How Do You Share a Country With People Who Reject Reality?
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We've hit a point where two groups of
people can watch the exact same video of
a woman being killed and walk away with
completely opposite stories about what
happened. What struck me about the Renee
Good killing wasn't just the brutality
of the act itself. It was the official
response and then the comment sections
afterward. Everybody who's been
repeating the lie that this is some
innocent woman who was out for a drive
in Minneapolis when a law enforcement
officer shot at her, you should be
ashamed of yourselves.
>> People aligned with the current regime
looked at the same footage and saw
obvious self-defense, obvious necessity.
People outside that orbit saw an obvious
execution by the state. And that's not
normal political disagreement. That's
not like I like higher taxes and you
like lower taxes. That's a fracture in
what counts as empirical reality, what
counts as a fact. Historically, that
kind of split shows up in pretty dark
places. So, you can think of the stab in
the back myth in VHimar, Germany, where
a huge chunk of the population insisted
that Germany hadn't really lost World
War I. It had been betrayed from within.
or the lost cause narrative after the US
civil war where an entire region retold
slavery as benign and the confederacy as
noble against mountains of evidence and
in each case the point wasn't just we
disagree on policy it was we live in
different worlds about what happened and
that's the kind of break the Renee good
reaction is signaling now so the
question isn't just was this shooting
justified and in my view it was
unequivocally not justified side. It's
what does it mean for a democracy when
lethal force by the state becomes an
optical test for entirely separate
realities. So what if the core political
divide isn't actually left versus right,
but people who can tolerate ambiguity
and discomfort versus people who can't?
A lot of research on authoritarianism
finds the same pattern, which is people
with authoritarian leanings tend to have
very low tolerance for ambiguity. They
want clear hierarchies, simple rules,
and sharp boundaries between us and
them. Ambiguous situations, new norms
around gender, shifting racial
hierarchies, changing demographics don't
just feel confusing, they feel
threatening. That internal panic gets
externalized as a demand to make the
world simpler again. Get rid of the
strange people, shut down the confusing
practices, and punish the ones who break
the old script. In a pluralistic
democracy, difference and ambiguity are
baked into the cake. You're always
encountering people, beliefs, and bodies
that don't fit your template. For some
people, that's uncomfortable but
manageable. For others, it's almost
intolerable. And that's where you start
to see attraction to strong men, purges,
and fantasies of cleansing violence. So,
when we talk about a temperamental
minority that can't easily live in
pluralism, that's what we mean. Not that
they're evil by nature, but that their
nervous systems are constantly
screaming, make this stop when they
encounter ambiguity or discomfort.
Without emotional regulation skills and
self-insight, which let's admit most
adults struggle with, but this
temperament in particular, this can
easily cause major issues inside a
diverse society that is constantly
changing. There's a brutal little
paradox at the heart of any free
society, and that's if you tolerate
people who want to end tolerance, you
eventually lose the whole thing. Can a
democracy safely include people who
fundamentally don't believe in
democracy? At some point, the answer has
to be not without limits. Carl Pauper
called this the paradox of tolerance. A
fully tolerant society, he said, cannot
be tolerant of movements that seek to
destroy tolerance itself.
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that doesn't mean that you put people in
prison for bad opinions. It means you
draw hard lines around actions and
organized projects. Post-war Germany is
a good example of this. It bans
explicitly Nazi parties and can dissolve
groups that aimed to overthrow the
democratic order precisely because it
learned what happens when you let
anti-pluralist movements capture the
state. In the US context, that's the
unresolved problem. We've treated it's
just another opinion and it's an
organized attempt to end democracy as if
they belong in the same bucket when they
don't. One can be tolerated. The other
if you let it run will eventually shut
down everyone else's voices. So the real
question isn't should we tolerate people
we disagree with. Of course we should.
The real question is where do we draw
the line when a movement's explicit or
implicit goal is to eliminate the
possibility of disagreement at all? When
we get to the other side of this, the
hardest problem maybe won't be rewriting
the laws. It'll be living with a
permanent minority that struggles to
function in a pluralistic world. When
this project eventually collapses, as
authoritarian projects tend to, we'll
still be left with a sizable minority
whose psychological profile doesn't
magically change. They will still
struggle with ambiguity and still prefer
rigid hierarchies and still feel
existentially threatened by visible
difference. That means any viable after
has to do at least three things. The
first is to build hard legal and
institutional limits so that
anti-pluralist movements can't easily
seize the state again as postwar Germany
has done.
>> [snorts]
>> The second is that we need to invest
early and deeply in teaching ambiguity
tolerance. How to live with discomfort
without immediately reaching for
elimination. Third, create exit ramps
for people who are leaving authoritarian
spaces that don't require them to endure
total humiliation or social death.
Because if the only options are
domination or annihilation, people will
cling to domination. This is not to
excuse the harm that these people have
done and are doing. Anyone committing
crimes and atrocities should be held
fully accountable. But for those who
want to get off the rage carousel, there
should be ways to do that that don't
feel like total psychological
extinction. [snorts] None of that is
clean or easy. But it's more honest. The
project isn't just stop this. It's how
do we design a society that can survive
with a permanent fearful anti-pluralist
minority without letting that fear run
the whole show again.
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