if we if we use

23:51

anything in our home, say in the current

23:53

environment, you're using a compost bin.

23:56

It's just a to give you an example. And

23:58

the organic waste matter is fed into an

24:00

a composting bin and somebody says

24:03

that's where that's now going. But the

24:05

same person that does that will

24:06

generally brush their teeth with the tap

24:08

running. They didn't turn the water off

24:10

while they were brushing their teeth.

24:12

There's a famous example of that when

24:14

Ender Kenny was uh the tea shock at the

24:17

time and his own family asked him to

24:19

turn the tap off while while he was

24:20

brushing his teeth while he was going to

24:22

a conference to talk about climate

24:24

change. So it's a well doumented uh

24:27

event. I would say it's just a mindset

24:30

and I think the biggest thing for all of

24:31

us is to think in money. If you can see

24:34

that wasting water is a waste of money,

24:37

you'd start to feel different and the

24:39

best way to do it is to meter and

24:41

measure so that you have those answers.

24:45

>> Thank you very much uh Neil. So there

24:48

whoever is on their on their only

24:51

starting their journey there's a lot of

24:52

practical um things that they can begin

24:56

with and I also really encourage uh for

25:00

participants to go and visit the green

25:02

plan that I there's a lot of helpful

25:04

information on on on Neil's website uh

25:07

and how to begin the journey and uh a

25:09

variety of different best practices. So

25:11

thank you very much Neil. Um so now

25:14

we'll we'll move on to our second

25:16

speaker and uh our case study. Uh so I'm

25:19

delighted to introduce uh Colin O'Brien

25:22

who works in operations and

25:24

sustainability at Crow Park. Uh Colin

25:27

plays a key role in delivering

25:28

sustainability initiatives at one of

25:30

Europe's most iconic sporting venues. Um

25:33

Colin will now share a case study on

25:35

water sustainability initiatives at Crow

25:37

Park outlining practical measures

25:39

implemented on site and learnings that

25:41

can be applied across the wider leasure

25:44

and sport center. So Colin will pass

25:45

that on to you. So I'll just stop

25:47

sharing my slide.

25:49

>> You can begin.

25:51

>> Thanks. Well, one second now.

26:02

Can you see that? Okay.

26:03

>> Yeah, perfect. Thank you.

26:04

>> Lovely. So, thanks everyone. I just have

26:06

a few slides here about 10 or 15 minutes

26:08

just to give an overview of of our water

26:11

usage here at Crow Park. Uh what we do

26:14

to manage it and just some of the the

26:15

measures we have in place. It's quite

26:17

different to to a swimming pool

26:18

obviously but again there'll be similar

26:22

things there discussed to what what Neil

26:23

spoke about but um yeah whether a

26:26

swimming pool sports facility a forest

26:29

station like Neil there spoke about or

26:31

any building or facility the same

26:33

principles apply really when it comes to

26:35

to water measures or energy measures

26:37

that there's a there's a large crossover

26:40

there so I'm sure you'll take a lot of a

26:42

lot of uh I suppose learnings from from

26:44

what what we're doing here hopefully

26:47

Um, just to give a brief background to

26:48

the stadium then for anyone who hasn't

26:51

heard of us. I'm sure most people have

26:52

at this stage, but we're Europe's fourth

26:54

largest stadium with a capacity of

26:56

82,300.

26:59

Uh, quite lucky to have a stadium of

27:01

this size in the country as as most

27:03

people will be aware of. The the three

27:05

largest stadiums in Europe are Wembley,

27:07

the Barnabo in Madrid um, and the New

27:10

Camp in Barcelona. So quite a large

27:13

facility. We're a multi-use venue. We're

27:15

not just a a sporting arena mainly for

27:17

Gaelic games obviously, but we're also

27:19

probably Ireland's largest and busiest

27:22

conference and events venue. Um we also

27:24

have a museum

27:26

um who offers skyline tours and museum

27:29

tours uh all year round. Uh we also host

27:32

concerts um up to six, seven concerts a

27:35

year and other sports as well. We had

27:37

our first NFL game this year. We've had

27:39

rugby as well. So quite busy. We've had

27:41

over 50 sporting events this year. Um

27:44

and that that amounted to over 1.5

27:48

million visitors to the stadium this

27:50

year. Uh we have over 100 meeting rooms,

27:53

corporate boxes, eight large event

27:55

spaces that are not just used on on a

27:57

match day or or a concert day, they're

27:59

used every day of the week for

28:00

conferences, exhibitions, meetings of

28:03

all sorts. So quite a busy venue all

28:06

year round, not just for for match days

28:08

throughout the summer. And we were the

28:10

first stadium in the world to obtain

28:11

both ISO 14,0001 and ISO 20121

28:16

certifications for environmental

28:17

management and sustainable events. And

28:20

over the past couple of years as well,

28:21

we we received the ISO 50,0001

28:24

certification for for energy management.

28:25

So they pretty much uh are the bedrock

28:28

of everything we do when it comes to

28:30

sustainability, those those

28:31

certifications. And yeah, as I

28:33

mentioned, we we welcomed I think 1.6

28:35

million visitors to the stadium this

28:37

year. So with that, as you can imagine,

28:39

comes a lot of a lot of water use, a lot

28:40

of energy use and a large carbon

28:43

footprint across all of our our

28:45

operations.

28:47

Just a few facts and figures then. So

28:49

our annual water usage is about 40,000

28:52

meters cubed, which is 40 million

28:54

liters. So quite a lot of water there.

28:58

The size of the stadium, we're we're

28:59

looking at 300,000 square meters of

29:01

floor floor space across seven levels.

29:04

We have 16 kitchens, nine restaurants,

29:06

nearly 800 toilets. We have about 400

29:10

urinals, 22 bars, and 56 QSRs or quick

29:14

service restaurants. So, as you can

29:16

imagine there, lots of water being used

29:18

in all those facilities. Lots of energy

29:20

as well. Um, just to give you an idea of

29:24

of our storage or where our water is

29:27

stored, we've cold water storage tanks

29:29

around the stadium serving different

29:31

stands on different levels of the

29:33

stadium. And that equates to about 1.2

29:35

million lers of storage capacity

29:37

overall. Uh we've one pitch irrigation

29:41

storage tank that holds just over 70,000

29:44

L of water and that's served from our

29:46

rainwater harvesting system which went

29:48

live about a year ago. And we believe

29:50

that's the the largest rainwater

29:52

harvesting system in the country. So

29:54

that holds 1.5 million lers of rainwater

29:57

at any given time. You collect all the

29:59

rain water off off the stadium roof, off

30:01

the surfaces of the car parks. Um,

30:04

anything that would have traditionally

30:05

went into the the sewers or the or the

30:09

uh the storm channels now goes into our

30:10

our underground rainwater harvesting

30:13

system. So, at the moment, it's being

30:15

used to to irrigate our pitch. Um, also

30:18

being used for cleaning power hosing and

30:21

we're looking to hook it up to some of

30:22

our toilets on your Rhinos now of of the

30:24

next stage of that project.

30:27

um our sprinkler system wet riser

30:29

storage tank nearly 3,000

30:33

um 300,000 lers to serve approximately

30:36

1,800

30:38

fire sprinkler heads around the stadium.

30:40

So quite a lot of water needed there in

30:42

storage in case touchwood um hasn't

30:45

happened yet but if there was a fire in

30:46

the stadium obviously a lot of a lot of

30:48

water as Neil would understand there lot

30:50

of lot of storage required for that two

30:52

break tanks as well thousand liters each

30:55

in each of those. Uh and we're members

30:57

of Ishka Eron's advanced water

30:59

stewardship program. I'm not sure if

31:01

many people have heard of the water

31:02

stewardship program. I'll I'll talk

31:04

about that further in in a few minutes

31:06

time.

31:08

So, where do we use our water and and

31:10

how much of it do we use in each area?

31:11

So, pitch irrigation accounts for about

31:13

15% of our overall annual water usage,

31:16

about 6,000 meters cubed. Toilets and

31:19

washrooms is is by far our biggest water

31:22

user, about 35%

31:24

uh or 14,000

31:26

uh meters cubed. Uh like I mentioned,

31:29

we've we've almost 800 toilets and about

31:31

500 urinals around the stadium. So,

31:35

a lot of water being used there,

31:36

especially on an event day. Uh

31:38

concessions and catering is about 20% of

31:40

our water usage or 8,000 uh cubic

31:42

meters. Showers and changing rooms about

31:45

10% again they'd only be really used on

31:47

an event day. So um would be a lot

31:50

higher if they were used every day of

31:51

the year about 4,000 cubic meters there.

31:54

Cleaning uh 15% about 6,000 uh cubic

31:58

meters of water a year. And then cooling

32:01

a mechanical system. So uh things like

32:04

our chillers and HVAC obviously use use

32:05

a bit of water. So the 2,000 cubic

32:07

meters there. So that's a breakdown

32:10

there of of where we use our water

32:12

toilets and wash mushrooms been being

32:13

the biggest one. So I'll just move on to

32:16

some of our cons conservation measures

32:18

we have in place to try and reduce those

32:19

figures year on year. The water

32:22

harvesting system then that went live a

32:23

year ago. That's obviously our biggest

32:25

our biggest initiative to date. It it's

32:27

the biggest water harvesting system in

32:29

the country and it's something that a

32:31

lot of facilities can implement. Ours is

32:33

obviously a large scale project, but you

32:35

can implement the water harvesting

32:36

system on any scale really depending on

32:38

your budget, the size of your facility

32:40

and what what you want it to serve,

32:41

whether it's to serve uh toilets and

32:44

washrooms or for cleaning, power

32:47

washing. Um it's we've got a lot of rain

32:50

water in Ireland obviously, so it's

32:51

something we should really tap into. Uh

32:53

low flush tap, showers, and toilets all

32:55

around the facility.

32:57

uh smart water controls uh covering

33:00

probably 95% of of the stadium as well

33:03

and that's hooked up to our BMS system

33:05

build building management system

33:07

something that Neil touched on there as

33:08

well as we used to have the urinal

33:10

flushing throughout the night as well

33:11

and if you can think of 500 urinal

33:14

flushing all throughout the night every

33:16

20 minutes half an hour it's a lot of

33:17

water usage a lot of water wastage there

33:19

so we've hooked them up to solenoid

33:22

valves which essentially allow the

33:24

urininals to be controlled through our

33:26

BMS that essentially allows us to turn

33:28

them off when there's no one in the

33:29

building. Turn them off throughout the

33:31

night and ensure they're only flushing

33:33

when when areas are in use or when

33:35

there's there's people actually in the

33:36

in the facility. So, um those smart

33:39

water controls and having having more

33:40

control around your oils, toilets, uh is

33:44

huge when it comes to water savings for

33:46

us. uh staff training and and fan

33:49

awareness programs is a big thing as

33:50

well. Trying to educate people about not

33:53

just how they can save water at the

33:54

stadium, but how they can save water at

33:56

home as well. And just trying to create

33:57

that culture around sustainability and

34:00

water savings as well. We we try and

34:03

train staff not just on water but on

34:05

energy as well um on waste segregation.

34:09

Um yeah, if you can bring bring fans and

34:11

staff on the journey with us, it's half

34:13

the battle as well. We have moisture and

34:15

weather sensors in the pitch. So that

34:16

ensures the pitch is only being watered

34:18

when it needs to be. So rather than

34:20

turning the sprinklers on all day, the

34:23

sensors in the pitch, the weather

34:25

sensors, moisture sensors will activate

34:27

the pitch sprinklers and they'll only

34:28

only water the pitch when it's needed.

34:29

And they they'll turn off then

34:31

automatically as well when the pitch has

34:33

has received um the adequate amount of

34:35

water. So again, it takes that that

34:38

human uh manual control out of it that

34:41

it's all it's all automated based on on

34:43

what it needs. We have a leak detection

34:45

program and regular regular maintenance

34:47

of of our water systems as well. So we

34:50

do regular leak detection um of all our

34:52

systems just to ensure there's there's

34:53

no leaks there. You can you can lose a

34:54

lot of water uh through leaks if it goes

34:57

unnoticed. regular maintenance as well

34:59

is is very important just to ensure all

35:01

your your water equipment and your your

35:03

water infrastructure is is fit for

35:05

purpose and that uh it's not old or or

35:08

brittle or risk of of bursting or or

35:11

causing a leak as well. Uh we have high

35:14

efficiency commercial dishwashers and

35:16

kitchen equipment in all our kitchens.

35:18

As I mentioned, we we've 16 kitchens and

35:20

nine restaurants.

35:22

Um a lot of smaller cafes and quick

35:24

service restaurants that would have

35:25

dishwashers in them. uh ice machines, a

35:27

lot of equipment that would use water.

35:29

So that's all high high efficiency when

35:31

it comes to water and energy. Um and we

35:34

have extensive monitoring and metering.

35:36

And as as Neil mentioned again, you

35:38

can't manage what you don't measure. So

35:41

when it comes to energy, when it comes

35:42

to water, when it comes to waste, we try

35:43

and gather as much data as we can. And

35:45

all our water tanks and probably 90% of

35:48

of anything that uses energy or water in

35:50

the stadium is metered or monitored. So

35:53

we can track that. We can set goals and

35:55

targets and we can do things like um

35:59

detect leaks as well. So this is just an

36:01

overview of what our our water um

36:04

management system looks like. This also

36:07

tracks our our energy usage um as well.

36:10

Our gas usage, electricity and water

36:12

predominantly. So this just a quick

36:14

snapshot of what it looks like. Our 10

36:17

10 water tanks are monitored. You can

36:19

see the dark blue is is the daytime

36:21

usage and the light blue second half of

36:23

the bars there is the is the nighttime

36:25

usage. So again you can see any spikes

36:28

throughout the night or or maybe on

36:29

non-event days in areas where water

36:32

shouldn't be used. It allows you to to

36:36

um manage that aspect of it. You know

36:40

5 10 years ago people were just getting

36:41

their water bills at the end of the

36:42

month and seeing how much water they

36:43

used and then trying to figure out where

36:45

are we using all this water. So this

36:47

gives you real-time snapshot, real-time

36:49

visibility of water usage, where you're

36:51

using it, how much you're using, and

36:53

allows you to, like I mentioned, set

36:55

goals, set targets, set KPIs, enables

36:58

you to benchmark, then from year to

37:00

year, benchmark against other

37:01

facilities.

37:03

Um and ultimately it reduces water use,

37:07

energy use and reduces costs and it

37:09

allows you to track ROI or return on

37:12

investment on water projects and water

37:14

efficiency measures that you've put in

37:16

place as well which is obviously

37:17

important when you're looking to invest

37:19

in water projects that you're able to

37:21

track return on investment. So this

37:22

system here is called Acutrace. I think

37:24

you know Alan uses or certainly used to

37:26

use it at the at the sports campus. Um

37:30

very very useful system. Uh, and it can

37:33

be as as basic or as complex as you want

37:35

it to be. You can start off small with

37:37

this measuring uh just your your high

37:40

usage areas if you want or you can you

37:42

can roll it out over time to to all

37:43

areas of your facility. We started off

37:45

small and like I said, we've got 90% of

37:47

of the stadium covered now. So, we can

37:50

see exactly where where where we're

37:52

using water when we're using it and the

37:54

same with with energy.

37:57

Why do we do it? Um, so we realize water

38:00

is not an infinite resource.

38:02

Um

38:04

it's all about that resource efficiency

38:06

part of sustainability.

38:08

Um environmental and sustainability

38:10

responsibility

38:12

responsibility to be to be mindful of

38:14

the water that we're using um and and to

38:16

put put efficiency measures in place to

38:18

reduce that as much as we can to reduce

38:21

costs obviously is a big driver. Cost of

38:23

water have probably tripled for us over

38:25

the past three or four years. Um, so

38:28

there's a big a big focus on us trying

38:30

to reduce reduce our costs there and the

38:33

true cost of water. Again, as mentioned,

38:35

it's not just the cost of your water

38:37

charges. Um, for example, our cold water

38:40

storage pumps are probably our third

38:42

largest energy user. So, you're talking

38:44

into the the hundreds of thousands of

38:46

euro a year just to pump the water

38:48

around the stadium. The cost of the gas

38:50

then to to heat the water as well. So

38:53

yeah, we probably spend

38:56

three or four times more on energy when

38:59

it comes to our water use than the

39:00

actual cost of the water itself. So it's

39:04

probably the hidden cost that a lot of

39:06

people don't see or don't take into

39:08

account. They just probably look at the

39:10

water bills at the end of the month and

39:11

think that that's what your water is

39:12

causing you. But if you're being more

39:14

efficient with your water, cutting back

39:15

your water use, you're going to save in

39:17

in energy as well across electricity and

39:20

gas. Like I said, cold water storage

39:21

pumps to pump the to pump the water all

39:24

around the different levels of the

39:25

stadium. Um, it's what I think is our

39:28

third largest energy use. So, something

39:30

we need to be more mindful of. Uh,

39:32

regulatory and and compliance drivers

39:34

obviously. Um, our ISO certifications as

39:38

well, they they drill a lot into our

39:40

water use and what we're looking to do

39:41

there to to reduce our our water usage,

39:44

operational resilience and event

39:46

reliability. Our water systems do come

39:48

under a lot of pressure, especially on a

39:49

concert day or an all island final for

39:51

example. We use an awful lot of water,

39:53

probably about 400 cubic meters. Um, on

39:58

a large soldout event day like that. So

40:00

the the water coming into the stadium

40:02

actually doesn't come in fast enough to

40:04

deal with how fast it's it's leaving the

40:06

stadium. So that's something we're

40:08

looking to work with with with Ishka

40:10

Erin. But yeah, trying to manage that

40:12

that really closely on on an event day

40:14

is is is hugely important to doing an

40:17

event running successfully.

40:19

And linked into that is obviously

40:20

reputational benefits. Um

40:24

people are looking looking at us to see

40:25

what we're doing in this area. We have a

40:27

responsibility to

40:30

to be sustainably responsible

40:31

environmentally responsible when it

40:33

comes to our water use, our energy use

40:34

and and sustainability in general.

40:38

Um just to touch on the water

40:40

stewardship program then. So this is

40:41

something we we did or signed up to a

40:44

number of years ago and it's great for

40:46

anyone just starting off in their in

40:47

their water journey who just wants to

40:49

get a a good grasp on where they're

40:51

using water or how their facility

40:54

works when it comes to water. It's a

40:56

really good a good uh program to do. I

40:58

think they run it probably three or four

41:00

times a year. So I'd highly recommend

41:01

signing up to this if anyone hasn't done

41:03

it yet.

41:04

It's led by Ishka Erin and you

41:06

essentially become a certified water

41:07

steward at the end of it. So it builds

41:10

awareness of of water risks and

41:11

challenges. Um it allows you to develop

41:14

a water map for your facility which

41:16

really opens your eyes to to where

41:18

you're using water. Um allows you to

41:21

understand your site's usage and develop

41:22

a monitoring plan, implement solutions

41:25

and build a system of continuous

41:26

improvement. Um, and then there's

41:29

continuous water stewardship embedded

41:31

into the DNA of your facility, of your

41:33

pool, of your of your building, then off

41:35

the back of this. And ultimately, if you

41:37

implement the program correctly, it

41:39

reduces cost and usage. It improves your

41:41

reputation and it protects uh the

41:43

environment. So, it's a really good

41:44

course. There's different levels of the

41:46

course. We've done the advanced uh

41:48

stewardship course, which is for for

41:50

large facilities or large water users.

41:52

So, but they do it from for for

41:55

buildings and and facilities of all

41:57

different sizes. So, I think they did

41:58

one day courses up to six or eight week

42:00

courses. So, uh we we definitely gained

42:03

a lot from it when we did it probably

42:06

three or four years ago. So, I'd highly

42:07

recommend recommend doing that if no

42:10

one's done it yet.

42:12

And yeah, that's that's a whistle stop

42:13

tour. I'm sure um you have a few

42:15

questions um but if you don't, happy to

42:18

to share my contact details for anyone

42:19

to to follow up in the future.

42:21

Yeah. Any questions? Shoot away there.

42:23

I'll be happy to answer them.

42:26

>> Yeah, that's that's a brilliant thing.

42:29

Uh thank you, Colin. Uh thank you for

42:31

sharing the case study. Uh it's amazing

42:33

all the work that you're doing in

42:35

regarding sustainability in Crow Park.

42:38

Um

42:39

so yeah, guys, if you have any

42:41

questions, uh please share in the Q&A

42:45

section. Um

42:48

I just have a question from our end. Um

42:52

Colin, so obviously Crow Park is is a is

42:56

a big stadium and it's a it's a big

42:57

project in terms of sustainability, but

43:00

uh what would your advice be in how

43:04

smaller scale uh grounds or even leisure

43:07

facilities that how can they implement

43:09

those measures uh maybe just to begin

43:11

with in their in terms of their journey?

43:14

Yeah, I think like I mentioned there in

43:15

the last slide definitely to sign up to

43:17

something like the water stewardship

43:18

program through through which they are

43:21

and it's really good starting point just

43:23

to get an understanding I suppose of

43:27

getting just a water map together. How

43:29

many water tanks do I have? Where what

43:30

areas do they serve? Where are we using

43:32

the most water? What quick winds are in

43:35

place? Like the low flush showers, low

43:37

flush taps, uh low flush toilets. Like

43:40

we've reduced our toilets from probably

43:43

flushing 50% to what they used to be,

43:45

you know. So parts of our stadium are

43:48

probably 30 35 years old. So again, they

43:50

weren't built for sustainability back

43:52

then. They were built to serve a

43:54

purpose. And that purpose is no longer

43:56

relevant. So depends on how old your

43:59

facility is, how new it is. Do doing a

44:02

good water audit of your facility

44:03

similar to an energy audit. just seeing

44:05

where you're at, where you're at, and

44:07

where you need to go, and then filling

44:09

out the bit in between of how you're

44:11

going to get there, focusing on the

44:12

quick wins first. Uh, what budget you

44:15

have available, what resources you have

44:17

there, but yeah, the the water

44:19

stewardship program and other resources

44:21

that Ishka Eron have available to them

44:23

is is a good start for sure.

44:26

>> Good. And uh suppose another one I

44:29

suppose was the main drivers in in

44:31

behind the waters initiatives. Was it

44:33

more like the environment environmental

44:36

impact or operational efficiency or just

44:38

a combination of both or

44:41

>> uh yeah combination like like a lot of

44:43

these things started out to reduce cost

44:44

you know back before it was labeled as

44:47

being sustainable. Same with energy. You

44:49

know, people were always trying to cut

44:51

cut cut their energy usage, cut their

44:52

water usage mainly just to to save

44:54

costs. But now, as people are more aware

44:57

of sustainability and conserving

44:59

resources and their carbon footprint, um

45:02

it's not just for for cost reduction.

45:04

It's about resource efficiency and

45:06

conserving resources and reducing the

45:08

carbon footprint as well. So, there's

45:10

probably two or three reasons why we do

45:12

it. like I said a reputation as well and

45:14

to to reduce the risk as well associated

45:17

with some of our events. So like the

45:18

water harvesting project that we

45:20

implemented was largely due to if there

45:22

was ever a drought or a shortage of

45:24

water um that we'd have a backup supply

45:27

there or or a supply there to be able to

45:29

water the pitch and to be able to

45:30

service some some of our I suppose vital

45:33

services if there ever was a drought and

45:34

we'd still be able to run an event or

45:36

still be able to water the pitch and the

45:37

pitch wouldn't wouldn't die or suffer as

45:40

as a result. So there's a resilience

45:42

piece and and the d-risking our

45:44

operations piece there as well. So it's

45:46

it's not just about cost or or

45:48

sustainability. There's there's the risk

45:50

element of it there as well.

45:52

>> Yeah.

45:53

Well, well done for for all the work

45:55

that you're doing in in this in this

45:57

topic and we wish you all the best. Um I

46:00

do encourage uh everyone to go on Crow

46:03

Park um website and go into the stadium

46:07

uh section and they have a a lot of

46:10

variety of again different uh projects

46:12

they've been doing in in this topic. Uh

46:15

and there's a lot of helpful information

46:17

uh for you to to look through. Um so uh

46:21

definitely go and check it out. Uh so

46:24

just before uh we finish we do encourage

46:27

you to stay connected with the ESM

46:29

project. Uh so by uh scanning the QR

46:32

code uh here on the on the slide that

46:36

will send you to the ESM LinkedIn page.

46:39

Um and ESM shares a lot of helpful

46:43

information in regarding um the prog the

46:46

progress that they're doing throughout

46:48

the the project. uh they share learning

46:50

from across Europe and information on on

46:53

any upcoming webinars and they have a

46:56

great newsletter as well linked to uh

46:58

sustainable practices in sport and

47:00

leisure facilities. So be sure to uh go

47:04

on their LinkedIn page to to see

47:06

whatever they are sharing. Uh

47:09

uh and then finally uh that brings us to

47:12

the end of today's webinar. Uh on behalf

47:14

of Ireland Active, Sport Ireland and

47:17

Esmus, I'd like to sincerely thank Neil

47:19

McCabe and Conry for their time and

47:22

valuable insights and thank you all for

47:24

joining us today. Um just again to

47:26

remind you that the webinar has been

47:28

recorded. So we will share uh the

47:31

recording on our YouTube channel. Um

47:34

and if you would like to receive the

47:38

presentations of the two speakers uh

47:40

again get in touch with us and uh we

47:43

will share them with you. Um so that's

47:46

all guys. Uh wish you all uh a very

47:50

happy festive season and we will talk to

47:53

you very soon again.

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