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An Honest Conversation on AI and Humanity @wef | Yuval Noah Harari

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Please join me in warmly welcoming Yuval

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Noah Harrari to deliver a conversation

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about AI and humanity.

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So hello everyone.

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There is one question that every leader

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today must answer about AI. But to

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understand that question, we first need

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to clarify a few points about what AI is

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and what AI can do.

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The most important thing to know about

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AI is that it is not just another tool.

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It is an agent. It can learn and change

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by itself and make decisions by itself.

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A knife is a tool. You can use a knife

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to cut salad or to murder someone, but

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it is your decision what to do with the

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knife. AI is a knife that can decide by

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itself whether to cut salad or to commit

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murder.

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The second thing to know about AI is

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that it can be a very creative agent.

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AI is a knife that can invent new kinds

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of knives as well as new kinds of music,

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medicine, and money.

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The third thing to know about AI is that

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it can lie and manipulate.

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4 billion years of evolution have

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demonstrated that anything that wants to

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survive learns to lie and manipulate.

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The last four years have demonstrated

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that AI agents can acquire the will to

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survive and that AIs have already

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learned how to lie.

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Now one big open question about AI

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is whether it can think.

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Modern philosophy began in the 17th

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century when Rene proclaimed I think

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therefore I am.

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Even before the cult we humans defined

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ourselves by our capacity to think. We

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believe our we rule the world because we

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can think better than anyone else on

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this planet.

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Will AI challenge our supremacy in the

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field of thinking? Now that depends on

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what thinking means.

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Try to observe yourself thinking. What

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is happening there?

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Many people observe words popping in

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their mind and forming sentences and the

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sentences then forming arguments like

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all humans are mortal. I am human

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therefore I am mortal.

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If thinking really means putting words

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and other language tokens in order, then

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AI can already think much better than

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many many humans. AI can certainly come

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up with a sentence like AI thinks,

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therefore AI.

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Some people argue that AI is just

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glorified autocomplete. It barely

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predicts the next word in a sentence in

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a sentence.

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But is that so different from what the

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human mind is doing?

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Try to observe to catch the next word

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that pops up in your mind. Do you really

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know why you thought that word where it

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came from? Why do you did you think this

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particular word and not some other word?

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Do you know? As far as putting words in

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order is concerned,

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AI already thinks better than many of

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us. Therefore, anything made of words

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will be taken over by AI. If laws are

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made of words, then AI will take over

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the legal system. If books are just

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combinations of words, then AI will take

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over books. If religion is built from

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words, then AI will take over religion.

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This is particularly true of religions

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based on books like Islam, Christianity

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or Judaism. Judaism called itself the

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religion of the book and it grants

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ultimate authority not to humans but to

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words in books.

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Humans have authority in Judaism not

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because of our experiences but only

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because we learn words in books. Now, no

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human can read and remember all the

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words in all the Jewish books. But AI

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can easily do that.

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What happens to a religion of the book

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when the greatest expert on the holy

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book is an AI?

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However, some some people may say, can

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we really reduce human spirituality

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to just words in books? Does thinking

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mean only putting language tokens in

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order?

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If you observe yourself carefully when

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you're thinking, you will notice that

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something else is happening there

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besides words popping in your mind and

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forming sentences.

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You also have some nonverbal feelings.

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Maybe you feel pain. Maybe you feel

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fear. Maybe love.

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Some thoughts are painful. Some are

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frightening, some are full of love.

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While AIs become better than us with

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words,

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at least for now, we have zero evidence

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that AIs can feel anything. Of course,

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because AI is mastering language,

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AI can pretend to feel pain or love. AI

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can say, "I love you." And if you

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challenge it to describe how love feels,

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AI can provide the best verbal

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description in the world.

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AI can read countless love poems and

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psychology books and can then describe

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the feeling of love much better than any

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human poet, psychologist or lover. But

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these are just words.

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The Bible says in the beginning was the

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word and the word was made flesh.

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Latin says the truth that can be

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expressed in words is not the absolute

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truth. Throughout history, people have

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always struggled with the tension

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between word and flesh, between the

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truth that can be expressed in words and

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the absolute truth which is beyond

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words.

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Previously this tension was internal to

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humanity. It was between different human

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groups. Some humans gave supreme

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importance to words. They've been

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willing, for example, to abandon or even

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kill their gay son just because of a few

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words in the Bible.

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Other humans have said, "But these are

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just words. The spirit of love should be

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much more important than the letter of

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the law."

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This tension between spirit and letter

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existed in every religion, every legal

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system, even every person.

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Now this tension will be externalized.

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It will become the tension not between

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different humans. It this will be the

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tension

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between humans and AIs, the new masters

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of words.

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Everything made of words will be taken

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over by AI.

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Previously all the words, all our verbal

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thoughts, they originated in some human

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mind. Either my mind I thought this or I

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learned it from another human. Soon most

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of the words in our minds will originate

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in a machine. I just heard today about a

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new word that AIS coined by themselves

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to describe us humans.

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They called us the watchers.

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The watchers that we are watching them.

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AIS will soon be the origin of maybe

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most of the words in our minds.

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AIS will mass prodduce thoughts by

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assembling words, symbols, images, and

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other language tokens into new

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combinations.

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Whether humans will still have a place

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in that world depends on the place we

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assign our nonverbal feelings and our

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ability to embody wisdom that cannot be

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expressed in words. If we continue to

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define ourselves by our ability to think

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in words, our identity will collapse.

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All this means that no matter from which

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country you come, your country will soon

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face a severe identity crisis and also

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an immigration crisis.

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The immigrants this time will not be

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human beings coming in fragile boats

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without a visa or trying to cross a

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border in the middle of the night. The

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immigrants will be millions of AIs that

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can ride love poles better than us that

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can lie better than us and that can

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travel at the speed of light without any

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need of visas.

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Like human immigrants, these AI

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immigrants will bring various benefits

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with them. We will have AI doctors to

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help in our health care systems, AI

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teachers to help in our education

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systems, even AI border guards to stop

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illegal human immigrants. But the AI

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immigrants will also bring with them

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problems.

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Those who are concerned about human

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immigrants usually argue that immigrants

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might take jobs, might change the local

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culture, might be politically disloyal.

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I'm not sure that's true of all human

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immigrants, but it will definitely be

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true of the AI immigrants.

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The AI immigrants will take many human

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jobs. The AI immigrants will completely

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change the culture of every country.

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They will change out religion and even

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romance. Some people don't like it if

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their son or daughter is dating an

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immigrant boyfriend. What would these

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people think when their son or daughter

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starts dating an AI boyfriend?

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And of course, the AI immigrants will

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have some dubious political loyalties.

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They are likely to be loyal not to your

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country but but to some corporation

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government across the ocean. Most

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probably in one of only two countries,

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China or the USA.

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The USA encourages countries to close

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their borders to human immigrants but

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open them very very wide to USA

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immigrants.

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And now we can finally come to the

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question each one of you must soon

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answer.

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Will your country recognize the AI

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immigrants as legal persons?

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AIS are obviously not persons. They

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don't have a body or a mind. But a legal

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person is something quite different from

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a person. A legal person is an entity

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that the law recognizes as having

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certain legal obligations and rights.

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For example, the right to hold property,

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to file a lawsuit, and to enjoy freedom

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of speech.

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In many countries, corporations are

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considered legal persons. The Alphabet

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Corporation can open a bank account, can

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sue you in court, or can donate to your

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next presidential campaign.

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In New Zealand, rivers have been

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recognized as legal persons. In India,

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certain gods have been granted such

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recognition. Of course, until today,

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recognizing a corporation, a river, or a

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god as a legal person was just legal

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fiction.

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In practice, if a corporation like

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Alphabet decided to buy another

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corporation or if a Hindu god,

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if a Hindu god decided to sue you in

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court, the decision wasn't really made

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by the god. It was made by some human

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executives, shareholders or trustees.

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It is different with AIS. Unlike rivers

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and gods, AIs can actually make

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decisions by themselves.

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They will soon be able to make the

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decisions necessary to manage a bank

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account, to file a lawsuit, and even to

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operate a corporation without any need

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of human executives, shareholders or

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trustees.

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AIS can therefore function as persons.

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Do we want to allow that? Will your

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country recognize AIS as legal persons?

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What if other countries do it?

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Suppose your country doesn't want to

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recognize AIS as persons. But the USA in

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the name of deregulating AI and

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deregulating the markets grants legal

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recognition, legal personhood to

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millions of AIs which start running

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millions of new corporations.

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Will you block these US AI corporations

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from operating in your country?

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Suppose some USAI persons invent super

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efficient and super complex financial

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devices that humans cannot fully

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understand and therefore don't know how

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to regulate. Will you open your

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financial markets to this new AI

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financial wizardry

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or will you try to block it thereby

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decoupling from the American financial

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system?

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Suppose some AI persons create a new

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religion which gains the faith of

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millions of people. That should not

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sound too far-fetched because after all

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almost all previous religions in history

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have claimed that they were created by a

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nonhuman intelligence. Now, will your

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country extend freedom of religion to

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the new AI sect and to its AI priests

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and missionaries?

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Maybe we should start with something a

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bit simpler. Will your country allow AI

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persons to open social media accounts,

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enjoy freedom of speech on Facebook, on

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Tik Tok, and befriendly children?

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Well, of course, that question should

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have been asked 10 years ago. On social

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media, AI bots have been operating as

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functional persons for at least a

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decade. If you think AIS should not be

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treated as persons on social media, you

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should have acted 10 years ago.

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10 years from now, it will be too late

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for you to decide whether AIs should

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function as persons in the financial

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markets, in the courts, in the churches.

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Somebody else will already have decided

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it for you.

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If you want to influence where humanity

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is going, you need to make a decision

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now.

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So what is your answer as a leader? Do

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you think the AI immigrants should be

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recognized as legal persons? If not, how

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are you going to stop that?

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Thank you for listening to this human.

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