The CoreWeave Stock IPO is a Billion Dollar Bailout.
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fre IPO opportunities so they can get
bailed out to the tune of $2 billion so
they could pay their damn bills because
they went so deep in debt the company
cor weave may be IPO at the perfect time
that means the stock will be available
to trade very soon the only problem is
will it be a good investment well a lot
of that depends on what we think about
buying out that core weave
infrastructure and how much money it's
going to return in the future cor weave
is expected to trade under ticker C
rwv this week and raise over $2.7
billion for the company which is really
interesting because when you look at the
finances for the company and you look at
the history of the company you start
understanding that this former crypto
mining company called Atlantic crypto
where they mined etherum for yield
happen to strike literal gold during the
AI reol solution think about it ethereum
prices underperforming Bitcoin your gpus
collecting dust because you're not
making the yield you used to your break
even costs compressing and then all of a
sudden artificial intelligence comes
around and what does that do for you oh
let's just stop Mining ethereum and
start doing Ai and Lease our gpus to
other people who want to pay us to use
our gpus and our data center data
centers on a per hour basis this could
be companies that exclusively use cor
weave potentially startups or other
larger companies that don't want to
build out their own data centers or they
could be companies like Microsoft that
partner with cor for some of their
artificial intelligence needs think
about it this way let's say you have
you're Microsoft and you have this
really large machine at your home that
you need a lot of power for I don't know
let's say you need 100 units of power
for that but then sometimes you need 150
units of power you don't want to install
all of the Power needs to always Supply
150 so just do the 100 yourself and get
the other 50 from cor weave that's an
example of how cor weave could function
in its business model so just because a
company like Microsoft could use core
weave for Access flow or potentially all
of their work if they wanted to cor
weave creates this flexibility for
companies to basically use AI data
setters when they need it and dial it
back when they don't this is pretty
straightforward cor weave is basically
the infrastructure provider but they
also provide the software around that
data center infrastructure which is cool
because it means you know these
Executives were pretty smart in that
when the AI boom hit they're like okay
not only are we going to retool as an AI
data center play and we're going to
change the name of our company to cor
weave but we're also going to develop
our own in-house software to man manage
these data centers which is frankly
brilliant because I mean a it makes your
lives easier but B it also gives you a
USP a unique selling proposition to your
customers where like oh yeah come use
core weave for your AI infrastructure
needs we got the software that you could
just use because a it's easier for us
but B it's also easier for you to manage
you know what you're renting from us
including all the pricing uh changes and
and uh you know the turn off and uh turn
on and on functions and the allocation
functions of it anyway it's kind of
brilliant so when you look at cor weave
though what you really want to think of
them as is a giant generator of AI
services so remember that example I gave
where like if Microsoft needs extra
power think about cor weave is sort of
the power plant except rather than
providing power they provide AI data
center access which obviously has been
in massive demand over the 2023 and 2024
period because this has been sort of the
AI boom cycle now there are some
problems though with cor weave the first
problem that I think is worth paying
attention to is what industry experts
are saying the chairman of Alibaba today
wrote The Following quote I start to see
the beginning of some kind of bubble I
start to get worried when people are
building data centers on spec there are
a number of people coming up funds
coming up to raise billions or Millions
ions of dollars in capital to build AI
data centers but what happens if they're
out building these data centers and this
Data Center capacity without an actual
customer in mind and that's what Alibaba
chairman is worried about he's worried
that we might have actually overbuilt AI
infrastructure with now a lot of h100
chips which are kind of the older
generation right and we might not
actually need that many data centers cor
weav has got somewhere around 250 ,000
Nvidia chips Elon musk's got around
100,000 Nvidia chips at his Tennessee
you know xai data center but the h100
chips are already the old version in
fact Jensen Wong at the Nvidia GTC event
literally said you won't be able to sell
h100s to anyone and that well he kind of
Bas he said it a little bit more bluntly
than that he basically said you couldn't
even give him away which is bad because
it kind of suggests that the CEO of
Nvidia is literally suggesting the value
of h100 chips could be pretty dang low
when their new chip sets come out now
that's a downside now the upshot to this
is hey you've got companies in China
that are reporting like ant for example
Jack Ma's an who co-founded Alibaba Jack
ma uh and the Ant company they suggest
hey you know we don't necessarily need
the latest and greatest chips in fact we
can do a lot of our work with older
generation chips and then just use the
more advanced chips for the final stages
training llms or inference solutions
that require heavier Duty chips uh this
piece This research piece I actually
broke it down uh let's see here I'll put
that on screen so you can actually see
it so it's right here so our
experimental findings have demonstrated
that 300b I mean okay you don't need to
know can be effectively trained on Lower
performance devices while achieving
comparable performance to similarly
dense models such as deep seeks version
2.5 blah blah blah just I'm going to
translate this English here in the
pre-training phase you can basically use
cheaper chips which is potentially good
although it does make some people
question
companies like the dominance of
companies like Nvidia because you know
hey you could just go to AMD or you
could go to other chip creators such as
chip manufacturers or designers in China
that uh compete with AMD or Nvidia
especially more likely after this trade
war that uh is undergoing you know
occurring under Trump uh and Trump has
directly argued that there will be
specific tariffs on chips now if that
happens or not remains to be seen But
the argument here is maybe there's still
demand for older chips right so I'm kind
of giving you a pro and a con here on
one hand we might be overbuilding data
centers on the other hand that's okay we
could still make use of the older chips
but just remember what you're getting
with core weave are a lot of h100 chips
and again the CEO of Nvidia says you
couldn't even give away Hoppers uh now
that's obviously a big claim so I should
point it out to you in the actual video
it's at 1 hour and 19 minutes in in the
GTC presentation and just listen to
Jensen saying it himself because cor
weave has a lot of these and it's kind
of important that you hear this because
I kind of think they're
iping well I'll give you my opinion in
just a moment and what their balance
sheet tells us let's just listen to this
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actually asked you know why would I say
that but I said before that when
Blackwell starts shipping in volume you
couldn't give Hoppers
away and this is what I mean and this
makes sense if anybody if you're still
looking to buy a hopper don't be afraid
I'm it's okay
but I'm the chief re
Revenue
Destroyer my sales guys are going oh no
oh don't say that I like Jensen okay I I
think he's actually a very sincere
person and I like Nvidia a lot and don't
get me wrong I I don't have bets on
either of these plays like you know for
NVIDIA or against cor weave I don't care
I'm just trying to provide information
on YouTube because I think when I
provide value on YouTube you might
consider subscribing to the channel and
coming back for more value and that's my
job I sit here and try to figure out how
can I provide you value on a daily basis
and I think when you you know when
you're like me and you research this
stuff I watched that Jensen interview
and I didn't say to myself oh okay you
know I'm going to I'm going to make a
whole video on this I didn't even know I
would ever reference it again it was
only right now when I'm going through
the core weave documents for their IPO
their S1 I'm like oh wait a
minute what what did Jensen say again
that's right so now you kind of make
these links and these are the kind of
like aha moments that I tried to provide
to you now I'm not saying that they
don't have black Wells of course cor
weave has black Wells but most of their
infrastructure buildout occurred in 2023
and 2024 you could literally see it
right here which most of that actually
excuse me I would venture to say almost
all of what you see on this balance
sheet is Hopper infrastructure because
Blackwell only started shipping at the
end of 2024 we don't even know if that
shows up in plant property and Equipment
yet or if it's just you know showing up
as restricted cash because the product
hasn't actually shown up yet and haven't
paid for it yet right but they have
orders for it I don't know but the point
is look at this explosion in the balance
sheet and I want to show you a risk
because look at this plant property and
Equipment exploded from uh I mean
nothing in like 2022 to 3.4 billion in
2023 and then 11.9 in 2024 these folks
were doing whatever they could to in
Europe in the United States anywhere
they could sell you an AI data center at
low latencies they were doing it
they went all in and honestly they did
it at the perfect time they wrote they
caught the wave and they wrote it
perfectly I'm jealous of these bastards
they did so well with their timeing
honestly good for them like they they
played it perfectly wow we're sitting on
all these gpus for ethereum let's get
into AI data center Leasing and make
some software around brilliant boom
billionaires overnight okay I don't I
think that is so smart but as an
investor you you should be asking
yourself what am I buying or what am I
doing to bail this company out yeah
don't get me started on the bailout
that's coming in just a
moment so this company
3.4x their plant property and
Equipment assets from 3.4 billion to
11.9 in one year they basically plow
money into Data Centers right now this
company has cash and cash equivalents of
$1.7 billion but they have bills to pay
of 3.6 they are $2 billion short they
need a bailout they literally don't have
the cash to survive the next 12 months
unless they get bailed out by retail
investors being promoted this stock
through Robin Hood preo opportunities so
they can get bailed out to the tune of
two billion dollars so they could pay
their damn bills because they went so
deep in debt to build data centers cuz
there was no limit to the amount of
demand that people thought there would
be for data centers the only problem
here is what happens when all of a
sudden that demand starts drying up and
people aren't asking for your AI data
centers that much anymore because either
they don't need as much h100 compute
power because it's the older version or
because they just straight up don't need
as much h100 computer power anymore
because maybe it was overbuilt just like
the Alibaba CEO says not my opinion I'm
just putting the connections together
see I'm taking from Nvidia I'm taking
from Baba and I'm combining it with sort
of experience and logic into their S1
and then giving you perspective now you
could say hey ma'am look they're going
to make plenty of money they're going to
grow Revenue blah blah blah great we
hope that they do but understand when
you look at this balance sheet this
company does not have enough money to
get through the next 12 months and the
only way they're going to survive is by
either dumping stock onto retail share
holders buying it at IPO and it could do
really well or raising more debt to pay
for their existing debt again I'm not
here to say the Stock's going to go up
or down or whatever I'm here to tell you
what's going on the finances are such
that they need money they need about 2
billion which is really interesting
because if you look at the estimates for
what they plan to raise they're about
$2.7
billion it's right here so it's kind of
interesting now this is going to be
great so let's get past this okay so now
let's say they IPO they raised the $2.7
billion if the stock crashes cor weave
doesn't care because now they got their
bills paid for the next year and they've
got their big fat IPO paychecks and
bonuses good for them no shade at that
at all the question is is this a company
that I want to buy okay well to
understand that we have to understand a
little bit about their revenue and how
sort of their revenue works and what
projections could reasonably be made off
off of this so uh we have that on screen
right here so most of this loss that you
see right here is a loss of fair value
related to bonds I actually don't think
this loss is that bad and I actually
think in 2024 they did a a good job
making money uh they actually made money
when we look at uh uh you know taking
out depreciation and these fair value
adjustments because most of this
technology and infrastructure here about
$800 million of that in 2024 is actually
depreciation so they don't line that out
which is surprising to me because if you
do that you actually kind of get more
bullish on these numbers uh they also
have a lot of interest expense but then
again they did whatever they could to
beg borrow and plead to build up these
data centers because that's that's the
ride they were waving there's a lot of
demand I mean anybody would have done
the same thing so again I don't blame
them I'm just saying I think they're
kind of trying to IPO a peak here which
is smart also I'm telling you these
people are geniuses we don't have enough
money we're at Peak AI deployment we're
probably at Peak AI use in 2024 at least
for Hopper chips which is the
infrastructure that they have anyway and
things are getting uncertain in the
economy quick IPO before it's too late
and tariffs crush us into a recession
and oh my gosh AI demand slows down and
people realize we've overbuilt data
centers you know and obviously then the
stock drops off a cliff but that doesn't
have to happen right away you know the
stock could be up 50% on IPO day because
usually what they'll do is they'll pre-
price it at like $50
and then it'll trade for like $75 or $80
and it'll be like oh my gosh it's up 50%
on IP day they do that by just limiting
how many shares are available because
they want it to seem like it's up a lot
on IPO day so more people get foam wo
and buy it yeah it's just like this is
Wall Street Wall Street is literally let
me put it this way somebody at the
Security and Exchange Commission once
told me this line you ready for this
Securities are sold not not
bought think about what that means for a
moment Securities are sold not
bought well what it means is you have to
sell you got to sell the sizzle that's
what an IPO is why do you think they put
a banner on Times Square or the NASDAQ
is or the party that they do over in uh
you know on on on Wall Street if you're
iping at the New York Stock Exchange why
do you think they parade these because
it's part of the marketing which is
normal none of this is abnormal what
matters more is that we understand this
Revenue section right here of course the
revenue looks like it
exploded but you have to also consider
that they brought the difference between
11.9 and what 3.9 worth of assets online
so 11.9 minus 3.9 they brought about $8
billion of servers online imagine you
bought $8 billion of rental real estate
do you think your rental re Revenue your
Top Line would go up well of course it
would now the question is did it go up
by a greater multitude yes or multiple
rather yeah it actually did see if we go
back to the balance sheet they oh they
had about 3.4 rather than 3.9 so that
means they added about 8.5
billion uh they 3.4x their plant
property and Equipment but their
revenues actually exceeded that their
revenues popped up to the tune of 1950
by
228 uh oops 19 15 ided 228 their
revenues actually popped up by about
eight times so that's pretty good an 8X
increase uh in their revenue in exchange
for uh what did we say here 11.9 divid
by 3.4 about a
3.5x in an infrastructure buildout or
you know an increase in infrastructure
buildout not bad it is possible though
and this is what some folks are
speculating that a lot of this is
because this infrastructure really
didn't start producing Revenue until in
2024 so in other words there was some
delay in getting the 2023 revenues
online from the plant property equipment
making that growth seem a little bit
more extreme that's a little hard to say
but so far if they're bringing in $1.9
billion and their costs of Revenue are
around 493 million less depreciation and
not a lot of sales I mean these people
sell themselves which is honestly really
good like this is amazing very very very
little sales effort here they're
actually doing pretty dang well because
again add back in depreciation to their
operating income they're bringing in
somewhere around a billion bucks which
if you look at that that's about a 99.4%
operating return just on their plant
property and Equipment their servers now
the question is do we want to invest in
this company that has a 99.4% return on
their assets you know before interest
right we got to consider interest as
well so if you take off the interest of
$360 million that return is going to go
down a little bit but just ignoring
interest for a moment uh we're going to
look at operating income 1.9 million
that's that number right there look at
operating expenses minus
1.59 equals we got 31 right now we're
going to minus out interest uh minus. 36
uh and then what I'm going to do is I'm
going to add back in about $800 million
of depreciation you could get that
number in the actual uh financials so I
add that back in uh and we're doing
pretty well we're making somewhere
around $800 billion versus about 1 to
1.1 is without that interest 8 billion
or sorry $800 million off by zero here
$800 million divided by about 11.9 in
assets uh is a return of about 6.7% net
of Interest 6.7% return on their server
infrastructure pretty damn good these
are rough numbers here right but the
point is if we're at about a 6.7% return
on infrastructure after interest or
99.4% excluding interest because they
could always refinance that debt in the
future if rates come down uh then the
question is is that return going to stay
steady or can we grow it and that's
where the big question marks are what is
the growth going forward now there are a
lot of different thoughts on this my B
thing that I'd like to ask is and this
is what I would want to know as an
investor is do we see pricing decays one
of the problems that I've seen so far is
cor we actually changed their pricing
model so you can't see it as well on the
way back machine from a per GPU to a per
instance basis so it kind of makes it
harder to find out hey you know what has
their pricing looked like what kind of
pricing power do they have now you do
have a piece out from the information
which provides a little bit of color
which we'll look at in just a moment uh
but that that makes me curious so I
would love some insights on like hey how
are we doing here which to me probably
means we'll have to wait a few quarters
and let some of that IPO hype go away so
we can really start seeing what are they
saying in their earnings calls in terms
of pricing power to is is revenue act
like what is revenue actually growing at
that's what I'd like to see and how much
are they continuing to invest in new
infrastructure because right now they
spent about
2.4 let me see here uh let's see ah yeah
okay there we go so net cash provided by
operating activities was about 2.7 in
2024 but their purchases of plant
property equipment around 8.7 so the
free cash flow negative to the tune of
about five bill because they're throwing
it all back into servers the question is
what happens when that server you know
expansion this right here slows down are
we going to see a big slow down in
Revenue growth obviously it's not going
to look as meteoric as this Revenue
growth that we've seen over here we
already know that that's why I'm looking
at sort of a return on assets because to
me I'm if I'm investing in this company
I'm buying h100 chips the old stuff and
I want to see that continue to print
money but that does create risks because
people might be going into this thinking
you know this is the next biggest and
greatest AI play that's like an open AI
or something is really just you're
buying a company that's just going to
lease out the chips I'm not saying
that's a bad thing just something to
keep in mind now the information has
some interesting projections because
they argue that JP Morgan and Goldman
Sachs suggest that cor weave's revenue
is going to explode to $4.6 billion this
year which is great that's about a 2.4x
increase now markets already know this
so this could already be priced in but
that's going to come by increasing their
cash Burn by nearly
3x which probably means their
infrastructure Investments are going to
rise to close to $20 billion maybe1 18
but $20 billion divided by what they
spent last year about 8.4 would be about
a 2.4x in infastructure so in other
words they're still plowing money into
more uh uh you know data centers which
is good because it's a promising sign of
demand or we're
overinvestigation ala says but this
Revenue growth a lot of people might go
oh my gosh they they grew from you know
$15 million of ethereum Revenue to 228
to 1.9 now to 4.6 they're making so much
money most of that is debt financed
infrastructure again you go from you
know uh uh $3 billion of rental
properties to 11 billion to potentially
next year $30 billion of data centers of
course your revenue is going to go up
but beyond that we don't have much guide
so I'm really curious to see what the
per unit Revenue increases are for this
company this is expected to be a really
big IPO and a lot of people are going to
make a lot of money on this mostly the
Insiders already and so there's going to
be a lot of hype in marketing expect
this to be one of the most hyped up IPOs
of the year and I think they're doing it
potentially still relatively close to
the top of the market at a brilliant
time for them because if we are at sort
of the peak of how much they could earn
renting out these data centers and we're
at the peak valuation for an h100 data
center that Nvidia CEO J suggest could
end up being you know
worthless then they're playing their
cards really well here congratulations
to the executive staff for being really
really smart if thean company nah man AI
data centers take on as much debt as
possible and before you crushed that
Peak IPO would dump it all on retail
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