Joe Rogan JUST *Called Out* Elon Musk! Yikes!!

then someone on Twitter at the time

said um hey you should fight zck and I

said well I'm willing to fight if you if

he is um and um and then zck posted uh I

think on Instagram or something uh name

the place or something something like

that effect and I was like okay how

about the Vegas

octagon um and then um and then uh Italy

actually was willing to let us use the

Coliseum so I was like well let's can't

turn that down you know yeah um and then

um but then and then I was like well if

it's going to be in the Coliseum you

know we like I like UFC and everything

but we don't have like tons of ads in

and UFC branding on the Coliseum because

it's a historical you know play it's a

you know it's a place of great history

you don't want to right just uh you know

have it be like NASCAR right so so then

um and then zck Zuck pulled out you

know wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

no no no no no no I don't think you

could just say and then zck pulled out

elon's like yo let's go to your house

and do there's so much more to the story

and I don't know everything but I

definitely know there's way more than we

just heard to the point where Elon was

like live streaming himself on full

self-driving wanting to go to zuck's

house to fight Zuck at his house and

then zuck's like no no no man like no

free testing of the skills basically bro

like if you want to do a fight let's do

it real and elon's like yo why are you

chickening to scrimmage me you know and

and and and then it kind of just like

faded and then nobody ever heard about

it again uh you know zuck's kind of like

well hit me up when you're actually

serious about having a real fight as

opposed to a backyard fight but now

elon's here saying H he backed out bro

no no no no no no no no like even Elon

supporters should call [ __ ] on that

right there that no no

no um so he pulled out he pulled out of

it yeah yeah no oh what was the

narrative what did you hear Jamie yes

Joe

Joe

yes well I'm will so he was like oh no

it's got to be dude I love Joe sus right

here I love Joe susing this out dude

let's go

UFC Rules I'm like well okay we got have

UFC Rules in the Coliseum it's fine but

we just don't want to have you got to

respect the historical Integrity of the

place you just the Coliseum just seems

like the coolest place to do it that's

why and then and then Elon distracts and

then Elon flips and distracts no way

Elon flips it and turns it into oh uh

yeah basically let's go back to talking

about the uh

Coliseum no I mean Like Gladiator you

know come on if they said it's okay yeah

so he just wants it to be in the actual

UFC like in Vegas so so then he said oh

well you know uh like he accused me of

not not being serious I said look listen

at the end of the day if I'll fight you

any place anywhere under any rules oh Z

that's what I said so so I'm you know

name the he's the name of the place I'm

like I'm if I'm happy to fight him in a

house on a mouse with a

we like Go full Dr Seuss here now how

much time I'm way bigger than him this

is unfair I know I don't think he should

fight me um because because you're so

much bigger than him yeah I'm like 50%

harder than him yeah I'll just use a war

I've got my pented War rust move oh and

now he's doing the angle of well I would

have won anyway Zuck shouldn't fight me

anyway oh dude no Twisted narrative L

him well you know like warus doesn't

need martial arts training

right because it's really big you don't

want to go wrestling A W R Us right

because he's Gonna Roll on you have you

ever been ever rolled with someone was

much small keep in mind I found a Zuck

post Zuck said Elon won't confirm a date

then says he needs surgery now asks to

do a practice round in my

backyard if Elon ever gets serious about

a real date and official event he knows

how to reach me otherwi

time to move on I'm going to focus on

competing with people who take the sport

seriously that's not musk Zuck backing

out like again like I'm just trying to

be factual here and I I can't defend

musk on that and I think Eli or uh I

think Joe Rogan here I mean look at his

face look at Joe Rogan's face Joe

Rogan's like you're a Shyer musk aren't

you come on dude

it totally susing it out smaller than

you the does Jiu-Jitsu yes you Lex yeah

yeah yeah no I I didn't 10 years of

martial arts um how much have you

trained personally I a decade of it well

you did a lot of uh karate right uh I

did Judo Judo Kai kin Kai karate yeah um

I did some Jiu-Jitsu Taekwondo um street

fighting which I was

involuntary um I I I'm you know I think

I'd be decent I I did martial L

competitions when I was a teenager

really interesting so look at you George

St Pierre Elon John Doner the Great

Master and Lex fredman but like like Lex

is uh I think he's got like 20% heavier

than Zuck so and I'm way bigger than Lex

yeah that's why they have weight

categories oh yeah yeah um did you get a

chance to talk to Doner at all the guy

on the left that guy F do you know

history no he's from New Zealand or

something he was a professor of

philosophy at Columbia okay and fell in

love with jiu-jitsu okay I mean fell in

love with it to the point where he was

sleeping on the mats and teaching all

day long he's an obsessive he is a real

Kaizen disciple and in oh man he is one

of the most unique characters I've ever

met in my life one of the most I will

say that's that do is very unsurprising

for Elon Musk to spin the narrative like

that huge credit to Joe Rogan for susen

that out never ended up getting the full

narrative here from Rogan or the staff

or whatever In fairness I think that's

awkward like let other people do that

like me you know from a third person

point of view because if Joe Rogan fact

checks him and makes him look like a

fool on the show elon's not going to

come back to the show other people might

not want to come to the show so it's

very difficult in Joe Rogan's position

but he gave enough of an indication

where he's like uhhuh I'm on to this I I

I know all about the narrative I'm

letting you tell a story I know what the

story should sound like and that ain't

it all right wow uh so let's keep going

with uh yeah the podcast most brilliant

man I've ever met and he's completely

dedicated to Jiu-Jitsu and he has raised

through this particularly this bit him

to a duel under any circumstances SW

fight what time you need to

prepare I don't need any time no time at

all how's your cardio

wait let's go back instructor more he

doesn't really have that hair he

bleaches it John Doner is universally

regarded as the greatest jiu-jitsu

instructor alive and his student is

universally regarded as the greatest

Jiu-Jitsu competitor alive yeah and it

is because John is like a complete AB

like a guy out of a superhero book like

you wouldn't you you're not going to

find another one of those a guy with a

genius level IQ who's one of I mean you

talk to him he's fascinating and he is

obsessed with Combat Sports Warfare like

th like strategy yeah brilliant guy yeah

okay where is he I was impressed when I

met him um I mean the things that like

uh if I was fighting someone who I was

not where I was not much bigger than

them then I would be more

concerned um how much time did you need

to prepare I like how Elon is that okay

Elon now backtracking here Joe Rogan

just went on a whole tangent on somebody

totally

different and now elon's you know in

this defensive position right his hands

are car like this is It's defensive it's

like self- soothing when you sit like

this or you sit with your arms like this

he hasn't been sitting like that he's

been sitting pretty casually most of the

time now he realizes he just said

something that was a fib and now he's

after Joe Rogan's entire rant on some

totally unrelated wasn't really a rant

it was a discussion Elon Musk goes back

to the Zuck issue let's listen to how he

tries to unbury himself from this fa I

don't need any time no time at all no

how's your

cardio finding someone how much time do

you need to prepare who I was not where

I was not much bigger than them then I

would be more

concerned um how much time did you need

to prepare I don't need any time no time

at all no how's your cardio no it's not

it that will not be a factor

really I I mean what's the likelihood of

this actually happening I like I'm

willing to do it anytime anywhere any

place any rules well I think this

stating it this way might accelerate

this process especially on this platform

I mean I I challenge him to a duel under

any

circumstances sure Jesus

that's not Neary at dawn that's not

necessary I think physical hand Nerf

guns at noon yeah Nerf guns at noon well

you could you could slash it out in the

metaverse but yeah in the real world I

listen I it there's there just a reason

they have weight categories you know um

so

uh you know there's a a friend of mine

who is pretty good at fighting um but

she weighs she weighs about half of what

what I do and um and I said let me let

me show you why there's weight

categories in in fighting and I'm I'm

going to do move called the wal Rus and

and you have to just I'm just gonna lie

on you I'm not gonna put you in a lock

or anything I'm just gonna lie on you

but I'm I'm gonna you know position

myself such that it's hard to get off

out from under me and I just I'm G to

lie Crossways on you and and you you try

to get get away you won't be able to get

away which you

couldn't just you know like Joe's like I

don't know about that man you take

somebody with skills man don't just rely

on a weight sandbag here horse falls on

you right you can get trapped under a

horse but you're not a horse what do you

weigh about

230 yeah two 240 yeah

yeah so no no I'm not a horse but I'm

saying in the limit if something's heavy

enough like you know a horse falls in

you and dies you can get trapped under a

horse and not be able to get yourself

out right a horse weighs 1,500 to 2,000

pounds on average but if someone's good

enough I mean I'm sure you've seen like

absolute weight classes in Jiu-Jitsu

where you'll get a 145 pound competitor

who strangles a 220 pound competitor and

they're both well trained because if

someone is that good unlikely it's not

unlikely it happens quite often okay

when you get Elite competitors when you

get Elite competitors like Elite black

belts at the 145 155 pound weight limit

you'd be shocked there's a ton of videos

of these guys who will strangle much

larger black belts yeah I'm not saying

it's impossible it's just highly

unlikely um and if if if this were not

the case there would not be strict

weight categories in martials that is

true yeah that is true but very I don't

know about that I think the weight

categories are to equalize the fairness

right because at that advanced level of

training even a two or three% Edge makes

a difference right at scale two or 3%

Edge because let's say you're you're

larger than somebody else and you're

equally trained but you're larger and

you win solely because you weigh 60 lbs

more but you've both equally trained

your whole lives the same and you have

that two or 3% chance Edge that that

that is the fairness that weight

categories are trying to balance Elon is

making this argument that weight

categories exist because if you're 60

pounds higher you will basically 99% of

fights win just by lying down on

somebody and Joe Rogan's here like I

don't know man there's some pretty you

know skinny dudes who are really skilled

who take down big people elon's like n

no chances are slim to none like elon's

implying weight categories exist to

prevent this impossible extreme I think

weight categories exist to level the

playing field by shaving off even those

small percentage of gains uh between

equally trained individuals I guess

that's on to everybody's opinion though

the reason why they allow absolutes in

Jiu-Jitsu is uh because the it is the

thrill of watching these smaller people

go against much larger people and

sometimes they win no I just just like

um armies you know when the people take

note when a small army defeats a big

army because it is so unusual yes not

because it's normal right um you know if

there's like it's like it was two

against 10,000 and boy would beat those

two guys

up more likely what happens if if if

you're cever outnumbered uh you will

lose almost certainly so look at the

size difference between these two

guys play it out well it's the end of

the video this is uh Mikey musi who is

another fascinating individual this guy

is another Super Genius who trains every

day 12 hours a day and uh he is

competing against a black belt in the

heavyweight division Mikey musi might

weigh 145 pounds and he beats this guyy

do

super great shape part where the it

seemed like you got penalties or

something oh they push them out of

balance I don't know what that won on I

think they're out of

balance okay yeah that's was that's just

out of bounds so scoot ahead and see

what happens when C

with what happened I'm not saying it's

impossible it's just very unlikely so he

won by points yeah so won by points I

think you're making the point for me

here yeah well in that case that guy's

strangled a lot muchar larger people

than him um but again he's extraordinary

he's a world champion he's world

champion for one which is this huge uh

organization in Singapore they do these

events where they have all kinds of

different martial arts they have MMA tie

boxing yeah

yeah um so you would do it under any

rules sure all right let's go I like it

I like the fact that you're interested

in doing this it's fun um it makes it

fun yeah I mean I I could you know this

this could be an exercise in

huus yeah there's some regret there find

out we could find out i' like the fact

that zuck's interested in it too I like

the fact that he uh he trained so much

yeah I mean there's there aren't very

many ways to actually if if you stick

with the rules that you just to um like

for example if you want to put somebody

in an armlock you have to be able to

extend their arm and if you if you if

somebody is strong enough that they that

you cannot extend their arm then you're

limited to chokes chokes and and you can

you can do a an arm loock across the

groin with with both arms and legs like

hoist Gracie did upside down and I think

it was like the third UFC fight or

something like that yeah he was pretty

severely damaged that was in femo yeah

that enormous guy yeah and he did upside

down um arm lock across the groin

because he could not do an arm loock um

you know a sort of sidebar armlock so um

but after that people were like why to

that move so they're like not going to

be allow themselves to get a armlock

across the grin without you know that

that was like a you know overconfidence

I think um well it was exhaustion I mean

they fought like tooth and nail for

something like seven or eight minutes

and you know hoist survived and then

eventually wore the guy well when you're

a big steroid it up guy like that too

the oxygen depletion like amward so

that's that's the fight portion have to

say you know Elon really tried to

backtrack the oops uh Mark Zuck backed

out the only way he was able to

backtrack off of Mark Zuck backed out

was basically by committing to being

willing to fight Mark Zuck anytime

anywhere so he's kind of reactivating

the whole fight thing even though he

probably didn't mean to he kind of had

to because he called out musk for or

zuuk for backing out even though that

wasn't true interesting move

all right what else we got here fast

forward a bit UFC is not just Jiu-Jitsu

you can punish people yeah let's keep

going so the we bet the year off no this

is that's That's Mike Tyson of Ander

Holyfield that's from the 90s yeah no

this fight that took place this last

weekend Francis and who was the UFC

heavyweight champion he vacated the belt

so he could take this fight with Tyson

Fury more fighting let's keep going um

it's a i KN I knew you take it easy on

me in the first round so the only way

I'm when to knock him over is is

momentum so I got to basically run wait

wait we're back to more fight stuff hold

on this part seems interesting like I I

mean I had like some childhood injuries

uh like I said I was in some pretty

severe fights as a kid like really like

was almost killed at one point so really

what

happened I was just in school in South

Africa it's a very violent place um

so um there been many involuntary fights

it's just the way it was

um but anyway so I had like and I had

some rugby injuries as well um I suppose

South South Africa won the World Cup

which is cool and in rugby um so uh so

so I think that that was like not a good

starting position uh but then um the

world champion Su wrestlers world

champion s wrestler they did kind of

like a demo bout for my birthday um and

since it was my birthday they I guess

they just they call up the birthday boy

and say like hey do you want to suum

wrestle this is where like it's a

similar weight differential he was 50%

heavier than me so um like I know 360

370 pounds um and um it's a i KN I knew

you take it easy on me in the first

round so the only way I'm going to knock

him over is is momentum so I got to

basically run at him um so I did uh run

at him did a judo throw knocked him over

um and smashed the disc in my neck in

the process oh yeah it's like it be like

running at that wall you know if you run

out a wall

it's G to hurt did you have to get it

fused or anything yeah oh

man so it's like you can knock you can

you you can knock over someone you can

defeat someone bigger than you if

willing to you know smash a disc in your

neck yeah well if you know what you're

doing and you're willing to smash a disc

on your neck those two things so he

wasn't expecting me to be a total

lunatic on round

one um and he defeated me obviously in

round two and three because he was like

well eyes knows what to expect but keep

going 5 C6 because because it could it

could slide and when it would slide

forward the C5 C6 would bang and crunch

the nerve and what does the normal this

has to do with a surgery do insanely

powerful and fast

yeah cool so you compete at the highest

level with your neck fused yeah yeah

yeah I'm not I'm not too worried about

that Alaine Sterling who was the UFC

banway champion he um got his neck neck

fused and then or not got a disc

replaced rather in his neck and then

went on to defend his title three

times still this isn't helping Elon

elon's trying to use the surgery as an

out and now El's like

[Laughter]

damn look at Joe's face there in that

clip wait look at that look at that the

Joe's like got you

[ __ ]

what what is going on here just a few

decades ago yeah now you're good to

go it be okay then yeah well medical

science is pretty [ __ ] incredible

what they could do now you know I mean

injuries that would have like you would

have been [ __ ] for the rest of your

life just a few decades ago yeah now

you're good to

go yeah so I'm excited we've kind of

rekindled this Zuck versus Elon Fire I

mean he's checking out what that's the I

don't think he's checking out

checking out you think so yeah [ __ ] [ __ ]

[ __ ] well maybe he's lck suck

suck I'll go to him into fighting using

tuns it might work yeah it I mean

somehow or another you got him to agree

in the first

place I was stunned surely he will

respond to a taor like that yeah

surely I mean how can you resist how can

you res res yeah exactly just go let's

go full School schoolyard tor what if

there was like real um consequences on

the line like what if you guys had a

real bet okay sure like the moderation

team from X takes over moderation of

Facebook if you win no problem it sounds

good and if he wins Vice RSE it a fight

for civilization yeah a literal fight

for civilization I mean I'll do it wow

heavy

true and you would even trained for this

no I train a little bit train a little

bit Yeah like how many weeks you

need

I mean I I I don't have to train I could

do it like

tomorrow I tried going to his house

actually did you really yeah because he

lives in paloalto um and we're doing

some um you know Tesla full self-driving

testing so see this is Elon literally

trying to go back once again we're like

40 to 50 minutes now from the FIB of oh

Zuck backed out Elon keeps going back to

it because he feels bad the basic Ally

got

exposed I'm like well got to pick a

destination press the button go navigate

to zuck's house yeah basically suck um

Joe is so good he's so good because he's

like I'm your friend Elon oh it's so

easy oh yeah I'm on autopilot like he's

he's totally trying to like soften

elon's guilt here it is he's a pro

interviewer he's not far he's like a I

think he's like three miles away from

the Tesla Tesla California headquarters

wow um but uh I don't know there's

nobody

there he's probably in Hawaii he

according to a spokesman he was

traveling Oh yeah been wild if he was

there yeah you say literally like like

anytime I thought it was funny um to go

like you know I'm coming over to your

house I'm gonna get you well it's even

more funny when it's two of the richest

guys in the world yeah yeah

um so anyway he didn't uh didn't answer

yeah too bad yeah too bad it's a it's

just fun it's fun and I'm I'm glad

you're you're just for the fun of it I

mean I think it would be well actually

like Dana Dana White thinks it would be

like the like the you know a really big

ticket fight it would be [ __ ] huge

yeah I would commentate on that yeah I

mean the pro could go to charity and

stuff it be yeah it' be crazy people

would want to see what the hell's going

on oh my God it would be [ __ ] huge

yeah yeah it would be really crazy crazy

like if if they close the thing yeah and

Bruce Buffer is in there it's time the

place would go [ __ ] bananas bananas

yeah yeah let's do it does it have to be

in the Coliseum would you agree no I'll

do it anywhere I literally said anywhere

anytime you know where you should do any

rules you know where you should do it

the sphere in Las Vegas the sphere is

great amazing it's amazing