the nvidia 2.0 $100b EXPLOSION
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Well, it's official. Nvidia is expected
now to invest over a hundred billion
dollars directly into OpenAI, and
OpenAI's nonprofit will maintain
control. This is leading a lot of people
to question, wait a minute, is this all
just the circular bubble, or is this
Nvidia doing what they should be doing?
Well, let's take a look at some of the
Nvidia numbers here really quickly, just
so you can understand how a hundred
billion investment into OpenAI looks.
Mind you, a hundred billion dollars into
OpenAI
in order for OpenAI to invest more into
data centers and NVIDIA chips is pretty
circular, right? Nvidia takes profits
and then they could buy back stock,
which they do. They regularly buy back
stock. Their outstanding stock keeps
going down, which is great for existing
shareholders. So then they buy back
stock, but then they use that money
potentially to go make investments that
are strategic by either making promises
to companies like Coreweave or making
investments into companies like OpenAI,
which is then used to go buy more Nvidia
chips. Remember last week we heard that
Oracle plans to spend $70 billion over
the last, you know, 6 months plus 18
months, so that 2-year period. Uh so
over two years they plan to spend $70
billion. They expect that 59%
of that $70 billion will go to Nvidia
chips. Understand for a moment just
those two companies, Oracle spending 59%
of $70 billion, that's $41 billion. Plus
OpenAI call it $und00 billion of
circular money. That's $141 billion.
Okay. Nvidia has revenue of about $46
billion in three months. So we've got
like almost a year of revenue that we
are creating
at Nvidia simply through OpenAI
uh OpenAI 100 bill this is you know
spread out over time obviously we'll
talk details in just a moment uh and
then the Oracle uh 70 * 59% $41 billion
right this is almost one year of revenue
just from those two it shows you the
magnitude
of of how large this open AAI deal is.
And this is why Nvidia stock is
rocketing right now. It's absolutely
taking off because people were going,
"My gosh, Jensen is literally taking
profits
and then getting Nvidia shareholders
exposure to OpenAI,
but whether or not that exposure
matters, they're basically funding the
very purchase of their own continued
revenue. So yes, it is circular. At some
point, it is very bubbly. But what you
find is people are making these
investments because of this belief that
artificial intelligence will continue to
be integrated into our lives in sort of
a an irreplaceable manner that it just
becomes so core to what we do. And when
we look at companies in the United
States, they're so much more primed to
adopt AI than in other countries around
the world. Why? And signal we have more
money. I mean, understand this for a
moment. China buys some AI chips, but
they only buy 10% of the world's
artificial intelligence chips. It's not
because they don't want AI. In my
opinion, it's because they don't have
rich people and rich companies. Like,
how many Chinese can blow 200 bucks a
month on a CH GPT Pro subscription
compared to how many Americans can do it
and not even notice a difference in in
their standard of living. The same is
true for Chinese companies versus
American companies. You have China that
just went through a terrible real estate
recession because of the bubble that the
the Chinese government popped up and
then they rugpulled uh their Chinese
real estate investors by changing the
very debt and leverage rules that they
were encouraging their builders to
undertake. This makes for a very hard
environment to do business in China.
This
is selling rich products to rich people.
the new iPhone uh you know with the
promise of oh we'll finally have some
more AI which is the same thing they
promised last year people buy it hook
line I do too I got it right here I got
the new watch I got the new like I get
it like we have we have cash and we're
like look even if it's incremental we
want a little bit more battery we want a
little bit more comput power we want
that artificial intelligence and I get
it more so now than ever before why why
do I understand that first of all it's a
big deal that Oracle and open AI. Just
those two things, this doesn't even
include Meta. This doesn't even include
Microsoft, mind you. They're spending
tens of billions of dollars on
artificial intelligence. Meta has a $20
billion deal in talks right now with
Oracle. And on top of that, OpenAI wants
to spend another hundred billion on
backup servers,
you know, to sustain sort of their
ability to provide uptime uptime.
Microsoft just last week committing
another $4 billion to another data
center in Wisconsin plus another 3.3 in
Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin uh coming
online later this year. Right? These
these are huge capital investments. Why
uh does this how should I phrase it? Why
is this all such a big deal for Nvidia's
numbers here? Because remember Nvidia
every quarter starts at zero. So you
need this continued willingness of
companies to keep throwing money at
Nvidia
and that's how you get Nvidia stock
continuing to show EPS growth. If you
look at Nvidia's EPS growth at just 20%
over the next call it four years on
average. They're only trading for a two
peg right now. Realistically Nvidia is
probably a $240 stock by year end. I
really shouldn't give away these things
from our alpha reports. Uh it's part of
our me Kevin membership. Sometimes that
just leaks out from me. But uh you know
I've got a big price target for Nvidia
by the end of the year and we've had it
for for weeks now in the course member
live stream. And look freaking rocket
ship right now. So you're not part of
the Meet Kevin membership yet. I guess
there's a a pitch to go check it out.
But uh understand that the American
consumer is willing to blow money on
just incremental increases in
productivity. And I get it. And the
reason I was going to say I get it is
because what we're doing right now and
this isn't supposed to be a pitch for
house hack but I want you to see the
relatability
when we're running models previously on
old generation Nvidia chips for house
hack we're looking at like 8h hour to
3day training time frames to get certain
MLS like smaller MLS that we're running
because we we have many different
segments we have we have many different
MLS that we run for our real estate AI
which We plan to start beta testing in
Q4 with course members uh and then we'll
probably expand to some kind of public
sale for real estate AI in Q1. We have
many MLS that go into that. Our compute
speed 5xed when we installed Blackwell
chips. So, we're like, "Oh my gosh, if
we're going to spend, you know, x,000 a
month on labor for research and
development on artificial intelligence,
why not spend that same amount on labor,
but get five times the output when the
chips are operating faster?" So, yeah,
how has has Blackwell chips and and we
actually think we're we might be turning
into more of an AI play than even real
estate. We're real estate backed. It's
obviously all real estate. Like we're
still like our company stock sells uh
you know the the fund raise we're doing
right now is just assuming a real estate
valuation. So assume this is not an AI
sales pitch because I'm not selling you
some AI valuation. I'm not selling you
any is like don't don't go invest in
house. I just think the shares are too
cheap. Uh one day we'll raise the
valuation maybe you know when we
actually start proving our our AI in
sales to people. But but you know then
the valuation could could 100x or a
thousandx if if it works out well. But
my point is for bringing this up as a
CEO not to make you know projections or
bullishness about house hack. I'm very
bullish about that. You know that. But
it's to show you that just like you and
I will buy the new watch to get that
extra battery life for a little bit more
speed because we could get that email
out faster. We could get, you know,
multiple tasks running at the same time
without the phone black screening and
pinwilling. I got that so much on the
iPhone 16. It was driving me nuts. Just
like we'll pay for that extra 15% A19
processing on our iPhone, you know, 17,
companies benefit massively from picking
up that latest iteration of a chip. So,
like if next year, for example, the
Blackwell chips we have right now,
we could get another 30% efficiency by
buying the next generation chip next
year, we'll probably do that because
we're getting so much more productivity
out of our labor in doing so. And so,
that's what keeps this flywheel going
right now is the actual results of
what's coming out with with that with AI
productivity is is good. At least, you
know, for our purposes, what we're
seeing, we know there are a lot of
companies that are just like chat GPT
rappers out there, and even they are
getting great valuations. I mean, look
at this. There's uh Meta spent $14
billion buying a data labeling company
that tells you if something's a highway
or not. Like, big deal. $14 billion for
that kind of data labeling company.
We're labeling, you know, interiors and
exteriors of of real estate in different
rooms and components of real estate.
Yeah. And it's like, wow, the valuation
of somebody's life highways and they're
worth $14 billion. I think it was scale
AI. That's crazy. So, the valuations are
crazy. And there are some things that I
feel like, you know, some of these chat
GPT rappers, like I think Nvidia just
invested $900 billion poaching the CEO
of some chat GPT rapper. Basically, it's
$900 million. It's insane some of these
valuations. And I agree that a lot of
these companies, just like MIT said, are
not profitable companies. And there is a
lot of froth and it's a bubble. It's a
cycle. We know that. We know there's
going to be overinvestment. But for
right now, these circular investments
from Nvidia, they keep it going, but
there's also there's so much hope in why
it makes sense to keep spending on these
chips. So like, as much as I want to
look at it and go, it's a bubble, it it
is to some extent. On the other hand, I
also as a recipient of the AI chips look
and go, "Oh my gosh, but the chips are
better. They are good. It's like they
make sense. The upgrade cycle makes
sense." And the one thing that Nvidia
probably doesn't have priced into it
right now is people are the people who
are not investing in video are worried
that Nvidia always starts at zero.
People are not pricing in an Nvidia
upgrade cycle that happens at an annual
cadence. This is what Jensen started
trying to tell us about 6 months ago
that don't think about this as starting
at zero every time. Think about
companies saying no no no we want that
extra 20% step improvement just like you
get that with that iPhone every year
that extra 20% battery life and
efficiency. The same thing with chips
and you can still make use of the old
ones. This is what's so valuable here in
Nvidia. And Nvidia, mind you, with this
OpenAI partnership,
uh, is only committing to make the
investment of hundred billion in
portions as they invest in the
deployment of gigawatt systems with
OpenAI. So, let me rephrase that. The
strategic partnership is deploying 10
gawatt of Nvidia systems over the next
period of time. Nvidia is only going to
invest 10% when the first 10% or the
first gigawatt is deployed. So they're
basically doing for every gigawatt,
you'll unlock 1% of an investment for
us. So we'll basically give you $10
billion to go build a $10 billion
gigawatt facility and then we'll invest
$10 billion into your company, right?
And and then that is being used to go
buy more Nvidia chips. Jensen is the
most brilliant circular kind of
salesperson here because he's doing
exactly what you should be doing. You
should be going to these companies doing
whatever you can right now to keep the
cycle going. And frankly as much like a
Ponzi implies that there's no underlying
benefit
and I get that cuz it's circular
but again at house hack I see that
underlying benefit firsthand and I get
it as a consumer with AI products. Plus
we also have to conf consider remember
how artificial intelligence products are
getting more and more integrated into
our daily lives. People forget that
Nvidia is also an FSD play. You know,
it's a robo taxi play with their Nvidia
drive platform. I can't remember if
they're on Thor or Our right now, but
VADA infrastructure for coding plus
Nvidia infrastructure for basically
creating a product that any vehicle
company can license. Anyone can license
whether it's Neo, whether it's Mercedes
or whatever, any of these companies can
license Nvidia's AI platform to create
FSD and to start catching up to Tesla.
You know, they all have a lot of
catching up to do, but it's beyond that.
We create more and more AI purposes on a
daily basis with these products. I know
people like they they make fun of the AI
goss, oh, I don't want Mark Zuckerberg
in my living room or or whatever. Uh,
and I get it. But the more we have these
AI potential enabled products, which the
AI on this is absolute trash right now,
okay, trust me, it's like totally trash.
But it'll get there. And the more we get
to where we're looking at, wow, okay,
yeah, smart glasses or smart rings or
cars or laptops, PCs, whatever, all
integrate inherently AI, the more demand
there is for these AI chips. I mean, I
think it's incredible that I could have
that firsthand experience of of sitting
and playing with my kids uh and not have
to worry about holding a camera to film
my kids, right? And I've got the
opportunity to film them with these very
glasses I'm wearing. So, I like before I
go play with my kids, I put the glasses
on on purpose and there's no
distraction. Like they don't feel like
like here I got a child on me, you know,
playing with my watch. That's all she
wants to do is play with my watch while
at the same time there's chaos over
here. Like these are the things that in
the future AI just edits together for
us. Like who actually goes through
uh their you know old footage of of you
know things that they filmed or captured
with their iPhones or or their glasses
or you know whatever which the more we
film with glasses the more there is to
edit, right? Who goes through all that
stuff? Nobody goes through all that
stuff. Like most people aren't video
editors who are going to go through all
of this, right? Uh but what's crazy is
over time, the editing will all be
outsourced to automatic insights
provided by artificial intelligence. And
a lot of that is just going to be driven
on these AI data centers, whether
they're Nvidia or OpenAI or whatever.
I'll give you an example. When I went to
Japan, you've all heard I went to Japan.
News. When I went to Japan, I uh I had a
360 camera while I went on a ride with
uh the kiddos. And I go on this ride and
AI, you can follow me on Twitter if you
haven't seen it yet, real meet Kevin. It
was super hot, so I'm sorry. I'm like
barely wearing clothing here. But the
point is this whole video that you see
is AI. Well, like the footage is 360°
footage that I filmed by holding the
little stick, right? But AI edited this
entire 32 second clip. All of the
angles, the color grading, the scenes,
all of it. AI. Watch this. I'm going to
play this for 32 seconds here. I like I
go point at something and then it's it's
videoing it. comes back to Max, Lauren,
Jack, myself.
All this people waving at the character
over here, the scene cuts, what to cut
out, what to keep this zoom in right
here. Dude, that was all AI. I didn't
tell it to do that. Picking up this
scene over here and this ride or this
ride. This all AI edited. I did nothing
other than film it. And so in the
future, you know, we're just gonna have
the like as which is already here. We're
filming it all on our on our phones or,
you know, whatever our glasses or
whatever, which I guess is the perfect
spot to put up my Meta uh, you know,
affiliate code. You get $30 off if you
get the Meta Glasses, you know, and all
it gets AI edited in the future. We're
actually creating more demand. that
might not be profitable right now for a
lot of these companies, but it's it's so
functional uh for as a consumer or as a
user. I couldn't be more excited about
this kind of stuff. I just flip it
through. Oh, by the way, shout out to uh
the Cybert truck. By the way, yesterday
I took this picture with my meta
glasses, by the way. Yesterday I um I
took the Cybertruck to Lowe's a few
times and I had to get this 12T 2 by6 on
my on uh in the car back home. Uh, and
so I ended up using uh the Cybert trucks
rack that I added on top and just bungee
corded it on it. I think it looks pretty
good. The black on black. Uh, I think it
looks awesome. So, I was really excited
about the functionality there of the
Cyber Truck. But, but anyway, the point
is this is what we're seeing with this
AI boom right now. Now, let's listen for
a moment to to what we're seeing the
Coreweave CEO say. He had an interview
on CNBC this morning with Sarah Eisen
and uh you know quick note also on
Nvidia because you know me and the
balance sheet
>> Kevin is much more interested than most
people by the way in the balance sheet.
>> Uh I am a big big big big big big fan of
the balance sheet. There's nothing to
complain about at Nvidia. It is so damn
good. They have so much money. So it
doesn't even matter that they're
investing 100 bill into OpenAI. The 100
billion to open AAI is a rounding error
basically for Nvidia because they're
their profit margins are so high.
They're bringing more than 50% to the
bottom line. It's it's just it's insane.
It's it's incredible. Now, what matters
heavily uh is that
when we look at
cash flows from Nvidia, we have to ask
what is the money being spent on? If
they're just issuing it all out as
dividends, goes back to investors.
Great. That's fantastic.
But does it keep the cycle going? Maybe
not.
On the flip side, if people want to sell
some of their stock, they can. But what
are we getting out of Nvidia? Nvidia is
saying, "Hey, hundred billion into
OpenAI, not taking a controlling
interest. Open AAI worth $500 billion
right now. That's like one of the
company. Nvidia is paying 38 times sales
for this. So they're not getting a
discount on uh OpenAI as far as we're
aware and you know there are concerns
like SoftBank promises to invest $500
billion over four years yet they're
laying off people in their venture fund.
So that's sort of like all right you
know what's actually going on. I don't
know but I at the same time which has
been killing it since we've been
venturing it on the channel 23,000 AI
chips now and they say they have
capacity for 60,000
black wheel chips. The more I Ren stock
goes up, guess what? The more money they
have available to go buy more Nvidia
chips. So
circular in nature without a doubt. Does
it make money? Yes. So here's Nvidia,
you know, now at 183. But look at Iron
for example. Iron's up 7% today. So a
lot of these companies, let's look at uh
Coreweave. Core is up 5% right now.
Look, breaking above the 125 line. A
critical line. This line has been so
critical. We've been we've been playing
this and setting up alpha report trades
on this on almost a daily basis. It
feels like it feels like maybe probably
like twice a week we talk about four
weeks and we're like that 125 line. Look
this morning we reject it again. We
bounce on it again. Now we're breaking
out over it probably because of this
Nvidia deal. But let's listen to the
core weave CEO and let's listen to see
what comments he has and we'll add our
own commentary.
>> Good to have you here. Fine. Well done.
So, so we were in these talks sort of on
the sidelines of the UN General Assembly
about how governments can work with
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>> You also just fresh off of this trip
with President Trump to the UK
announcing all these deals.
>> All right, get to it. I want to hear the
comments. Here we go.
>> Thank you for having me. And I I do
think that uh both of these nibbings uh
really highlight um the realization that
when you're u building a planetary scale
infrastructure that's really required to
allow artificial intelligence to to to
to reach its potential that you are
going to have to plug into really all of
the resources uh that are available and
those are private sector resources uh
and those are public sector resources.
the the uh the meeting yesterday, the P3
meeting. Um it was a wonderful
opportunity for exchanging of ideas. Uh
the opportunity to be with the uh the
president and the prime minister in the
UK. Once again, uh just an incredible uh
opportunity to kind of uh bring together
different constituents uh that have
different tooling that allows for
the mobiliz Oh, Meta killed the $30 off
from Oh, Dude, that's lame. Are you
serious? Hold on. Let me see if there's
a new one. Why would they kill it? It
was It was doing so well. So many people
were getting it. Hold on. Let me see if
I can get you a new one. I I'll I'll
look right now if I can get a new one.
Uh while we listen to this, okay, I'll
try to get a new one. Uh give me, you
know, 30 seconds to sort of figure it
out.
Uh of the order of the magnitude of
capital that's required to allow this uh
uh buildout to occur.
>> What what is that? How big are we? So,
so I I think a big uh one of the things,
one of the narratives out there is that
keeping these incredibly large deals
being announced by uh uh um the the the
AI labs by by the hyperscalers uh by uh
the Neo clouds and you know incredible
uh indication of the scaling.
>> Uh no, there's a limit to how much you
can get on a referral so you have to ask
for somebody else. Damn, Beta you guys
are so dumb. I show you guys on a daily
basis and now you screw up the link
because like I don't have like a contact
at Meta, you know? I This was just from
the app and it's like, "Oh, you've maxed
out your referrals." It's kind of like
with Tesla, like my Tesla referral link,
it's maxed out. And I'm like, you guys
are so dumb
>> the demand. But what it does not do is
it doesn't really speak to all of the
things that need to happen and all the
investment that needs to occur in order
to uh provide an environment where these
investments in the data centers and the
supercomputers and and I'm talking about
this. So far he said nothing. This is so
damn s like say something already
person. It's everything from energy
exploration uh exploration
uh through um uh you know uh power
generation through
>> okay we know we know all this so
somebody here is complaining about the
coupon code the thing okay look really
quickly yes the coupon code expires but
the thing is the price goes up so that's
the whole point it's like we lock people
in at lower prices and then that way if
you got the knee Kevin heaven membership
for, you know, $400 effectively, you
know, in 2017, you know, uh, and now
it's $1,400 or whatever. Like in the
future it'll be even more. That That's
why. So, like when you hear, oh,
expiration or whatever, the price just
goes up
uh transmission uh all the way through
the data centers and ultimately up and
through the supercomputers to the to the
to the to the models and to the
application layers. And so, um,
>> okay, get to the point. It's it's
trillions of dollars and and you really
are rebuilding one of the fundamental uh
u um components of what the economy I'm
surprised this interview so far not a
lot of substance
like okay we've heard before yeah
trillion dollars redo everything I get
it like I'm about to turn this guy off
although they do have that MSA with
Nvidia you got to give them credit they
have the material service agreement with
Nvidia
and that material service agreement the
details of which we expect to get on
November 12th are going to be huge
because it's basically Nvidia's you know
conf like Nvidia's claim that they will
buy back excess data set or capacity and
that's big you know that basically
shifts the bag holding from coreweave to
Nvidia or generation is different than
what we saw in the docom the dotcom was
a bolt-on to the existing infrastructure
this requires really a a a new layer
because you're talking about a step
function and power consumption because
the computer powerful. Um the the uh um
you know it is a debate that goes on in
many circles like is this as as the
represents on the same order of
magnitude greater or lesser than uh you
know the advent of the internet and and
and
I believe that you know over the long
term you don't get to put these things
in in a pecking order. All you get to
say is this will be one of the seinal
technology buildouts and one of the
seinal technologies of our future.
That's why it was so interesting to
listen to the president address Jensen
in that room and say I hope you're right
because the commitment to get it made is
much different than it was in in the
'90s.
He so far has said nothing. This is a
waste of time.
Somebody says, "Yeah, getting Kevin's
course. One of the best decisions I
could have made a few years back. Very
proud to be in the group." Oh, thank you
for that. Yeah, it's interesting. You
know, the um what's it called? Uh
there's somebody else who g who donated
$20 or just going like, "Oh, you know,
basically, you know, been a course
member since 2021. Great decision. That
was really nice.
>> I I think um you know, there there's
there's a another narrative out there is
like, are we in a bubble?" And that's
that's that's come up again and again.
And then I'm sure if I you know kind of
sat here long enough you guys would ask
and and given the sums we're talking
about it's not an unrealistic question
to ask because is that capital going to
actually sign. So so one of the things
that's incredibly important to
understand here is that
the overwhelming majority of the compute
that's being built right now is being
built to serve inference.
Inference represents the monetization of
artificial intelligence. It is I don't
know. Okay. There's training and there's
inference. We get it. Inference, he
says, represents the monetization of AI.
Do I agree with that? I guess so.
Because like for example, with House
Act, we're doing all this training. Uh
we don't we can't monetize training. We
can only monetize inference. you know,
when somebody like what we want is we
want you to be able to open our software
and me tell you if a property you're
looking at is a good deal or not. And I
think that lets us charge money that
that creates value for people, right?
And when you create value for people,
you could charge money. So I guess he's
right. Inference is the monetization
component. Okay. All right. All right.
All right. because
the hyperscalers that are serving
clients are being paid to build this
infrastructure to serve their current
demand and their projection of demand.
And so just because a lot of money flows
into a particular portion of the economy
doesn't imply that it's a bubble. What
it is implying is that there is
tremendous broad-based demand across the
technology space as the society. I mean,
yes, I agree that right now there is
broad-based demand and and it just keeps
getting fueled. So, there's no sign of
it hopping, so to speak. This is true.
As the uh enterprise businesses begin to
integrate that into their uh uh
workflows and it's just, you know, I I I
think that everybody jumps to the
concept of is this a bubble? Um because
they they just see these vast sums and
they're like, "Oh, it must be a bubble."
And I just think you got back to why is
the money flowing there and is it being
supported by commercial activity,
>> right? Well, I don't know that we all do
that and in part I mean the companies
that are deploying this C. Okay. All
right. I I mean like you know not a lot
of substance in that CNBC interview have
to say I think CNBC did a bad job on
that but that's okay. It's CNBC so take
it for what it's worth. Uh but
I think his his point of view is right
on that inference is the monetization
cycle. Now the biggest argument that
people have especially like MIT is that
so much money is being invested in AI
but so so little is coming out of it.
Does it just take more time? Maybe you
know that so so we'll see. uh can can AI
be productive enough to uh to to
actually be monetizable uh you know more
so than than the investments that are
being made to where you're actually
getting a return on your investment
rather than even just some portion of a
return of your investment. We'll see.
But broadly, I think this is useful
because you have to remember that Nvidia
right now is only trading for I mean
barely a two peg, barely a two peg on
this stock. And
to me, uh, a company with these margins
and the size of the pricing power they
have, here's Weeble again, bow transfer
2%.
Meet Dear Weeble. uh they are
they're not fully valued on just a basic
PEG ratio basis.
So we'll see that's my take on what's
going on with Nvidia knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes. Congratulations, man.
You have done so much. People love you.
People look up to you.
>> Kevin Pra there, financial analyst and
YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great to
get your take.
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