Tucker Carlson Interviews Putin [Unbiased Fact Check].
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on Thursday evening Tucker Carlson broke
the internet in this video we are going
to break down 10 fact checks on the
Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin interview
and we're going to talk where we stand
what's next for Russia Ukraine what's an
analysis that we could take away after
Tucker Carlson's interview we're going
to do that right now first I want to
just thank you on Thursday evening we
had
150,000 folks watching my commentary of
Tucker Carl son's interview live at the
same time this was
incredible that commentary video got
over 1.3 million views with a 22 minute
summary video there after getting over
half a million views all in the span of
about 36 hours and that is a huge thank
you to all of y'all so if you're a new
subscriber here welcome I do my best to
be as neutral as possible and even if I
don't get everything right the first
time I try my best to fix it later on
the goal here is to be neutral so let's
get into it fact check number one or
maybe Point number one because I don't
think anybody disputes this one the
media the mainstream media absolutely
hated Tucker Carlson's interview with
Vladimir Putin almost every single media
outlet that discussed the interview was
very upset at Tucker and we'll talk
about why in just a moment but listen to
some of these quotes Politico said
Tucker all himself with the Enemy that
Carlson lied that the Western media had
not even bothered to try to speak with
Putin and that he's just a useful idiot
Al jazer says Carlson didn't pressure
Putin the way he used to sandbag on Pro
Democratic guests on Fox News he didn't
even try to refute Putin's outlandish
and ungrounded claims Tucker goddamned
Carlson served a very well microphon
stand for the crazy maniac who for 2
hours rambled about how he loved to kill
ukrainians me just take a quick pause
there I didn't hear that from Putin
neither did I really align with any of
these quotes I've seen so far because I
I didn't so far hear any kind of real
reputation of what Tucker or Putin said
there's been a lot of this backlash
without actual real anal in commentary I
mean consider this Chris Wallace claims
that Carlson did not interview Putin
Carlson just sat there as an eager
puppet he cashed in on a Putin and asked
nothing about invading a sovereign
country the innocent lives lost war
crimes or anything calling him a useful
idiot is an insult to useful
idiots the New York Times says Carlson's
interview with Putin is a 2-hour
marathon of delusion
and fakes and also almost no
factchecking at least that I could
easily find frankly as an
interviewer myself uh since I interview
folks like whether it's uh Peter Schiff
or Kevin o or bar Corin from Shark Tank
or my interview with Patrick M David you
name it as an interviewer myself there
is a real risk of offending the person
you're interviewing to a substantial
degree to where they kick you out they
cancel your interview they take your
tapes they ruin the potential of you
ever interviewing anybody else they
prevent the basically in such a case you
would really prevent your interview from
being heard by consumers at all and so
in other words if in an interview you're
way too aggressive you're basically
saying hey nobody like this person
should ever come on the channel again
and the free flow of ideas stops see
usually what I like to do when I
interview somebody is interview somebody
and then analyze afterwards what do we
think think do we agree with this do we
disagree with this let's have commentary
on things afterwards but to debate and
prevent the free flow of opinions in an
interview when it's an interview and not
a debate usually doesn't go very well
consider for example when a BBC reporter
famously interviewed Elon Musk while
trying to confront Elon Musk and turning
it into a debate Elon Musk turned around
and suggested that the reporter was
simply a liar and none of the other
parts of the interview you ever became
memorable I then I I say so that you
don't know what you're talking about
really yes because you can't me a single
example of hateful content not even one
tweet and yet you claimed that the
hateful content was high well that's a
false no what I claim Li what no no what
I claim was uh there are many uh
organizations that say that that kind of
information is on the rise now whether
whether it has on my or not I mean right
something like the the Strategic
dialogue Institute in the in the UK so
there is a real risk to actually
alienating your audience when you're
trying to let somebody your interview
share their flu free flow of ideas by
debating somebody solely in an interview
what you're basically doing is you're
robbing your audience of the ability to
make their own decision and see this is
why I like factchecking things
afterwards let them talk let them have
their free flow thought and fact check
afterwards for example I looked at Boris
Johnson's fact check because he wrote a
fact check in the daily mail and I'll
tell you most of it revolved around
Tucker Carlson's interview was a tissue
of Lies he betrayed his viewers and
listeners around the world Tucker was
just a sewer for Putin's
message why not a point BYO breakdown of
where things were right and where things
are wrong we didn't really get that from
Boris Johnson around the world people
are watching that ludicrous interview
with Vladimir Putin conducted by Tucker
Carlson and we must not fall to this
tissue of Lies above for the notion that
Putin is somehow fated to succeed in
Ukraine on the contrary he is doomed to
fail read about it in the daily Man All
We Got Is Well what Putin said Is A Lie
okay well why is it a lie where's the
evidence that it's a lie remember Putin
specifically called out Boris Johnson
Boris Johnson was implicated by Putin as
being the person who killed the deal
Ukraine and Russia were going to sign as
a negotiated settlement in Istanbul
Boris Johnson's response was he
lied barefaced about his intention to
invade Ukraine he lied about the ending
of the settlement and that's really it
we didn't really actually get evidence
you could read the piece yourself it's
in the Daily Mail it's literally written
by Boris Johnson John Kirby says well
look this is from the White House right
one of the communications directors
there's bipartisan support for Ukraine
don't take at face value what Putin says
why Senate leaders keep in mind uh
Senate leaders did just fail to lock in
another $7.9 billion Amendment for
Ukraine so that's per punch bow as of
today so I'm not sure if there actually
is bipartisan support right now but okay
uh and uh I did think it was very
interesting that in
2019 you had Donald Trump encourage
zalinski to work things out with Putin
this is on video I posted the links to a
lot of This research and that video with
Trump on ec.com and I really hope that
Russia because I really believe that
President Putin would like to do
something I really hope that you and
President Putin get together and can
solve your problem that would be a
tremendous achievement and I know you're
trying to do
that look it's possible that I failed
maybe I missed where the mainstream
media really wanted to break down this
interview fact by fact but the reality
is I spent about 6 hours just this
morning all solely looking at media fact
checks and the vast majority of clips
and quotes were simply Putin's a
[Applause]
liar why here's a second fact check
where Politico is arguing Tucker Carlson
is a liar Tucker Carlson is a liar
Politico says because Tucker says it's
not that America was going to launch a
surprise attack on Russia I didn't say
that and then politicals like well
Tucker you're a liar because Putin says
America was going to do that okay so
what does Putin say well Putin says
quote we know who the main adversary for
the US and NATO is it's Russia and
Ukraine will serve as the advanced
foothold for such an attack okay but
wait a second let's parse this Ukraine
being a foothold does not necessarily
mean the United States is going to
conduct a surprise attack there can be
something known as a preemptive strike
which is okay let's say Russia starts
moving tanks to the Border where America
is and they conduct a preemptive strike
but nobody suggesting that America was
going to surprise attack Russia now keep
this in mind for a moment okay where
we're going with this so Putin's not
saying that Putin's not saying that
America was going to surprise attack
Russia Putin's not saying that uh or or
Tucker Carlson's not saying that
America's going to surprise attack
Russia and political is like you guys
said America was going to surprise
attack them that's not true I'm like
that's not what they
said so I wanted to clarify that number
three the NATO expansion okay this one
is really disputed this is a tough one
NATO expansion oh boy this one gets very
heated so let's just try to keep this as
neutral as possible according to France
24 they did a French piece on this it's
translated from French in 1990 I've got
these all linked at ec.com so you can
see all my evidence US Secretary of
State James Baker made to former Soviet
leader
gorbachov during a meeting on February
9th 1990 an agreement that NATO would
not expand past the territory of East
Germany a promise that was then repeated
by NATO's General Secretary on a speech
May 17th 1990 that same year in Brussels
okay so we have this this argument that
gorbatov was made a deal that NATO would
not expand East and that was echoed by
NATO's general secretary in a speech on
May 17th 1990 it's a long time ago this
is like 34 years ago 1991 NATO Secretary
General Reen
stoltenberg was asked by desel about
NATO expansion and if they promis not to
expand Eastward so about a year later
and what does the NATO General Secretary
say that simply isn't true such a
promise was never made there was never
such a back room deal it's simply wrong
hm what happened after that well in 1990
NATO accepted the Czech Republic Hungary
Poland in 2004 Bulgaria Estonia latva
Lithuania
Romania Slovakia Slovenia in 2009
Albania Croatia in 2017 Montenegro and
in 2020 North Macedonia so as you can
see we've certainly moved
Eastward now you have folks on both
sides of the aisle who say well we never
made a deal because look at yens saying
we never made a deal and then you have
other people quoting 1990 saying wait
but you guys did make a deal so
basically people on both sides are using
different parts of his history and
clearly whether a deal was made it was
pretty much unmade very quickly This is
highly disputed NATO claims it never
promised it would not expand East NATO
actually quotes gorbatov the same person
that France 24
said was in agreement with no Eastward
expansion but in 2014 so 14 years later
gorbash says in an interview the topic
of NATO expansion was not discussed at
all and it wasn't brought up in any of
those years I say that with full
responsibility not a single Eastern
European country raised the issue not
even after the warsa pack ceased to
exist in 1991 Western leaders didn't
bring it up
either so on both sides you have this
giant potential misunderstanding that
unfortunately has been going on forever
now I will give NATO uh a a an argument
here when people say nato is trying to
encircle Russia NATO has a really good
point when they say hey this is how much
of Russia we've encircled the little
orange line at the top left and the tiny
little bit at the top right that's it I
I'll remove myself at the
bottom that's that's a pretty pretty
solid counterargument it's still
potentially NATO well it is NATO right
on Russia's border which obviously
unsettles Russia and Putin but it's
worth knowing that detail uh next the m
agreements okay these are really
disputed as well so remember that these
are a series of agreements that started
in 2014 m 1 2014 and then a little later
in 2014 we had m 2 these were ceasefire
and monitoring agreements some people
suggest that the M agreement were never
meant to be followed by Ukraine anyway
that they were just a tooled by time so
basically Ukraine wants to buy time so
they commit to the mixed agreements and
Russia's kind of like hey Ukraine and
Putin just said this in interview
Ukraine you're not implementing the Mi
ofs why why not and Ukraine's like well
we're not implementing them because
you're not implementing them and then
you have merkel's phone call which just
added fuel to this fire Merkel in a call
with pranksters where somebody pretended
to be a president and and Merkel fell
for it uh said that the MST agreement
bought Ukraine valuable time H this just
adds complexity because now you have
folks on one side of the aisle who say
oh so Ukraine never actually wanted to
fulfill the deal and then you have
people on the other side who say no it's
true a ceasefire buys a country time to
rebuild but then you have people who
counter that and go rebuild for what
rebuild your Weaponry rebuild your de
your your defenses and
fortify so you can see how money this
gets really quickly so this one is very
clearly disputed and that's a lot of the
problem of what's going on here is the
issue between Russia and Ukraine it's
not clearcut if it was clearcut probably
be a lot easier to solve but it's a very
disputed and both sides never actually
made things Crystal Clear whether on
purpose because they never had the true
intention of following through with them
on both sides right or that's just the
way things played out who knows now
there was a claim that it was disgusting
for Putin to claim that polls
collaborated with Nazis that would never
be
true well actually it is possible that
both could be true that poles did not
collaborate with Nazis and that poles
did present and collaborate with Nazis
see Poland currently presents itself as
a noble victim during World War II and
Poland did suffer in fact half of all
Jews who died during World War II died
on polish
land polls resisted Nazi occupation some
polls helped hide their Jewish Neighbors
the collaboration point of view comes
from the fact
that eventually you get individuals in
Poland who recognize the Nazis have
taken over and you could either
collaborate or die in other words
somebody comes to your house with a gun
and says where are the Jews hiding you
get caught hiding you're dead your
family's dead your wife is dead your
husband's dead your children are dead
or people do this during war they're
over there this is horrible it's
horrible right that would be a form of
collaboration to so to speak save
yourself so the reality is probably both
are true there are probably people who
did collaborate with the Nazis there are
probably people who would rather die
than collaborate with the Nazis so the
odds are both are probably true Poland
today makes it a crime to say that
anyone in Poland collaborated with Nazis
so it's clearly very
touchy
now another fact check this one comes
down to semantics so political argued
that there was a decree Banning
negotiations with Putin Politico says
the president of Ukraine has legislated
a ban on negotiating with Russia Putin
or or rather political calls this a lie
because the be the ban is actually on
negotiating with Putin not with Russia
okay so basically they're saying Putin
is is lying because there's a ban on
negotiating with Russia but the ban
isn't actually with Russia it's with
Putin point of this is this is semantics
Putin is the President of Russia if
someone said negotiations are banned
with Biden like Biden or not
negotiations with the US would probably
be dead as well so this is semantics and
I thought this was a really weak like
argument to try to get out there and
fact check Putin on Putin saying oh yeah
you know they banned people from
negotiating with us collectively for the
purpose of this conflict Putin is
Russia number seven fact check a lot of
people got upset about Putin's claim to
be the largest European economy on the
basis of PPP purchase power parody
Putin's actually right here now PPP is
really complicated to understand I'm
going to try to make it as simple as
possible that's what I try to do on the
channel I try to keep things simple and
explain them as simply as possible all
right purchasing power parody basically
how much does it cost to buy a TV remote
control I'm making this totally up as an
example and a cup of coffee in uh
America versus China versus Europe let's
say okay and and and you know what a
rental car so let's do a rental car a
remote control and a cup of coffee okay
let's say in America it costs
$400 and that's going to be our Baseline
let's say it cost $500 in Europe and
let's say it cost $200 $ in China well
in China it cost half as much as the US
in Europe it costs 25% more so now what
you could do is you can divide a
country's GDP by a waiting Factor so in
other words if China's GDP is $13
trillion on a PPP basis because
everything's half as expensive you
actually divide their GDP by 0.5 which
makes their GDP look twice as big
whereas in Europe you divide by 1.25
it's a waiting Factor you're trying to
put everything at the dollars to wait it
all the same which actually makes let's
say Germany's economy for example look
smaller and Russia's look larger so is
it true yes on a PPP basis not you know
the paycheck Protection Program on a
purchasing power parody basis yes Europe
is the largest economy in well sorry
Russia is the largest economy in Europe
however remember it can be very very
inaccurate because it's not that easy to
calculate the cost of a basket of goods
in all these different countries and
then adjust them uh it is also complex
because usually these adjustments don't
account for uh the costs of actually
trying to buy these things the tariffs
the taxes supply and demand factors so
there's so much adjusting to do it's
it's not a good measure and so we could
agree that purchasing power parody is
probably a little bit of a bad
comparison but if we are going to use it
Putin is
correct number eight why did the USSR
collapse so political says that the USSR
collapsed because of Economic and
internal political struggles and they
complained that Putin said the collapse
was initiated by Russian
leadership again I feel like we're
trying to like grasp at straws to call
Putin a liar here both can be true it
can be true that Russian leadership was
actually the reason there were internal
political struggles and economic
issues political counter claims of
Putin's argument that the US controls
the world's media political argues media
are privately owned yes most media are
privately owned in America though let's
be real the Twitter files have made it
or at least created substantial doubt in
the independence of the mainstream media
this does not make all journalists bad
this does not make all media companies
bad however
Putin hits on American doubts he's
twisting the knife in a wound of
Suspicion and Americans have the right
to be suspicious in fact everybody
around the world has the right to be
suspicious of what they're being told
this is why it's nice to hear the
opposite point of view everybody has
their own prop propaganda but at least
if you are provided both sets of
propaganda at least you have a little
bit more ammunition to to see where the
differences truly lay now Russell Brand
goes on a rant that's I shouldn't maybe
call it a rant but let's just say he has
a a somewhat simplistic approach of the
US just wants more money for the
military industrial complex that's why
we're going to keep this going which
Putin hit on as well and Russell Brand
is probably correct the military
industrial complex is very very powerful
and many people in America are
frustrated that we keep spending money
for bombs and weapons for other
countries look at the amount of money
we've given Israel and now folks are
scratching their head going wait wait
wait wait we're asking you not to invade
Rafa city Egypt is putting their
military on high alert on the border of
Rafa City because that's right on the
border with Egypt and now y'all want to
invade Rafa City where you've got a
bunch of refugees essentially and
Israel's like well we got to fully
eliminate Hamas
so at some point you wonder like if you
keep supporting the supplying of weapons
are you financing people's other Wars to
where maybe their their ability to make
decisions could be skewed by the fact
that you don't actually have to open
your wallet you know if somebody's like
cart blanch you know here's as much
money as you need for bombs and weapons
it's probably a lot easier to make the
decision to invade somewhere or not
whereas if you actually have to cut the
check yourself you actually have to
start weighing things like okay do we
invade here or do we invade there right
you you have to pick you can't pick
everything but if somebody else is
paying for everything it's easier to
just go I'll just keep going right so
again this this isn't like an argument
for against Israel it's just
saying yes this is this is a fair
argument from Russell Brand yes and
people are very frustrated in America
about the military-industrial complex
the funding of Wars around the world cuz
could we instead use that money to focus
on our own needs now of course we have
to balance this because other people say
hey well you know it's the reason uh
America is deemed to be as safe as it is
you know the reason for it is because of
the military-industrial complex they're
keeping us safe you know this is
obviously where debates could be had
about the military-industrial complex
take a shot every time I just said that
phrase so anyway want to give a little
bit of that uh it is uh it is something
that has been the core of many videos
most mostly because I think it's it that
that is a pain point for a lot of
Americans if you go to Americans and
you're like should we keep funding you
know bombs in other countries it's very
popular for people say hell no spend the
money here in America and there are a
lot of problems America needs help with
ir ran for governor in California to try
to work to solve
those zelinsky's father point 10 zin's
father it Putin was wrong about this
Putin suggested that zelinsky's father
fought in World War II it was actually
his grandfather zinski father was born
in
1947 so that's after the war however
zelinsky's grandfather did fight in
World War II however he was an awarded
comrade he fought for the Soviet Union
not the
Nazis so something to keep in
mind uh some other things that really
aren't up for dispute uh it is true that
the Soviet Union did try to join NATO
before the Warsaw PCT between you know
the Russian side and and various
countries was signed before the Warsaw
PCT collapsed and then those a lot of
those countries ended up joining NATO
NATO rejected Russia citing a lack of
democratic and defensive AIMS in Russia
so yes that that did happen uh some
folks are are picking up on uh Putin
claiming that ukrainians and Russians
are one this is probably false you're
probably not going to see a clear Unity
between the two populations anymore and
you could go all the way back to 2001
where Ur conducted a a poll we know
polls can be misleading as well but uh
67.5% of Ukraine's population declared
themselves as Ukrainian and uh chose
Ukrainian as their native language 29.6%
declared it Russian most of the time
you're seeing their primary language uh
being Russian on on the Eastern flanks
which makes sense uh and as far as like
nationality or ethnic origin overall
77.8% of Ukraine's population
self-identified ethnically as Ukrainian
with 17.3% identifying ethnically as
Russian
something else and and again take these
for what they are at this point I think
things are so different between Ukraine
and Russia you're probably not going to
fully assimilate assimilate but yeah you
do need to come up with some kind of
resolution because the constant war is
just
ridiculous yeah something else that we
got out of this is frankly Putin's
Health Putin's the fact that Putin is
dead is clearly not true that he has
these massive ailments and is incapable
of leading probably aren't true so it's
nice to kind of put some of those
conspiracies to rest I mean I suppose he
could still have cancer you can't really
tell but anyway uh Canadian uh or Justin
Trudeau responded to the Nazi argument
that's the argument that why did you
invite a shff officer to Parliament and
give him a standing ovation this was a
big Scandal a big faux paw in Canada and
Justin Trudeau basically said the
invasion of Ukraine was
unjust no response at all to the
question so punted the question this is
what why I get frustrated about the lack
of like fact checking like if the the
mainstream media is supposed to be so so
good where where are the real fact
checks why can't somebody go thanks for
giving us the perspective I know so
where do we stand now well in my opinion
Ukraine will likely rely on IMF loans
and budget cuts to fund its defense as
progress to fund Ukraine is stalled in
Congress and probably will be until at
least January of 2025 and that would be
the end of January 2025 anyway the
interview will Spotlight uh you know
well I I think the interview spotlights
uh talk of resolutions for Russia
Ukraine and uh this is good we want
people talking about negotiating this
and ending this war in fact Putin
invited for negotiation the problem is
what Putin said in terms of negotiation
was blurry there's some folks who
listened to the speech from Putin or the
interview from Putin it was somewhat a
speech given that most of it was Putin
talking some people listen to the direct
Russian translation and said that our
translation wasn't as good as what Putin
actually said
see our translation is what's there to
work out if you want to stop fighting
stop supplying weapons then it'll be
over in a few weeks then we can
negotiate which is basically saying
let's mop up Ukraine when they don't get
supplied weapons and then we can
negotiate that's the way it came through
in English however people who listen to
it in Russian say that's not exactly
what Putin meant suggesting that Putin
is actually much more open to compromise
because obviously the English
translation is not very negotiable
so the reality though is both sides have
dug in Putin has dug in Biden's dug in
Putin's doing the well they can call me
it's their fault and Biden's doing he
can call us it's his fault it's like
it's like fifth graders fighting it's
frankly ridiculous it's a stalemate of
stubbornness people need to wake up and
get their leaders to actually get on the
phone stop being little weenie babies
and start actually negotiating in nnest
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