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Tesla is Fighting its Own Death

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these findings suggest that there were

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some certain scenarios where the car

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might act in a way where the driver

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couldn't take over fast enough to avoid

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a crash or potentially break the law so

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uh you know fixing this and the software

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a lot easier than say having to bring it

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into a car dealership like a Chevy would

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do and have to change mechanical things

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have to put in new equipment or

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something like that so you know kind of

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in short a little kind of a win for

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Tesla because it doesn't have to turn

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the system off it doesn't have to do any

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mechanical changes but a black eye

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because of the system's defaults

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what what has Tesla said about the

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defaults they agree with the

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government's assessment of it

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well they would disagree uh they pushed

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back on the government that with the

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government's findings but went forward

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with the voluntary recall here it which

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is often the case uh in these things

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when the Nitsa is going to do this it's

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either do a voluntary or it can become

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much more messy down the road so you

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know going back to Tesla traditionally

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says that these systems are safer than

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what the human can do uh is that's you

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know maybe perhaps in debate sometimes

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we don't understand where their data is

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coming from but it gets to kind of the

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core of these systems are they about

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safety or are they about convenience the

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criticism continues to be about Tesla

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and other systems like it is that the

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driver thinks the system can do more

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than it is it is not fully self-driving

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the robot is not in control the driver

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needs to be in control needs to take

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back that wheel needs to to be engaged

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in the driving scenario and oftentimes

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they get lulled into thinking the car is

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doing more than it actually is yeah I

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mean he's not he's not actually wrong

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about that you have that same kind of

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issue in aviation where you get lulled

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into the idea that ah autonomy is taking

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everything over or you don't have to

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concentrate on anything the good news is

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a lot of us using the autonomy

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technology today realize in Tesla's uh

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oh we're coming up on uh you know

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potentially a dicey intersection or an

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area where I want to pay attention a

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little bit more and sort of activate

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your your awareness and take over

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earlier uh and and yeah look there's

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absolutely this argument to be made that

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if you rely too much on autonomy all of

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a sudden your skills start waning and

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you're not actually able to respond

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appropriately in situations where it's

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necessary to take over from autonomy but

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what's wild and why Tesla's actually

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getting all this crazy coverage right

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now I mean they're still talking about

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it right here on CNBC what's wild about

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this is apparently there was this recall

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that was issued and it's literally just

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a software update but people are

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freaking out over this there's so much

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press going on over this and I think

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it's remark workable in fact take a look

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at this I got this text message

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yesterday

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it's Friday which means the flash sale

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Ends Tonight check it out a link down

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below it says hey you might have heard

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this already but it's on channel 7 world

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news that Tesla is recalling 360

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000 Vehicles because of the self-driving

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feature potentially leading to accidents

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just a heads up and I wrote terrible

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recall that requires a horribly

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intensive automatic software update at

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night

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it's like it's true it's like look you

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don't have to take the darn thing in

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anymore when I had a Toyota Prius and I

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had to take the sucker in for service

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not a pain in the butt yeah take the car

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in after you set an appointment because

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now they want you to have an appointment

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then you go drop it off and you have to

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wait in line to talk to the person of

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course when you go want to just drop off

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the damn Keys you can't do that because

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then they want to try to sell you

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because that's how dealerships make

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money they gotta sell you as much

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freaking service that you don't need as

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possible everything needs service every

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time you go in there's something they

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gotta sell you on there's always

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something they have to sell you on and

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and you're a loser is at least the

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impression if you don't at least do some

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of it because hey you know we've got

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this whole list of things that are wrong

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with your car but you know why don't we

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just chip away at it and maybe do like a

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quarter of it now and we'll save another

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quarter for next time so that way you

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don't feel like a loser you're still

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spending probably a quarter or more than

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you should have spent which should have

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been zero right like the old school

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dealership model is just trash it's so

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annoying it's so inconvenient uh and

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then you gotta pick the darn thing up

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and then how are you gonna get back sure

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you Uber but then it's a pain in the

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butt because you gotta wait 20 minutes

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for the Uber and you're wasting so much

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time out of your day to bring a car to a

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dealership and then go back and get it

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or you're also wasting somebody else's

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time if they're driving you to drop you

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off which then it's even more ridiculous

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because now you're wasting two people's

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time

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terrible terrible economic efficient on

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inefficiency and so you have all of

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these sort of like in my opinion I'm

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just gonna call I'm gonna call it what

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it probably is uh traditional Boomers

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who don't know much about software or

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have any care to learn uh about anything

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Elon Musk touches and so the thesis is

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oh man oh the headlines say recall there

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we go we always knew the new stuff was

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bad yeah just can't innovate can't can't

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have good things no recalls that's right

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yep Tesla getting screwed again it's

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it's almost like people get happiness

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out it's like I think it's like a a

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schadenfoid a a psychology of of Tesla

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it's like like the the old guards kind

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of like

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Elon losing again another recall for the

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Teslas oh it's just like so stupid and

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annoying uh it just drives me nuts but

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ironically what's happening now is you

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have this ironic Network effect where

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the Tesla people are like you're the

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idiot who has to take your car into

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service whereas we just press update on

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the car uh and in a weird way it

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actually has this like in my opinion

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positive marketing effect so even though

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initially it's like it seems like all

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this negative press I really think for

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Tesla the argument of no press is bad

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press is great I mean Tesla doesn't have

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an advertising Department because they

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don't need it as soon as there's a

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software update everybody freaks out

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calling it a recall and then what

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happens

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The Defenders of Tesla are like dude

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it's a software update and then people

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that

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okay well I still hate Elon

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it's like just so ridiculous uh but but

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that's just what's out there meanwhile

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the model Y is sold out for q1 it's the

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first time these suckers have been sold

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out uh you know into for about six

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months which is fantastic now the model

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y sold out they raised the price twice

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over just the last uh six weeks here

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after their initial price reductions and

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now you also have Tesla having to

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respond to allegations about them uh

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firing people who uh uh you know wanted

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to form a union in Buffalo New York now

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let's be real and this is this is just

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uh you know sort of the thesis here this

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is like the quiet part that probably

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shouldn't be spoken out loud let's be

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real Tesla doesn't want unions okay most

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most modern companies generally don't

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want unions because ultimately you're

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trying to automate away your labor

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anyway okay like that's the long-term

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goal right I mean think about it during

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the pandemic did we really need 5 000

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Math teachers teaching calculus on Zoom

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or did we really need one math teacher

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teaching calculus on zoom and then 499

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sort of helpers to help grade papers or

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whatever right like you put the best

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teacher on Zoom they teach it and

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everybody else you know sort of helps

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and and tutors as necessary rather than

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five thousand different people trying to

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put together a zoom lecture plan right

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so that is innovation that probably you

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should be seeing in education but of

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course that means a lot of people lose

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their jobs and so that's bad because

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people don't want to lose their jobs

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because then they have to learn

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something new and that's very difficult

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to do especially when you're in a Groove

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and you're in a habit and and I mean

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it's hard to to change with the times

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right and and I mean nobody wants to see

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their job get replaced that's the

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reality of it so unions help protect

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labor from getting replaced I kind of

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think about it like the Industrial

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Revolution the luddites it's like oh

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we've got uh we've got machines coming

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in to sort our cotton hell no let's go

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in and destroy the machines at night uh

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and and so you've got luddites

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destroying machines during the

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Industrial Revolution because goodness

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gracious what are we gonna do if we

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don't have the manual necessity to to

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actually separate the seeds from the

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cotton why would why would we let

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machines do that they're gonna bankrupt

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us all and we'll be broke and we'll have

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to learn to do something else of course

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the goal is with Innovation you now have

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the ability to get another job that

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potentially pays you more money with

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less time so for example if you're

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making thirty thousand dollars a year

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and then all of a sudden you turn around

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and you realize wait a minute I could do

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some quality assurance work in a tech

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job and make twice as much money with

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half as much time well now I got more

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now I got more money and I got more time

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to do something else right so innovation

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in a necessary way kind of forces you

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for a moment to go through a little bit

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of hardship it but then you end up

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better you end up working less and you

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end up making more money but unions of

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course and this isn't just straight a

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bag on unions but let's be clear about

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the incentive of a union the incentive

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of a union is to survive and if the goal

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of the Union is to survive then it

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survives more when it has more union

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members the last thing a union wants is

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Less union members because then you have

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less union dues and you have less power

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but if union members are getting

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replaced by robots at Tesla

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then the Union's obviously going to be

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pissed about the robots it's just like

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the luddites during the Industrial

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Revolution but then what happens when

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the Tesla sort of sees that writing on

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the wall or corporations see that

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writing on the wall and they're like

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well let's automate as quickly as

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possible so that we can replace labor

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before we can't replace labor anymore

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because the unions have vesting and

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mandatory employment and and non-fire

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requirements uh you know pensions and

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all these liabilities that essentially

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make companies unable to innovate again

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in the future I mean think about like

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how do you how do you take a legacy

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company with massive pension liabilities

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like Ford or GM and turn them into an

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efficient new Innovative company you

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generally can't those companies have to

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die out if they have unfunded pension

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liabilities then the people end up

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getting screwed anyway out of their

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pensions I mean obviously their

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insurance programs and things like that

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in a place to sort of prevent the

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defaulting on pensions because those

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pension contracts are important but

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ultimately it comes down to the the

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company's guarantee because if the

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company goes bankrupt you got big

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problems but anyway long and short of it

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is you have

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a society where the the newest breed of

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companies dare I say are relatively

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anti-union and one of the reasons they

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in my opinion are anti-union is because

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they realize in order to stay Innovative

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they have to be able to have Labor

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flexibility in other words they have to

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be able to kill the need for labor

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because labor is uh I mean very

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expensive let's just put it that way so

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anyway these uh labelers in New York uh

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were starting to work with a manager of

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a Starbucks who helped organize the

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Starbucks Union effort and that

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Starbucks Union person essentially

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motivated somewhere around 25 people

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potentially more to put together a

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letter and send it to Elon Musk

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demanding that Tesla recognized their

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right to form a union now employers have

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a choice to recognize a union unless the

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majority of you members of that company

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uh more than 50 percent basically vote

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for the union then the company is forced

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to recognize the union so in the

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meantime while a company is not forced

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to recognize the Union what happens is

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you end up getting this uh this this

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place where a lot of companies don't

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want to uh and so what ended up

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happening is after roughly about 25

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people happened to file a ladder saying

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roses are red violets are blue unions

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start with you which was also where in

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the last time I pitched the fact that

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today is February 17th with him there's

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a coupon code expiring at 11 59 PM

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actually it's a flash sale it's not a

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coupon expiring tonight at 11 59 PM for

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the programs on building your wealth or

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the shadowing experience that's linked

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down below but anyway uh after they sent

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that within a day of sending that letter

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on Valentine's Day 25 of them got fired

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25 26 of them got fired now a day after

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that which is last night Tesla responded

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with in response to false allegations uh

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and then so Tesla now is arguing there's

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a false allegation that Tesla terminated

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employees in response to new a new Union

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campaign these are the facts behind the

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event and let's just make it clear okay

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Tesla is not going to come out and point

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blank say yeah we don't want unions but

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I think I've just made the case that

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pretty much companies don't want Unions

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that's that that's obvious that should

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be very very obvious and so anyway Tesla

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as sort of a cya because you kind of

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have to do this what do they do you know

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and of course I don't know all the

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details so this is my opinion I could be

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wrong but let's just be clear I mean

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Tesla is talking about how they conduct

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performance reviews and just

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conveniently uh you know the the

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conveniently four percent roughly four

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percent wait four percent that's a

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little bit more than I thought there

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were about 650 labor oh no that is about

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right yeah that's 26 employees okay

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approximately four percent of the

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employees on the autopilot labeling team

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in Buffalo New York which by the way I

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guess the minimum wage for that is like

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19 bucks an hour and you're literally

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just pushing a button like yes no yes no

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like labeling what the aics is is not

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you know it's not that difficult uh and

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so I wish I made 19 an hour when I was

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you know 18 years old or 16 years old

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making smoothies of Jamba Juice or

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folding clothes that Hollister that

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people would just walk in and steal uh

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at you know 16 and making seven dollars

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an hour but whatever anyway so

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approximately four percent of the

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employees on the autopilot labeling team

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in Buffalo were exited as a result of

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this performance review cycle the

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employees let go so as part of this

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process received prior feedback on their

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poor performance so it's kind of

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interesting if that's true then it's

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really convenient that basically the

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people who are trying to unionize may

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have also been the poor performers which

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then it kind of makes you wonder are

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poor performers people who want to

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unionize or do people want to unionize

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and Tesla's just saying they happen to

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be performers it's kind of like a

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chicken or egg problem and and I'm

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curious to know what your opinion is so

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leave me a comment on that but

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uh Tesla makes the argument despite

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feedback they did not demonstrate

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sufficient Improvement and as a result

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before we even knew about this Union uh

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unionizing effort that was happening we

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basically fired 26 people uh uh or or

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warned them that hey their performance

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wasn't up to par and then after the

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union effort the timing just happened to

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be very coincidental that we just

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happened to fire everyone involved in

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the effort right after the union effort

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uh began so it really really convenient

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for Tesla you know maybe maybe what a

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company should do is just tell everyone

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that their performance needs to step up

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so that way if at any point they decide

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to unionize you could just say well yeah

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you're fired and we're not you're not

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fired because you're forming you're

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fired because we told you to get better

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and you didn't get better yeah well you

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tell everyone to get better I mean I

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don't know right I'm just

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look whatever it is I don't think I

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think legal battles whatever legal

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battles take years before you see a

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union at Tesla it probably will be 2028

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or or on uh and and by then you then

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start scratching your head like okay are

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we getting to a top of a growth cycle do

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you potentially then spin off divisions

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within Tesla to protect it from

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unionization by spinning off like the

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robot division from I you know I don't

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know uh the the robo taxi division

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whatever do you start spitting these

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segments off to sort of insulate them

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from unionization who knows there are

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plenty of corporate tricks that happen

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but uh yeah it's awfully convenient that

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um that these folks happen to be exited

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which is such a like a fascinating word

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by the way like oh yeah we we don't fire

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employees we exit them

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uh anyway look

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bottom line is generally uh yeah and

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this is you know opinion here obviously

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but there's plenty of research also

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supporting this

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but generally the impression is that

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unionization hurts Innovation that

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doesn't mean unions are bad obviously

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it's important that employees are paid

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appropriately for the value they're

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providing I think where unionization

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becomes problematic is when you end up

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seeing uh disruptive unionization like

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what you're seeing in the United Kingdom

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where you have either teachers unions or

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Pilot unions or whatever striking and

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creating more Supply and chain

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nightmares especially in Industries

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where there's always already already

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very nominal profit the airlines are

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losing money hand over fast they're

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highly indebted they're basically on the

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brink of either mergers or collapse uh

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because they they have a very hard time

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actually surviving thanks to all of what

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the labor costs in fact you have a lot

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of Institutions today saying stay away

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from high labor highly labor-intensive

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businesses because well there's more

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risk the more labor you have the more

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risk there is and obviously then if you

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can have Executives who can who can get

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a lot done with minimal labor is is more

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ideal uh but uh yeah it doesn't sound

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like uh unionization and Innovation tend

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to align very well and so I think for

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the purposes of unions I think they

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probably have to Rebrand their

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reputation a little bit to make sure

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that they can actually prove to

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businesses hey look you know we actually

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are pro-innovation like how do you

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innovate and and transform unions from

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not Innovative to Innovative right

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that's probably something if I were you

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know leading a union I'd be thinking

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about it because I I don't think uh uh

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the the common theme today is yeah

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unions I I think that's kind of Gone by

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the wayside mostly especially for people

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sort of outside the system so uh quite

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uh quite interesting

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so uh

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let's see Garrett Garrett hartel here

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says unionization didn't hurt the

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building of America a lot more of this

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country used to be unionized yeah well I

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I mean that that could be entirely

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causation without correlation right just

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because uh in the mid 19th century every

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automaker that existed was unionized

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doesn't necessarily mean that that

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unionization was good for America

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especially given that basically every

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car company other than Ford every law

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Legacy automaker other than Ford ended

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up going bankrupt you know we could we

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could just as easily make the argument

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that unionization led to the bankruptcy

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as as did not prevent the building of

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America right so I I think uh I think

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that's uh that's a difficult uh

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difficult argument to make uh with

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without uh you know clear clear

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statistics I think this is interesting

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Steve makes the argument a hundred

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percent of poor performers want to

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unionize uh to mooch the system poor

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performers want to unionize says Alex

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here uh I I mean there's there's always

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the possibility of that at midnight King

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email us at Kevin meet kevin.com we can

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get you taken care of but anyway yeah I

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mean look obviously there's there's no

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uh there's no real way to I think make

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the blanket argument and and be correct

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that everyone who wants to be a union

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sucks or everyone who wants to unionize

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is great and Innovative right it's

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obviously as with everything it's a mix

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of both I think probably the the

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argument that is often made is that look

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if if you're an Innovative Technologies

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and ultimately you're trying to replace

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labor just by the nature of wanting to

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innovate and minimize labor you already

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stand in the face of what unions stand

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for so unions stand for more labor and

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businesses Stand For Less labor so no

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matter which way you slice it Innovative

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companies will always be looking for

20:26

ways to reduce labor and unions will

20:28

always be looking wait for ways to

20:30

increase labor so from a first

20:32

principles approach of the purposes is

20:35

of those two entities one is

20:38

diametrically opposed to the other they

20:41

will always stand in conflict with each

20:43

other because their mission is exactly

20:46

the opposite

20:48

that makes for a very challenging

20:51

environment and one that will

20:52

continuously be uh litigated forever so

20:55

I think really the that's probably the

20:57

only binary conclusion that you can make

20:59

where it's like yes absolutely unions

21:01

want more labor absolutely businesses

21:03

want less labor now the rest of that

21:05

well that's to be debated but either way

21:09

again the more Tesla sits in the news

21:12

the more Tesla ends up ironically

21:15

selling Vehicles so it's fascinating

21:18

just to see how Tesla has sort of

21:19

mastered the world of uh of advertising

21:22

without advertising so congratulations

21:25

Tesla sorry to

21:28

Charlie Monger

21:30

now there are also now some rumors going

21:33

around that uh Tesla is uh potentially

21:37

uh leaking the Cyber Truck Body in uh in

21:42

in this right here with Joey uh 2000

21:45

potentially showing this this Frame over

21:48

here of uh the side frame of a vehicle

21:51

I'm going to play that again right here

21:53

but these are some rumors circulating

21:55

so if we move to this next clip right

21:58

here this is what some people say would

22:00

be sort of wheel Bay one wheel Bay 2

22:01

cyber truck side body cyber truck frame

22:04

who knows we know that they've uh

22:07

started the process of manufacturing the

22:09

Cyber truck and we expect the Cyber

22:10

truck to actually be available uh for

22:14

its initial orders towards the end of

22:16

2023 and then more bulk orders in uh in

22:20

2024 there are a lot of rumors as well

22:23

as to what's to happen with Tesla

22:25

regarding the uh the March 1st investor

22:31

day a lot of folks believe that investor

22:33

day obviously is going to be about Elon

22:36

musk's Master Plan Three uh Master Plan

22:38

Three is highly rumored to potentially

22:41

include the announcement of a new

22:43

vehicle platform that could be Robo taxi

22:45

it could be steering wheel list maybe

22:47

it's an optional steering wheel uh you

22:49

know it could be some grandiose Vision

22:50

about what's to come in years down the

22:52

road

22:53

there are a lot of hopes for that I

22:55

don't think whatever we hear on investor

22:57

day is going to be something that

22:58

practically or meaningfully changes our

23:01

ability to buy anything from Tesla

23:02

anytime soon given that obviously we're

23:04

still substantially in the ramping phase

23:05

for the sexy Vehicles that's the S the

23:08

model 3 uh the X and the Y and then of

23:11

course we've got to get Cyber truck up

23:12

and going uh so it's probably still

23:14

going to be a while I'm personally a

23:16

little bit bearish on the end the event

23:18

mostly because I I don't like to get my

23:20

hopes up and that's not because of my

23:22

pessimist I think I'm a very optimistic

23:23

person but I suppose just in in history

23:26

uh you know whether it's battery day or

23:28

AI day

23:29

the information we end up learning tends

23:31

to be very nuanced and not very

23:34

applicable to a large investor base or

23:36

just sort of a large audience and tends

23:39

to be a little bit more uh Arcane

23:42

difficult to be understood by many right

23:44

and hopeful for the long-term future

23:47

which is fantastic and and those with

23:49

the interest in that are probably going

23:51

to love investor day but I think broadly

23:53

if if folks are betting on sort of some

23:55

sort of big run after investor day in

23:58

the stock because of what's announced on

23:59

yesterday it's not a bet I would make I

24:02

I wouldn't necessarily say that I would

24:04

go in short before because you just

24:06

never know but it's probably not a bet

24:08

that I would make just given the history

24:10

who knows maybe this time we'll be

24:12

surprised

24:14

[Laughter]

24:16

uh my boss thinks I'm stupid that I

24:18

invest in Tesla

24:20

and then uh real George here says mature

24:23

people just don't want things to change

24:26

well I I find that uh remember your your

24:29

average customer for Tesla is between 25

24:32

and 45 years old and it's statistically

24:35

more likely to be a dude I think that's

24:38

because they they really haven't come

24:39

out with sort of a mommy style vehicle

24:41

yet uh sure you could claim that the x

24:43

or y would work but

24:45

um but once yeah once you have two kids

24:47

and strollers you need a lot of space uh

24:50

but anyway uh yeah I do find that at

24:53

least anecdotally myself it seems that

24:56

uh any one of the older Generations

25:00

older than than the millennial

25:02

generation

25:03

so we're talking you know Gen X uh uh

25:07

you've got

25:08

um boomer generation and of course the

25:10

silent generation which they don't say

25:12

much but anyway the other two there you

25:15

generally seem to have a an aversion to

25:19

what Elon Musk is doing and I I believe

25:21

that a lot of that aversion to Elon Musk

25:24

is actually shaped by I hate to say it

25:26

because it sounds a little tinfoil

25:28

had-esque but by the mainstream media

25:30

because of the headlines that are so

25:33

negative towards Tesla that people and

25:36

and I I know this because I try to

25:37

bridge the gap a little bit

25:39

when I get my newspapers because I

25:42

actually physically get newspapers

25:43

Financial Times USA Today Wall Street

25:45

Journal New York Times the post is in

25:47

there you know whatever I get all these

25:50

it's very um

25:53

let's just say it's it's it's easy to

25:55

throw Elon Musk Tesla and negativity on

25:59

the front page and frequently makes the

26:01

front page and and I don't think there's

26:02

much critical thought that often goes on

26:04

beyond the media narrative which is not

26:06

an insult it's just sort of the way

26:09

things have been and it's unfortunate

26:11

definitely is unfortunate but uh so it

26:15

is

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