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All right, Kevin Hasset on CNBC telling
us the labor market is going into nap
time. I haven't watched it yet, but the
headline is that it's going into a quiet
time. And I'm like, what is this?
Preschool? We going to nappy doodle
time? Is this is this really what we
want? The director of the NEC saying
right before the jobs reports come out.
Is this why we're not going to get the
October report? We know the September
report is coming out on Thursday. We
know we got ADP coming out tomorrow
morning for the weekly moving average,
but where's the announcement about when
we're going to get the October report? I
don't know. Oh, and here's Sarah. Oh,
but anyway, we got to watch this video.
Let's see what it is.
>> National Economic Council director uh
Kevin Hasset. Good morning, Kevin. How
are you?
>> You guys had a great uh marriage session
there. Marriage counseling session. I
think there's hope for you two.
>> There there's hope. We got maybe it we
cover the cover the
>> shill shill shill anything that distract
from jobs.
>> Uh maybe the truth is somewhere uh in in
the middle. Uh Kevin and I I have been
fairly optimistic when people come on
about uh the US economy. I can find a
lot of positive things. Um why do you
think affordability is such a buzzword
uh right now? Now, I mean, we we lived
through 9% inflation and I think Biden
years they it averaged over 5%.
>> For those four years,
>> we're at the highest levels that we've
seen in recently at 3%. Why all of a
sudden is it uh I don't know, is it
Trump's fault?
>> Right. Well, I mean, for sure people
still are trying to dig out from the big
hole that was dug by uh the previous
administration's policies. So, if you
figure the typical mortgage uh payment
uh monthly mortgage payment about
doubled, uh if you look at a typical bag
of groceries, the monthly bag of
groceries cost about $400 when President
Trump was uh leaving.
>> I I hate this stuff, by the way, because
so much of what these politicians talk
about just ignores the reality that both
Trump and Biden contributed to the
original stimulative stimulative COVID
inflation. both of them
>> office last time and about $512.
What the Democrats are doing is they're
saying that this uh runaway uh spending
that we gave you guys uh that created
runaway inflation is 100% your fault uh
because you haven't fixed blah blah blah
blah. All right, let's let's actually
get to some like meat here, which
hopefully comes when we get a question
asked
>> because real
average weekly wages fell during during
the Biden years because of the
inflation.
>> That's right.
>> Right. So, it fell. However, the
president uh is constantly saying prices
have come down. Now, inflation is still
3%. It's still too high. Now, oil
prices, energy prices, there are certain
>> He's countering the White House's idea
that, oh, prices are coming down. That's
because Donald Trump is looking at, you
know, these miscellaneous
cherrypicked data points where like, oh,
well, egg prices have come down. Yeah,
we had to callull a crapload of
chickens, which led to a shortage in
eggs. Guess what happens when there's a
shortage? The price goes up and then it
comes down. And Trump's like, see, I'm
responsible for the price coming down.
It's such nonsense. Prices are still
going up and that's what's frustrating
people. This, you know, we were in the
alpha report this morning. We're looking
at Walmart. My by the way, I almost
vomited when I saw what Walmart did in
other income to make their EPS come up.
That's the kind of stuff we talk about
in the alpha report. Remember, you can
join using coupon code NVDA uh before
Wednesday. But what what I saw at
Walmart was that above inflation,
they're barely growing. They're growing
like 1 and a.5% above inflation. Now, in
fairness, they're able to pass on the
inflation to their customers, and they
are showing increasing sales, whereas
Target is showing decreasing sales. So,
you got to give Walmart credit. And they
also just bought back like $6 billion
worth of stock in 6 months. I mean,
they're buying back like a billion
dollars of stock per freaking month.
They got so much freaking money. It's
amazing. Anyway,
>> uh things where they have come down, but
when you keep saying prices are falling,
that's not true. Uh, THANK YOU. CALL HIM
OUT. Now watch. Kevin Hasset ends up
shilling. Well, you know, the price of
eggs has come down. Man, he'll look such
a clown. You can't do that. Don't do
that, Hass.
Because inflation is still it's the 3%
is on top of all the inflation we had
during the Biden years. So, we got all
that inflation plus an additional 3%.
And we I think you should admit that
>> a more a more precise way to say it
though, Joe, is that purchasing power
has gone up. So real wages, that's W
divided by P for our technical people in
the audience.
>> Oh my gosh. Let's just let's just def
redefine
what's going on. What he's really doing
with real wages, by the way, and we
could look at this, but if real wages
did decline because when inflation was
9%, of course, wages weren't catching up
to that, right? So he's comparing to
that and saying, okay, yeah, may maybe
inflation is still high, but but hey,
man, you know, real earnings are going
up now. uh and he's referring to this
trend uh that occurred after uh really
it started you know we bottomed out here
in about the second quarter of 2022 and
since then we've had a trend of real
wages going up. It's hard for I feel
like Trump to take credit for that
because this real wage uptrend is really
just a reversal of the downtrend
following all this insane inflation that
we had that really peaked out in 22. So
of course inflation's no longer 9%. It's
like 3% now. So, of course, real wages
look like they're going up. I mean,
really, if you want, you could go to
this I like this website for this
purpose, but you could go ahead and
throw in here CPI. So, let's throw in uh
inflation,
all items, and then let's go ahead add
that data series, but we're going to
have to do a percent change from a year
ago. And let's just we'll go to like
semiannual or whatever. I'd like to
normalize these two. this uh uh the top
line and let's go to line number one
here. Let's go with percent change from
a year ago. So if you look in here
postco we zoom in a little bit. There
you go. This is what I wanted to show
you. This is exactly what I was verbally
describing. We just basically built a
chart to show you this. When inflation
is high, when the green line is high, of
course the blue line's going to go down.
And when the green line starts coming
down, of course they start converging.
Duh. That's historically what has always
happened. So Kevin Hasset, this is not
happening because of you. It's happening
in spite of you. Gone up by about $1,200
this year. So, the way to think about it
is that we've dug a $3,000 hole because
of Biden policies and we've, you know,
gained $1,200 on the way out already,
which should give you a great deal of
hope for the future that the wage
increases that we're seeing will
continue. And, uh, even if inflation
stays positive, make it so that people
feel way better when they go to the
grocery store and to buy a car. You
know, we've we've reduced the cost of
buying a car with the deductibility of
interest. I mean, there's a million
things that we're doing to fix this
problem, but it's just kind of
astonishing to me that the the cost
problem is somehow being uh blamed on
us. Now, think about if you had I mean,
part of the cost problem, mind you, or
tariffs. The the short-term impact of
tariffs will increase the cost uh of
goods and services. This is normal,
mostly goods, but it can trickle into
services. This this idea that oh well
now we're giving you a tax credit on
your interest for a car loan just
motivates Americans to get into debt.
This is the opposite of what you should
be doing. In addition to this, you know,
wouldn't it be nice if they actually
reduced car prices? You know how to
actually reduce car prices?
Let the Chinese sell their cars here.
Let the free market win. You want a free
and fair market? Open the doors to
Chinese cars. Let our American
manufacturers like Ford and GM compete
against the Chinese. And guess what's
going to happen? Ford and GM are either
going to have to dramatically cut their
prices and figure out how to get
dramatically more efficient in their
factories or they're going to go
bankrupt because cars are going to get
so damn cheap. So how about instead of
hey Americans, why don't you finance a
$50,000 average price car now and you
know you could write off the interest
when the interest is, you know, mega
high right now. I mean, I there some of
the car dealers are doing introductory
financing, you know, like 1% or
whatever, but I mean, let's be real,
you're just paying more for the car when
you get that. How about instead of
encouraging people to get into debt and
then you're not writing off that much
interest anyway if the interest rate is
1%, right? Like the irony. If you take
the 0% introductory offer, how much of
the tax write off are you going? If you
take market interest rates, you're
paying through the nose for debt at the
worst time to do it. Worst time to take
on debt right now. And you're paying for
inflated car values. You want cheaper
cars, let the Chinese bring their cars
here. Oh, no, no, no. We're tariffing
the Chinese. Well, exactly. You are
robbing the opportunity of the American
consumer to have a cheaper car. Now,
Biden won't do it either. This is not
bagging on Republicans. Democrats don't
want Chinese cars either because that's
anti-American. But it's 100% capitalism.
You will have massive deflation in cars
if you let the Chinese actually sell
their cars here. And it would be a win
for every single American. Every single
American would win.
>> Especially with the Obamacare thing. So
Obamacare is 100% Democratic.
>> If somebody here goes, Kevin, what about
dumping? DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT
dumping is?
Listen, this idea of dumping is comes
from companies who overmanufacture
products because they want a competitive
advantage and they're like, "We have all
this product. Let's just sell it. Sell
it. Even if we sell it for a loss, what
you do is when you sell a product for a
loss, eventually those manufacturers go
out of business and eventually you find
an equilibrium. But the idea is that
they can manufacture so much cheaper
than us. Who wins when a manufacturer
dumps on us? I mean, think about it. If
I was a solar panel company in America,
I'd be like, "Please dump all over me.
Dump on me more. Please, please dump on
me because it makes it cheaper for me to
do things." That's capitalism. Now, if
that means that because they're selling
at a loss, they go bankrupt. That's on
them. Then another Chinese company will
take over and sell panels at a slight
margin, but the margins will be tiny.
You can't make money selling solar
panels. You know, you make money selling
like batteries and inverters, but
there's only a limited amount of time
for that. So, you know, this this idea
that as a consumer, you should be
disappointed about dumping is insane. If
you are buying stuff, you should be
like, "Please dump on me." The only
people who are pissed are people who
can't compete for the long term. in
manufacturing because if somebody's
dumping, they will drive themselves out
of business if they're selling at a
loss. And if they're selling for a low
margin, let them let them sell for a low
margin. It's great for people buying
policy. It's always been 100% democratic
policy. What they did is they expanded
the subsidies during CO and then all
those subsidies basically went
>> Why would you produce those cars in
America? Fear Furd Furd 10. horrible
tank. I would agree if they produce
those cars in America. How the hell are
you gonna manufacture cars in America
when you have to pay people $30 an hour
plus workers comp? So now you got $40 an
hour plus payroll taxes plus paid time
off plus holiday benefits plus all the
that it takes to hire somebody
in America. You know how hard the
American government has made it to
actually hire American workers? It's so
damn expensive. The only person who
says, "Yeah, go manufacture cars with
American labor." are the people who have
never hired an employee in their life.
They have never run a payroll statement.
And they're like, "Holy it's
expensive to do stuff in America." Bro,
you got people in China who are
literally walking for $800 a month.
And that's so they can get by. And you
know how you actually help those people
get ahead? By buying their stuff. As
soon as you stop buying their stuff,
they make even less. Welcome to
capitalism, dude. But what you want to
pay $800, bro? You're paying $800 a day
to an American factory worker. Maybe
every two days, you pay $800 a month in
China. And who benefits? Well, I'll tell
you who benefits. The consumer in
America benefits. And that worker
working for $800 a month benefits
because their wages can actually start
going up. Now, who loses is the factory
worker making $40 an hour in America,
but you could go make that money
somewhere else.
There aren't that many factory workers
in America. You're talking about a UAW
with 400,000 workers. You know how many
households drive cars in America? It's
like 110 million. We've got 110 million
households in America who drive cars and
benefit from cheaper cars. And if you're
shilling for 3 or 400,000 auto workers,
what you should be doing is
incentivizing them to get jobs in future
service industries in America. AI,
robotics, whatever. Train them. Give
them money. Give them stimulus. Help
them. But let 110 million American
families have cheaper damn cars. Take
care of the people who get hurt in the
transition. And let capitalism do its
job. Then you'll have cheaper uh cheaper
cars. You'll have better consumerism.
You you'll have you'll have a stronger
economy across the board. It's insane.
It's insane. Somebody says, "I'm okay
with Sydney Sweeney dumping on me, too."
Dude, I went to American Eagle to try to
take a selfie with a Sydney Sweeney
poster. Not a single one. And I'm like,
what the hell is this? What the hell is
this? There's not a single Sweeney
poster in American Eagle. I was so
disappointed. So disappointed. It's just
terrible. Dude, you keep skipping the
part where they terrify. Bro, shut up.
This is the dumbest argument. It pisses
me off being like, "Oh, but Kevin, they
tariff us." Dude, trade weighted tariffs
against the United States were 1.5%.
The US has trade weighted tariffs on
other countries to the tune of 18%
before loopholes and 12% after loopholes
which means we have literally 8 to 14xed
the tariffs that other countries are
putting on us. this idea that oh but
yeah do it dude you don't actually look
at the data if you believe that you've
lost your mind if you don't actually
look at the data but Kevin Canada has
150% tariffs on our apples and how many
of those 150% tariffs do you think are
paid zero zero dollars at 150% have ever
been paid why it's just an extreme quota
and then of course you know Trump likes
to cherrypick this extreme quota that
never gets paid because it's popular to
his base of people who don't actually
have any ounce of critical thought.
>> Right into the pockets of insurance
companies and uh Obamacare insurance
policies have doubled.
>> Somebody's like, "How much did you
pocket for this?" I wish the CCP would
pay me money. Please sponsor me, CCP.
I'm not sponsored by any country. I I go
make I go make a video about Russia and
Ukraine and people are like, "How much
did Zilinski pay you, Kevin?" I go make
a video about Israel and Iran. How how
much did Israel pay you, Kevin? It's
always funny like I super transparent
with I make my money. You know where we
make lots of money? The Meet Kevin Alpha
Report because people love it. They love
the perspective because they absorb the
perspective. They're like, "Kevin,
Kevin, dump perspective on me. Please
dump it all on me." [laughter]
in price relative to normal policies.
And so the fastest inflation in the
economy is these big government
subsidies thrown at Obamacare insurance.
Think about it. It's kind of like if you
give lots of uh student loans, then the
tuition goes up. It's that effect. And
so,
>> bro, yes. And you literally just talked
about incentivizing people taking car
debt
and wow. Yeah. Then tuition goes up. The
same's GOING TO HAPPEN WITH CAR PRICES,
YOU YOU'RE TALKING out of both
sides of your damn mouth, Kevin Hasset.
You're pissing me off. You're literally,
oh, if you incentivize student loans,
student loan, like the cost of how
schooling is going to go up. Well,
you're literally just 30 seconds ago
talking about how you're incentivizing
people taking out car debt. Are you
crazy?
Now they're blaming President Trump for
Obamacare as well. They should have
fixed Obamacare in the first place. And
President Trump had a plan in the big
beautiful bill uh to give people some
subsidies, but the Democrats didn't like
it because the subsidies weren't going
to their campaign contributors, the
insurance companies.
Bro, where where was the juice of the
article? Maybe I missed it cuz I was too
busy screaming at this AI
could be causing quiet time in labor
market. Maybe he slipped it in there.
But what does he say? What does he say
here? firms are finding that AI is
making their workers so productive that
they don't necessarily have to hire new
kids out of college. I don't believe
this. This is not consistent with the
data that we are seeing. The data we are
seeing suggests I mean McKenzie
literally just did a report on this uh
and I broke it down too but McKenzie had
a whole piece where they're like yeah a
lot of firms are working on implementing
artificial intelligence and like 80% of
workers at a lot of these companies use
artificial intelligence for at least one
purpose. uh but they're not finding that
it's directly correlated with this
sudden or like somehow massive surge of
productivity. They're not seeing that
correlation. We're not actually seeing
the outcomes yet. Now, will we hopefully
think Kevin Hasset has to say this
because it's like what they're really
doing is they're rebranding joblessness.
They're really trying to say, "Hey guys,
uh yeah, uh the reason you're seeing
this pain in jobs is actually because
everybody's so efficient and the economy
is booming so well. The joblessness, I
mean, think about the manipulation here.
They're basically telling you guys,
guys, joblessness. Oh, people are losing
jobs. Oh, that's actually because the
economy is doing so well. EVERYTHING'S
DOING SO WELL. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE are
losing jobs. What are you smoking, K?"
This is why I call this guy the greatest
shill, man. Full I mean, look,
McKenzie,
2025, November 5th. Okay, almost all
survey respondents say their
organizations are using AI, but most are
still in the early stages of scaling and
capturing value. And so if you actually
read this report, you're like, "Hey, you
know, we're we're using it, but we're
not really seeing any impact on EBIT."
39% report an EBIT impact. 64% say,
"Hey, maybe this is helping us with
innovation." But this means the vast
majority see no impact to EBIT. And this
is also some of this I feel like is
branding. You know, companies want to
justify why they're spending so much
more money on a software, artificial
intelligence software, but if you
actually go through the documents and or
like the information here, people are
like, "Yeah, you know, we're using it.
We're touching on it, but we're we don't
really know like how this is actually
helping us or transforming the
business." Read the whole report. It's
uh what is it? Just type in McKenzie,
the state of AI 2025. That was my
takeaway when I read it. Uh but anyway,
AI uh and then of course you're seeing
sort of that like slowdown in GPT
adoption already, right? That user
growth for GPT slowing down somewhat of
a of of an early potential red flag. But
anyway, what do we have here? Uh we have
uh artificial intelligence may actually
be increasing worker productivity. This
is the the the go-to thesis, but that
that could take 10 years, you know, it
could take 10 years for you to actually
see this productivity show up. That's
probably my biggest fear is that you
have layoffs because companies feel like
they could do more with AI but their
revenues aren't necessarily going up. So
then you get layoffs and then you have
this like you know 4 to 10year gap where
people are like oh we could actually
hire for these AI roles like that that
halfpipe so to speak is is very
dangerous because that bottom portion
will really suck because in that bottom
portion the Fed could be printing money
and you won't actually end up getting
anything out of it. GDP rose at the
strongest pace in the second quarter of
2025.
Well in fairness that's also because it
tanked in Q1. So you had this sort of
like Q2 reversal of Q1's drops dropped
because of the tariff insanity. So to
cite Q2 GDP is also I'm sorry,
but it's it's just shilling the Trump
administration and it it's just wrong.
Uh but okay, because there's so much
output growth and income growth. That's
the kind of thing that a free market
will work out relatively quickly as you
know. Uh and we find new ways to find to
spend money. Uh-huh. Okay. Pure pure
shilling. Okay. Uh David Saxs the AI in
cryptozar said earlier there will be no
bailout for AI after uh the CFO asked
for bailouts basically you know put the
hot air balloon up. Hasset's comments
also came as Trump and allies have tried
to refocus their message on
affordability. Uh you've got Hasset
saying grocery prices uh have uh not
come down during Trump's second term
despite the president's claims
otherwise. people are still trying to
dig out from the big hole that was dug,
right? Okay. So, I don't know where this
quote comes from that they have over
here about this quiet time, but uh
apparently they have this quote here
somewhere. Now, it it's interesting
because if you reconcile it with with
this, you know, this is really your big
black swan right now that's becoming
more and more clear every day. We hope
that this doesn't actually boil over
into a real crisis. But there are real
risks here that what we're seeing in
private credit ends up boiling over. Uh
and so Jeffrey Gunlock, he says load up
on cash. Stay away from private credit.
Assets are overpriced. Investors are
incredibly speculative. This is where we
pointed out like you've got this Cyber
Mike guy who's saying, "Oh my gosh, the
robo taxi math is wild. We could do robo
taxis at a dollar a mile at 80% margins.
And I'm like, you know, this is why you
can't buy Tesla at a good price because
people are shilling these insane
numbers. Even Kathy Woods at like 50
cents a mile or and I I think it's even
way less way lower than that how much
you're going to actually be able to earn
per mile because you you just saturate
the market with robo taxes. It's going
to be very difficult to maintain these
these high prices. Uh, I mean there's a
reason I feel like why Tesla is
massively trying to undercut the pricing
market right now. That's because they're
trying to lost lead to to, you know,
drive as much demand as they can, which
is fine. It's a reasonable strategy as
you're trying to enter the market. I
mean, there's really no difference
between like this whole like dumping
idea and Tesla dumping the value of robo
taxi ride prices. They're trying to gain
market share, right? Who benefits? The
writer, the consumer benefits. So, you
got the same people that are like, "Oh,
we should be anti-China dumping cuz
you're going to hurt our manufacturing
base." Those same people are like, "I
love that Tesla charges below market
rates for Uber rides, you know, robo
taxi rides." It's like, it's just
another form of dumping. Just it doesn't
maybe align with exactly what they want
for their portfolio. But I think
Gonlock's got a point here. This, you
know, overpriced asset concern, uh,
nosebleleed valuations, he warns about.
He recommends a 20% cash position to
hedge against a market implosion. Uh
probably not bad. I mean like I Buffett
famously puts it that cash is like the
best call option that you could ever ask
for because it's a call option on every
asset class with no expiration.
The health of the US equity market is
among the least healthy in my career.
The market is incredibly speculative and
speculative markets always go to
insanely high levels. It happens every
time. which I remember when I read this
the first time I'm like that sounds
bullish. [laughter]
We still have another leg boys. Uh but
anyway, he talks about garbage lending
references how the same thing happened
in the subprime crisis. I mean it's
fair. This is always what happens is you
end up getting uh people who package
together insane uh products that that
are trash products. They slice them up
and they slap a AAA rated on it. Uh here
Gunlock even says that Gunlock drew
parallels to inflated AAA ratings of
subprime mortgages, right? I mean you
have to understand if you are a ratings
business, right? If you're in the market
of selling ratings,
if somebody calls you uh and says, uh,
hey, uh, I need a rating for my bundle
of trash. Will you please rate my bundle
of trash? I I I want to sell it. If you
say, "Yeah, we'll rate it, but you know,
we're going to we're going to give it a
real rating here." Versus some other guy
who's like, "Hey, man. Yeah, we we'll
get you a good rating. Just sign up with
us." You know, you're always going to
end up getting the rating going to the
person who's basically on the phone
promising you that they're going to
bring you in at a AAA rating. So, the
ratings are always going to be bull
crap. This is why what we saw with
Renovo was so shocking where like the
loans were worth a hundred cents on the
dollar and then all of a sudden they
were deemed to be worthless. That's when
Renova went bankrupt, which I want to go
through this, but this is, you know, the
New York Times basically did a whole
piece on how uh, you know, all of these
employees, about 1,500 employees
abruptly got terminated. They're not
getting their money back for money they
spent on gas. They're getting screwed
because private equity came in and and
destroyed these people's ability to get
a check. Now, you got 1500 unemployed
people. We got people without uh you
know with halffinish projects and all
these corporations that were sold into a
rollup a private equity rollup uh yeah
here rolled up to uh uh you know led by
BlackRock and they just go bankrupt it
because that's always how it works. It's
the Wall Street greed that just ends up
bankrupting uh uh you know good business
unfortunately because you got to squeeze
these crazy uh profits out of uh you
know AAA rated bull crap. It's scary.
And so the question I think for Gunlock
is just how deep does it go? [music] And
I don't think we can listen to Hasset at
all because I think he's just frankly
the greatest shill of the
administration. He does a great job. you
know, he's basically like the Carolyn
Levit of economics. It's insane. Uh it's
minister of propaganda, but for the
economic side. Uh so, you know, I I
don't trust it as far as I could throw
them. And that's not going to be very
far.
>> Why not advertise [music] these things
that you told us here? I feel like
nobody else knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes.
>> Congratulations, [music] man. You have
done so much. People love you. People
look up to you.
>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
and [music] YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always
great to get your
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