WORST Data since 2008 *JUST OUT*
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We just got some bad news on the
economy. And this is really annoying
because it feels like one day we get
good news, then the next day we get bad
news, then we get good news, then we get
bad news. And that's actually
reminiscent of an economy that is in
transition. The question is, are we at
2007 levels or 2011 levels of transition
where we're just sort of like, oh man,
that was a crazy recession we went
through in 2011, right? maybe again in
22 uh until they change the definition.
Or are we about to go into the pooper
dupers? Challenger job cuts report that
just came out this morning indicates
that layoffs for October were the
highest since 2003. We need to talk
about that, but we also need to talk
about a hidden detail that nobody's
going to talk about because it's buried
in the report and it's actually
potentially more critical. But let's
look at the headlines first. So
October's pace of job cutting was much
higher than average for October. It's
really odd to see these kind of large
cuts going into the holiday season. Now,
of course, Amazon defends this, for
example, with their layoffs of 14,000,
which are part of this, obviously, I at
least presume, uh, by saying, "Oh, well,
you know, this was just sort of like the
corporate layer. We're not hire, you
know, we're not firing people that we
need in like the seasonal retail
division. We still want to sell to
consumers, which I, you know, still
think is a little questionable. Why not
then wait till like January or February?
But whatever. Job cuts surpass 1 million
for the year, highest total since 2003.
Mind you, we also have the worst October
uh not only since 2003, but what you're
about to see is the worst since 2008. So
again, I'm kind of like uh uh total job
cuts for the year are at a million and
October's pace of job cutting was much
higher than average for the month. Some
companies are saying they're correcting
after the hiring boom after the
pandemic. But this also comes as AI
adoption and softer consumer spending
and corporate spending as well as
increased costs are leading to belt
tightening. And I actually like the jade
here because I I kind of think this
whole like, oh, we just hired too much
after the pandemic is a nice excuse
that's relatable because people are
like, yeah, it was like there were a lot
of companies were hiring because it was
hard to find employees. But let's be
real, when you've got increases in cost
from inflation and you've got tariffs,
somebody's going to take it in the
margin. And usually it's the
corporations that go, "Crap, we can only
take so much." much. I mean, if you look
at the ISM and PMI reports yesterday, uh
what you end up finding is the companies
are saying like, yeah, you know, costs
are still going up. McDonald's is like
costs are still going up, but we can't
pass them on to the consumer because
people aren't paying. There's no PPE.
There's no price.
>> So, this is normal. We expected this to
happen. Cava, Chipotle, they're all
getting wrecked. Malls, I mean, these
are consumer-based. McDonald's is
complaining about it. Uh McDonald's is
trying to pitch you a 99 cent coffee
every day to to compete against
Starbucks. Starbucks is selling off
their businesses in China because their
China bet failed. And this mall I went
to yesterday, I love this kind of
research, by the way. I went to this
mall yesterday. It's called the Thousand
Oaks Mall. And what was remarkable is
the business just sold to another
company. And I looked at the earnings
call for the company that originally
owned it, which is ticker symbol MAC, a
Maul Ree. And I'm like, how come this
Mully is saying in their earnings call
that they are 94% occupied when I'm
like, bro, I'm walking through this, I'm
like, that's vacant, that's vacant,
that's vacant. Yeah, we got an
entertainment, you know, thing that they
kind of threw in here, which doesn't
look anywhere as nice or cool as a uh
Dave and Busters, and it's dead. In
fairness, it's a Wednesday evening, but
you kind of go through some of this
other stuff, you're like, "Oh my gosh,
that store is vacant right there." You
walk down, it's like vacancy, vacancy,
vacancy, vacancy, and you're just like,
"Bro, what's going on?" I mean, it's no
surprise malls are dead. Amazonification
or whatever. But I'm like, "Hey, on your
earnings report," this was another angle
from upstairs. On your earnings report,
Mac, you guys are like, "Oh, yeah, we're
94% occupied." And I'm going through and
I'm like, "No, you're not." you know,
and I'm like, I don't know, may maybe
maybe the average everywhere else is
that you're 100% occupied everywhere
else. So, I go through the earnings call
and it turns out this business is
actually selling off their assets with
the lowest vacancy. So, this particular
mall was included in their earnings call
as, oh yeah, we're really grateful we're
uh disposing of the following assets.
And they go on to list a bunch of malls
throughout the country. And I'm like,
wow, that's how you guys are doing it.
you guys are paying off debt by dumping
your crappy malls and letting other
people try to pick them up and flip
them. And now I'm looking at the people
who are trying to flip it, who've owned
it for, you know, a few months now. And
I'm like, well,
this ain't going well. You know, you may
have you may have thought you were
getting a good deal. You may have just
bought the bag. But point is like there
is true weakness in the consumer. And
this is why everybody talks about the
K-shaped recovery, right? And the
question is like where does this put us
in the cycle? And this is the part that
makes me nervous because look at this.
This is the part that doesn't get the
headlines. Y'all know AMD just reported
earnings and right after earnings, the
stock was down like 4.7% in the after
hours. It was nuts. Now, so far in the
overnight, it's recovering and hopefully
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part that doesn't get the headlines
right here. Not only did individual
companies announce large layoffs in
October, but a higher number of
companies announced job cut plans. This
is actually a red flag that is not going
to get the headlines. Job cut plans are
basically like, hey, yeah, like we
haven't announced uh the job cuts yet,
the layoffs, but we're going to. And
Challenger tracks this as well and they
found that there were nearly 450 job cut
plans at companies. That's up from 400
in September and it is the next highest
level since March which saw 350
individual job cut plans. The total for
the month was was the highest you know
since 2003 which is more than 20 years.
But October itself had the highest total
single month in the fourth quarter. So
this is specifically referring to the
fourth quarter since 2008.
So think about this alignment here.
Okay. Worst total job cuts for October
since 2003.
That's this chart right here. Okay. Ding
number one. Ding number two. worst
fourth quarter since 2008.
And remember, we had even worse
unemployment in 2009 after Lehman
Brothers collapsed, which is concerning.
Uh, and then see, they even say here
over the last decades, companies have
shied away from announcing layoffs in
the fourth quarter. So, it's surprising
to see so many in October. But it's not
just surprising to see so many in
October. It's also surprising to see now
the highest level of announcement plans
since basically liberation day tariff
panic and we're talking about a lot more
450 companies to announce layoffs is a
28% increase in layoffs to come since
March. So these numbers are bad.
technology 33,000. Retail, you know,
retail, not a surprise that you're not
seeing as many job cuts here yet. 2,400
down a little bit from the prior month.
So far, though, we're still high on
retail layoffs for the total for the
year. Uh services sector didn't see that
many in October. It's actually
warehousing that really drove a lot of
numbers in October which suggests quote
an ongoing overcapacity and
automationdriven restructuring. Okay, so
I'm going to give you a play but at this
point I think this play is getting a
little expensive but I think robotics
okay we've been talking about this in
the course member livereams. Symbotic we
know this is a play we've been playing
since 20 bucks. It's absolutely been
killing it. $4. This is forklift
robotics for factories like actual
warehouse automation. There are other
opportunities that you can get into in
robotics but look at that robotics
supply chain. Uh Pterodine is an example
of a company uh and there are plenty of
other companies uh that are involved in
robotics. But look at that robotic
supply chain. Talk to your AI about the
robotic supply chain. Uh it's it's
really impressive I think what
opportunities are out there. Uh and and
then you know the cues were absolutely
phenomenal yesterday. We did have a
little bit of a sell down into the
close, but I have to say it was crazy
crazy that we went from 618 to within 40
cents of my price target intraday
yesterday, which is exactly what we
called in the alpha report yesterday,
which was remarkable. If you haven't
joined that yet, go check that out over
at me.com. But, you know, how do we
reconcile this with what Nick T tells
us? Because this is obviously very
frustrating. And the ADP report, well,
the ADP report was good, right? Yes, it
was an above break even ADP report. But
then again, break evens should be
including government employment and we
don't have the numbers for government
employment because the Bureau of Labor
Statistics is shut. So, are we getting
potentially a poor sample of the labor
market? Yeah. Now, I'm not trying to
cast shade on the ADP report. I think
it's one of the best sets of data that
we have right now. At least it gives us
some direction. But Nick Tampers
some of the enthusiasm around the ADP
report by using the three-month average
with the 42,000 jobs growth in October
followed by two months of negative. The
3month average private sector payroll
growth would have been negative if it
weren't for the report that we got this
week from ADP. This is of course where
some people say, "Oh, well, you know,
this is obviously, you know, Donald
Trump's influence. There's some, you
know, something shady going on here with
the numbers." Who knows? I mean, like,
you know what's sus is that the Federal
Reserve was getting the weekly payrolls
data and then all of a sudden Waller
talks about how we get this weekly
payrolls data that says things are a
little soft. And all of a sudden, and we
don't know this, but we think they may
have gotten a phone call from the Trump
administration going, "Why the hell are
you putting out information that says
the economy is doing bad?" Then all of a
sudden, they come out and go, "You know
what? We're going to stop giving that
data to the Fed." Two weeks later
they're like, "You know what? We're just
going to give that data to everybody."
And then all of a sudden, it's magically
good.
Like, I'm not trying to be jaded on the
data, but I do like and appreciate that
Nick T is giving us a three-month moving
average. And I think this this is a
reiteration. It's this is like and I
think this is just the easiest way to
reconcile it. If you go to meet me
Kevin.com, I have a bare bull scale. And
I think that this this is a nice way to
just sort of see like listen, you know,
if you're there 10 all in on margin,
everything's fine. Like there's no risk,
right? Uh one, you're bearish. Sell
everything. We're kind of mid-range
here. And the rationale is earnings are
good except for that lower consumer uh
discretionary and and you know foodbased
side of the economy which is
unfortunate. A lot of people are
suffering things are expensive. Uh on
the flip side earnings at corporations
are fantastic but at some point the
consumer's pain shows up in corporate
earnings. Of course, for now, we've got
AI propping us up, but now you've got
Open AI pseudo requesting a bailout from
the Trump administration. And I'm like,
what the hell is going on? So, it's
weird, man, that I will say we are in a
bizarro environment. And so, it's not a
surprise we're getting this noisiness.
And I think for now until this is why I
say it over and over and over again.
Okay, the government reopening is going
to be the next negative catalyst.
Between now and then I'm more bullish
catalyst, but once the government
reopens, I'm negative on reopening. Why?
Why would I be negative on reopening?
That's when we actually get that VLS
data and it might actually show us that
hey we thought we were at 40K for
private but if we now get two or three
months worth of jobs data all in sort of
one cluster it's going to be like merry
Christmas we're trending below break
even and if we're negative on that for a
new 3 months
it's not good you know so so the trend
is at the moment worsening
we'll see how markets react to it today.
Thank you so much for watching. I'm
going to go on vacation now.
>> Why not advertise these things that you
told us here? I feel like nobody else
knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes.
>> Congratulations, man. You have done so
much. People love you. People look up to
you.
>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great
to get your take.
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