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we've got a lot of catalyst to talk

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about in this video we're going to look

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at expectations for Tesla earnings as

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well as some other catalysts but look

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folks we just got this from the IRS and

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the treasury Department these are the

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models that qualify for the following

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tax credits it looks like the model 3

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standard range will be or see its

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credits reduced from 7 500 to 37.50

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that's the only tax credit that really

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gets reduced for Tesla that is the

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approximately forty two thousand dollar

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model 3 Tesla uh that basically just got

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a price hike of three thousand seven

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hundred fifty dollars all the other

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models maintain their 7 500 credit

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rivian did not get the credit Lincolns

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you've got well you can see on screen

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here the Grand Touring at 7 500 Corsair

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Grand Touring it's 37.50 get a couple

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Jeep uh at 37.50 you've got the Mustang

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Machi extended and standard at 37.50 the

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lightning gets the full 7 500 Escape

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plug-in 37.50 and you can kind of pause

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the screen here and see some of the

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others lyric from Cadillac it's the full

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7500 with that said let's get into

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Catalyst well we've got a lot of

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catalyst to talk about this week for the

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stock market including 420s Tesla

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earnings we're going to talk about what

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some of the expectations are for Tesla

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earnings but let's also go through some

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of the economic data we're expecting

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this week and which matter the most this

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morning for example we got Empire

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manufacturing that came in a lot

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stronger than expected at 10 points

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versus negative 18 for the survey or

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negative 24.6 prior suggesting maybe the

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recession isn't as close as people might

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think it is tomorrow on the 18th we'll

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be getting building permits we'll be a

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little bit of an indicator for what

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we're seeing in housing as well as

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housing starts we're looking for a 1.5

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or 1.45 million permits that's a month

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over month decline of 6.5 is it going to

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come in hotter than expected along with

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housing starts expected to be negative

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3.5 percent will those rise as the real

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estate market so far this year has

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actually been booming very little

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inventory leading real estate prices

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actually to rise some of those year over

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fee year fears that we're looking for in

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may may not end up coming to fruition

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initial jobless claims are expected for

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a Thursday at 4 20 at 4 20 and then on

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Friday we'll get some manufacturing PMI

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services pmis and then a combined at PMI

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all of those expected to be around 49 to

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a 51. uh more importantly this week are

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going to be earnings though so uh today

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we'll be getting uh Charles Schwab uh

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although actually some of their earnings

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actually just already out 93 cents on

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EPS Revenue slightly misses after the

2:45

Bell on Monday we'll be getting a JB

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Hunt now that's a transportation service

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and a lot of people like looking at JB

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Hunt as a potential inflation indicator

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uh four or four Freight since Freight

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really affects almost every company

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whether you're shipping servers in

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you're shipping clothing out who knows a

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lot of people like looking at freight

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companies so JB Hunt might be an

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interesting one a lot of talk of layoffs

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happening at freight companies because

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of weaker demand Bank of America reports

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before the Market opens tomorrow Johnson

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and Johnson Goldman Sachs Lockheed

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Martin A Bank of New York Mellon so some

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more bank and defense earnings tomorrow

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morning and then then things get

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entertaining then we get into what Ryan

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Reynolds calls one of his favorite

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stocks in fact just this morning he was

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on CNBC pitching I think it was newbie

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or Nouveau or something like this some

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Canadian finance a fintech company and

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uh the folks on CNBC are asking if so

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what do you know about financials and

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he's like absolutely nothing you know in

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classic Ryan Reynolds style and he's

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like I just like the emotion of

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companies I'm a marketer yeah and In

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fairness he's a great marketer he's

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incredible uh you know he's an

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inspiration for many money but some

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other companies that he thought were an

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inspiration to him in addition to

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um to Netflix where actually or was

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actually Ford I was kind of surprised

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he's like oh it's a legacy company you

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know part of part of the the the the

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American Fabric and I'm like it's gonna

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be part of the American BK if they don't

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innovate soon with getting their costs

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down on those EVS but uh anyway so Ryan

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Reynolds big fan of Netflix he's kind of

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made the argument that he can't really

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bet against it based on the industry

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that he's in Netflix reports earnings at

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4 pm on Tuesday and it is usually seen

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as the signal for kicking off attack

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earnings and it seems like every earning

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season we get to Netflix is the one that

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everybody's kind of like man if Netflix

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comes in good it's good Netflix comes in

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bad it's bad they did go back to growth

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in the last quarter which was great we

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are expecting an a movement of eight

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percent on Netflix stock uh tomorrow

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afternoon that's down from the average

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movement of

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12.3 percent uh earnings per share

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expected to come in at a uh 2.87 with

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revenue of 8.18 billion in net income of

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1.34 so we'll see what happens with

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Netflix after Netflix will get United

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Airlines interactive brokers those

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Tuesday afternoon then on Wednesday

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we're going to be looking at Morgan

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Stanley in the morning and in the

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afternoon on the 19th uh sorry this is

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already yeah no this is the 19th okay uh

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Wednesday afternoon on the 19th uh we'll

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be getting a Tesla earnings at 405. uh

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Ross Gerber is apparently having a Tesla

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party on 420 the next day star sorry

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SpaceX is actually expected to launch

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potentially one of their vehicles today

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or tomorrow we'll see what ends up

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happening uh this is the big one people

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have been waiting for but anyway Tesla

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on the 19th expectations we'll talk

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about Tesla in just more it will Circle

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back to Tesla IBM reports on Wednesday

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afternoon as well as Las Vegas Sands and

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then on Thursday Thursday morning will

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be entertaining uh we'll be getting ATT

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and Taiwan semiconductors along with

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American Express and DR Horton so we'll

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be getting a look into housing not only

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DR Horton but Blackstone a lot of those

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REITs a lot of blackstones REITs are

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seeing liquidations a lot of talk about

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paying in commercial real estate how is

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that going to affect the broader economy

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American Express what can they tell us

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about that wealthier consumer is

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American Express still going to tell us

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that people are spending through the

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recession or are we going to see an

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inflection where people are no longer

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spending through the recession Taiwan

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semiconductors hey what's going on with

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China or any potential issues with uh

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China uh still present is how much is

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China adding to a book of business or

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taking away from the book of businesses

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Taiwan semiconductors what about uh

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International sales to the United States

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is the chip Market really growing

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because of the AI Revolution I expect to

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hear a lot from Taiwan semiconductors

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about none other than chips of course

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excuse me uh and specifically because of

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this AI Revolution that really began uh

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I mean it's been going on for years but

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really exploded over the last couple a

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couple of months here we'll be talking a

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lot about Google in a different segment

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especially with uh with the potential

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for Google scrambling and shaking in

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their boots as they may be losing some

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billion dollar contracts we'll be

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talking about that all of this of course

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driven by AI on the afternoon of

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Thursday we'll be looking at a Seagate

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we'll get a little bit of a look into

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maybe memory and uh more specifically

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storage for Seagate both of those are my

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least favorite segments as I find them

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to be more commodity is Ish uh that

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might be offensive to some people in the

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field but I hate to say it but I I feel

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like SD cards and ssds and memory are a

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little more commodity-ish

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Procter Gamble on Friday morning we'll

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be looking at some of those consumer

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staples

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as uh well as a Friday afternoon we have

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nothing because you generally don't have

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anything on Friday afternoon so I said

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we talk about Tesla let's try to look at

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some expectations for Tesla the most

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important thing in my opinion for Tesla

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is going to come down to margin it's

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going to be very simple is how bad did

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the margin get in q1 and the question

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isn't necessarily how bad is it going to

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get in q1 since we already have

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estimates of that and we know that Zach

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the CFO told us we don't expect to go

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under 20 gross vehicle margin how bad

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though is that margin going to

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potentially get in Q2 remember in q1 we

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have pretty much an entire quarter of

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inflation reduction act credits of about

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7 500

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unfortunately for Tesla and a lot of EV

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manufacturers the 7 500 credit is

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actually going to fall to 37.50 which

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could potentially lead to more price

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cuts for Teslas in fact here at the top

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you could see a 7 500 tax credit for the

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model Y and model 3

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model 3 real-wheel Drive will be however

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reducing to 37.50 on April 18th

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so you're seeing some bottles that are

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going to get impacted with a lower

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inflation reduction Act tax credit what

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does that potentially mean for Tesla

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margins if Tesla had a 7 500 credit all

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throughout q1 and only has a 7 500

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credit on all their vehicles for the

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first three weeks of the quarter which

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means you actually have a whole other 11

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weeks essentially to go uh a little less

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than 11 weeks it'll be more like nine

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weeks to go there we go let's get our

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math right uh well then the bulk of Q2

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is actually not going to have a full

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7500 credit and that could really hit

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margins more so what are expectations

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right now in terms of margins well

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expectations are

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the following uh let's go ahead and pull

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these up on screen here these are the a

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margin expectations that we have the

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expectations are simple we're looking at

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uh Automotive gross margins set to

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decline once again with our peak in q1

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2022 where we actually broke over 30

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margins but the expectation is that

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these could go down to as low as about

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23.1

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23.1 percent there are 17 analysts

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interviewed by Reuters and the average

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estimate is

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23.1 some estimates are lower some are

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higher but this is going to be a big

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deal and I think the biggest part is

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going to be hey what are those

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expectations for Q2 because again this

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right here on screen is the q1

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expectation now we'll look at the

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expectations for actual earnings but uh

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I think there are going to be two main

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things we're going to be looking at I'll

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explain the second in just a moment but

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number one is going to be gross margin

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including the path forward on gross

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margin right now we're expecting an

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implied one-day move on Tesla stock

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after earnings of 6.51 that is in line

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with the average movement of 6.4 percent

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regarding earnings

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we're looking at an adjusted EPS of

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86.3 cents Gap EPS of 77.1 cents revenue

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of

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23.46 billies that's the Top Line

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looking for a net income of

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3.05 billion operating profit of 3.06

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billion uh and that's the adjusted net

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income by the way an ebitda at 4.43 now

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keep in mind that Tesla has had sort of

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a mixed record on earnings here when it

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comes to adjusted EPS five out of eight

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times you beat however they're almost

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always right on net income if they miss

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here it could be painful because they'd

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be breaking a trend they have beat eight

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out of the last eight times on uh on on

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net income adjusted net income so we'll

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see if they continue to beat this time

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around these are the current estimates

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again margin being the number one but I

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think there's also a number two I think

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the number two thing that we really want

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to pay attention to for Tesla is going

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to be the free cash flow now the reason

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I mentioned free cash flow is because I

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personally believe that Tesla doesn't

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have as much cash as people like to say

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they do now some Tesla Bulls think I'm

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just trying to be a bear or for some

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reason I'm trying to like click bait

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people into thinking there's a problem

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but the reality is

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the Tesla's cash isn't as great as it

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seems in fact if we jump over to their

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cash flow statement first of all we see

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that regularly Tesla spending about 1.8

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billion dollars in cap X expenditures

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and from the third quarter to the fourth

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quarter which the fourth quarter is

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usually that really big sell-through

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push for vehicles we actually saw free

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cash flow decline from just over 3.3

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billion dollars of free cash flow down

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to about 1.3 billion dollars of free

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cash flow and the concern is what if

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that contracts even more in q1 we'll see

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if there were any potential credits that

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could potentially hold this up as well

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uh for for maybe

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um electric uh charging inputs or or

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electric charger manufacturing from the

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Biden Administration but consider when

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we jump over to

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uh the balance sheet over here yes

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everybody likes to look at the Top Line

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right here of suggesting yeah Tesla's

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got 22 billion cash that's fantastic

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they've got a lot of money in cash and

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we know they've got about 12.8 billion

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in inventory but they've got bills

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sitting on their desk of over 23 billion

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dollars I mean just the first couple

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lines over here on the right shows you

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22.3 billion dollars of payables and

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accrued liabilities that need to be paid

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now that's not even including customer

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deposits deferred revenue which I

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generally don't consider those as debts

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anyway uh and then of course you've got

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other long-term debts here at 5.3

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billion so you add up all the debts

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you're sitting between 23 to 28 29

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billion dollars substantially you know

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more than the amount of uh cash that

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Tesla has which means we want to see

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continued cash flow I'm not offended by

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the cap balance sheet at all I'm just

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worried that if we start seeing free

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cash flow go under a billy maybe we

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start going towards uh somewhere around

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50 you know 500 million uh personally I

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get a little bit I'm going to start

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scratching my head a little bit about

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hey is Tesla going to have to enter any

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kind of financing agreements to get

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through 2023 and these are probably the

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worst times to enter into Finance

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agreements in fact Morgan Stanley's Mr

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Mike Wilson has the argument that

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usually what happens is in in a

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recessionary environment is that you end

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up seeing earnings slow gradually and

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then suddenly he had a piece and now

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he's always we know he's a bear okay we

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know he's bearish talks about a trillion

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dollars having left the banking system

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over the last year he talks about small

15:03

business credibility shrinking uh to its

15:06

lowest level in 20 years while interest

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rates are at a 15-year High keep in mind

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a lot of entrepreneurs and business

15:13

owners uh end up uh with uh with um

15:17

Teslas because they they use Teslas as a

15:20

tool uh for advertising their business

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or or they just want a Tesla whatever it

15:25

is but Mike Wilson talks about this idea

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that we could have a gradual and then

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sudden decline in earnings and the

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reason for that is right now you see

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this gradual decline in earnings but you

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could all of a sudden drop off a cliff

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like we have in the past in fact these

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are sort of generally what we tend to

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see here in 2007 to 2008 you saw this

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gradual decline in earnings and then all

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of a sudden you saw a crash in earnings

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you jump in over here in the uh the

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covet era what do you see you kind of

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see this this gradual softening in 2019

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late 2018 and then of course the covet

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crash I personally would remove the

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covet Crash from this analysis because I

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think it's a little ridiculous to have

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the kova crash in here but I think it's

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a good analogy to look back in 2007 and

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eight and say hey look this gradual

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decline in earnings became a massive

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decline in earnings and part of the

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reason that happens is because

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businesses are able to uh as earnings

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gradually decline businesses are

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basically able to refinance through the

16:25

pain uh through with cash that they have

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they're not actually exposed to debts

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yet but what happens when that cash runs

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dry when earnings declined to the point

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where you don't actually have as much

16:35

cash anymore now you have to go to the

16:37

bank at really expensive rates what

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happens you're basically screwed and

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then earnings suddenly uh decline now

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again I think Morgan Stanley here and Mr

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Mike Wilson really only give us one good

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example of this they didn't decide to go

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back further into history potentially

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because maybe it doesn't rhyme at the

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way Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilson prefers

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uh and I don't think you can really

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include covid here so he's got a good

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example for 2007 and eight I'll give him

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that he's not wrong that yes margin

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degradation can be a lot more sudden uh

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as as at first Revenue slowly

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disappointed and then all of a sudden

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you get a more meaningful acceleration

17:14

than declines I personally think that

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margin squeeze could really occur if the

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event occurs where Tesla needs to borrow

17:21

to continue to fund their expansion

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now uh according to uh Bloomberg Tesla

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we already know this Tesla delivered a

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record 423 000 Vehicles globally in q1

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that's 36 average growth year over year

17:35

maintaining 50 average volume gains but

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putting profit a gross profit at risk

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that's what we're getting production uh

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uh Serge um let's see the surge failed

17:45

to Halt a rise in inventory yeah uh

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let's see here consensus calls for 1.8

17:50

million vehicles to be sold in 2023 not

17:52

exceeding 3 million until 2026 with an

17:56

average growth rate of just 20 percent

17:58

expected for Tesla according to Wall

18:00

Street while the company targets 50

18:03

myself I'm sitting somewhere between 30

18:05

to 35 percent on my projection so I'm

18:07

somewhat in the midpoint there Tesla's

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EV market share uh it has uh has hit 86

18:13

percent in Q3 of 2018 and it's slipped

18:18

to an EV market share of just 50 57 in

18:21

Q4 though many argue that as the pie

18:23

grows you actually need less less of the

18:25

pie to continue to to push the strength

18:28

of Tesla Tesla has also cut prices quite

18:31

a few times and uh the the question is

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how are those price Cuts really going to

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hit we've seen most of the price Cuts I

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believe about five price Cuts now since

18:41

January and we haven't had an earnings

18:43

report that kind of gives us some light

18:45

into those price Cuts until well two

18:49

days from now so that's going to be a

18:51

concern now there will be some potential

18:53

uh relief and some of that potential

18:56

relief may come in projections the Tesla

18:58

or Elon Musk gives us in terms of the

19:01

battery packs we know that Shanghai is

19:03

expected to manufacture uh expand the

19:07

Shanghai gigafactory and manufacture a

19:09

substantial set of Mega packs

19:12

potentially as many as 10 000 but that's

19:14

going to be expensive to ramp before we

19:16

start seeing those numbers come through

19:17

same thing for Giga Northeast Mexico and

19:20

if there's another gigafactory that ends

19:22

up being announced in say Vietnam or

19:24

Indonesia or ever these are all

19:26

expensive projects that aren't leading

19:28

to cash flows just yet so those are all

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things that we're going to be looking

19:32

for in this next earnings report biggest

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thing for me though uh margin cash flow

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and uh and and then of course hopefully

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we get something to soften the blow in

19:42

the way of not just batteries but also

19:45

FSD FSD will be a potential uh tool for

19:49

maybe propping up some of these revenues

19:51

if we see a larger take rate on fsds and

19:55

maybe we could start including a little

19:57

bit more revenue for FSD we do know that

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uh Zach the CFO of Tesla has told us we

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will be seeing more FSD revenues

20:06

recognized as they continue to roll out

20:09

full self-driving they did just roll up

20:11

for FSD 11. I think they're already on

20:13

the third or fourth update for number

20:15

11. I've certainly done at least two

20:17

updates on number 11 and I'm usually a

20:19

little bit behind in the updates I just

20:21

don't drive that much but I will say

20:23

just as sort of an Annex dope between

20:25

myself and you Tesla full self-driving

20:28

on version 10.0 95 of the time I could

20:32

trust the car but there were certain

20:33

parts around my town where I'm like it

20:35

just it can't handle this it can't move

20:38

from uh you know a right turn exit off

20:41

of a freeway and then needing to get

20:42

across four lanes to make an immediate

20:44

following left turn it was incapable of

20:46

doing that it has gotten substantially

20:48

better at being able to do that it still

20:51

doesn't get all the way but it's

20:52

probably gotten eight times closer to

20:55

making that left turn lane and there's

20:57

also a part in my town where it uh it

21:00

usually when I used to get on top on a

21:01

highway there were some construction

21:03

barriers that came up pretty suddenly

21:05

I would hold it until the last second to

21:08

see if FSD would ever turn and on

21:10

version 10 it wouldn't and I'm like all

21:13

right I guess I gotta take over version

21:15

11 has solved that uh version 11 has

21:17

also solved some funky merges where it

21:20

used to cut off bike lanes and and

21:23

basically use right turn Lanes into

21:25

neighborhoods before getting to the main

21:26

intersection so you're kind of coming up

21:28

on a main intersection and it just turns

21:30

right so early that it cuts off the bike

21:31

lanes and the neighborhood right turns

21:33

when it should actually stay in more of

21:35

one of the primary lanes and then turn

21:37

right into its its right turn lane FSD

21:39

11 has done that so the FSD is getting

21:42

really incredible you really can't make

21:44

a long-term bet against Tesla in my

21:46

opinion but if you're making short-term

21:49

plays there are plenty of reasons to

21:51

potentially be disappointed on the 19th

21:53

but don't worry 420 is just the day

21:55

later and you could party or sadness

21:58

away so my take here on Catalyst I'm

22:02

honestly not terribly concerned about

22:04

Tesla it's gonna do know what it's going

22:06

to do it usually goes down after

22:08

earnings so if you're nervous about it

22:10

sell some calls I I I'm not optimistic

22:13

about seeing a big upside surprise uh

22:16

but hey you know if if you're if you're

22:19

thinking there's a potential for an

22:20

upside surprise add some shares or maybe

22:22

sell some puts who knows

22:24

maybe it'll stay stable more importantly

22:26

to me for Catalyst I want to know what's

22:29

going on at American Express I think

22:31

American Express is going to be a much

22:32

bigger Catalyst even though it's not

22:34

going to get the news as much as Tesla

22:36

for me it's going to be a bigger

22:38

Catalyst as to whether or not this

22:39

recession is actually coming I think

22:41

American Express is going to be a tool

22:43

for that and now I understand that

22:45

American Express really focuses on the

22:46

higher net worth consumer and the higher

22:48

income consumer but generally the

22:50

companies that I'm investing in are

22:52

exposed to that consumer base so from a

22:55

personal point of view that is the

22:57

company that I really want to pay

22:58

attention to for sort of that

22:59

broad-based spending as well as of

23:01

course the artificial intelligence Drive

23:03

which I think will get a lot of insight

23:04

in from Taiwan semiconductor so we'll

23:08

see but those are my expectations on

23:10

Catalyst for the week including Tesla so

23:13

look at that I went a whole segment

23:15

without pitching you once on either the

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insurance you can get in as little as a

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five minutes or a streaming with me at

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