Cathie Wood & Ark Invest EXPLODES Tesla Stock Thesis | Warning.
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well Kathy Wood has a new massive price
Target out for Tesla but instead of
talking about 2025 in order to expand
the valuation and hit the news cycle
Kathy has decided to move out to
2027. generally Kathy talks about
five-year visions and the five-year
Vision has always been ending in 2025
but now that a couple years have gone by
it is time to talk about
2027 and Kathy Wood suggests that
Tesla's expected value per share is more
than 10 times what the share price is
today Tesla share price today is sitting
at
161.92 slightly trending down today but
what do we have here an expectation of
two thousand dollars per share two
thousand dollars per share divided by
161.9 puts us out actually at 12.3 X
from today's price
now why do they suggest this what do
their models show and what do we have in
the different cases well here we go Arc
has a model and their model projects the
following an expected value of two
thousand dollars this is their base case
scenario a bear case scenario with a 25
probability now Tesla ends up being
worth fourteen hundred dollars per share
so their bear case folks is that Tesla
only
6.7 or sorry 8.7 X's within the next
four years and the bull case is that
Tesla ends up being worth
twenty five hundred dollars or a
multiple of 15.5 x now let's understand
potentially why Tesla's perspective Robo
taxi business well according to orc be
the key driver contributing to what they
believe
58 of the value of the company and 45 of
their earnings that's because they
believe that cars will only represent
about 62 percent of the company's
Revenue uh at substantially lower
margins than Robo taxi network uh now
this is interesting because really
you're hitting on that sensitivity here
of a lot of people talking Tesla down
right now because margins have fallen
they're still phenomenal industry-wide
but they fell below expectations of less
than 20 percent gross margin so in other
words every 100 that Tesla makes per
vehicle their gross margin has fallen
below 20 dollars of gross profit per
vehicle and so I think this is sort of a
way to sort of defend and suggest hey
let the electric vehicle sell at a lower
margin but we actually think in a sort
of base case scenario that robotaxing is
going to massively Drive the value value
of this company that Robo taxi revenues
might only be 25 but because their
margins are going to be so high they'll
represent 45 percent of the company's
actual profits and 58 of the company's
value in other words
they believe at ARC that the car
business is only going to be worth
one-fourth of the valuation for Tesla so
in other words if we take two thousand
dollars per share by
2027. Kathy is suggesting that only 560
dollars of the share price will actually
be because of the car business so write
that out so you can see it of a two
thousand dollar 2027 Target you're
looking at five hundred and sixty
dollars of that would be because of the
cars whereas it appears 58 or
approximately
1160 dollars per share will be because
of Robo taxi so for example if you think
robotaxi is nonsensical then maybe your
price Target is 560 based on Kathy's
analysis plus of course a little bit of
revenue for stationary free energy
insurance and human driven ride hailing
now I actually think it's interesting
that stationary energy storage is so low
here given the explosion recently in
Tesla's storage uh division so this
would be a question that I have for Brad
is why such nominal forecasts for energy
storage it's possible that Arc believes
that energy storage will be a growth
business for Tesla but nowhere near to
the level that Robo taxi could end up
being or just really autonomy so let's
see what other inputs and outputs we
have here so in 2027 in a bear case
Tesla believes that or Arc it believes
that Tesla will sell 10.3 million
Vehicles wow whereas in the bull case
Arc believes that Tesla will sell
20.7 billion Vehicles now what's
remarkable is they've really reduced
their average selling prices
substantially here and now this could
potentially be a little bit concerning
given that in the last presentation that
Arc did they believed that in 2025 the
average selling price per Tesla would
actually be forty five thousand dollars
it appears to me that Arc has revised
their models to suggest Tesla is going
to sell vehicles a lot less per vehicle
than previously thought
however they're providing substantial
revenues because of electric vehicle
revenues we got those where is it here
it is autonomous ride hailing Revenue
now I think this really assumes that
Tesla is going to be able to get to not
just full autonomy uh at at you know a
level of 99 satisfaction but to a
hundred percent full autonomy because
the last thing you want are Teslas using
the uh last Hardware set which is most
Teslas uh that is a hardware three the
last thing you want are these tassels
being 99 effective but you still need to
have a human driver because even Kathy
believes that human-driven ride hailing
would be representative of a nominal
amount of Revenue relative to autonomous
now I think that's interesting because
Tesla hasn't even indicated any interest
yet in getting into
uh human driven ride hailing there is
talk about Robo taxi and there is talk
about that next Generation vehicle that
could be Robo taxi but so far we haven't
really heard about that because we're
just not at those FSD levels yet I did
notice that in their model it doesn't
appear that they're including FSD
Revenue but that's probably because
they're baking that into the average
selling price but that actually makes
the average selling prices look even
worse for these vehicles so I'm not
exactly sure where that FSD is unless of
course that's showing up in in the right
hailing segment segment which maybe it
is but I think there's a potential flaw
in not segmenting out the FSD so we
could see that a little bit more clearly
to understand okay how much do they
actually think these cars are going to
sell for and how much of that could be
FSD
either way the expectations here about
this massive Revenue Set uh from
autonomous ride hailing uh you know it's
I I don't know what to think about it
maybe I don't know what to think about
it yet because we're in a situation
where we haven't yet uh realized okay uh
what um what what does full self-driving
without a driver actually look like for
Tesla right so it's hard to speculate on
what this sort of autonomous ride
hailing Network could look like when we
haven't even gotten to that state of
Technology yet not only uh at a Tesla
but where we have it's been with a
totally different system if you look at
where we have achieved this sort of
self-driving like waymo it's a lidar
based system and theirs isn't perfect
but it's pretty good uh and in some
cases it drives around without a driver
it's pretty decent Tesla uses a
completely different system it's Vision
based rather than lidar based and more
sensor based so we haven't actually seen
Tesla be able to pull it off yet with
the exception of if you have FSD you
could drive around in your town and go
hmm Tesla can get through most scenarios
and I agree it could get through 95 of
my daily commute on basically full
autopilot but let's take a look at some
of the other comments made by Arc here a
recent flurry of progress in AI should
accelerate Innovation and autonomous
driving in the autonomous driving
industry in our view Tesla's vertical
integration strategy in Dojo training
supercomputers are a key competitive
Advantage suggest suggesting that
Tesla's plan to expand Dojo by two
orders of magnitude next year will help
the company shorten time between model
updates that's for your FSD model
updates a recent video of FSD software
updates uh or update includes One driver
who nearly completes a full ride hail
without touching the wheel the problem
is this nearly question right when is
that nearly going to go away when are we
going to get to without touching the
wheel at all yes we know that Tesla has
actually now over 150 uh let's see here
Tesla a own Fleet drives more than 120
million miles per day right but but in
over 1 million miles per day in FSD we
just got information from Elon Musk that
we're at 150 miles of FSD 150 million
miles of FSD uh driven miles which is
fantastic which is great uh Tesla's
Capital efficiency of course the company
is is one of the most efficient in terms
of factory production we hope that
continues that way uh and Tesla should
be able to grow quickly as the
expectation here uh they do give us a
6.6 billion dollar contribution to
Enterprise uh or two three percent
expected Enterprise Value in 2027. I
actually think that's relatively low
and I think we could see this battery
capacity for energy storage uh really be
a substantially a bigger percentage of
their uh of their valuation in the
future but then again Arc also has the
impression and they may be right that an
electron is an electron and that really
it's not that big of a deal to focus on
batteries you should be focused on where
the actual consumer value is because the
consumer doesn't care about the battery
they care about range and function and
use and the reality is they're right
about that now uh here they quote Elon
Musk or paraphrase him suggesting that
autonomous ride hailing will probably be
the biggest asset value in history this
is very optimistic assuming that Tesla
can pull off their FSD and I think
that's really where we want see they
even say themselves our simulation is
highly sensitive to the year in which
Tesla launches Robo taxis and I think
that all comes down to how great FSD is
now Elon Musk suggests FSD could be a
hundred percent done by
the end of this year but then again
we've kind of been hearing that for
years now so I think it still remains to
be seen when we're actually going to get
100 driverless Tesla and at that point
yeah maybe just maybe these projections
could be right but if it takes us
another 10 years to get to 100
driverless on a vision based system
these valuations fall apart and even Arc
realizes that's the Achilles heel in
this model in my opinion it's better to
take out any kind of expectations for uh
Robo taxis let that be the icing on the
cake and just look at Tesla as a vehicle
provider that also sells software and
for me those numbers put me well above a
400 price Target by 2025. if we get any
icing on the cake until or by then hey
fantastic and look I love hearing about
these high valuations because obviously
I'm a big uh a fan of Tesla I'm an
investor in Tesla and I'd love this to
happen I'm just not convinced that we're
just ready yet for this and I do also
think that it's interesting here that
they suggest in their five-year
investment Horizon that the Optimus
robot will basically not contribute
significantly to Tesla's valuation in
other words they're projecting no
progress on the robot or on the Optimus
so really Arc is saying the Optimus is
their icing on the cake I'm saying
Optimus and Robo taxi is the icing on
the cake for me I'm just gonna look at
this as a high margin business that's
selling a great product and a great
service for their customers and
hopefully that continues and I agree
with Elon Musk that the sunshine comes
out in 2024 and overall I'm pretty
bullish I'm also bullish on hopping over
to the course member live stream and
reminding you to join me in the course
member live streams tonight before 7 pm
today when we make that massive
transition and folks
see you in the next one but in the
meantime some pretty cool news there on
Tesla and uh hopefully you uh get to
participate in this uh
hopeful and explosive growth of Tesla
and this concludes Eric's peace on Tesla
thanks so much for watching I gotta run
to the course member live stream and
we'll see in the next one goodbye folks
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thank you
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