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Air India 171 *Critical New Data* Vapor Lock Engine Failure - What Captain Steeeve isn't Saying.

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There is now new evidence that points to

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a potential cause for the Air India 171

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flight that crashed first 787 Dreamliner

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8 whole loss ever of that Dreamliner

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series. And folks, we've got to talk

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about what nobody is piecing together

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yet. And I think as a jet pilot myself,

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I may be piecing together some of the

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puzzle that hasn't been mentioned by

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other creators in the space. First of

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all, shout out to some of the other

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channels covering the topics, whether

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it's AI telly's animations, which are

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always great, or Captain Steve, who

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finally U-turned on blaming the pilots,

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to now arguing dual engine failure is

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possible. Originally, we talk about the

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potential for the first officer to grab

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the flap setting instead of the gear.

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And we make these sort of speculative

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assertions when we actually see

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components of the aircraft on the ground

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indicating the flaps may have actually

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been set in the perfect cons

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configuration for takeoff. Now,

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obviously, we know that the ram air

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turbine has been deployed. We know that

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the landing gear stays out. So, what

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could potentially put together all of

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the pieces of the puzzle that nobody is

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talking about? As a jet pilot, we're

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going to get into it right away. Vapor

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lock. This is my opinion, and I'm going

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to explain to you why I think vapor lock

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could have caused a dual engine failure

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inside this aircraft and led uh to the

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crash uh and death of now potentially

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over 270

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individuals. First of all, what is vapor

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lock and how can it occur? Generally,

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you're going to see vapor lock occur

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when the conditions inside the aircraft

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are extremely hot. What we know about

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the Air India crash already is that

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people were fanning themselves inside of

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the aircraft because the air

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conditioning was off. You could see

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people fanning themselves. This aircraft

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sat on the tarmac per the Guardian for

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over 2 hours. By sitting on the tarmac

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for over 2 hours, potentially as long as

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3 hours before takeoff, we end up with a

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condition where this aircraft is in a

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very hot configuration or hot state. The

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air conditioning is not on inside of the

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aircraft and you end up getting fuel lo

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fuel lines inside of the aircraft that

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potentially become heat saturated. Now,

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why does that matter? Why would it

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matter that fuel lines inside of the

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aircraft are potentially heat saturated?

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It's not a problem if your fuel pumps

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are walking or or or are functioning.

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Vapor lock is basically the lowering uh

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of uh the or or the increase in

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temperature leading to vapor bubbles

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inside of the fuel lines of an aircraft.

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This could happen in a car. It could

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happen in a Cessna. It could happen in a

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Piper. And it could happen in a lower or

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a larger aircraft like a Boeing 787 as

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well. Now, usually a 787 is not going to

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see this happen because we have two very

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powerful hydraulic fuel pumps that keep

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positive pressure on our fuel lines. So

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that way our engines don't run into some

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kind of dual engine failure after a

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takeoff. Which, mind you, when we see

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this aircraft takeoff, which we now have

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higher definition footage of the

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aircraft takeoff. Initially, we had

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pretty grainy footage. We now have

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higher definition footage of not only

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the takeoff, but also the crash. We

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don't see what is characteristic of an

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engine flame out suggesting that the

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aircraft hit birds. We don't see birds.

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We don't see any kind of destruction to

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the engines. Instead, it looks like the

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aircraft simply lost lift. And there are

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reports now, although we don't have the

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air traffic control data yet, there are

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reports that before impact, the pilots

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issued a Mayday call and stated no

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power, no thrust. So, what could

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potentially or how could vapor lock

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potentially contribute to this? Well, in

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my opinion, and this is how we piece

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together the facts. I'll give you my

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opinions right after the facts. We know

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that this aircraft took off at 1338.

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That's in the afternoon. It's 1:38 p.m.

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The temperature at the time of takeoff

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was between 102 and 104 degrees. The air

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condition was not operating inside the

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aircraft at the time the aircraft was

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sitting on the tarmac, which means you

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have an aircraft that's heating up. It

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means you have fuel lines that are

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heating up. It means you have an

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aircraft that's in a very warm

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configuration for takeoff and

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potentially upon takeoff we notice that

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the landing gear is still down on the

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aircraft. Is it potentially possible

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that at the time of takeoff we had a

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dual hydraulic failure which led to the

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inability to raise the gear which then

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turned into a loss of positive fuel

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pressure to both the number one and the

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number two engine.

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With that loss of positive pressure at

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the same time as a tilt up of the

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aircraft, we would have less suction

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sort of gravity suction if you will from

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uh the the more gravityfed pumps uh

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inside well the the non they're not

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really pumps uh the the sort of

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gravityfed uh fuel lines inside of the

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aircraft. You would have had less

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positive pressure from gravity because

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the plane is tilted up. At the same time

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as the potential that you could lead air

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bubbles in fuel lines to move through

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the fuel system thanks to the nose up

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attitude of the aircraft during takeoff

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leading to a simultaneous dual engine

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failure.

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Now to me this pieces together a lot of

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the puzzle. We know it was a very hot

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day. We know the aircraft was sitting on

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the ground without air conditioning

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leading to the likelihood that inside

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the aircraft all components of the

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aircraft were heat soaked absolutely

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heat locked in a condition where it's

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highly likely would have we would have

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had vapor in the fuel lines. That would

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not ordinarily be an issue though. It

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would not ordinarily be an issue to take

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off in a hot configuration because you

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have hydraulic powering powering fuel

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pumps to where you don't actually need

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to worry about vapor lock. You don't

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need sensors to worry about vapor lock

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because you have hydraulic pumps and

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fuel pumps that are operating the other

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systems of your aircraft. However, if

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upon takeoff you suddenly have a dual

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hydraulic failure

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that shuts down the number one and

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number two fuel pumps at the same time

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as being unable to remove the uh drag of

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your landing gear, which is also a

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potential symptom that the landing gear

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hydraulics weren't functioning since we

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need hydraulics to be able to uh operate

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the landing gear. Then we could be in a

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place where upon takeoff we had a dual

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hydraulic failure which led to the

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failure to lift off our landing gear

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which led to the simultaneous then

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lack of positive fuel pressure to the

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engines. Now we feed from sump pumps or

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gravity pumps. Basically just sort of uh

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the natural flow of fuel inside of the

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aircraft without positive pressure which

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amplifies the impact of vapor inside

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fuel lines leading potentially to the

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bang sound that reportedly were heard.

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Not only did a survivor of this

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incident, which is absolutely remarkable

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that somebody survived this incident,

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report a loud bang, but others are

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reporting that this loud bang was heard

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on the ground. Some people attribute

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this bang to the deployment of the rare

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ram air turbine. I I don't I've never

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seen the deployment of the ram air

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turbine lead to a loud bang, but a

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compressor stall or some form of

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compressor surge potentially because of

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dual vapor lock shutting off both

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engines could cause this. So think about

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the sequence of events how this could

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happen here. The plane's on the ground

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for 2 to 3 hours in 102 to 104°

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temperatures.

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The plane has no air conditioning or

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cooling occurring on the ground inside

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of the aircraft leading to potential

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heat soaking of all of the systems

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including the fuel lines in the

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aircraft. Upon takeoff, we have a

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simultaneous hydraulic failure leading

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to the failure to be able to lift the

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gear. Because by now we should see the

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sequence of the gear going up begin to

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activate. I'll show you that in just a

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moment. Then what we end up with is a

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vapor lock situation thanks to the nose

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high attitude during takeoff which

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allows vapor to move up. Think about it.

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If you turn a water bottle, the water

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goes up to the top leading to less fuel

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pressure for those engines. a dual

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engine failure thanks to a failure of

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the hydraulic pumps and vapor lock. Now

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we have the drag of the gear. We do not

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have enough altitude to escape the

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situation. We have flaps deployed based

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on the debris on the floor at the proper

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setting. So we're not concerned about a

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flap issue here. We get the deployment

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of the ram air turbine because of this

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not only hydraulic failure but also

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engine failure. and we're way too low

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for the Ramber turbine to restart these

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engines because these engines are going

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to take way too long to start. And so

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here could be a case of hydraulic pump

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failure leading to vapor lock and a

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failure that is not a pilot's fault.

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Instead, it could be a ground management

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concern where originally, you know, when

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we get these sort of video videos, a lot

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of people were sending me videos of the

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failure of the air condition to be on on

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the ground. But usually those systems

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are independent, right? In fact, a lot

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of pilots when we take off, they turn

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the air conditioning off for takeoff

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because they want all the power for

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those engines so we can gain as much

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altitude as possible, as quickly as

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possible. But the fact that people are

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fanning themselves potentially for hours

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on the ground really could lead to that

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heat soak condition in an aircraft. Now

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something to know about uh Air India

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flights is there have been cases before

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in in other flights where you see this

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sort of con condensing or water dripping

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down inside of the aircraft because the

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air conditioning systems can't handle

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the heat in India. And so this is a

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potential air conditioning maintenance

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issue which leads to an overheated

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condition inside of the aircraft leading

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to some kind of fuel fault inside of the

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aircraft. Now there is speculation as

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well and there are rumors as well uh

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that have been posted and it's it's hard

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to give credence to some of these

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because we just don't know. But there is

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there are screenshots of people leaving

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comments saying that they have flown

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this aircraft. We can't obviously verify

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that from a comment. And this comment

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that I saw, I don't want to show it up

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on screen because I don't want to point

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out this person's, you know, username or

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whatever, but there are comments, there

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are screenshots of a YouTube comment

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circulating where somebody says they

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have piloted this aircraft and they've

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had single engine failures on this

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aircraft before and that Air India

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doesn't provide the proper maintenance

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for these systems, whether it's

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hydraulic or otherwise. Now, we don't

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know if that's true. It could be a

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failure of Boeing. It could be a failure

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of unfortunately the Swiss cheese model

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lining up where unfortunately you had a

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hydraulic failure combined with severe

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heat in India a lack of cooling ground

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delays and everything lining up to lead

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to a vapor lock condition where Boeings

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generally you don't have vapor lock

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sensors because you have hydraulic pumps

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that are working so it's not an issue

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that you have to worry about. Now,

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nobody that I've seen has mentioned this

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so far. And this is why I think this is

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very interesting. Captain Steve at the

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end of his, "Wow, the Ram Air turbine

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changes everything video appropriately

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says this looks like it was a dual

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engine failure." And I agree. I think

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this was a dual engine failure, but I

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think it was a dual engine failure

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caused in part by the failure uh of the

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hydraulic pumps uh and a heat soaked

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plane which finally combines with what

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we see with that interior footage of the

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aircraft. Now I want to show you a real

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takeoff here in a jet and I want you to

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see the normal sequence here on takeoff.

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It is. There are still some people

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arguing that is possible that they just

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forgot to lift the gear. I find this

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highly highly unlikely. As somebody

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who's gone through extensive training uh

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and it's I still learn every day uh in

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these aircraft.

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People don't forget to raise the gear

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and it's really hard to mess up the gear

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and the flaps in an aircraft in a jet.

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Uh, in this case, our gear handle uh is

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up here. It happens, but it's relatively

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unlikely. Uh, and then our flap settings

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are over here. And again, we saw flaps

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deployed on the ground. But what I want

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you to see is how how quick we take this

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gear up. Uh, and so you'll see that on

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this takeoff. This is a takeoff out of

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uh Heber uh Heber, Utah. Uh, this is a

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uh very high elevation airport. So,

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while it's not hot, it's high elevation.

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So, high density altitude, less lift,

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much like what you also get in a high

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heat situation like what happened uh

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likely in this Air India situation since

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the temperatures were 102 to 104 out

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there. But I want you to see how quickly

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we go for this this gear retraction just

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so you can see it from a different

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angle. And we're going to leave the

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flaps in until about 1,000 ft above the

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field here. Uh to to maintain as much

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lift as we can for as long as possible,

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especially since we're since we're in a

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mountainous terrain. We're in a We're

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basically in this bowl here. And I

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manually right turned this to do a

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visual climb over the airport to get out

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to the south. This is a non-towered

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airport. So here's the takeoff. Happy

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Sunday.

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22 on the pavement. Heading degrees.

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Here we go. I have no traffic here. So

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yeah, you're you're clear. Let's do it.

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Okay, we did our takeoff. Okay, lights

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are good. Everything's good. Takeoff

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checks complete. Here we go. All right.

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Ready? Yeah. Yeah, I'd probably do a

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little static, too. Oh, yeah, for sure.

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Here we go. Takeoff tower set. All

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right, ATR's in the green.

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Okay, brakes off. All right, your

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speed's live. Check. Three ways. 6,000

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to go.

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70. Check.

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on rotate.

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You're up. That's right. There's the

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gear. We get to 400, we'll do flaps.

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Yep. I guess we're at 400 over on this

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one.

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All right, I'm going to call 400 over.

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Flaps up. Flaps up. Gear up. Flap up.

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I misremembered. We said 400 over.

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Obviously, we had previously established

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that in this case, but what's

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interesting is you can see how quickly

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we go for that gear up flap up. Uh

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mostly that gear up very first thing.

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Then we wait purposefully for flaps

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later. And we've got two pilots here.

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So, we're able to verify it like, hey,

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then we even do our checklist

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afterwards. Gear up, flap up, right? Uh

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this is uh you know, this is a uh

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ascent out of uh Heber. Uh, another way

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you could see or another thing to know

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is people have asked, hey, what about

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the ram air turbine? You know, you've

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got this ram air turbine. Can't you

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restart the engine? This in this case,

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if you've got the ramar turbine moving,

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you know, aren't isn't there a way you

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can restart? Problems.

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Even if you're able to clear the vapor

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lock condition and the ram air turbine

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is trying to help you get your hydraulic

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power back, engines take quite a while

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to start on the ground. Uh, I would say

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when we especially if it's hot on a hot

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day, it's it's actually surprisingly

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slow to start these engines. On a hot

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day, so like a Vegas day, if we go to

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start these engines, I might say, "Okay,

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uh, you know, engine start, we clear

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right, whatever." We go for an engine

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start, it'll probably take about 45

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seconds to a minute before this is

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actually at speeds. uh this this jet

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engine. Uh unfortunately

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the AirIndia flight was only in the air

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for somewhere around 45 seconds, maybe

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30 seconds of flight. I took off at

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13:38, so 1:38 p.m. uh and then crashed

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at 1:38 p.m. So anyway, this gives us a

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little bit of a potential here on the

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Air India flight. It does look like

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again flaps were appropriately set. It

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does look like uh although we'll have to

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verify once we get more data. This is

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just from crash footage that we can

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tell. So obviously there's speculation

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involved here and we have to be careful

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about how we're putting pieces of the

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puzzle together. But to me when we put

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the pieces of the puzzle together, the

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loud bang that we heard was likely to me

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the stall of the engines. Right? So this

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is the stall slash the engine fail that

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you hear whether it's a compressor surge

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uh and then the uh uh you know the

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essentially the flame well you don't get

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a flame out here but but the shutdown of

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the engines. You've got hot which

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increases the conditions for vapor lock.

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We've got time on tarmac. We've got two

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to three hours on the tarmac. We've got

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the gear staying up, which suggests

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a hydraulic failure. Vapor lock also can

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occur and be most devastating on a

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hydraulic failure. The loss of lift

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supports the idea of an engine failure.

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And we don't believe that birds or the

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flaps were necessarily an issue here. I

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also believe that even if even if the

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flaps were retracted slightly early with

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both of the engines still on, this

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aircraft should have been able to climb

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out of this condition. So that's my

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opinion on the Air India 171 crash. I'm

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surprised we haven't heard Vaporlock

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mentioned from anyone else, but I'd be

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curious to see what other people's

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perspectives are on this. I'm going to

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look at some uh comments here. Somebody

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here writes uh uh you know, what is the

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rat? Yes, but the black box has been

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recovered. The rat is the ram air

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turbine. It's a little propeller that uh

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aids in providing hydraulic pressure to

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hydraulic systems that have failed or

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give you an opportunity to restart the

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engines of the aircraft. The rammer

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turbine also has a very distinct sound

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when it is dep when it's deployed and is

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very consistent with the audio that we

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hear of the Air India accident. So, for

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example, if we jump over to Bronco,

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Bronco has has a fantastic um comparison

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of what the Ram Air Turbine sounds like.

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And I'll go ahead and play a clip from

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his video. It's Friday, the 13th of

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June. My name's Juan Brown. You're

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watching the Blancio. You'll see this

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right here in the mountain here.

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Listen for the sound of the propeller.

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That's it. You could see that ram air

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turbine.

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I'll pause

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right here. Some people are associating

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the bang with the deployment of the ram

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air turbine. I don't think so. I think

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that was the sound of the engines

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failing.

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And then listen to the air propellers on

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our husk.

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Did you hear that very distinctive sound

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of the rat?

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It sounds like one of the uh Here's the

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audio from the crash.

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into this. So there you go. Some of my

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thoughts on what happened with the Air

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India accident. Thanks for watching the

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segment on the Air India accident.

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Hopefully uh whatever lessons are

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learned from this accident can prevent

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future accidents. Why not advertise

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these things that you told us here? I

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feel like nobody else knows about this.

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We'll we'll try a little advertising and

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see how it goes. Congratulations, man.

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You have done so much. People love you.

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People look up to you. Kevin Praat

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there, financial analyst and YouTuber.

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Meet Kevin. Always great to get your

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