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we're getting a sort of a reversal on a

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lot of the um excitement yesterday in

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Cloud uh yesterday when I covered

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Microsoft's earnings one of the big

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things I uh talked about was this idea

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that

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I'm nervous about Cloud I was I was

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initially optimistic by the Microsoft

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results prior to them providing their

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forecasts right their forecasters were

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tanked uh the market but I was initially

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concerned about Microsoft uh well the

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software sector thinking that I would

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prefer to be in the chip sector mostly

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because you have higher free cash flows

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and in my opinion you have higher

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pricing power longer term uh just given

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the the uh the capex requirements in uh

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in essentially manufacturing and Chip

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design then uh than in compared to

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software I believe software is

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substantially more competitive and I

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think this is very simply exemplified by

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Taiwan semiconductors which has a 92

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percent uh a grasp on the advanced

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microchip Market that is massive this is

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a massive grasp that they have now of

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course uh the software sector is is also

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getting a lot of negative attention not

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just now because of the negativity

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coming out of the earnings call from

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Microsoft which apparently was also

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suffering technical difficulties which

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doesn't help but also there there are

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substantial downgrades that we're seeing

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from Wall Street for example prior this

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is prior and then I want to cover what

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happened with Microsoft prior to the

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Microsoft report application we we had

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uh Wall Street reports suggesting that

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application software companies likely

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face Revenue downgrades ahead of Q4

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earnings calls several percentage points

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of growth expectations may be shaved off

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going into 2023 analysts think that

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average revenue growth rates could come

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in below 15 while the current consensus

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for software is 17 to 18 now I want you

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to keep that in mind that the consensus

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is 17 to 18 software growth because

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we're about to go through the Microsoft

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earnings report and uh well we're going

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to go through the earnings call and

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while Azure Microsoft Azure actually

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beating expectations uh for the last

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quarter their forecast was not not so

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great in fact spoiler alert their

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forecasts were for Azure was flat for

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the next quarter and forecasts from Wall

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Street were that future Cloud growth

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would be somewhere between 17 to 18 in

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aggregate

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you've got uh consensus estimates here

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uh that I'll go ahead and show up on

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screen now these are consensus estimates

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here and you can see Revenue growth

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consensus estimates calendar period here

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bill.com expecting to have grown double

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in 2022 but only growing by about 36 to

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30 percent in 23 24. now that's not like

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actually terrible that's actually still

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pretty dang good into it expected to

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only grow about eight percent in 2023

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followed by 13 uh we've got ADP over

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here seven and seven paycom 2322 GoDaddy

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six nine Shopify coming down to 2022

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Squarespace 11 and 14 Wix 9 14

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average consensus here 17 to 18 percent

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uh just based on on sort of this uh this

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group here we do notice obviously that

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uh Microsoft is is not in this uh

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this list here but uh uh you know coming

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in with essentially flat expectations

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for growth on Azure not great and that

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comes despite uh expectations that the

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server industry will actually do well

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downgrades uh coming due to obviously uh

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slower commercial seat adoptions uh or

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expectations for that slower consumer

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growth limited pricing leverage that's

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actually interesting because you're

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going to see that in the Microsoft

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earnings call in just a moment you're

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going to see limited pricing leverage

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which I like to call PP so you're going

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to see limited PP why are you going to

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see limited PP well because you're going

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to see Microsoft Executives talk about

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optimizing growth uh and that's not them

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optimizing growth it's their customers

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optimizing and they think we're actually

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going to go through about a one-year

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period of optimization now they believe

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that once you optimize and after you

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optimize then you will be able to get

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back to doing more work however they

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think we're going to go through a a

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one-year period of optimization

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lengthier sales cycles and slower

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approval time frames are potentially

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likely to stall user expansion and limit

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pricing a power suggests a Bloomberg the

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net percentage of business owners

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expecting the economy to improve is

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close to all-time lows at negative 51

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percent and this is likely to weigh on

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discretionary tax spending keep in mind

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yesterday we were looking at Mike

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Wilson's Morgan Stanley report

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uh or Mike Wilson's uh flood report I

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should say from Morgan Stanley uh and uh

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we we talked about uh exactly business

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confidence and how potentially low that

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business confidence is right now and how

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I actually think when business

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confidence is low it's one of the best

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times to potentially cannibalize your

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competition work harder and do your best

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to keep growing and not Contracting very

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important uh okay so let's go jump into

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that Microsoft earnings call so

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Microsoft earnings call right here

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so let's take a look I'm just going to

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read the in my opinion the most Salient

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pieces that doesn't mean I hate

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everything here just doing my best here

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uh so we've got the CEO here suggesting

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as I meet with customers and partners a

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few things are increasingly clear just

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as we saw customers accelerate their

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digital spend during the pandemic we are

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now seeing them optimize that spend

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that's a red flag right optimizing spend

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is basically a euphemism for uh people

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ain't spending as much money with

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Microsoft step Pro

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we saw new highs for game pass on gaming

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with game streaming hours and monthly

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active devices at records surpassing 200

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or 120 million devices during the

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quarter that's fantastic

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and thanks to lower energy costs they uh

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they were actually able to uh increase

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their uh margins on Microsoft cloud

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better than expected by two percentage

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points a year over year however

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excluding the impact of an accounting

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estimate for useful lives whoopsies

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Microsoft Cloud

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hold on one second here Microsoft cloud

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gross margin percentage decrease roughly

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one percentage Point driven primarily by

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a sales mix to Azure so apparently a

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little bit of a lower pricing structure

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there if you introduce a lower mix you

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end up with a lower

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a lower margin uh keep that in mind I

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think a lot of folks get confused by

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that I'll just explain that really

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quickly so let's say that you run a

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dollar store and I love this Dollar

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Store example I think it's the easiest

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to understand you're the owner of a

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dollar store when you sell the little

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water guns squirt guns for a buck it

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only costs you 10 cents per squirt gun

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to buy so you're looking at 90 cents of

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gross profits a dollar Revenue cost of

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goods sold 10 cents 90 cents a gross

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profit right that's on little squirt

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guns at the dollar store let's say but

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now let's say it's a recession and

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people are coming in going sorry Charlie

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yeah bite your finger we're not buying

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you a squirt gun this time instead said

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we have to spend the dollar that we have

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on toothpaste and the toothpaste margins

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are a lot worse because when you go

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shopping for toothpaste you actually

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have to spend 80 cents to acquire that

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toothpaste well now your growth profit

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gross profit is a buck minus 80 cents or

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20 cents substantially less and so

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that's an example where somebody could

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still spend a dollar on your goods and

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services on your gas so to speak uh

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that's an accounting phrase uh but your

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your margin went to crap instead of

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having 80 cents a gross profit you only

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have 20 cents a gross profit terrible to

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your margins got destroyed because

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people shifted to a product that has

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lower margins for you unfortunately it

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sounds like compared to Microsoft cloud

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Azure uh provides a lower margin

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it's quite interesting okay uh however

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they are excited about Azure with

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constant currency growth in the mid 30

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percent that's Looking Backward just

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wait for the forecast all right ready

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for that here we go

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so Microsoft tells us in our Commercial

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Business we expect business trends that

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we saw at the end of December to

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continue into January February and March

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while customers are more cautious in

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their spend we also have the opportunity

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to improve our execution given our

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strong position in global growth markets

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in commercial bookings with a declining

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expiration base or expiring base and a

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strong prior year of comparable

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sales essentially for Azure contracts we

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expect growth to be womp womp womp

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relatively flat year over year we expect

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consistent execution across our core

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annuity sales motions blah blah blah

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basically hey we think the company is

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still going to do great and we're super

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excited about our company but

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unfortunately the Slowdown we saw in

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December is going to continue in January

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and uh and then everybody else is at

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fault we're still performing and firing

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on all cylinders but everybody's just

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spending less money and unfortunately

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that means instead of being excited

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about 30 growth for Microsoft Azure

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we're actually going to be flat and

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given that Bloomberg is pricing in 18 to

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20 percent uh or Wall Street potentially

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is pricing in 18 to 20ish percent maybe

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it was 17 to 18 anyway growth for cloud

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and we're going to be growing at a grand

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total of zero maybe we'll even be

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negative things just ain't that great

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right now okay that's like my like super

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basic explanation of what Microsoft said

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and so if you're wondering why uh in the

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pre-market you are seeing software

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companies sell down c3ai down about 2.75

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you've actually got trade desk down 2.5

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percent crowd strike down 2.5 Microsoft

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down 2.4 uh I mean almost the entire

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software as a Services business has has

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rotated down on these Microsoft earnings

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this is why although most of the market

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is red here in pre-market including the

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solar companies uh such as uh and phase

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uh sun power and Sunrun all down about

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four to four and a half percent solar

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Edge only down about three percent I do

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expect that to continue so if you are

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exposed to solar stocks I do expect that

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sort of pain to continue however I

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expect there to be some opportunities to

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really increase your share of ownership

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in solar companies once we get to more

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pain in the real estate sector

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in Azure our per user business should

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continue to benefit from the Microsoft

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365 sweet momentum though we expect

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continued moderation in the growth rate

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given the size of our installed base in

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other words thank you law of large

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numbers law of large numbers means once

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you have so many people on your platform

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it's really hard to continue growing and

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ultimately you just hope to keep things

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stable oh no but what do we have here as

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I noted earlier we exited the last

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quarter of 2022 with Azure growth in the

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mid 30s

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we expect Q3 growth to potentially

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decelerate four to five points in

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constant currency

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so that is uh you know to be reiterated

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by over here about this potential uh

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growth that is flat year over year so in

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other words uh

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uh this is actually a little bit

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confusing and constantly I don't know

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expect Q3 growth to say this I wonder if

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this is this could be overall uh I

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wonder if this right here must be

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overall growth or sweet growth since

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they did say Azure they expect to be

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somewhere flat but either way I mean you

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could see the information here and try

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to make your own deduction

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um in our on-premise server business we

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expect Revenue to decline in the low

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signal digits uh that is a revenue

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decline I said that correctly Revenue

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decline low single digits that's a

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decline of again maybe three four

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percent as demand for our hybrid

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Solutions will be more than offset by

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the unfavorable Foreign Exchange impact

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search and advertising excluding total

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acquisition costs should be in the high

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single digits roughly seven points

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faster now this is actually good right

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we like to hear that advertising spend

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is up and you are seeing companies like

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Carnival Cruise Lines for example boost

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their spending substantially just to try

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to fill up ships that's what they're

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really trying to fill up right now is

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they're trying to make sure that if they

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are sailing which they are they are

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sailing with the highest amount of

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potential paying customers

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Tech has a percentage of GDP is likely

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to be higher going forward however this

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is uh this is a this is a subtle way of

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saying hey look you know even if we go

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into a recession uh we think people are

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going to spend less money on other

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things relative to Tech in other words

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if the rest of the world Falls I'm just

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going to make an extreme example here 10

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and spend Tech might only fall five

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percent and spend just as an example

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right that's roughly what they're making

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an argument there of

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and one of the things we're looking back

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to or some savings uh for workloads and

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that's okay this is the optimization

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cycle that I was talking about where at

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first you optimize you take about a year

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to optimize and then you can start

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thinking about new projects this is

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really the CEO of trying to this is

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really the CEO trying to paint this

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Vision that hey look man in life we

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optimize and and sometimes you go

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through about a year of optimizing and

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then you're back at making money again

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so don't worry the future is bright for

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Microsoft I don't think it's going to

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take two years I think it'll take one

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year of pain so in other words a little

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bit of um you know trying to

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exemplify what's going on uh Microsoft

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is doing so uh however still painting

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the picture of pain so if you're

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wondering why we're having some software

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issues this could potentially be why now

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I I want you to also think logically for

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a moment about software okay so let's

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let's understand this for a moment

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let me give you an example let's say you

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have a team of interns and you want

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everyone to make uh I don't know to add

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to edit tick tocks okay and what you're

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going to do is you're going to buy

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everyone uh an Adobe Cloud subscription

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so that they that way they could use

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Premiere right you want everyone on

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Premiere editing your your tick tocks

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right let's just say as an example and

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then let's say you go into a recession

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and you're a normal company with I don't

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know a thousand interns right

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well in boom time you're like everybody

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gets an Adobe Cloud subscription let's

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go a thousand Cloud seeds well in a

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recession most businesses say okay well

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we're actually not going to hire uh new

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people we're actually going to lay off

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and we're going to be stuck with uh

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let's just say 900 people instead of a

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thousand well immediately what you've

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done for Adobe is you've actually not

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provided Cloud growth you actually just

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provided Cloud contraction because by by

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laying off people in a recessionary time

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what happens well you just cut 10 of

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your Workforce well you just took away

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10 seats from Adobe but not only that

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you might also say hey do we really need

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900 seats or how about like

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300 of y'all just borrow the other

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dude's login or computer when you need

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it since 300 of y'all are focused on I

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don't know playing basketball more

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instead or basically doing something

15:41

else at the company let's just in

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addition to laying off people let's also

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optimize how many people we're paying

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for cloud seats for so now all of a

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sudden we're going to take that down to

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600. so all of a sudden you have a 40

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drop in in seats that are being offered

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to Cloud uh subscription services and so

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what do you have well you have a

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disaster all right so so this this is a

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situation where

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it's basically if you're growing at zero

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so basically if if you're a cloud

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provider and you could keep like Revenue

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stable during a recession you're

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actually doing good so as much as

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Microsoft is sort of this this negative

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Canary in the coal mine for software

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services companies zero percent growth

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in a recessionary environment is

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actually good when it comes to Cloud

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especially in an environment where we're

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seeing as many Tech layoffs as we are

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seeing so that's something pretty

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important to pay attention to uh my take

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now uh how could this affect the chips

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Market it's actually a great question

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Shane Huff here in our chat asked that

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question how will Microsoft affect chips

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like Taiwan semiconductors and AMD yeah

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so first it's worth noting them open AI

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uses uh Microsoft uh cloud services and

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most of the cloud services provided by

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Microsoft use hard Hardware like

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Nvidia chips mostly in video chips but

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also AMD chips and obviously a reduction

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in the expansion in cloud makes us

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Wonder like hey isn't it possible if if

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Cloud spend is going to go down that

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chip spent could go down absolutely and

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I think a lot of that we have already

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seen we've already seen a lot of that

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pain uh now there were some pieces which

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I thought was actually very interesting

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there were some pieces that I was

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reading about yesterday let me see if I

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can find it here there were some pieces

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about how we could potentially actually

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see an acceleration uh in uh Microsoft

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or sorry in chip spent as the demand

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for

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a higher quality servers accelerates the

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refresh cycle for chip spend so keep

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that in mind as as these Cloud companies

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want to get back to growth they have to

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figure out okay well how do we

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potentially

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uh differentiate ourselves from our

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competitors well unfortunately the way

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you differentiate yourself from your

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competitors is you try to prove that

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your product is a better product or a

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faster product or a more capable product

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and unfortunately you do that by

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refreshing the chipsets that you have in

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your server industry or your server

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division so uh well obviously we expect

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the chip sector to slow down there is at

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least some enthusiasm that as Cloud

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slows down

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companies that suffer from those Cloud

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slowdowns are going to be very

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incentivized to try to get back to

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growth as quickly as possible

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potentially double down on their

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investments into chips to make that a

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potential reality

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that's just an idea uh you know I think

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ultimately everything slows down when we

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go into a recession Hardware uh

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certainly being one of those sectors

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that that is expected to slow down uh

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and a lot of that fortunately seems to

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have been priced in already obviously no

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guarantees on that but

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um that's uh that's quite interesting in

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fact I have a piece here let me see I'll

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read this out because I think the

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question is very good this isn't exactly

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the one that I was looking for but this

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one could be interesting talks about

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Taiwan semiconductors and Samsung sales

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Taiwan semiconductors and Samsung and

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other foundries could expect revenue of

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their Advanced packing business key to

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producing chiplet based semiconductors

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to double by 2025 and become a major

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growth structure chiplets structures are

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likely to become increasingly popular in

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laptops following the introduction of

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amd's

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first

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shiplet-based laptop semiconductor

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that's quite interesting I think this

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has to do with the

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five nanometer chipsets I'm actually not

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super familiar with chip chiplets and I

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can't find that piece right now but I'm

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gonna try to Google it really quick uh

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server chips uh shorter shorter refresh

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cycle that's what you kind of want to

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look for is that potential

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server refresh cycle

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I will do one more hike uh look here but

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uh I'm generally a big fan of being the

20:32

pickaxe seller versus uh investing in

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the gold

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now uh that can come with risks

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obviously as well because it does still

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rely on the gold performing very well

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