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Cathie Wood & Ark Invest EXPLODES Tesla Stock Thesis | Warning.

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well Kathy Wood has a new massive price

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Target out for Tesla but instead of

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talking about 2025 in order to expand

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the valuation and hit the news cycle

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Kathy has decided to move out to

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2027. generally Kathy talks about

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five-year visions and the five-year

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Vision has always been ending in 2025

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but now that a couple years have gone by

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it is time to talk about

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2027 and Kathy Wood suggests that

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Tesla's expected value per share is more

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than 10 times what the share price is

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today Tesla share price today is sitting

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at

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161.92 slightly trending down today but

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what do we have here an expectation of

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two thousand dollars per share two

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thousand dollars per share divided by

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161.9 puts us out actually at 12.3 X

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from today's price

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now why do they suggest this what do

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their models show and what do we have in

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the different cases well here we go Arc

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has a model and their model projects the

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following an expected value of two

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thousand dollars this is their base case

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scenario a bear case scenario with a 25

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probability now Tesla ends up being

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worth fourteen hundred dollars per share

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so their bear case folks is that Tesla

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only

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6.7 or sorry 8.7 X's within the next

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four years and the bull case is that

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Tesla ends up being worth

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twenty five hundred dollars or a

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multiple of 15.5 x now let's understand

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potentially why Tesla's perspective Robo

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taxi business well according to orc be

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the key driver contributing to what they

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believe

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58 of the value of the company and 45 of

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their earnings that's because they

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believe that cars will only represent

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about 62 percent of the company's

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Revenue uh at substantially lower

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margins than Robo taxi network uh now

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this is interesting because really

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you're hitting on that sensitivity here

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of a lot of people talking Tesla down

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right now because margins have fallen

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they're still phenomenal industry-wide

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but they fell below expectations of less

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than 20 percent gross margin so in other

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words every 100 that Tesla makes per

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vehicle their gross margin has fallen

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below 20 dollars of gross profit per

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vehicle and so I think this is sort of a

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way to sort of defend and suggest hey

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let the electric vehicle sell at a lower

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margin but we actually think in a sort

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of base case scenario that robotaxing is

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going to massively Drive the value value

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of this company that Robo taxi revenues

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might only be 25 but because their

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margins are going to be so high they'll

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represent 45 percent of the company's

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actual profits and 58 of the company's

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value in other words

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they believe at ARC that the car

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business is only going to be worth

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one-fourth of the valuation for Tesla so

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in other words if we take two thousand

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dollars per share by

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2027. Kathy is suggesting that only 560

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dollars of the share price will actually

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be because of the car business so write

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that out so you can see it of a two

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thousand dollar 2027 Target you're

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looking at five hundred and sixty

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dollars of that would be because of the

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cars whereas it appears 58 or

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approximately

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1160 dollars per share will be because

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of Robo taxi so for example if you think

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robotaxi is nonsensical then maybe your

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price Target is 560 based on Kathy's

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analysis plus of course a little bit of

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revenue for stationary free energy

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insurance and human driven ride hailing

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now I actually think it's interesting

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that stationary energy storage is so low

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here given the explosion recently in

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Tesla's storage uh division so this

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would be a question that I have for Brad

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is why such nominal forecasts for energy

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storage it's possible that Arc believes

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that energy storage will be a growth

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business for Tesla but nowhere near to

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the level that Robo taxi could end up

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being or just really autonomy so let's

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see what other inputs and outputs we

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have here so in 2027 in a bear case

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Tesla believes that or Arc it believes

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that Tesla will sell 10.3 million

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Vehicles wow whereas in the bull case

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Arc believes that Tesla will sell

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20.7 billion Vehicles now what's

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remarkable is they've really reduced

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their average selling prices

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substantially here and now this could

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potentially be a little bit concerning

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given that in the last presentation that

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Arc did they believed that in 2025 the

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average selling price per Tesla would

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actually be forty five thousand dollars

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it appears to me that Arc has revised

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their models to suggest Tesla is going

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to sell vehicles a lot less per vehicle

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than previously thought

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however they're providing substantial

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revenues because of electric vehicle

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revenues we got those where is it here

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it is autonomous ride hailing Revenue

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now I think this really assumes that

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Tesla is going to be able to get to not

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just full autonomy uh at at you know a

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level of 99 satisfaction but to a

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hundred percent full autonomy because

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the last thing you want are Teslas using

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the uh last Hardware set which is most

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Teslas uh that is a hardware three the

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last thing you want are these tassels

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being 99 effective but you still need to

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have a human driver because even Kathy

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believes that human-driven ride hailing

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would be representative of a nominal

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amount of Revenue relative to autonomous

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now I think that's interesting because

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Tesla hasn't even indicated any interest

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yet in getting into

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uh human driven ride hailing there is

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talk about Robo taxi and there is talk

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about that next Generation vehicle that

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could be Robo taxi but so far we haven't

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really heard about that because we're

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just not at those FSD levels yet I did

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notice that in their model it doesn't

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appear that they're including FSD

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Revenue but that's probably because

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they're baking that into the average

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selling price but that actually makes

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the average selling prices look even

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worse for these vehicles so I'm not

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exactly sure where that FSD is unless of

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course that's showing up in in the right

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hailing segment segment which maybe it

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is but I think there's a potential flaw

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in not segmenting out the FSD so we

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could see that a little bit more clearly

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to understand okay how much do they

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actually think these cars are going to

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sell for and how much of that could be

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FSD

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either way the expectations here about

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this massive Revenue Set uh from

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autonomous ride hailing uh you know it's

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I I don't know what to think about it

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maybe I don't know what to think about

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it yet because we're in a situation

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where we haven't yet uh realized okay uh

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what um what what does full self-driving

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without a driver actually look like for

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Tesla right so it's hard to speculate on

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what this sort of autonomous ride

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hailing Network could look like when we

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haven't even gotten to that state of

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Technology yet not only uh at a Tesla

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but where we have it's been with a

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totally different system if you look at

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where we have achieved this sort of

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self-driving like waymo it's a lidar

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based system and theirs isn't perfect

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but it's pretty good uh and in some

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cases it drives around without a driver

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it's pretty decent Tesla uses a

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completely different system it's Vision

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based rather than lidar based and more

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sensor based so we haven't actually seen

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Tesla be able to pull it off yet with

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the exception of if you have FSD you

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could drive around in your town and go

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hmm Tesla can get through most scenarios

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and I agree it could get through 95 of

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my daily commute on basically full

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autopilot but let's take a look at some

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of the other comments made by Arc here a

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recent flurry of progress in AI should

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accelerate Innovation and autonomous

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driving in the autonomous driving

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industry in our view Tesla's vertical

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integration strategy in Dojo training

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supercomputers are a key competitive

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Advantage suggest suggesting that

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Tesla's plan to expand Dojo by two

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orders of magnitude next year will help

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the company shorten time between model

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updates that's for your FSD model

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updates a recent video of FSD software

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updates uh or update includes One driver

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who nearly completes a full ride hail

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without touching the wheel the problem

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is this nearly question right when is

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that nearly going to go away when are we

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going to get to without touching the

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wheel at all yes we know that Tesla has

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actually now over 150 uh let's see here

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Tesla a own Fleet drives more than 120

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million miles per day right but but in

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over 1 million miles per day in FSD we

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just got information from Elon Musk that

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we're at 150 miles of FSD 150 million

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miles of FSD uh driven miles which is

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fantastic which is great uh Tesla's

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Capital efficiency of course the company

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is is one of the most efficient in terms

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of factory production we hope that

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continues that way uh and Tesla should

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be able to grow quickly as the

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expectation here uh they do give us a

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6.6 billion dollar contribution to

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Enterprise uh or two three percent

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expected Enterprise Value in 2027. I

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actually think that's relatively low

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and I think we could see this battery

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capacity for energy storage uh really be

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a substantially a bigger percentage of

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their uh of their valuation in the

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future but then again Arc also has the

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impression and they may be right that an

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electron is an electron and that really

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it's not that big of a deal to focus on

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batteries you should be focused on where

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the actual consumer value is because the

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consumer doesn't care about the battery

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they care about range and function and

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use and the reality is they're right

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about that now uh here they quote Elon

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Musk or paraphrase him suggesting that

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autonomous ride hailing will probably be

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the biggest asset value in history this

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is very optimistic assuming that Tesla

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can pull off their FSD and I think

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that's really where we want see they

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even say themselves our simulation is

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highly sensitive to the year in which

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Tesla launches Robo taxis and I think

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that all comes down to how great FSD is

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now Elon Musk suggests FSD could be a

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hundred percent done by

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the end of this year but then again

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we've kind of been hearing that for

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years now so I think it still remains to

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be seen when we're actually going to get

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100 driverless Tesla and at that point

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yeah maybe just maybe these projections

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could be right but if it takes us

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another 10 years to get to 100

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driverless on a vision based system

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these valuations fall apart and even Arc

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realizes that's the Achilles heel in

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this model in my opinion it's better to

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take out any kind of expectations for uh

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Robo taxis let that be the icing on the

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cake and just look at Tesla as a vehicle

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provider that also sells software and

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for me those numbers put me well above a

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400 price Target by 2025. if we get any

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icing on the cake until or by then hey

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fantastic and look I love hearing about

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these high valuations because obviously

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I'm a big uh a fan of Tesla I'm an

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investor in Tesla and I'd love this to

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happen I'm just not convinced that we're

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just ready yet for this and I do also

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think that it's interesting here that

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they suggest in their five-year

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investment Horizon that the Optimus

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robot will basically not contribute

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significantly to Tesla's valuation in

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other words they're projecting no

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progress on the robot or on the Optimus

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so really Arc is saying the Optimus is

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their icing on the cake I'm saying

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Optimus and Robo taxi is the icing on

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the cake for me I'm just gonna look at

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this as a high margin business that's

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selling a great product and a great

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service for their customers and

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hopefully that continues and I agree

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with Elon Musk that the sunshine comes

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out in 2024 and overall I'm pretty

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bullish I'm also bullish on hopping over

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to the course member live stream and

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reminding you to join me in the course

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member live streams tonight before 7 pm

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today when we make that massive

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transition and folks

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see you in the next one but in the

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meantime some pretty cool news there on

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Tesla and uh hopefully you uh get to

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participate in this uh

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hopeful and explosive growth of Tesla

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and this concludes Eric's peace on Tesla

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thanks so much for watching I gotta run

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to the course member live stream and

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we'll see in the next one goodbye folks

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thank you

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