A Complete Profit Collapse...
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gotta talk of bears bear peace straight
from TS Lombard on a potential profit
collapse or is there uh or will we just
get more weight Cuts let's find out all
right let's see the best one can get out
of the latest GDP numbers are indicators
from last week are indications for the
quarter ahead and the upturn in
non-financial profit so outside Banks
right profits outside Banks there is no
ongoing profit squeeze to finally
contract growth in Q3 slowing yes but
contraction no okay fine profits lead
wages and hiring And precede Capital
spending so in English profits first
then you hire then you invest
all this ties together to determine
Trend inflation Real gross domestic
income has been falling despite Rising
GDP because of profits as corporate
profits can go up without necessarily
Rising incomes yet
with this quarter's turnaround gross
domestic income Rose half of a percent
in Q2 after declining 3.3 percent in Q4
and 1.8 percent in q1 GD expect GDI to
be adjusted upward in September Bureau
of economic analysis has reset its
treatment of net interest
as much of the income should be more
reliable in terms of an indicator of the
economy GDI is what typically ends up
taking on the bulk of the adjustment
okay great so what does all of this
actually mean and what does it matter
well here's this pretty neat chart and
it basically shows you this pretty
strong correlation between hiring and
margins as margins go up you tend to get
more hiring and as you get more hiring
the goal is hopefully margins continue
to go up and once margins Begin to Fall
hiring Falls and there could be a little
bit of a mismatch lead and lag in this
depending on when some of these things
are reported but intuitively this makes
sense companies make less money they uh
on on gross profit they end up hiring
less
great so employment growth excluding
White Collar about to reverse now I
thought this was a very interesting
title because it really suggests that
look we have had this nearly White
Collar recession here right blue being
white collar here black being blue color
which is kind of ironic you think they
would have used blue for blue color but
anyway
you can see that blue collar employment
has been very very strong and this is
one of the reasons some have actually
called this recession or whatever we're
in a rich session in other words oh the
wealthier Richer people are getting
screwed more they're able to buy less
Teslas they're able to buy less infase
solar panels and they're basically
getting screwed because you know these
finance jobs are getting laid off
Goldman Sachs is doing another round of
layoffs the banking crisis led to
layoffs what's fascinating though is
this potential that we might be at an
inflection point we might have hit a
bottom in the white collar Rich session
so to speak this could by the way
correlate although we did have recent
news with the Tesla Model 3 Highland
release it could potentially correlate
with an increase that we're seeing in
search trends for buy Tesla I'm not a
big fan of just searching for models uh
when you look at Google Trends and I
don't mean like women models I'm I'm
talking about like Tesla Model three
search results I'm a big fan of just
searching things like buy Tesla or lease
Tesla or cost to buy Tesla and we are
seeing an indication as we talked about
earlier that we're trending back up
above that 50 percent uh relative
strength level we usually don't stay
above that for very long but the longer
we can stay above or near 50 the better
it ultimately is for Tesla sales so
really important and it is possible
that if you end up getting a recovery in
White Collar employment you could end up
sooner rather than later ending up
seeing these companies that that
originally you know I I personally
thought as well like you know oh okay
this was you know if we're gonna have an
inflation recession it was just going to
be it was solely going to be the poor
folks that ended up getting hurt and
what ended up happening was it was yes
poorer folks got hurt by inflation that
was true but the people who were really
getting layoffs and a lack of pay raises
were the finance folks or the white
collar people the office workers the HR
workers AI hit that sector as well as
opposed to the blue collar and so that
ends up hating stocks like and Tesla and
otherwise right even honestly going down
to PC demand office demand office
equipment demand office furniture demand
uh Home Furniture demand Restoration
Hardware and you know all this sort of
stuff
profit margins were never going to stay
at 2021-22 levels obviously they they
reflected a transitory peak in demand
and pricing power this is very true the
inevitable deceleration slows wage
growth and hiring that's true and that's
what we're seeing now at the same time
inflation from Peak demand and Peak Cove
disruptions also unwinds and unwinds for
a longer term therein lies the magic
formula of immaculatus inflation oh I
love it when I say that TS Lombard's
such a bear but that's okay aided by
tighter but not too tight monetary
policy profit margins stabilizing in Q2
at still high levels toss is a monkey
wrench into the idea of uh basically the
FED cutting uh so here's TS Lombard
coming out with their bear piece they're
saying look if you're getting
stabilization stabilization and profit
margins in Q2 then stabilizations and
profit margins are going to lead to more
hiring more hiring is going to lead to
the likelihood that you need to keep
rates higher but that's that maybe one
more raid hike that even Goolsby is
talking about is pretty much a straight
up dove
and ultimately
staying higher uh for for a longer level
right so so you get that extra rate hike
maybe we top out but it just takes a lot
longer to start getting cuts and the
cuts come slower than expected remember
there's this belief that the FED might
cut 25 BP at every meeting they could
also skip on the way down you could go
25 BP skip 25 BP skip until of course
something breaks but anyway this is a
problem that T.S Lombard argues and it
really Echoes what Bank of America said
this morning which suggests that his
stocks will probably be under pressure
for a while and the reason they'll be
under pressure is mostly because you're
in this this phase of okay well if we're
going to be hired for longer why don't
we just stay in bonds or other
Investments or or just money markets and
just wait for maybe maybe something to
break and then go by at that point money
markets would be your best Opportunity
by the way in my opinion not
personalized Financial advice to be
prepared for something breaking because
you're not exposed to the risk of your
bonds losing value if you're in bonds
and you're not exposed to stocks losing
value if you're in stocks
so anyway uh okay I expect so TS Lombard
goes in it says I expect profit margins
to contract in Q3 so this actually goes
from the argument that oh well things
are going to be higher for longer
because profit margins are higher and
now flipping into the idea of oh but
wait don't worry the earnings recession
is still coming that Q3 Q4 time frame
which is kind of what uh you know you've
had your Mike Wilson over at Morgan
Stanley always complaining about it's
coming we're gonna have more uh uh you
know earnings crushes and to this point
expect profit margins to contract in Q3
given that Q over Q growth and final
sales of domestic product has been
dropping relative to the 90-day paper
rates spreads have turned negative a
cautionary signal and Q4 moving averages
suggesting that the economy
basically about to slow if however the
relationship fails to hold in the
current quarter and we see them hiring
data and uh and uh basically improve and
the recession gets delayed even further
then guess what more higher for longer
so you have this like bearish argument
here and it's a very interesting bearish
argument because it's kind of like the
Bears can't be wrong Bears can't be
wrong that's basically what TS Lombard
is arguing uh I actually think the Bears
can be wrong I'll tell you how but you
should already know how but uh the Bears
the Bears can't be wrong argument is
either earnings recession and EPS pain
slash valuation contraction right uh
evaluation contraction multiple multiple
contraction or
you get recession
which basically just leads to EPS
decline
either way you're screwed so you have uh
well I guess this could almost be one of
the same right you could say uh you have
an earnings recession an EPS pain
and uh or or and or recession causing
that EPS pain and then you could say
that the second argument is or stronger
but then higher for longer and delayed
EPS pain that's basically what they're
arguing okay this is how the Bears say
they can't be wrong now one of the
reasons that I argue that uh there's
actually a good chance there's could be
wrong is because I believe that the
market is mostly of this mindset of okay
we need to uh get used to the idea that
inflation could actually end up being
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this uh this idea here which is that my
argument as to why while the Bears argue
they can't be wrong one of the reasons
you actually could be wrong is that as
our country becomes more comfortable
with this idea of inflation going away
you you end up having what I've always
called for this this very sort of
volatile Nike Swoosh recovery uh and
this would be over years and so far
that's exactly what's been happening I
expect that to somewhat continue
okay so let's see what else they say
here so so they wrap up their piece by
arguing The Profit pickup in Q2 means
the coming run of employment data uh has
added importance basically higher for
longer okay to be clear there will be
nothing in the August report that pushes
the FED to hike in September but current
employment trends this is a way of
saying like just because you're gonna
pause doesn't mean we're wrong
but current employment trends reflect
profit losses pre-q2 and inflation lags
employment if employment data
Trends reflect profit losses pre-q2 and
inflation lags employment okay if
employment data shows some undue
strength then rounding back to turn
around uh turn around to Q2 profits an
uptick in hiring will be strong signal
in federal race rights I lean towards
recession sooner rather than later based
on the jump in real yields at the long
end and the inventory cost of carry on
top of everything else including
warnings to mid-sized Banks to get their
balance sheets in order blah blah blah I
feel like it's kind of like uh I think
EPS is going to decline
and here's the kitchen sink it's kind of
a little bit of what I feel like the TS
Lombard argument here is on this
recession coming uh yeah but they're not
wrong right I mean strength in in GDP is
going to keep rates higher for longer
the question is how much does that
actually matter uh you know you look at
the Atlanta fed real GDP forecast the G
the GDP now they call it
um we're sitting at
5.6 percent and that's pretty aggressive
we actually get our next update
uh let's see here September 6th was the
last one oh it was just two days ago so
it's gonna be another okay the next
update is actually later today
later today we'll get the latest update
on the fednow GDP update what I think is
neat about this chart is just how
aggressive the Atlanta fed uh now real
GDP chart is versus other measures you
look at the same Lewis real GDP measure
and it's much more in line with what we
call the Blue Chip consensus which is
like the market consensus you can see
that right here this blue line is the
market thinking GDP is around two
percent and Atlanta thinking it's
somewhere on five and a half percent
which just seems a little wild but
anyway yeah uh it makes sense of why
there's this idea of hire for longer but
and this is why I think the Nike Swoosh
continues to hold
you have to remember that if the economy
and GDP are booming but inflation
continues to fall then it doesn't matter
remember Jerome Powell did not say we
are going to hike more if the economy is
strong
he said we're going to hike more if the
economy is strong and inflation is going
up
that's that's the key and I think a lot
of bears are really forgetting that now
and I really I feel bad for a lot of
people who have been 100 on the
sidelines and not at least having some
exposure uh and that's because they're
constantly looking for this bare
narrative without realizing that you're
basically getting cooked to death like a
frog in a in a Lobster Pot that you're
turning onto a boil it's like you're
just you're slowly getting unbeared but
if you're not allocating then you're
getting burned
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