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we're getting a sort of a reversal on a
lot of the um excitement yesterday in
Cloud uh yesterday when I covered
Microsoft's earnings one of the big
things I uh talked about was this idea
that
I'm nervous about Cloud I was I was
initially optimistic by the Microsoft
results prior to them providing their
forecasts right their forecasters were
tanked uh the market but I was initially
concerned about Microsoft uh well the
software sector thinking that I would
prefer to be in the chip sector mostly
because you have higher free cash flows
and in my opinion you have higher
pricing power longer term uh just given
the the uh the capex requirements in uh
in essentially manufacturing and Chip
design then uh than in compared to
software I believe software is
substantially more competitive and I
think this is very simply exemplified by
Taiwan semiconductors which has a 92
percent uh a grasp on the advanced
microchip Market that is massive this is
a massive grasp that they have now of
course uh the software sector is is also
getting a lot of negative attention not
just now because of the negativity
coming out of the earnings call from
Microsoft which apparently was also
suffering technical difficulties which
doesn't help but also there there are
substantial downgrades that we're seeing
from Wall Street for example prior this
is prior and then I want to cover what
happened with Microsoft prior to the
Microsoft report application we we had
uh Wall Street reports suggesting that
application software companies likely
face Revenue downgrades ahead of Q4
earnings calls several percentage points
of growth expectations may be shaved off
going into 2023 analysts think that
average revenue growth rates could come
in below 15 while the current consensus
for software is 17 to 18 now I want you
to keep that in mind that the consensus
is 17 to 18 software growth because
we're about to go through the Microsoft
earnings report and uh well we're going
to go through the earnings call and
while Azure Microsoft Azure actually
beating expectations uh for the last
quarter their forecast was not not so
great in fact spoiler alert their
forecasts were for Azure was flat for
the next quarter and forecasts from Wall
Street were that future Cloud growth
would be somewhere between 17 to 18 in
aggregate
you've got uh consensus estimates here
uh that I'll go ahead and show up on
screen now these are consensus estimates
here and you can see Revenue growth
consensus estimates calendar period here
bill.com expecting to have grown double
in 2022 but only growing by about 36 to
30 percent in 23 24. now that's not like
actually terrible that's actually still
pretty dang good into it expected to
only grow about eight percent in 2023
followed by 13 uh we've got ADP over
here seven and seven paycom 2322 GoDaddy
six nine Shopify coming down to 2022
Squarespace 11 and 14 Wix 9 14
average consensus here 17 to 18 percent
uh just based on on sort of this uh this
group here we do notice obviously that
uh Microsoft is is not in this uh
this list here but uh uh you know coming
in with essentially flat expectations
for growth on Azure not great and that
comes despite uh expectations that the
server industry will actually do well
downgrades uh coming due to obviously uh
slower commercial seat adoptions uh or
expectations for that slower consumer
growth limited pricing leverage that's
actually interesting because you're
going to see that in the Microsoft
earnings call in just a moment you're
going to see limited pricing leverage
which I like to call PP so you're going
to see limited PP why are you going to
see limited PP well because you're going
to see Microsoft Executives talk about
optimizing growth uh and that's not them
optimizing growth it's their customers
optimizing and they think we're actually
going to go through about a one-year
period of optimization now they believe
that once you optimize and after you
optimize then you will be able to get
back to doing more work however they
think we're going to go through a a
one-year period of optimization
lengthier sales cycles and slower
approval time frames are potentially
likely to stall user expansion and limit
pricing a power suggests a Bloomberg the
net percentage of business owners
expecting the economy to improve is
close to all-time lows at negative 51
percent and this is likely to weigh on
discretionary tax spending keep in mind
yesterday we were looking at Mike
Wilson's Morgan Stanley report
uh or Mike Wilson's uh flood report I
should say from Morgan Stanley uh and uh
we we talked about uh exactly business
confidence and how potentially low that
business confidence is right now and how
I actually think when business
confidence is low it's one of the best
times to potentially cannibalize your
competition work harder and do your best
to keep growing and not Contracting very
important uh okay so let's go jump into
that Microsoft earnings call so
Microsoft earnings call right here
so let's take a look I'm just going to
read the in my opinion the most Salient
pieces that doesn't mean I hate
everything here just doing my best here
uh so we've got the CEO here suggesting
as I meet with customers and partners a
few things are increasingly clear just
as we saw customers accelerate their
digital spend during the pandemic we are
now seeing them optimize that spend
that's a red flag right optimizing spend
is basically a euphemism for uh people
ain't spending as much money with
Microsoft step Pro
we saw new highs for game pass on gaming
with game streaming hours and monthly
active devices at records surpassing 200
or 120 million devices during the
quarter that's fantastic
and thanks to lower energy costs they uh
they were actually able to uh increase
their uh margins on Microsoft cloud
better than expected by two percentage
points a year over year however
excluding the impact of an accounting
estimate for useful lives whoopsies
Microsoft Cloud
hold on one second here Microsoft cloud
gross margin percentage decrease roughly
one percentage Point driven primarily by
a sales mix to Azure so apparently a
little bit of a lower pricing structure
there if you introduce a lower mix you
end up with a lower
a lower margin uh keep that in mind I
think a lot of folks get confused by
that I'll just explain that really
quickly so let's say that you run a
dollar store and I love this Dollar
Store example I think it's the easiest
to understand you're the owner of a
dollar store when you sell the little
water guns squirt guns for a buck it
only costs you 10 cents per squirt gun
to buy so you're looking at 90 cents of
gross profits a dollar Revenue cost of
goods sold 10 cents 90 cents a gross
profit right that's on little squirt
guns at the dollar store let's say but
now let's say it's a recession and
people are coming in going sorry Charlie
yeah bite your finger we're not buying
you a squirt gun this time instead said
we have to spend the dollar that we have
on toothpaste and the toothpaste margins
are a lot worse because when you go
shopping for toothpaste you actually
have to spend 80 cents to acquire that
toothpaste well now your growth profit
gross profit is a buck minus 80 cents or
20 cents substantially less and so
that's an example where somebody could
still spend a dollar on your goods and
services on your gas so to speak uh
that's an accounting phrase uh but your
your margin went to crap instead of
having 80 cents a gross profit you only
have 20 cents a gross profit terrible to
your margins got destroyed because
people shifted to a product that has
lower margins for you unfortunately it
sounds like compared to Microsoft cloud
Azure uh provides a lower margin
it's quite interesting okay uh however
they are excited about Azure with
constant currency growth in the mid 30
percent that's Looking Backward just
wait for the forecast all right ready
for that here we go
so Microsoft tells us in our Commercial
Business we expect business trends that
we saw at the end of December to
continue into January February and March
while customers are more cautious in
their spend we also have the opportunity
to improve our execution given our
strong position in global growth markets
in commercial bookings with a declining
expiration base or expiring base and a
strong prior year of comparable
sales essentially for Azure contracts we
expect growth to be womp womp womp
relatively flat year over year we expect
consistent execution across our core
annuity sales motions blah blah blah
basically hey we think the company is
still going to do great and we're super
excited about our company but
unfortunately the Slowdown we saw in
December is going to continue in January
and uh and then everybody else is at
fault we're still performing and firing
on all cylinders but everybody's just
spending less money and unfortunately
that means instead of being excited
about 30 growth for Microsoft Azure
we're actually going to be flat and
given that Bloomberg is pricing in 18 to
20 percent uh or Wall Street potentially
is pricing in 18 to 20ish percent maybe
it was 17 to 18 anyway growth for cloud
and we're going to be growing at a grand
total of zero maybe we'll even be
negative things just ain't that great
right now okay that's like my like super
basic explanation of what Microsoft said
and so if you're wondering why uh in the
pre-market you are seeing software
companies sell down c3ai down about 2.75
you've actually got trade desk down 2.5
percent crowd strike down 2.5 Microsoft
down 2.4 uh I mean almost the entire
software as a Services business has has
rotated down on these Microsoft earnings
this is why although most of the market
is red here in pre-market including the
solar companies uh such as uh and phase
uh sun power and Sunrun all down about
four to four and a half percent solar
Edge only down about three percent I do
expect that to continue so if you are
exposed to solar stocks I do expect that
sort of pain to continue however I
expect there to be some opportunities to
really increase your share of ownership
in solar companies once we get to more
pain in the real estate sector
in Azure our per user business should
continue to benefit from the Microsoft
365 sweet momentum though we expect
continued moderation in the growth rate
given the size of our installed base in
other words thank you law of large
numbers law of large numbers means once
you have so many people on your platform
it's really hard to continue growing and
ultimately you just hope to keep things
stable oh no but what do we have here as
I noted earlier we exited the last
quarter of 2022 with Azure growth in the
mid 30s
we expect Q3 growth to potentially
decelerate four to five points in
constant currency
so that is uh you know to be reiterated
by over here about this potential uh
growth that is flat year over year so in
other words uh
uh this is actually a little bit
confusing and constantly I don't know
expect Q3 growth to say this I wonder if
this is this could be overall uh I
wonder if this right here must be
overall growth or sweet growth since
they did say Azure they expect to be
somewhere flat but either way I mean you
could see the information here and try
to make your own deduction
um in our on-premise server business we
expect Revenue to decline in the low
signal digits uh that is a revenue
decline I said that correctly Revenue
decline low single digits that's a
decline of again maybe three four
percent as demand for our hybrid
Solutions will be more than offset by
the unfavorable Foreign Exchange impact
search and advertising excluding total
acquisition costs should be in the high
single digits roughly seven points
faster now this is actually good right
we like to hear that advertising spend
is up and you are seeing companies like
Carnival Cruise Lines for example boost
their spending substantially just to try
to fill up ships that's what they're
really trying to fill up right now is
they're trying to make sure that if they
are sailing which they are they are
sailing with the highest amount of
potential paying customers
Tech has a percentage of GDP is likely
to be higher going forward however this
is uh this is a this is a subtle way of
saying hey look you know even if we go
into a recession uh we think people are
going to spend less money on other
things relative to Tech in other words
if the rest of the world Falls I'm just
going to make an extreme example here 10
and spend Tech might only fall five
percent and spend just as an example
right that's roughly what they're making
an argument there of
and one of the things we're looking back
to or some savings uh for workloads and
that's okay this is the optimization
cycle that I was talking about where at
first you optimize you take about a year
to optimize and then you can start
thinking about new projects this is
really the CEO of trying to this is
really the CEO trying to paint this
Vision that hey look man in life we
optimize and and sometimes you go
through about a year of optimizing and
then you're back at making money again
so don't worry the future is bright for
Microsoft I don't think it's going to
take two years I think it'll take one
year of pain so in other words a little
bit of um you know trying to
exemplify what's going on uh Microsoft
is doing so uh however still painting
the picture of pain so if you're
wondering why we're having some software
issues this could potentially be why now
I I want you to also think logically for
a moment about software okay so let's
let's understand this for a moment
let me give you an example let's say you
have a team of interns and you want
everyone to make uh I don't know to add
to edit tick tocks okay and what you're
going to do is you're going to buy
everyone uh an Adobe Cloud subscription
so that they that way they could use
Premiere right you want everyone on
Premiere editing your your tick tocks
right let's just say as an example and
then let's say you go into a recession
and you're a normal company with I don't
know a thousand interns right
well in boom time you're like everybody
gets an Adobe Cloud subscription let's
go a thousand Cloud seeds well in a
recession most businesses say okay well
we're actually not going to hire uh new
people we're actually going to lay off
and we're going to be stuck with uh
let's just say 900 people instead of a
thousand well immediately what you've
done for Adobe is you've actually not
provided Cloud growth you actually just
provided Cloud contraction because by by
laying off people in a recessionary time
what happens well you just cut 10 of
your Workforce well you just took away
10 seats from Adobe but not only that
you might also say hey do we really need
900 seats or how about like
300 of y'all just borrow the other
dude's login or computer when you need
it since 300 of y'all are focused on I
don't know playing basketball more
instead or basically doing something
else at the company let's just in
addition to laying off people let's also
optimize how many people we're paying
for cloud seats for so now all of a
sudden we're going to take that down to
600. so all of a sudden you have a 40
drop in in seats that are being offered
to Cloud uh subscription services and so
what do you have well you have a
disaster all right so so this this is a
situation where
it's basically if you're growing at zero
so basically if if you're a cloud
provider and you could keep like Revenue
stable during a recession you're
actually doing good so as much as
Microsoft is sort of this this negative
Canary in the coal mine for software
services companies zero percent growth
in a recessionary environment is
actually good when it comes to Cloud
especially in an environment where we're
seeing as many Tech layoffs as we are
seeing so that's something pretty
important to pay attention to uh my take
now uh how could this affect the chips
Market it's actually a great question
Shane Huff here in our chat asked that
question how will Microsoft affect chips
like Taiwan semiconductors and AMD yeah
so first it's worth noting them open AI
uses uh Microsoft uh cloud services and
most of the cloud services provided by
Microsoft use hard Hardware like
Nvidia chips mostly in video chips but
also AMD chips and obviously a reduction
in the expansion in cloud makes us
Wonder like hey isn't it possible if if
Cloud spend is going to go down that
chip spent could go down absolutely and
I think a lot of that we have already
seen we've already seen a lot of that
pain uh now there were some pieces which
I thought was actually very interesting
there were some pieces that I was
reading about yesterday let me see if I
can find it here there were some pieces
about how we could potentially actually
see an acceleration uh in uh Microsoft
or sorry in chip spent as the demand
for
a higher quality servers accelerates the
refresh cycle for chip spend so keep
that in mind as as these Cloud companies
want to get back to growth they have to
figure out okay well how do we
potentially
uh differentiate ourselves from our
competitors well unfortunately the way
you differentiate yourself from your
competitors is you try to prove that
your product is a better product or a
faster product or a more capable product
and unfortunately you do that by
refreshing the chipsets that you have in
your server industry or your server
division so uh well obviously we expect
the chip sector to slow down there is at
least some enthusiasm that as Cloud
slows down
companies that suffer from those Cloud
slowdowns are going to be very
incentivized to try to get back to
growth as quickly as possible
potentially double down on their
investments into chips to make that a
potential reality
that's just an idea uh you know I think
ultimately everything slows down when we
go into a recession Hardware uh
certainly being one of those sectors
that that is expected to slow down uh
and a lot of that fortunately seems to
have been priced in already obviously no
guarantees on that but
um that's uh that's quite interesting in
fact I have a piece here let me see I'll
read this out because I think the
question is very good this isn't exactly
the one that I was looking for but this
one could be interesting talks about
Taiwan semiconductors and Samsung sales
Taiwan semiconductors and Samsung and
other foundries could expect revenue of
their Advanced packing business key to
producing chiplet based semiconductors
to double by 2025 and become a major
growth structure chiplets structures are
likely to become increasingly popular in
laptops following the introduction of
amd's
first
shiplet-based laptop semiconductor
that's quite interesting I think this
has to do with the
five nanometer chipsets I'm actually not
super familiar with chip chiplets and I
can't find that piece right now but I'm
gonna try to Google it really quick uh
server chips uh shorter shorter refresh
cycle that's what you kind of want to
look for is that potential
server refresh cycle
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I will do one more hike uh look here but
uh I'm generally a big fan of being the
pickaxe seller versus uh investing in
the gold
now uh that can come with risks
obviously as well because it does still
rely on the gold performing very well
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