Tesla Earnings Warning
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we've got a lot of catalyst to talk
about in this video we're going to look
at expectations for Tesla earnings as
well as some other catalysts but look
folks we just got this from the IRS and
the treasury Department these are the
models that qualify for the following
tax credits it looks like the model 3
standard range will be or see its
credits reduced from 7 500 to 37.50
that's the only tax credit that really
gets reduced for Tesla that is the
approximately forty two thousand dollar
model 3 Tesla uh that basically just got
a price hike of three thousand seven
hundred fifty dollars all the other
models maintain their 7 500 credit
rivian did not get the credit Lincolns
you've got well you can see on screen
here the Grand Touring at 7 500 Corsair
Grand Touring it's 37.50 get a couple
Jeep uh at 37.50 you've got the Mustang
Machi extended and standard at 37.50 the
lightning gets the full 7 500 Escape
plug-in 37.50 and you can kind of pause
the screen here and see some of the
others lyric from Cadillac it's the full
7500 with that said let's get into
Catalyst well we've got a lot of
catalyst to talk about this week for the
stock market including 420s Tesla
earnings we're going to talk about what
some of the expectations are for Tesla
earnings but let's also go through some
of the economic data we're expecting
this week and which matter the most this
morning for example we got Empire
manufacturing that came in a lot
stronger than expected at 10 points
versus negative 18 for the survey or
negative 24.6 prior suggesting maybe the
recession isn't as close as people might
think it is tomorrow on the 18th we'll
be getting building permits we'll be a
little bit of an indicator for what
we're seeing in housing as well as
housing starts we're looking for a 1.5
or 1.45 million permits that's a month
over month decline of 6.5 is it going to
come in hotter than expected along with
housing starts expected to be negative
3.5 percent will those rise as the real
estate market so far this year has
actually been booming very little
inventory leading real estate prices
actually to rise some of those year over
fee year fears that we're looking for in
may may not end up coming to fruition
initial jobless claims are expected for
a Thursday at 4 20 at 4 20 and then on
Friday we'll get some manufacturing PMI
services pmis and then a combined at PMI
all of those expected to be around 49 to
a 51. uh more importantly this week are
going to be earnings though so uh today
we'll be getting uh Charles Schwab uh
although actually some of their earnings
actually just already out 93 cents on
EPS Revenue slightly misses after the
Bell on Monday we'll be getting a JB
Hunt now that's a transportation service
and a lot of people like looking at JB
Hunt as a potential inflation indicator
uh four or four Freight since Freight
really affects almost every company
whether you're shipping servers in
you're shipping clothing out who knows a
lot of people like looking at freight
companies so JB Hunt might be an
interesting one a lot of talk of layoffs
happening at freight companies because
of weaker demand Bank of America reports
before the Market opens tomorrow Johnson
and Johnson Goldman Sachs Lockheed
Martin A Bank of New York Mellon so some
more bank and defense earnings tomorrow
morning and then then things get
entertaining then we get into what Ryan
Reynolds calls one of his favorite
stocks in fact just this morning he was
on CNBC pitching I think it was newbie
or Nouveau or something like this some
Canadian finance a fintech company and
uh the folks on CNBC are asking if so
what do you know about financials and
he's like absolutely nothing you know in
classic Ryan Reynolds style and he's
like I just like the emotion of
companies I'm a marketer yeah and In
fairness he's a great marketer he's
incredible uh you know he's an
inspiration for many money but some
other companies that he thought were an
inspiration to him in addition to
um to Netflix where actually or was
actually Ford I was kind of surprised
he's like oh it's a legacy company you
know part of part of the the the the
American Fabric and I'm like it's gonna
be part of the American BK if they don't
innovate soon with getting their costs
down on those EVS but uh anyway so Ryan
Reynolds big fan of Netflix he's kind of
made the argument that he can't really
bet against it based on the industry
that he's in Netflix reports earnings at
4 pm on Tuesday and it is usually seen
as the signal for kicking off attack
earnings and it seems like every earning
season we get to Netflix is the one that
everybody's kind of like man if Netflix
comes in good it's good Netflix comes in
bad it's bad they did go back to growth
in the last quarter which was great we
are expecting an a movement of eight
percent on Netflix stock uh tomorrow
afternoon that's down from the average
movement of
12.3 percent uh earnings per share
expected to come in at a uh 2.87 with
revenue of 8.18 billion in net income of
1.34 so we'll see what happens with
Netflix after Netflix will get United
Airlines interactive brokers those
Tuesday afternoon then on Wednesday
we're going to be looking at Morgan
Stanley in the morning and in the
afternoon on the 19th uh sorry this is
already yeah no this is the 19th okay uh
Wednesday afternoon on the 19th uh we'll
be getting a Tesla earnings at 405. uh
Ross Gerber is apparently having a Tesla
party on 420 the next day star sorry
SpaceX is actually expected to launch
potentially one of their vehicles today
or tomorrow we'll see what ends up
happening uh this is the big one people
have been waiting for but anyway Tesla
on the 19th expectations we'll talk
about Tesla in just more it will Circle
back to Tesla IBM reports on Wednesday
afternoon as well as Las Vegas Sands and
then on Thursday Thursday morning will
be entertaining uh we'll be getting ATT
and Taiwan semiconductors along with
American Express and DR Horton so we'll
be getting a look into housing not only
DR Horton but Blackstone a lot of those
REITs a lot of blackstones REITs are
seeing liquidations a lot of talk about
paying in commercial real estate how is
that going to affect the broader economy
American Express what can they tell us
about that wealthier consumer is
American Express still going to tell us
that people are spending through the
recession or are we going to see an
inflection where people are no longer
spending through the recession Taiwan
semiconductors hey what's going on with
China or any potential issues with uh
China uh still present is how much is
China adding to a book of business or
taking away from the book of businesses
Taiwan semiconductors what about uh
International sales to the United States
is the chip Market really growing
because of the AI Revolution I expect to
hear a lot from Taiwan semiconductors
about none other than chips of course
excuse me uh and specifically because of
this AI Revolution that really began uh
I mean it's been going on for years but
really exploded over the last couple a
couple of months here we'll be talking a
lot about Google in a different segment
especially with uh with the potential
for Google scrambling and shaking in
their boots as they may be losing some
billion dollar contracts we'll be
talking about that all of this of course
driven by AI on the afternoon of
Thursday we'll be looking at a Seagate
we'll get a little bit of a look into
maybe memory and uh more specifically
storage for Seagate both of those are my
least favorite segments as I find them
to be more commodity is Ish uh that
might be offensive to some people in the
field but I hate to say it but I I feel
like SD cards and ssds and memory are a
little more commodity-ish
Procter Gamble on Friday morning we'll
be looking at some of those consumer
staples
as uh well as a Friday afternoon we have
nothing because you generally don't have
anything on Friday afternoon so I said
we talk about Tesla let's try to look at
some expectations for Tesla the most
important thing in my opinion for Tesla
is going to come down to margin it's
going to be very simple is how bad did
the margin get in q1 and the question
isn't necessarily how bad is it going to
get in q1 since we already have
estimates of that and we know that Zach
the CFO told us we don't expect to go
under 20 gross vehicle margin how bad
though is that margin going to
potentially get in Q2 remember in q1 we
have pretty much an entire quarter of
inflation reduction act credits of about
7 500
unfortunately for Tesla and a lot of EV
manufacturers the 7 500 credit is
actually going to fall to 37.50 which
could potentially lead to more price
cuts for Teslas in fact here at the top
you could see a 7 500 tax credit for the
model Y and model 3
model 3 real-wheel Drive will be however
reducing to 37.50 on April 18th
so you're seeing some bottles that are
going to get impacted with a lower
inflation reduction Act tax credit what
does that potentially mean for Tesla
margins if Tesla had a 7 500 credit all
throughout q1 and only has a 7 500
credit on all their vehicles for the
first three weeks of the quarter which
means you actually have a whole other 11
weeks essentially to go uh a little less
than 11 weeks it'll be more like nine
weeks to go there we go let's get our
math right uh well then the bulk of Q2
is actually not going to have a full
7500 credit and that could really hit
margins more so what are expectations
right now in terms of margins well
expectations are
the following uh let's go ahead and pull
these up on screen here these are the a
margin expectations that we have the
expectations are simple we're looking at
uh Automotive gross margins set to
decline once again with our peak in q1
2022 where we actually broke over 30
margins but the expectation is that
these could go down to as low as about
23.1
23.1 percent there are 17 analysts
interviewed by Reuters and the average
estimate is
23.1 some estimates are lower some are
higher but this is going to be a big
deal and I think the biggest part is
going to be hey what are those
expectations for Q2 because again this
right here on screen is the q1
expectation now we'll look at the
expectations for actual earnings but uh
I think there are going to be two main
things we're going to be looking at I'll
explain the second in just a moment but
number one is going to be gross margin
including the path forward on gross
margin right now we're expecting an
implied one-day move on Tesla stock
after earnings of 6.51 that is in line
with the average movement of 6.4 percent
regarding earnings
we're looking at an adjusted EPS of
86.3 cents Gap EPS of 77.1 cents revenue
of
23.46 billies that's the Top Line
looking for a net income of
3.05 billion operating profit of 3.06
billion uh and that's the adjusted net
income by the way an ebitda at 4.43 now
keep in mind that Tesla has had sort of
a mixed record on earnings here when it
comes to adjusted EPS five out of eight
times you beat however they're almost
always right on net income if they miss
here it could be painful because they'd
be breaking a trend they have beat eight
out of the last eight times on uh on on
net income adjusted net income so we'll
see if they continue to beat this time
around these are the current estimates
again margin being the number one but I
think there's also a number two I think
the number two thing that we really want
to pay attention to for Tesla is going
to be the free cash flow now the reason
I mentioned free cash flow is because I
personally believe that Tesla doesn't
have as much cash as people like to say
they do now some Tesla Bulls think I'm
just trying to be a bear or for some
reason I'm trying to like click bait
people into thinking there's a problem
but the reality is
the Tesla's cash isn't as great as it
seems in fact if we jump over to their
cash flow statement first of all we see
that regularly Tesla spending about 1.8
billion dollars in cap X expenditures
and from the third quarter to the fourth
quarter which the fourth quarter is
usually that really big sell-through
push for vehicles we actually saw free
cash flow decline from just over 3.3
billion dollars of free cash flow down
to about 1.3 billion dollars of free
cash flow and the concern is what if
that contracts even more in q1 we'll see
if there were any potential credits that
could potentially hold this up as well
uh for for maybe
um electric uh charging inputs or or
electric charger manufacturing from the
Biden Administration but consider when
we jump over to
uh the balance sheet over here yes
everybody likes to look at the Top Line
right here of suggesting yeah Tesla's
got 22 billion cash that's fantastic
they've got a lot of money in cash and
we know they've got about 12.8 billion
in inventory but they've got bills
sitting on their desk of over 23 billion
dollars I mean just the first couple
lines over here on the right shows you
22.3 billion dollars of payables and
accrued liabilities that need to be paid
now that's not even including customer
deposits deferred revenue which I
generally don't consider those as debts
anyway uh and then of course you've got
other long-term debts here at 5.3
billion so you add up all the debts
you're sitting between 23 to 28 29
billion dollars substantially you know
more than the amount of uh cash that
Tesla has which means we want to see
continued cash flow I'm not offended by
the cap balance sheet at all I'm just
worried that if we start seeing free
cash flow go under a billy maybe we
start going towards uh somewhere around
50 you know 500 million uh personally I
get a little bit I'm going to start
scratching my head a little bit about
hey is Tesla going to have to enter any
kind of financing agreements to get
through 2023 and these are probably the
worst times to enter into Finance
agreements in fact Morgan Stanley's Mr
Mike Wilson has the argument that
usually what happens is in in a
recessionary environment is that you end
up seeing earnings slow gradually and
then suddenly he had a piece and now
he's always we know he's a bear okay we
know he's bearish talks about a trillion
dollars having left the banking system
over the last year he talks about small
business credibility shrinking uh to its
lowest level in 20 years while interest
rates are at a 15-year High keep in mind
a lot of entrepreneurs and business
owners uh end up uh with uh with um
Teslas because they they use Teslas as a
tool uh for advertising their business
or or they just want a Tesla whatever it
is but Mike Wilson talks about this idea
that we could have a gradual and then
sudden decline in earnings and the
reason for that is right now you see
this gradual decline in earnings but you
could all of a sudden drop off a cliff
like we have in the past in fact these
are sort of generally what we tend to
see here in 2007 to 2008 you saw this
gradual decline in earnings and then all
of a sudden you saw a crash in earnings
you jump in over here in the uh the
covet era what do you see you kind of
see this this gradual softening in 2019
late 2018 and then of course the covet
crash I personally would remove the
covet Crash from this analysis because I
think it's a little ridiculous to have
the kova crash in here but I think it's
a good analogy to look back in 2007 and
eight and say hey look this gradual
decline in earnings became a massive
decline in earnings and part of the
reason that happens is because
businesses are able to uh as earnings
gradually decline businesses are
basically able to refinance through the
pain uh through with cash that they have
they're not actually exposed to debts
yet but what happens when that cash runs
dry when earnings declined to the point
where you don't actually have as much
cash anymore now you have to go to the
bank at really expensive rates what
happens you're basically screwed and
then earnings suddenly uh decline now
again I think Morgan Stanley here and Mr
Mike Wilson really only give us one good
example of this they didn't decide to go
back further into history potentially
because maybe it doesn't rhyme at the
way Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilson prefers
uh and I don't think you can really
include covid here so he's got a good
example for 2007 and eight I'll give him
that he's not wrong that yes margin
degradation can be a lot more sudden uh
as as at first Revenue slowly
disappointed and then all of a sudden
you get a more meaningful acceleration
than declines I personally think that
margin squeeze could really occur if the
event occurs where Tesla needs to borrow
to continue to fund their expansion
now uh according to uh Bloomberg Tesla
we already know this Tesla delivered a
record 423 000 Vehicles globally in q1
that's 36 average growth year over year
maintaining 50 average volume gains but
putting profit a gross profit at risk
that's what we're getting production uh
uh Serge um let's see the surge failed
to Halt a rise in inventory yeah uh
let's see here consensus calls for 1.8
million vehicles to be sold in 2023 not
exceeding 3 million until 2026 with an
average growth rate of just 20 percent
expected for Tesla according to Wall
Street while the company targets 50
myself I'm sitting somewhere between 30
to 35 percent on my projection so I'm
somewhat in the midpoint there Tesla's
EV market share uh it has uh has hit 86
percent in Q3 of 2018 and it's slipped
to an EV market share of just 50 57 in
Q4 though many argue that as the pie
grows you actually need less less of the
pie to continue to to push the strength
of Tesla Tesla has also cut prices quite
a few times and uh the the question is
how are those price Cuts really going to
hit we've seen most of the price Cuts I
believe about five price Cuts now since
January and we haven't had an earnings
report that kind of gives us some light
into those price Cuts until well two
days from now so that's going to be a
concern now there will be some potential
uh relief and some of that potential
relief may come in projections the Tesla
or Elon Musk gives us in terms of the
battery packs we know that Shanghai is
expected to manufacture uh expand the
Shanghai gigafactory and manufacture a
substantial set of Mega packs
potentially as many as 10 000 but that's
going to be expensive to ramp before we
start seeing those numbers come through
same thing for Giga Northeast Mexico and
if there's another gigafactory that ends
up being announced in say Vietnam or
Indonesia or ever these are all
expensive projects that aren't leading
to cash flows just yet so those are all
things that we're going to be looking
for in this next earnings report biggest
thing for me though uh margin cash flow
and uh and and then of course hopefully
we get something to soften the blow in
the way of not just batteries but also
FSD FSD will be a potential uh tool for
maybe propping up some of these revenues
if we see a larger take rate on fsds and
maybe we could start including a little
bit more revenue for FSD we do know that
uh Zach the CFO of Tesla has told us we
will be seeing more FSD revenues
recognized as they continue to roll out
full self-driving they did just roll up
for FSD 11. I think they're already on
the third or fourth update for number
11. I've certainly done at least two
updates on number 11 and I'm usually a
little bit behind in the updates I just
don't drive that much but I will say
just as sort of an Annex dope between
myself and you Tesla full self-driving
on version 10.0 95 of the time I could
trust the car but there were certain
parts around my town where I'm like it
just it can't handle this it can't move
from uh you know a right turn exit off
of a freeway and then needing to get
across four lanes to make an immediate
following left turn it was incapable of
doing that it has gotten substantially
better at being able to do that it still
doesn't get all the way but it's
probably gotten eight times closer to
making that left turn lane and there's
also a part in my town where it uh it
usually when I used to get on top on a
highway there were some construction
barriers that came up pretty suddenly
I would hold it until the last second to
see if FSD would ever turn and on
version 10 it wouldn't and I'm like all
right I guess I gotta take over version
11 has solved that uh version 11 has
also solved some funky merges where it
used to cut off bike lanes and and
basically use right turn Lanes into
neighborhoods before getting to the main
intersection so you're kind of coming up
on a main intersection and it just turns
right so early that it cuts off the bike
lanes and the neighborhood right turns
when it should actually stay in more of
one of the primary lanes and then turn
right into its its right turn lane FSD
11 has done that so the FSD is getting
really incredible you really can't make
a long-term bet against Tesla in my
opinion but if you're making short-term
plays there are plenty of reasons to
potentially be disappointed on the 19th
but don't worry 420 is just the day
later and you could party or sadness
away so my take here on Catalyst I'm
honestly not terribly concerned about
Tesla it's gonna do know what it's going
to do it usually goes down after
earnings so if you're nervous about it
sell some calls I I I'm not optimistic
about seeing a big upside surprise uh
but hey you know if if you're if you're
thinking there's a potential for an
upside surprise add some shares or maybe
sell some puts who knows
maybe it'll stay stable more importantly
to me for Catalyst I want to know what's
going on at American Express I think
American Express is going to be a much
bigger Catalyst even though it's not
going to get the news as much as Tesla
for me it's going to be a bigger
Catalyst as to whether or not this
recession is actually coming I think
American Express is going to be a tool
for that and now I understand that
American Express really focuses on the
higher net worth consumer and the higher
income consumer but generally the
companies that I'm investing in are
exposed to that consumer base so from a
personal point of view that is the
company that I really want to pay
attention to for sort of that
broad-based spending as well as of
course the artificial intelligence Drive
which I think will get a lot of insight
in from Taiwan semiconductor so we'll
see but those are my expectations on
Catalyst for the week including Tesla so
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