ChatGPT Stock SPAC | OKLO WARNING
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well the CEO of open AI famous for chat
GPT is now doubling down on a nuclear
fission spack
he's been on the board of directors
actually been chairman of this board
since 2015 known the founders since
roughly around 2013 why combinator
involved in this and take a look at this
we're actually going back to spacland
now I've got some thoughts on this and
we're going to go through it but first
understand what's going on
this SPAC is going to take oculopublic
which is a company that's developing a
small nuclear reactor and what you could
do is you could go to their website and
get some pictures of this these are all
just 3D renderings these don't exist yet
and this stuff makes me very very
nervous I'm exhausted at looking at
renderings and projections I thought we
got past renderings and projections but
no apparently they're coming back as the
stock market's going up spacks are back
baby
so basically oclo is uh the the idea
here is that how can we produce a
nuclear power plant that could
potentially just Supply One data center
or one how massive housing tractor maybe
about 15 000 units or one region in a
city or a neighborhood or whatever how
can we create a small footprint building
with a small reactor in it
and basically copy and paste these
around the world and uh the idea is that
maybe we can spend 60 million dollars on
a reactor and end up creating a 15
million dollar uh or 15 megawatt
capacity a 15 megawatt capacity based on
a roughly 24 kilowatt hour per day usage
on average for an American household
covers about 15 000 homes now we did
this research ourselves kind of trying
to play with some numbers the net the
national average for kilowatt usage
tends to be around 24 per house per day
and uh what I thought was really
interesting is when we did the math that
actually converted to roughly whatever
the megawattage is of the power plant is
how many thousands of homes you could
power so if you have a 50 megawatt plant
50 000 homes 5 megawatt uh you know
windmill 5 000 homes kind of incredible
now it does appear that the technology
is a little bit more expensive even at
their 60 million dollar projection than
say wind energy but wind energy is
really good at a couple parts of the day
and not always available which could be
a downside obviously so you could get
like a three uh probably somewhere
around a three megawatt windmill for
around four million dollars so if I
wanted to get about five of these I
would have about a 15 megawatt capacity
for around 20 million dollars while oklo
is expecting to build these nuclear
power plants right here for about 60
million dollars a piece and then have a
15 megawatt generating facility now if
you could sell this at 20 cents a
kilowatt hour it might be less but let's
say you could sell it at 20 cents it
could be pretty desirable because uh you
know that could generate potentially up
to uh 20 plus million dollars in a year
of of electricity uh you know gross
electricity revenue of course you have
costs that go into nuclear fission but
there's there's definitely like the
concept is definitely sexy and so this
SPAC is looking to be valued at 850
million dollars looking to raise 500
million dollars in cash
and this small nuclear design setup has
not actually been tested yet uh they
have some permits to really start
getting into some of this but
they have not been tested on a super
small scale yet like this although
fission technology is is pretty common
you've got fission infusion uh fission
is your your common one uh that uh that
is available uh to nuclear reactors so
the technology is definitely there just
hasn't been brought down to this sort of
smaller scale here the first reactors
are expected to be delivered in Idaho
and Ohio and there are expectations that
perhaps there could be very large
inflation reduction Act tax credits for
these sort of reactors here's an example
of what an oculo 2 Powerhouse would look
like basically for those only just
listening it's it it sort of looks like
a a small maybe four or five thousand
square foot building where you have uh
it's just a metal frame and you have a
Lobby and then you walk into this
smaller room where you have a reactor
sitting there that looks like it's about
the size of a school bus
and uh this is uh this is somewhat
fascinating that in the future we're
probably going to have a lot more
commercial or a a commercial push
towards nuclear which is actually my
opinion great I think it's a phenomenal
source of energy I personally am not
sure about investing in a company like
this because I ultimately what you're
doing is you're selling a commodity
right a unit of electricity is basically
a commodity so you face competition not
just from other nuclear power plants but
also from solar batteries wind uh and
and then let me just let me just almost
hard stop here permitting like good luck
uh I mean I do think though where you
could prove this model out where you're
probably going to start with this model
is factories in the middle of nowhere
because people don't want to live around
a nuclear power plant but if you're like
hey Intel's building a new Factory uh
how about we just put a nuclear power
plant next to that and help power it
great fantastic you know with where this
could actually be very useful they
should try to sell this sucker in Taiwan
Taiwan as we talked about yesterday
Taiwan Imports 96 of their energy and if
China blockaded Taiwan in some sort of
you know takeover battle whatever they
could basically not
kill a single person and just cut
electricity off to the island like no
actual like combat Warfare like a Russia
versus Ukraine just cut off taiwan's
electricity Supply because they have to
physically import 96 of the electricity
uh via you know importing natural gas
and then operating uh you know either
coal-fired power plants or natural gas
power plants
uh and nuclear reactors them having
their own would be a perfect way for
energy sustainability the problem is
again you've got a political environment
that's super anti-nuclear in Taiwan
oopsie Daisy so you probably really end
up trying to uh build out a concept like
this at factories again Ohio Idaho it
doesn't really surprise me Idaho has
already got quite a few uh you know
energy facilities nuclear energy
facilities and research uh it seems like
it's a great place for it but anyway the
fact that spacks are back where now
you're looking at here's a company with
an idea I mean this is really what you
have what you have is a company with an
idea
and now they've been in or they've been
around for about 10 years but it's a
company with an idea
that has some cool renderings of a power
plant and an idea that's very salable
like hey we've got an energy crisis
we've got a problem let's make a pretty
you know diagram here of how we can
create small power plants and uh not yet
a provable business model
and then they're going to essentially be
worth almost a billion dollars
and blowing to me part of this I think
is because you end up getting people
involved like Sam Altman people put
their name on this and then they're able
to spack companies it's kind of like
what chemov did with whether it was open
door Virgin Galactic or weather-wise
now what's interesting is uh Sam Oldman
actually a little bit of history on him
he invested 375 million dollars into
helion and that was a nuclear fusion
company back in 20 uh yeah in 2021
helion is the first Fusion company to
sign a contract to sell energy to
Microsoft and that is expected to start
producing energy by 2028 although that's
much more experimental than a fission
company
uh it's kind of incredible though and
there are real penalties if that Fusion
company doesn't actually deliver energy
uh especially since you know they
haven't quite figured that out yet
which I think is fascinating because it
goes to show that in the smaller nuclear
power plant space you're going to have
competition between not just uh solar
wind and otherwise but also Fusion
that's going to be interesting uh anyway
uh highly uh you know or helion is
another uh hylion that's the destruction
company helion that'll be quite
interesting to see how they can ramp up
uh larger megawatt facilities but uh
sticking on Aqua here for a moment he
um again the company is expected to
spack we do have actually a ticker here
I think it's alt c a l c c is uh is the
spec let's see if that's uh I believe
that's already actually trading
uh yeah ALS alcc
is the ticker and then you'll see the
alt C acquisition Corp it's trading for
10.44 cents right now I have to say I
think though a lot of people are going
to be once bitten twice shy on this
remember back in the day where
everybody's like oh just buy a spack at
ten dollars you can't go wrong buying a
spack at ten dollars and uh yeah no you
can then what happens is they end up
actually reverse merging you get this
merger and then what you get lockup
expirations and everybody on the inside
dumps because the valuation for these
these companies is not so
uh it's kind of remarkable now by the
way if you're on Twitter spaces and you
want to request to chat feel free to
request to chat since uh now we uh are
able to remind you about an expiring
coupon code coming up in two weeks for
the programs I'm building your wealth
not just on YouTube or twitch but also
Twitter live video and Twitter spaces
which I think is kind of cool I still
haven't looked to see if it's possible
that both of those could possibly be
going at the same time I kind of like
The Show Must Go On most so we're gonna
go with the show no matter what but uh
that does seem like it is kind of
interesting uh yeah it actually does
look like I'm live on video and live
with spaces right now how cool okay so
anyway this gives us a little bit of a
look into oclo uh again keep in mind the
biggest risks to a company like aklo in
my opinion are going to be energy and
well I mean number one hands down by far
the biggest risk hard stop permitting by
far are the biggest risk of course it's
the biggest risk why because
if nobody permits your project you're
not going to get off the ground you're
not going to be able to scale this your
revenues are going to be nominal for a
decade or more and it's going to be a
very risky investment in my opinion and
look even though my license financial
advisor and I run an ETF can't give you
personalized advice here on social media
but boy I uh I'm definitely a little uh
a little concerned about uh about the
revenue potential here strictly from a
permitting point of view so that's
permitting but then you've got a big gap
and your next risk is just competition
from other energy sources now I do think
that there is a real potential that
solar and wind over this next decade
have I mean this could end up becoming
the decade of solar and wind right now I
believe markets are very anti-energy
very very bearish energy which I think
is a perfect time to actually start
creating positions in companies like and
phase let me give you a little hint hint
you what you should do is go look at how
many micro inverters and phase expects
to manufacture by the end of 2024 this
is something we've been talking about
with course members for a while now you
should look at how many micro inverters
they're expected to manufacture by the
end of 2024 and then you should look at
how much money uh per kilowatt these
inverters are expected to receive from
the inflation reduction act and then
when you do a little bit of quick math
you can start seeing that the net income
numbers of end phase could change
dramatically more than Wall Street
expects over the next four to five years
so uh pretty remarkable so we'll see
what happens
uh but yeah uh
you know Caleb here says why not just
IPO if you've had a good business for a
decade right so here's the way that
works
a good business takes a lot of startup
money usually uh now there are uh
experimental good businesses and then
there are inherently good businesses an
inherently good business does not
actually require that much startup
Capital because you start making money
very quickly now I'm not trying to Pat
myself on the back here but I just don't
think it's it's challenging what we're
going to do but with my real estate
startup you know knock on wood over here
with my real estate startup I expect we
can take a small amount of money
relative to you know the world of
venture capital and actually start
making money
right away or very quickly and then for
you know about 10 years or seven to ten
years make a lot of money and then IPO
so it'd be a very traditional path start
with small seed grow that make money
prove profitability and IPO that's your
traditional model the problem is if you
just have like some crazy idea that is
either going to go to the moon or just
completely collapse like we're gonna
make solid state batteries or we're
gonna put nuclear power plants
everywhere in people's neighborhoods you
know these these ideas take hundreds to
billions of dollars without
any expectation of return
until all of a sudden the pieces fall
together and then the returns are insane
and so what people do or why they spack
is they basically uh try to I hate
saying this phrase but they kind of
cheat the money raising process
because what they're doing is rather
than going through a traditional
fundraise which could take you like a
year to put together
you basically just go to a blank company
that is a company that's ipoed with a
ticker like alcc or whatever old see and
that company had basically uh zero
everything on their balance sheet it's
easy to audit it's easy for the SEC to
say okay yeah go ahead and IPO they IPO
they don't even ring the bell or
anything they just start trading on the
stock exchange for 10 bucks some form of
par value
and then what happens is they say who
can we merge with they come up with some
crazy outlandish projections and story
and narrative and then they merge with
that company usually in the span of
three to six months with very limited
SEC review so really what you're doing
is you're not you're skipping a lot of
the SEC review you're skipping a lot of
the uh underwriting that you would get
from a traditional IPO and you're
skipping that traditional Market testing
that people like to see before a company
actually goes public so you're
shortcutting all of this to try to make
a bag of cash up front and that's why
I'm not the biggest fan of spax because
I kind of think they're just cash grabs
especially since the uh the people who
put their name on it they end up taking
these insane fees of like 50 to 100
million dollars 10 to 20 percent of the
money raised and that that's just nuts a
hundred million dollar Payday for doing
a spack I mean don't get me wrong it
seems like a great business model but
uh I don't know I guess I guess we'll
see so you know good luck to our club
but it's a that's my take I suppose now
I want you to know this when it comes to
AI
time is what's going to make you money
and if you can prove that value to an
employer you'll always be able to be
employed so this is another way of
making sure that you don't get replaced
but
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