Confronting Lauren Southern: Censorship & Collapse.

we live in a system where if you ruffle

the wrong feathers and those people have

a lot more money and a lot more

political connections than you you're

going to have a really bad time I I was

arrested under the terrorism act

schedule 7 it's one of the only times

you don't have a right to remain silent

I have no criminal record despite

popular belief I literally got a letter

from the Australian government saying I

had to stop involving myself in politics

altogether if I wanted to be in that

country they just want that feedback

loop and the content creators making

that content get a lot of money how many

different times can we say it it's a

vicious cycle and I almost can't even be

mad they wanted to create a villain

because that's what people love to see

and I was just the blonde cute villain

that they could create at the time you

nailed the Tucker Carlson prediction

yeah I it doesn't surprise me that's I I

kind of feel like what's motivating you

now because I I sense not only the the

frustration but almost some regret I

can't help but feel you sound a little

defeated I actually have something I

care about and I want to

protect welcome back to another episode

of the meet Kevin show it has been 3

years since we last confronted Lauren

Southern and I think you're probably

best to introduce yourself but I want to

start with apparently not only are you

banned from Airbnb but your blood is

banned from Airbnb you got were part of

a show with Tucker Carlson but then

after he got canned that got canned uh

you banned from Pat you've been

demonetized plenty of times Wikipedia

does not love you what is going on

Lauren Southern and thank you for coming

back it's been almost three years I

really like how you're almost legally

obligated to refer to this as

confronting me instead of interviewing

me because anything other than that

means accepting the person banned from

every platform banking institution

Wikipedia hates you know no um I said I

have a friend of mine who has an

excellent quote maybe he stole it from

someone but it was it's better to be uh

wrong too late than right too

early because if you're if you're right

too early if you're the Berserker going

in you're just going to hit the machine

gun fire the people who kind of wait

back and are like I'm going to let you

guys go first with your opinions that

are a little dangerous like you can look

at this with black lives matter you know

criticizing the protesters the first

people that came out as critics maybe

questioning should we be burning down

cities canel canceled canceled right now

it's pretty normal to question that the

first people who came out and said hey

you know this Mass immigration stuff

might really be affecting our economy

and Canada and our housing market um

let's let's look into that racist

canceled from shows now that's a pretty

normal talking point even in regular

magazines in Canada a lot of I mean the

thing that I was probably the most

canceled for ever was a video I did

called the Great replacement in which I

literally just described Renard Kimo's

philosophy was a French philosopher who

said um when you have one population in

a time span and then within a certain

amount of time they're replaced with

another population through various means

immigration whatever that's replacement

politics and I described it in this

video didn't say whether this is an

amazing good or bad thing right but wow

I got in a lot of trouble for that like

that got me labeled as a white

nationalist Nazi this none of those

things you know none of those things but

now Tucker Carlson has talked about it

Vic ramaswami all vi vi like cake got it

yes you know there's a lot of people

that have the thing that I've been the

most canceled for is now being talked

about by some of the biggest

commentators that are nowhere near

banned from countries the way I have

been but I was a little uh early so what

do you think most people consider you on

the political spectrum and then what do

you consider yourself if I take a

political Spectrum test I land pretty I

I I'm embarrassed to say it because I

understand the uh connotation but I

actually land pretty Centrist when I

take a political Spectrum test myself um

but border patrol doesn't think so you

were autis Spectrum that's a

little what were we talking

about border patrol don't agree last

yeah so but if you ask people based on

my Wikipedia because you know people

don't grow up or portray their opinions

differently they don't get

misrepresentative I'm just like a

straight up NE that wants to kill

immigrants in the you know Mediterranean

Sea that is not true but it doesn't

really matter once an opinion has been

formulated About You by the masses so I

I tend to prioritize relationships and

conversations with people who are

actually interested in getting to know

what I think rather than concerning

myself with the thoughts of people who

have already decided how has that

affected you um I mean it's hard to say

that it hasn't massively impact in my

life right I it's to the point of

affecting every aspect of my life my

ability to travel my ability to get jobs

my ability to rent places get a mortgage

everything like rent places you've been

denied rentals because of your Wikipedia

well like this is a thing for I have

friends that are in media industry that

aren't even controversial like me that

they have trouble just because they have

a public profile like you think and and

people are worried oh there's someone

with a public profile living in my house

they might you know someone might try to

find where they live it might end up on

the Internet or whatever so then you

think of someone like me you Google my

name you're getting some interesting

results right and it doesn't really

matter if they're true or not people are

just concerned about that we live in a

day and age

where Association is very important

we're in this like soft communism where

you can be cancelled by association you

can lose your job by association my

parents got banned from BNB for the

crime of being related to me right tell

us about that yeah I I

2018 20 I think it was 2019 I got banned

from Airbnb which was crazy because I

had already taken a step back from

politics they sent me a message saying

due to your political persuasion and

connections we have taken down your our

Airbnb account and you can't use our

site anymore so literally due to my

politics and then I believe last year my

parents were booking a nice little

getaway and you know they I I am not the

voice of my parents they are their own

people with their own opinions and their

own lives um and Airbnb sent them a

message based on I I'd have to get the

exact writing but it was essentially

based on who you are related to and

connected to we have shut down your

Airbnb account and I my parents my

parents so that's once again by blood

relation this is fullon Nazi communist

regime stuff which they're accusing you

of oh it the irony is endless you know

this is always the quote online imagine

the other way around or the hypocrisy

and you can scream about it all day long

but that is just the system we live in

we live in an extraordinarily

hypocritical time where the people

screaming Nazi are the first one that

will put you in front of the firing wall

vice versa um my yeah my parents were

pretty upset because you know as much as

they've had their life impacted by by

just even emotionally by having to watch

what I've been through getting calls

like hey we've got your daughter

arrested in Cal and she's getting

questioned under the terrorism act like

you know that does a number to

parents who uh you know get those calls

in the first thing in the morning your

daughter's in jail and Turkey right now

and we don't know if she'll be released

you know like that definitely does a

number so I've calmed down a bit well

wait so you've changed your behavior

because of this but like what Behavior I

mean like is it just

like expressing your opinion and and

making videos online or what do you mean

when you say you've calmed down

um well you you have to I learned very

quickly what I thought because I came

from a very normal you know workingclass

family I I didn't come from any sort of

House of Cards powerful you know Elite

family that's going to know what's going

on and how the world totally works you

know we know the basics of of life and I

was taught everything that a kid you'd

think a kid would need to know but I

definitely went into the world being

like yeah I can say my opinion I can

speak freely free speech um I'm allowed

no matter who I am and and what my

background is to start a business to

live my life and that is just not how it

works we live in a system where if you

ruffle the wrong feathers and those

people have a lot more money and a lot

more political connections than you

you're going to have a really bad time a

really bad time and and that doesn't

even necessarily matter the the politics

like if I ruffle the feathers just by

being too famous and taking up too much

of a slice of the pie within the

right-wing Circle that might ruffle

feathers in there to get you taken out

especially if you don't have the

resources or connections to defend

yourself but definitely most of my

experience was criticizing governments

and I spent most of my focus criticizing

governments worldwide and repeatedly

found myself being banned from those

countries whether it be the UK where I

went in and I was like you're banned

from the UK b i I was denied entry from

the UK and I don't know if I would ever

be allowed to return especially

considering um you know I've I've put in

inquiries and I was I I was arrested

under the terrorism act schedule 7 it's

one of the only times you don't have a

right to remain silent you legally do

not have a right to remain silent and I

was 21 years old what were you doing

what what what would cause the British

government to arrest you under the

terroris after I can't even remember it

was like 8 n 10 11 hours or so that I

was like questioning detained um they

gave me a letter saying that I was my

entry was rejected by Homeland Security

whoever it was there under accusations

of racism and wanting to cause racial

tension but what was fascinating about

that was the alleged racial tension was

me holding a pride parade kind of a

mockup YouTube video pride parade in the

city of Luton so what inspired that was

Vice news had put out an article saying

Jesus was transgender and I was like

okay fine Vice that's that's very edgy

right wow you've really H stuck it to

the Christians Jesus is transgender how

new and original and I I think that

criticism of religion should be allowed

I I really do whatever no matter how

ridiculous it's being I think that

should be allowed but the problem is

when you have these people that are

pretending to be so edgy to question the

Orthodoxy of religion but you know

they'd never do it in a way that would

actually threaten their career or really

ruffle feathers because they're all just

clout chasers of wanting to climb the

corporate ladder to improve their

reputations more clicks all of that so

an Orthodoxy that everyone is way too

afraid to question would be radical

Islam particularly because people get

beheaded when they do you know Charlie

hebo

right Paris and people get shot

basically more than that it's just

within the kind of progressive hierarchy

white Christians are very acceptable to

attack kind of like white males all of

that but if you get into different

racial groups different faiths then well

Vice news isn't going to be so keen on

doing a piece criticizing Brown you know

non-Christian religions and so that it's

just like I'm like okay you could do you

could say the same thing you could do an

article saying Muhammad the prophet

Muhammad was transgender but you won't

and I kind of wanted to do a video like

going in front of a church and having

like a pride parade in front of a church

and seeing how people reacted within

that community and then having a because

pride parade is something that's very

celebrated within the progressive belief

and then doing it in front of in a

Muslim area and seeing the reactions and

being like okay you're going to get a

way stronger reaction from one Community

than the other and yet the community

you're criticizing as extraordinarily

homophobic is always the community that

seems to have less of a visceral

reaction to this stuff right so I was

going to do this compare and contrast

video but I wasn't actually allowed back

into the UK to do the Christian part of

it because after I did the little pride

parade event in Luton the police

threatened to arrest me for breaching

the peace I wasn't attacking anyone I

just had a little pride parade I had my

G friends with me and a few other people

handing out flyers and uh people were

screaming like spitting at us and the

police were like you guys are going to

get attacked you are breaching the peace

you got to get out of here we're going

to arrest you I always listen I always

try to comply this is why I have no

criminal record despite popular belief

um and we left but they did ban me for

racism for that which is fascinating

because last time I checked Islam is not

a race and uh your sexuality is not a

race either so they just really pulled

that one out of the backside and sounds

like pushing the boundaries can not only

get you banned apparently from entering

countries but then also caught up at

borders of you had mentioned before uh

we were sitting down here that you've

spent you've missed tens of thousands of

dollars of flights being stuck in

questioning at entry points yeah and

this is something that I mean I'm just

going to build on this one hand if you

have ever met or spoken to someone who

works in the policing like fed

intelligence any kind of sphere like

that and you think about the lawsuits

that they put up against J Sixers or any

sort of protesters leftwing or

right-wing antifa pipeline protesters

they will tell you the point of these

lawsuits these investigations these

arrests isn't necessarily because they

think they're going to win or because

they have any sort of case whatsoever

it's for the purpose

of

distraction and wasting your time the

process is the punishment the process is

the punishment exactly and they know as

long as they keep you hooked up in all

these legal battles many of them

completely frivolous and they may know

so as well that you're not going to have

time to do whatever you were doing

before and that very much became my life

after the height of my career it was

like I had the height of my career doing

politics criticizing all these

governments and then everything after

that was just governments Banning me

from places sending me letters

threatening to shut down my websites

Banks everything to the point where

eventually I literally got a letter from

the austr Australian government saying I

had to stop involving myself in politics

altogether if I wanted to be in that

country and at that Liv austr at that

time I was married to an Australian and

we were you got evicted from Australia

well no they told me I wouldn't be

allowed in the country where you know I

had family if I didn't quit politics

altogether oh wow yeah so the government

did eventually manage to shut me down

completely and yeah and for all that

time I was also on secondary screening

for flights so any time I had to fly

anywhere visit family or if I did even

want to still work I had to show up for

flights 4 hours early and even so uh

that didn't necessarily mean I was going

to make it and they you don't get a

refund they'd held me for eight hours

you know at times just asking me

questions that they had asked me a

thousand times before it was crazy

making like I have been in hundreds of

hours of questioning sessions where

they're just like what's your name where

are you from tell us about your

documentaries tell us about the videos

you've made explain this video and every

time like asking me the same question

same question same question legitimate

crazy making and then I'd miss my flight

and they'd be like we need you to stay

for another four hours and what they

would do is because they didn't have the

grounds to necessarily like ban me from

America a lot of this happened with the

US they would just say well you've

missed your flight and we can keep you

here for 14 20 30 more hours um or you

can just withdraw your application to

enter the US come in so I repeatedly

have to withdraw my application to enter

for 2 years that was a thing that

happened where I just they would just

hold me for long enough that I missed

every flight and did never got a refund

and at that time during covid a lot of

the only flights to Australia and to

Canada to visit my family back and forth

were through the us because of all the

flight cancellations so you know

prevented from seeing family in in some

cases my last flight from Australia to

Canada to come to the funeral of family

members in family I hadn't seen in a

year they told me we need all of your

computers devices uh passwords or you

don't get to see your family oh and at

that point I had been so emotionally

beat down and

so detached from the people that I loved

and it was like my grandmother's funeral

who was so close to me who I love so

much you the government will literally

get you to a point where it's just like

I don't care like take it like that's my

rights being violated I feel violated I

feel like I you have just completely VI

like you know I have no rights of my own

but fine you win do you think people

could make this comparison to your

situation and then the same power that

was oppressing you but in the opposite

form supporting someone like Jeffrey

Epstein how do you mean so like the

power of the government protecting all

of the politicians associated with

Jeffrey Epstein and the non-prosecution

agreements protecting Alan dersovitz and

Jeffrey Epstein 100% the a single if you

have a journalist that would have been

early days looking into this 1,000% you

would have had people with all of these

connections calling up oh this

journalist they're trying to get to a

conference over here where they're going

to be speaking on an event about us you

know um put them put a little like flag

on their passport get them pulled in

make sure they miss their flight and you

know you'll never be able to prove that

necessarily you won't know who didand

screening random screening yeah and it's

very crazym it's completely crazy Mak

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know who put me on secondary screening

but I know it was someone in Seattle

I've gotten little bits of information

like a random agent that you know

through an airport I didn't even go

through so maybe it was just an activist

maybe it was something more Sinister

they made so right over there yeah yeah

exactly right um like I was able you

know to get little pieces of information

here and there because I I think I

explained this to you before like

through all of these questioning

sessions there's a bit of

cross-pollination like I don't think

they got any information from me that

wasn't already public or online I ain't

no

snitch but no I'm Ser but like I also

wasn't doing anything illegal like I

genuinely I'm like yeah you have

literally held me here questioned me

tormented me held me from family like

psychologically just tried to destroy me

and you still have nothing on me I am

not in jail I have no criminal record

like I know I'm fine I know everything

I'm doing is fine until we ban free

speech for real for real here right um

but I did learn things about from them

you know the types of questions they

would ask me the groups they would ask

me about I'm like oh so that's what you

guys are looking into right now like

that's your modus operandi that's what

you're focusing on so it's the the

flashlight has moved from Lauren

Southern on to other things does that

give you an opportunity for new OP like

new activism in 2024 like what are your

focuses I I won't lie like I think I was

explaining this you've talked about it

you're like you aren't that active on

your channel Lauren and it's true I have

and even when I am

I I'm a little trigger shy if if that's

like a reverse word that I'm a little

gun shy because it's like I don't know

you've messed up so much of my life

because of the things I've said

literally when I was like a teenager

like 20 21 years old right

um it's been scarring it's been a bit

scarring it's like do I really want to

get involved really shaking things up

and I have moments where I'm like I do

but even even then

like so much of the political sphere is

very focused on the financial

opportunity of people's like Collective

hope towards certain ideas and like okay

how can we monetize this and and I get

it like you need money to do things but

I think it's become way too focused on

that um

corporate

media media that now it's not only like

the government that you're competing

against and which was it used to be this

like real collective in 2015 of people

who were super interested in this and

got involved in it and were making their

own little home videos and stuff but now

it's like if you kind of threaten the

corporate regime that's like listen we

got a good thing going here we've got

our donors we've got our um the opinions

that we've created that are acceptable

for our audience and we like them being

in this feedback loop of those opinions

don't take them out of that don't say

things that may disturb the donors don't

say things that might you know ruffle

the feedback loop of money making that

we're in right now uh it's it's a very

scary environment and I really feel like

I'm in a point I you know I'm I'm really

in this point of like data collection

and like understanding better because I

am aware of the position I'm in I am not

wealthy I am not from a family with like

strings that they can pull in the

background I don't have all these big

connections I'm just me and I feel like

I probably spend a lot more time like

analyzing how the system is working and

understanding how I can contribute maybe

in small ways behind the scenes

meaningful ways behind the scenes and

then if I have an opportunity to

contribute things I think are meaningful

on my own channel or in movies I make I

do that but I'm still in this kind of

data collection phase of realizing I

went into this whole political world

blind and got myself really messed up up

on all fronts Financial political social

and now I'm like okay it's time for you

to sit down and realize you don't know

everything and it's time to learn a bit

more and it's humbling it's good it's

good I was a bit of an idiot and it's

nice being humbled and both my both in

my opinions and in my way of operating

I've grown in a lot of it I was actually

about to ask about that so obviously

your behaviors changed but what how have

your political opinions changed since

you were

192021 it's hard being asked that

because there are people that see that

I've become more nuanced in my beliefs

and then there are people who are like

very leftwing that are like oh no she's

still a Nazi like she still has

criticisms of get immigration she still

has criticisms of this or that and I'll

tell you right now anyone who comes out

and is like I was a right winger and now

I regret it and I am here to expose what

horrible bigots they are there's no

honesty in that people don't change

their views 100% especially when you've

been in a political movement leftwing or

right-wing there are a lot of deeply

honest people that really believe they

are trying to change the world for the

right in both of those movements and

when you get to know them you become

friends with them you love some of these

people you know with with your heart or

your family you know your all of those

things you it's hard to let go of seeing

things from their perspective and seeing

the parts where they are right and so

anyone who like changes their belief

overnight and it's like actually all

criticisms of immigration is just racism

no you're just say that because you want

to make a quick Buck you're just saying

that because you think you can pull the

wool over people's heads and you don't

actually have any core beliefs to you so

you know I've definitely in my travels

exploring the world meeting people I

understand the nuance and complexity of

things better and that's just growing up

yeah the the way the internet acts

like you made a video in 2016 that you

had this opinion and it wasn't nuanced

and that's who you are for the rest of

your life like the [ __ ] in this

situation isn't the person who grows up

and you know creates Nuance in their

beliefs a bit it's the person who thinks

that growing up doesn't exist it's like

an example maybe I by way would an

example of that maybe be if somebody

sees if they Google Lauren Southern and

they see a t-shirt that you're wearing

that's it's okay to be white does that

potentially leave somebody with an

impression that isn't actually you it's

funny I went and I uh I was speaking to

a university class and there was a kid

at the back of the class that like put

up their hand and they were like you

know why did you wear this racist shirt

and I was like okay um why do you think

that shirt's racist they're like well

this article says it's a racist shirt

and I'm like okay what do you think of

the statement it's okay to be white

they're

like um I'm like do you think it's okay

to be white they're like yeah like yeah

I think we both do and you know I

understand when it's like portrayed and

that I I get what people are saying

they're like well it means more than

just the statement itself like you're

you're dog whistling or whatever like

black lives matter means more than just

black lives matter it's tied to a whole

social and political movement I get that

but also like you're not going to and

maybe if we have a more nuanced

conversation and you really convince me

that it's okay to be white is like a

deeply you know Nazi type statement I

think you're going to have trouble

convincing me of that because I was part

of the people that kind of popularized

it at the time and I know my intention

was just I think the media will freak

out if I say this because they're kind

of racist so when you've been a part of

popularizing that and you know what your

intentions were it's going to be hard to

convince me that there were like other

negative secret codes behind it sure but

yeah that seems to be a a mainstream

media almost approach of well you're

saying this and therefore you're

inciting violence we hear a lot of that

now by like oh it's one phrase is

inciting somebody else and then you'll

have interviews with the people who say

a certain phrase or maybe wear a shirt

or whatever it's I'm not inciting

violence it's just is this statement in

its own not okay like you've just

explained and then response oh but

somebody might take offense to that is

this like what's happened to the media

is the media just looking for any reason

for somebody to be upset to run a story

or have people become more sensitive

what's going on well I think when when I

was younger when I was younger I talk

like I'm

60 I'm 28 I don't feel it I feel older

than 28 but um no when I was like 20 and

really getting into this um the media

have you ever watched the movie best of

enemies oh no oh it's such a good movie

it's a goral versus William F Buckley

who started the National Review and then

goral very Progressive wrote a bunch of

you know Progressive kind of LGBT books

everything um they they were looking to

spice up ABC News at the time who was

falling behind in third or fourth or

something and so it was like the

election I think it was Barry Goldwater

or something I can't remember the exact

election that was going on but they

decided what if we did like a debate

show between gor vdal and William F

Buckley completely different opinions

and like just got them firing at each

other that would be fascinating and this

was where kind of the debate TV and

YouTube sphere blood Sports kind of all

sparked from right and it did very well

it like totally boosted their ratings

and it's one of the most fascinating

movies to watch there's this one scene

where I really feel it was like the dam

breaking in the respect in media and

Society where gor Vidal looks at William

F Buckley and says you're a crypto

fascist and that was like you know shots

fired and Buckley snapped too and um oh

what did he say he he said something

about him being a goddamn queer and

everyone was like shocked sh you didn't

do these things in like respectable TV

at the time right and if you went back

and uh towards the end of the movie I'm

spoiler alert you can skip past this if

you plan on watching best of enemies but

they towards the end of Buckley's life

they replayed that clip in one of his

last interviews of him saying like

you're a goddamn queer to gorbad all and

he almost cried he looked like a Broken

Man like he couldn't believe he allowed

himself to get to that state but that

kind of behavior now is just the Norman

media right this name calling this

absolutely visceral straw Manning of

other people and what their beliefs are

and what their core intentions are and

back then for someone like Buckley to do

that for someone like Vidal to do that

that was like wow what have I done not

only to the sphere around me but what

have I done to my own soul to like

portray people in that way and so

dishonestly and now it's just the norm

like the floodgates have broken and

people see the opportunism that it

created for ABC News at that time and

others and and everyone it's like oh I

you push it just a little further push

it just a little further but it's always

Icarus Flying Too Close to the sun right

eventually you go too too far and it

destroys the whole thing and I've I've

partaken in that I've said things that I

look at and I'm like I did not need to

say that about that person I did not

portray them I did not steal man them I

did not really try to understand them

and in turn I've had many people do it

to me and it's a vicious cycle and I

almost can't even be mad because I

understand they wanted to create a

villain because that's what people love

to see and I was just the blonde cute

villain that they could create at the

time very interesting you know a

20-year-old blonde Canadian girl that's

a Nazi going around the world trying to

shoot flare guns at immigrants that a

fun story and it's a lot more fun than a

girl who's just trying to learn her

steps in the political world and has

watched too much Fox News and really

actually does have a lot of concerns

about immigration because she grew up in

Vancouver which is a majority Chinese

City now and has changed so much when I

was a kid tell us about that you're

what's what's going on like what's

motivating you now because I I sense the

the not only the the frustration but

almost some regret uh in in um the

trajectory of the impressions of

people it's not human none of it's human

none of it's real people aren't what

they are on the internet they aren't

even what they portray themselves as on

the internet

I H I was having this conversation with

a friend recently they're like man like

you get all these like DMS and messages

from people that just like adore you

that must be crazy and I'm like you know

it's appreciated obviously like I work

hard on some of the stuff I do and I

appreciate it but also they don't adore

me they don't know who I am like they

know the image of me and the work I've

done and everything but they don't know

who I am the only people you know are

people you've spoken to face to face and

you know I recently went to a conference

America Fest or whatever it was a tpusa

thing and I

uh I walked in and I'm not going to lie

I like immediately was like okay it's

time to leave after walking into the

conference I like looked at all these

faces and it was the like profile

pictures that I had seen on X or Twitter

and YouTube and I was like these things

need to remain on my screen not in real

life but like I I don't like the

Collision of Worlds too intense or what

was it well

it's there's something very

disappointing you know seeing people

that are entirely willing to be very

dehumanizing and cruel on the Internet

or treat you in an entirely different

way and then you meet them face to face

and all of that disappears there's some

thing that creates hope in humanity

because you know you get these two

people in a room together and you get

rid of the it's the ego it's the fact

that people are watching on these

websites right it's I can't lose in this

game of ego but you put two people alone

you get rid of all the viewers

everything it's gone there's no need to

perform and they're a completely

different person and there's something

very emotionally kind of disturbing it's

like wow we really are just like a bunch

of monkeys on a stage just trying to

have you lost

hope well this is the other thing I was

going to say is there there's something

inspiring about it because you remember

at the end of the day when humans get

rid of that ego and when they get rid of

the the people watching there is a core

of good in them and they're actually

quite Meek creatures that are feeling

very lost and just want to understand

and they see everyone else putting up an

ego and everyone else putting up the

show and they're like well I guess I

have to too and I don't really want to

be hurt and that person right now is

getting canceled online in the Coliseum

and ripped apart by the digital lions

and I don't really want that to be me so

I'm going to put up this personality but

then you see people face to face you

talk to them you know there's always

that qu of I like the 300 a.m. version

of people you know the version where

it's like really raw and that exists in

all of these people that exists in

everyone the worst person you know

online has that 3:00 a.m. vulnerable

version of themsel that I'm not saying

it excuses their terrible Behavior but

it exists and I I do believe it can be

reached and I think every person has

that part of them that can be saying

everybody like you want that 3 a.m. to I

do I want everyone to be like that all

the time I think that's that's when

we're raw and honest and rid of the ego

that's when people can truly begin to

love and understand one another um but I

guess the depressing part is you go

there and it's like the internet is not

getting smaller it's expanding and our

connection to it our screen time and I'm

part of it I'm part of that cycle like I

am forever trapped in this internet

world I I this is my lifeline now and I

think that's bad I think the world

where this wasn't people's job when I

was younger was much better

because

um when people are now trapped to it and

they don't have the ability to walk away

or be cancelled or just say something

and then it doesn't work out it's like

well it's okay I still have my real life

um you could actually just be honest you

could just you didn't have to kind of

create all these fake characters that

everyone's talking to online but um yeah

as it expands more and more people are

going to be pressed to create their

avatars on the internet that are just

like the super ego it's we in regular

want people to see basically yeah well

in regular life like we all have a bit

of a mask that we put on when we go out

in our community trying to look good but

on the internet you can just like really

pump that [ __ ] up right like not only am

I wearing a mask I'm literally wearing a

mask I've got a filter going this isn't

even me this is like an AI person that

I've invented and I'm not even going to

live as myself I'm going to spend 18

hours on my computer pretending to be

you know an AI girl that's 15 years old

or what like it's just it's getting

weird out there right so how does this

affect everyday people uh like is it is

it is it something where uh it's

important to spend less time on say Tik

Tok or social or is how how can an

everyday watch or learn from the pain

that you're sharing it's contradictory

because I'm sitting here a hypocrite

making the internet content literally

right now I'm trapping you on a screen

but at least I'm trying to say things

that I think are honest I think we all

know we need to spend less time on the

screens I think we all know that I don't

think there's any argument to be made

there but we're trapping people in false

versions of reality um and whether it be

your political beliefs we always create

kind of hyped up pumped up versions that

are more exaggerated than what actually

may need to be applied because that is

far more you know interesting and

encapsulating and if you've just come

back from an emotional argument with a

family member at Thanksgiving where like

your liberal cousin or conservative

cousin and has said something that like

really pissed you off and you're angry

at them you know someone on the internet

telling you that they're literally a

hellspawn demon that's going to have

their life destroyed by degeneracy or

have their life destroyed because

they're not going to get the vaccine and

CO's going to kill them or whatever

because they're a stupid conservative

you know that's unfortunately the

content that feeds the ego right and

it's it's a false version and that's how

create sort of the amplifying self Echo

Chambers is the idea well and and we

look at it with you know both the

discourse with men and women everyone's

like why has the discourse with men and

women gotten so weird well there's a lot

of money in telling people there's

nothing wrong with you it's everyone

else's fault and whether it be like the

feminists who are like it's all men are

trash and all men are evil queen you've

done nothing wrong like that want to

hear that because they're really hurting

inside and the idea that they could be

at fault for you know the position

they're in in life is really hard for

people to accept but the men also have

their own version it's all these [ __ ]

trying to steal your money and you're

doing nothing wrong King like they're

just shallow you know barely humans it's

like they just want that feedback loop

and the content creators making that

content get a lot of money from giving

them that feedback the idea I've always

been told this quote if if I point the

finger three fingers point back at me

that I am more to blame than what I'm

pointing at are are you suggesting that

maybe some of the issues that men

complain about with I can't find a good

woman or women complaining about I can't

find a good man maybe has more to do

with themselves than it does the other

people is is that what you're suggesting

I mean we can only control ourselves in

these scenarios so if you're finding

yourself repeatedly in a position where

every single one of your relationships

is not working out I'm not saying that

we don't live in a broken world where

people don't have issues but you're the

common denominator there just to think

to think you have nothing that you can

change is delusional you know I've been

through some tough situations with

relationships I've been through a

divorce and you know I

I think I may have the compulsion

actually the other way around to blame

myself too much sometimes because it

wasn't until like a judge told me like

your relationship was effed and like you

know like this is messed up and like you

got to like get away did I accept that

okay maybe actually I I do need to just

accept but but then that still in that

it's like okay what is messed up in me

that made me make this decision and not

realize what was going on around me you

and and you're saying social media folks

might be trying

to accelerate the self- delusion and

then profit off of it whereas like

clearly you went through something very

extreme here I mean you were married to

a federal agent there's there are two

things here I don't want to get into too

much details because I think we can talk

about these things in a general sense

and you know

it's

h I'm still processing some of that you

know but yeah that was one of their jobs

but wasn't entirely okay definitely it

was a big in like the very different

lives going on and the contr you know

like when you've got a security

clearance and when you're someone who

can destroy someone's security clearance

there's some pretty fundamental issues

there but both of us decided to be in

that relationship so we walk off that on

then the media uh do do you think that's

a thing is is this I mean it's what

you're implying is that social media

influencers are going to pry on it's not

you it's everyone else and then

accelerating that Echo chamber for

profit is is that your argument oh of

course of course yeah um you know if you

go into conservative circles for example

and I just you know a lot of people in

the conservative sphere they kind of

sometimes will refer to me as a traitor

I think the reasonable people are like

in the conservative sphere yeah yeah the

reasonable people are like okay I

completely understand what you're doing

but because I understand the

conservative World better because I grew

up in that I I spent a lot of time in

that sphere I don't consider myself or

call myself a conservative but I'm

definitely in the dissident media for

sure and I have a lot of love for those

people a lot of those people are my

family my friends you know a lot of the

politics I very much agree with

conservatives the lot and a lot of love

for the dissident media too but um I

just don't want to call myself that and

then have people be like okay well this

thing or that thing you did isn't

conservative I'm I just rather be like

okay fine like don't call me that that's

okay if you guys want a very strict

label I think that's okay you protect

that right but um I critique it a lot

because I understand it better like

maybe if I was in left-wing politics for

a long time I could do a lot more

internal critique of that and I already

have done a lot of outward critique but

I'll do a lot of internal critique

because I think the best thing you can

do is look Inward and try to fix the

things that you are doing and putting

out into the world and there's some

frustration often within that audience

they're like well you're you're a

traitor right and it's like

no love comes with honesty like if you

are constantly like let's say you're

you're married and your partner is going

out they've got food in their teeth you

know they smell bad everything like well

I got to constantly affirm them I you

look amazing you're doing great sweetie

like perfect and they go to the job

interview they don't get it the person's

disgusted by them well did you really

help them by not pointing

out like let's let's fix some things

here let's like but there's such a

compulsion um to not self-critique when

you get in these groups because that

means making your allies

uncomfortable sometimes and the group

dynamic is not always going to like that

it's the left has problems with it the

right has problems with it everyone does

genders have problems with it and within

the you know the media Sphere for

conservatives just as once again an

example like if you go into your and I'm

maybe you probably have the same thing

your background of your like YouTube

statistics 90% of the audience of these

videos politics in general is going to

be male like 90% for most of these even

not for you yeah for me for everyone 80

to 90% for most creators that are in the

political rightwing sphere and that's

just you know people can make whatever

analysis they want of that but I'm just

saying like a video saying all right men

let's look Inward and consider how women

might be correct in these positions

that's just not going to do well it's

just not going to do well right so you

get this feedback loop and then you know

vice versa Jezebel magazine whatever it

is they're going to have like a 80 to

90% female audience and doing a video

saying well actually you know here's

where men might be correct and where you

might be being over emotional and

misinterpreting them that's not going to

do well people are going to be like I

don't want to read that and that

feedback loop of like okay you've gone

through a horrible breakup or had this

situation of let's look up the specific

situation I'm in on Google and why I'm

right everyone does that to make

themselves feel better because they

already feel so attacked they already

feel so in pain they just want something

to sooe them to make it feel like I did

the right thing it's not me and the

internet has every possible flavor of

it's not you so you talk a lot about

self-reflection on a personal level on a

political level on a social level but so

what about an economic level what about

a lot of those people who right now are

not in a good place financially because

I know a lot of your content covers like

how much chaos the world's in and how

like what a hard time it is to be alive

right now how much that you think is

based on luck and how much do you think

is like again the common denominator

being the person in the bad financial

situation that is a very good question

because we were talking about this

earlier just for my own um episode with

you and about your kind of positive

vision for how you approach trying to

build up your wealth and I'm like okay

well here's all of the negatives that

are facing young people the reason I

tend to focus more on being sympathetic

to people that are economically

struggling is once again because of the

background I come from I come from a

sphere where it is very hardcore swung

on the pull yourself up by your

bootstraps like if you are poor it's

your fault like that's kind of the

background I come from and I do think

that has helped people like get their

butt up and just be like I don't care

how hard this situation is I'm going to

make it work no matter what and that's

helped me in my own life within the past

four years I had like nothing in my bank

account you know I was like no idea what

I'm going to do or where I'm going to go

and I was able to build back and get my

life back together and part of that

comes from the way I was raised the

attitude that was imprinted on me but

also good for you by the way thank you

thank you yeah I'm pretty proud of

myself actually for that one um but also

I know that there

is the the self-reflection there is

actually me saying okay but is there

something I can understand from people

who are in that hard position can I like

try to put myself in their shoes from

this perspective I come from and

say what are the challenges that could

seem insurmountable to them how can we

sympathize while still encouraging

people to work hard and try to pull

themselves out and and that's more of

the self-reflection because of my

background so one person's

self-reflection is going to look very

different from anothers depending on

where their Baseline is now your uh

criticism that Echoes a lot in in your

postings now is immigration can can you

touch on what's going on in Canada

what's the immigration crisis that

Canada's facing yeah um I I think I've

it's so hard to talk about immigration

because I'm a little more self-aware of

what other people are interpreting when

I say immigration like they're like okay

you just hate brown people you just hate

people that are different than you and

it's not there are so many factors that

have absolutely nothing to do with that

you're you're becoming a lot more

careful well it's not even about being

careful I'm just like I actually want

people to understand what I'm saying I

actually just want you to understand

like I just don't want IA used to not

care care that much when I was younger

when people didn't understand what I was

saying because I almost found it

entertaining I'm like look how mad they

are look how wrong they are like they

don't even know what I'm saying like

you're just an idiot and in reality when

everyone or when lots of people are

Miser understanding you you kind of need

to sit there and be like okay how can I

explain this better that's another

self-reflection Point that's fair that's

fair but

um

fundamentally humans that are very

similar to you that have grown up in the

same environment as you they speak the

same language they have the same

cultural you know icons that they look

to if you were to talk about your

childhood you could talk about the same

place you got ice cream from as a kid

you have all of these similar reference

points those people that have a 100,000

points of reference together that are

similar obviously you can understand

each other better because the reference

points but they have a hard enough time

as it is loving one another being kind

to one another being good and and not

misinterpreting one another you look at

marriages even within communities that

are very similar similar values similar

morals they still fall apart people

still go crazy people still Rob and

murder each other and treat each other

horribly um we really are being naive

when we think we can just mesh a bunch

of people with a thousand billion

different reference points and very few

points of common um reference together

and not have problems and and not have

total you know discon act we're talking

like we have immigration here where

people don't even speak the same

language you're talking like refugees

Asylum well no no no our like our

immigration just like the legal normal

system everything there's a joke within

Australia that it's like uh what's

what's the um difference between someone

who applied for immigration to uh let me

try to figure out how this works but

it's like yeah what's the thing in

common to an immigrant in Australia and

Canada that's from India oh they both

applied for Australia but they have like

yeah they have um much higher rates of

like your English proficiency for

Australia like yeah requirements so if

you failed well you just apply for

Canada next so I think you're going to

have a lot less problems with

immigration in countries that have

higher standards for no you actually

have to be able to be cohesive with the

people in your community you have to be

able to communicate with them you have

to be able to get a job and generally

in society we are lowering those

standards all the time in part because

immigration is being used as a tool to

keep up the rich and Elites Ponzi scheme

of property here in Canada tell us about

that that was a mouthful tell us about

that um the entire Canadian economy

we're like in a debt economy right now

where everyone's money is just tied up

in the housing market and if that were

to crash everything would collapse right

and I think even you'd agree with that

yes okay um

and so the kind

of the mode of operation of our

government right now is just keep the

housing costs up at all all costs like

no matter what and that means keep

prices up because all of our like yeah

if this crashes the whole Ponzi scheme

fails and one of the ways to do that is

mass immigration if you have too many

people for the houses that exist well

there's going to be a lot of people

competing and increasing those prices

right fighting for Supply demand it's

very simple you think but like the the

liberal government they pretend to be

idiots they around they're building yeah

they build 10,000 houses in three years

in a town London Ontario where they're

inviting 30,000 people every year you

know whatever it is the rates are just

completely the the math is not mapping

yeah in this you know we're talking

500,000 immigrants a year and that's not

even including like student visas you

know all the illegal IM a to 200,000

houses being built every year and that's

up substantially the 500k number as well

yeah it's going up every year and it's

that's in a country where we already

don't have enough houses for the people

living in it so that's just necessarily

going to keep those housing prices up up

up up up no matter what and it's getting

to a point where it's almost like

they're expecting the people in Canada

to just lower their standard of living

to the people that they're inviting into

the country so someone who has come from

a very poor country and you know I I get

it I understand I do the same thing that

they're doing there's no hate there

right it's just a hatred for what the

government plan is for the people that

are like my family and friends in my

community they want us all to be okay

with living 20 to 40 people to a house

you know all pooling in our resources

from our minimum wage jobs to pay for

that like the people that they're

shipping in who are doing that right now

we all know it you can go look at all

the videos of B basically slumlord

complexes in Toronto and Vancouver for

Indian immigrants and students that

they've created which is disgusting and

they just want us all to lower our

standard of living to living like that

and then when we were talking earlier

about wages and competing for lower

wages this is big corporations that love

the fact that oh okay local Canadians

don't want to work this backbreaking job

for minimum wage like every day horrible

pay no benefits that's okay we'll invite

someone instead of instead of adjusting

our wages to what the people here will

work for so that there's like an

equitable trade of you know the

corporation investing in the population

and the population investing in the

business no we'll just ship someone in

from overseas who has a lower standard

of living and lower standards for what

their wages are and then Canadians

you're just not going to get a job if

you don't lower your standards wow and

it's just absolute corporate political

takeover of the population the

politicians you can look at it they've

all got their investment for for

portfolios property all over the place

right they want to keep these numbers up

for themselves and their families and

then the corporations are making tons of

money off of driving down wages with

mass immigration and then you have the

delusional kind of liberal left-wing

commentator class that are like you're a

racist if you criticize this love the

work in class and they I I don't know if

it's delusion or if it's because they're

employed by the same very politicians

and media corporate complex that are

doing this and they've just kind of

falling into line with lying to the

populace and destroying your reputation

if you criticize what's going on but

that's what it feels like or maybe they

are just that delusional I don't know it

could be a tossup right so is there a

level of immigration that's okay that

you think of or is it systems or what

fixes the immigration problem is it just

no immigration or no I think there is a

level of immigration that is fine we've

had normal levels in the past that were

sustainable where our infrastructure was

keeping up and that's another thing that

the immigration people never talk about

they say well why don't we just build

more houses okay well let's deal with

you know the problem we have now we got

to build the houses first like let's

stop you know close the floodgates and

catch up like you can't just build these

things overnight but even so okay we

build a ton of houses the neighborhood I

grew up in when I was younger Langley BC

some people you know you can drive down

the roads there it's completely

different it's it actually like hurts my

soul when I drive through there cuz it's

just townhouse Central it's starting to

look like been developed clarify yeah

it's devel looks nice but it used to be

trees it used to be parks and it's just

like housing housing housing housing

housing like you can't see anywhere

urban

sprawl and people don't realize that

when you do that there's a lot more

infrastructure as well like let's use

our brains school fire hospitals are our

hospitals keeping up we know damn well

our hospitals are not keeping up the

waiting times have gone way through the

roof people are dying waiting for their

treat

the infrastructure is not keeping up the

roads Highway One anyone you know

driving from Vancouver to Langley to

abbottford it's like getting impossible

you're sitting in traffic all day long

you you can only great build tons of

houses okay hospitals schools you know

walking trails going to the beach

anymore and not even being able to find

somewhere to sit like the quality of

life is dropping drastically as well

when you don't have this infrastructure

in place which we don't so it's quite

obvious that it's just this Ponzi scheme

of keep that housing price up don't care

how it's affecting people and that's not

even mentioning the social aspect that I

was explaining at the be beginning of

this where it's like we are having

communities just quarantine themselves

into tiny little micro cities and

countries of their own ethnic group that

speak the same language whether it be

you know the Crystal Mall area or

Richmond I'd take you there and drive

you through if you had more time but

even the M's advertising property are

all in Chinese there they're not even I

want to know about this area well this

is it's like all Chinese everyone that

lives there is Chinese speaks Chinese I

mean if you're it's like 20 minutes it's

near the airport w we are okay anyways

um yeah that area it's pretty close you

can just drive in and about there or the

guru and en act Temple area in Suri

which is 80 to 90% ethnically Indian and

you know people aren't speaking English

there you've got the kistan problems or

you've got Korea Town areas and then

you've got little like white enclaves as

well and everyone's it's actually

creating the opposite of this

Multicultural Kumbaya state that people

said we could achieve we were closer to

that to that in the '90s when you had

people of different ethnic groups that

had the same kind of interests Hobbies

were talking to each other we growing up

in the same communities and like when

you were younger you know when I was

younger like when you were hanging out

with someone who is of a different

ethnicity they had generally they had so

much in common with you because they

were just another kid whose parents up

here and they're like yeah you all the

same well now it's like an immigrant

from an immigrant town where everyone

speaks their own language and they don't

really trust Outsiders from that area

and even like down to like the gangs our

gangs are turning into ethnic gangs that

are fighting each other in ethnic

conflicts it's

like it there it's hard for people to

assimilate if I were to move to another

country I don't think I could assimilate

all their values language and customs in

my lifetime it would probably be my

children and their children maybe their

children my children's children that

could do that right it takes a long time

people don't change overnight even when

you get married to someone from another

culture people marriages break up over

that like it takes a long even when you

love this person and you want to be a

part of it and we're not even

necessarily talking about people who

love and want to be part of Canada for a

lot of people it's just an Economic

Opportunity like I want to take

everything I can get from this place and

send back home to my family well of

course I mean if you come from Syria or

turkey or Venezuela or whatever or a lot

of refugees they don't even want to be

here they'd rather be home but

unfortunately the West destabilized

their countries with their horrible

foreign policy and I don't blame them

for that but let's not lose sight of the

reality that this whole ethnic Kumbaya

religious Kumbaya all of these things uh

it it there's very real Community

conflict that occurs we see that how did

the West destabilize in Europe oh I

think you know four and Wars that

shouldn't have taken place in a lot of

countries you know um there's an amazing

video of the French or is it

Italian what's the Italian president's

name i i on the tip of my tongue yeah

yeah she

lovesi her the name she loves Elon her

her what is her name it's going to kill

me I can see her face find out we need

to know we must know uh and and as I

pull that up of course course this is

the first thing I see on my phone of

course of course yeah this is what

people wear in Canada right oh yeah

that's what we all all wear I hate it

thank you I already my country my

country is sad enough thank you Kevin I

thought all your heads were going to be

like split yeah yeah that's

us there it is Maloney Georgia Maloney

yeah there's a video of her speaking

about

um I to just find the video but where

she's talking about uh like economic

meddling in Africa from FR France like

basically taking all their resources

giving them essentially pennies to the

dollar for what they're getting and and

talking about it's on all levels it's

not only Wars It's economic meddling

it's going in and

um you're like explain your foreign

policy problems with the West okay let

me go back to University here and write

an essay for you it's like I'm not going

to have it on the tip of my tongue

that's okay I'm like oh my gosh this is

just a given now I'm being asked for

details I'm sorry I'm [ __ ] it's okay

do you think someone no I do I do think

I will I will stand on the talking point

that if you gave me time to sit down and

write an essay about all of the foreign

meddling in other countries I 1,000%

would be confident with the time I get

you specific examples somebody like VI

or Trump who would be more likely to to

in your opinion in America maybe solve

that foreign meddling and you know VI

has this idea that let's let's just free

fre the boundaries in Ukraine stop

spending money in uh you know to to

Israel for invading the Gaza Strip where

do you stand on some of these things and

and the the idea of uh someone like VI

being able to solve all of America's

problems you know I guess it comes down

to uh I I want to stress the fact that I

don't think the destabilization and the

reasons people are leaving their home

countries are all entirely their own

fault some of them are you know some of

them are you know you got a lot to get

together in your own country and your

own Customs are kind of messed up and

some of you are trying to escape them

because you don't agree with them um but

then I'd also stress the fact when it

comes to foreign policy I look at on a

smaller scale our own internal foreign

policy like just policies from our

federal government towards small

communities and how detached they are

like do you think that someone who's

living in your own Community you know a

thousand people around you is going to

have a better idea of the problems that

need to be solved in your neighborhood

than a politician on the other side of

country everyone's going to say it's

going to be the person in their

community and when I it's almost like

telling in itself that you're asking me

like give me these examples of foreign

policy I don't understand it well enough

and I don't even think our politicians

do half the stuff that they're voting on

you you saw Vic talked to um when he

started

asking what's her face Nikki Haley to

name three you know just three cities in

Ukraine three regions UK or whatever she

didn't mention a single Nikki Haley it's

most of us just don't understand this

foreign policy stuff enough to be

meddling in it to such great degrees

pumping so much money into it sending

troops there and I don't think I'm any

sort of expert on these things but I do

know that on a local level you just have

a lot more capacity to actually

understand and live the issues yourself

and so what are the solutions and create

Solutions because you've lived them so

so really what you need is you need it

sounds like would you agree with

economic success where you have economic

growth and then building out like slowly

expanding existing communities or or how

do you add more housing if that then

does take the trees away and you have

Town Homes right so like where's the

balance well I think it's it's

this definite like too much expansion

and globalization all at once for a

population who all of this is very new

to I mean too rapid of a change it's far

it's far too rapid of a change you look

at just technology and we all like once

again it's one of those undeniable

things where researchers are like oh wow

we're starting to study and find that

screen time causes depression there's

lots of shocking results it's like well

yeah this is like a a new thing in all

of human history like we're we're

learning we're just learning to live

with just learning some of the new

technology of the computer and now we've

got the iPad and now we've got the AI

and now we've got the oh my gosh what's

coming next we're just not adjusting

fast enough and you can even see it on

Facebook when you look at Boomers and

interacting with like Tik Tok videos

that are quite clearly Ai and they're

like oh my gosh there's an alien in

California right now or look at that

train crash and it's all fake and I see

these thousands of comments and likes

and shares and I'm like holy the human

mind is not adjusted to technology to

this technology yet in a way that we can

responsibly use it and I think that goes

for our immigration rates right now as

well uh we can humans I think we have

very similar core programming um I think

there's Divinity and goodness in all of

us but I also think there are very very

large differences between people groups

even people groups that are the same

ethnicity if you come from different

areas like to pretend oh croatians and

serbians they're both white they'd be

besties right are you like delusional

you know like there's like such a

ethnocultural like difference history

there that needs to be unpacked and

understood and communication that needs

to occur to such a deep level and to

just throw a bunch of people in the span

of 10 years into a community with

extremely different values and expect

that everything's going to be Kum bya

delusional insane and people don't want

to accept this they they like the easy

safe cutesy answer of we're all just

going to have a great time and get along

but that's not reality and that's

actually setting people up for failure

and that's setting people up for more

racism I Reon we are going to be far

more racist 20 years from now than we

are now like I was saying with we're

seeing the ethnic divides because

immigra racism will get worse for sure

you know it's so interesting because in

Europe uh Angela Merkel pushed for

accepting as many Syrian refugees as

possible I think the count is now over 2

million Syrian refugees in a country

that it's roughly the population of

Canada uh what's remarkable is this

migration has now really promoted the

popularity of the uh alternative F they

well the far right parties are winning

all across Europe because of immigration

and this is exactly what I'm saying it's

like actually if you are liberal and you

want there to be Kumbaya like ethnicity

is all getting along then you want the

slowest immigration possible at a rate

that is going to make people assimilate

and learn each other's languages as it's

the rate of change that matters well you

know it also like the ethnic enclaves

that I grew up with here in Canada and

once again this is probably why

immigration became such an issue to me

at such a young age was I lived I grew

up watching this okay um where one of

the most we are I think the most Asian

City outside of Asia here in um you know

Vancouver and you know you there there

are much worse immigration cultures that

you could deal with than you mean in

terms of clash differ in terms of clash

for sure but there's still is Clash

there and it h when it's happening at

such a great rate um there's no longer

an incentive to actually assimilate or

communicate to anyone outside your in

group okay why would I go and I join

Canadian culture and learn English when

I can just go and Slot right in here

where it's easy and everyone already

speaks the same language as me and I've

already got my cousins and brothers and

everyone and people that have the same

cultural reference points as me and

that's what I'm talking about with

cultural reference points it's very hard

to create new ones and to like start to

simil become similar in them uh and to

the point that people just won't if

don't have to so what you're going to

see is countries forming within

countries and then splitting off it's

going to be like the Balkans you know oh

my gosh that's I'm from the Balkans it's

a terrifying thought yeah so you've been

very critical of of immigration at least

current immigration policy uh another

thing on the internet at least that

people hold you really critical of is uh

Islam to the point that a lot of people

will say that you're an islamophobe so

would you say that that's something

where like do you are you critical of

Islam because as you said earlier it's

taboo and it's something that you can't

be critical of do you not like the

religion itself or would you say you're

critical of all religions and people are

picking on you for no reason um I I

would say that it definitely when I was

younger it was like I saw a sacred cow

of the media where I'm like okay I watch

you guys criticize Christianity all the

time and I just simply do not see that

same energy being brought to Islam so it

was very much a devil's advocate okay

you're not going to talk about this well

I will and I think this does definitely

create a

um like

I can see you looking at it from the

outside and being like well all she does

is this when in my mind I'm like okay

well I'm trying to balance out the

conversation so when the Islam stuff

became like there was way more of an

outpouring of criticism from a ton of

people you can even see in my content I

kind of backed off I'm like okay all of

the criticism I've said I've said and

there's a lot of people filling that

blank and I think even some of them are

you know maybe not holding that same

energy for other uh religions or other

bad ideas out there uh but also it would

feel silly for me to come out and be

like okay well here's the criticisms of

Christianity I have when I would just be

repeating like a thousand left-wing

academic think pieces government thing

like it's just so out there already I

just don't see the point of it and you

know there are criticisms of aspects of

Christianity that I would have and I

know I say that coming from a Christian

background but it's it's a very

all-encompassing religion with a lot of

different people in it and a lot

different offshoots and sects of the

faith right but um certainly at the time

I was in media it was like yeah Islam

was that golden calf that you simply

could not touch and if if I had but I

look at it and I'm like if I had grown

up in a time

where Christianity or something else

whatever it might be you know there was

a golden calf out there that was

completely different um I probably would

have been criticizing that instead I

probably would have had a very different

politic I career cuz I just kind of have

a compulsion to question power certainly

when I was younger would would you now

almost hold back a little bit until

maybe others are questioning a little

bit first and then join the conversation

okay so you can see this in like I came

out as one of the big anti-feminist

commentators in 2015 201 anist Anin so

like I literally you know I I I'm not

super proud of it but I understand where

I was coming from but I would go to

these protests and I'd like question

feminist protesters that would like put

tape on their boobs and be like let's

fight rape culture I'm like you know

what is this doing what is running

around naked putting tape on your boobs

like realistically doing and some of the

points that I was making I understand

but the way I was doing it like going

into an environment where people are

already in a super heightened state

they're not thinking super logically

they're not the academics they're not

going to be the smartest people that are

able to like steal man and defend this

ideology if anything it's possibly where

I'm going to get the worst sampling of

commentary and then blasting that on the

internet for clicks I do think I

contributed to a very unhealthy

political environment by doing this but

um also was at a time where feminism was

the golden calf no one could question it

you were a bigot you were all of these

things if you had any ideas about hey do

you think we could be taking this too

far do you think there's like a side

where there's some sympathy we can have

for men and understanding for men here

and so I was trying to once again play

that Balancing Act but now I've seen a

lot of this red pill content come out

and it's like all women are [ __ ]

trying to steal your

resources and I've done commentary on it

where I'm like this is delusional you

guys are just acting like feminists you

distrust all women you're taking data

and you're completely twisting it this

is like crazy you know like but are you

holding back on this um I probably could

talk on it more but I feel like because

I've just gone through a divorce myself

I'm like okay it's it's also personal to

me so I've like experienced firsthand

some of the ideological stuff that I

bought into on the internet of whether

it be ideas about what happens in

divorce to men versus women or in

relationships who's at fault who's more

likely to leave like my personal

experience was so different from what

the right-wing conception of

relationships are that I realize it's

also a bit personal to me so without

getting personal takeaways oh but I I

just wanted to comment like I will

comment when I feel I can just make like

a very logical I'm like okay this is

just wrong but I do try to hold back a

bit because I understand that a lot of

people's commentary is coming from a

personal place and I'm like it's it's

not healthy it's not necessarily a great

thing

to use the political debate sphere as

your own personal Outlet sure I mean

okay so a few things on package here

Peter Schiff during the Occupy Wall

Street movement had a viral video of I'm

the 1% yes and confronted the Occupy

Wall Street uh you know

protesters I respected that and I kind

of respect you for having just described

what you did about what so what are you

protesting about what has made you see

that as

bad

well

H when

I it's it's the way that people consume

content as much as How It's Made and I

know a lot about how content is made and

I know a lot about how people consume it

having spent 10 years doing this and you

know when I do a video talking to

feminists that are screeching on the

street it's very entertaining to watch

right it's very funny but then I find

myself 10 years later watching a video

about a guy going on the street and

interviewing women like oh like would

you cheat on a guy or how much should a

man earn and every single answer is I'm

not going to date a man unless he's 6'2

and earning $5 million and then the

video concludes you know this is why

women are Gold Digging [ __ ] and then

every single comment below is this is

why I don't date women [ __ ] women blah

blah blah and I'm like oh like I know

you interviewed 30 people and cut out

every reasonable answer from that I know

the people watching this think this is

representative of all women when I don't

know a single woman in real life who

would give an answer like that you've

gone onto the streets of Miami and found

like the most you know

materialistic Miami girls at 2

a.m. and then you're presenting this as

reality and the people watching this are

typically going to be internet addicts

so they're not actually engaging with

the real world that much and the more

they watch this content the less they

want to engage with the real world and

they're getting trapped in a spiral of

delusion like literal delusion but I

think you're counterbalancing there

there needs to be more of

Lauren not

less and then I'm but I'm human and I

look at the things I've done and the

mistakes I've made and I'm like mistakes

am I the counterbalance can I be the

counterbalance or while staring into the

abyss just uh you know have the abyss

stare back into me I can't help but feel

you sound a little

defeated yes and no yes in the sense

that

I I I think it's like I recognize that

I've needed to go through this like

Twilight of the Soul this quieting of my

life and introspecting and understanding

everything went through I had a very

strange life and I don't have a lot of

people that I know that can relate with

the life I had you know I was one of the

first political viral figures and then a

lot of everyone on the other side of

politics thought I was like a literal

monster like Nazi trying to kill people

and then everyone on my side of politics

when I took a break and stepped away

because of government or a lot of people

on my side of politics when I took a

break and stepped away because of

government intervention in my life uh

there were a lot of people that

slandered me and tried to wreck my

reputation and you know threw me away

and now that I have some introspection

about the things I've seen in life

experience you know a lot of people are

just too much in that cycle of wanting

the 100% affirmation for their own

political ideas that I've come back and

I feel a bit politically homeless it's

like oh wow my real life contradicts a

lot of the ideas people have online that

are really easily slotted into and I

could sit here and I could memorize

every single talking point I would need

to say and repeat it with as much

enthusiasm as possible to go viral and

have millions of views on my videos

again whatever like that's I I see the

formula I know what you have to do but I

don't have it in me because I've

experienced firsthand some of the

consequences

of actually truly believing in some of

these ideologies but not understanding

the nuances and not understanding how

the real life works and I would how real

life works and I would not want to

perpetuate that more well I I think that

it was very eloquently said thank you

for that that is unfortunately I think

very common on social media now it's

that you might not truly believe

something but then you spout it not you

specifically but somebody might spout it

on Twitter like uh you know whatever

conspiracy it might be and then that is

really really popular because it echoes

a feeling or a sentiment but it

completely misses sentiment or or or

Nuance rather it misses all the Nuance

but people make their livings off of

that and that seems to

amplify uh uh hate rather than

understanding so it seems like the only

way to counterbalance that is by trying

more but I don't know is it fruitless no

no no I think no I I I wouldn't say give

up it's

H it's interesting it's like a balance

of I want

to I I it's not so much I want to I'm

afraid of the internet and I'm afraid of

being in politics and I'm defeated and

all these things it's that I actually

have something I care about and I want

to protect

and it's like I care about being a real

human I care about not being consumed by

these things M I care about my child I

care about my family I care about the

real relationships I have and I know all

of us have the capacity to be consumed

by the people we can become online and

the worlds that we can entrench

ourselves in and the politics and the

battles and I

know very deep like deeply how easily

people lose themselves to that world how

easily people abandon and hurt friends

for a little bit of money for a little

bit of power how easily they forget

about the people they love at home while

they're traveling the world and life

passes them by and they find themselves

addicted to drugs at the head of the

political game and they don't even know

who they are anymore and I am more

afraid of losing the journey I am having

of rebuilding my soul and the social

connections I have and the people I love

then I am afraid of politics that's what

I'm actually afraid of

wow sorry wow this is yeah this this is

uh this is intense uh you've gone

through one hell of a roller coaster the

last four years not just with uh the

divorce that you've gone through but

with the rebuilding and and uh uh gosh I

mean even I couldn't just imagine what

you've had to go through with just being

able to try to travel to visit your

family and then being banned from

countries I'm sorry it's been pretty

wacky thanks you know I I wouldn't take

back a minute of it I'm not it's given

me a lot

of depth of soul to understand people

that have been through some pretty crazy

things and it doesn't matter like I was

talking to a friend of mine um recently

who their parents got divorced when we

were younger when we were kids and I was

like I actually don't think until I went

through all the pain in my life in my

20s that I could deeply sympathize and

understand you to the level that I do

now when we were kids like I just

couldn't be there for you and you in a

way because I hadn't experienced that

level of my world falling apart and so

it's like it's actually there's a lot of

blessing in pain and there's a lot of

things you can rebuild and a lot of

strength that comes with it so I don't I

don't you know H I hate this to be seen

it's like oh W is me because it's really

not like I have at the end of the day I

feel like I won I really do I I have

everything I could possibly want in my

life right now interal contentment

internal contentment I'm happy with the

journey I'm on I have everything I need

to survive I've rebuilt my life I have

an amazing Community amazing friends

I've got got just amazing people in my

life that are here right now like it's

it's been so cool and I still feel like

I am going through that Journey where I

haven't decided all right well this is

just the person I have to be and these

are the lines I have to say and this is

like the life I have to live or I can't

survive and I'm just going to drone on

like no every day is a new battle to

rebuild my soul and who I am and I still

have the opportunity every day

to I'm going to take an entirely

different course I don't have to be

Lauren Southern right-wing commentator

do I still find some of those ideas

interesting and correct yeah and guess

what if I think they're correct I get to

choose to say that I didn't have to

change my tune and say I'm a left Wier

now and I revolt against and cancel

everyone I used to know because guess

what there are a lot of right-wingers

far right-wingers people that would

scare you guys that I love and I think

of beautiful souls there are a lot of

people that are far left that I love and

think of beautiful souls and

they um people in the world are a lot

more complicated than just what you see

on the screen like way more complicated

and way more interesting in real life

and when you actually try to get to know

them and see the good in them he you

you're under no obligation to be the

same person you were five minutes ago I

think that's something really important

that people Miss well that's what the

internet gets wrong it's like you watch

a video of me from 2016 oh that's Lauren

that's that's like 5 Seconds Of My Life

are you crazy like so I want to ask a

question that on the episode that's

going to be on on your channel Kevin you

talked about asking all of your

classmates how many of you wake up every

day thinking today is going to be a

better day than it was yesterday what's

your answer to that and has that changed

at in the last five years

H I am much happier now than I am than I

was at the height of my political career

so to speak I woke up with so much

anxiety every day so much anxiety about

like getting on and maybe you people

have kind of been you know trending on

the internet multiple times or whatever

they probably understand the feeling of

like getting on a plane and not having

connection and like literally sweating

like what is going to be on Twitter when

I land go yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly

you know it you know that feeling you

gonna be okay over

there um and I don't live with that

anymore and that's very nice and yeah I

do wake up thinking even if I'm not

thinking this is going to be a better

day I definitely think this there's an

opportunity for this to be a better day

yeah and I think that's all you need is

to know that there's the opportunity if

you make the right move just keep trying

to do the next right thing as what is it

Elsa says all my movie references are

Anna thank you love you

girl get all these Disney VHS tapes

behind us too yeah no I've got a kid so

all I'm doing is watching kid movies

there I'm I've like I watched Lilo and

Stitch the other night and I like cried

times in it with with with your my side

we do like movie Nights yeah oh I I love

oh go ahead yeah I don't know I love kid

movies I feel like rewatching them when

you're older it's like a whole different

you kind of see a whole new message than

what you saw when you were younger it's

not like the action scenes and

everything it's like the deeper message

n has a different personality when

you're an adult right yeah absolutely

sister yeah beautiful movie you nailed

the Tucker Carlson production you

predicted nineish months ago that Tucker

would

not go back to traditional media that he

would stay independent uh or go

independent and uh come up with some

kind of uh subscription model which is

exactly what he did yeah I it doesn't

surprise me that's I kind of feel like

that's been the course of most people

that have left the mainstream media

because I think a lot of people are

realizing back in 2015 2016 the Heyday

of the political right when they were

really like bouncing off they you could

make a lot of money just doing a

fundraiser or go fund me like I want to

do a project like just donate um but

unfortunately because the political

sphere really got inundated with scams

you know we live in a scam economy

almost every I'd say 75% of the calls I

get are literally scam calls right it's

just people trying to the trust in our

society has just been broken so much um

and unfortunately the trust between and

I I say unfortunately but I'm honestly

glad people woke up to it the trust

between the public and the political

figures wanting to represent them has

been very broken so it's had to become

businesslike you know contracts

transaction subscription it it's much

less donations because of all the scams

whether it be we're going to build you a

wall we're going to start this company

if you just donate we're going to start

um yeah people don't Can't Survive like

that back in 2015 I think Tucker could

have done like a totally free no

subscription service just donate but I

I've been I've been watching these TR

for a long time so I'm like okay we're

at this period of the trust between the

audience and the public and Tucker's got

enough people that want to see

consistent high quality content that it

can become like a bit more of a Netflix

thing what happened to your show with

him you had a you had a video or movie A

we did a really fun production took his

team off like off-roading and shooting

out here and talked about the state of

Canada it was called O Canada and it was

going to be about Trudeau and

essentially America's need to invade

Canada and save us but um I literally

went to LA I filmed a promotion episode

with Tucker like a month before it was

going to be released it was awesome all

went up and then like I feel like it was

like a week later Tucker got fired from

Fox News and they just memory hold the

whole documentary and it was done

editing it it was going to be awesome

which I think is such a shame and such a

speaks a lot to the decisions at Fox

News that it's like wow a lot of people

put effort into this film a lot of

people poured their hearts and souls out

people in my community like took their

time off you know just regular people

that that's important to them they

they've got regular jobs regular lives

and they really went out of their way to

make this work and the disrespect of

being like well our petty thing with

Tucker I mean maybe just to caveat maybe

there was something in the Dominion

lawsuit or whatever that said they

couldn't publish any more Tucker content

and there was a certain day that it had

to stop by but I feel like it was a bit

more of a petty like Tucker's got to go

and so does every single bit of his

content like at the very least yeah I

don't know give the rights to them to

publish it at some point it's a shame

it's a shame I'm sorry that happened oh

yeah I mean it's um I've worked on once

you've worked in media like I I kind of

go into every project assuming it might

not get published or like your whole

interview might get cut that's just how

it works like I've done a lot of I did

an interview last winter with like a

mainstream CTV or something here in

Canada that just I have no idea what

happened to it you know you take your

time you go do it and

half the time I feel it's like oh that

interview was a little too good and had

a few too many points I guess we're

going to cut the whole interview because

we can't embarrass like the Canadian you

know dissident media personality so we

just won't do

it my gosh crypto oh speaking of scam

economy

right you're take

crypto I have invested in crypto I have

you

know worked with a ton of different

exchanges before in the past and I have

a lot of friends that are into crypto

and over the last few years I've seen

particularly from a Canadian perspective

all of these exchanges shutting down

going bankrupt having a billion lawsuits

against them having the Canadian

government put so many so much pressure

and new policies in place that they can

barely function and half my email inbox

from all of the crypto stuff I was

involved with like years ago is just

like this account is shut down this

one's shut down this one like you have Z

in your account or you have this much

what do you want to do you have like two

days to get it out and I just can't help

but think that and once again this is

just a Canadian perspective though like

I can't speak to like larger markets and

what people are seeing on their end like

quadriga was one that I recently saw

bitrex recent email about you know their

shutdown um I think that probably is

making people a little worried about is

this even going to be like a viable

currency or like totally government

controlled to the point that it's very

difficult to use um and you know the

government's intention on wanting to

like tax and track all of your earnings

uh you have to like scan your passport

to put it into coinbase and like get all

all your tax forms everything like it

has lost what made it really special

when it becomes like that uh you wanted

crypto because you didn't want the

government to know what you were doing

with your money not so that they could

track every single earning you're making

and make sure they get their cut too

yeah once they have your wallet they see

even more than yeah yeah it's so that's

a bit um disappointing but I don't know

like there I feel like

those cybernauts the people I I don't I

wouldn't trust myself to make those kind

of

predictions but um no I feel like the

those folk that are really trying to

create a revolution against the

government on the internet with these

different web three I barely understand

it but I've been to their conferences I

respect them immensely they've got all

their different um approaches

um whether it be 3D printing guns like

the ghost Gunner site or the web 3

people uh they're smarter than me and I

think they are enjoying the cat and

mouse game they're playing with the

government and I feel like they'll

always exist to some degree used to be a

gamer you play any games now um I'm

playing a lot of Mario a lot of Mario my

little one Mario Kart that's a always

Mario Cart yeah um Mario Party um what's

your console of choice what are you

playing these on I'm playing on WI

actually it's my Wii uu from when I was

younger the one I bought and the other

day my son saved over like one of my

first save files on it and it was

like I was like no it's time for a new

generation but we enjoy I try to keep it

like you know to a very um moderated

time so exciting that one's a little too

spooky right now okay um what have I

played recently

on I mean when I did game a lot it was

lots of League of Legends like I used to

play every day before school it was not

good it was

bad I I love that so the reason I

brought that up is because of this

comment three years ago uh from an

interview that we had virtual interview

three years ago Lauren confesses her

gamer past and credentials Kevin was

about to propose until she revealed she

only invests in crypto will there be a

second

date it seems like a lot has changed and

now we're meeting in person we are

meeting in person again yeah why do you

hate Gamers is this a me no no I oh no

it says you're about to okay I'm

understanding it sorry I'm like I'm

losing my brain here we go the issue is

the not investing in anything but crypto

have you have you Diversified yes I got

to diversify the

profile Fair well apparently I'm just

useless unless I buy property oh no and

I live in Vancouver so I don't know if

they're ever coming back for another

interview I got I have to buy Vancouver

property in order to be acceptable here

in this space so related to this earlier

you guys had a sweet moment so I'm going

to try to get you to fight now um let's

go so Kevin you've been an advocate for

like you know if you have to spend some

time away from hanging out with your

friends and get the second or third job

like Now's the Time to do it you know

don't be lazy if you want to get ahead

if you want to get the house oh no in

one of your recent videos you said and I

quote uh the next time you see someone

who looks like they're about to go off

on a Zoomer about just skipping spending

time with your friends to afford a house

or get a second or third job let them

know that these kids these days are all

just lazy sjws with nose piercings and a

little bit later you say there's some

damn hardworking ones referring to

Zoomers out there they have just not

been given any of the tools or a lot of

them any of the tools or understanding

of what's gone wrong and how to fix it

and it's our job to help fill in those

blanks for the institutions and media

true I don't know who this their parents

have failed them Wow fight yeah I well I

think it does come back to like that

Baseline again where you come from um

and my Baseline is very much the

conservative pull yourself up by your

bootstraps but also the people that I've

been around I'm in a very like high

functioning space on both the autism

spectrum and the work Spectrum like

politics all of these people are work

247 right work so much that you need to

be taking double atals to like keep

working so and so where the place I'm

coming from I'm looking at the

commentator sphere and they're like

these kids aren't working hard enough

and I'm

like you're working too hard like you

need to chill do you have a social life

outside of this you know like a lot of

those people I'm like it would do you

well to take a break and relax so that's

where my Baseline is coming from and

that's also once again when you have

people who are addicted to work

critiquing people for not working enough

it it rings a little more

Hollow oh oh do we have someone who's

addicted to work here well probably

uh uh I actually think we need more of

exactly what you just said I think my

whole theme today has been like how can

Lauren post more videos because I

actually think that's come like you

people you want me to join look into the

abyss and have the abyss look back into

me and become an internet addict even

more no we selfishly need you to tell us

to work less okay okay fair enough fair

enough it's like so this is a perfect

place to shout out that we did a great

talk on your channel I don't know or

wherever you'll post it but we did this

great talk on trying to evaluate like

there's this balance between what

lifestyle you want to choose and how

much you want to work and there is a you

can balance having a fulfilling job and

uh and Building Wealth versus maybe

giving up I think maybe is that a

synopsis finding that balance I think we

could say uh but uh yeah I think it's

also fair for you to bring up that yeah

like there is struggle right now right

with you were quoting your video about

how there's struggle in Zoomers who are

trying to work a full-time job and once

they add in their commute they they

don't have time to work out or spend

time with friends or family or whatever

else and that feels unbalanced so then

the question becomes how do you fix that

and the best way to win people over

whether it be a political debate you

know talking to friends economics

doesn't matter is to acknowledge where

someone is right and then give them

where you think you're right and they

don't understand but if you're not

acknowledging where they're right

they're not going to believe anything

you're saying Zoomers know firsthand

what the economy and job markets and the

housing costs are like it's out there

you can look at the data like they're

purchasing power is like 86 87% less

than Boomers that's not invented right

and they know this so when you look at

them and you say well no we worked

harder than you and we're in the same

economy and you're just being lazy

they're going to look at you and not

believe a single thing you say so if you

want them to work harder you say you're

right yeah this economy is messed up

exactly your approach it is messed up

there's a lot wrong here but you still

got to keep fighting yeah that they're

going to listen to you when you actually

acknowledge the reality that they're

living in oh 100% yeah that that's

interesting I didn't even think about it

from that perspective but yeah trying to

think of like because I remember that

video the one that you're talking about

because I've watched it as well and it's

it's touching because the person is

frustrated like hey I work at 8 in the

morning and I've got to commute and I

can't afford to live close to my work so

I have to you know I don't get home

until 6 or whatever uh and that is hard

and it does suck and then then you know

H how do we solve from from there well

you know the only solutions are well

let's start with what other hours do we

have well we have all Saturday we have

all Sunday we have the hours before work

and the hours after work if those become

unproductive because of the depression

and frustration of that core say 50

hours and the other 70 hours of the week

go to waste then then let's start

solving for Waste I think you made a

really good point here with the kind of

Tik Tock reals culture where it's like

something that used to take 5 minutes

takes 30 minutes you go to the washroom

and then you spend you know an extra 20

minutes on top of that like scrolling

your phone getting stuck there you're

going to bed you're staying up an extra

few hours and then you sleep in more cuz

you were scrolling your phone and so

that time that would have been spent

doing fulfilling things making it feel

like you're living your life is

disappearing and getting consumed by

technological progress and all of these

influencers that need your eyes 24/7 to

make their own careers which is once

again my criticism of a bit of the

online culture yeah and um but uh yeah

it's I I think it's also this problem of