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This video is not for everybody, but

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it's very important, I think, especially

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for the charismatic church and for

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Christians in churches to deal with

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abuse, fraud, cover up, and the

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devastating breath of it all. Sean BS,

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this guy right here, he was my white

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rabbit. Okay, this guy was my white

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rabbit. He's the rabbit I chased down

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the rabbit hole to see how bad things

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are in coverup culture inside the

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charismatic church. The connections to

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all these different figures and years of

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stuff, generations of abusers, fraud and

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coverup in the charismatic church, Sean

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BS. So, you're going to go down the same

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rabbit hole I went down. This started

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early last year and I've spent the last

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year dealing with and talking to victims

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and people who have been hurt and

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gathering evidence. I've talked to many

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of the people that Shawn victimized and

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spiritually abused. I'm going to be

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sharing their stories. I have evidence

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that has never been seen by anybody

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before. I've uh gathered that evidence

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and I'm going to be sharing it along

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with witness testimony from multiple

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people.

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His victims asked me to speak out on

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their behalf because the leaders in the

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charismatic church would not and they

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participated in my opinion in coverup

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culture. But that can change. I'm doing

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this for the charismatic church. I love

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you guys. I believe in the gifts. I'll

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tell you more about that in a second.

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But buckle up because we're going to go

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deep into the rabbit hole and you need

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to hear the details because what happens

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is when someone like Sean is exposed,

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everybody just washes their hands of it

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and acts like they had no part in it.

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And that's not true. And if we don't

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show the connections, then we can't fix

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the problems. So, I've gathered the

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evidence that shows how coverup culture

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handled it in the in the charismatic

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church. Uh not only Shambles, but many,

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many other situations. And the elites

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all knew about it. They knew about

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Shambles. The elites did. And they did

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nothing as far as warning their people.

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They left their people in the dark.

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People who had been prophesied to,

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people who had been abused, they just

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left them alone or in the dark. This is

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going to be a long video. There will be

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timestamps down below to try to help you

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navigate things because it will just get

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crazier and crazier. I will continue to

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unpack different scenarios, another

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witness, a different situation, tying it

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into another leader. This is just the

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way it's going to be. I hate this video.

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I hope you hate it, too. This is all

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lame and terrible, and this is not my

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normal ministry stuff. I don't plan on

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continuing doing this forever. I just

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want to help the situation and then move

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on to back to Bible studies. That's my

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plan. So this is the story of lying in

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the name of God, of abusing the people

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of God, of doineering,

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sexual harassment from Shambles, uh, and

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not only the failure of respected

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leaders to warn and protect their own

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people, their followers from Shambols

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while they had previously propped him up

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as a prophet to them, but the fact that

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their system of leadership inside, not

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the entire, not every charismatic, most

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of them would would would be appalled by

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the things I'm about to share with you,

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but there is a system amongst the elites

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that is dangerous and their system of

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leadership. It it in a culture of

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coverup. It not only makes it so that

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they can't deal with someone like Shawn

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Bols, a predator in their midst, but it

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actually creates them in the first

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place. It raises them up. They have a

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system of revival culture and a way of

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handling prophecy that I believe creates

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men like this over and over again. And

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it's going to keep happening over and

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over again. So, I'm hoping to bring

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positive reform into the charismatic

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church. You may not agree with

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everything I share in this video. Those

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of you who are charismatics, especially

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leaders watching this, um, fine, but

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glean what you can, find what you can

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that is beneficial to you. And please

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consider how to stop this stuff from

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happening again inside your own

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fellowships and to your own people

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because it's not worth revival culture

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to victimize your own people and put

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them in front of fake prophets and tell

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them about fake healings and all this

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other stuff. It has to stop and it has

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to stop now. So, I think this video will

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help that. I do believe it. That's why

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I'm doing it for the benefit and

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blessings of the charismatic church. So,

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I'm exposing a whole bunch of corruption

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inside the charismatic church. It has to

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be done. Um, I've because I've done this

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series of videos now and I'll continue

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with the series for a while. Then I'll

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stop the series, get back to Bible

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studies, and I will be very happy to do

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that. Because of that though, there is

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going to be slander coming against me

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personally because, you know, shoot the

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messenger kind of thing. So, I just want

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to make a couple things really clear. I

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believe in the gifts. I'm not advocating

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against the use of the gifts of the

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spirit of prophecy or tongues or any of

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those things. Um, as long as they're

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done biblically and properly, which that

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I'm advocating for, and that does not

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often happen. Um, I I'm making no money

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from these videos, right? The what I

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mean here is that the the uh on YouTube,

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there's no monetization on these videos.

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All these charismatic, you know, coverup

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culture videos I'm making, there's zero

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monetization. So, every it can make a

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million views, it will not make me any

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money. The money doesn't go to me

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anyways. it goes to the ministry and it

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doesn't affect my paycheck. I don't get

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like a ratio raise when when there's

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more ad revenue that comes in. We have

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minimal ads because that you should on

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YouTube or else YouTube doesn't promote

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your content as much. Um, but this has

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to be done and I'm I'm not here to

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destroy the church. Uh, I' I'd actually

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like to see Sean repent and I'd be so so

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happy if any of the people I'm talking

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about repent and I will champion them

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being forgiven and them being seen as

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cleansed by the Lord if there's real

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repentance. But the problem is these

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guys fake it all the time. They fake

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repentance all the time. So we need we

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need proof here. I'm trying to follow

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what the Bible tells us to do. In 1

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Timothy 5:19-20, it says the first part

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that the charismatic church is already

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doing. It says, "Do not admit a charge

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against an elder." But they don't read

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the rest of it usually. It says, "Except

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on the evidence of two or three

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witnesses. As for those who persist in

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sin, distance yourself from them." No,

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that's not what it says. No. Pretend

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that you have no part in their in their

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ministry or you didn't raise them up.

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No, that's not what it says. It says,

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"Rebuke them in the presence of all so

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that the rest may stand in fear." That

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is this kind of rebuke. What I'm

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bringing right now about shambles, it's

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meant to cause all of the people, all of

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the leaders to go, I better I better

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walk right. I better not manipulate. I

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better not fake my prophecies. I better

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not exaggerate my my spiritual

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experiences. I better not do any of that

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stuff. And we need that kind of reform

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in the charismatic church big time.

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Okay, let's go down the rabbit hole.

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Sean BS.

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This is the guy Shawn BS. He's the guy

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that hears from God or pretends to hear

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from God no matter who it hurts. Sean

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doesn't come off like a highbrow prophet

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though. Um he was like the boy wonder.

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I'll tell tell you more about this. I'll

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tell you more about everything. It's all

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coming out today. Text messages. secret

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recording, multiple witnesses.

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It's all coming out. It's all coming

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out. I've been sitting on this stuff for

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a while now, and it's time. So, he

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doesn't come off like a highbrow

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prophet. Sean comes off like a normal

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dude. Uh, but he's one who's literally

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getting revelation from God on a

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continual basis. That's the thing. He's

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I'm just a normal guy, but man, he hears

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from God. He can tell you without ever

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meeting you. He will tell you your

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birthday, your street address, how many

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kids you have, the name of your pet,

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your where your mom lives, and other

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private information. He'll tell you

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about things that you've done recently

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or or hopes that you have in your heart.

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And and he says it's all coming from

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God. He's like, "I've never met you, but

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I'm but I know your number, but I know

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your name, but I the Lord showed me the

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name of your dog. It's Maverick. I know

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it." And you go and you think, "Wow,

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he's really speaking to me. God's

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speaking to me." So, he convinced

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through this what is ultimately a

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gimmick. He convinced countless people

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that he was a prophet. This was

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especially true when Bill Johnson

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platformed him at ISUsa. Now, this

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platforming was a big deal. Here, let me

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show it to you.

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At this event in 2016, this is where

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Bill Johnson put that's Bill Johnson on

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stage there with Shambles in front of

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countless people in the stadium and

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probably millions who saw it online.

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this event was was a big thing. He gets

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up there and he starts calling people

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out in we'll look at some videos of this

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later. Uh calling people out in the

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audience. He calls out a name. He he

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tells them their life story. He tells

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them God's calling them to be a

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missionary to this place and go here.

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And it was just an amazing amazing

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event. Look at how Bill introduced him

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because I want us to understand that

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Bill Johnson has responsibility for

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Shambles.

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>> But we're also weaving in the prophetic.

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And one of our dearest friends, one of

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our most trusted friends is Shawn BS.

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And the Lord has shown him several

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things.

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>> That's how we got introduced. Why? Cuz

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people know and trust Bill Johnson. Bill

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Johnson is one of the most respected

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leaders in the charismatic church right

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now. He is seen as a safe man, a man who

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is gentle, who is incredibly loving, who

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never says a bad word about anybody.

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This is his reputation. Like you will

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you'll never hear him say a bad word

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about a single human being in his entire

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life. Um, which of course makes it so

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that his congregation would think a

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video like what I'm doing is inherently

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wrong because Bill's such a nice guy.

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Um, so it's an interesting interesting

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method of self-p protection if you ask

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me. But Bill introduces him this way.

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Now, at the same time, it was not too

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long after this where Chris Valatin, his

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number two guy at Bethl, was texting one

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of their um, one of the victims of Shawn

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BS and he told him and showed him the

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following. Let me put on your screen.

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This was in January 9th of 2021. He

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says, "I told him, Shawn BS, he needs to

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clean up his mess before he has a

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relationship with any of our people.

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I've also told our entire team that they

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are not to not minister with Shawn or

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have him in any of their ministries.

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I've also had a conversation with Bethl

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Music Leadership team and told them

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about Shawn's situation. They've agreed

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to ban him from their ministry.

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I'm going to show you more of that text

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conversation later on in this video, but

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this is what has gone on. There has been

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the endorsement, then there was the

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distancing privately, but yet in 2023,

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Bill Johnson goes public again. And

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they've never at this point in time the

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timeline, they never made a public

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statement about Shambles being any kind

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of problem.

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But in 2023, Bill Johnson goes with

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Shambles on TBN and he says the

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following about Shawn.

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>> But Bill, you wrote the forward to this

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book. It's called Translating God,

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hearing God's voice for yourself and the

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word around world around you. But you

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wrote that this was one of the most

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exciting books that you had read. Why

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was that?

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>> Um well the book by itself is

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incredible. Knowing the life that backs

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it up adds a power to it because it's so

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it's so practical.

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It's it's what you dream of. It's like

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if if you could see if you could have a

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perfect relationship with the Lord and

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see its impact on humanity, that's what

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it would look like. I get excited

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knowing that we could actually raise up

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generations of people to do the same

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thing.

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We'll go all the way into the rabbit

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hole today, but Bill endorsing him like

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this, you will see very clearly, was an

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atrocious and evil act.

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Atrocious and evil.

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He set him up as a prophet to the world.

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He later had Chris Chris Valatin, you

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know, under his under his ultimate

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leadership calling even calling uh

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Sean's board going he needs to be pulled

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out of ministry. he cannot do any of any

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events with us. He can't be anywhere

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near our team. Um, but publicly they

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wouldn't say a word about him. And when

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they were asked about it, they made it

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sound like it was sort of nebulous and

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who knows what's really wrong with this

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guy. Then Bill goes and endorses him.

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Well, the book by itself is incredible.

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Knowing the life that backs it up adds a

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power to it. If you could have a perfect

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relationship with the Lord and see its

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impact on humanity, that's what it would

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look like.

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>> What we find out though is that victims

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of Shawn had reached out to Bethl

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leadership and asked them for help. And

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ultimately they decided not our problem.

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Um and here's the thing, pastors have to

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protect their people. If in my church

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somebody was targeting the flock there

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that that I'm part of, I would feel the

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obligation to protect them. Especially

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if you're the leader, you're the pastor.

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You're the supposed prophet. Kil Chris

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is supposed to be the prophet of Bethl.

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Yet he's not protecting his people. His

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reputation is one of prophetic

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integrity. It's not it's not real.

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Bill's reputation is one of safety. It's

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not real and it needs to be exposed

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because it's a broader problem that goes

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bigger than Bethl. Even though Bethl's

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really big, they're one of the most

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influential charismatic churches on the

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planet as far as other people taking

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their lead, learning their practices,

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and trying to copy them. Um, which I I

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find to be a hazardous path.

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So,

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in 2022,

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right, a year approximately, not not

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even quite a year, before Bill Johnson

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goes and publicly endorses Shawn BS

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again on TBN, I have a secretly recorded

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conversation where Stacy Campbell,

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another one of the prophetesses in the

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charismatic movement, is giving a list

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of all the people in the leadership who

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know about Shawn and how dangerous Shawn

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is. BS is archery and totally dangerous.

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Patricia King who told Chay and who told

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Chris Valatin

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told these gross stories

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of

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sexual immorality

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of Shawn Bols.

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I know this from Chris's direct mouth.

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He said, "As far as I'm concerned, Sean

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Boltz is a deceiver and I will not have

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a back where I trust him."

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And so I'm concerned for you because I

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love you.

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>> Mhm.

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>> I'm giving you the warning that he's

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dangerous. His behavior is bad.

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He's been caught red-handed.

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He can be worthwhile and he's

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unrepentant.

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He's not only dangerous for the body of

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Christ that a lot of times the people

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that affiliate with him go down when

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they go down. Every single bit of

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information Sean prophesying, you can

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find it on page one.

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You can find the whole thing and there

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was nothing that Sean was prophesying

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that was that was from unknown

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revelation. It was only on. And so he

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sent me a document only 20 pages long.

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This is what Sean said. This is on the

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front page of their Facebook pages. This

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is on the second page. If you Google the

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person that their is their son that you

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find it, you know, I mean, it it just it

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was all there and it was highly

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intimidating in the order of law.

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>> I'm going to play that recording for you

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later. This is a very, very big deal

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because if they all knew and they

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wouldn't tell you guys,

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it uncovers something real about the

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fact that what else do they know? Who

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else do they know about? Cuz I'll tell

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you, I could give you a list of names of

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people who should be publicly called out

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and who when leaders knew didn't do it.

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They didn't do it with Todd Bentley when

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they should have done it. They didn't do

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it with Bob Hartley when they should

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have done it. They didn't properly do it

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with Paul Kaine or Mike Bickl or I could

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just keep going on or William Brandham

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if you want to go really back to people

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who died before I was born. You know,

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it's been going on for a long time.

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So, if Bill would endorse Shawn, who

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else would he endorse while overlooking

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serious issues? Who else would he put up

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as an incredible the life behind the

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book is is just it bears witness and all

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this kind of garbage which is which is

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not true.

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I have even spoken to some of the

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leaders in the movement and they told me

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one of in particular uh I won't give his

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name but a leader in the charismatic

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movement who told me Mike if we really

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start calling out all the guys that we

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know are doing like they're not just

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have sin issues I want to be gracious to

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leaders who have sin issues cuz we all

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do and so do I. Um but I mean people who

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are like they're defrauding the people

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of God. They're lying in the name of God

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because if we we were to call them all

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out it would it would devastate it would

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devastate our movement.

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will do it. Call them out. You have to.

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All of you have to do it. Stop making

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people who aren't even part of your

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movement do it. Do it yourselves. That

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will bring integrity back to your

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movement. This video though, today's

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video is dedicated ultimately to the

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victims of Shawn BS, the many victims of

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Shawn BS. I've talked to three different

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people who had uh marriages that they

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entered into because Shawn prophesied to

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them to get married, even though they

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say they don't do that sort of thing.

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Apparently happens a lot. Um and they

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were disasters. So they they got married

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because of a prophecy and it exploded in

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their in their faces, including one

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named Jubilee Dawn. Let's listen to her

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story now so you can get an idea of the

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people that I care about right now cuz I

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I for priority of who is more to be

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cared for, loved, and protected right

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now. It is not Shawn Bulls. It is

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Jubilee Dawn. So we're going to look

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into what Jubilee Dawn says here. This

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is going to be her story. It's it's it's

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in detail. She got married because

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Shambols. She believed in Shawn BS

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because of Bill Johnson and she almost

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was killed by her husband.

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That Shawn BS said God was giving her to

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that man.

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>> I'm going to tell you about how it

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directly impacted my life and almost

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killed me. In 2015, I was dating a man,

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let's call him Ted, and we had only been

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dating for about a month. So, this

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church conference happened and I am

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still getting to know this guy. He was

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10 years older than me. It's a long

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story, but essentially at this

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conference, my ex was called out by

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Shawn Bulls. And I'm going to play that

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clip for you now.

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>> When you hand me the phone last night,

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um I saw 50, but I know that 50 is

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Jubilee Year. There's something about

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God's giving you a Jubilee. What does

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that mean to you?

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>> Oh, your girlfriend's name is Jubilee.

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That's awesome. Well, God's giving you

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this girl.

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And when we ordered the food this

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morning, they the By the way,

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>> so he starts off by, you know, God's

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giving you a jewel. Well, I he always

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acts shocked. You're going to see this

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many times. He always likes to act

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surprised. I don't believe a single one

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of these prophecies came from God. I

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think he's been data mining for years

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and years and years and years. And you

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learned it from Paul Kaine and uh Bob

18:29

Jones and the other guys who did it

18:30

before him. And that's my theory. Now,

18:33

not everybody agrees with me. Not even

18:34

everybody I've talked to agrees with me

18:35

about this. But let me share with you

18:37

guys the evidence. Julie will give you

18:39

some reasons to think that this was all

18:41

made up. But imagine in the moment

18:43

you're you're just in the audience and

18:45

you hear this prophet, God's giving you

18:48

a jubilee. Oh, God's giving you that

18:51

girl. You hear this and then you tell

18:53

your girlfriend this. Of course she

18:55

marries you. Of course she thinks I can

18:57

never leave you. No matter if you

18:58

strangle me, I can never leave you.

19:01

>> This is a huge huge advertisement in the

19:03

midst of prophesying and it's a

19:05

prophetic advertisement that that tomato

19:06

pie cafe place is like level 10 awesome.

19:08

and we've been eating there for the

19:09

mornings and it's like they've been

19:10

bringing us food kindly enough and

19:12

they're amazing. But does she have

19:13

something to do with the Tomato Pie

19:14

Cafe? Does she she works? Okay. Right.

19:18

Jubilee from Tomato Pie Cafe.

19:20

>> So that is the clip and that is where he

19:21

said that God was giving him Jubilee.

19:23

Now in hindsight I know that where I

19:25

worked was on Facebook. The fact that we

19:27

were in a relationship was also on

19:29

Facebook and he had met my ex the day

19:31

before. So he was able to go home and

19:34

find all that information. It's hard to

19:35

put into words how highly esteemed this

19:37

man is in these religious circles. Bethl

19:40

being the main hub of these religious

19:42

circles and essentially you just kind of

19:44

believe that anything that this man says

19:47

is like the word of God because he was a

19:50

very esteemed prophet and had a stamp of

19:52

approval from Bethl. We ended up getting

19:54

married later that year and he

19:55

immediately turned abusive and I

19:58

suffered through about four years of

20:00

horrible physical, spiritual, mental

20:04

abuse and it was absolutely traumatic

20:06

and he ended up strangling me a couple

20:08

years into our marriage and I did not

20:11

leave this relationship because of what

20:13

Shawn Bull said. I thought that God

20:16

wanted me to be with this man and it was

20:20

mental anguish to unpack all of that.

20:22

Obviously, I've deconstructed a lot

20:24

since leaving Bethl. Um, but at the

20:27

time, I was still drinking the Kool-Aid

20:29

and thought that this prophet knew what

20:31

God's will was. So, it took the second

20:35

time that he strangled me for me to

20:37

finally leave. And even in leaving, I

20:39

was so tormented by this decision

20:42

because I didn't know if I was outside

20:44

of the will of God. He strangled me for

20:46

the last time in January 2020 and I

20:48

wasn't able to swallow without pain for

20:51

10 days. And it was a very, very scary

20:54

situation. Look up the statistics on

20:56

your likelihood of being unalived after

20:58

you have been strangled. I'm very lucky

21:00

to be alive.

21:01

>> Um, she's entirely correct here. So,

21:04

order of events, right? Bethl endorses

21:06

the guy. She's at Bethl. She's a

21:08

third-year student at the Bethl School

21:09

of Supernatural Ministry. You you're

21:11

fully committed when you're a thirdyear

21:12

student there. She's got a internship

21:14

with Georgian Banov, a guy who still

21:16

platform shambles even after uh

21:19

everybody knew. Everybody knew in the

21:21

well in the leaders, none of us knew,

21:24

right? On the elites, uh they knew. Um

21:28

and she hears this because of Bethl, she

21:31

believes this word. She gets strangled.

21:32

Now, I was a domestic violence

21:33

counselor, which means I've had some

21:35

some training in that area. And

21:37

strangulation is in in not only is it

21:40

inherently a murderous act. Um but it

21:43

can actually result in death even days

21:45

later because of the residual swelling

21:47

that happens after somebody is

21:48

strangled. It is incredibly scary and

21:51

dangerous and evil and murderous. And I

21:53

do have a video on divorce and remarage

21:55

for those who would like to look at it.

21:57

I think that from Jubilee's description,

21:59

she was justified in fleeing for her

22:01

life and leaving that man. That was

22:03

appropriate. What's crazy is that it was

22:06

2020 when she finally left, right?

22:09

But Bethl had information and evidence

22:13

about Shawn being a fraud in 2016.

22:16

Probably earlier, probably. Who knows?

22:18

Maybe 2008. I don't know. I just don't

22:20

know cuz they're not going to tell me. I

22:22

don't think they're honest about these

22:23

things. And I'll I'll give you reasons

22:24

to think this. I'm going to show some

22:26

what I would consider to be total

22:28

deception from Chris Valatin uh later

22:31

on.

22:34

And just so happened in 2020 is when

22:37

everything came out about Shawn, but it

22:40

came out behind the scenes and nobody

22:42

said a freaking word. Chris Valton is

22:44

one of the heads of Bethl and he is

22:46

known for his prophetic ministry and he

22:49

has done many conferences with Shawn BS.

22:52

So essentially it all came out in 2020

22:55

what he had been doing. Somebody had

22:57

come and presented a bunch of evidence

22:59

to Chris Falton and he agreed that it

23:03

was really bad and fishy and he was

23:04

fully convinced that Shawn was a fraud.

23:07

In 2020, they decided to silently

23:09

distance themselves from Shawn. So, they

23:11

started to take his books out of the

23:13

bookstore. They stopped doing

23:14

conferences with him, but they never

23:16

said a word to their congregation, which

23:19

is absolutely outrageous.

23:21

>> Well, she she's right here. She's

23:22

correct. That is outrageous. Um, but

23:25

Bethl knew before that. Uh, I think that

23:27

they knew. There's more that they knew

23:29

in 2020, it seems. Um, but they knew

23:32

before that about the prophecy stuff. It

23:34

was in 2016 stuff was even publicly

23:36

being put online. But nobody believed it

23:38

because the leaders didn't support it.

23:40

The leaders didn't actually back up and

23:42

go, "Hey, let's let's take a look at

23:43

this. Let's examine these things and let

23:45

No, they just let him continue." They

23:48

let him continue. And it seems as though

23:50

Bethl's actions and everybody's actions

23:52

since then have only been a reaction to

23:54

things going public in a way that is

23:56

meant to create damage control and

23:58

self-preservation. So that is the

24:01

opposite of protecting your people.

24:02

Sometimes ministries have to make

24:04

choices between protecting the leaders

24:06

and protecting those people who they

24:08

lead. And you always pick the people.

24:09

Jesus, he showed us how to lead. He laid

24:12

his life down for the sake of the sheep.

24:13

and we have to lay our lives down, even

24:15

our reputations down for the sake of the

24:17

people that we are tasked to protect and

24:20

to guard. Um, but they didn't do that.

24:23

They didn't want their reputations

24:25

damaged, it seems.

24:26

So, Jubilee story, just one of the many,

24:31

many people that Shawn has lied to, has

24:34

deceived, has manipulated, and has used

24:36

his words of knowledge h to to to trick

24:39

so many people who need to be warned

24:41

because he he as a supposed prophet, he

24:44

gave words to thousands upon thousands

24:46

upon thousands of people, life-changing

24:48

words. We'll I did a video already about

24:50

with Elijah Stevens where he talked

24:51

about his individual story. We went in

24:53

great detail of his story and how Bethl

24:55

misled him um and um it it caused him a

25:00

lot of harm uh PTSD. It caused him

25:03

marital issues. It caused him to lose uh

25:07

their basically their retirement. I

25:08

imagine what it would be like to lose

25:10

your retirement because you believe that

25:12

you're on a task from God that Shawn BS

25:14

told you to do and so you give you give

25:16

everything you have to it because you're

25:17

a genuine guy who really trusts the

25:19

Lord. But you were lied to. And when you

25:21

ask Bethl, "Was I lied to?" They dodge

25:24

you. And they know, but they don't want

25:26

to tell you.

25:27

That happened to him. How many people

25:29

does he represent, though?

25:38

Let's talk about BS's history. Okay,

25:39

this is the part of the video where

25:40

we're going to dive deep into the

25:43

history of Shawn BS. We'll show him

25:45

giving words of of of knowledge to

25:47

people. You'll get to see what that

25:48

experience looked like over and over

25:49

again. And I want to show you the people

25:52

that propped him up. I'm going to give

25:53

you the names, give you the the the

25:54

ministries that lifted him up, who all

25:57

then just went silent and distanced

25:58

themselves instead of protecting the

26:00

people, the people that they put this

26:01

false prophet in front of. Cuz you

26:03

better believe if I put a false prophet

26:04

on my my YouTube channel even, and then

26:07

found out he was fake, I wouldn't just

26:08

delete the video. I would have to put a

26:10

warning out for the sake of the people

26:11

who saw it. As much as that would be

26:13

embarrassing, that's that's what's

26:15

obvious and necessary. Okay, so Shawn

26:17

BS's history, the history of Shawn BS.

26:19

He grew up in signs and wonders circles.

26:21

He's been part of that movement and part

26:23

of that stuff for as long as we're aware

26:25

of. And he was connected to guys like

26:28

Bob Jones and Paul Kaine and Mike Bickl.

26:31

He was really connected to these guys.

26:33

They were all of them false prophets.

26:36

All of them, in my opinion, false

26:38

prophets. Now, some people say that the

26:39

jury is still out that, you know, best

26:42

case scenario, Bob Jones, Paul Kane, and

26:44

Mike Bickl were maybe there was some

26:46

true gifting that was there from God.

26:48

Best case scenario in one or two or even

26:50

three of those situations. But they all

26:52

used prophecy to sexually manipulate and

26:56

take advantage of people. All of them.

26:58

Bob Jones did this to two women I'll

27:00

tell you about later. Paul Kaine did it

27:02

to employees where he pushed homosexual

27:05

relationships onto employees and then

27:07

would blackmail them and stuff. Um, and

27:10

Mike Bickl did this to under even

27:12

underage women for decades. Recently

27:16

exposed Mike Bickl. Those are his

27:18

buddies. That's the circle he got raised

27:20

up in. He worked with Paul Kane. You

27:21

wonder what happened between him and

27:22

Paul Kaine. I think that's a fair

27:24

question to ask. Uh, Sean obviously

27:26

needs help, but he also has to be

27:28

stopped. Um, in 2013 though, Shambles

27:32

became like the guy. He's not just

27:35

another

27:37

Bobby Jones even. He's not another

27:38

Bickle. He's not another Paul Kane. He

27:40

is the new guy. He's the new kind of

27:42

prophecy guy, right? This this is next

27:44

level. Nobody has ever been as prolific

27:46

as Shawn BS is. And he became like the

27:49

wonder boy, the golden child of the

27:50

charismatic movement at the time. And

27:52

he's rising up that and it starts in

27:54

2013, right? Yep. There was a the

27:57

trigger point of 2016, the ISUsa now

27:59

event, but it started in 2013. And this

28:02

is the kind of stuff he was doing. Let

28:04

me let me just play for you some

28:05

examples.

28:07

>> Michelle. So I saw Michelle and I saw a

28:10

friend of mine from Singapore, Lim. Is

28:11

that somebody? Michelle Lim. Does that

28:13

make sense to anybody?

28:14

>> Are you Michelle Lim?

28:16

>> That's good. You're here. Thank you,

28:17

Jesus. Praise the Lord. Do you have a

28:19

September birthday by chance?

28:21

>> Yes, September 20th.

28:22

>> Ah, that's awesome.

28:27

As we're doing this, is there um I saw

28:30

the name Judah and I saw Judges Road. Is

28:32

there a Judah who lives on Judg's Road

28:34

or where you at? Judah. Okay, this is on

28:37

the Bethl YouTube channel. This is where

28:40

I got this from. They've been scrubbing

28:41

all their content about Shawn BS. Again,

28:43

they're deleting and distancing things

28:44

just recently cuz this is this stuff I

28:47

found after I started researching this

28:48

stuff uh early last year. So, yeah,

28:51

Judah on Judges Road, he does these

28:53

things. He finds out things about you

28:55

and then you feel amazed. Imagine you

28:56

were in the room. Like really imagine

28:57

it, guys. You're in the room and this

28:58

guy is pumped up as a prophet from Bethl

29:01

leadership and then he gets on stage and

29:03

he calls out your name, knows your

29:05

address, says that God has a message for

29:07

you.

29:10

Thousands and thousands of people he's

29:12

done this to. Is this your street you

29:14

live on?

29:17

>> This is awesome. Is it Is it somewhere

29:18

like Louisiana or Texas or something?

29:20

Texas. This is good. Only God. He knows

29:24

where you live. Wow.

29:27

>> Is April 15th something to you?

29:29

>> My birthday.

29:30

>> Your birthday.

29:32

>> Hear that?

29:32

>> You know?

29:33

>> See the sign behind him? Young saints.

29:35

He's doing this to children. Okay. He's

29:37

doing this to kids.

29:42

>> Judah, God knew you would be here with

29:44

your older brother. I see an older

29:45

brother. Maybe uh Leon or Ryan. Ryan.

29:48

>> Ryan.

29:49

>> I don't know if this makes sense for

29:50

you. Um, I saw Lewis and Clark July

29:53

26th. Does that make sense?

29:55

>> So Sean likes to take things he learns.

29:57

This is my belief. Well, I mean it's

29:58

pretty seems pretty obviously true. Sean

30:01

takes, you know, stuff he gets from

30:03

people online, whether it's their

30:04

address and he'll try to connect their

30:05

address to like a Bible verse or a psalm

30:08

or he'll take their last name or their

30:10

first name and he'll make a connection

30:11

into something else like abstract and

30:13

then he'll use that as the way of

30:15

prophetically saying, "Oh, I knew that

30:17

about you." So here he does it with

30:18

Louiswis and Clark. Her last name was

30:21

Clark. And um I felt like you got What's

30:23

July 26th? It's her birthday. Uh my

30:27

sister's birthday is in November, so I'm

30:28

thinking maybe November 27th. There was

30:30

something. That's your anniversary. I'm

30:32

glad you knew it. And uh Oh, she's from

30:36

St. Louis. Oh, that's really

30:37

interesting.

30:39

Louis and Clark. There she is. Is there

30:41

somebody

30:42

>> more kids stuff here in a second? Uh

30:44

now, you might be thinking already, some

30:45

of you in the audience are going like,

30:46

"Yeah, Mike, it's obvious this guy's

30:48

making stuff up. Oh, my sister's

30:50

birthday is in November, so November

30:52

26th or whatever date. It seems obvious

30:54

to you, but they've the people at Bethl

30:57

and other churches in the charismatic

30:59

movement sometimes have been

31:00

desensitized to discernment. Discernment

31:02

is the one thing you don't do because

31:03

discernment kills the momentum of our

31:05

prophetic movement. Discernment kills

31:08

our ability to have a revival culture.

31:11

And it's because I think that the unique

31:13

thing that Bethl and other some of the

31:15

other like flagship bigger charismatic

31:18

church movements some of the things that

31:20

they offer make that make them unique

31:23

that make them stand out amongst all the

31:24

other charismatics is like wow that's

31:26

the place where the Holy Spirit's moving

31:27

like it's I mean it moves in our church

31:29

but but but but over there he he's he's

31:32

powerfully moving in at Jesus I image

31:34

church or at uh at Bethl.

31:37

I think some of the reasons people

31:38

believe that is because they're just

31:39

faking stuff and they've they've smashed

31:42

down the discernment of their audience

31:44

so that they've been trained to be very

31:46

gullible and receptive and undiscerning.

31:49

Discernment needs to be brought back

31:51

into the charismatic church.

31:52

>> I think your name's Angelina, but you go

31:54

by like Lena. Where are you? Hey, you

31:56

guys are all excited. Just half of the

31:58

bird just gasped and was excited. I love

32:00

that. How old are you?

32:02

You're eight. How about um May 3rd? Does

32:05

that mean something to you? That's her

32:06

birthday. God knows.

32:08

>> Does that little girl matter to the

32:09

Bethl leadership?

32:11

Why didn't they tell everybody about how

32:15

Shawn used her? Blasphe God's name.

32:19

>> He knows when you've been born. I've

32:20

never seen you in my entire life that I

32:22

know of. Do you have two sisters? Is

32:24

there I saw um a friend of mine, her

32:26

name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on

32:28

a road. Does that mean something like

32:30

it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that

32:32

you?

32:33

>> Kelly Rhodess. God knew you'd be here. I

32:36

didn't, but God did. That's awesome. Hi,

32:38

Kelly Rhodess. And how you've been like

32:41

a good daughter to

32:43

>> So, this is an event called More Love

32:44

More Power in 2017. BS had already been

32:47

exposed. The guy trying to expose them

32:49

had been attacked by Paul Kaine and that

32:51

whole thing was shut down. The guy went

32:52

into like whole crisis situation in his

32:55

life because without the strength and

32:56

support of leaders, anybody who tries to

32:59

expose someone like this just gets beat

33:01

up. And that has happened too many

33:03

times.

33:04

Doris

33:06

and uh January 27th.

33:10

That's a day.

33:11

>> Her mom's name and her mom's address.

33:13

We'll come back to that one. Doris Rose.

33:15

That's one of the best examples of what

33:16

we can show how Shawn got his data. And

33:19

because of he made a big mistake on that

33:21

one. I'll show it later. Here's another

33:23

child that he's manipulating.

33:25

>> What's the sixth? Is that the birthday

33:27

is on the 6th? Yay. This is gone. Um

33:30

this is a really random question. Is

33:32

your mom or dad here? Raise your hand,

33:33

Mom. Is there something? This is I I

33:35

could ask you too, Maddie, but Pope's

33:37

head. Does that make sense? What is

33:39

that?

33:44

>> I saw the Pope's head. What is that? Oh,

33:46

it's where you used to live. I

33:50

Oh, wow. Is there a Yanni and a Ian?

33:55

Hello.

33:56

>> Hi.

33:57

>> I'm Yiani. My husband Yiani.

33:59

>> Hi, I'm Ian. Is there something about

34:01

like

34:02

>> Isn't it interesting how he'll get names

34:03

and he doesn't know how to pronounce

34:04

them? Almost like he was reading them

34:07

off of something like Facebook. We'll

34:11

talk more about this. There's a reason

34:12

why in 2013 that's when his prophetic

34:14

gift took off. I'm going to give you all

34:16

the whole story today. It's all kind of

34:18

going to come out here.

34:19

>> Um

34:21

it's either December 11th or May 11th.

34:24

Is it 11th or 12th? May 11th or 12th? Is

34:26

that

34:27

>> May 12th? my youngest son's birthday.

34:31

>> Oh, this is good. Do you guys have four

34:33

kids?

34:34

>> Yes.

34:35

>> Is that

34:37

Do you see how the crowd reacts?

34:39

Everybody's like, "Oh my gosh, God's

34:40

giving him these amazing words." Now,

34:42

it's easy from the perspective of me

34:44

introducing this guy as a fake prophet.

34:45

You're going to receive this differently

34:46

than than if I had gotten up and said,

34:48

"Guys, this is amazing. Look at this man

34:50

of God. The Lord's taking us all into

34:52

new levels of spiritual depth and pro

34:54

prosperity and prophecy and healings."

34:57

And Sean is a sample of what's to come.

34:59

If if if that was what I was doing, then

35:02

you heard this. You would have said woe

35:04

too. Mo at least a majority of people

35:05

would. I think what I'm saying here is

35:08

he could not have done it his own on his

35:10

own. He had to have been propped up by

35:12

these trusted charismatic leaders. And

35:14

when he was exposed, they just went

35:17

silent basically.

35:19

>> Is there is there anybody who It was

35:22

your birthday on my book release day,

35:23

which is June 13th. Where? Oh, you this

35:27

is awesome. Stand up, please. I like

35:29

you. Of the whole room, we have one of

35:31

you. Carl Tuttle was here earlier. He's

35:33

an old friend of mine from the vineyard.

35:35

And I heard Carl. Is that Is that

35:36

something to you?

35:37

>> It's my first name.

35:38

>> Your name? There we go.

35:39

>> Carl. Carl.

35:40

>> I believe you're married. Are you

35:41

married?

35:41

>> Yes.

35:42

>> Oh, she's here. Go ahead and stand up,

35:43

too. I love that. You guys are awesome.

35:45

Is it

35:46

>> now? Probably these are just sincere

35:48

Christians who love the Lord. They're

35:50

being manipulated. Uh

35:52

they're victims. Um, Sean should have

35:55

been stopped before he ever got to this

35:56

point where he could say this sort of

35:57

thing. I'll give you more reasons to

35:58

think that, but

36:01

my heart goes out to them. I I think

36:03

that the believers inside of Bethl and

36:06

inside of Jesus image, inside of Morning

36:09

Star and inside of IHOP, the various

36:12

churches, there's so many people

36:13

represented by them, as well as the

36:15

people that that these groups influence

36:16

around the world. I think that the

36:18

normal believers in the pews would

36:20

basically be on the same page as me if

36:22

they only knew what was going on behind

36:23

the scenes. And so this is for you guys.

36:27

Our name is her name start with an R.

36:29

>> My last name is Rugie.

36:30

>> It's interesting cuz I'm seeing behind

36:32

you a woman in heaven. I believe Carl

36:35

would be your mom.

36:36

>> She just passed away at 93. I was there

36:38

when she passed away in Chico.

36:40

>> Was December 25th significant to her?

36:43

>> Yes, that's her birthday.

36:45

>> Oh wow. And you're for Payton. Who's

36:48

Payton?

36:50

>> Payton is my uh granddaughter.

36:52

>> And then I deadended into Lincoln

36:54

Street. And I was at

36:56

>> Lincoln Street. And I don't know if 28

36:58

is part of the address, too. Does that

37:00

make sense?

37:02

>> Is this your house? Is it 28 like one or

37:04

28?

37:05

>> I just

37:07

told your address.

37:10

>> I want us to understand everywhere he

37:12

went, he's doing this. started in 2013.

37:15

It's in smaller settings, yes, it's in

37:17

bigger settings, yes, it takes off

37:18

later, but started in 2013. There's a

37:21

really important reason for that, and

37:23

it's connected to Facebook. And uh I

37:25

give all credit to Matthew Hartkey for

37:26

being the one who figured this out, but

37:28

I got to share it with you guys.

37:30

>> I I went to your house in the spirit for

37:32

a second.

37:33

>> Is there a a Nelson who has a birthday

37:37

October 28th and you're from Philly? Is

37:40

there a Danielle or Daniela from

37:43

Greenville with a December 5th birthday?

37:48

>> See, now we're into 2016. This is at the

37:50

Isusa Now event in 2016 and he is um

37:57

he is calling people out and everybody's

38:00

stunned. He was probably the highlight

38:01

of the entire event, this one guy. And

38:04

after this, there's a line out the door

38:06

to get to his church. He had a church

38:07

which he's no longer part of. Um I think

38:10

he might I don't know if he's still

38:11

getting paid from them or something but

38:12

he's not like there actually ministering

38:13

to people as far as I know. Um

38:16

Expressions Church in LA and every event

38:19

he goes to is packed out and he's hugely

38:21

in demand. It was after this moment.

38:23

This is it's supernatural. It's

38:24

supernatural is Sid Roth's very

38:27

significant and influential uh

38:29

charismatic ministry and he platforms

38:33

people. That's what he does. He

38:34

interviews people. He brings in a

38:35

prophet. He brings in a healer. He

38:36

brings in an apostle. He brings in a

38:38

dreamer. He helped platform uh Brian

38:40

Simmons and get the Passion translation

38:42

pushed out there. And he's it's always

38:43

salesreated. He brings people on and

38:45

they're always hawking their goods every

38:47

single time. And it's always a promise

38:48

that his audience will be taken into new

38:50

spiritual depths. It's it's a very

38:52

consistent routine. He interviewed Sean

38:54

back in 2016. Now it has been deleted.

38:58

Right. As of January 28th of 2025, a

39:01

year ago, it was deleted. But I found it

39:04

on the way back machine and we can learn

39:06

some interesting stuff from the things

39:08

that were said there. Let me move myself

39:10

a little bit out of the way. Okay. So in

39:14

this newsletter 2016 September again

39:17

this is when he takes off. Sean is not

39:19

only the guy who can speak from God and

39:21

hear from hear from God but he's the guy

39:23

who can train you to do it. This becomes

39:25

Sean's sticktick. Right? This is the

39:26

salesunnel is prophecy and then I get

39:29

the people who who I will train on how

39:31

they will do prophecy and then Sean

39:33

sells his training courses. So this is

39:35

his salesunnel. He still does it today.

39:37

He still does prophetic training

39:38

courses. He still sells them on his

39:39

site. So in this article, everyone can

39:42

hear God's voice. This is where Shawn BS

39:46

is going to tell them how they can hear

39:47

God's voice. Now in him telling them,

39:49

he's going to talk about how he got his

39:51

prophetic gift from the Lord. And so

39:53

let's look at that. He says, "I started

39:55

getting um let me see if I can

39:58

manipulate the where this is. Okay. Uh

40:00

so you can see where it was captured way

40:02

back machine, right? 2016. Um I started

40:05

to get birth dates and anniversary

40:07

dates. This is where he talks about his

40:10

upgrade where he went basically I'll say

40:12

he went from old methods of faking

40:13

prophecy that were more laborious and

40:15

you weren't able to get as much

40:16

information and that's what Paul Kane

40:18

would do. He went to new methods of

40:20

faking prophecy which was all about

40:21

social media. So, I've received many

40:23

upgrades to my prophetic ability to hear

40:25

and translate God to the world around

40:27

me. In 2013, I received one of these

40:30

upgrades. And with it, God showed me the

40:31

power of the word of knowledge. He wants

40:33

us to use his intimate knowledge of

40:35

people to demonstrate how he loves them.

40:37

I started to get birth dates and

40:39

anniversary dates of strangers,

40:41

grounding them in the knowledge of God

40:42

that know that God knows them and cares

40:45

about what they care about. I began to

40:47

hear where people went to school and the

40:49

types of careers they had, right? Almost

40:52

like it was information on their about

40:55

tab. I had visions of significant

40:57

moments in their lives when something

40:58

good happened and where God had been

41:00

present. Almost like he was scrolling

41:01

through people's photographs. These

41:03

prophetic words brought them into

41:04

connection, a connection or deeper

41:06

connection with God who loves them and

41:08

is with them. All right. What we're

41:09

going to see next is genuinely a little

41:11

bit creepy. Let me see if I can bring it

41:12

into the screen.

41:14

During this time, Randy Clark invited me

41:16

to visit his ministry school. He wanted

41:18

to go after the prophetic word of

41:20

knowledge gift specifically, not just

41:22

for words about healing, but also to

41:24

demonstrate God's love through prophecy.

41:27

He received the impartation from me and

41:30

then stepped out for nearly an hour,

41:32

getting street addresses, people's

41:33

children's names, and more. It was

41:35

uncomfortable for him, but so many

41:37

people were encouraged as they watched a

41:39

great leader try something new at great

41:41

risk. So this moment with Randy Clark,

41:47

Randy Clark is a significant name in the

41:49

charismatic movement. Um,

41:53

if you get your impartation from a

41:54

fraud,

41:56

I think your impartation was fraudulent.

41:59

So I think Randy Clark should come out

42:01

and talk about this. And why has he not

42:03

already? To my knowledge, he hasn't. If

42:04

he has, I'd like to know it. I'll share

42:05

it if he has on on social media so

42:07

people can see it. But um but yeah,

42:10

that's something else to consider is

42:11

there's this interweb of these different

42:12

guys. They're getting anointings from

42:14

each other, right? So Todd White's like,

42:16

"I got my anointing from Kenneth

42:17

Copeland, right?" And then someone else

42:18

goes, "I got mine from Todd White." And

42:20

they're all these are all fake

42:21

anointings. They're not that's not the

42:22

Holy Spirit. If you're anointed with

42:24

something spiritual, it's it's the wrong

42:26

spirit. So this stuff became the

42:27

cornerstone of Shawn's ministry. This

42:29

this became the whole deal, right? When

42:31

he was if he's teaching, if he's

42:33

lecturing, it's not that interesting to

42:35

people. Doesn't get that much attention.

42:36

But when he does the prophecy thing,

42:37

people come out in droves. And so he's

42:40

given prophecy to thousands of

42:42

individuals, hundreds of hundreds of

42:43

thousands of people in crowds. And he

42:45

begins training other people like he did

42:47

on the Sid Roth show on how they can

42:49

learn from God. That's what led to his

42:51

book that Bill Johnson endorsed and

42:53

several other people from their ministry

42:55

endorsed. And I'll read some of those

42:56

endorsements later on. So he's the guy

42:59

he's the guy who teaches people how to

43:01

hear from God in the charismatic

43:02

movement at this point. And

43:06

it was it was it was fake. It was fake.

43:09

He's fake.

43:11

It's fake.

43:13

And it's so sad because there's so many

43:14

believers. Let me show you this picture

43:15

again. There's so many believers right

43:18

here,

43:20

stunned as Shawn Bulls reads from his

43:22

cell phone fake words as Bill Johnson

43:25

endorses him and presents all these

43:26

people to him because of the trust

43:28

people have for for Bill.

43:31

Bill may be the most influential

43:33

charismatic in the English-speaking

43:34

world right now

43:37

and trusted amongst other leaders.

43:41

Bill Adusa again introduced Shawn as his

43:45

closest or most trusted friend. That was

43:47

that was the introduction. This is my

43:49

most trusted friend and he hears he

43:51

hears from God many things right at

43:52

Bethl reading. That's not the only

43:54

endorsement he got. Let's look at some

43:56

more of these endorsements. I had to go

43:57

get my jacket, put it on, warm up a bit.

44:00

Okay,

44:01

so we're going to talk about more of the

44:03

endorsements. Uh, I think that it's

44:04

important people realize how widely and

44:06

how strongly Shawn was endorsed because

44:08

I think that now a lot of individuals

44:10

are going to act like it was no big deal

44:12

or he wasn't considered like the wonder

44:14

boy of the charismatic church, the guy

44:16

who was going to guide us all into the

44:17

next stage of prophetic anointing so we

44:20

could be more profound than Pentecost or

44:22

the apostles ever were. That is actually

44:24

kind of the stuff people think. I would

44:27

like to now show you. Okay, there was

44:29

not only Bill, this is Sean at Bethl.

44:31

This was on Bethl's not only in their

44:33

audience, but on their on their bethl.tv

44:36

streaming service as well as YouTube and

44:37

wherever else they put it. And this is

44:40

how Terresa Deadman introduced Shawn BS

44:43

to the people of Bethl.

44:45

>> And this is an amazing time that we're

44:46

living in. Sean has so many testimonies

44:48

about the doors that are opening. And so

44:50

I want you to get on your feet and honor

44:52

one of the most prophetic creative

44:54

people I know on the planet. Sean, a

44:57

good friend of the house. He's amazing.

45:04

>> One of the most prophetic creative

45:06

people I know on the planet. She says,

45:09

"This is actually Terresa Deadmond's

45:11

clothing line. She sells prophetic

45:13

leggings." My fashion designs, I read

45:16

from her uh product page, "My fashion

45:18

designs embody the prophetic art they

45:20

are created from." So they're created

45:22

from pro she does this prophetic art and

45:23

then she puts them onto pants.

45:27

Wearing my art enhances your awareness

45:29

of God's presence and helps you become a

45:31

walking encounter of heaven's message to

45:33

those around you. Also known as

45:37

baloney sauce.

45:40

No, it doesn't do that. That's not how

45:42

it works. You don't put on these special

45:44

pants that are prints of artwork from

45:47

Terresa Deadmond and then it's going to

45:48

enhance your awareness of God's presence

45:50

and make you a walking encounter of

45:52

heaven's message to those around you.

45:54

>> You're just you're wearing yoga pants.

45:58

>> She is the one who introduces Shawn to

46:01

the people at Bethl and does so

46:06

with their leadership team, with their

46:09

people all aware of it. Look at this

46:10

room full of people.

46:14

This guy's getting on stage and he's

46:17

going to share words that he looked up

46:18

on Facebook. It's reasonable to think

46:21

that that's exactly what's going to

46:22

happen right right after this. Sean, one

46:25

of the most prophetic people on the

46:27

planet, she says. Now, this isn't a

46:28

movement that prides itself in having

46:31

lots and lots of people who prophesy.

46:34

So, yes, I'm just saying this is a big

46:35

deal, but it's not even remotely the

46:36

only one. Who else endorsed Sean?

46:40

This video is going to be Shawn on the

46:43

Sid Roth show. Okay, I showed you an

46:44

article that they pulled. Well, they've

46:46

pulled the show as well now, too.

46:47

Sidroth doesn't want he doesn't want any

46:49

connection to Shawn anymore because

46:50

Shawn is now Lepris, right? If if people

46:53

know how much you endorsed him, then you

46:55

know, maybe it'll make you look bad.

46:57

Well, it will. And you did and you do

46:58

look bad. Sid Roth, there's not a weird

47:00

wacko that he has not endorsed on his on

47:03

his uh show. Every charismatic should

47:06

agree with me on this. Everyone should.

47:09

>> Sid Roth says that Shawn Bols is the

47:11

most amazingly detailed prophet he has

47:13

ever known. He has ministered to

47:14

thousands from royalty to people on the

47:16

streets. Now he wants to share with you

47:18

the secrets he has learned concerning

47:19

the gift of prophecy and wants to

47:21

activate you to do the same as he does.

47:23

>> It's wonderful that Shawn hears from God

47:26

so clearly. I am excited that Shawn has

47:30

this gift. I impart every supernatural

47:33

spiritual gift I have that's

47:34

transferable right now over the

47:36

television to everybody in the studio

47:37

audience.

47:38

>> I reject it. Everything you have that's

47:41

transferable, Sean, is looking people's

47:43

information up on Facebook and lying to

47:45

them in God's name. That's transferable.

47:47

That's easily transferable. Anybody

47:48

could do that. It's very simple. Most

47:50

people just have integrity and wouldn't

47:51

do it.

47:53

Sid Roth endorsed him. Sid Roth sold his

47:55

stuff. Sid Roth always sells people's

47:57

stuff. It's always a salesunnel every

47:58

show he has. And

48:02

Shawn is endorsed. Now imagine you're

48:04

you believe in Sidroth. You trust this

48:06

man's discernment. You think he's

48:07

opening your eyes to see amazing things

48:09

God is doing. And then imagine him

48:12

saying nothing when he finds out who

48:14

Shambles really is. Well, that's what

48:16

happened. Marilyn Hickey, those who know

48:18

the Hickeys know that they go back quite

48:20

a ways and they've been pretty

48:21

significant and influential uh more than

48:23

the average bear inside the charismatic

48:25

movement. Even though now she's getting,

48:27

you know, she's pretty up in up in age.

48:29

But Sean goes on their show.

48:30

>> We have an amazing guest with us um

48:33

today.

48:33

>> We do. We have Shawn Boltz. And I tell

48:37

you, we really look forward to this

48:40

guest. We are so thrilled. Oh my

48:42

goodness. To have Sean Boltz with us

48:44

today.

48:44

>> Dude, you are the bomb.com. Holy cow.

48:48

>> And I love this book, Translating God by

48:51

Shawn Bolts.

48:52

>> Are you ready to be activated? For your

48:55

gift of $29 or more, we will send you

48:57

Translating God: Hearing God's Voice for

49:00

Yourself and the World Around You by

49:02

internationally known prophet Shawn BS.

49:05

>> We'll read some stuff out of that book

49:07

later on. So, he gets endorsed by the

49:09

Hickeys as well. Um, there's there's

49:11

other people, too. You you might be

49:12

surprised to know he was featured on 700

49:15

Club.

49:16

>> Welcome to the 700 Club.

49:18

>> Author and pastor Shawn BS is also a

49:21

podcast and TV host. Another topic near

49:23

to Shawn's heart. these days is hearing

49:25

God's voice in the marketplace.

49:27

>> So, what's Shawn's secret to hearing

49:29

God's voice? Take a look. Well, Sean

49:31

joins us now via Skype. Hi, Sean.

49:33

Welcome to the 700 Club.

49:35

>> I am so glad to be here. Thanks for

49:36

inviting me.

49:37

>> He was very glad to be there. Everyone's

49:40

learn Everyone's believing that I'm I'm

49:42

the guy. I'm the guy, man. And he made

49:44

lots of money off this uh three

49:47

something million dollar home that

49:49

actually I have evidence. I I won't put

49:52

it on screen here. Uh, I'm worried about

49:54

doxing stuff, but I have evidence of

49:55

Shawn having many several homes.

49:58

Anyways, he was also featured on Fox

50:01

News, believe it or not. He was on CBN,

50:04

believe it or not. So, let's look at the

50:05

CBN one.

50:07

>> He's a modern-day prophet that can tell

50:09

you your name, what street you live on,

50:12

all without you saying a word. We sit

50:14

down with Shawn BS to learn what he has

50:16

to say about President Trump and Kanye

50:19

West. Well, Shawn Bulls is a pioneer in

50:21

ministry, including the prophetic

50:23

movement as a pastor, author, producer,

50:25

and TV host with a prophetic gift. And

50:28

Sean, welcome back to the prayer link.

50:29

>> Hello, ladies. I'm so glad to be here.

50:31

It's such a privilege.

50:32

>> You know, with the locusts in Africa,

50:34

the Corona virus in China, wildfires in

50:36

Australia, and the current political

50:38

climate here in the US. Are these signs

50:40

of the end times? What has God spoken to

50:42

you about all of that that's going on

50:44

right now?

50:44

>> I think things are accelerating.

50:46

All of this attention he got even

50:48

brought him onto Fox News and the it

50:50

says Christian prophet Shambles Lord

50:52

showed me the end of Corona virus. A

50:54

word that a prophetic word he gave that

50:55

ended up being false. This is what a lot

50:57

of these guys do is I believe prophetic

50:59

speculation. They read news reports.

51:01

They try to get insiders. They figure

51:03

out what they think is going to happen

51:05

in the culture or with politics and then

51:06

they present it like a prophetic word.

51:08

Um it didn't work out so good this time.

51:10

He later was embarrassed about this and

51:12

we'll talk more about that. But yeah,

51:14

even Fox News is carrying this guy.

51:18

Wow. This is the rise of Shawn BS,

51:20

right? This is the part of the Star Wars

51:23

uh which whichever episode it was where

51:26

where the uh where Darth Cidius is is

51:30

taking control of the Senate, right?

51:31

That's that's what's happening right

51:33

here. He is taking control of the

51:35

Senate. He is engaging in becoming a

51:39

fixture of this is the guy. And so

51:42

they're like, "Tell us about Trump,

51:43

Sean. Tell us about Kanye. Tell us about

51:45

this and this and this and this." And

51:47

it's because of the endorsements of all

51:49

of these people that Shawn was able to

51:51

get such a foothold. So that so many

51:53

people believed him and just followed

51:55

his words even when it messed up their

51:57

lives. Some who I have witnesses and

51:59

I'll share. Others nobody even knows

52:02

their stories. Okay? They're finding out

52:03

for the first time as they watch this

52:05

video cuz it's still coming out. It's

52:06

still just coming out for a lot of

52:08

people because the leaders in the

52:09

charismatic movement won't call it out.

52:10

We appealed in my video with Elijah

52:12

Stevens. It was actually Elijah who was

52:14

close in and connected and part of Bethl

52:17

Church who appealed to the leaders.

52:18

Please verify if these things are true

52:20

about Shawn. Please call him out. Please

52:23

Chon, call him out. Please, those who

52:25

know about him, call him out. To my

52:27

knowledge, none of them have. Shawn has

52:30

to be kicked out of he has to be

52:32

excommunicated out of the body. That's

52:34

what has to happen. And that has to be a

52:35

public thing because he was so publicly

52:37

put up as a prophet. That's the only

52:39

righteous thing that can be done with

52:41

him right now. And let me remind you now

52:45

that Sean himself acknowledges that Bill

52:48

Johnson opened doors for him and other

52:50

charismatic leaders platformed him. I'm

52:52

not saying I didn't have incredible

52:53

people pour into me. I'm so grateful for

52:55

Bill and Benny Johnson and what they've

52:57

opened up for us in our life and Heidi

52:59

and Roland Baker.

53:00

There's people who recognize some things

53:02

in our lives and they helped Sher and I

53:04

over the years and even Paul and Denise

53:06

invited me year after year for over, you

53:07

know, 13 years. So, he understands that

53:11

these people were needed and they

53:13

propped him up and they opened doors for

53:14

him and they had him speak year after

53:16

year after year. And so, I'm just trying

53:18

to show you guys there was a

53:19

responsibility. There was a

53:20

responsibility to tell people. Now, let

53:21

me show you what happens when you don't

53:23

tell people. This is a very sad uh

53:26

unfortunate thing that I'm about to

53:28

share with you. But this is what

53:29

happened to one young lady who as far as

53:32

I know lost her faith and it was very

53:34

much connected to Shawn BS and not only

53:37

his fakery but the cover up of his

53:39

fakery by leaders who knew better. I

53:42

just type in Sean B's allegations and

53:46

all of this information starts coming up

53:49

of all these people that are proving

53:52

that he got he mined all of his

53:54

information from social media and

53:57

>> he would know who's who who would be in

53:59

the crowd when he

54:00

>> because you register for conferences.

54:02

>> They're paid conferences. You register.

54:04

Oh, so he would get the list of

54:07

attendees, mine information, and then

54:10

cold act like he was cold revealing

54:13

information.

54:13

>> Yeah. And it's like very much like a

54:15

cold like that. It's like tales time,

54:18

swindler's tricks, but like again, I

54:21

believe and I feel so dumb now, but I'm

54:23

like I was primed for that. There's no

54:26

way I could have not thought that that

54:27

was real.

54:29

>> I want you to remember that she said

54:30

that forever. I was primed for that. It

54:33

wasn't Shawn Bulls that primed her for

54:34

that. It was her overall charismatic

54:36

community that killed the gift of

54:38

discernment and really wanted to seek

54:41

revival to the point where they would

54:42

tolerate stuff that wasn't real. It

54:44

wasn't real. The toleration of the fake

54:48

is the undermining of the real. But the

54:50

charismatic church has grown to think of

54:52

it as hamburger helper. That it actually

54:54

assists us to tolerate a significant

54:56

amount of fakery. But actually what it

54:58

does is it creates shambles and it

55:00

creates situations like this young lady

55:01

right here who unfortunately I think

55:04

ended up leaving the faith or turning

55:06

from Christ. Um and I hope and pray that

55:09

that that that's only part of her story

55:10

in the long run. But you you can

55:12

understand where she comes from cuz if

55:14

that's what her experience that was

55:16

pretty crazy to to realize this.

55:18

>> I've seen a lot of fake but I've seen a

55:19

lot of real. The real's worth it. I will

55:22

allow the fake. I don't want the fake on

55:24

the platform because I I don't want to

55:25

promote the fake, but I'll allow the

55:26

fake in the room because I so believe in

55:28

the genuine. I've had people say that

55:29

over the years, you know, they said, you

55:30

know, you know, I've had students, you

55:32

know, some of this seems fake. I go, it

55:34

is. They go, what? I go, most of it's

55:37

fake. Go, what do you mean? I said, I've

55:39

been watching this 40 years. Most places

55:41

that I've been, the majority of the

55:42

manifestations are not caused by the

55:43

Holy Spirit. They go, really? But I

55:45

said, but the problem is it's not all

55:47

fake and the genuine is in our midst.

55:49

and I will allow a whole lot of

55:51

Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine

55:53

take place. I said, "I won't promote it,

55:54

but I will allow it because the genuine

55:57

is so important to the kingdom of God."

55:59

But that always throws off people if

56:00

they're young and new at this. They go,

56:01

"It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go, "Just,

56:03

you know, don't be so open-minded your

56:04

brains fall out. You can understand that

56:07

the real and the genuine and the fake

56:09

all exist together in one setting." And

56:10

it's that way everywhere. There's

56:12

nothing unique here. It's not any

56:13

different here than anywhere. It's that

56:14

way everywhere. I've I've been in

56:16

revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings

56:17

in many countries. It's the same. People

56:19

are people, folk are folk, no matter

56:21

who, no matter what, no matter where.

56:23

>> Now, when she talks about her dad, it's

56:26

even more revealing about what leaders

56:28

have to do with guys like Sean.

56:30

>> And so, this is the first time I'm

56:33

scared to death. I'm shaken cuz it's

56:35

like, you know, you know, do not mock

56:37

God's anointed or whatever, you know.

56:39

>> Yeah. They're they're also trained that

56:41

you you you don't ever look into even

56:45

research something negative about a

56:46

church leader or something like that.

56:48

Now, there's yes, the online is a world

56:50

of gossip and slander and personal

56:52

attacks that are not deserved. That's

56:54

true, but frauds are real. Abusers do do

56:57

exist and you can't have a rule that you

56:59

have these untouchable elites that have

57:01

no accountability.

57:03

>> Oh my gosh. I find it and I um got done

57:07

with that. I called my dad and I said,

57:08

"Hey, um,

57:11

did you hear about Shawn BS?"

57:14

And he said, "What did you hear?"

57:19

>> And so, for reference, this word that he

57:22

gave us caused a lot of division in our

57:24

family for years. It was a really um

57:29

caused some pro like big problems like

57:32

it was not good. Um, and we had held on

57:35

to it for a long time. How many families

57:38

can say that about Shawn BS?

57:40

He doesn't care about those people. In

57:42

reality, his through his actions, he

57:44

hates them. He hates the ones he's

57:46

smiling at that he's going, "Wow, oh,

57:48

God loves you. God sees you." He

57:50

despises them. That's what his actions

57:52

are saying is the actions of someone who

57:54

hates people. How many families like

57:56

hers?

57:58

And Sean is not the only one.

58:00

>> And so I said, "Did you hear that he is

58:05

a fraud?" and got all of his prophetic

58:08

words from social media.

58:12

And my dad just,

58:14

"Yep."

58:16

>> And I'm like, "Dad,

58:20

why

58:20

>> you knew?

58:21

>> Why didn't you tell me?" Like, "How?" I

58:24

said, "How long have you known?" And he

58:26

said, "Well, about two years."

58:31

And I'm like, "Dad,

58:34

like I said, why didn't you tell me

58:36

that?" And he said, "Well,

58:38

>> I just didn't think it would help you at

58:40

that time."

58:41

>> Which like at the time, like I wasn't

58:42

even like two years ago, like I wasn't

58:44

even really like struggling that I was

58:46

just like, "What?"

58:48

I believe that in the charismatic church

58:50

amongst these leaders, among guys like

58:51

Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, uh Rick

58:53

Joiner, uh Michael Koulianos, um I could

58:57

name other names. Um I believe that

59:00

amongst these leaders, Patricia King,

59:02

they know Sid Roth, um the Crouches, I

59:08

think that they know about all kinds of

59:10

guys who are fake. All kinds. If in fact

59:12

it isn't true of them as well. And I

59:16

think that their congregations would

59:17

make the same face this young lady is

59:18

making here and go, "You knew. You knew.

59:22

You knew." And if if everything came

59:24

out, it would be devastating. Which is

59:25

why the coverup culture so strong

59:27

because anybody who becomes an example,

59:29

it made an, you know, distance yourself

59:31

from him. Sure. But when you make an

59:32

example of the guy, when you call him

59:34

out publicly, you you make yourself

59:36

vulnerable and everybody else in the

59:37

movement vulnerable as far as not

59:39

everybody, but all the leaders who have

59:41

been faking for years because some of

59:42

their heroes are fakers. Paul Kane was a

59:44

faker. Bob Jones was a figure. Mike

59:46

Bickle was a figure. William Brandon was

59:47

a faker. And you go through and you

59:49

realize, oh my gosh, like were any of

59:52

these real? There's a book called God's

59:54

Generals that Bill Johnson has has

59:55

supported and recommended to people. And

59:58

it's it's full. I'm not I'm not saying

60:00

every name on the list, but there's a

60:01

bunch of names on the list of God's

60:02

generals who were just frauds, fakers,

60:05

bad guys.

60:07

It's systematic in the movement right

60:09

now. Now, not every charismatic is like

60:12

this. I want to make this very clear.

60:13

There are a lot of good, godly,

60:15

wonderful charismatics who operate in

60:16

the gifts of the spirit and who do

60:18

wonderful things. I'm trying to expose

60:21

the bad here for the sake of the good.

60:23

That's what we're trying to do. That is

60:25

is not as though whoever watching this,

60:27

you should just leave your charismatic

60:28

church. No, no, I'm not. I'm not

60:30

suggesting that. But you need to pull

60:32

the covers off and assess and say, "What

60:34

is going on here? Let's have purity.

60:36

Let's have integrity."

60:38

So, that girl seems she lost her faith.

60:40

Now, I'm going to give you an example of

60:41

one of the one of the best examples of

60:42

Sean making it up. Like, it's it's the

60:44

best example because it's like clear. It

60:46

seems pretty clear that he made this up

60:48

and you'll understand. Um, I'll walk you

60:51

through it.

60:58

Is there I saw a friend of mine, her

61:00

name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on

61:02

a road. Does that mean something like

61:03

it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that

61:05

you, Kelly Rhodess? God knew you'd be

61:08

here. I didn't, but God did. That's

61:11

awesome. Hi, Kelly Rhodess. I feel like,

61:13

Kelly, you're like one of those people,

61:14

those hidden figures. There's something

61:16

so special about you, but you've been

61:17

hidden in it. You're about to be

61:19

revealed. Like, I feel like your dues

61:20

about to be paid for how you've

61:22

supported and helped so many people and

61:23

how you've been a good daughter to

61:26

Doris. So, he's he's really going to

61:28

focus on the mom. He knows more

61:30

information about the mom than he does

61:31

about Kelly. So, he knows her name. He

61:34

knows her birthday. Um, this

61:38

I feel bad for the lady here. I consider

61:40

her my sister in Christ being

61:42

manipulated by this guy. It's

61:45

infuriating. Uh, I admit I as I see

61:48

this, as I watch it, I'm I'm angry at

61:51

Shawn BS personally. Um, very angry at

61:54

him. I'm trying to not sin in my anger.

61:55

I think the anger is appropriate,

61:58

but I'm angry also at those around him.

62:00

Again, this is at the More Love, More

62:01

Power event in 2017. Sean had already

62:03

been exposed. Um, at least the chance to

62:06

expose him was there because uh Jason

62:08

Smemedley had tried to blow the whistle

62:10

and instead he was attacked by Paul

62:11

Kaine, the fake prophet pervert who was

62:15

predatory towards young people uh young

62:17

men uh who Mike Mickle delivered to him.

62:19

It's the craziest stuff in the world

62:21

these things. And he was he still had a

62:24

place to even attack like in the

62:25

movement. He still had some kind of

62:26

influence to even be able to attack

62:27

somebody is crazy.

62:30

I blame the leaders, the current leaders

62:32

in the charismatic church for the last

62:34

few generations, the ones in particular

62:36

that I'm naming. Not all of them.

62:38

Absolutely not all of them. But I'll

62:40

tell you what, if there's good leaders

62:41

there, show yourselves to be good by

62:43

calling out the ones that you know. You

62:45

need to now listen in to the most

62:47

revealing moment probably of all of the

62:50

Shawn Bull's videos that I can show you

62:52

has to do with Doris Rhodess

62:55

and uh and how how she's like your best

62:59

friend and and and uh I feel like God

63:02

just saying that um everything that she

63:04

prayed for and is prayed for is is gonna

63:07

still come for the family. And I feel

63:09

like the Lord's saying you're going to

63:10

start to see the manifestation of what

63:12

you prayed for. you're going to start to

63:14

see the reality.

63:16

I wrote down January 27th.

63:20

That's her birthday. Um, is there is

63:23

there I saw Psalm 105 over your family

63:26

and read that later on. But did she or

63:29

you ever live on a 105 like slaughter

63:31

house or 105 something or does that make

63:33

sense?

63:34

>> For some reason, I saw the word

63:35

slaughterhouse, but it wasn't bad. Um,

63:40

I know it's a weird It's a weird I took

63:42

the risk cuz

63:44

>> he just tried to call out her address.

63:46

He got it wrong and now he's trying to

63:48

recover.

63:49

>> Everything else felt like it was, you

63:51

know, connected to God. But I just just,

63:54

you know, maybe maybe research that a

63:55

little bit if it's if if I miss that

63:57

part, it's not a big deal.

64:00

>> I just want to remind you guys it was

64:01

Sean Bulls's idea for us to research

64:03

that a little bit. And research it we

64:06

did. Actually, it was Matthew Hartkey

64:07

who researched this and uh I don't know

64:10

if anybody before him did or not. He's

64:11

the first I know of who researched this

64:13

and posted it online and he showed that

64:15

there is actually a Doris Rhodess who

64:18

lives on 105 Slaughterhouse who lives in

64:21

the same area as the other Doris Rose.

64:24

They're in the same area as this this

64:25

event and everything. Um or or where her

64:28

Facebook says she lives, excuse me. It's

64:30

just a different Doris Rose. There's

64:32

just more than one Tortois Rose in the

64:34

region who is similar and you know older

64:36

and all this kind of stuff. 105

64:38

Slaughterhouse.

64:40

That to me is an incredible smoking gun.

64:42

There is no way on earth that this guy

64:45

randomly got from the Lord a real

64:47

address of a real Doris Rhodess that was

64:50

the wrong Doris Rhodess.

64:58

This was just I This is I Googled this.

65:00

Okay, I googled this as well. This is a

65:02

screenshot I took. It's not just

65:03

something that was passed around because

65:04

I want to double check. I want to make

65:05

sure I share things that are accurate

65:06

and true. And if there's anything I get

65:08

wrong, I'm happy to publicly say, "I'm

65:11

so sorry I got this wrong and correct

65:12

it. Um I'm I only want to share the

65:14

things that I believe are true." And I'm

65:16

taking some risks to do this, right?

65:18

I've had to talk to lawyers and things

65:19

like that, but I'm like, "Guys, I'm

65:20

going to call this stuff out." And

65:21

there's no way to do it without risk to

65:23

myself. Um but uh but there is no way

65:28

for leaders to stand up and defend those

65:30

who are being targeted by bad guys

65:32

without taking some risks for yourself.

65:34

So we all need to to step into that

65:36

stuff. Anyway,

65:39

Charlotte Gore is the next one we're

65:40

going to talk about. Charlotte Gore. Um

65:42

okay, there there's a guy named Chris

65:43

Gore. He's really significant in Bethl

65:45

or was for many years. I don't know what

65:46

he's doing at the moment, but he was at

65:48

Bethl reading from 2006 for many many

65:51

years until at least recently. Maybe

65:52

he's still there. I don't know. He was

65:54

the director of their healing ministries

65:55

at Bethl. And his daughter was a very

65:58

well-known, very disabled young lady,

66:00

very well-loved and cared for. And Shawn

66:03

decided to take her and use her as an

66:05

example in one of his shtick grifting

66:09

fake prophecy things because everybody

66:12

is a tool to this man, it seems.

66:16

>> Is there a um a Charlotte?

66:19

>> Hold on. I wanna I want to show you the

66:20

beginning of that video again. Bethl TV

66:21

moments. This was hosted on Bethl's uh

66:26

Bethl's uh Facebook and YouTube and

66:29

wherever their Bethl.tv stuff is hosted

66:30

at. This is one of their videos and it

66:32

was still present. It was still live

66:35

until I started asking about it

66:37

privately. I reached out to Chris Gore

66:38

and asked him and all of a sudden now

66:40

the video has disappeared.

66:42

>> Is there a um a Charlotte with October

66:45

7th birthday? Does that make sense to

66:46

anybody?

66:47

>> Charlotte Gore just had a birthday.

66:49

>> Who would Charlotte Gore be? I don't

66:50

know. Okay, Chris Gore's daughter. Okay,

66:53

and Chris isn't here. Chris Gore, where

66:55

is the camera that I'm looking?

66:56

>> I want to show you a different angle

66:58

where my face is not blocking because I

67:00

want you to see that there's there's

67:01

Bill Johnson, there's Benny Johnson,

67:03

there's Danny Silk, probably other

67:04

leaders here as well. Um, all all there

67:07

in the room. Um,

67:11

this is this is of course at Bethl

67:14

and he's going to now

67:17

abuse the entire church. looking at. Hi

67:20

streaming audience, we love you. This is

67:22

a word for you. And Charlotte Gore, um,

67:24

I saw the Lord giving you a hope for

67:26

fullness and your life matters to God in

67:29

a major way. So there's a healing power

67:31

of his love for significance and then it

67:34

will follow with a full healing. The

67:35

Lord wants to bring a full healing

67:38

and your parents' prayers are working.

67:40

What What am I saying? You guys are

67:42

excited.

67:43

I don't know what y'all are.

67:47

He's clearly prophesying that she's

67:49

going to be fully healed, which would be

67:51

obviously the heart's desire of any

67:53

parent or of her for that matter. I'll

67:56

show you. She she's she's very very

67:57

disabled. I'll show you later. I don't

67:59

want to show her face. I I I don't want

68:01

to increase any of the negative stuff,

68:03

but we have to give the the examples.

68:05

These are the public examples. I was

68:06

able to find this. I was able to go

68:08

through scrubbing through his videos,

68:09

scrubbing through the videos Bethl has

68:10

put up of of him and going, "Where is he

68:13

prophesied? Can I confirm that I found

68:14

this online?" Um, and I found examples

68:17

of my own as well. So, this is one of

68:19

those. Um, I think I'm the I think I'm

68:21

the first to brought this one up. He's

68:23

doing this to Bethl leadership. Now, he

68:24

pretends he doesn't know Chris. You You

68:26

He's like, "Chris Gore, who's Oh, yeah.

68:28

Oh, yeah. I kind of am aware of him." He

68:30

knows who Chris is. He's been part of

68:31

Bethl for years at this point. He calls

68:33

it his mother church. He's He's close

68:36

with Bill Johnson. He's Come on, he

68:40

knows. But he has to pretend ignorance

68:41

to magnify his glory.

68:43

>> I'm really excited. So, tell me in

68:46

Oh, she's in a wheelchair. It's a very

68:47

disabled. God sees those prayers are

68:49

working and I know nothing about this

68:51

family. This is crazy. You know, I have

68:54

a real prayer in my heart just to be a

68:55

blessing to Bethl uh the church itself.

68:57

I feel like God wants to resolve some of

68:59

the long-term issues in Bethl. And now

69:02

listen, you've got to understand the the

69:03

the background of this. Bethl, I'm going

69:05

to play what he's going to say in a

69:06

second, but Bethl has for years been

69:09

been uh presenting a narrative that they

69:11

are on a trajectory of ever upward and

69:15

higher and better with miracles, with

69:18

healings, with financial prosperity, and

69:20

with prophecy and all of those things

69:22

are increasing over the years. Now,

69:24

they're not really increasing over the

69:25

years, but that's the narrative. They're

69:27

always increasing. They're always And

69:29

then Seawn shows up and he he's there

69:31

and he's like the guy with these extra

69:32

prophecies that nobody gets. So it's so

69:35

it's like he's the sort of the doorway

69:37

into that. That's the idea in the

69:38

movement. That's the idea. Um so this is

69:40

why I say revival culture can be

69:42

dangerous because it leaves you

69:43

vulnerable to the fakers because nobody

69:45

can have as many miracles as the guy

69:46

that's faking.

69:49

So he's going to now take this thing he

69:51

says about Charlotte Gore. You've been

69:52

praying for her to be healed for a long

69:53

long time. Well, now that healing, the

69:54

full healing is coming. And now he's

69:56

turning that that claim into a prophecy

69:58

about Bethl as a whole. you guys are

70:00

going to be entering into the realm that

70:01

you've been, you know, heading towards

70:03

and praying for and talking about where

70:05

you're going to get all the healings and

70:06

miracles and all this.

70:08

>> You know, I have a real prayer in my

70:09

heart just to be a blessing to Bethl,

70:11

uh, the church itself. I feel like God

70:12

wants to resolve some of the long-term

70:14

issues in Bethl. And I feel like this is

70:15

a picture of it like where he wants to

70:17

come in and resolve things that have

70:18

been prayed for to give a foundation of

70:20

faith. The things we're praying for

70:21

consistently that are always amongst us

70:23

that seem like they never get resolved

70:25

that God's going to start doing

70:26

something with those things. one. I feel

70:28

like prophet over Charlotte is an

70:30

example. I don't know the gores at all.

70:31

I don't think I don't know if I've ever

70:32

even talked to Chris Gorks over once.

70:33

So, I don't know anything about his

70:34

family, but I see three girls. And I

70:37

feel like this is a picture of the Lord

70:38

speaking into something because he's

70:40

going to start pulling in uh into the

70:42

full glory the things that have been the

70:44

most undone that are historic.

70:46

>> Pulling into full glory is a specific

70:48

phrase that has meaning uh in that group

70:51

>> undone. And I feel like this is one of

70:52

the pictures. So, we bless the situation

70:54

and ones like it to get resolved in this

70:56

season. in God. Wow. In Jesus name. Wow.

70:59

That's so good. Wow. There was some

71:01

holiness on that. Wow.

71:03

>> Chris needs to pat himself on the back

71:05

at the end of it. So, like I said, I

71:06

reached out to Chris Gore. Um I was

71:08

like, "Hey, can I talk to you about

71:09

this? I believe that he abused you and

71:11

your daughter and your family." And um I

71:13

I I guess I didn't grab the clip, but he

71:15

he also in the same clip, he mentions

71:16

their dog, Maverick. And the crowd goes

71:18

like they're shocked cuz they have a dog

71:20

named Maverick. And he's like, "Oh, wow.

71:21

Maverick. Yeah, okay. She has like a

71:23

Maverick little dog." And that was also

71:26

available online. So, let me show you

71:28

that this stuff was available online.

71:30

This is from uh Chris's website,

71:32

kingdomreleasers.org, or it was I had to

71:34

use the wayback machine to find this.

71:35

Uh, but in 2014, this was present, which

71:39

means that it would have been accessible

71:41

easily by uh by anybody who knew Chris's

71:45

name. You could find his site. It says

71:46

Chris graduated BSSM and is now working

71:48

at Bethl in a pastoral overseer role as

71:50

the director of healing ministries,

71:51

which he did, it seems, for many years.

71:54

on his Facebook page, which we have good

71:57

reason to think Shawn really likes

71:58

checking Facebook. It's not the only

71:59

thing he checks. Um Chris Gore had a

72:02

photo of his family with his three

72:05

daughters, his disabled daughter, and

72:08

their dog. And in the photo, it says,

72:10

"Our new member to our family has

72:12

arrived. Our dog Maverick."

72:14

Then he tags three other family members,

72:17

it seems, in this. This is something I

72:19

learned about Sean. Um, I scrubbed

72:20

through people's Facebook pages trying

72:22

to figure out like, was Shawn reading?

72:24

Let me go back to the date of this

72:25

event, look at their page, what was

72:27

being posted recently, and it looks to

72:29

me as though Shawn frequently wouldn't

72:32

read necessarily people's posts, like

72:34

weeks or months long posts, but rather

72:37

he would just click on photos and he

72:39

would scroll through their photos to

72:41

look for connections, individuals, and

72:42

events like a birthday, a funeral, the

72:45

the birth of a child, the death of a

72:47

child, and he would use those things in

72:48

his prophecy. So here the dog, the

72:51

child, everything is right there present

72:53

and it connects perfectly with what Sean

72:56

said. It was all publicly available.

72:58

Also, Chris Gore posted this word on his

73:01

page. Um, he was very excited by this

73:04

and he says, "I want to post an amazing

73:06

prophetic word where our daughter

73:08

Charlotte was called out by name and

73:10

birth date at the Open Heavens

73:12

Conference at Bethl. I really believe

73:14

this word is for more than just

73:16

Charlotte." Now he's echoing exactly

73:18

what Sean said, right? More than just

73:20

Charlotte. Um, but for the greater body

73:23

that have stood in faith for healing,

73:25

for long-term issues. I trust that you

73:27

are encouraged as you listen and receive

73:28

this word. And this connects well with

73:30

Bethl. Bethl has been saying, "We're

73:31

going to be the place where nobody

73:32

dies." Yes, they say that we're going to

73:34

be the place where nobody dies. They

73:35

joke no one's allowed to die. It was

73:36

actually Benny Johnson who joked that a

73:38

few years before she sadly passed from

73:40

cancer. Um,

73:43

so this connects very well with them. He

73:45

knows his target audience well. I think

73:48

as much as I have criticism for Bethl

73:50

leadership and I do think Chris, you

73:51

should have you should have blown the

73:52

whistle when you know you have enough

73:53

influence people would listen to you.

73:55

People who wouldn't listen to me in your

73:56

circle would listen to you. But you're

73:59

also a victim and my heart breaks for

74:00

you and for your daughter and your

74:02

family. And I'm so sorry that for who

74:05

however long after that you guys would

74:06

be going to church and people are asking

74:07

about her, checking in on her, praying

74:09

over her again and again and again and

74:11

again and again. And I if I was your

74:13

daughter, I'd be like that. I don't even

74:14

want to go to church. I I don't want to

74:17

be in an environment where everybody's

74:18

focused on me because of this fake

74:20

prophecy and everybody keeps hounding me

74:23

and harassing me. Ultimately, I wouldn't

74:25

even want to be there. I'd be like, "Can

74:27

we go somewhere else?" Um,

74:29

I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm

74:31

sorry that happened to her.

74:34

This is Charlotte Gore in 2024.

74:38

One of the more recent pictures I could

74:39

show you guys. Um, she's clearly still

74:42

disabled for those who are like, "But

74:43

maybe she did get healed." Dude, it's

74:45

been years and years. The original video

74:47

where the prophecy was there, the video,

74:49

not the event. The video was posted

74:51

October 15th, 2015. 2015. Um, this is

74:55

her 9 years later.

74:59

So, so Charlotte, that word wasn't from

75:02

the Lord. You didn't do anything wrong.

75:04

You didn't disappoint God. The people

75:06

praying for you didn't fail God in some

75:08

way. The man was just abusing others so

75:10

he could exalt himself and get glory and

75:12

money and and power. And it worked for a

75:15

good long while. And sadly, the

75:17

leadership in your own fellowship didn't

75:21

protect you from him.

75:25

And even when they found out, when they

75:26

definitely knew, they still didn't. Um,

75:29

so yeah, like I said, Bethl has pulled

75:31

that video. They didn't pull it when

75:32

Shawn was exposed publicly. They pulled

75:33

it when I asked privately about it.

75:36

That's the timeline as I understand it.

75:39

Let me talk now about usernames. Sean

75:41

likes to use usernames.

75:43

>> Never get usernames when I ask God for

75:45

new information I never get. Keep in

75:47

mind that he says he never gets

75:48

usernames. That's super important. Never

75:50

gets them. But imagine imagine if you

75:53

would. A prophet who doesn't know your

75:55

name, but he knows your Facebook

75:57

username. Terry Bishop 911. Terry

75:59

Bishop, you're working on the show and

76:00

we're getting you.

76:01

>> That is my uh username. Terry Bishop

76:03

911. The Lord says you live in a

76:05

pleasant place. What does that mean to

76:06

you?

76:07

>> I live on Pleasant Hill.

76:08

>> Come on.

76:09

>> Come on. That's on Sid Roth show. Uh

76:12

again, this is that's a pretty

76:13

significant thing to get invited on Sid

76:14

Roth. That's a door opener for you.

76:16

Churches will be calling you.

76:17

Conferences will be asking for you after

76:19

you get on the Sid Roth show. Here's

76:20

another one.

76:21

>> And I felt like he said even like

76:22

someone named Bubba cuz I saw Bubba Gump

76:25

Shrimp Company. Who is that? Who is

76:27

Bubba? Like who's Bubba?

76:30

Is this your Bubba?

76:36

>> Is that your real Is that your

76:38

>> Okay, I I enhanced the audio so you can

76:39

hear the guy a bit. I also put the text

76:40

on the screen. He's going to go, "Is

76:41

that your real name, Bubba?" Cuz he

76:43

doesn't know what the guy's real name

76:44

is. He just knows all he could see. This

76:46

is what it looks like. All he could see

76:47

was the guy's username online. He wasn't

76:50

sure if it was real. So, he goes ahead

76:51

and brings it up himself.

76:53

>> Your nickname, your family nickname.

76:54

>> My nickname is my Facebook.

76:56

>> That's so cute. That's so cute. I think

77:00

He goes on and on about it being cute. I

77:02

didn't keep playing it. That's so cute.

77:06

Chills. Something creepy about that.

77:08

Anyway, here's another one. Think this

77:10

is a username or something cuz it's a

77:13

person's name. So, excuse me if it is a

77:15

person's name. I'm sorry. L R I C K.

77:19

Babsel Rick.

77:22

>> Hold on. We're about to hear from her.

77:24

Babsel Rick. Again, Sean doesn't know

77:26

how to pronounce the names because he's

77:28

not hearing them. He is probably just

77:30

reading them off of the internet and he

77:32

goes, "I want to use this person, right?

77:34

They tagged they they checked in at the

77:36

event, something like that." Um, but I

77:39

uh I I don't know how to pronounce their

77:41

name and they didn't put their full real

77:43

name online. So, what did she say?

77:47

>> Rick.

77:48

>> Actually, it's Deborah Ellic, but my

77:50

husband calls me Babs. So, I

77:51

>> Babs

77:53

>> together here and I'm trying to figure

77:54

this out. never get usernames, but I ask

77:56

>> Deborah Ellerich, but my husband calls

77:59

me Babs.

78:01

Babs Ellich. He didn't even know there

78:04

was that was two different names. He

78:06

thought Babsel Babsel Rick was the name.

78:08

So, another example of him getting

78:10

usernames, uh, which I think in and of

78:12

itself is suspicious. Now, we put all

78:15

the suspicious things together, it's

78:17

it's definitive. I mean, there's there's

78:18

no reasonable doubt, no reasonable doubt

78:20

that this guy faked it. And there's and

78:22

I have a lot more to share. So, what I

78:24

want to do now though is play a video.

78:26

This is from a friend of mine named

78:27

Steven Kosar. Now, Steve Kosar has been

78:31

criticizing uh some of the craziness

78:33

that's gone on in the charismatic church

78:35

in particular for quite a while. And he

78:37

has a bad name because of it cuz your

78:39

name will get slandered if you do this

78:40

stuff. And um he tried to raise the

78:43

alarm about u about Shambles a long time

78:47

ago. And I want to play a significant

78:49

portion of of the video from him so that

78:51

you guys can see exactly what he was

78:54

talking about. I think this is pretty

78:56

significant. This is an awesome

78:58

analysis. And Steve's going to walk us

79:00

through some specific specific examples.

79:02

He'll put up something Sean claims uh

79:04

into the audience and then he'll show

79:05

how the thing that was claimed was

79:07

available publicly on social media. And

79:10

when you have this happening over and

79:11

over and over again, and you combine it

79:13

with one other element, Sean has

79:15

detailed specific facts about your past

79:18

and present that are available publicly

79:20

on on social media. And then combine

79:23

that with another fact. Sean has vague

79:26

vague generalities and prophecies for

79:28

you about your future. He might tell you

79:30

what to do with confidence, but he won't

79:32

tell you what will happen with great

79:33

confidence. generally speaking. Um,

79:36

sometimes he does, but it's not the kind

79:38

of details that he has about the past

79:39

and present. When you combine specific

79:42

public info with vague futuristic

79:44

prophecies, that's a huge red flag. When

79:47

you do it over and over and over again,

79:49

it's obvious that the guy's a faker.

79:51

Let's learn about Dennis. Dennis, who

79:53

was targeted, manipulated, and abused by

79:56

Shambols after Bethl had already had

79:59

opportunity to find out and correct this

80:02

man. And I'm looking for a dentist who

80:04

you're either from the Ukraine or your

80:06

parents were.

80:07

>> I just want to point out there's Rodney

80:08

Howard Brown on stage behind him, Daniel

80:10

Kinda and Heidi Baker.

80:12

>> And you moved to America and I think to

80:15

Washington State or Washington DC

80:19

>> and and Todd White and others. You'll

80:20

see.

80:21

>> Help me out here. Is there Dennis?

80:23

>> Every single thing that Shawn says comes

80:26

directly from the social media accounts

80:28

of Dennis. This is just a big trick.

80:34

So here Steve is showing uh the social

80:36

media page where Dennis talks about the

80:38

very things that um that Sean is

80:40

prophesying.

80:42

>> And you moved to America and I think to

80:45

Washington state or Washington DC

80:47

there's a dentist who your parents were

80:50

from the Ukraine. You moved into

80:52

America.

80:52

>> So the Facebook here shows that this

80:54

info is available.

80:55

>> Okay, help me out here. Is there a

80:56

dentist? We've only done this in

80:58

stadiums this big a few times. It's a

81:00

little hard.

81:01

>> So, my story goes that um my family

81:04

comes from a Ukrainian background. So,

81:06

my mom when she was about 16 years old.

81:10

Anybody who's listening on podcast, uh

81:12

this is a video that Dennis had on his

81:14

website, his own testimony video. Now,

81:16

keep in mind for the Isusa event, people

81:18

were doing check-ins on Facebook. We'll

81:20

talk about I'm coming back to Facebook.

81:22

As soon as we're done with Dennis, we

81:23

will come back to Facebook and I'll

81:24

reveal the thing that is very relevant

81:26

there. came into the United States and

81:29

my dad around not too long after that

81:31

did as well. They didn't know each other

81:33

and they came and they they got married

81:35

in the United States and uh I was a

81:37

second son born into the family. We've

81:39

only done this in stadiums this big a

81:41

few times. It's a little hard. We have

81:43

somebody we thank God thank you Dennis

81:46

for listening to God and showing up. Is

81:49

there a screen I can see or I can't even

81:51

see a screen I guess. Here let me walk

81:53

way out here and almost fall off the

81:54

stage. This is good. Dennis, YOU'RE

81:56

HERE.

82:02

GOOD. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE him in

82:04

just a second. You'll see Dennis and um

82:06

he's there surrounded. Oh, I guess he's

82:08

on screen. There you go. Right there.

82:09

Right with his arms up, facing and

82:11

smiling, surrounded by people wearing

82:13

similar shirts.

82:14

>> I can see a little bit. Dennis, the

82:17

Lord, the Lord himself

82:20

has been walking with you since you were

82:22

a little boy.

82:23

>> We were raised in a um Islamic

82:25

Pentecostal background. So my whole life

82:28

um I heard about Jesus. We we went a

82:30

church. It was something that was always

82:32

natural.

82:32

>> Has been walking with you since you were

82:34

a little boy and you had a hard time

82:36

there in the middle because of some of

82:38

the things that happened.

82:39

>> And I moved with my my mom and my

82:41

siblings to the state of Washington. And

82:43

I was in 8th grade at this time, moved

82:45

partially throughout the middle of the

82:47

school year. And uh I went through a lot

82:49

of hazing. There was a lot of bullying

82:51

and rejection during that time of my

82:52

life. and and begin to um start getting

82:55

into fights and um started getting

82:58

experimenting with drugs and and smoking

83:00

and and all those sorts of things. And

83:03

not too far down the road at the age of

83:05

15, I ended up getting arrested and uh

83:08

sitting

83:09

good amount of time in uh in a juvenile

83:12

system

83:12

>> and you had a hard time there in the

83:14

middle because of some of the things

83:15

that happened.

83:17

>> So again, this stuff is available on his

83:19

website. You can find Dennis because he

83:21

it seems checked into the Isusa now

83:23

event. He's uh using the hashtag like

83:26

Isusa now or 16 2016 or something like

83:29

that and it's all available there. I

83:32

it's not hard to think that before this

83:34

event Sean is sitting there in his hotel

83:36

room or wherever on his smartphone uh

83:39

taking some notes from the from the

83:41

things that he sees. Someone saying

83:43

can't wait for the next day at the ISUsa

83:45

now event. And then Sean's searching and

83:47

looking at and I'll show you in a

83:49

second. We'll get to the Facebook in a

83:51

second. So, it's not a coincidence. All

83:54

these things are too much to be a

83:56

coincidence. Okay. Sean's a faker. And

83:58

I'll have more witness testimony from

83:59

people who used to work with him, work

84:01

for him, and former employees and others

84:03

that will be adding to this to tell the

84:05

whole story. The whole story today. And

84:08

you had a hard time there in the middle

84:09

because of some of the things that

84:10

happened. And you had a hard time there

84:12

in the middle because of some of the

84:14

things that happened. and your family,

84:16

but it's going to give you the power

84:17

over divorce.

84:18

>> At about 13, my my parents start going

84:22

through a divorce

84:22

>> and broken families and adoption and

84:25

foster care. And the Lord is saying he's

84:28

raising you up that there's something

84:30

you're called to build of an awakening

84:33

movement, an awakening movement.

84:35

>> So on the screen just there, Steve Kosar

84:37

put the website that this guy's website

84:40

is awakening generation. And so Sean

84:42

weaves that into his prophecy. So the

84:44

guy's thinking like, "Wow, God really

84:45

sees me. He knows me. I'm on the right

84:47

track. He wants me to do this." This is

84:49

the moment where most likely Dennis is

84:50

thinking, "I know for sure what my

84:52

life's mission will be. Maybe I've

84:54

struggled. Maybe I've doubted it. Maybe

84:55

I've wondered if it would work. Now I

84:57

know for sure this is my life's mission.

84:59

I will do everything that Sean just said

85:01

I should do."

85:03

SOMETHING ON the East Coast. I THINK

85:05

YOU'RE ON THE WEST COAST, but you're

85:06

going to be on the East Coast.

85:09

Apparently, it's happening

85:11

>> right from Tacoma, Washington. lives in

85:14

Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania,

85:16

>> the East Coast. And it

85:18

>> that that's what his Facebook says.

85:19

>> See, like um um Pennsylvania,

85:22

Pennsylvania. And God IS SAYING HE'S

85:24

AWAKENING SOMETHING IN PENNSYLVANIA AND

85:26

HE'S CALLING YOU TO LEAD a movement. A

85:30

movement.

85:32

Steve writes on the screen here, "This

85:34

poor guy's getting scammed." 100% true.

85:36

I feel bad for Dennis. Dennis, uh in

85:38

fact, it may be that you what you were

85:40

already doing is what the Lord would

85:41

have you do. that may well be um but if

85:45

you have been fundraising based upon

85:47

upon this word from shambles you have to

85:48

stop and that doesn't mean that your

85:51

ministry is invalid or that your calling

85:53

is can't be in place but you need to

85:55

disregard this and know that many many

85:57

many other people experienced the same

85:58

thing from Shawn learn from it grow from

86:01

it move on if you need counseling Dennis

86:03

reach out to my ministry we will no

86:04

strings attached we will pay for you to

86:06

get some counseling from some reliable

86:08

trustworthy people who help people

86:10

recover from spiritual abuse

86:17

MY DENNIS, THERE YOU ARE.

86:20

And Dennis, I'll tell you this. I have

86:21

to face you and face you two ways. I

86:23

don't know how to do this, but I'm

86:24

telling you, your your your heritage in

86:27

Eastern Europe.

86:28

>> My family comes from a Ukrainian

86:31

background.

86:31

>> God is going to send you not only to

86:33

America, but he's going to send you to

86:36

North America. He's going to send you to

86:37

South America, but he's going to

86:39

commission you. not just send you but

86:41

commission you over the Ukraine and

86:43

Eastern Europe and something's gonna

86:45

happen like you can't even dream.

86:46

>> So yeah, on the screen more information

86:48

from social media that confirms that

86:50

Sean could easily have just data mined

86:52

every single thing.

86:53

>> Dream up.

86:54

>> Something's going to happen like you

86:55

can't even dream up. Really? This is

86:58

supposed to be God talking. A God who

87:01

apparently can't even be specific.

87:03

>> He's putting you right now on the

87:04

highest lampstand that you could shine

87:06

from. And it's your time, brother. It's

87:08

your time.

87:11

just about a year.

87:12

>> Okay. Now, now he's going to get into a

87:14

couple other things that I thought would

87:15

be important to just throw in here. Um

87:18

Sean's uh more notable false prophecies

87:22

uh Corona virus and Trump.

87:24

>> After this send event where we just saw

87:26

him using his smartphone, he made this

87:29

ridiculous pronouncement from God that

87:30

the Corona virus was about to end.

87:32

Everything was going to be okay. Even

87:35

now, several vaccines are coming out.

87:37

This was in February of 2020.

87:40

He um made a big deal out of this. Fox

87:42

News who some or some gullible person at

87:45

Fox News actually ran with this story.

87:46

And here he is on the String Report

87:48

being interviewed by Steven Strang, the

87:50

publisher for uh Charisma.

87:54

>> Uh the String Report and Steven String

87:56

did damage control for Benny Hinn after

87:58

I exposed him. And um

88:02

it was uh

88:05

it was it was it was bad. It was bad.

88:07

Um, I actually did an interview with

88:09

Charisma and somebody inside, the guy

88:12

who interviewed me was fine, but there

88:14

was somebody else who was in his ear

88:16

trying to get him to lay a trap for me

88:18

by asking me a a loaded question about

88:19

Benny Hinn. Soon as I answered it, they

88:22

put articles out on multiple news

88:23

websites to try to attack my character.

88:25

This is just what really happened. Okay,

88:27

there's the coverup culture is a real

88:29

thing. Millions won't die. The economy

88:32

will surge. This was in March of 2020.

88:35

Also in 2020, he made the prediction

88:37

that Trump was going to win his second

88:39

term just like all the other false

88:40

prophets. Then he apologized for it and

88:42

said, "Uh, hey, you know, I'm just

88:44

learning. I'm taking

88:45

>> uh just for anybody who's like, well, I

88:46

think he did win in that initial 2020

88:48

election actually." So that's not

88:52

relevant to the point we're making here.

88:53

So he said Trump would have two

88:55

consecutive terms that in in 2020 he

88:57

would be the president for the next four

88:59

years in office, right? And that didn't

89:01

happen. And so whether you thought the

89:03

election was stolen or not is not

89:04

relevant to this particular issue. He

89:06

said it would happen and it didn't. So

89:07

he was wrong um about a big prophecy.

89:10

There was so many of the guys that were

89:12

wrong about Trump that year that it was

89:14

it was like the Lord was exposing the

89:16

fake pro prophetic in the charismatic

89:18

movement. Sadly, it didn't seem to have

89:21

made that much of a difference yet.

89:23

>> Risks. I'm just trying this thing out.

89:25

That's not how prophets work in the

89:27

Bible. It was actually at the same event

89:28

that Shawn prophesied over Daniel Kinda.

89:31

Uh this is a video that's still up on

89:33

YouTube called Shawn BS prophesying over

89:35

Daniel Kinda at the sin 2019. Here

89:38

you've got uh Bill Johnson, Lou Angel,

89:40

you've got Todd White, you have Daniel

89:42

Kinda, you got Michael Koulanos, you

89:44

have a bunch of different people here on

89:45

stage. Um this is big. This is 2019 now.

89:48

They Bethl already had information 2015,

89:51

2016, 2017. They still put them up and

89:54

did this. And the thing is for someone

89:56

like Daniel Kinda to have this moment

89:58

where BS calls him out and he's like,

89:59

"God's giving you a special upgrade to

90:01

your anointing and d and you don't want

90:04

this guy to be exposed potentially

90:06

because it makes it makes you look like

90:09

there's something not not right because

90:12

you're like getting anointings from

90:14

these guys." And so there can be this

90:15

sort of mutual dependency where these

90:18

guys give each other prophetic words and

90:20

then it's hard for them to expose one

90:21

another.

90:22

>> So where's Daniel? Janet Flynn, come up

90:24

here real fast, brother. But I will say

90:26

this. I felt like God I I kept seeing it

90:28

over and over and over, and I felt like

90:29

I was supposed to do it in front of

90:30

everybody because I feel like you

90:31

represent someone who's having a fresh

90:34

commissioning from God. Behold, I do a

90:36

new thing through you. And it's going to

90:38

involve properties all over the world

90:40

that will be disciplehip places. And I'm

90:43

telling you, the roots of what you've

90:45

inspired will now go deeply in the lands

90:47

because there's a property anointing

90:49

along with a ministry of evangelism and

90:51

crusades, a property anointing. Okay, so

90:54

now we come to 2013. Why 2013? Why is

90:58

that the time when his prophetic gift

91:00

took off when all of a sudden he's not

91:02

just normal prophetic grifting like Paul

91:04

Kaine would, he's next level prophetic

91:07

grifting like Shawn BS does. Um it's the

91:09

same time as Facebook introduced

91:12

remember social media is not that old

91:13

really. Facebook introduced a new

91:15

feature called graph search. It's get it

91:18

gets put in place the beta of it is

91:20

announced January 15th 2013 and now you

91:23

can search you can check hashtags and

91:26

you can search for people's names. You

91:28

can connect relationships. Before you

91:30

would go on Facebook and just sort of

91:31

hope it connected you to people you know

91:35

that were in your area or that you you

91:36

know also went to the same school as you

91:38

or something. He just would go and hope

91:39

it would make a connection. Now you can

91:41

search. That's what happened in 2013.

91:43

When he says to Sid Roth in the article,

91:46

he says on Sid Roth's program that it

91:48

was 2013 get he got his prophetic

91:50

upgrade.

91:52

That was just the year that Facebook

91:53

became searchable. That's all it was. It

91:56

was so obvious. That's why Steve Kosar

91:58

knew it. That's why Matthew Hartkey knew

92:00

it. In 2021, he posted on X a bunch of

92:03

evidence about this. And that that's why

92:05

even in 2017 you even had public

92:08

articles. Do you guys I this will this

92:09

will surprise you but here's a public

92:11

article that was available in 2017.

92:15

Let me put it on your screen. Shawn BS

92:19

exposing a fraudulent charismatic

92:21

prophet by Stuart James Felker May 17th

92:24

at 2017 last time it was updated. It

92:28

talks about the ISUsa street event the

92:29

big ISUsa street event. It goes through

92:32

the specific issues of how this is known

92:33

as hot reading and then there's cold

92:36

reading and what who ultimately Sean

92:38

did. They got videos of it. They talk

92:40

about it in detail. The stuff was all

92:42

there. The evidence was right there. Why

92:44

did nobody listen when this article came

92:46

out? I think the answer is easy because

92:48

it is the the people don't have the

92:51

power to hold leaders accountable in the

92:53

movement. It would only matter if a

92:55

fellow leader would hold him

92:56

accountable. That's the only time it

92:57

would matter. You can check out this

92:58

article if you want. I give you the name

92:59

of it. it would be easy to find. Again,

93:02

it was even earlier than that. April of

93:04

2016, I've seen screenshots of Facebook

93:06

conversations people are having April of

93:08

2016 about Shambles data mining people's

93:11

information off the internet. People had

93:12

the info. They just let it happen.

93:14

Anyways, the leaders didn't stop it.

93:16

There was one guy who tried to call it

93:18

out. His name is Jason Smmedley, and he

93:21

started recording back in 2015,

93:23

recording uh things that Shawn was

93:25

saying and then comparing them with

93:26

social media. He received a lot of

93:28

criticism from the people around him

93:30

until finally Paul Kaine of all people

93:32

reached out to Jason Smmeley and gave

93:34

him a hard time. Um I think I have a

93:36

clip. I guess I'll share that with you

93:37

guys a bit later. We'll talk about Jason

93:38

Smmedley more uh when the time comes. So

93:42

people knew they had the info. They

93:44

didn't they didn't do anything about it.

93:46

And I honestly don't think that that was

93:48

the first time it came up was 2015. I

93:50

don't think that's the first time people

93:51

realized something was wrong with Shawn

93:52

or the grift was going on. I honestly

93:55

believe that Bethl knows there's a whole

93:56

bunch of fake stuff going on and they're

93:58

just okay with it. There are reasons why

94:00

they think it's okay, it's acceptable,

94:01

it's it's serving some greater good or

94:04

it's serving some other not greater

94:06

benefit. I don't know what the reasons

94:08

are, but I I do think that they're aware

94:10

of this stuff. It was actually 2006

94:13

when uh Bill said of according to a

94:16

witness of mine said that Shawn was his

94:18

spiritual son. His spiritual son. Now

94:20

later they'll claim they have no

94:21

authority over Shawn, but Shawn was

94:24

going around according to a former

94:25

employee saying that Bethl was quote his

94:27

mother church,

94:29

his mother church. Now when time came to

94:31

hold him accountable, you'll see the

94:33

text messages later. Chris Valatin goes,

94:35

"Well, we have no authority over him, so

94:37

you know, oh well." And then Shayon's

94:39

like, "Ah, I don't really have authority

94:40

over him." Patricia King's like, "I

94:41

don't really have authority over him."

94:42

And every nobody's around to help when

94:45

the time comes. But all this to say,

94:47

Bill Johnson for sure was aware of the

94:50

prophecy issues and the sexual

94:52

harassment issues in 2023 when he made

94:55

the video on TBN on TBN where he

94:57

endorsed Shawn. Not only endorsed his

94:59

book, Translating God, but endorsed his

95:01

character, the character of the man. In

95:03

fact, let me read you one line from Bill

95:05

Johnson's forward to the book, which he

95:08

obviously still stood behind in 2023. He

95:10

said about Shawn, "The time for the

95:13

authentic has come." H yeah, right here

95:17

in this in his forward to the book, the

95:18

time for the authentic has come. Uh

95:22

there's more. There's a lot more

95:24

actually. Now, TBN TBN had uh Sean

95:27

hosted hosting a show for on TBN long

95:30

after the evidence had come out uh in

95:32

internally where you know all the

95:33

circles of of of special important

95:35

people knew about it. But TBN when it

95:38

went public, they just quietly scrubbed

95:41

the data off the internet. They got rid

95:43

of all of his shows. He had a show on a

95:45

network and it was just disappeared

95:47

without announcement because when the

95:49

leaders know about it, nothing happens.

95:52

But when you know about it, public knows

95:54

about it, then they hide. So this video

95:56

I'm going to show you here, I actually

95:57

took this

95:59

gosh it was like last year, February or

96:03

something like that. Um it was it was

96:05

quite a while ago and it was just when

96:07

things started going public because

96:08

minor prophets went out and made their

96:10

video where they were saying, "Hey guys,

96:12

everybody knows um and and nobody's

96:13

doing anything about it." Um and this

96:16

but this is before the witnesses came

96:17

forward. I have more information. I have

96:18

stuff that nobody's heard before that

96:20

I'll be sharing with you guys today. So

96:22

anyways, this is what TBN did.

96:25

All right. I've been looking into uh

96:26

Shawn Bull's stuff. This is his search

96:28

results on TBN. TBN, which previously

96:31

had um a video of Shambles and Bill

96:34

Johnson, which has just been scrubbed

96:35

from their site. It's gone now. The link

96:37

doesn't work. I think I've already

96:38

showed you guys that at this point in my

96:40

video if I did what I plan to do. But

96:42

when I click on these other videos where

96:44

Shawn Bulls shows up,

96:47

you actually go to them. Okay, that

96:49

looks like it works. There he is. Shawn

96:50

BS. It's his his show, I believe.

96:52

Translating God with Shawn BS. That's

96:54

his show. When I click to watch them,

96:57

just says technical difficulties. If I

97:00

do this with another video,

97:04

this is him and Chayon who's in our

97:06

prophet guy uh apostle supposedly. And

97:11

same issue, technical difficulties. If I

97:14

click the next one, let's just it'll go

97:15

down here to this one. Engaging a

97:17

culture open link, a new tab. Here it

97:21

is. Looks like it should be there. The

97:23

placeholder is there. The video is

97:28

cycling.

97:32

Oh, apologies. Technical difficulties,

97:34

it says. Um, you guys see me sometimes I

97:37

wear hats. Anyways, this this is uh part

97:40

of what's going on is a a what looks

97:42

like TBN scrubbing Shawn BS from their

97:44

website. Um there should be if this is

97:47

the case, if he needs to be screwed from

97:49

their sight because he is a false

97:51

prophet who's been misleading and

97:52

deceiving people and causing harm and

97:55

well then they should publicly come out

97:57

and say it. That's the responsible thing

97:59

to do. That's the biblical thing to do.

98:00

That's the Christian thing to do. I

98:02

don't think they will do this. It looks

98:04

to me like it's more of the same.

98:05

Protect protect the movement. Protect

98:07

the self. Protect cover up. But don't

98:10

warn the people who they misled by

98:14

putting this content on their site in

98:16

the first place.

98:18

So the people who I especially think are

98:19

accountable for dealing with Shawn are

98:21

those who platformed him. They have to

98:24

deal with him. The people who are

98:26

actually dealing with him are people who

98:27

never platformed him whose hearts just

98:29

break for the victims and who are saying

98:31

this has to be dealt with. We care about

98:33

prophetic integrity. And more and more

98:34

charismatic people are making making

98:36

noise about it and I'm proud of you guys

98:37

and I'm thankful that you are. Um,

98:39

that's a good thing. But I want those

98:41

leaders, I hope they watch this video. I

98:43

I doubt it. I doubt Chris Boutton would

98:46

watch this video. I doubt he would give

98:47

it the time of day. Um,

98:50

but I hope that they will because what I

98:52

want you to see next is I want you to

98:53

see this. This is Jubilee Dawn. She's

98:55

going to talk about how healing it was

98:57

for her when people finally exposed

99:00

Shawn for who he was and how it blessed

99:02

her and it meant so much to her for him

99:04

to be called out. And this is what you

99:05

do is you you vindicate. You're not just

99:07

calling people out because you hate

99:08

Shawn. You're vindicating the people

99:10

that they hurt. You're bringing healing

99:12

to where harm was brought. You're you're

99:14

you're even if if you call out from

99:15

within your own group, you're even

99:18

bringing purity and integrity back into

99:20

your group. But Bethl did none of those

99:22

things.

99:22

>> The person who reached out to me said um

99:25

that he hoped that this was not

99:28

triggering for me to hear this

99:30

information, but he thought that I

99:31

deserve to know. And it is just healing

99:35

to be honest. It's so much closure. It

99:38

is what 24 25-year-old me needed to hear

99:44

was that I didn't need to stay in that

99:47

marriage and that none of that was real.

99:50

So, I love my TikTok community. I'm so

99:53

thankful. I would have never had the um

99:57

I don't know just that absolute healing

99:59

confirmation if it wasn't for this app

100:01

and the community that I built on here.

100:02

So I love you guys. Thank you so so

100:05

much. You have changed my life.

100:07

>> Bethl could have easily stopped this

100:11

from happening in the first place. But

100:12

they could also have easily done

100:14

something to bring that kind of healing

100:17

from within the church, right? From

100:19

believers. They could have brought that

100:21

kind of healing to Jubilee and so many

100:23

others because even as this video goes

100:24

out, there's new people finding out

100:25

because even though this stuff's been

100:26

exposed, it's just that the platforms

100:28

aren't big enough. What we need is Bill

100:30

Johnson to make a statement about about

100:31

Shawn specifically that it's true. It's

100:34

all true, right? Not the horrible

100:36

statement that they actually made, which

100:37

I will be reading later on. Um, but that

100:39

it's actually true and tell us what you

100:41

actually know. But they won't do it.

100:42

It's always damage control. It's a PR.

100:44

It's it's it's like talking to human

100:46

resources is dealing with these guys and

100:48

it's just

100:50

It's lame and it's abusive to people.

100:53

Speaking of abuse, abuse to people,

100:55

we're going to talk about Sean's sexual

100:56

deviency. Now,

101:05

sexual deviency and sexual harassment.

101:08

And I would I would think it classified

101:10

as clergy sexual abuse. So, I

101:13

interviewed three eyewitnesses from

101:15

Shawn's uh ministry, his former

101:17

employees. three three eyewitnesses. I'm

101:20

going to tell their stories and specific

101:22

detail and this is going to be gross and

101:25

it's going to be inappropriate for kids

101:27

and you're free for you to skip past it

101:30

if you want. Again, there's timestamps

101:31

down below. You can just skip right past

101:32

this section, but I'm going to get into

101:34

it and we're going to talk about in

101:35

detail. Um, all three of them reported

101:38

very significant things. instances of

101:40

Shawn's uh nudity in unwanted forced

101:45

nudity in in various scenarios and his

101:47

self-pleasuring I'll call it um in front

101:50

of people who were not welcoming it

101:54

there they they assure me there are at

101:55

least 12 victims that they're aware of

101:58

12 that they are aware of from people

102:02

who all were under Sean's influence

102:04

under his authority in some sense who he

102:06

did this kind of stuff to and their

102:09

testimonies span over a decade, well

102:11

over a 10-year period of time, these

102:13

three witnesses can attest to. And so

102:15

this means that we're talking about um

102:17

stuff that was happening before 2005 and

102:19

it was happening all the way into the

102:20

late 201s and by all reasonable

102:24

expectation is still happening today. I

102:26

would I would anticipate. There's no

102:27

reason to think otherwise because he's

102:28

lying and deceiving and and and denying.

102:30

So why would you think that something

102:32

has suddenly changed and improved? Bill

102:34

Johnson and Bethl leadership knew about

102:37

this for nearly five years at least that

102:41

they knew about these things. Multiple

102:43

witnesses. Now they mentioned in their

102:45

letter one witness. It was they knew

102:46

about more than one actually. Um we'll

102:48

go through that letter later. So they

102:51

knew. Now what these guys describe what

102:54

the three men I spoke with describe is

102:55

sexually doineering behavior. I would

102:58

call it grooming. I think it qualifies

103:00

and deviency. that is a person who is

103:02

disqualified from ministry certainly is

103:04

not a prophet and it's it's sick and

103:07

dark and but we'll get into it. So long

103:10

ago Sean would before he was married

103:13

would have group homes where he would he

103:15

would be the guy that was in charge of

103:17

the property like it was his house or

103:18

he's renting or whatever and then he had

103:20

a group of young men who would live with

103:21

him. And so one of these group homes was

103:24

um in LA and Sean rented this house. It

103:28

was about um seven men that lived in the

103:31

house with him. All young men in their

103:33

20s. Shawn was older than all of them.

103:35

He's 51 now. Um so he was older than all

103:38

of them. And it was according to one

103:40

witness, it was quote like a Christian

103:41

frat house. That was kind of what it was

103:43

like. And also quote, Shawn was always

103:46

trying to get us naked. That's a theme

103:48

with Shawn. Shawn has a voyeristic

103:51

desire to be seen naked. It seems from

103:54

multiple witnesses. And I'm as a

103:56

Christian, I'm supposed to take the

103:59

consistent testimony of multiple

104:00

witnesses, which doesn't have any like

104:02

red flags of of of

104:04

being false or something like that. Um,

104:07

and then it seemed then they're

104:08

confirming one another. And anyway, I I

104:11

got so I I got more than three actually

104:13

witnesses I can share. You'll see. It's

104:15

all coming. All right. So, uh, they say

104:18

Shawn was always trying to get us naked.

104:19

Uh, Shawn would send uh pictures of his

104:22

private parts to guys. He'd send photos

104:25

and he tried to create a culture where

104:26

that was normalized. One thing Sean does

104:28

is he wants to bring people other people

104:30

it seems to his level of sexual

104:32

depravity. So he's trying to create an

104:35

environment where that stuff is

104:36

normalized. He often uh talked about the

104:39

size of his self and he would talk about

104:42

it being larger than the other men's. Um

104:45

and then he would use this in a sort of

104:46

a doineering fashion. It seems the guys

104:49

had conversations about Shawn. This is

104:51

back. We're talking many years ago. They

104:54

would have open conversations about

104:55

Shawn. Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's gay. I

104:58

don't know. Some things he does. Maybe

105:01

he's gay. But it was confusing to them

105:03

because he would talk about sexual

105:05

purity all the time. Now, Sham would

105:07

claim he was a virgin. He was not

105:09

married until he was a older guy and he

105:12

was single at this time and he said he

105:14

was a virgin. And he would say things

105:16

like, "If anybody on the team is caught

105:19

using pornography, then they're kicked

105:20

out of the ministry." He would say this,

105:21

right? But this was confusing because

105:23

then he would display himself and do

105:26

other things. We'll get into that in a

105:28

minute, more of that in a minute. Um,

105:30

about the self-pleasuring stuff. And so,

105:31

they were confused. And

105:34

of course, it's confusing. You're you're

105:36

with a a a sick, demonically controlled

105:39

pervert. That that I don't know another

105:40

way to call it. You're certainly not

105:42

controlled by the Holy Spirit when

105:43

you're getting up and speaking in God's

105:44

name, doing these things. Anyways,

105:48

this one witness I spoke to, he found he

105:51

was told by, "Hey, go get my phone or

105:53

whatever." He he grabs Sean's phone and

105:55

he sees gay pornography on the phone.

105:59

This shocked him and he showed it to

106:02

another guy so that the two of them

106:04

could go and confront Shawn. Hey, what

106:05

is the deal with this? We found this on

106:06

your phone. Now, Shawn's own standards

106:08

are very high, verbally at least. And so

106:10

they they came and asked him, "What is

106:12

the deal here?" Sean's response,

106:14

according to him, was it was a joke. I

106:18

that he deliberately looked up gay

106:21

pornography, left it on his phone

106:23

visible so that this guy would find it

106:26

as a way of messing with him.

106:29

Do you believe that?

106:32

I don't believe that.

106:34

Prior to this, this is this is in the LA

106:36

home that he had with seven guys. Prior

106:38

to this, I'm told that Sean had another

106:39

group home in Alabama where three guys

106:41

lived. This is even further in the past

106:43

before I have access to uh those people

106:45

or those individuals. Um, one witness

106:48

from a more recent much more recent

106:50

time, again, I told you this spans from

106:53

2005 to the late 201s. Um, so one from a

106:57

more recent time said that uh Sean would

107:00

regularly go to Kore a Korean spa, a

107:02

specific Korean spa in LA, and he would

107:04

walk around there naked. He just walk

107:06

around there naked. He was always trying

107:08

to get the other guys to join him at the

107:09

spa. Some of those watching this video,

107:11

Sean has done this to you. Um, and if

107:14

you need uh counseling or if you know

107:16

need to talk to uh somebody, that's

107:19

good, man. You can recover from this.

107:21

You can get over this. You can overcome

107:23

this and you'll be stronger for it in

107:24

the end. And um there's help for you.

107:27

So, you can reach out to my my ministry.

107:28

I'm not offering to pay for counseling

107:30

for every random person that watches

107:31

this video, but if you're a victim of

107:32

shambles and you reach out, we want to

107:35

help you out. Okay? no strings attached.

107:39

Um

107:41

there's so much more. So the things that

107:43

these guys described, these witnesses,

107:45

and in full agreement with each other,

107:48

um and and separately, I've interviewed

107:50

them separately. Um and there's there's

107:52

corresponding details. So the things

107:53

that they described reveal a pattern of

107:55

Shawn's grooming, sexual doineering, and

107:56

unwanted sexual harassment. Let me give

107:59

some examples. One of the men on his uh

108:03

first trip with Shawn, he had been

108:06

warned prior to the trip uh that Shawn

108:08

likes to be naked in the hotel room.

108:10

Now, he he he thought it was a joke. He

108:12

thought the guy was telling a joke, and

108:13

he goes, you know, is there anything I

108:14

need to know about Shawn? He goes,

108:15

"Well, you know, he likes to be naked in

108:16

the hotel room." He was like, "Okay." Uh

108:19

he thought he was joking. Was not true.

108:22

Uh it was not true that it was a joke.

108:24

It was it was just a fact. So, when they

108:27

get to the hotel room, within minutes,

108:30

Shawn just strips his clothes off. And

108:31

this becomes part of a pattern of

108:33

trapped conditions. Shawn in conditions

108:36

where people are trapped, they're stuck

108:37

with him. That's when he takes

108:39

advantage. So, he pulls his clothes off

108:40

and he's just walking around naked. Um,

108:43

then things got worse. And I'll walk

108:45

through the timeline of this a little

108:47

bit more later, but he at one point woke

108:50

up to uh to Shawn uh pleasuring himself

108:54

and then he then Seawn just started

108:56

doing it all the time. All the time. And

108:58

it was in these trap conditions. They're

108:59

traveling. They're in a hotel room.

109:01

They're in a one of them he's in a car

109:03

when it happens. Uh I'll I'll talk about

109:04

that.

109:07

This is the pattern with him ongoing

109:09

continual repeated pattern for many

109:11

years of doing this these sort of

109:13

things.

109:15

with guys

109:17

in trapped conditions without consent.

109:20

Now, consent wouldn't make it okay. It

109:22

would still be morally wrong. But it is

109:24

different when you take away consent.

109:25

You go, you're you're you're his boss.

109:29

You're his spiritual leader. You're the

109:31

guy who's footing the bill

109:34

and you're doing this.

109:39

One time one of the guys very boldly

109:41

said cuz he was upset about it and he

109:43

Sean was again naked on the top of the

109:46

covers of his bed and he was doing this

109:49

stuff to himself and he says if you're

109:50

going to do that go into the stinking

109:52

bathroom although he didn't say

109:53

stinking. And Sean replied, "You go to

109:56

the bathroom if you don't like it. I'm

109:57

paying for the room and travel."

110:01

One of the gentlemen um who was back

110:04

then experiencing these things uh

110:06

actually took a video of Shawn doing

110:08

this

110:10

not as a way of delighting in it but

110:13

probably as a way of I'm guessing to try

110:15

to get control of his life cuz it's it's

110:16

it's oppressive. It's oppressive. It's

110:19

doineering and oppressive for him to do

110:20

this to them. This is in my opinion it's

110:22

sexually abusive. Um,

110:27

so he takes this video of it and then

110:29

just shows it to another another one of

110:31

the guys in the group and um he's like

110:33

like as a way of saying look at this is

110:34

so wrong and disgusting. Now some of you

110:37

are thinking I don't understand how this

110:38

could happen. Like if if you've never

110:40

been in an environment of like say a

110:42

really toxic home, a really bad

110:44

scenario, really unhealthy

110:46

relationships, then yeah, it makes you

110:48

don't understand how this could happen

110:49

because you've never seen it happen

110:50

before. But this stuff happens all the

110:52

time and um and it usually takes people

110:55

a long time to get out of it and then to

110:57

sort of um detoxify from the environment

111:00

where they start to realize how the how

111:02

they were brought through a deliberate

111:04

path. I'll talk about the pathway that

111:05

Sean uses through a deliberate path to

111:08

get them to the place where they were

111:09

vulnerable enough where someone could do

111:10

this to them. And um and it it it is

111:13

understandable. Anyways, Shawn would

111:16

give justifications. Um, according to

111:18

the witnesses, he would say things like,

111:20

"I'm a prophet. I need release." So,

111:23

this is why he can

111:26

pleasure himself in front of other

111:27

people without their consent is partly

111:29

because he is a prophet. He needs

111:31

release. Now, I want you to think about

111:33

what it means to tie your prophetic,

111:35

supposed prophetic gifting to your

111:38

disgusting, sexually perverted

111:39

behaviors. What does that mean about

111:41

your soul? What does that mean about the

111:43

nature of this guy?

111:47

about him exposing himself.

111:50

He said that was quote normal stuff that

111:52

happened between guys in locker rooms.

111:54

That was what I've been told. That he

111:56

would use the locker room excuse as a

111:58

regular way of sort of deferring, you

112:01

know, like, oh, that's just normal, but

112:03

I exposing myself. That's normal locker

112:04

room stuff, guys.

112:06

I don't think that is normal locker room

112:08

stuff, guys. But I also think that Shawn

112:10

is not a locker room guy in the first

112:12

place. Take a look at the guy. He's not

112:14

exactly been in a lot of locker rooms

112:17

doing a lot of sports things. He likes

112:18

to surround himself. He has a type of of

112:20

of guys he likes. He likes young

112:23

athletic guys to be serving alongside of

112:25

him. That's true. But he has not been

112:27

the athletic guy. He just

112:30

likes them.

112:32

He would tell people who confronted him

112:34

that they were being religious. He

112:36

actually tried to convince one of my

112:37

witnesses that something was wrong with

112:38

him because he was bothered by Shawn's

112:40

behavior. Well, you're religious. You're

112:42

too bound up by religion. of spirit of

112:43

religion. That's why you don't want me

112:45

to be fondling myself. You don't want me

112:48

to be doing the these things that I'm

112:51

doing in front of you. Now, I want to

112:53

talk about how it impacted one of my

112:54

witnesses cuz this has been a consistent

112:56

story I've heard. It led him to suicidal

112:59

ideiation and eventually PTSD episodes

113:02

while there. He received a lot of

113:04

counseling um and has improved a lot.

113:07

But even this video is something that is

113:09

is going to be challenging for him to

113:10

deal with and he's he's working through

113:12

it. and I had to make sure, are you sure

113:13

you're okay with me sharing these

113:14

things? I don't want to do anything

113:15

that's going to bring harm to you. And

113:16

um hopefully it's part of his healing

113:18

because finally people are going to know

113:20

the truth. Something he tried to make

113:23

happen, but um but it didn't happen

113:26

because Sean's board wouldn't listen

113:28

because the leadership at Bethl and

113:30

other uh individuals would not listen.

113:33

They wouldn't do anything to stop him.

113:35

They would just distance themselves from

113:37

him and tell others, "Oo, watch out for

113:39

Seawn. There's witnesses in the wings

113:40

ready to come forward. you wouldn't want

113:42

to be around him. That's that's the

113:44

message that I think went out. That's

113:46

how I think it really went. So, a common

113:49

thing among guys I talk to is these like

113:51

suicidal ideiation or or just PTSD or

113:53

basically they experienced a lot of

113:55

nasty sick trauma from a guy who was

113:56

supposed to be a prophetic leader. A

113:58

different witness. Let me tell you about

113:59

a different guy's story. Uh Sean got in

114:02

the backseat of the car all of a sudden

114:04

with this employee and just started

114:08

doing his thing, pleasing himself,

114:11

right?

114:13

I don't want to give more details. You

114:15

know what that means? He was he was in

114:18

the backseat of the car all of a sudden

114:19

just climbs back there and just does

114:20

this with him right there in the front

114:23

without without permission or consent or

114:25

something like that. Again, consent

114:26

doesn't make it okay, but but it makes

114:27

it even worse to not have it. and he

114:30

knew that this this young man at the

114:32

time he was he was a victim of prior

114:36

sexual abuse and Shawn knew this about

114:39

the man. You will find that a target

114:42

person for somebody who is exhibiting

114:44

the behaviors that we're hearing about

114:46

that Shawn we're hearing Shawn

114:47

exhibited. Those kinds of people tend to

114:49

target those who suffered abuse in the

114:51

past because they're sort of more ready

114:53

for it in the future. That's the sad

114:55

reality is that a someone who who abuses

114:58

their child very often leads to that say

115:01

it's a girl leads to that girl marrying

115:03

an abusive man. They're primed for

115:04

certain behaviors and certain relational

115:06

dynamics and so they target them. This

115:08

is not a surprise because Paul Kaine,

115:10

one of Shawn Bull's mentors and a guy

115:12

who sought to protect Shawn when people

115:14

were trying to expose him earlier um who

115:17

has since died.

115:20

Uh thankfully he's not around to protect

115:22

Shawn now.

115:24

Paul Kaine would do this with his

115:25

interns. He would hire multiple interns

115:28

who were former homosexuals and then

115:30

bring them in and then they're

115:31

repentant. They need guidance. They need

115:33

spiritual leadership. But he would groom

115:34

them and stuff that's already been

115:37

public that's been been public for a

115:38

while now about Paul Kane, one of the

115:40

supposed Kansas City prophets connected

115:42

to Mike Bickl and all this

115:45

who had a hand in protecting Shawn and

115:46

keeping him from getting exposed even

115:48

earlier.

115:50

So Shawn does this in the trapped back

115:53

seat trapped car situation where he's

115:55

driving and boom, he just does this all

115:56

of a sudden. Then it was in hotel rooms.

115:59

Um then when he's challenged, he mocks

116:02

the person challenging him, this

116:03

employee who challenges him. He mocks

116:05

him. He breaks him down. He talks about

116:06

how he's the man of God and he's the

116:07

prophet and he's tearing down the walls

116:10

systematically in this person's life to

116:12

make it more normal. Shawn would

116:14

insinuate himself in their lives so that

116:16

they feel like he's involved in every

116:18

part of their life. Every decision they

116:20

make, they have to talk to Shawn about

116:21

it. They have to get his wisdom and his

116:22

guidance on everything. He's like a

116:24

mentor. He's also an employer. He's like

116:26

their best friend. He's also their

116:27

landlord. This this incredible like

116:30

cultlike in connection that he has with

116:33

people and then connects it to these

116:35

intimate perverse things. And then if

116:38

you don't like it, he shames you and he

116:39

spiritually berates you over it.

116:43

Another thing this particular witness

116:45

told me is Sean, I'll just read what he

116:48

said, loved to whip his thing out and

116:50

show it to everybody.

116:56

This is an assertion of dominance. That

116:58

that's what this is. This is an I

117:00

believe this anyways is an assertion of

117:01

dominance. This is about power and man

117:05

Sean must like power. The power of being

117:07

in a room and having the being the man

117:09

of God who gets the word of God, the

117:11

best prophet of our day. That you must

117:13

like that power. The power of stripping

117:16

down and exposing yourself and forcing

117:20

that on other people.

117:22

I think maybe that that feels good in

117:24

some disgusting way to him. And so, let

117:26

me talk to you about how he progresses.

117:28

I think it's calculated. I think it's

117:30

intentional. And after being a a DV

117:32

domestic violence counselor for years,

117:34

um there's often progression when people

117:36

get others into these really unhealthy

117:39

like deeply wicked relationships. Um it

117:42

doesn't just go straight to it. Usually

117:44

typically it's a it's a long slow

117:46

process to get somebody into the place

117:49

where they are um they're exposed to

117:51

those things. For instance, you don't

117:53

know that Sean's going to do this to you

117:54

until after you're already hired, after

117:56

you've already got a paycheck coming in,

117:57

after you're already in a hotel room and

117:59

you're already trapped and you've and

118:01

you've already come to think of him as

118:03

this as this uh man of God, you know,

118:05

then it happens. And that environment

118:08

makes it difficult for you to do

118:09

something about it. It's not impossible,

118:11

but it makes it harder. Okay, so here's

118:13

the progression.

118:15

first trip, hotel room trip, within a

118:17

minute of stepping into the room, Sean

118:19

is completely nude, walking around

118:21

completely nude. From then on, it was

118:23

going to be prolonged nudity. He would

118:25

be nude for hours and in the room, just

118:27

anytime he's in the room, he is not

118:28

wearing clothes. That was the normal

118:30

thing that was going on at the time. He

118:32

would also then ask for massages while

118:35

he was not wearing clothes in the hotel

118:36

room. Can you give a massage? Oh, my

118:38

back hurts. Oh, give me a massage, man.

118:40

Come on, man. Come on, dude. I'm not

118:41

comfortable touching you with your W.

118:43

your religious spirit. You know, you

118:45

need you need to let go of that

118:46

religious spirit. Whatever it was, this

118:48

kind of thing was going on. One time in

118:50

particular,

118:53

I'm sorry to even say this stuff out

118:54

loud. Um

118:56

Sean was

118:58

aroused physically standing over this

119:02

person near him. Uh and he was

119:07

near him and

119:09

wagging and saying, "Why won't you look

119:11

at it? Why won't you look at it? Look at

119:13

it.

119:15

Do you see the progression? They're

119:17

pushing it, pushing it, pushing it. Now,

119:18

when the guy doesn't look, he goes, "Oh,

119:20

I'm shaming you. You're not looking

119:21

because you have this problem. You're

119:22

not looking because you have that

119:23

character issue or that fear or that

119:25

insecurity, and that's the reason why

119:26

you don't want to look at me." Let me

119:28

talk about multiple uh moments of the um

119:31

self-pleasuring. Okay. So,

119:36

first time in a in a hotel room at 3:00

119:38

in the morning, he this this witness

119:40

believes Shawn purposely woke him up and

119:42

Shawn is there uh doing his thing. Um,

119:45

also Shawn warns him around the same

119:49

time he says, "Sometimes I wake up in

119:51

the middle of the night jerking off."

119:54

That that's what he tells the guy.

119:56

So, this is him probably trying to cover

119:58

his bases, cover his tracks, right? He

120:00

This is obviously not an accident. and

120:02

he's not sleepwalking. This is something

120:04

he's doing deliberately. Um, second

120:07

time, second time now he's in London. In

120:10

London, Shawn is doing an event called

120:13

God Secrets

120:15

in London. And somehow, uh, Shawn got

120:19

them into the honeymoon suite at this

120:21

hotel. They don't get a normal room.

120:22

They get the honeymoon suite, him and

120:23

his employee.

120:26

And the honeymoon suite has a clear

120:28

glass shower.

120:30

And the guy's uncomfortable with this

120:32

because he's obvious for obvious

120:33

reasons, right? So, he actually showers

120:35

in his shorts. He's that uncomfortable

120:36

with the things that are going on. And

120:38

they're together in the room the next

120:40

morning. And now it's not wake up in the

120:42

middle of the night. Oh, I sometimes do

120:44

that. I wake up. He just asks the guy

120:46

openly right there as they're hanging

120:47

out in the morning. Morning is Sean's

120:49

time for this stuff. He says, "Do you

120:51

care?" Sean asks him, "Do you care if I

120:55

jerk off?" The guy does not give

120:58

permission. Sean just does it anyways

121:00

all the way everything

121:03

again he's doing a conference called God

121:05

secrets in London

121:07

the third time I want to show the

121:10

progression here from nudity to engaged

121:12

nudity to physical stuff we say oh it

121:16

was sleepwalking to then um asking

121:19

permission to finally next time he

121:21

doesn't ask he just starts it's in the

121:24

morning he's on his bed not wearing any

121:27

clothes on top of the covers and just

121:29

goes for it. This led to for this

121:32

gentleman, depression, trauma, suicidal

121:34

ideiation, different guy we're talking

121:36

about here, counseling, long recovery.

121:39

Again, if you're one of Sean's victims,

121:40

please reach out to to my ministry,

121:41

biblethinker.org, and we will help you

121:43

out. Um, and I I a warning has to go out

121:46

to Sean's current team members, the

121:48

people that are working with him now,

121:49

the people that are around him now. He's

121:50

obviously a very dangerous man. He

121:52

probably should be brought up on

121:53

charges. I'm not I'm not the law. I

121:55

don't have that kind of power and I'm

121:57

not the witness, but I I can warn the

121:59

church. Hey guys, this is editing Mike

122:01

coming in here. Sorry for this attire.

122:03

Um, here's the thing. I was editing the

122:05

video just now. Um, and I noticed that I

122:08

didn't mention something that I thought

122:10

I did talk about, which is that one of

122:11

the three former employees told me that

122:14

the progression actually went to the

122:16

point where in his case, uh, Shawn was

122:19

doing this every every morning. like

122:22

whenever they were traveling every

122:23

morning he would wake up in the room

122:25

with John and he'd be nude and he'd be

122:28

performing to completion the perverse

122:30

act. This was constant uh continual and

122:35

who knows where the progression would

122:36

have gone um had any of these guys been

122:40

you know open to it. We just don't know

122:42

the answer to that question and it does

122:45

need to be brought up and that this does

122:47

need to be pursued. This is insane this

122:49

stuff. I I I hope that somehow the ball

122:52

gets rolling forward after this video to

122:54

bring more accountability to Shawn. Now,

122:56

there's more that all three of these

122:57

people confirmed and some of those

123:00

things were Shawn as a big fat liar.

123:05

All three of them confirmed that that he

123:06

was known as a guy who was dishonest and

123:09

untruthful as opposed to Bill Johnson

123:11

who says one of our most trusted

123:13

friends.

123:15

I was told Sean often exaggerated

123:17

stories. Again, this is an over 10-year

123:19

period of time these people represent.

123:21

He says 10 people would profess faith

123:23

and Shawn would later tell a crowd that

123:25

a hundred people did. When he was

123:26

confronted about this and said, "Hey,

123:28

Sean, you you you lied to those people."

123:30

He would just say, "Oh, I got excited. I

123:33

get excited. I just I get excited."

123:37

He was well known for exaggerating and

123:38

lying. Even back in 2008, they called

123:41

him quote Shawn the Liar. I double

123:44

checked with this witness. I was like,

123:45

"People like actually called him that

123:46

like a nickname." and he goes, "Yeah,

123:48

Shawn the Liar. That was the nickname

123:50

that they had for him." Bethl introduced

123:53

him to the world as one of our most

123:55

trusted friends.

123:58

Another witness, different witness, said

123:59

that about the fake prophecy stuff that

124:01

Shawn would ask for the Wi-Fi password

124:03

when they visited churches that he

124:05

wanted also wanted access to the backend

124:07

to find info on those who were attending

124:09

a Spokane conference that they put on.

124:11

So, there's a specific memory of a

124:12

specific conference at at Spokane where

124:14

he was like, I want he he he made up a

124:18

story, it seems, about like, oh, I want

124:19

to uh see if somebody I know might be

124:22

attending the conference so I could comp

124:24

them. Um, and yet to to that person's

124:26

employees knowledge, nobody was comped.

124:28

Nobody. And and that didn't happen. Um,

124:32

right. He just wanted information to the

124:33

back end, which is an old Paul Kane

124:35

trick, right? Paul Kane's like, "Can I

124:36

go look at your church uh uh records?"

124:39

He says this witness quote he is a

124:41

profound liar. He gives another example.

124:44

Says once Shawn played video games all

124:46

day and when he went to the conference

124:48

he was giving words of knowledge to

124:49

people, right? He gives words and says

124:51

that he got those words from God while

124:53

he was in his room. Why does he say he

124:54

got them in the room? Because he's got

124:55

them on his smart device and he's got to

124:57

read off the device. He probably got

124:59

them like late at night when he's

125:00

scrolling around looking at the

125:01

check-ins and checking people's

125:02

Facebooks and trying to see who's there

125:04

or maybe checking to see who's signed

125:06

in. compare the names of the people that

125:08

signed in and then search for Facebook

125:09

to see if you can find them. Um, at any

125:12

rate, he just played video games all day

125:14

in the hotel room. I'm guessing he was

125:16

wearing no clothes playing video games

125:17

all day in the hotel room. He didn't

125:19

spend any time seeking the Lord. He

125:20

didn't spend any time getting words from

125:22

God, but he told the conference people

125:23

that he did. That's what the witnesses

125:25

is testifying.

125:27

He says also that he never saw Shawn

125:30

pray. Never. Not on his own. Obviously

125:33

on stage, sure, uh, but not on his own.

125:35

never saw Shawn open his Bible. He never

125:37

saw Shawn do any personal devotion. And

125:39

I I will quote him now. Never, Mike.

125:42

Never.

125:43

There's another witness who says that

125:46

Shawn was third one here, well known for

125:49

ridiculous exaggerations and he made

125:51

light of it. He would use funds against

125:54

their designated purposes, which is

125:55

actually what led to this uh this person

125:58

quitting. Um, and

126:01

when it came to the fake prophecy thing,

126:03

he says regarding one of the testimonies

126:06

of the other guys because we I shared

126:08

some of the stuff between the guys and

126:10

he says, "I know his experience was real

126:12

even though he's never met the guy." He

126:13

goes, "Because I saw the same thing in

126:15

my own experience." And there's more,

126:18

guys. Now, any one of these individual

126:19

things you might not you might not grab.

126:21

Mike, you have you're not going to tell

126:22

us the names of these guys? No, I would

126:23

like you to leave them alone. Um, you

126:25

guys can, those who want to defend Sean

126:27

can come at me and leave these guys

126:28

alone. How's that sound? Um, they don't

126:31

need to be brought out. I know who they

126:33

are. I've confirmed them. I've confirmed

126:34

their stories of multiple sources. And

126:36

I'm going to share more stuff with you

126:37

very shortly that will make it even

126:38

stronger. You'll see. But the thing is,

126:42

we are as Christians supposed to take

126:44

the testimony of multiple witnesses as

126:46

having weight. We have got a hundred

126:48

witnesses about Shawn. Whether it's from

126:51

the video footage that we've got, the

126:52

evidence, the behind-the-scenes stuff

126:54

I'm about to share with you for

126:55

relatively soon here about the

126:56

charismatic leaders, how they knew that

126:58

this stuff was real and they believed it

127:00

and which is why Chris Valatin behind

127:02

the scenes was like, "Sean can't come to

127:04

any of our events, even though Bill went

127:05

publicly and endorsed the man

127:09

disgustingly, even though TBN continued

127:11

to have his show up until it was so

127:12

public that they just quietly removed it

127:14

and didn't say anything.

127:17

We're going to we're going to share all

127:18

that stuff with you guys. It's important

127:19

that we understand. For you guys, it's

127:21

only been seconds, but for me, it has

127:23

been a couple hours. I just finished

127:25

interviewing with um another couple who

127:28

behind the scenes has been mistreated by

127:31

a ministry. This is not about today's

127:34

video, though. That's something else. So

127:36

the bottom line is from the stuff you

127:38

just saw. Um when I say Bethl knew, what

127:41

we mean is that Bethl had the awareness

127:44

of these accusations of the gross stuff

127:46

that I just talked about in detail about

127:48

the fake prophecy stuff. Um they had

127:51

information that gave them the knowledge

127:52

of these things, the ability to

127:54

reasonably know. Like I don't know if

127:55

they're going to be like, "Well, we

127:55

didn't know. We weren't really

127:56

convinced." And you can say this all day

127:58

long, but the the information was there.

128:00

You should have been convinced. And they

128:02

didn't do the right thing. So, it's not

128:04

just that they thought, well, maybe

128:06

sometimes he has, you know, cheated a

128:08

little in the prophetic. Um, which that

128:11

alone would have been actionable

128:13

evidence, but it was worse.

128:22

So, one of my witnesses,

128:25

he went to several charismatic leaders

128:28

years ago, and he did this so that by

128:31

early 2020, a bunch of them knew about

128:33

Shawn BS. And they knew about his

128:37

dis disgusting, gross, perverted,

128:39

doineering, sexually harassing

128:41

behaviors. And they went to, let me give

128:44

some specifics. Uh, they went to

128:46

Patricia King. Patricia King, who behind

128:49

the scenes was very supportive and very

128:51

much like, "I want to help you. I want

128:53

to help this situation. You know, I

128:55

care." Um, she recorded this guy's full

128:59

story. Like, there's an audio recording

129:01

of his entire telling of of his whole

129:03

story. Actually, it's three different

129:04

recordings. And she recorded this so

129:07

that she could send it on to Chayon and

129:09

send it on to Chris Valatin. And so,

129:12

everybody at this point, it was like

129:14

everybody was knowing about this stuff.

129:16

In fact, let me put their pictures up

129:17

for you as well. Chris Valatin, he knew,

129:21

okay, with with with my witness, with

129:23

his approval, she sent the information

129:25

on to Chris Valatin. He listened to the

129:27

recording. He was sent it. And the other

129:29

major charismatic leader was Cha Shay

129:31

Chay or Shayon Shay Chay, I think it's

129:34

Chay, I don't know. Anyways, it was this

129:35

guy who's running for governor of

129:37

California right now as we speak. And

129:40

these guys all knew. They knew about

129:42

Sean's depravity and they knew about the

129:45

evidence that he had um faked prophecies

129:48

and taken advantage of people. These are

129:50

people who had helped him, who had

129:52

platformed him or otherwise assisted

129:54

Shawn to get to where he was. And they

129:56

knew they heard the recording. They knew

129:58

about multiple victims, not just the

130:00

only one that I'm talking about who was

130:02

recorded. So Chris Valatin also told

130:06

Danny Silk, and we have evidence of this

130:08

in a text message. So, at this point,

130:11

Chris Valatin starts having a

130:12

conversation, a correspondence with one

130:14

of my witnesses, one of the victims, uh,

130:16

guys who w, you know, he's not forever a

130:17

victim, but who was victimized by Shawn.

130:20

Um,

130:22

that text conversation I'm going to show

130:23

with you now, I'm going to share with

130:24

you now. I'm going to put on screen and

130:26

you're going to see this took place

130:28

starting in April of 2020, but going all

130:30

the way until uh, gosh, is it sometime

130:33

late 2021 or something like that? We'll

130:35

we'll I'll show you the dates when we

130:37

when we get there. But here's the

130:38

conversation and we're going to walk

130:40

through it step by step so you guys can

130:41

understand that even though Bethl more

130:43

recently implied that they weren't sure

130:46

that it was all true, there were

130:47

allegations and duh, um Chris implied on

130:51

on Instagram recently that it was like

130:53

uncertain as to whether it was true. You

130:55

will see through these text messages

130:56

that that was not his posture in

130:58

private. In private, he knew it was

131:00

true. In public, they were doing damage

131:02

control and cover up culture. So here my

131:05

source says, "Hey Chris, I hope you're

131:08

doing well. Are there any updates with

131:10

the situation about Shawn? I believe

131:11

you've received the audio recording of

131:13

my experience, but I'm wondering what is

131:15

next again." Patricia King recorded it.

131:17

I sent it to Jayon. Jayon was like,

131:19

"Send it over to Chris." Um, I believe

131:22

you received it. Yeah. What's next? If

131:23

you prefer to chat briefly on the phone,

131:24

let me know. Thank you. So few hours

131:27

later, Chris gets back and says, "April

131:29

17th, 2020. I've been aware of the

131:31

situation for a while. Thank you for

131:33

caring.

131:35

The next day, he says, "We start an

131:38

investigation into Shawn's ministry.

131:39

I'll get back to you in a couple months

131:41

as we find the truth and bring

131:42

wholeness. Thanks for reaching out to

131:44

us." The implication now is Chris has

131:46

the ball. Right? This this this guy went

131:48

to uh Patricia King, who went to Chayon,

131:51

who went to Chris Valatin, and now the

131:53

heavy hitters are getting involved,

131:54

right? These are like people who can

131:56

make a difference cuz if this guy just

131:57

comes out against Sean, he'll just get

131:58

slandered and that'll be the end of the

132:00

story, right? which is what happened

132:02

before to Justin Smmedley who came out

132:04

against Shawn, rightly so, and was

132:07

attacked by Paul Kaine and ended up

132:09

having weird things happen there. Um,

132:13

so, okay, heavy hitters are involved.

132:15

Something good's going to happen.

132:16

They're obviously taking the ball. Bethl

132:18

sees themselves as having a place in

132:20

this investigation. I mean, they're

132:21

doing an investigation. Certainly, they

132:23

won't later on say, "We have no

132:24

authority over Shawn. We have we have no

132:27

place in this." Right? They wouldn't say

132:28

that later, would they? Okay. So, some

132:32

time goes by, June 18th now. Hey, Chris,

132:35

it's been a couple months and wondering

132:37

if there is an update. It would help my

132:40

heart to know what's going on. Thanks.

132:42

It's kind of weird that this person was

132:43

not they weren't the victim. They

132:45

weren't being Nobody's corresponding

132:46

with them. No one's staying in touch

132:48

with them to tell them about the

132:49

meetings they're having, about the

132:50

confrontation supposedly they had with

132:52

Shawn. Uh, so he has to reach out a

132:54

couple months later. Then Chris

132:56

responds, "We have met with Shawn on

132:58

three occasions now. Last Friday, I flew

133:01

down to meet with him for a few hours. I

133:03

think we're moving forward, but it's

133:04

really slow. We've had some very hard

133:07

conversations, as I'm sure you can

133:08

imagine. I would like to give Danny your

133:10

contact info if that's okay. He would

133:12

like to reach out to you and see how we

133:14

can help bring some closure to your

133:16

situation with Shawn." What they're

133:18

trying to do right now, I think, is

133:19

broker uh forgiveness and have Shawn go,

133:22

"I'm sorry for what I did. How can I

133:24

make it right?" and for this person to

133:25

go, "Thank you for acknowledging it. I I

133:27

forgive you. Here's what I'm asking."

133:29

Um, that wasn't going to happen because

133:30

Sean was denying. He was denying that he

133:33

had done these this sexual harassment

133:35

stuff. Um,

133:37

supposedly it's hypo allegedly

133:40

hypothetically true that Shawn told

133:42

somebody

133:44

that um his lawyer told him he has to

133:47

lie about it because of the legal

133:48

ramifications of if it came out and so

133:50

he has to take it to his grave.

133:52

allegedly, supposedly, hypothetically,

133:55

possibly in some plausible world. And so

133:59

it doesn't happen, right? The next text

134:01

message is from December. So that that

134:03

much time goes by without resolution.

134:05

It's December of 2020. Chris, when are

134:08

you going to intervene? Shawn BS has

134:10

gone 2 years without having to answer

134:12

for what he did to me. And I keep being

134:14

passed on like a nuisance. When will he

134:17

have to answer for the damage he caused

134:18

to me? And and guys, again, there's over

134:20

12 that we're aware of that we could say

134:23

uh received similar type treatment from

134:25

Shawn. And um and

134:29

it just even there's stuff I I know that

134:31

I can't even tell you guys. Um

134:34

I've been promised a meeting with Shawn,

134:36

he says, where he would clean up his

134:38

mess, and yet I'm still waiting and now

134:40

being told Shawn won't give me an

134:41

adequate apology. Could you imagine if

134:43

what was done to me had happened to one

134:45

of your sons or grandsons? how pissed

134:48

you would be. But yet, restitution

134:49

hasn't been made, and I'm still pushed

134:51

to the side like a nuisance. I'm trying

134:54

to do everything biblically, but growing

134:56

frustrated. Can you please help? I'm

134:58

tired of being put off and treated like

135:00

a nuisance. Does anyone really have my

135:03

best interest at heart? Sean is doing

135:04

his thing and not having to answer for

135:06

what he did to me. Now, this is the this

135:08

is exactly the kind of thing a a number

135:09

of other people I've talked to have gone

135:11

through because what happens is they go

135:13

to leaders. Hey, this person mistreated

135:15

me. this person did this this this um

135:18

their ministry's got major problems

135:20

there's financial this there's personal

135:22

abuse type things they're gone and

135:23

there's all this stuff right the leader

135:25

who they go to ex exudes compassion they

135:28

love bomb them they're like I care I'll

135:30

pray for you oh yes I want to I want to

135:32

be in your corner and have your back but

135:34

whenever it comes time to pull the

135:36

trigger and do something public they're

135:38

left on their own and that's exactly

135:40

what's going to happen here as you'll

135:41

see as we read on so the next part of

135:44

the conversation

135:45

Chris Valatin responds, "You're going to

135:48

have to understand that I have no

135:49

authority over Shawn."

135:51

Wait, what?

135:54

What?

135:56

Patricia King, Chayon, they brought it

135:58

to you for some reason, right, Chris?

136:01

You then started an investigation,

136:02

right? You have no no authority over

136:05

Sean. I don't know what authority you

136:06

think you have to have to hold someone

136:08

accountable who you've brought into your

136:09

network and you've put on stage and

136:10

you've introduced as your most trusted

136:12

friend. At least Bethl has collectively

136:14

cuz Bill Johnson, he speaks for you,

136:16

too. Um,

136:19

you you have a place to do this. But now

136:21

he has no authority. So, I have no

136:22

authority over Sean. He doesn't work for

136:24

me. He doesn't belong to my

136:25

organization. And I flew down to meet

136:27

him and spent the entire day there and

136:28

flew back. I asked him to clean up his

136:30

mess. And he's evidently decided not to.

136:33

We've decided to not have him minister

136:35

in our network anymore and made it very

136:37

clear that until he repents, you can't

136:39

have any influence in anything that we

136:41

do. if he worked for me or was licensed

136:43

through our organization or even had a

136:45

deeper connection to us. Deeper

136:46

connection. We'll talk more about the

136:48

deep connection in a minute. Remember,

136:49

these are the guys that made Shawn the

136:52

household name in the Charismatics, you

136:54

know, in that in that stream.

136:57

Deeper connection.

137:00

All you have to do is tweet. Just tweet

137:02

out publicly, Sean Bulls is a fraud and

137:03

he is a sexual deviant and everybody

137:07

needs to be warned about him. You

137:08

wouldn't have to say anything else and

137:10

it would have worked.

137:11

Anyway, he says, "If you worked for me

137:13

or was licensed through our our

137:14

organization or even had a deeper

137:16

connection to us, I would certainly be

137:17

able to do more, if you feel you need to

137:19

sue him, then maybe that's what you

137:21

should do." Again, I'm not telling you

137:22

to do that for legal clarity reasons,

137:25

maybe. I don't know. And I'm just

137:27

telling you that if you want to take

137:28

this further, then I would recommend

137:30

that you do something that light a fire

137:31

under him. Remember that phrase,

137:33

lighting a fire under him. I'm very

137:35

sorry for your pain. I totally

137:36

understand how you feel. It's just that

137:38

we have no authority in his life. They

137:40

have no ability to control Shawn

137:42

whatsoever.

137:43

You're going to find out a lot more uh

137:45

soon enough. But this is the bail point.

137:48

The bail point is ah he's not going to

137:49

listen to us. Well, privately we'll

137:51

confront will work, but we're not going

137:54

to publicly do anything. Then Chris, um

137:58

it appears as though he was sending the

138:00

me, you know, I said for legal reasons,

138:02

right? So, it appears as though he took

138:04

the message he just sent over to my

138:06

witness and he sent it to somebody,

138:08

meant to send it to somebody else. So,

138:09

he copied it and he accidentally pasted

138:11

it back into the same thread. So, he

138:14

says, "This was my response." And then

138:15

he has the exact same statement again.

138:18

Uh, but there's more.

138:21

The response to this came from my

138:24

witness who says, "Chris, I do

138:26

understand that you have no authority

138:27

over Shawn and his ministry. I do.

138:29

However, that doesn't wash you or

138:32

Bethl's hands of Shawn. And I'm like,

138:34

yeah, go guy. I won't use any names

138:36

here, but uh this is so good what he's

138:38

about to say. I wouldn't know of Shawn's

138:40

ministry or know Shawn personally if it

138:42

wasn't for Shawn speaking at Bethl. I

138:45

resigned my job at Bethl and moved to LA

138:49

thinking Shawn was trustworthy and the

138:51

real deal because of his influence at

138:52

Bethl. Or maybe because Bill said, "Our

138:54

most trusted friend, one of our most

138:56

trusted friends."

138:58

Maybe because Teresa Debon introduced

139:00

him as like one of the greatest

139:02

prophetic voices on the planet.

139:06

He says, "I trusted that he that the

139:07

leadership at Bethl wouldn't allow Shawn

139:09

to speak if he wasn't trustworthy. Shawn

139:11

wouldn't have one-third of his following

139:13

if Bethl had not given him a platform. I

139:16

appreciate you and Bethl taking a stand

139:18

and not allowing Shawn to have influence

139:20

in your network. What about people that

139:22

don't hold leadership positions in your

139:24

network?" Good question.

139:26

the normal people that follow Shawn

139:28

because they were introduced to him by

139:29

Bethl's wide reach and influence and

139:31

continue to do so because they are

139:33

aren't aware of what Shawn has done.

139:35

Will there be a statement from Bethl?

139:36

Maybe this would light a fire under

139:38

Shawn. Wouldn't that have been amazing?

139:40

If I don't know 2017,

139:44

2015, 16 there had been a public

139:46

statement. I I bet you that would have

139:48

saved a lot of people a lot of pain and

139:50

suffering.

139:54

Will there be a statement from Bethl?

139:56

Maybe this would light a fire under

139:57

Shawn. Chris, if you don't mind lighting

139:59

fires, light one yourself. I know Bethl

140:02

has been in talks with TBN about having

140:03

their own channel. Maybe this has

140:05

happened already. Um, but what about

140:08

Matt and Lorie Crouch, the TBN people? I

140:10

highly doubt they would continue to give

140:12

Shawn influence if they were aware of

140:13

Bethl's change in relationship with him.

140:15

Maybe this would light a fire under

140:16

Shawn. I'm not so sure if that's

140:18

entirely true. Uh, he had a a presence.

140:20

He had a show on TBN up until it was

140:22

finally, very loudly, very publicly

140:24

shouted and all of a sudden they

140:26

disappeared it. Right. Why does Bethl's

140:28

online store still offer Shawn's

140:30

resources if Shawn can't have influence?

140:33

Good question, Chris. I think these are

140:35

valid questions. If you understand how I

140:37

feel, you'll understand where I'm They

140:40

probably think you said coming from or

140:41

something like that there. So then

140:42

January 9th, 2021, he says, "I'd

140:45

appreciate a response to my three

140:47

questions."

140:49

See, because Chris didn't respond to

140:51

him. On the 18th, he said, "I have no

140:53

authority over Shawn." Then on December

140:54

29th, the reply is, "Hey, here's some

140:57

questions I have for you. I don't think

140:58

this absolves you guys. You should take

141:00

action." Then January 9th, finally,

141:04

there's another message from the the the

141:07

witness saying, "I'd appreciate a

141:09

response to my three questions, Chris.

141:10

This is now 2021. I don't want to go

141:12

outside the BETHL stream because I know

141:14

it will cause damage to Bethl." Now,

141:16

that is the thing that Bethl cares

141:17

about. out there like we do not want

141:18

that. I've spoken to a few sources that

141:21

are ready to run with the info if Bethl

141:22

doesn't do the right thing and warn the

141:24

body of Christ. And I know it will

141:26

appear like my situation and the

141:28

fraudulent words of knowledge are being

141:29

covered up by Bethl. Is it it does

141:31

appear that way? It does now. It didn't

141:33

have to. It does now.

141:36

I'm trying to do the right thing. In

141:37

regards to question number one, I don't

141:39

expect you all to necessarily be

141:40

specific in your statement, but at least

141:42

warn the body of Christ about Shawn. I

141:44

look forward to your response. This is a

141:46

perfectly modest request and he's saying

141:49

like if you don't do it, it may come out

141:52

without you. Okay. And um they still

141:55

didn't still didn't do it. Here's the

141:57

response from Chris. At this point, we

142:00

don't intend to make a public statement

142:01

about Shawn. As you pointed out, a

142:03

public statement wouldn't just hurt

142:05

Shawn, but the entire prophetic ministry

142:08

worldwide.

142:10

It was actually his statement that it

142:11

would hurt Bethl, as in hurt their

142:12

reputation because of what it would look

142:14

like to people. and it will and it's

142:16

going to do that right now. Um, as it as

142:18

it has since it came out, since it all

142:20

started coming out. It's just I'm making

142:22

it uh more loud. Um,

142:25

but Chris's response is that it would

142:27

hurt the entire prophetic ministry

142:29

worldwide. That exposing a fake sexual

142:32

harassing, deviant fake prophet, that

142:36

that would hurt God's ministry of

142:39

prophetic work around the world. Really?

142:44

really

142:45

delusions of grandeur here or something

142:48

something weird's going on because that

142:49

is that is nuts. You know what it will

142:51

do to the prophetic ministry to expose

142:52

the frauds? It will purify it. You know

142:54

what God did to the prophetic ministry

142:56

in the time of Jeremiah? He sent

142:57

Jeremiah out there and he was he was

142:59

like confront these fake prophets who

143:00

prophesied dreams that I didn't give

143:02

them who prophesied the desires of their

143:04

own hearts as though they're coming from

143:06

me. And he sent Jeremiah to confront

143:07

him. Could you imagine like whose side

143:10

would Chris have been on? Would he be

143:11

like, "Well, Jeremiah, I don't know if

143:12

you should do this. you're going to hurt

143:13

the prophetic ministry worldwide.

143:16

I don't know.

143:18

I noticed that Shawn doesn't do words of

143:19

knowledge anymore. Now, the excuses

143:21

start to come. We're going to walk

143:22

through this in detail. I noticed he

143:25

claims Shawn doesn't do words of

143:26

knowledge anymore. That was not true. I

143:27

also think that he lost his house. At

143:29

least that's what I heard. Uh he did

143:31

downsize. That was the phrase Shawn

143:33

used. He downsized. It seems I don't

143:36

know if it's true, but it seems like it.

143:38

I have no relationship with him anymore

143:40

and I don't want one. I also heard that

143:42

he has increased his accountability

143:43

going forward. Remember he says that

143:45

because I think this is like this is

143:46

like gobbledegoo corporate speak or

143:48

something. Um supposedly increased his

143:51

accountability. I understand that he

143:52

hasn't cleaned up his mess, but it looks

143:54

like he's changed his prophetic

143:55

ministry. He's changed.

143:58

This is damage control. Now what Shawn

144:01

did is Shawn stopped giving these words

144:04

of knowledge because everybody knew

144:05

about it. Because every time he did it,

144:07

they would go on Facebook to prove what

144:08

he was doing was fake. And it was like

144:11

the gig is up, you know, as soon as you

144:13

know how the magician does the trick,

144:14

he's like, I probably shouldn't keep

144:15

doing that trick. They all know how I'm

144:16

doing it. They're like watching the

144:18

wrong hand and they see the thing I did.

144:20

So yeah, he stopped doing that in

144:22

public, but he still gives vague

144:23

prophetic words constantly. He still

144:24

gives private prophetic words as I'll

144:26

share evidence of that. So he's still

144:27

manipulating people with prophecy all

144:29

the time. He goes on and says, "We no

144:31

longer have a contract with TBN. I

144:33

haven't seen Matt Crouch in over a year,

144:34

but I'm not going to take the role of

144:36

going from ministry to ministry and

144:38

telling them that Shawn was giving bad

144:39

prophetic words. Oh, just just tweet it

144:41

one time, Chris. That's all it takes. I

144:43

don't have time to do that. I have no

144:45

desire to call around every time I see

144:47

Shawn on a new platform. Here's the

144:48

thing. That's not what the witness asked

144:50

him to do. What he asked him to do was

144:52

to make a public statement because then

144:54

it would just go wildfire. It would take

144:56

care of itself. If Bethl made a public

144:57

statement that was intended to be

144:59

public, it wasn't just to staff and it

145:00

wasn't just to Bethl alumni and it

145:02

wasn't just to like some small. It was

145:03

rather here's Bethl as a as a church

145:06

that has worldwide impact that has

145:08

lifted up this guy for the world to be a

145:09

prophet. Here's us saying we're sorry.

145:11

We have found out that he has a

145:13

fraudulent ministry and everyone who's

145:15

had a word from him, you need to you

145:16

need to test it again. He's also

145:18

disqualified because of some things that

145:20

he's done wrongly to employees of his.

145:22

um you could have just even that much

145:24

would have made a huge difference and

145:26

then they would not have come to me.

145:27

These witnesses would not have come to

145:28

me saying Mike please go ahead and tell

145:30

our story. They would not have come and

145:33

it would have been a better like I would

145:35

have preferred it too. That would have

145:36

been much better. Just just like I

145:38

reached out to Sean before I made this

145:39

video and I mean like months and months

145:41

ago like I think February of last year I

145:42

reached out like a year ago almost

145:44

saying hey it's better if you just come

145:46

forward. Come and defend yourself if

145:47

these things aren't true. You're saying

145:48

they're not true. Um, and then later I

145:51

reached out again and said, "It's better

145:52

that you just go forward and tell the

145:54

truth. I'd rather you do that than me

145:55

make a video." That the closer you can

145:57

get the exposure to the actual people

145:59

doing it, the more health that is to the

146:00

body, the more integrity that restores

146:02

into those ministries. But when it comes

146:03

from as far out as me, that is not going

146:07

to be it's just going to look bad for

146:09

you guys. And because it should. Uh,

146:11

it's just how it is.

146:13

So, he says, "I haven't seen Matt

146:14

Crouch. I'm not going to go door to door

146:16

and all this stuff." Then he says uh

146:17

towards the bottom here, I don't have

146:19

time to do that. I have no desire to

146:20

call around every time I see Shawn on a

146:21

new platform. I've told many leaders in

146:23

our network about Shawn's dishonest

146:25

prophetic ministry. And then he says,

146:26

most of them have canceled him.

146:29

So he was obviously convinced that Shawn

146:32

was guilty, right? Like that that seems

146:34

very clear. Sean's definitely guilty cuz

146:37

you wouldn't you wouldn't warn people

146:38

about a guy who's not guilty. We also

146:42

know that Chayon pushed it to you

146:44

because he thought you were the right

146:45

guy for the job. or at least that that's

146:46

what the testimony I've heard suggests.

146:49

Um, we also know that Shawn's book

146:53

shows the kind of relationship you guys

146:55

had. Allow me to now read from Shawn's

146:57

book.

146:59

Put me back on the screen here. Shawn

147:02

BS's book. Here's Randy Clark's

147:04

endorsement. I not only want to

147:06

recommend the book, I want to recommend

147:08

the author. Shawn has developed into a

147:11

very healthy prophetic minister and some

147:13

very powerful and accurate words that

147:15

have greatly encouraged many.

147:19

Shouldn't Randy Clark say something

147:20

publicly about Shawn if after that

147:21

endorsement? What about James Gaul who I

147:24

would I've dubbed him the newspaper

147:26

prophet because I believe he was getting

147:27

prophecies from newspaper speculation.

147:30

He was reading the papers and

147:31

speculating and the stuff he got right

147:33

and wrong looked like it came from the

147:34

newspaper or from news reporting.

147:36

Anyways, James Gaul, another leader in

147:38

the movement says, "I've personally

147:40

known Shawn BS and observed his ministry

147:42

journey for well over 20 years. The book

147:45

you hold in your hands is the fruit of

147:47

joining the generations.

147:49

With years under his belt, a giftedness

147:52

that is undeniable, and a lifestyle that

147:54

exalts Christ Jesus, it is my honor to

147:56

commend to you the ministry and writings

147:58

of Shawn BS." There's others. C. Peter

148:01

Wagner endorses this. Bobby Connor

148:03

endorses this. Georgian Banov endorses

148:06

this. Eric Johnson, Bill Johnson's son.

148:08

I'll read what he wrote. It is not often

148:10

that we get to see a prophetic gift

148:12

mature in front of our eyes. I'm so

148:15

thankful for Shawn Bulls and his

148:16

approach to life and the nature of God.

148:18

The maturing, by the way, is in 2013,

148:21

Facebook's become searchable and all of

148:22

a sudden Shawn's able to prophesy way

148:24

way more accurately about people's

148:26

lives, words of knowledge. Um, that's

148:28

the maturing that I think he's referring

148:30

to. I'm so thankful for Shawn Bulls,

148:32

Eric Johnson says, and his approach to

148:34

life and the nature of God. Our people

148:35

here at Bethl Church reading have been

148:38

deeply impacted over the years by what

148:40

Shawn carries. Oh man, if that hasn't

148:42

changed meaning since he wrote it,

148:44

they've been deeply impacted. That's

148:46

true. Over the years by what Shawn

148:47

carries, whatever that is. Every time he

148:50

visits our church, we experience

148:51

promotion and increase. Translating God,

148:54

that's the name of the book. Translating

148:57

God is a must-read for anyone interested

148:59

in learning how God sees people and how

149:01

he interacts and engages with us. It

149:03

will take you to another level. They're

149:04

always selling. The selling point is

149:06

always next level of spiritual stuff.

149:09

We've got endorsements from Mickey

149:10

Robinson, Johnny Enlo, Lance Wallnau,

149:12

Sean Fo,

149:15

Fatine, I cannot pronounce that person's

149:18

name. to Jonathan Welton, Senu McIll,

149:21

Bishop Joseph Garlington, and also Benny

149:24

Johnson, Bill Johnson's wife, who wrote

149:26

the following. Shawn, as a young boy and

149:28

now as an adult, has stewarded the

149:30

prophetic in a natural way that has been

149:32

beautiful to watch.

149:35

Really,

149:37

I don't think that's true. And there's

149:39

other endorsers, too. Then on the back

149:41

of his book, Sean talks about, and you

149:43

can see it, you can see it here. If

149:45

you're those of you who really want to

149:46

pause and zoom in, you can read it. I'll

149:48

read it to you. He thanks Chayon here.

149:51

I'll read a couple of them.

149:54

Here's

149:56

several. I want to thank Mike Bickl and

149:58

everyone involved in my prophetic

150:00

development during my time in Kansas

150:01

City.

150:04

Mike Bickl exposed as a guy who would

150:06

use prophecy to abuse people and women

150:08

in particular. I want to thank Rick

150:10

Joiner and Morning Star Ministries for

150:12

being pioneers and for receiving me as

150:14

an extended family member. Rick, David

150:16

Yarns, and the rest of the Morning Star

150:17

friends. I'm I'm grateful. I want to

150:19

thank Heidi and Roland Baker for

150:21

modeling what hearing God's voice can do

150:22

to transform the poor of the earth. You

150:24

have personally grounded me in the love

150:26

that this book speaks of just by example

150:28

and the time we spent together. I want

150:30

to thank Chay and Suan and Hrock and Him

150:34

for being so good for my growth and

150:36

heart. Thanks for the relationship and

150:37

all the opportunities to grow and give

150:40

away who I am. I love being part of the

150:42

family. Finally, I want to thank Bill

150:45

and Benny Johnson and the Johnson

150:47

family, Chris and Kathy Valatin, Danny

150:49

and Sher Silk for the and the rest of my

150:52

Bethl family.

150:54

You give me such great joy to be part of

150:56

your family. There are too many of you

150:58

to name, so I'm sticking with the moms

150:59

and dads. Thank you for being the place

151:02

of love and faith and for giving grace

151:04

for this new prophetic season to emerge.

151:06

Right? That's his launching pad was in

151:08

Bethl. Later turns into we have no

151:10

authority over Sean. It's not my job to

151:11

go around and tell people about him and

151:13

warn him about him. These endorsements

151:15

mean you have to publicly because you

151:17

publicly put him on stage. You launched

151:19

him. You you got to be the guy the guys

151:22

who try to help shut him down for the

151:24

sake of the benefit of the body of

151:25

Christ. Do you love your people is the

151:27

question or do you love your movement?

151:38

Now, let's talk about some of the

151:39

justifications that are in this

151:43

um response, this uh text message from

151:45

Chris. He says Shawn doesn't do words of

151:47

knowledge anymore. Uh that is actually

151:49

not true. Uh there's a clip from Sean's

151:52

uh YouTube channel, November 8th, 2024,

151:54

that shows that pro the prophetic and

151:57

words um and operating in words were

152:00

still core to his ministry, right? His

152:03

prophetic stuff is is ongoing. It's just

152:05

shifted in the same sense that you you

152:08

go underground. You know, Benny Hinn

152:10

tries to only ask people to give $10,000

152:13

when there's not a camera around now.

152:15

Like he tends to do that um because he

152:18

said he would never do it again. So, you

152:19

can still catch him on camera doing it

152:20

sometimes, but he'll just he'll just be

152:22

more careful about how he does it.

152:23

That's what cover-up culture does. So,

152:26

here's Sean talking about his ongoing

152:28

prophetic ministry and how there's a lot

152:31

here. He's going to defend himself. He's

152:33

going to deny the accusations. He's

152:34

going to show that he still prophesies

152:36

and we'll show that these excuses that

152:38

Chris gave were we're were not we're not

152:40

good. To set this video up, you just

152:42

need to know that Shawn had prophesied

152:45

Trump would have two terms. Uh obviously

152:47

Trump has had two terms now and that's

152:49

why he came out made this video. He's

152:50

like vindicated. I'm we're vindicated.

152:53

Um and he still says he kind of messed

152:54

up, but they're kind of vindicated and

152:56

they're kind of playing games with it.

152:57

But that's the backdrop is there was

153:00

this time he prophesied Trump would win

153:01

in 2020. He said Trump would have two

153:03

terms. He would be in office in 2020,

153:06

right? From 2020 through 2024,

153:09

2021 to 24, he's going to be in office.

153:11

And that's not what happened. So he

153:14

later apologized for it and he came

153:16

under a lot of fire. Around the same

153:17

time these allegations started coming

153:19

out more publicly faking prophecy and

153:22

and then behind the scenes the sexual

153:24

allegations were also coming out. Sean's

153:26

having talks with Danny and Chris and

153:29

he's denying everything. Okay, that's

153:31

the context of this conversation. Now

153:33

listen

153:34

>> and I prophesied on a national format

153:36

and then Fox News called me and said,

153:38

"Is Trump going to win it again?" And I

153:39

said, "Yes, absolutely. I see a second

153:41

term." And so the problem was the second

153:44

term didn't come right away and the

153:46

warfare that came against prophetic

153:48

people and Christians in that moment

153:50

both secularly in society and then also

153:53

in the church in movements whole

153:54

movements who didn't know what to do and

153:56

how to stand.

153:56

>> So he he generally you'll see this couch

154:00

uh this issue as like oh it's not really

154:03

about me it's about the warfare against

154:04

everybody. It's kind of like when Chris

154:05

was told, "This is going to make Bethl

154:06

look bad." And he goes, "You're right.

154:07

It would be bad for the prophetic

154:09

movement worldwide, right?" Like, it's

154:11

it's that kind of thing.

154:12

>> With that, I had I mean, I've been

154:13

around for 30 years in, you know, church

154:15

cultures. I've been kind of a staple to

154:18

a lot of charismatic churches and

154:19

charismatic movements and pastors were

154:21

mad and then they start to accuse us of

154:23

researching stuff on Facebook. And I

154:25

mean, this whole attack came where it's

154:26

like, you've done all these things that

154:28

are wrong and you did and all of it was

154:30

false. And I had to say, I don't agree.

154:33

And then during that time, I was also

154:34

pivoting to to go after social

154:35

commentary, media, and production.

154:38

>> Chris presented the pivot as he's no

154:40

longer doing words of knowledge. He's

154:42

moving away from prophecy. He's

154:43

reshaping his ministry. He has increased

154:45

accountability. I know he hasn't cleaned

154:46

up his mess, but there was a bunch of

154:48

things to kind of like soften and it was

154:50

all damage control. And the way he talks

154:52

about it now, he goes, I was pivoting I

154:54

was just pivoting my ministry in a way

154:55

that was it was that all the accusations

154:57

were false. All of the accusations were

154:59

false. also digging up words of

155:00

knowledge and then he just vaguely says

155:02

all of the accusations which implies

155:04

these other ones which were uh I believe

155:06

true

155:07

>> and it was such a perfect storm for

155:09

prophetic people. Some prophetic people

155:10

got annihilated by the New York Times

155:12

and Washington Post and all these

155:14

>> these poor prophetic people. They're not

155:17

they weren't prophetic. That's exactly

155:18

it. They're not prophetic at all. And

155:20

they got exposed when they falsely

155:22

predicted something that didn't happen

155:23

and it was a global event

155:25

>> different places and all these rumors

155:28

came. It was really easy to believe the

155:29

worst about people. For 2 years, I

155:31

didn't prophesy anything publicly. That

155:33

was

155:34

>> publicly

155:36

I'm I'm going to play this back again.

155:38

He's going to say for two years he

155:40

didn't prophesy anything publicly.

155:42

He stopped for a season for two years

155:45

again not permanently um because of the

155:49

heat of the moment and while denying the

155:51

accusations. This is called damage

155:53

control. This is called cover up

155:54

culture. This is called dodging

155:55

accountability. And Chris seemed okay

155:58

with that.

155:59

>> Washington Post and all these different

156:01

places and all these rumors came and it

156:04

was really easy to believe the worst

156:05

about people for two years. I didn't

156:07

prophesy anything publicly that was a

156:09

big word for politics or a big word for

156:11

the corporate church. I stayed real

156:13

quiet. I just I was like I want to just

156:15

really see God. And part of it was

156:17

because I had warfare of some movements

156:18

I love who accused me of things that

156:21

weren't true. And I wanted to rebalance.

156:23

I was like, there's a a demand put on

156:25

the prophetic gifts and some of the

156:26

offices of prophet like mine that was

156:28

wrong. It was a wrong demand that was

156:30

and I wanted to realign myself to God

156:32

and then be able to realign myself after

156:34

that to speak to churches and movements

156:36

in the right way. And

156:38

>> I want to throw up when I hear him say

156:39

stuff like this. It's ridiculous. It was

156:42

the wrong demand that was placed. Dude,

156:44

you created the super profit expectation

156:47

and then you failed and then you're

156:49

like, you guys expected too much of me.

156:51

Um, what you want is no accountability.

156:53

You want to be the super prophet. And

156:56

this is at least how it all looks to me.

156:57

This is at my best understanding.

156:59

Everything I share with you is my best

157:00

understanding of things that I uh I

157:03

think are

157:06

they need to be known. So yeah, he goes

157:08

on. He he couches it like a spiritual

157:10

warfare and bad expectations. And he's

157:13

got two cheerleaders here. these guys

157:14

who I hope that God opens their eyes and

157:16

they realize that their sincere love for

157:18

God is being manipulated by guys like

157:20

Shawn BS

157:21

>> and during that time I stayed really

157:22

connected to people like Bill Johnson

157:24

still connected to him stay really

157:26

really connected to uh TBN and our TBN

157:29

family Matt and Lorie Crouch stayed

157:31

really connected to of course Bob and

157:33

Lauren Hass who you guys know really

157:34

well and and I I realigned and I

157:37

reshaped with

157:38

>> Okay, Bob and Lauren Hass. So Bob Hass

157:40

is on Sean's board. I think he's still

157:42

on the board. He was on the board when

157:44

my witness reached out and talked to

157:48

every board member he could, past and

157:50

present board members, and asked them to

157:52

hold Shawn accountable and be aware of

157:53

what was going on. And ultimately, Shawn

157:56

was not held accountable. And the

157:58

conversations went something along the

158:00

lines of, "Tell us what you know, what

158:02

names do you know, what names do you

158:03

know?" And they wouldn't give him

158:04

information. And uh it it ended up being

158:08

like, "What is really going on here?"

158:09

Um, so that that's how it was reported

158:12

to me and I entirely believe that's true

158:15

because I have things I can't tell you

158:17

about that I know. But um, but yeah, so

158:20

Sean Foy was on his board. He was made

158:21

aware of these things. Uh, now at some

158:23

point he's got off his board reportedly.

158:26

But this is weird. The timing is weird

158:28

because at one point he claims

158:31

basically there's filings, legal filings

158:33

that show Sean was on the board at a

158:35

point at which he had told someone he

158:37

wasn't. But then I think Sean has

158:38

deceived or misled people quite a bit

158:40

about a lot of things. So I'm not

158:41

surprised.

158:43

But Sean Foy told the witness, I I don't

158:46

know what you're I didn't know about

158:47

that stuff. I didn't I didn't know about

158:48

that. I was unaware of that. Yet Chris

158:50

Valadin's message was going to be I I

158:52

talked to the board members and I asked

158:54

them to pull him out and they don't want

158:55

to do it. I don't know why.

158:57

So both those things can't be true. What

158:59

is the truth? I don't I don't know. I

159:02

don't know. Was Chris posturing to make

159:04

himself look good so that he was off the

159:06

hook? this this person wasn't upset with

159:08

him. Um, or was it was it true? And

159:12

Chris is upset because he's like, "Why

159:13

don't you guys pull him out? You should

159:14

pull him out." I I don't know.

159:17

It's it's it's very difficult to know

159:19

because once the trust is damaged, all

159:22

you have is putting together the pieces

159:23

and trying to figure out what really

159:25

happened.

159:28

God, what the prophetic is supposed to

159:30

look like in my life after what we

159:32

experienced, which was a major attack,

159:34

the worst attack of my life against my

159:36

reputation. So, I do think that this was

159:38

a a huge coordinated Jezebel attack the

159:41

entire time. That was the worst I've

159:43

ever seen in history.

159:44

>> Now, when he says a huge coordinated

159:46

Jezebel attack, he means the attack

159:48

against him and also because of the

159:50

context of the clip, make sure you

159:51

understand this, also the attack against

159:53

all of the other prophetic people,

159:55

right? who were a lot of fake prophecies

159:58

stuff going on there. He says during

160:00

this time clearly said I stayed

160:02

connected close with Bill Johnson and

160:04

close with Matt and Lorie Crouch and

160:06

close with and he names some names Bob

160:08

Hassen and it is it is in fact in 2023

160:13

when Bill Johnson went and endorsed him

160:16

personally his character and his book

160:18

again even after knowing that a lot of

160:20

the stories that he read that he writes

160:23

about in here are things that would have

160:25

either not happened or or happened from

160:28

digging up people's data on the internet

160:30

and they're pretending like he had

160:31

prophecy. Here's another piece from his

160:34

book, by the way, that I thought was

160:35

pretty interesting where he says that

160:37

Paul Kaine is a p was a personal friend

160:39

of mine. He was a personal friend of

160:41

yours and a mentor to me because you're

160:44

walking in his footsteps,

160:47

his disgusting footsteps.

160:50

You're going to learn more about that

160:52

today as well. So, the things that Chris

160:55

said were simply not true and and simply

160:57

not good enough, right? Because Shawn

160:59

affected so many people. Take a look at

161:02

how many people he affected in his own

161:03

words.

161:04

>> My friends and family. I mean, I've

161:06

traveled all around the world. So, I've

161:07

been everywhere from all over Asia and

161:08

Thailand and um Cambodia and and

161:11

Indonesia and Korea and Singapore and

161:14

Malaysia and all those kinds of places,

161:16

China, but I've also been, you know,

161:17

throughout Africa, throughout South

161:19

America. You have to realize when I used

161:21

to be on the road, so if I traveled 70

161:23

times a year, I would have, you know,

161:27

seven to 20 prophetic words for

161:29

individuals, whether it's a leadership

161:30

team behind the scenes, whether it's

161:32

people ministry, plus I'd have two or

161:34

three governmental words or local words

161:37

or church words. So when you count those

161:39

up, it's hundreds of thousands of words

161:41

a year. I was giving. And now I don't

161:44

have all that, which is great. So I have

161:45

more consistent time where I just have

161:47

my relational network and I'm so praying

161:49

and continuing will give me words to

161:51

connect to and I don't strive for that

161:52

but I just I want to be deliberate

161:54

because I see what the prophetic does

161:56

calling us forward.

161:58

>> He isn't doing that's great. He says he

162:01

knows it's not great. He he liked it

162:03

better when he could do all he can be

162:04

more public but there's too much

162:05

accountability now, right? He's got to

162:07

like still lay low. Um, he does plan on

162:09

ramping back up, it seems, from the way

162:11

he talks about these things, but he's

162:13

still giving private words to people. I

162:15

still have my relational network. Now,

162:17

what kind of relational network does a

162:18

guy like Shawn Bulls have? Well, it will

162:20

probably include money, money, money,

162:22

donors, people with a lot of money. And

162:24

Sean has special words of knowledge for

162:26

them. I'm going to talk about a couple

162:27

who Sean gave a special word of

162:29

knowledge to special uh insight from the

162:32

Holy Spirit supposedly and then was

162:34

trying to get their money money and they

162:37

are helping us blow the whistle on not

162:39

only Sean but others in the movement too

162:42

that were doing the same thing to them.

162:44

So at least I that's how I interpret it.

162:46

You can interpret it yourself. I'll just

162:47

share with you what I know. What is the

162:50

rest of this? Let's see.

162:51

>> It calls us to action. It calls us to

162:53

calls us higher. So my friendship world,

162:55

I want to call them higher. Every year I

162:57

pray for my whole friendship circle that

163:00

I feel signed to pray for prophetically.

163:02

But at the same time, it gives me more

163:03

room now because now I'm in media. So

163:05

that's why we're releasing the prophetic

163:07

word or perspective with each show

163:09

because I feel like it helps people to

163:10

wrap their faith around something

163:12

prophetically. And sometimes they get

163:13

more specific words and sometimes they

163:15

get more generic words.

163:18

>> Yeah, he is a rambler, this guy. So

163:22

Sean is still h he still has prophecy as

163:25

a key part of his ministry. And if you

163:26

go to his YouTube channel, I did this

163:28

and you look at his videos, his best

163:30

performing videos um there there's some

163:32

outliers, but uh in general, his better

163:35

performing videos are going to be ones

163:37

where it says something about prophecy.

163:38

He has a prophetic word about this, a

163:39

prophetic word about this. And then the

163:41

ones where he's just bringing a teaching

163:42

or a lecture of some kind, the views

163:44

tend to be pretty low. They're not very

163:46

good.

163:49

So Sean is still engaging in a prophetic

163:53

ministry. He's still probably

163:54

fundraising through the use of his

163:56

supposed prophetic gift. And

164:00

the warning still needs to go out

164:02

because guys like this will lay low and

164:04

then they'll just do it again. I know

164:05

that sounds crazy, but that's exactly

164:08

what these guys have done in the past.

164:10

They just lay low and then they keep

164:12

going. They just lay a little bit lower

164:13

and they keep going. that Mike Bickl

164:16

right now, even after being exposed for

164:17

having what was it 17 victims, um is

164:20

just going to try to keep going. He's

164:21

kicking back up. His sister had a

164:23

special word of prophecy, God is

164:26

restoring him. And um Bob Jones, he

164:30

continued he after he perversely fake

164:34

prophesied to two women so that he could

164:37

I'm going to give the details here. Skip

164:38

it if you don't want to hear it. so that

164:40

he could get them to take their clothes

164:41

off and for them to receive a special

164:42

anointing from God, he had to place his

164:45

mouth upon where you think um their you

164:49

know their top and uh as a as a a

164:52

nursing

164:54

anointing. Anyway, he did this, right?

164:56

He was busted for it in the early 90s

164:58

and still in the 2000s, Bethl has him at

165:01

their church guiding people in trips to

165:03

heaven which were clearly fake. Clearly

165:05

fake.

165:07

The coverup culture is insane

165:10

and Sean is just laying low unless he

165:13

gets really publicly exposed and the

165:16

leaders won't stand for it because I

165:18

think only only then do you really get

165:21

the change the transformation.

165:23

But if you hold him accountable does

165:26

that mean they'll be held accountable

165:27

too. Um who knows how much is going on

165:29

there. Back to that text message

165:31

conversation. There's a lot more in here

165:33

that's very important for me to share

165:34

with you guys in 2021. Um, Chris

165:38

continues and says, "This is early 2020

165:40

21 at this point. Others have called me

165:42

and asked what I think and I told them

165:45

the truth about Shawn's antics." That is

165:47

actually pretty key because I did a

165:49

video with Elijah Stevens who Shawn lied

165:52

to, fake prophesied to. Elijah spent his

165:54

much of his life savings on it. It

165:56

damaged his marriage. It caused him

165:58

serious PTSD when he started hearing

166:00

whispers uh that seemed credible to him

166:02

that Shawn was actually fake and that

166:05

the prophetic word that he gave Elijah

166:07

based upon him knowing Elijah's like

166:08

name and family members names and all

166:10

this stuff that maybe that came from

166:12

Facebook when he started thinking that

166:14

that really might have been fake. It

166:16

freaked him out and he reached out to

166:18

Chris and he said, "Chris, tell me was

166:19

it real?" And Chris did not warn him,

166:22

right? He gave a vague kind of half

166:25

answer. He didn't actually tell him the

166:27

truth. Right here, he says, "Others have

166:28

called me and asked me what I think. I

166:30

told them the truth about Shawn's

166:31

antics. He actually didn't do that with

166:33

the one person I know who did call him

166:35

and ask him what he thought.

166:37

I didn't realize that Shawn's books were

166:39

still in our bookstore." He says, "I

166:41

will have them taken out of the store

166:42

and off our site. I did have a

166:44

conversation with him about 4 months ago

166:45

and told him that he wasn't to ask any

166:47

of our team to be on his podcast." This

166:50

creates distance. It might feel like

166:52

accountability to some, but ultimately

166:54

it just creates distance. And then Shawn

166:56

is able to eventually continue doing his

166:59

ministry at maybe a smaller level, but

167:01

he can still victimize people and do all

167:03

kinds of evil things. I told him that he

167:05

needs to clean up his mess before he has

167:07

a relationship with any of our people.

167:09

I've also told our entire team that they

167:11

are not to minister with Shawn or have

167:13

him in any of their ministries. I would

167:15

have thought Elijah was a team member.

167:16

We showed how he taught at some at some

167:18

of your school stuff, but you didn't

167:20

tell him. And even when he asked, he

167:22

wasn't told. And Dan Fairley, Dan

167:25

Fairley, pastor at Bethl, told Elijah he

167:28

didn't know about Shawn. He wasn't he

167:30

didn't really know what the truth was

167:31

about Shawn. But here, Chris says he

167:32

told the entire team. I mean, Dan

167:34

Fairley's there's top three guys at

167:36

Bethl or four guys, excuse me, at BETHL.

167:38

You got Bill, you got Chris, you got Dan

167:40

Danny Silk, and you have Dan Fairley.

167:44

Did Dan Fairley just lie?

167:49

That's what it looks like.

167:52

I've also had a conversation with Bethl

167:53

Music leadership and team and told them

167:56

about Shawn's situation. They've agreed

167:57

to ban him from their ministry. And then

167:59

he says, "I heard Shawn really isn't

168:00

getting invited anywhere." And Shawn has

168:02

not been doing much public speaking.

168:03

That's for sure. Um because he's

168:05

basically got leprosy. He's the leper.

168:07

If you you

168:08

use him for something, you're going to

168:10

have a bunch of people on your back.

168:11

Social media is going to be all over it.

168:13

And that's the real issue is we don't

168:14

want the mob. We don't want the social

168:15

media. Let us do our thing. Stop trying

168:17

to hold people accountable. But

168:20

is Chris convinced that Shawn is guilty?

168:23

That's the big question. The very, very

168:24

important question. Does Chris think

168:26

Shawn is guilty? Is he aware of enough

168:28

information that he believes Shawn is

168:29

guilty? Well, he bans him from

168:30

ministering in their church. He tells

168:33

Bethl Music, "Don't do anything with

168:34

them. He can't get involved until he

168:36

repents and cleans up his mess." Well, I

168:39

I I could pull him out of ministry, but

168:40

I have no authority over him. It's clear

168:42

that he believes that Shawn is guilty.

168:44

He's certainly treating him that way.

168:46

And speaking of Elijah Stevens,

168:49

after Shawn gave the word that led

168:51

Elijah down the path of spending most of

168:53

his retirement on something because he

168:54

believed God was calling him to do it,

168:56

um, and then Bethl not help dropping

168:59

just basically going like this with

169:01

Elijah afterwards. And I have a whole

169:03

giant video with evidence and emails and

169:05

texts and everything that Elijah pulled

169:06

together for us to share. So, I'll link

169:08

that below. But after that happened,

169:10

after this fake word came from the Bethl

169:12

stage to Elijah that messed up his life,

169:15

5 days later, Chris Valadin posted on

169:17

social media, this is in 2015, is that

169:19

long ago, Shawn BS has the most powerful

169:21

word of knowledge gift I have ever

169:23

experienced. I thank God for the gifts

169:26

he gives to his people.

169:28

Couldn't you have just posted on

169:30

Facebook, Chris, Shawn BS has been

169:32

faking his words of knowledge. I'm sorry

169:34

that I fed you to him. You could have

169:37

just said that, but you couldn't be

169:40

bothered. Couldn't be bothered. All

169:42

right, this is where Chris goes on. Um,

169:44

this stuff's all so important. It's This

169:46

is going to validate a lot of the claims

169:47

that I've been making, the the things

169:49

that I'm about to share with you now to

169:50

help bring in more witnesses and more

169:52

evidences. He says, um, I heard Sean's

169:54

not getting invited places. He goes on,

169:56

I think he's trying to survive by having

169:57

people on his podcast. Several people

169:59

have called me about being on his

170:00

podcast, and I've told them what I know.

170:02

Again, Chris is the fountain of truth,

170:03

apparently, except he wasn't to Elijah.

170:06

Uh, whenever I see someone on his

170:07

podcast that I know, I text them and let

170:08

them know what's going on. So, I'm not

170:10

doing nothing. I'm not saying he never

170:12

did any of those things, but it

170:14

certainly isn't the way it comes off.

170:16

Um, we also have talked to his board

170:19

individually and together. We've asked

170:20

them to pull him out of ministry at this

170:22

point. They don't want to do that, which

170:24

is which I think is a major mistake.

170:25

Again, my guy who talked to several

170:27

board members, um, one of them said, "I

170:31

didn't even know about this stuff." Um,

170:33

and he says he wasn't on the board. I

170:35

don't know if that's really true because

170:37

the the IRS violinally said he was.

170:39

That's Sean Foy. So, uh, this is weird

170:42

stuff, right? But you realize that

170:43

there's these people who could make a

170:45

difference who simply won't. And that's

170:46

what cover-up culture does. Nobody pulls

170:48

the trigger. They'll talk about it.

170:50

They'll complain about it. They'll

170:52

distance themselves, but they'll never

170:53

pull the trigger and warn the actual

170:55

victims, the future and potential and

170:57

current victims of the person. Those are

170:58

the people they won't warn. Chris went

171:00

out of his way, according to him, to

171:01

warn leaders, to warn the important

171:03

people, but not the normal people, not

171:05

Jubilee Dawn,

171:07

not Elijah Stevens,

171:10

not the thousands and thousands and

171:12

thousands of people that Shawn had given

171:14

words to according to him. So again,

171:16

he's talking about the board, Sean's

171:17

board. We've also talked to his board

171:19

individually and together. We meaning

171:21

what? Probably Bethl, right? Bethl's

171:22

talked to them. We've asked them to pull

171:24

him out of ministry.

171:26

At this point, they don't want to do

171:27

that, which I think is a major mistake.

171:29

But they have official authority to

171:30

remove him. I honestly don't understand

171:32

why they don't. Danny laid out all the

171:34

evidence, all the all the facts and

171:36

evidence. There was a bunch of facts and

171:39

evidence you had four years ago, f

171:42

excuse me, f over five years ago now

171:43

that you had over at least five and a

171:46

half years ago, cuz that's when you were

171:47

doing the confrontation. Minimally five

171:48

and a half, closer to six.

171:51

You had facts and evidence. You were

171:53

asking to be removed from ministry and

171:55

you talk to other leaders about it. Here

171:56

he goes on. He says, "I talked to Chay

171:57

an Ed Silvoso, John Arnot, and the

172:00

Bakers about Shawn. They've all canled

172:02

them from their conferences. Ed Silvoso

172:05

was doing a major event with Shawn in

172:06

California, and he canceled him." Okay,

172:08

but why didn't any of them warn? Cuz how

172:11

do you discern the difference between

172:12

people who were merely protecting

172:13

themselves and those who were protecting

172:15

their people? Well, you you ask, did

172:18

their actions result in the protection

172:20

of individuals or just ministries?

172:27

Then he says, "My take is that God is

172:29

going to deal with him. I wouldn't want

172:30

to be in his shoes."

172:32

Finally, February 1st, 2021,

172:35

the witness is like, "I guess that's

172:37

that's all that's going to happen,

172:38

right?" So, he says, "I trust you,

172:40

Chris, and I take you at your word. It's

172:42

almost been a month and the Bethl store

172:45

still offers Sean's books.

172:50

Chris says, "I'll check. I just got off

172:52

the phone with David Stein, who does all

172:53

the Bethl media stores. Evidently, I

172:55

forgot to tell him, so he'll be pulling

172:56

them down this week. Thanks for the

172:58

reminder. It's been a very busy season

172:59

with a thousand things to do every day.

173:01

I understand, Chris. I have much grace.

173:03

Thanks for letting me know."

173:07

Did Chris think he was guilty?

173:10

I'll come at one second. Did Chris think

173:12

he was guilty? Obviously, yes. You don't

173:15

ask a guy to be pulled out of ministry.

173:16

You don't talk to his board and request

173:18

for them to remove him. You don't ban

173:19

him from your events and tell all your

173:21

team supposedly about what he's done uh

173:24

unless you think he's guilty. And you

173:27

don't say you can't come back unless you

173:28

repent, unless you think he actually has

173:30

something to repent of.

173:32

But we will find a different story being

173:34

told to the public when Chris is

173:37

confronted on it later on. So, here's

173:40

their last conversation. My witness

173:42

reaches out to Chris and says, "Hey, uh,

173:44

Chris, I just saw this weird thing where

173:46

there was a trophy that Bethl had Bethl

173:48

on it and Bethl was giving him a trophy,

173:50

like one of the school of ministries or

173:51

something." And he was upset by this and

173:53

he was like, "I thought you told your

173:55

team about Shawn and yet someone's

173:57

giving him this trophy that says Bethl

173:59

on it and has Shawn Bulls on it about

174:00

like most prophetic." Um, and so he

174:04

reached out and then Chris goes, "This

174:06

is some kind of misunderstanding. this

174:07

is not a Bethl thing. This didn't happen

174:08

at a Bethl school. I don't know what

174:10

this is. Um, and so the guy goes, "Okay,

174:12

fine. I'm glad you cleared that up. I I

174:14

just I thought that it was it looked

174:15

really bad in the picture." So, I'm not

174:17

saying that the picture was real. I

174:18

don't I don't know what it was, right?

174:20

It was something Sean posted on

174:21

Instagram. Um, whether it was really

174:24

Bethl or not Bethl, who let's say it

174:25

wasn't. Here's then the response where

174:28

he says, "Thanks for clearing that up."

174:29

And then Chris tells him, "You need to

174:31

get some help and move on with your

174:32

life.

174:34

I don't know what's going on with you,

174:35

but it feels super unhealthy that you're

174:37

taking the taking on the role of

174:38

policing our movement and trying to warn

174:40

everyone about Shawn.

174:42

It's time for you to move on. Please

174:44

don't contact me anymore about Shawn.

174:48

I've given up trying to be his punisher.

174:50

I'm moving on. Do you want something Do

174:52

you want someone to try to hold him more

174:54

accountable than your do it yourself?

174:58

So eventually he contacts me

175:01

and uh I'm your huckleberry.

175:05

I'll help you. I'll help you hold him

175:06

accountable. Chris will help shout this

175:08

from the rooftop. Me, not just me, not

175:11

remotely, just me. Minor Profits is the

175:13

group that really helped blow the the

175:15

the thing like wide open because they

175:18

were people in the charismatic movement

175:20

who you could tell were reluctantly

175:22

sharing it out. But other people like

175:23

Matthew Hartkey going public, that

175:25

really helped as well. That made a big

175:26

difference. and I'm just going to

175:27

amplify what they've done. Um, and I al

175:30

also have a more witness testimony that

175:32

I get to share than they were able to

175:33

share. So, Chris knows he's guilty,

175:35

right? That's a reasonable conclusion.

175:37

He knows he's guilty. However, when this

175:40

stuff finally goes public, now we're

175:42

going to fast forward. We're going to

175:43

fast forward and look at some stuff on

175:45

Instagram. All right. So, when this

175:46

stuff finally goes public, let's go to

175:48

the Instagram.

175:51

We have this exchange. And this exchange

175:53

is where Chris Valatin starts

175:55

responding. In fact, it's a very rare

175:56

moment where he's actually responding

175:58

openly um on Instagram comments to some

176:01

stuff about Shawn BS. So, January 18th

176:05

approximately, this conversation takes

176:07

place in 2025. This is when it's just

176:09

gotten blown up and people know about

176:11

Shawn. They have seen some of the

176:13

screenshots of the text messages that I

176:15

just showed you. They saw at least some

176:16

of those that went public. I think that

176:18

maybe I'm bringing new ones, I think, uh

176:20

that people haven't seen yet.

176:23

So there's questions like, "Are those

176:24

real text messages? Is this real? Is

176:26

that a real witness? Is this true about

176:28

Shawn that you guys knew and you didn't

176:30

tell people? Like what's going on?" So

176:32

here, Spencer Dalton in all good

176:35

Christian love, and you can tell it's it

176:36

really is. He tries to ask Chris about

176:38

this. He says, "Chris, is there a reason

176:40

you're continuing to not address the

176:42

situation with Shawn BS?" Remember,

176:43

Bethl was silent even after it went

176:45

public. They were very, very slow to be

176:47

speaking to it. or the text messages

176:50

honestly and respectfully asking it

176:52

would do a world of good to help the

176:53

body of Christ process these extremely

176:55

concerning allegations instead of

176:57

leaving them to figure it out for

176:58

themselves without guidance or even

176:59

encouragement. Why remain silent when

177:01

you have such a large voice blessings to

177:03

you, brother? I agree. Just so you know,

177:05

Chris is the guy who knows how to do

177:08

prophecy well. He's the guy who believes

177:10

according to himself in prophetic

177:12

accountability and holding people

177:13

accountable and doing it properly and

177:15

creating the healthy the right

177:16

environment to create a healthy

177:18

prophetic, you know, experimentation.

177:20

This is what Chris is known for.

177:24

Anyways, he responds to Spencer Dalton

177:26

and says, "Always more to the story than

177:27

meets the eye." Wait, what? Didn't you

177:31

just say like you asked his board to

177:32

remove him and you and you you you

177:34

thought they should and it was a mistake

177:35

that they wouldn't. There's more

177:39

What? Well, of course, there's more to a

177:41

story, but what what is the more? So,

177:43

Spencer Dalton replies, "Yes, I'm sure

177:45

there is." Which is why we need men of

177:47

truth to bring clarity and light to the

177:49

situation. Just honestly asking

177:51

questions and trying to get my heart

177:52

around why no one is willing to publicly

177:54

address this because none of the leaders

177:56

did. And they all and they knew. Oh, I'm

177:57

going to show you that they knew. I have

178:00

more evidence of that. It seems like a

178:02

matter of great importance to the church

178:03

at large. Knowing what you know, do you

178:05

believe it's best for the body if this

178:06

remains unresolved? Publicly praying for

178:08

all involved.

178:12

All right. I think Spencer is coming at

178:13

this in a great way. He's clearly

178:15

looking optimistically for movement in

178:18

the right direction here. It's not just

178:19

condemnation. He's he's trying to ask

178:20

for help.

178:22

Chris responds to him and um here, let

178:25

me see if I can boost this a bit.

178:30

Chris responds. It says, "Wisdom is not

178:32

always played out in front of the crowd.

178:34

The crowd demands to know every detail,

178:36

but there are things that are not for

178:37

the crowd. This would be a lot easier if

178:39

you knew me. I believe you trust me."

178:45

That's a weird answer, dude.

178:48

Like either you guys put this on guy on

178:50

stage and promoted him and endorsed him,

178:53

right? Thoroughly

178:57

and he was fake and you should come out

178:59

and tell everybody or or not. And then

179:01

why did Bill go and endorse the guy just

179:03

recently on TBN?

179:06

What is going on? What do you mean

179:08

wisdom is not always played out in front

179:09

of the crowd? Right now folly is being

179:11

played out in front of the crowd. This

179:12

is weird. This is a really weird

179:14

response. So Spencer responds, "Man, I

179:16

love you, bro. But I just don't see the

179:18

body of Christ as the crowd. I agree so

179:21

much. And I don't see a sincere cry for

179:23

clarity and truth as demanding every

179:24

detail. Right. This is he's gaslighting

179:27

them when he says that they're de

179:28

demanding every detail.

179:30

I'm honestly at a loss for words. I

179:32

believe it's essential for the for

179:33

church leaders to earn the trust of the

179:35

church by transparency and raw honesty.

179:37

My generation is done with the two-tier

179:39

system of justice where public sin is

179:41

covered up privately

179:43

where ministry abuse from the stage is

179:46

dealt with in the back rooms.

179:48

I agree 100%. Listen, if Shambles fake

179:51

prophesied from a stage, then from as an

179:53

equally large stage or platform, it must

179:55

be called out. That's just the

179:56

appropriate response.

180:02

I don't know you, but I love you,

180:03

brother. And I urge you to please

180:05

consider for the sake of all those

180:06

who've been impacted, influenced,

180:08

harmed, and affected by Shawn. So by

180:11

Shawn to please speak on this in the

180:13

presence of every believer so that we as

180:15

the church may find healing and

180:16

restoration for the damage done. People

180:18

were harmed in public. Let the healing

180:21

be done in public. True that. True that.

180:26

Very, very true. All right. Chris

180:29

responds again. He says to Spencer, "Do

180:32

you know for a fact Shawn did this? And

180:34

this is the most egregious thing, Chris.

180:36

I can't believe I cannot believe you

180:38

said this.

180:40

There are only two options for what I'm

180:42

about to read. One, a bunch more data

180:44

came out that made you think Sean's

180:46

really innocent. Or two, you are you're

180:50

doing a bad thing."

180:53

I think it's number two.

180:56

My I'm going to give you conjecture,

180:57

guys. This is total conjecture. Maybe

180:59

it's wrong. I don't think it is. I think

181:01

that Bill Johnson was still wanting to

181:03

be in Sean's corner and Chris Valatin

181:05

tried to fall in line so that privately

181:07

he could chew him out all he wanted, but

181:08

publicly they couldn't say anything. And

181:10

so even now this public thing, he's

181:12

trying to spin. He's trying to balance

181:14

and get on the fence.

181:16

So he says, "Do you know for sure for a

181:18

fact that Sean did this? Are you 100%

181:21

sure he's guilty?" Actually, you only

181:23

have to be convinced beyond a reasonable

181:24

doubt. Have you seen the evidence? Well,

181:27

no, Chris, because you have the evidence

181:28

and you won't show it to people. You

181:30

have a packet of information you've

181:31

received. You've talked to witnesses.

181:32

You have a recording of one of his

181:33

victims. You You're the one withholding

181:35

the evidence. So, when you ask the

181:37

people, "Do you have the evidence that

181:38

you wouldn't let them see?" I I uh try

181:42

to petition Bethl, if you don't if you

181:44

want to say you're on the fence and you

181:45

don't know if he's guilty or not, just

181:47

release the packet of info you got back

181:49

in 2017 with all the list of words and

181:52

the things that were found on Facebook

181:53

cuz it was all right there. How about

181:54

you just release it if it's so uncertain

181:56

and so in the air? Just make it public.

181:58

Huh? Because all of his prophecies are

182:00

public.

182:01

No. So, have you seen the evidence? No.

182:03

No, Chris. He hasn't seen the evidence.

182:05

He hasn't seen the evidence because you

182:06

guys covered it up. Or are you listening

182:08

to people on social media? I mean,

182:10

Chris, you're on social media, just so

182:11

you know, right now. That's a That's

182:14

such a weird passive aggressive

182:15

statement to make. You're listening to

182:16

people on social media is a mixed bag.

182:19

There's plenty of bad. There's plenty of

182:20

good, but you can't just ignore people

182:22

because they're on social media. Where

182:23

does Shawn focus his ministry? On social

182:25

media. Where do the majority of people

182:26

who listen to Bethl listen to them on

182:28

social media. Where does Chris impact

182:30

the most people on a regular basis? On

182:33

social media. It's just so weird. As far

182:36

as I know, it's alleged

182:39

that's that's a lie.

182:41

I I I don't know. I I don't know what

182:43

else to call this except that is a

182:44

bold-faced lie from Chris Valatin in a

182:46

in a very important issue that is it

182:49

appears um

182:52

to try to do some kind of damage control

182:54

play some weird game with the body of

182:55

Christ. He says as far as I know it's

182:57

alleged and last I heard Shawn hasn't

182:59

admitted to anything. Actually Shawn has

183:01

denied it publicly

183:04

and maybe more facts have come out. I

183:05

haven't followed the situation for years

183:07

if he's guilty and refused to deal with

183:09

it with his sin in private. Yikes. It's

183:12

a terrible thing to fall into the hands

183:13

of the living God. So sad he used to be

183:15

my friend

183:17

if he's guilty. If he refused to deal

183:19

with his sin. What did Chris tell the

183:21

actual victim? One of the victims of

183:22

Shawn. He was like, "He won't he's not

183:24

going to clean up his mess. I'm sorry.

183:25

We were going to try to bring

183:26

restoration, you know, but we have no

183:28

authority over him. There's nothing else

183:29

we can do. Anybody who asks us, we tell

183:31

them the truth about Shawn. This guy

183:33

asked you, you lied.

183:37

How many other times has this happened?

183:42

He goes on and he says, "Thank you for

183:44

caring so deeply. I care too."

183:47

Somebody else says, "Exactly why so many

183:49

of us are looking to you to enlighten

183:50

us." Right? Because he's seen the

183:52

evidence. He he and he says it right

183:53

here. He goes, "I saw the evidence. I

183:54

spent days examining it. I talked to

183:56

Sean for hours." Well, wait. So, is it

183:59

as far as you know, it's alleged or is

184:01

it I saw the evidence? Is it have you

184:03

seen the evidence? Are you sure

184:04

convinced? Or is it uh I I saw the

184:06

evidence. I talked to Sean for hours. Or

184:08

is it I haven't followed the situation

184:10

for years. I don't really know for sure

184:11

what's going on with that stuff. Or is

184:12

it like we talked to his board and we

184:14

told them to remove him. You you guys

184:16

see what happens when people actually

184:18

come forward and share the things that

184:19

they know, the evidence that they

184:20

actually have and you find out that this

184:22

has been a house of cards for a long

184:23

time.

184:25

For a long time. Well, the conversation

184:27

does continue on on Instagram and I

184:30

think Chris is he should stop using

184:32

social media to be honest. He should

184:34

just have pre-planned posts and not just

184:36

share what he thinks because Chris just

184:38

says stuff. I'm glad he did though. Um

184:42

Spencer says um

184:45

replying to someone else. Exactly. True

184:47

shepherds don't remain silent while

184:48

wolves are in the midst of the flock.

184:52

That's right. So if you have a coverup

184:54

culture and you have leaders who refuse

184:56

to call things out like that dad who

184:58

wouldn't tell his daughter about Shawn

185:01

whereas while his family have been being

185:03

tugof-war because of a fake prophecy

185:05

that Shawn gave them. When you have

185:06

things like this you have to wonder is

185:09

there a lack of protective capacity that

185:11

you have towards the people that trust

185:13

you and sadly it is it is the case. Then

185:17

there's one more response here from

185:19

somebody else who says, "Hey, Chris."

185:20

Basically, he says, "Chris, if it's the

185:22

case that you examine the evidence and

185:24

believe now that these are just

185:25

allegations and nothing more, as seems

185:27

to be from this comment thread, then why

185:29

not just say so in so many words? Why

185:31

not make a clear statement? There are

185:32

screenshots of text messages with your

185:34

name on them. If they aren't authentic,

185:36

just say so. Just be like, "Hey, these

185:38

screenshots that Mike Winger is just

185:40

showing right now, hey, these are

185:41

they're not real. Those aren't real

185:42

screenshots. Just tell us that if that's

185:43

the case." Bethl gave Shawn BS an

185:45

international platform and Bethl insists

185:47

on being a ministry with international

185:49

reach. A reach that includes Shawn if he

185:51

was or is a fraud. This is just as much

185:54

Bethl's responsibility. Don't

185:56

unnecessarily leave people in confusion.

186:01

The only response I have left from that

186:02

from Chris responding to what Spencer

186:04

said earlier about true shepherds. He

186:05

says, "So Shawn is a wolf and I'm not a

186:07

true shepherd." Okay, case closed.

186:13

He's just being a punk now. He's just

186:15

being a punk.

186:18

Chris, you are exposed to now. I am

186:21

shocked.

186:23

I'm shocked. As far as you know, it's

186:25

alleged. That is a lie.

186:28

If something has come out, where where's

186:30

that evidence that oh no, it turns out

186:31

it wasn't true? Turns out that all these

186:33

victims and all these witnesses that we

186:35

have access to that we know about turns

186:37

it wasn't true. Well, then why did why

186:38

don't you redeem the guy and come out

186:40

publicly and tell him?

186:46

You might think maybe more evidence did

186:48

come out, Mike. I I think that's

186:49

plausible. You know, Chris may, let's be

186:51

gracious to him. He may have just found

186:53

more evidence um after his initial

186:55

interventions and after his final

186:56

statements to the witness telling him,

186:59

"Leave me alone. Don't talk to me

187:00

anymore about Shawn." Um that between

187:02

then and now, he came out with saw more

187:04

evidence and changed his mind and was

187:05

like, "Wow, I'm really on the fence now.

187:07

Here's why I don't think that's true.

187:09

Because he says in his conversation on

187:13

uh Instagram, let me put it back on your

187:15

screen. You guys may have already picked

187:17

up on this. I think it's very important.

187:19

Earlier this year in January, he says,

187:22

"As far as I know, it's alleged and last

187:23

I heard, Shawn hasn't admitted to

187:25

anything. Maybe more facts have come

187:27

out. I haven't followed the situation

187:30

for years." Later, he goes on to say

187:33

that he saw the evidence years ago and

187:36

he talked with Shawn and examined

187:37

everything. So, this means that the only

187:40

way in which he could believe that it's

187:41

alleged is if he believed it was alleged

187:44

years ago when he was telling the actual

187:48

victim, "Oh, I'm cutting Sean off and no

187:51

one can work with him and our whole team

187:52

knows about it and I'm answering anybody

187:53

who asks me and I'm warning people and

187:55

telling people don't go on his podcast

187:56

and I'm doing all this stuff." But

187:58

publicly, that's not what he did. In

188:00

other words, I don't trust a word of

188:01

what he said to that person privately

188:03

because the if the public actions don't

188:05

match the private conversations, they're

188:06

meaningless. This is the key of coverup

188:08

culture. If the public actions do not

188:11

match the private asurances,

188:14

then then those assurances don't mean

188:16

anything. They don't mean anything.

188:18

Okay, I forgot I still had one more

188:19

screenshot from that uh Instagram back

188:21

and forth. And I don't know of any other

188:22

back and forth Chris Valatin has had on

188:24

this topic. It was actually a real gem

188:26

that we found this one because it

188:27

reveals the truth. reveals the truth

188:29

about the public versus private

188:30

conversations. But here another person

188:34

responds, Eric Austin says uh to Chris,

188:36

"Oh man, I've loved you for years and

188:38

still do, but that that response is

188:41

really disappointing and troubling with

188:42

all the faulty leadership issues that

188:44

are coming to light in the body in

188:45

general right now." I mean, there was no

188:47

problem with a public statement being

188:48

made over Jason Westerfield's error. So

188:50

why this? Um Jason Westerfield famously

188:53

is the one person Bill Johnson actually

188:56

rebuked from the pulpit.

188:58

Um, and then people think, "Oh, that's

189:00

proof that Bill's willing to do that." I

189:01

don't think he had a choice. I think he

189:02

had to because of what Westerville was

189:04

doing in their church to their own

189:05

people. Bill had to speak to it because,

189:08

uh, he was it was it was demonic. It was

189:10

demonic. U, it was really sick. Um, but

189:13

that's the one time, the only time that

189:15

I'm aware of or anybody I've talked to

189:16

is aware of where Bill actually called

189:18

somebody out. But here's the thing.

189:20

Their movement has been full of people

189:21

they should have called out for

189:22

generations.

189:24

And it's its status quo is to never call

189:26

out anybody. You can call out the

189:27

underlings. You can call out the low

189:28

people. You can call you don't call out

189:30

the leadership. You don't call out the

189:31

movers and shakers. That's the thing.

189:33

You don't call out Kenneth Copeland. You

189:34

don't call out Beni Hen. Certainly not.

189:37

So Chris responds, "Last response we

189:39

have from him on on Instagram." Lesson

189:41

number one thing I learned years ago.

189:44

You will never please the crowd. I never

189:46

let the crowd tell me how to pastor

189:48

people. Many people fail who aren't

189:50

wolves, including Peter.

189:53

This seems to be implying that Shawn is

189:55

not a wolf, right? That's seems making a

189:56

case that Sean's not a wolf. Like he's

189:58

defending Shawn now. That's what's

189:59

happening. Three, if the accusations

190:02

against Shawn are true, there are many

190:04

more like him. We've caught three others

190:06

and pulled them all out of the ministry.

190:09

What?

190:11

What

190:13

if if it's true? There's many more like

190:15

it. Now, this is this is I talked to

190:17

somebody who was in leadership in the

190:19

charismatic church in a church you would

190:21

know. And they told me that if they

190:24

really did pull the cuz I told them,

190:26

"You guys need to pull the trigger on

190:27

all the people you know that are

190:28

faking." If there's people who uh have

190:31

sin issues, you may be able to work with

190:32

them. You may be able to help a pastor

190:33

recover if he's if he's if he's like

190:34

teetering on the edge, if he's he's like

190:36

half fallen or something. There's times

190:38

where you recover and you don't go and

190:39

blast that to everybody. But when the

190:40

guy's persisting and he won't and he

190:42

won't change. And also

190:45

when they're fraudulently praying upon

190:48

the people of God with fake miracles and

190:50

lying in God's name, you there's no

190:52

wiggle room on that. You have to go

190:53

public on that. You have to warn. You

190:55

don't have to warn the whole world. You

190:56

have to warn everybody he's influencing

190:58

which might be the whole world like as

190:59

with Sean or it might be the local

191:01

church. But they've caught three others

191:02

and there's a lot of them. And this is

191:04

what this is what the guy told me. He

191:05

said, "Mike, if we did this, if we

191:06

actually called this stuff out whenever

191:08

we see it, it would be devastating. It

191:11

would be a lot of people.

191:13

I believe that. And this is here where

191:15

Chris admits it, too. If the accusations

191:17

against Shawn are true, there are many

191:19

more like him. We've caught three others

191:21

and pulled them all out of ministry.

191:23

Yeah. So, they do sometimes pull people

191:24

out of ministry, and this makes them

191:25

feel like they're they're doing good. Do

191:27

they do they warn people about them? Is

191:29

there accountability? I know of another

191:30

person who was doing these same fake

191:32

words of knowledge at Bethl and was

191:34

busted for it and uh was caught for it.

191:36

Uh, and there was no public statement

191:38

made even though they were doing it

191:39

using media and using Bethl resources to

191:42

try to reach people. Uh, there was no

191:44

accountability for it. Nobody knew why

191:46

they got pulled out. They just got

191:47

pulled out silently, which sounds like

191:49

self-p protection to me.

191:51

I'll read on the rest of this message

191:53

here from Chris. Unfortunately, social

191:56

media has made it easy to embellish

191:58

their ministries. So very sad.

192:00

Thankfully, one of them has repented and

192:01

cleaned up his mess. Maybe he has, maybe

192:03

he hasn't. I don't trust you, Chris.

192:05

There are many other leaders who have

192:06

major issues who are leading

192:11

major. What do you mean by major issues?

192:14

Bethl has become a place for them to

192:15

come and get well and whole. Uh most of

192:18

them remmerge healthy noble leaders.

192:21

We've got to talk about that for a

192:22

second. That claim Bethl is known as a

192:26

place where fallen ministers go and they

192:29

and they get re reinstated. They get

192:31

restored. They're known to be that

192:32

place. Todd Bentley went to Bethl to get

192:34

reinstated after he was incredibly

192:36

horribly evil. Like, look it up. Google

192:39

Todd Bentley and anything else and

192:42

you're going to find it. Um, they're

192:44

known for restoring people. They brought

192:45

Bob Jones back into ministry stuff,

192:47

right? They're known for this, but I

192:50

don't I don't trust them and I don't

192:52

think you should trust them either. He

192:53

says most of them reemerge healthy,

192:55

noble leaders, but the example of say um

192:58

Bob Hartley is not that. It's that he

193:00

just continued his predations and he

193:03

kind of went quiet for a while and he

193:05

started getting more integrated. I have

193:06

a video on Bob Heartley I just did and

193:07

Bethl and how that they did not handle

193:09

that properly and it was finally Bob's

193:11

son who went public and another woman

193:14

who tried to get Bethl to go public.

193:16

They they tried to get Bethl to go

193:17

public. They wouldn't. So they finally

193:19

went public to warn people about Bob

193:20

because he would fake prophecy and use

193:21

it to get women into the bedroom

193:24

and more and worse stuff. Do most of

193:27

them

193:29

do most of them emerge healthy leaders?

193:32

Do we believe that? I don't believe

193:34

that. I wonder. Now, some of them do.

193:37

And I don't want to Here's the thing. I

193:38

don't want to make this video and have

193:39

you guys thinking everybody who has ever

193:41

been restored through Bethl, it wasn't

193:43

real. That is not the case. All it means

193:46

is I can't take Bethl's word for it.

193:48

That's all it means. I I can't just take

193:50

their word for it. I need to assess it

193:52

through other means to be thoughtful and

193:53

careful and make sure that everybody is

193:55

being taken care of and protected

193:56

properly. That's what we need to do. So

193:58

Chris, we see from his his porative use

194:00

of the term the crowd when he has people

194:02

begging him to be a spiritual father and

194:05

take care of things. Um we know that he

194:07

doesn't like warning the crowd. So I'm

194:09

going to tell you now about I'm going to

194:10

call them Bob and Sally. Okay, here's a

194:12

new section of the video. The Bob and

194:14

Sally saga.

194:22

Bob and Sally were a couple that was

194:24

very well off and they had the

194:26

beginnings of this business that was

194:27

skyrocketing like you know crazy crazy

194:30

money that that was the direction that

194:32

it was heading. That is very attractive

194:35

to the prophet crowd. Not all of them.

194:38

There are some people who are prophetic

194:39

who are godly and humble and

194:41

Christloving and sincere and I think

194:43

that God works in their lives. So, but

194:46

I'm talking about Mike Bickl and Sean BS

194:48

and Emma Stark and Stacy Campbell and

194:50

those guys that they love the rich big

194:53

moneybags guys that they can prophesy

194:54

to. Sincere Christians who love Jesus

194:56

and just happen to have a load of cash.

194:59

All of a sudden, you get special words

195:00

of knowledge for those people. These are

195:02

these are what I would consider Sean's

195:03

special friends who he still gives words

195:04

words to. I'll bet you he's looking

195:06

their data up, giving them a special

195:08

word. The Lord show me uh something uh

195:12

blue. Something blue. And and it's and

195:15

you were you were you were you were

195:17

trying to dodge it, but you couldn't.

195:19

Oh, you bought a new blue Dodge. Oh, I

195:21

don't know. How did I know this? The

195:22

Lord. Yeah. I mean, is it that um and

195:25

you know, God's called me to to to

195:27

expand my ministry. I need $60 million.

195:31

Yeah. Special words of prophecy for the

195:33

rich people. That's what you get. Now,

195:34

these guys are rich. Bob and Sally,

195:36

they're in the rich category at the

195:37

time. So, Mike Bickl, Shawn BS, Emma

195:40

Stark, and Stacy Campbell are all

195:42

courting them. That's how I understand

195:43

from based on their story. Now, they

195:45

I've met with them. I've talked with

195:46

them a couple times um multiple times.

195:48

And here's the story they tell.

195:50

According to them, Mike Bickl wanted to

195:52

build another wing onto his Wagner

195:54

school. This is before Bickl was

195:55

exposed. And so, he wanted them to move

195:57

to Kansas City. He wants them to move in

196:00

with him. Bob and Sally, come here. This

196:01

is the place I believe God is calling

196:02

you. And they spent three days with

196:04

Bickl. Bickl, how often does Mike Bickle

196:06

spend three days with anybody? Well,

196:07

they were the money bags. They get the

196:09

special treatment. Three days with just

196:10

them. hours and hours of time with Mike.

196:13

He walks them through the whole

196:14

prophetic history of the International

196:15

House of Prayer, Kansas City. And it's

196:18

hours and hours of a lot of madeup stuff

196:20

and it and he tells them, "They're

196:22

generals. You're generals in our story.

196:24

You're part of this story, too. You're

196:25

generals." And he had them send bios of

196:28

their kids over to Mike so he could

196:29

learn all about their kids and get

196:31

connected to them regularly. And he was

196:33

texting with all of them. And they

196:34

called him Uncle Mike. His kids called

196:36

him Uncle Mike. There at the end of the

196:39

three days they spent together, Mike

196:40

gave them a special prophetic word. He

196:42

prophesied that they would make billions

196:44

of dollars, which did not come to pass.

196:46

That they would be massive business

196:48

leaders, which has not come to pass. And

196:50

that they gave a significant amount of

196:52

money to Mike Bickl because that's what

196:55

you're supposed to do. It feels like the

196:57

right thing and the way he talks and the

196:58

stories he tells and you feel like

196:59

you're a general and this is how I

197:01

serve. And so they gave him significant

197:02

amount of money. Chayon also was

197:05

courting them. It seems Chayon wanted

197:07

them to move to HRock in Pasadena.

197:09

That's his church, Pasadena, not too far

197:11

from me. I should go say hi to Chay.

197:14

So, he wanted them to move to HR. Emma

197:16

Stark wanted them to move to where she

197:17

lives. And Shawn BS wanted them to move

197:21

where he lives in California.

197:24

He gave them a prophetic word of

197:25

knowledge when they first met that they

197:26

now believe was just he googled their

197:29

last name and saw it on Wikipedia. So,

197:31

he gave I have the recording of this

197:32

prophetic word. I've heard the

197:33

recording. Um, and it was just what it

197:36

was the information from Wikipedia. They

197:37

weren't even sure what it meant when it

197:39

was given. They just kind of nodded and

197:40

were like, "Oh." And then when they

197:40

looked it up later, they were like,

197:41

"Dude, that's just what Wikipedia says."

197:44

And he confirmed before he gave him the

197:45

word, he goes, "Is this how you spell

197:46

your last name?" And they go, "Yes." And

197:48

he goes, "Oh." And then he gives them

197:49

the word. Because he was probably trying

197:50

to make sure that he looked up the right

197:52

last name that the spelling was accurate

197:54

cuz he doesn't want another uh 105

197:56

slaughter house to happen to him. Stacy

197:59

Campbell also wanted them to move out to

198:01

where she is in uh Santa Clarita to to

198:04

her healing rooms. There was a prophetic

198:06

tugof-war over these rich people and I

198:08

think that rich people experience this a

198:09

lot in these movements. And of course

198:12

you do. Of course there's, you know,

198:14

when you have a lot of money, people

198:15

will be interested in you because of

198:16

your money. It's like with online you

198:18

have a lot of followers, people are

198:19

interested in you because of your

198:20

followers, not because of any other

198:21

reason. It's weird. It creates weird

198:24

unreal social relationships sometimes.

198:26

And I don't like any of that stuff. But

198:29

when you add the prophetic element to it

198:31

and you add, "Oh, I'm giving you a

198:32

special word of prophecy and God's

198:34

calling you to do this." It becomes a

198:35

highly manipulated spiritual abuse of

198:38

rich people from these leaders. And that

198:41

is what I believe happened. This is an

198:43

audio recording though I'm going to

198:45

share with you now. Never before heard.

198:47

Nobody's heard this really. Uh not

198:49

publicly. This audio recording is that

198:52

rich couple. There's a prophetic

198:54

tugof-war going on and Stacy Campbell is

198:56

in the car with them and she is going to

198:58

warn them about Shawn BS cuz what Shawn

199:00

wants them to move out to him. Stacy

199:02

wants them to move out to her. Everybody

199:03

wants them to move. They're the popular

199:05

kids right now. So Bob and Sally are

199:08

very popular. Now she gives him a

199:10

warning. Now this is very important.

199:12

This comes from 2022,

199:14

September or October. Keep in mind that

199:16

Bethl has postured as though these

199:18

things may or may not really be true.

199:19

Who knows for sure? Only the Lord knows.

199:21

This is what behind the scenes they

199:23

knew. They knew very well what was true.

199:25

So listen to this warning from Stacy

199:26

Campbell and she tells you a whole bunch

199:29

of stuff. Um and I'll let it play. I may

199:31

pause it here and there. We'll see.

199:32

>> Wolves is utterly and totally dangerous

199:38

because he doesn't tell the truth.

199:41

So

199:44

this is from Chris Valatin

199:48

who I know because a an issue came up

199:51

from one of Shan Boltz's

199:54

from Shawn Boltz's

199:57

that was very alarming

200:01

and finally he couldn't take it so he

200:03

told Patricia King who told Chay and who

200:08

told Chris Valatin

200:11

And

200:14

uh

200:17

I and Chris Valatin because Bethl was

200:21

very involved with John Wols because

200:24

there everybody is believing for this

200:26

greater

200:28

works than Jesus has done type of

200:31

prophetic that is in the Bible doing

200:33

these things. And

200:35

>> this is what I talk about revival

200:36

culture. Um, some I could use a more

200:38

technical term and call this the latter

200:40

rain movement or the belief that there

200:41

is going to be this incredible um,

200:43

spiritual transformation. You guys have

200:45

to understand this context to get the

200:46

full meaning of what you just heard.

200:48

There's going to be this amazing

200:49

Pentecost 2.0. That's what Brian Simmons

200:51

calls it. Pentecost 2.0. We're going to

200:53

do greater works than Jesus. We're going

200:55

to do greater works than even the

200:56

apostles. It'll be what what the church

200:57

was always meant to be. This is what

200:59

Bethl's always marching towards. So when

201:02

you have this need and you've been

201:03

preaching this to your people and you

201:04

get a faker like Sean, he's extremely

201:07

useful in stirring up your crowd and

201:09

getting people to flock to your church.

201:11

They're going to move to your fellowship

201:12

because this is the hot spot where it's

201:14

happening.

201:16

So that sets the stage for why he was so

201:19

important. uh why they were so hopeful

201:21

about Shawn, why they were so ready to

201:23

receive and promote him because they

201:25

have an unbiblical expectation

201:27

prophetically about the future of the

201:29

Christian church that leaves them open

201:31

and they teach this to their people.

201:32

Leaves them more open to frauds,

201:34

spiritual frauds. I I hope that that

201:35

makes sense. I do believe that that's

201:36

very important to understand. All right,

201:38

let's let's go back to the recording.

201:40

The bottom line so far is everybody

201:42

knew. Everybody knew. Patricia King,

201:44

that recording I told you about, guess

201:46

what? It was real. A separate witness

201:48

came to me and gave me this completely

201:50

independently where they're admitting

201:52

it. Patricia King knew, Chayon knew,

201:54

Chris Valatin knew. Guess what? This was

201:56

not secret. Well, it was secret to us,

201:58

not to the elites.

201:59

>> We're in that era where I think it's

202:01

going to start, but there's always a

202:03

burnt earth prior to. And so

202:08

uh

202:10

um

202:13

so on Monday,

202:14

>> she's looking through her phone, I

202:15

believe, here looking for specific

202:16

messages so she could read them out loud

202:18

between her and Chris. August 22nd, I

202:21

reached out to Chris because I know so

202:24

Chris so Shawn Boltz is

202:28

who traveled with Sean Bolts

202:32

um told these gross stories

202:35

of

202:37

sexual immorality

202:40

of Shawn Bolts

202:42

and that when he traveled with Shawn

202:45

Bolts,

202:47

Shawn Bolts would.

202:50

>> Yeah, you're going to hear it uh very

202:52

clearly here. Um

202:54

I'm not going to censor out what she's

202:56

about to say. So now what you're going

202:57

to hear from Stacy Campbell, she's

202:59

alleging these things are true. And I

203:01

think that when you combine this

203:02

together with all the other evidence

203:03

we've seen, it really raises the

203:05

credibility of all of it. All of it

203:06

being true. Right? There's what you

203:09

don't hear from any of the leaders or

203:10

the text messages or the conversations

203:12

is anybody saying that Sean's actually

203:14

innocent. No. What you see is them

203:17

responding as though they believed it

203:18

was real. Now, I'm not going to censor

203:21

this. I'm just going to play it as is.

203:23

There's going to be some descriptive

203:25

stuff in here a little bit. Um, so you

203:27

guys should be aware.

203:28

>> Masturbate in front of him.

203:31

It made him very uncomfortable

203:34

and

203:36

and

203:38

walk naked in front of him, you know, to

203:40

not wear clothes and he's a guy. And so

203:45

finally he couldn't take it and he went

203:47

and told other leaders because he didn't

203:50

know what to do.

203:53

Patricia reached out and told you know

203:56

tried to talk to Shawn. Sean would not

203:58

talk to her. So she talked to Chay and

204:02

Chase said because Shawn said I'm under

204:06

Chay's leadership. So don't talk to

204:10

Chris because they were having an

204:11

irregularity.

204:13

and Sean um said to Chris, "I'm not

204:18

under Bethl, I'm under Chay."

204:21

And Chay tried to talk to him that it

204:24

didn't go. So I said, "Okay,

204:27

here's the back and forth as I

204:28

understand it um from talking to

204:31

witnesses apart from this recording was

204:33

that um the initial thing was Patricia

204:37

thought, "Yeah, Chay's going to do this.

204:40

He'll take care of it." And according to

204:41

Stacy Campbell, Sean says, "I'm under

204:43

him. That's who I'm under." And it

204:45

didn't go. I don't know what that means.

204:48

Um, then Chay says, "You should have

204:50

Chris do." And I'm actually going to

204:51

share with you guys a screenshot. I'll

204:53

I'll just share it now. Um,

204:56

screenshot from Patricia King emailing

204:59

one of the victims. And she says on

205:02

April 7th of 2020, "I'm so sorry to hear

205:05

about this. I'm not sure I can help any

205:07

more than I have." This is when Bethl's

205:10

currently investigating Shawn and stuff.

205:12

He says, "Chris told me that there are

205:13

guys working with Shawn. I think he

205:15

mentioned Danny Silk and one other maybe

205:17

Bob Hassel, which I think she means Bob

205:18

Hassan who was on Sean's board and

205:20

co-authored a book with him. Um,

205:23

should you try to communicate directly

205:25

with Chris sharing your disappointment,

205:28

which ultimately he he did? From what I

205:30

understand, Shawn has not offered you an

205:32

apology. So, if this is being dealt

205:33

with, I believe that would be a first

205:35

step for Shawn's turnaround. That might

205:36

be a place where you could start. She's

205:38

giving him advice, but he's looking for

205:39

someone to be a voice. I honestly don't

205:42

know what else I can do. Right? You you

205:43

you make a video and you say, "Hey guys,

205:45

here's what I found out."

205:48

And then you add your credibility and

205:50

the strength of your testimony to these

205:51

people who are ultimately relatively

205:53

powerless in your movement. You said, "I

205:56

recorded your story and submitted it to

205:58

Shay who uh who told me to connect with

206:01

Chris. I CC Chay into my emails to and

206:03

from Chris. Chris said he had guys

206:05

assigned. I'm deeply saddened.

206:08

Uh, in the private conversation, it's

206:09

very much like, uh, I care about you.

206:11

I'm concerned about you. I want you to

206:13

do well. In the public, actual things.

206:16

Um, nobody nobody publicly called him

206:19

out. So, it's not as though there was

206:21

there was like a callous, I don't care

206:23

about what you're going through. That

206:24

wasn't said. There was just coverup

206:27

culture prevents them from taking any

206:28

actual actions

206:31

to be a voice for the victims. That's

206:33

the problem. It takes them, it keeps

206:35

them from speaking aloud to the people

206:38

who hate, who they assisted in deceiving

206:40

so that they might come out of those

206:41

deceptions because that would hurt the

206:44

prophetic movement worldwide supposedly.

206:47

Okay. So, she goes on, she reached out

206:48

Monday, August 22nd.

206:50

>> Reached out on Monday, August 22nd. So,

206:53

this was over a year ago. I've known

206:54

this baby too. And I said, "Has there

206:57

been and so Chris Valatin flew." So, I

207:00

know this from Chris's direct mouth. He

207:04

said, "I flew

207:06

to Shawn Boltz I on my own dime and I

207:10

spent the entire day saying Shawn and

207:13

Shawn denied everything and basically

207:16

tried to make the other guy a liar."

207:19

But the other guy was so broken. And to

207:22

have a Christian leader masturbating in

207:24

the same room as you and walking naked,

207:29

you know, I mean, that is

207:32

while you're in the room with him. So on

207:34

August 22nd, I reached out to Chris and

207:36

said, "Has there been any restoration

207:38

with Shawn Bolts?" Because Chris, their

207:42

great desire is always to restore fall

207:45

miners. again that great desire

207:49

it it has frequently or at least in my

207:52

opinion number of times turned into

207:55

reenabling abusers. So this this desire

207:57

the Bethl has to restore fallen leaders

207:59

which itself is a good desire.

208:02

It doesn't play out without coverup

208:04

culture. That's the problem.

208:08

Let me get smaller.

208:11

All right. And it's part of the history

208:13

of Shiloh that when they fall

208:17

and Shawn was directly under Paul King

208:21

who also

208:23

was accused of homosexual acts

208:27

and the Haitian groups took him in and

208:30

put somebody on him day and night.

208:33

>> Paul Kane was accused of specifically

208:35

targeting his employees with homosexual

208:38

behaviors.

208:42

Think about that.

208:44

>> So that he could not sin again.

208:46

Because once a person has been abused by

208:49

a person in authority that they look up

208:51

to, they're devastated for the rest of

208:53

their life. Like it is like

208:57

and so Chris response from Chris. This

209:01

is just the text I will then send you.

209:04

Hi Chris. Has there been any restoration

209:06

with Shawn? This is definitely not

209:09

Shawn. I said, "Okay, thank you so much.

209:11

I appreciate you responding because I

209:14

know that Shawn is now being asked by

209:16

Georgian, etc., but Chris said Shawn

209:19

will never come to Bethl again because

209:22

of his lack of humility and repentance."

209:26

>> Chris also said, "As far as I know, it's

209:28

alleged."

209:32

So, this Georgian Banov guy, this is a

209:34

guy that invited Shawn to speak. This is

209:36

after these things were known. Uh, and

209:38

everybody in their circles, their

209:39

leadership circles, they're all like

209:40

telling each other about it, you know,

209:42

and Chris is supposedly warning warning

209:43

a lot of people. Um, George and Banov

209:46

was was scheduling Sean to still speak

209:47

at this prophetic training event. I'll

209:49

I'll share more about in a minute.

209:51

>> And then this is the next one

209:55

from his email. So I sent him an email

209:57

cuz I didn't know he got my

210:05

question.

210:07

So Julie,

210:21

Julie asked me

210:24

because she sent me the email where

210:26

Georgia was having come to a conference.

210:30

She said, "Has there been any

210:32

>> um this is the conference

210:38

per their website, Shawn did end up

210:40

speaking at this George and Banov

210:41

conference in March and April of 2023.

210:44

It was several weeks long along with

210:46

Stacy Campbell and many others, Heidi

210:49

Baker, James Gaul, Barbie breathe it.

210:53

Right now, I'm not saying all these guys

210:55

knew about Certainly some of them did.

210:58

Certainly some of them did. Certainly

211:00

Stacy Campbell did. She went and did the

211:03

same conference. The same conference

211:04

that she's like, "Ah, George is still

211:06

going to have him." Shawn Bulls is

211:08

dangerous. He's d she's warning the rich

211:10

people because she wants their wallets,

211:12

I think. And yet there is no warning

211:14

that goes out to the rest of the people

211:16

at that conference like they're not that

211:18

important.

211:21

Insane.

211:23

>> Restoration Sean.

211:25

Let me check.

211:32

Hi Chris.

211:45

Chris.

211:48

Hi Chris. I was wondering if there's

211:51

been any updates

211:57

with

212:02

and anyway

212:06

difficult to tell if there's only one

212:08

car but essentially and I can like read

212:12

them all. He said no. He said but

212:16

definitely not Sean. He said, "As far as

212:19

I'm concerned, Sean Holmes is a

212:21

deceiver, and I will not have a back

212:24

where I'm trusting. And so, I'm

212:27

concerned for you because I love you.

212:29

I'm giving you the warning that he's

212:32

dangerous. His behavior is bad.

212:36

He's been caught red-handed.

212:41

He's unrepentant."

212:42

>> I got to remind you guys, this is

212:45

September or October of 2022. It was

212:47

less than a year later. It was like

212:50

March or something maybe of 2023 when

212:53

Bill Johnson went and endorsed Shawn's

212:55

book and Shawn on TBN.

212:57

>> But you wrote that this was one of the

212:59

most exciting books that you had read.

213:01

Why was that?

213:02

>> Um, well, the book by itself is

213:04

incredible. Knowing the life that backs

213:06

it up adds a a power to it because it's

213:09

so it's so practical. It's it's what you

213:12

dream of. It's like if if you could see

213:15

if you could have a perfect relationship

213:17

with the Lord and see its impact on

213:19

humanity, that's what it would look

213:21

like.

213:22

>> Chris says he's a deceiver. I will not

213:24

allow him to minister here publicly.

213:26

Says, as far as I know, it's alleged.

213:29

Bill goes and endorses him, but they

213:32

distance themselves. Their ministries

213:33

are separate. So, what does this look

213:35

like? Coverup culture.

213:38

>> And this was August 22nd. So, this is

213:42

new. It's not old and recent. And I know

213:45

you're calling to invest in the

213:47

prophetic and you're amazing.

213:50

But I'm just asking you to pray about

213:52

your heart. Thank you in that because

213:57

he's to be

213:59

he's not only dangerous for the body of

214:01

Christ and a lot of times the people

214:04

that affiliate with him go down, they go

214:07

down.

214:08

>> Aha.

214:10

He's dangerous to the body of Christ,

214:11

but we're not warning them.

214:14

But you, we don't want you to affiliate

214:16

with him. So, you're part of the the

214:18

inner circle because of your wallet. So,

214:21

you I love you. I want to protect you. I

214:24

care about you're the special ones. But

214:26

like Elijah Stevens, he wasn't the

214:28

special one, right? He to me he is, but

214:31

he wasn't. Uh to the Lord, he is, but he

214:34

wasn't to the leadership at Bethl. Um,

214:36

but uh, Jubilee Dawn, who experienced

214:39

great harm because of Shawn, connected

214:41

to Shawn for for sure. Um, not special

214:44

enough, not important enough. I love

214:46

you. I want to protect you, so I'm

214:47

warning you about Shawn. Only counts to

214:49

the elite because that's the culture of

214:50

coverup. It's a cast system.

214:55

Okay. In this next clip, Stacy talks

214:57

about a document allegedly showing Shawn

214:59

Bull's faked prophecy by data mining

215:02

Facebook and Google. This is a document

215:05

we have not seen that has not been

215:06

released publicly. I've asked for it.

215:09

They spread it around to each other.

215:11

They just wouldn't show you

215:14

by

215:20

didn't feel good. So what he did was he

215:23

voted the names of every person Sean

215:25

Woods was prophesying

215:27

and then went on their Facebook pages

215:30

and every single bit of information

215:33

prophesying. You could find it on page

215:39

find

215:41

and there was nothing that was

215:43

prophesying

215:45

that was that was from unknown

215:48

revelation. It was holding on. And so he

215:51

sent me a document only 20 pages long.

215:55

This is what Sean said. This is on the

215:58

front page of their Facebook pages. This

216:00

is on the second page. If you Google the

216:03

person that their is their son that you

216:05

find that you know I mean it it just it

216:07

was all there and it was highly

216:10

incriminating

216:11

order of law and he was also also tried

216:15

to confront him

216:19

and Shawn made him the bad guy.

216:22

>> They knew that there was a guy who tried

216:24

to confront Shawn years ago and that

216:27

Shawn made that guy into the bad guy and

216:29

none of these people were helping and

216:30

defending him. I think they might be

216:32

talking about Jason Smmedley. I'll be

216:34

sharing a a tweet. He he replied to me

216:36

recently on Twitter and I I would had

216:38

been wanting to talk to him for a long

216:40

time. I'll be sharing something he said

216:41

this guy tried to expose Shawn and Paul

216:44

Kaine came after him and made him the

216:46

bad guy, right? Um he suffered greatly

216:48

because of this stuff. He says he's

216:51

convinced that the leaders all knew Sean

216:52

was faking for a long time and they just

216:54

didn't care. That makes a lot of sense

216:56

to me. Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

217:00

So that she might be talking about him.

217:02

I don't know. But

217:05

it makes a lot of sense. When a bully

217:08

does that pushes off their sin,

217:13

that's grossest to me

217:17

cuz you get a chance to fall on the rock

217:20

falls on you. So

217:25

I trust them.

217:35

He doesn't.

217:45

You might be interested to know that

217:46

Stacy Campbell talked a lot of dirt

217:48

about a lot of different leaders with

217:49

this couple. Um, she seems to have

217:51

something on everybody,

217:57

but that's the Shawn BS information.

218:01

What she didn't tell the couple was that

218:02

she was going to be attending the dream

218:04

interpretation and seer realm master

218:06

class with Shawn BS and George and Banov

218:09

not too long after she had this

218:11

conversation. So, there she is. We've

218:14

got Shawn there. You've got Stacy

218:15

Campbell there. You've got Tommy Ariomi

218:17

there. Some of you might know that name.

218:19

James Gaul there and George and Banov,

218:21

Heidi Baker.

218:28

How deep does it go is the question. I

218:31

don't know. I don't know. But I know

218:34

that the trust should be broken when it

218:36

comes to this sphere of leaders. You

218:38

should not trust their discernment and

218:40

you cannot shop your discernment out to

218:42

them. And you don't want to follow their

218:43

culture because it's a culture of cover

218:44

up. After this, after this is when Bill

218:48

Johnson went on TBN and endorsed Shawn

218:51

BS after all of this,

218:54

>> knowing the life that backs it up adds a

218:56

power to it.

218:57

>> Why wasn't Shawn BS exposed? Um because

218:59

none of the leaders that the people were

219:00

asking for help would help. They

219:02

wouldn't have stopped these people from

219:03

going public. Most likely, they wouldn't

219:05

have tried to stop them, but they don't

219:06

want to be part of it. They're not going

219:07

to be connected to it, and they're not

219:08

going to help them do it. and they won't

219:09

provide them with the safety and

219:11

covering that they will need because

219:13

guess what happens when you go public

219:14

like someone already tried as Stacy

219:15

Campbell said Shawn BS makes them the

219:18

bad guy makes them the villain because

219:20

Shawn obviously has much more weight

219:22

even now has much more weight in these

219:24

circles than some random person who's

219:26

trying to blow the whistle on him. You

219:28

need the leaders to lay their life down

219:30

to protect the sheep. That's just what's

219:32

required. So Chayon backed off, Chris

219:34

backed off, Patricia King backed off.

219:35

It's ultimately there's nothing they can

219:37

do. They're powerless supposedly. Now,

219:39

I've talked to the sources, my several

219:41

different sources, a number of different

219:42

people, and they all seem to agree,

219:44

pretty much all the ones I've asked

219:46

about it, agree on one idea, and that is

219:48

the idea that it was ultimately Bill

219:49

Johnson that stopped Shambles from being

219:51

exposed, that it was not something Bill

219:53

wanted to happen. And remember that Bill

219:56

is the one who openly endorsed him after

219:58

the fact. So, let me say this next thing

220:00

very carefully. I'll read this out to

220:02

you. I believe that the problem is way

220:04

bigger than what we know. that if any

220:06

one of these leaders just came out and

220:08

exposed the fakers and abusers that they

220:10

know about, there would be so many. It

220:13

would be devastating and that's why they

220:15

won't. So why wasn't Shawn exposed? Why

220:17

didn't they warn everyone? Why only warn

220:19

the rich people and the leaders and then

220:22

distance yourselves and not tell the

220:23

public?

220:25

You know, Bethl talked to some of the

220:27

same witnesses I have that they

220:29

interviewed some of the same people that

220:30

I've talked to that they knew this

220:32

stuff. It's crazy. So what does it mean

220:35

when you distance yourself but you don't

220:37

warn the people? It means you're not

220:38

protecting the sheep. It means you might

220:40

be concerned about your own protection

220:41

and reputation. It means you might be

220:43

worried about logical outcomes that if

220:45

if we have the kind of culture that

220:46

calls this guy out, who else are they

220:48

going to call out? Am I going to get

220:49

called out? And that's a scary thing.

220:51

But that's what 1 Timothy 5:19 and 20

220:53

says, that's my theme verse for this

220:55

series of exposure and coverup culture

220:57

stuff is it says, "Rebuke in the

220:59

presence of all that the rest also may

221:01

fear." Yeah. I'm worried about if I hold

221:03

others accountable, people might hold me

221:04

accountable. But I'm supposed to be

221:06

worried about that. Like I should live

221:07

with that fear because there is

221:09

accountability in the body of Christ for

221:10

us.

221:12

Now, we need to talk about the trigger

221:13

video. First, I need to take a little

221:15

break. I've been talking too much.

221:25

This is the second day I have tried to

221:27

spend recording this. The first day all

221:29

the footage didn't work and had a

221:31

glitch.

221:34

Let's talk about the trigger video. The

221:35

trigger video was December of 2023. This

221:38

is a video created by Shawn BS where he

221:41

goes on to TBN and on YouTube and

221:44

wherever else he puts his stuff and he's

221:46

going to tell other people how they can

221:49

deal with leaders who abuse them. This

221:52

triggered people who he had abused in

221:54

the past or hurt in the past and

221:57

they decided to make more noise. Okay,

222:00

this triggered another round of people

222:02

asking for BS to be held accountable and

222:04

this was December of 2023 when this

222:06

happened. So, it's a disturbingly ironic

222:08

video. I'm going to play several clips

222:10

from it. Sean has deleted it from the

222:12

internet, but the internet never

222:14

forgets. So, here it is.

222:17

very interesting subject, a prophetic

222:19

perspective, and a teaching that I think

222:20

is going to really help you, especially

222:22

if you've been one of those who's

222:23

experienced the moral failure of a

222:25

pastor or a person who should have

222:27

spiritual authority over you. God's been

222:29

judging the churches and pastoral

222:30

failures and ministries. And there's a

222:32

lot of collapsing right now. And I can

222:33

make a list of names of people who have

222:35

had a ministry or personal failure that

222:37

were public figures in the church over

222:38

the past few years. And it'd be a very

222:40

long video. We

222:41

>> It'd be a very long video. it imply I

222:43

think he means a list of people who've

222:45

failed and fallen. Um

222:48

because there is more accountability now

222:51

than there ever has been. Um Sean in

222:54

this video you can already see it. He's

222:56

he speaks as though he's like squeaky

222:58

clean or at least clean of the types of

223:00

things that he's dealing with here. And

223:03

I'm telling you, if there was ever a

223:04

moment when Shawn BS was able to

223:06

actually prophesy something, it was here

223:08

and it was unintentional. The stuff that

223:10

he says in this video, it's eerie and

223:14

ironic and disturbingly ironic where he

223:17

counsels people on how to deal with

223:18

leaders who have abused them. And

223:22

imagine yourself as you watch the rest

223:23

of this with me, imagine if Sean had

223:27

done a prophetic grift on you. He looked

223:30

you up online. He prophesied to you. And

223:32

then he gave you instructions that

223:33

changed your life and and in in ways

223:35

that were not always good. And then you

223:37

find out it was a lie. It was deception.

223:40

It was manipulation. It was the worst

223:42

kind of blasphemy.

223:44

Imagine that you were one of his

223:45

employees who he sexually harassed and

223:47

dominated in in disgusting ways that

223:50

took you a long time to recover that you

223:51

had to get counseling and it was really

223:54

rough. And then he makes this video.

223:56

>> You've never seen so many ministries

223:58

that have senior leaders or someone

223:59

within their senior team in a prominent

224:01

position go through such public moral

224:03

failures and disgrace. There's so many

224:06

victims that have been left out just out

224:08

in the cold because of this. There

224:09

hasn't been a good process in a lot of

224:11

these places or institutions to help

224:13

victims or families of the victims. But

224:16

God is judging the church. He's actually

224:17

judging the church where he's exposing

224:19

things that need to be corrected because

224:21

he's a good father. And a good father

224:23

wouldn't leave their children in a place

224:25

where they're being abused. A good

224:26

father wouldn't leave his children in a

224:27

place where things don't have justice or

224:30

do you see the cry? Like it's crazy

224:32

ironic. Talk about being able to present

224:35

this video in a new context. See, one of

224:37

the requirements for fair use for me to

224:39

be able to play someone's video is is

224:40

it's transformative. Well, this is

224:42

transformative, man, because this is

224:43

commentary on you and you didn't you you

224:45

didn't see it that way. You didn't know

224:46

it that way. But

224:48

this is eerie. Um God's judging the

224:51

church. There's a lot of accountability.

224:52

God's dealing with people. Yes. Yes, he

224:54

is. And you're one of them. That's the

224:57

thing, Sean. You're one of them. But

224:58

when your victims saw this and when your

225:00

the people you hurt saw this, they

225:02

couldn't stand it. And they and they

225:04

went from being quiet and hoping the

225:05

leaders would deal with it and the

225:06

leaders who distanced themselves and

225:08

protected themselves and didn't protect

225:10

the people. When when those leaders did

225:12

that and the people remained quiet, they

225:14

saw this video and thought, "That's it.

225:16

That's it. We need to go public. We need

225:18

to talk to somebody. We need to we need

225:20

to make more noise."

225:22

This was Sean digging his own grave.

225:23

>> Consequences. But then there's people

225:25

who've been walking with God and they

225:27

know that their no should be no. They

225:28

know their yes should be yes and yet

225:30

they choose something like an affair to

225:32

embezzle money to um use their position

225:34

of spiritual authority wrongly. And God

225:36

judges this. And when God judges this,

225:38

he exposes it and he takes away

225:40

spiritual authority.

225:44

Yes. Which is why you need to quit your

225:46

ministry and stop making prophetic. This

225:48

is so ironic. It's a prophetic video.

225:50

I'm going to give you a prophetic

225:51

perspective on uh uncovering this sin in

225:54

the church and abusive leaders and stuff

225:55

and dealing with that. It's insane that

225:57

he's doing this while talking about

226:00

this.

226:00

>> And he actually allows the person who's

226:02

doing it to go through a season of

226:04

misery. I think I look at it sometimes

226:06

as like a spiritual jail. I'm taking my

226:08

grace off your life in this season

226:10

because you are not partnering to me and

226:12

now you violated people around you.

226:14

turns into these dark spaces get darker

226:16

and corrupted and then bad behaviors

226:19

that are immoral and illegal happen. And

226:23

>> now he's going to say even in this video

226:24

he's like I'm not I mean I haven't done

226:26

anything I've made mistakes but I've

226:27

never done anything like illegal or

226:28

whatever. He distances himself from this

226:30

which infuriates of course the sexual

226:32

harassment from his employees. That's

226:34

illegal dude. That's definitely illegal.

226:37

>> Again that's why I think God has to

226:39

ultimately expose these things. He will

226:40

not let his people be subject to this

226:44

evil forever. Like at some point he's

226:46

going to expose people who do this. And

226:47

I used to deal with a lot of pastors who

226:49

were going through moral failures and

226:51

going through things and then also the

226:52

victims of those situations. What one of

226:54

the common grounds that I saw was as so

226:56

he's presenting himself as somebody

226:57

who's been in a lot of these scenarios

226:59

and he's he's dealt also with the

227:01

victims of these scenarios. Do you

227:03

believe that? Isn't this the guy that

227:05

sicked Paul Kaine on the guy that was

227:07

trying to expose him for his fraudulent

227:09

ministry?

227:11

that they had an issue where they

227:13

couldn't be vulnerable with their sin.

227:15

And so then it just kept compounding and

227:17

compounding. And then once they've

227:18

committed enough sin, how do they share?

227:20

Because they've not tracked with anybody

227:22

for now years. How do they blow this up

227:24

without it becoming a bomb in their

227:26

whole family and their whole church? And

227:28

so it's better to hide. This is not the

227:30

way of the kingdom. This is not how God

227:31

works. And I've had behavior I've had to

227:34

repent of and confess my sins of.

227:36

Anybody has. anybody, especially in

227:38

leadership positions, there's times when

227:39

you did something too long. I'm not

227:41

saying I did anything I can go to jail

227:42

for, whatever, but there's times you did

227:44

something too long that you shouldn't

227:45

have done. Any pastor has done that. Any

227:47

leader has done that. So, he only has

227:49

done common leader mistakes. That's

227:51

that's what he wants to make sure is

227:52

clear in this video. I I've done things

227:54

I had to repent of, but only like normal

227:55

leadership kind of mistakes and

227:57

problems. Dude, there ain't nothing

227:58

normal about the stuff you've done.

227:59

There's nothing normal about that stuff.

228:02

You see why this was the trigger video?

228:04

why this caused people to to call up

228:06

Bethl again. Another round of calling up

228:08

people.

228:10

>> Maybe it's a Matthew 18. Somebody comes

228:11

to you and confronts you and you don't

228:13

respond to that confrontation and it

228:15

ends up being something that's

228:16

publicized and you never really change

228:17

in your heart. There is a final

228:18

condemnation where you're turning your

228:20

back on Jesus. You're turning your back

228:22

on the core principles of truth. And

228:24

that's a scary place to be. Especially

228:26

if our disobedience is causing others to

228:28

sin or others to be oppressed. God will

228:31

expose that somehow.

228:33

his most prophetic moment.

228:38

Sean

228:40

unintentionally declaring what was going

228:41

to happen to him. Our life will not go

228:43

well. I do want to tell you that we have

228:45

in our ministry, we have a lot of

228:47

resources and materials. I have books

228:49

that have become bestsellers on hearing

228:50

God's voice and even for children. We

228:52

have a prophetic parenting kit coming

228:54

up. But something got disappointed in

228:56

you because of a man, because of

228:57

>> I just wanted to include the

228:58

advertisement in there just to have a

229:00

prophetic parenting book. Everything's

229:01

prophetic with Sean, right? cuz he's the

229:03

prophet. He's the He's the golden boy

229:04

prophet of the of the next revelation of

229:07

God's incredible power in the church,

229:08

right? The Pentecost 2.0. And so

229:10

everything's prophetic. Prophetic

229:11

update, prophetic news commentary,

229:13

prophetic parenting. Um, and so he plugs

229:16

that and he's selling his book as well

229:18

in this video.

229:19

>> A woman, because of a pastor, because of

229:20

a leader. And I feel like God wants to

229:22

heal the disappointment in humanity and

229:24

he wants to reappoint our faith in him.

229:26

So my prophetic word is everything in

229:29

leadership that can be shaken is getting

229:30

shaken. and we're watching it right in

229:32

front of us

229:33

>> now. It was already happening. Like this

229:35

this is a a a something that everybody

229:37

knew was already going on as far as it

229:39

shaking goes. But this this was the

229:42

trigger video. Okay. This was December

229:44

of 2023.

229:46

December of 2023. Which led to another

229:49

round of in particular one of my

229:51

witnesses reaching out a different one

229:53

than before than he was who was texting

229:55

with Chris, right? Reaching out to Bethl

229:58

and going there needs to be

229:59

accountability. There needs to be

230:00

something something needs to be done.

230:01

Um, so here's some of the things that

230:03

happened. This witness, uh, he met with

230:07

Bill Johnson personally. Bill was

230:09

incredibly loving and incredibly kind

230:12

according to him and it felt nice to

230:14

meet with him. They spoke without

230:16

identifying Shawn by name and just said

230:18

that he'd been hurt by leaders. And what

230:20

a what a surreal environment where

230:21

you're sitting there with Bill and you

230:22

don't for some reason socially it's just

230:25

it doesn't his name doesn't even come

230:26

up. His name doesn't even come up. What

230:29

is that? How do you not How do you not

230:32

address his What is this, Bill? What is

230:34

this thing you're doing, Bill Johnson?

230:36

His name doesn't even come up.

230:40

Why is it because you wanted to separate

230:43

him from this guy? Let's just Let me see

230:44

if I can just massage this guy, make him

230:46

feel better, and then he can go away

230:47

because our private conversations can I

230:49

can say anything I want publicly. I

230:51

won't actually call this guy out. So, it

230:54

was a nice private conversation. They

230:56

spoke without identifying Shawn and just

230:58

said that my witness had been hurt by

231:00

leaders. Bill prayed for him and Bill

231:03

repented on behalf of leaders in general

231:07

with this individual. There was no

231:09

public accountability. That was in 2023.

231:13

That was right after uh this.

231:17

Then on January 10th in 2025, something

231:21

happened that changed things again. And

231:24

that thing is the minor prophets.

231:34

The minor prophets. That that's the name

231:35

of a YouTube channel. They're not saying

231:37

that they're prophets. Um the Minor

231:38

Prophets YouTube channel. They came out

231:40

and they made a video called Well, the

231:42

thumbnail says, "Everyone knows Shawn BS

231:44

faked it and no one will talk about it."

231:47

And this is the first

231:49

credible credible within the charismatic

231:52

community exposure that happened with

231:55

Sean that I'm aware of that I I would

231:56

say this was this was the one that like

231:58

tipped it over. This caused Bethl alumni

232:03

to start saying, "What is up?" People

232:05

who had been to their school of

232:06

supernatural ministry, they're reaching

232:07

out. They're asking for people to

232:08

comment on this. People are calling for

232:10

Bethl to comment. The reaction was huge.

232:12

This was the first major charismatic

232:13

exposure of Shawn. The thumbnail says

232:15

what it says, right? And they suffered

232:17

great reputation damage. Um, the guys

232:20

that did this, they they suffered. So,

232:22

they had a voice. They actually have

232:23

some platforms. They're actually in

232:25

ministry positions, but they also

232:27

suffered because they called out Shawn

232:29

because the other leaders wouldn't call

232:30

him out. So, anyway, that's how it

232:32

always is. Then, Bethl, a month later

232:35

comes out with a statement. And we're

232:36

going to read that statement. Bethl's

232:39

February 2025 statement comes out

232:43

and I'm I'm going to pull it up here.

232:45

Um, now for the first time, for the

232:47

first time, people have the whole

232:49

background, the whole backstory. You

232:51

know, the conversations with Chris, you

232:52

know what was said behind the scenes by

232:54

Stacy Campbell. Um, you know, all of

232:56

these things. So now when I read this

232:58

statement, you will understand why it

233:00

was not very good. Okay, this was B

233:02

Bethl's statement on Shawn BS to alumni.

233:04

They only gave the statement out to

233:05

alumni. It was not sent to the world.

233:07

was just sent to people who had attended

233:08

their school. February 3rd statement.

233:12

Dear alumni, we know this feels very

233:14

late for some of you. Sorry this has

233:16

taken so long. We're aware that a

233:17

conversation is happening regarding

233:19

Shawn BS and our confrontations with him

233:21

that took place more than 5 years ago,

233:23

right? Cuz minor prophets showed some of

233:25

the evidence I've shown. They didn't

233:26

have all of it, but they showed some of

233:27

it. We have delayed in an effort to

233:29

reflect our recollection accurately as

233:31

the issues are important and complex.

233:34

Right. Shambles had ministered with us

233:37

many times for many years and had a

233:39

great impact on our house. If it was

233:41

fake, it wasn't great.

233:44

We deeply valued and trusted him and

233:46

appreciated his prophetic gift. Many of

233:48

us have received important accurate

233:50

prophecies and words of knowledge from

233:51

him prior to social media being so

233:53

pervasive that we had great confidence

233:55

in.

233:59

Bill says that he would replay

234:01

prophecies from Shawn on his cell phone.

234:04

And I have video of Shawn doing his

234:05

grift on Bill Johnson. I'll I'll share

234:07

that later. This video is going to be so

234:08

long. In 2019, some significant concerns

234:13

came to us from respected international

234:15

leaders regarding irregularities in

234:17

Shaun's word of knowledge gift. 2019,

234:20

you guys knew in 2015 and 2016 and 2017,

234:23

and you're simply not acknowledging it.

234:25

Why? Oh, it wasn't a respected

234:27

international leader. It was just normal

234:29

folks trying to raise the alarm and they

234:31

don't they don't count, I guess.

234:33

who knows what the reason is, but it but

234:35

they knew before that. They knew for all

234:37

I know they knew in 2008.

234:41

For all I knew that they they they knew

234:44

about all this stuff all along. And they

234:45

know that there's fakery. For all I

234:47

know, the gold dust is something that

234:48

they know in intentionally knowingly put

234:51

into their air ducts or wherever just so

234:53

that they could get um all the people to

234:56

come out to Bethl where they could get

234:57

their special anointings. In 2019, some

235:00

significant concerns came to us from

235:01

respected international leaders

235:03

regarding irregularities in Shawn's word

235:05

of knowledge gift that caused them to

235:06

wonder if he may have been using social

235:08

media to generate them. We believe that

235:10

these concerns and the evidence to

235:12

support them were gathered and shared in

235:14

good faith and out of concern for the

235:15

global church. Who cares how they were

235:17

gathered? What if they were gathered by

235:18

like evil atheists who just hate you

235:21

guys? The the question is whether

235:22

they're true or not. That's the

235:23

question. The the good faith thing is

235:25

like let's stop analyzing all the

235:27

witnesses. Maybe they maybe they've got

235:28

ulterior motives. Okay, we should know

235:30

that, but that doesn't mean that what

235:32

they've said isn't true.

235:34

Their presentation of over a dozen words

235:36

amongst the hundreds he's given was a

235:38

small sample size,

235:41

but regardless was validly concerning

235:44

and needed to be addressed for some of

235:46

our team. For some of our team, the

235:48

evidence felt conclusive, but for

235:50

others, it was not. We did not have a

235:52

consensus, but we were very concerned

235:54

and sought to clarify from him.

235:58

who didn't think it was true. Cuz I

236:00

understand hypothetically that Danny

236:02

Silk in the confrontation looked at

236:04

Shawn and said, "You're a liar." In that

236:07

very conversation, Chris says, "I don't

236:09

trust him. He's a deceiver. I won't let

236:11

him minister. He's not welcome at

236:12

Bethl." But here we have for some of our

236:16

team, this is what the public does not

236:18

get the truth. the public could get the

236:20

massaged PR read by a lawyer first

236:23

message

236:25

for some of our team. No consensus. Two

236:29

of our leaders met with Shawn on two

236:31

separate occasions about this. Chris

236:32

flew down from his meeting with Shawn at

236:34

Bill's Bill Johnson's request. Our

236:37

leaders also met with Shawn's board and

236:39

shared the evidence and our concerns.

236:41

Actually, according to Chris, your

236:43

leaders said, "You guys should pull

236:44

Shawn out of ministry. He's guilty. I

236:46

don't know why you guys aren't doing

236:47

it." That that's that's what Chris said

236:49

to one of the victims. Was that true?

236:51

Each time Shawn absolutely denied using

236:54

any social media in his words of

236:55

knowledge or prophecies, Shawn still

236:57

maintains he never used social media in

236:59

any words. And truthfully, unless some

237:01

something changes, only he and the Lord

237:04

really know what took place.

237:09

That's not what you said in private.

237:13

This is deceptive, is it not? Am I not

237:16

right in believing that this was this is

237:18

an intentional deception to the body of

237:21

Christ

237:24

from Bethl Church regarding prophecy,

237:27

regarding their leadership, regarding

237:29

how they've handled uh situations behind

237:31

the scenes,

237:33

cover up culture.

237:35

We ended up in a stalemate without a

237:37

satisfactory resolution of our concerns,

237:40

without definitive proof, repentance,

237:42

and or team consensus. We made no public

237:44

statement because we weren't sure. I

237:46

thought that Chris said he warned all

237:48

the leaders that that he told all the

237:51

people who asked him about Shawn's

237:52

antics and that Shawn wouldn't repent

237:54

and it was shameful.

237:59

This is going to get worse. Let's keep

238:00

reading. It just actually gets worse.

238:02

The leaders who previously investigated

238:04

and gathered the evidence were of course

238:06

free to do what they thought best going

238:07

forward. Is that even true? Really? Were

238:10

they free?

238:12

I I think that they would have known.

238:14

Here's my conjecture. I admit this is

238:16

conjecture. I think they would have

238:17

known. If we publicly call out Sean,

238:19

Bill Johnson is not going to be happy

238:20

and you do not want an angry bill at

238:22

you. He will passive aggressive you and

238:24

you will disappear from your effective

238:27

your effective ministry will just will

238:29

just be shrunk. Um that that is what my

238:32

conjecture is. I do think it's it's

238:36

likely. Around the same time, one of

238:37

Shawn's employees made allegations

238:39

concerning inappropriate behavior and

238:41

unacceptable work environment.

238:43

Inappropriate behavior and an

238:45

unacceptable work environment. Is that

238:47

does that sound like what he was

238:48

alleging?

238:50

That is so softened.

238:52

And it is not just one of Sean's

238:54

employees. There are multiple. There are

238:56

a number of them. And they could have

238:57

had many, many of them to interview and

238:59

discuss with if they had bothered even

239:01

trying. But they didn't. They didn't.

239:04

Though Shawn was not and is not under

239:05

our authority, one of our leaders found

239:07

another impacted former team member went

239:09

to Shawn and confronted him on those

239:11

issues over several difficult

239:12

conversations and admonished him that

239:14

this behavior was completely

239:15

unacceptable and that he should take

239:17

responsibility.

239:18

He indicated to us that the behaviors

239:20

that had taken place had stopped.

239:24

Right. Right. That's going to go in the

239:26

letter. Hey guys, Sean says he stopped

239:30

the vague behaviors of in unacceptable

239:32

work environment and inappropriate

239:34

behavior. Now, in the initial release of

239:37

this letter, this letter Bethl had he

239:39

they sent it over to to some of the guys

239:42

some some of Shawn's former employees

239:44

and they saw this and they were really

239:46

bothered in the vague vague language

239:48

that they used to discuss what Shambles

239:50

did with them. And so they were like,

239:53

you need to call this sexual harassment.

239:55

You can't just say it was unacceptable

239:56

work environment or inappropriate

239:58

behavior. You need to use the phrase

239:59

sexual harassment. So here was Bethl's

240:01

next draft and the one that went public.

240:03

It said, "Though we are not experts,

240:05

these behaviors seemed to fit the

240:07

descriptions of sexual harassment and a

240:09

hostile work environment as commonly

240:11

taught in HR training and had potential

240:14

legal ramifications. It's it's a

240:16

technicality here. It seems to appear

240:19

possibly could be, you know, but he

240:20

indicated to us that they' stopped. But

240:22

you know this is shameful.

240:26

This was included at their request.

240:28

That's what I was told. Um and the and

240:31

the statement was if you don't if you

240:33

don't call it sexual harassment, we're

240:34

going to take our group of people and

240:35

we're going to go public, Bethl. We're

240:37

going to go public. You know what Bethl

240:39

should have done with those group? They

240:40

should have said, "Let's help you go

240:40

public. Let's help you tell the truth

240:42

about what happened." Instead, they did

240:44

this sick little cover-up culture thing.

240:46

This is currently on their website even

240:48

now. We recommend we recommended they

240:51

take action in seeking a remedy through

240:53

the justice system such as the labor

240:54

board, arbiters or courts as there was

240:56

no real movement from Shawn to address

240:58

the past situations and we had done what

241:00

we could given the limited level of

241:02

knowledge that we had at the time.

241:03

That's deceptive. We spoke to his board

241:05

regarding this area of concern. Spoke to

241:08

his board. You you claim that you asked

241:10

the board Christa we implying that Bethl

241:14

asked the board to take Shawn out of

241:15

ministry and then when he wouldn't do it

241:17

you didn't warn people.

241:20

Romans 13 teaches us that God has placed

241:22

civil leaders in a place in place as

241:25

ministers of God for the kinder for the

241:26

kinds of issues his former team members

241:28

brought to us. Now the reason they're

241:29

including this I think is because in the

241:31

leaked text messages Chris counsels him

241:33

maybe you should sue him. If he hadn't

241:35

said that in the text, I don't think

241:36

they would have included this in the

241:38

letter here. So, he was trying to

241:39

explain like, why would you say sue

241:41

Shawn? Now, here they're trying to make

241:42

it sound like, no, no, no, like, you

241:44

know, Romans 13, this is just about

241:46

civil leaders and da da da. Um, so I

241:49

think it's about that. Furthermore,

241:50

their experience was absolutely

241:51

important and personal and as such was

241:54

their story to tell, not ours, and to

241:56

take action if they desired. This is a

241:59

cowardly thing to say. They came to you

242:01

guys for help. You you should have

242:04

helped them tell their story. You should

242:05

have put out a warning as you were

242:07

requested to by in the text message

242:09

conversation by one of the victims who

242:11

was like, "Can you guys just put out a

242:12

statement? Can Bethl just put out a

242:13

warning? Can you guys please tell the

242:14

story?" They asked you to help them tell

242:16

their story. And you're like, "No, no,

242:18

no. It's only for you to tell. Only for

242:20

you." Meaning, no one's going to help

242:21

you. This is the general context to

242:23

which Chris was speaking in the text

242:25

messages that were posted on social

242:26

media. Did you hear that? This is Bethl

242:29

confirming that those are real text

242:31

messages. Those are real and they're

242:34

confirming it here. I don't know if they

242:35

realized this was the what was going to

242:37

happen with that. They've confirmed now

242:38

that those that text conversation was

242:40

legit, which means that what that guy

242:41

that sent them to me was real and he

242:43

sent me even more than the stuff that

242:44

they had seen. This is all real.

242:48

Corroborating evidence. Shawn was a

242:50

trusted guest minister who spoke often

242:52

on our platform. If Shawn worked for us

242:54

or was truly or officially under our

242:56

covering, the situation would have been

242:58

handled much differently. this phrase,

243:01

if Sean worked for us or was truly or

243:03

officially under our covering. This like

243:05

idea of a spiritual covering. Shawn

243:07

referred to them at points as their

243:08

mother church. Shawn called him a

243:10

spiritual son or excuse me, Bill called

243:11

him a spiritual son reportedly and you

243:14

know it was Bill who put him on stage

243:16

and he said Shawn is uh one of our most

243:20

trusted friends. They introduced him as

243:22

one of the most prophetic people on the

243:24

planet. You have covered him. Now you

243:27

need to uncover him. That's how this

243:28

works.

243:29

We would have not just appealed to Shawn

243:31

if they felt a responsibility, which

243:33

they did not. We would not just have

243:34

appealed to Shawn. We would have

243:35

required comprehensive and righteous

243:37

response. Whether related or not,

243:39

shortly after we addressed our concerns,

243:41

it appeared that Shawn took steps vagory

243:44

to adjust how he operated in words of

243:46

knowledge. He just recently spoke to

243:47

some of the changes he's made, which can

243:49

be found on his website here. This is

243:51

Bethl doing damage control for Shawn BS.

243:55

It uh we're going to read it. We're

243:57

going to read it. Okay. This is what

243:59

Shambles actually says in his statement

244:00

that will supposedly talk about

244:02

according to Bethl. It's very important

244:03

we pay attention to the details. This

244:05

describes how he took steps to adjust

244:08

how he operated in words of knowledge.

244:10

And he just spoke about that here. So

244:13

here's Sean's website. We're going to

244:15

read some sections from it. Statement of

244:18

community of commitment to prophetic

244:20

integrity promoting healthy prophetic

244:22

ministry.

244:24

Ask yourself if this is Sean admitting

244:26

anything, changing anything, altering

244:29

anything. As a ministry, we would never

244:32

condone and we would refute that we

244:34

would ever find information online to

244:36

prophesy over people because this has

244:38

happened historically with a few

244:39

individuals. There is suspicion that has

244:41

been created and we have been accused of

244:44

this several times, specifically from

244:46

2016 to 2019. What is this? This is

244:49

Shawn acknowledging that the allegations

244:51

were go back at least as far as 2016.

244:54

that the allegations go back at least

244:56

that far. Again, confirming pieces of

244:57

evidence. Notice that Sean says we when

244:59

he's talking about Shawn. Shawn is the

245:01

only guy they're talking about. We We We

245:04

No, it's just you, Sean. He goes on,

245:06

"When we when we were traveling

245:08

full-time and modeling and teaching the

245:10

body of Christ how to pursue the

245:13

spiritual gift of the words of of words

245:15

of knowledge, which hasn't had a lot of

245:16

teaching around it up until this current

245:18

generation, he's bragging. He's actually

245:21

bragging about his special unique

245:22

ministry that is like you know it's

245:24

something new. He's bringing you to the

245:26

new level spiritually

245:28

practicing points of our prophetic

245:30

standards. Okay. So this is their

245:32

standards. Again notice he confesses

245:34

nothing but he words very carefully this

245:37

letter that Bethl actually encouraged

245:40

people to read. Put in their letter.

245:42

Here we go. Make a little bigger for you

245:43

guys.

245:46

Yeah. All right. Notice what he says.

245:51

In 2019, there were a lot of questions

245:54

about words of knowledge and the

245:55

theology of the prophetic being directed

245:56

at our ministry. These were important

245:59

questions specifically around words of

246:00

knowledge as well as some asking what

246:03

are the boundaries of making prophetic

246:04

predictions over relationships or

246:06

finances, right? Because people made

246:08

investment choices. Elijah lost most of

246:10

his uh retirement because of Shawn. Um,

246:14

I've talked to three different people

246:15

who entered into marriages because Sean

246:18

told them to um said it was God. Because

246:21

of these, we really wanted to define

246:24

what we felt like would be the most

246:25

healthy version of good boundaries and

246:27

also clearly take a stand for what is a

246:29

good word of knowledge. We decided, we

246:32

meaning Sean, to change some of the ways

246:33

that I minister publicly as well as how

246:36

our teams that we have sent out would

246:38

minister to create safety and health.

246:41

Okay. So, here is a change that he made.

246:43

He denies everything, but he changed

246:45

anyways. Why? Because he's guilty. We as

246:48

a ministry

246:50

fight for the gifts of the Holy Spirit

246:51

and their purpose in the body of Christ,

246:53

especially in the prophetic as part of

246:55

what we think brings a well-balanced

246:56

Christian life. We made several changes

246:58

in our ministry team back in 2019 and my

247:00

own personal public platform to help

247:02

flow in the word of knowledge gifting

247:04

without having as much room for

247:05

criticism and doubt. Again, not change

247:08

it because of guilt, change it because

247:10

of criticism and doubt.

247:12

This was about reputation control.

247:14

That's it. So, they're talking about

247:16

accusations and they're saying, you

247:17

know, Sean made took steps to adjust how

247:20

he operates in word of knowledge. The

247:21

implication is he's taking steps because

247:23

he's done something wrong. He's fixing

247:25

it. He's not fixing anything. We want to

247:28

share some of these commitments and

247:29

protocols our ministry adopted to help

247:31

others who want to help share the

247:33

genuine prophetic gift. So, here we are.

247:35

Instead of I repent, here's what I did

247:37

wrong. It's allow us to teach you guys

247:39

how to live your life better with

247:41

prophecy, the very thing that he abuses.

247:43

Here are some of the standards we set in

247:45

our ministry when it comes to practicing

247:46

prophetic gifts so you can see what is

247:48

important to our ministry. And hopefully

247:51

it can help inform your own approach if

247:53

you're new to this or help sharpen you

247:54

if you're unfamiliar with practicing the

247:56

prophetic. We are consistently adjusting

247:58

our ministry protocols to keep the

248:00

people who the people we are called to

248:02

minister to safe as well as the people

248:04

who practice it. Most of these protocols

248:06

were already being practiced, but we

248:07

reinforce them and have held the line

248:09

for years.

248:12

Okay? So, he's godly, he's righteous,

248:14

he's actually the example for others to

248:15

follow. That's that's his that's his

248:17

statement.

248:19

Words of knowledge. We will not share

248:21

any information that is obvious as a

248:23

word of knowledge. meaning it can be

248:25

found online like birthdays,

248:26

anniversaries, people's names, addresses

248:28

in our prophetic words. Ask God for what

248:31

1 Corinthians 14 says is the secrets of

248:33

the heart. In this way, people can have

248:35

confidence that if a word comes, it came

248:37

from God. Oh, so he he's not going to do

248:39

what was the entire center point of his

248:41

entire ministry. What was the foundation

248:43

of his book? What was the reason he

248:44

became the wonder child? That he the

248:46

reason why his ministry took off, why

248:48

people were seeking him out, why he was

248:50

the most prophetic person, the most

248:51

accurate words of knowledge I've ever

248:52

seen. That's what what uh Chris Valatin

248:55

had said about him. And he goes about

248:57

this policy. He says most of these

248:59

protocols were already being practiced.

249:02

We'vefor reinforced them and held the

249:03

line for years. We will not share words

249:06

of knowledge about someone's pain,

249:07

relational issues, or anything negative

249:09

publicly. Actually, you talked about

249:11

people losing their children. You talked

249:12

about people losing their family

249:13

members, losing a mother.

249:16

You used people's pain and loss to make

249:20

yourself look like a prophet, Sean. And

249:22

you're saying we will not, you know, he

249:23

never says we we never have.

249:26

They have. He says they've held most of

249:28

these all along. Not true. This is what

249:31

Bethl has pointed people to.

249:35

This is why people are upset that even

249:36

when they brought out this thing where

249:38

they're like, "Wow, they kind of brought

249:38

a statement out, Mike. This is why the

249:40

people who know what's going on are

249:41

like, this is actually very bad, guys.

249:43

It's actually very bad."

249:46

It's easy to go to a place of inner it's

249:48

it's easy to go to a place of inner

249:49

healing or what is wrong. But if you're

249:51

going to share these things in front of

249:52

their family or friends, it can put them

249:54

in a bad light or cause

249:55

misunderstanding.

249:57

We will not share words of knowledge

249:58

about resources or finances publicly.

250:02

Publicly cuz Sean still does this

250:04

finances and resources publicly probably

250:06

to people he sees as money bags

250:09

because it puts pressure on exposing

250:11

someone's condition to people who aren't

250:12

involved. People who have money can be

250:14

pursued wrongly. You are very familiar

250:16

with that. People who don't have it can

250:18

become shamed.

250:20

prophecy. We will not share prophetic

250:22

words publicly that are about judgment

250:23

or correction. That's an unbiblical

250:25

rule. Actually, you shouldn't have that

250:26

rule. We will not prophesy about

250:28

romantic relationships with people who

250:30

are not married. Oh, I wonder why you're

250:32

not going to do that anymore. Jubilee

250:34

Dawn is the reason why. Cuz she went

250:36

public and told everybody what you did

250:38

to her.

250:40

Shameful, man. You won't even repent.

250:42

You won't even repent of it. We will not

250:45

prophesy about business deals or

250:46

contracts with specific groups or people

250:48

or that finances or resources are

250:49

supposed to be given away that are not

250:51

yours. We will also not prophesy about

250:54

business partnerships with specific

250:56

people together or that someone will be

250:58

working with someone else by name

250:59

because it can cause confusion and

251:00

manipulation. I remember the rich couple

251:02

telling me about how this was happening

251:03

to them from you and others in your

251:05

circle.

251:06

We will not prophesy over people

251:08

struggling with infertility by promising

251:10

they will get pregnant. We will not

251:11

prophesy conditional words. Unless you

251:14

do this, this will not happen. No words

251:15

with ultimatums. It it okay. I mean, God

251:18

prophesies with conditional words all

251:20

the time. So, I don't know. I don't know

251:21

what that's about. Discernment. We will

251:22

not share negative things we have

251:24

discerned publicly about individuals or

251:26

other believers. We will not share

251:27

public discernment over individuals

251:28

about the demonic.

251:31

Really? Do you guys remember the video

251:32

where he says that the attacks on him

251:34

was the biggest coordinated Jezebel

251:36

spirit he's ever seen? What is that?

251:39

That's his discernment about all the

251:41

people like the bloggers, the people who

251:42

made videos. They were attacking. That

251:44

was the coordinated Jezebel spirit.

251:46

That's what that was. That was him doing

251:48

the very thing he says that they won't

251:49

do.

251:51

How long is this statement? I don't I

251:53

don't think I can even even read this

251:54

whole thing. This is super annoying.

251:56

Sean BS, you guys can look at it

251:57

yourself. Go to his web page. Currently,

251:59

it's it's on the front page of his page.

252:01

You can find it easily. Um, so we won't

252:04

post Oh, this one I got to read. We will

252:05

not post internet videos or social media

252:08

videos of our own prophecy over others.

252:11

Guess what? Cuz it's just getting him in

252:12

trouble. As soon as he posts a video,

252:14

we're like, "Google, Google. Oh, look.

252:16

There's them. There's their dog. There's

252:17

their there's their their mom." And we

252:19

find out the information was all readily

252:21

available. He got busted. That's why. If

252:24

they want to post it, let them. But it's

252:26

their story, not ours. Unless they

252:27

specifically give us permission.

252:29

Remember, in the social media age,

252:31

people who were against this kind of

252:32

ministry may track them down and harass

252:34

them. We are seeing such an increased

252:35

harassment of people who share their

252:37

testimonies of our prophetic ministry

252:39

that for their sake, we took them down

252:41

so they can tell their own stories about

252:43

us.

252:45

Oh my goodness.

252:47

Now, I would never harass anybody who

252:50

was targeted and manipulated and

252:52

deceived and abused by Shawn, but it's

252:55

crazy. He's using them as a shield. He's

252:57

adding insult to their injury and he's

252:59

using them as a shield now.

253:03

All right, that's here. Here he says

253:05

something personally. I'll just read

253:06

this last part. Um, we have never had to

253:10

correct our team in a big way for

253:12

violating any of these standards because

253:14

they are relational guards to keep

253:15

everyone safe. Feel free to adopt them

253:17

in your ministry team. Although I, Shawn

253:20

BS, do do a uh do not do a lot of

253:23

traveling ministry anymore. and our

253:26

focus has turned to media/entertainment.

253:28

I still want to help support the

253:30

prophetic ministry and movement and

253:32

steward my relationships that have been

253:34

for over 30 years in this ministry in

253:35

the healthiest way possible. This is our

253:37

commitment as a ministry to you and to

253:39

the body of Christ.

253:42

So Sean's comm commitment to them

253:45

ultimately boils down to I'm innocent

253:48

and and I won't do it anymore so please

253:50

leave me alone.

253:52

Is that how you read it? That's how I

253:53

read it. And that's how it came off in

253:55

Chris's text conversation with with one

253:56

of the witnesses was like, "Hey, he

253:58

won't clean up his mess. He won't admit

253:59

it. He's guilty, but he's going to, you

254:01

know, he's going to stop prophesying,

254:02

right? Like he's he's he's going to quit

254:04

doing a lot of these things." All he

254:06

did, I believe, was move it to the

254:07

private realm. No more videos. No more

254:09

public analysis. Privately, I'll do all

254:11

my stuff, but publicly I'll only do

254:13

these prophetic generic words and things

254:15

that are harder to test. And so that's

254:17

what he's done because he's going to get

254:18

a going to do thetick as much as he can

254:20

because the only time he gets views is

254:22

when he does prophecy stuff for the most

254:24

part.

254:26

Let's read the rest of the letter from

254:28

Bethl. In the absence of clarity about

254:31

both what really happened and some of

254:32

the words of knowledge and having

254:34

addressed the issues with his former

254:35

team members and found his response

254:36

lacking, we made the decision to step

254:38

back from our ministry connection. This

254:40

meant one, and here's where I believe

254:43

they deceive people even more. We did

254:45

not have him ministering to our people

254:47

or movement or have his materials in our

254:49

stores, though we missed some things

254:50

until recently. Remember the text

254:52

messages like, "Dude, his books are

254:53

still in your stores." So, if Shawn

254:56

gives a word of knowledge to people at

254:58

Bethl and they carry that word and they

255:00

live their life based upon that word, is

255:02

he not actively ministering to your

255:03

people in your movement unless you do

255:05

something to undo it? They didn't do

255:07

anything though. Number two, we

255:09

communicated our concern, confusion, and

255:11

his denials to the leaders. Confusion.

255:14

Wait, confusion? Did you tell the

255:16

leaders you were confused or that Shawn

255:17

was guilty? Cuz Chris made it sound like

255:20

you told him that he was guilty, but you

255:22

don't want to admit he's guilty now.

255:24

Maybe because of Bill Johnson. And Bill

255:25

Johnson's like, "No, you got to be nice

255:27

to Shawn."

255:29

So, the letter has to be written this

255:30

way. This doesn't look like what

255:32

happened. Stacy Campbell says says it,

255:34

"Dude, Chris, eat me. I don't trust

255:36

him." No, he I won't have anything to do

255:39

with him. You didn't just communicate

255:41

concern and confusion and his denials.

255:44

to the leaders who initially raised

255:46

concerns about the words of knowledge

255:47

with us as well as to leaders closely

255:49

connected to Shawn and made the evidence

255:50

available to them for them to make their

255:52

own decision. You know, a leader, a

255:53

leader that was closely connected to

255:55

Shawn is Elijah Stevens who said, "Hey,

255:58

I heard Shawn was faking these things.

256:00

No, you guys haven't told me anything

256:01

about this. Is it true?" And Dan Fairley

256:02

like I don't know anything about it. And

256:04

then Chris doesn't tell him. He doesn't

256:07

tell him.

256:08

He didn't give him the evidence. He

256:10

didn't make it available to him.

256:16

This was all right. Number three, we

256:19

firmly admonished and warned him and he

256:22

responded by making some changes in both

256:24

of these areas. What does that even

256:26

mean, some changes? He just went

256:28

underground with it, guys. We made it a

256:30

clear goal or we made it clear that

256:32

global leaders were concerned and

256:34

watching closely. This is cloak and

256:37

dagger stuff.

256:39

What happened was global leaders just

256:40

backed off of Sean because he's now

256:42

lepous and there's people in the wings

256:43

that might at any point expose him or

256:45

Mike Winger might make a video about it

256:46

and use their use their testimonies and

256:48

so we don't want to be around him

256:50

because then we're going to get drug

256:50

into it. Well, it's it's too late. You

256:52

are drugged into it. These were all

256:54

clear boundaries that produce some of

256:56

the necessary changes. What does that

256:57

even mean? 1 Timothy 5:20 and and are

257:00

they necessary changes if you don't know

257:02

if he's even guilty or not? How are

257:04

they? This makes no sense. Are they

257:07

necessary changes? But if he isn't

257:09

guilty, then they're not necessary. You

257:11

should be defending him. 1 Timothy 5:20,

257:14

ah, this is the theme verse for this

257:16

whole thing. It says, "To publicly

257:18

rebuke elders who continue in sin."

257:22

We weren't entirely clear what was

257:24

happening in the words of knowledge and

257:25

unaware of the scope of his issues with

257:26

his former team members, but believed he

257:28

changed his behavior. Wait, what? We

257:32

don't we don't know what we don't even

257:33

know if he did anything, but but he

257:34

changed. Was

257:37

this schizophrenic? How did this how was

257:39

this written? And the work environment

257:41

going forward after our confrontation.

257:42

So we didn't did not make a public

257:44

statement. In the past, we've only

257:46

brought public admonition to those

257:48

outside of our organization in cases

257:50

where no acknowledgement and change has

257:51

taken place after correction. There was

257:54

no real acknowledgement and there was no

257:56

proper change. Okay. Yes, it was some

257:58

change. He's going to be not invited to

258:01

our conferences anymore. There's a

258:02

change. Sean just kept going though.

258:05

Later on, he eventually stops doing the

258:08

some of the videos and some of the stuff

258:10

um publicly, but no, don't call that

258:12

change. That's not fair. We empathize.

258:15

We empathize with those who are confused

258:18

and disappointed over this situation.

258:19

I'm not confused. I am disappointed. We

258:22

feel the same. No, stop. You cannot put

258:25

yourself in that role. This is a tender,

258:27

confusing, and complex situation. As it

258:29

stands, our trust in Shawn is still

258:31

unrepaired. Having Why is it unrepaired

258:34

if you don't know if he's guilty or not?

258:37

Having privately admonished him, this

258:39

letter is only intended to clarify the

258:41

journey we are on. What did you admonish

258:42

him privately? According to this letter,

258:44

according to what Chris told others

258:46

reportedly, uh we know what you

258:48

admonished him about. It was uh you need

258:49

to repent. You're you're messed up.

258:51

You're a liar. You're just you've

258:52

deceiving people. Um and you can't have

258:55

anything to do with this. But privately,

258:57

according to this letter, the

258:57

admonishment would be something like hey

258:59

man, if you're guilty, you should

259:00

probably do something about it. So this

259:02

letter is only intended to clarify the

259:04

journey we were on and the steps we've

259:06

taken to given that it is now a wider

259:08

conversation. Right? So confirmation

259:11

that this letter is sent out as a as a I

259:15

will call it a damage control method

259:16

because it's all public now because

259:18

people know because text messages

259:19

privately given were sent out to the

259:21

public and people were like you guys did

259:22

what what was going on behind the

259:24

scenes. We receive and value the

259:26

feedback that our actions may have been

259:28

too subtle and difficult to decipher.

259:32

They don't I don't think they realize

259:33

how annoying it would be for people to

259:34

read this document.

259:37

It feels very much um gaslighty and that

259:41

it would have been more helpful to at

259:42

least openly acknowledge that we were

259:44

creating distance with Shawn due to our

259:45

concerns. We acknowledge we have more to

259:47

learn in handling situations outside of

259:49

our staff environment with greater

259:50

clarity and have been working for the

259:52

last several months on standardized

259:53

procedures for hearing and responding to

259:55

concerns in order to create an even

259:57

healthier church culture. I don't I

259:59

don't trust that.

260:01

Words of knowledge are a significant and

260:02

important element of conveying the heart

260:04

of God, demanding high levels of

260:06

integrity, accountability, and

260:08

responsibility. And our work

260:10

environments and team relationships must

260:12

be full of holiness, respect,

260:13

appropriate behavior, and safety such

260:16

that they reflect the joy and glory of

260:18

God. We pray that the Holy Spirit brings

260:21

wisdom, humility, comfort, and

260:22

instruction to each of us. Signed, Bethl

260:25

leadership.

260:26

They don't believe in the accountability

260:28

and responsibility or the integrity

260:30

part. I don't think you guys believe in

260:31

that. I don't I don't believe you do.

260:36

This came off to many people as very

260:39

much damage control. Uh a lot of the

260:41

alumni I understand were pretty upset

260:43

with it. Certainly Sean's victims were

260:44

upset. Certainly people like Jubilee

260:46

Dawn or Elijah were certainly upset.

260:47

This is deceptive even about Elijah.

260:50

Really, really bad stuff. And again, the

260:52

witnesses said if you don't put they

260:54

they had the word harassment in there.

260:55

They said, "If you don't call it sexual

260:56

harassment, we're going to go public."

260:58

And then they put it in there with all

260:59

the technicalities and caveats. So Bethl

261:02

knew. He knew they knew and and and it's

261:04

confirmed now through lots of different

261:05

evidence. They knew about the sexual

261:07

allegations against Shawn in late 2021

261:10

and into early 2022. For sure they knew

261:12

about it by then. Danny reached out to

261:15

one of my witnesses who confirmed it. So

261:18

there was multiple witnesses as they

261:19

mentioned in this letter. They confirmed

261:21

that that is in fact true. Chris then

261:24

confronted Shawn in 2021 and that's when

261:26

everybody started cancelling Shawn,

261:29

right? When you have these people in the

261:30

wings who were like, "Guys, can you go

261:32

public? Patricia King, can you go

261:33

public? Jayon, can you go public? Can

261:35

you guys please go public?" So now

261:36

there's this threat of things going

261:37

public. And that is when that is when

261:40

supposedly all this stuff really really

261:42

went down. But there's Jason Smmedley.

261:45

Now Jason experienced some of this stuff

261:48

himself. Let me bring it up. He says the

261:50

following. This is actually in a in a a

261:53

post that just recently was made u where

261:55

Jason says like he responded to me on

261:57

Twitter and I was very glad he did cuz

261:58

I'd heard from other people about Jason

262:00

and that Jason had in uh 2015 he started

262:03

to record Shawn's words because he

262:05

suspected that they were he was getting

262:06

him off social media and then 2016 he's

262:09

doing this more. He's starting to tell

262:10

more and more people about it. And that

262:13

is after that is when Paul Kane comes

262:14

after him and here he talks about it. He

262:17

says, "I was at Bethl back when they

262:18

first gave Shawn a platform, and I'm

262:20

100% convinced they intentionally

262:22

promoted him, knowing full well he was a

262:25

false prophet. My experience confronting

262:27

this situation led to a nervous

262:29

breakdown. Paul Kaine came after me. The

262:31

whole thing was crazy." And Jason

262:34

certainly has a story to tell. This

262:37

video is too long, so I'm not going to

262:39

try and do all that. But I will say I've

262:41

been uh connected with him a little bit

262:43

on on on on social media. We've been

262:45

talking a bit and I do believe him. I

262:47

heard about him months and months ago

262:49

and I was so glad that he actually spoke

262:50

out.

262:52

There's emails and evidence that he has

262:54

as well that maybe at some point will go

262:55

public. That's up to Jason if he wants

262:56

to do that. No pressure on you, man. You

262:58

you can just go on live with your live

262:59

your life if you want. But I think

263:00

enough has come out that people people

263:02

can't hide it anymore. They understand

263:04

that the Bethl statement was garbage.

263:06

That Sean's statement was deceitful and

263:08

manipulative um and not real. So here's

263:12

my conjecture.

263:20

I think Bethl is simply okay with a

263:22

certain amount of faking of prophecy and

263:24

of healings. I just I really believe

263:25

this. I'm convinced of it. They just are

263:27

okay with it. They don't mind. They

263:28

don't mind at all. And that is systemic

263:30

in the charismatic movement amongst the

263:32

people that are especially connected to

263:33

Bethl. When you look at people like

263:35

Jesus Image, you look at people like

263:36

Morning Star and IHOP, there's just a

263:39

willingness to be okay. I talked to uh

263:41

John O'Hal who was a former leader part

263:43

of IHOP and he told me that it was

263:45

standard practice among the Kansas City

263:48

prophets. These are like the foundation

263:49

guys from Morning Star and Bethl and um

263:52

uh and IHOP that the standard practice

263:56

for these guys was that it was okay to

263:57

be wrong 70% of the time it was simply

264:00

no big deal. This causes abuses. They

264:02

see it as hamburger helper. I did my

264:04

interview with Jediah Hartley where he

264:06

talks about his dad who is Bob Hartley

264:08

who is part of Bethl and part of IHOP

264:11

and how he he not only was faking

264:14

prophecy on the regular but that

264:16

everyone does it and it's okay. It's

264:19

hamburger helper is the phrase he used.

264:22

>> And the theory was that my dad was 90%

264:25

prophetic and then 20 or 10% was this

264:30

hamburger helper. That's what they used

264:32

to call it. hamburger helper. Um, that

264:35

was a term Bob Jones used, Mike Bickl

264:37

used, other individuals used to talk

264:40

about the sort of adding a little flavor

264:42

to the meat to make it a more complete

264:44

meal. That was the idea. Um, and so my

264:50

dad would, it didn't take me, it took me

264:53

until I was like in my mid20s before I

264:56

grew like enough awareness to realize,

264:58

no, the whole thing is fraudulent. It's

265:02

not 90% God and 10% man. It just the

265:07

whole thing is a gimmick and be like

265:10

just because everyone is doing this in

265:12

the community doesn't mean that it's

265:13

okay or it's right. The defense of this

265:16

sort of prophetic

265:19

um fraud for lack of a better word was

265:24

that everyone did it. So

265:28

his mentors Paul Kaine and Bob Jones uh

265:33

who were huge figures in the sort of

265:36

prophetic movement um would do things

265:39

like this. They would get information

265:41

from non-ivine means and then they would

265:45

pretend like it was from God. This was

265:47

before the age of Facebook, but

265:49

specifically Paul Kaine had a genealogy

265:52

program that he had installed on his

265:55

computer that he was would look up

265:59

people's genealogy. And so he would have

266:01

specific prophecies about grandfathers

266:04

and and lines. Like if you just had the

266:07

name, you could kind of find very

266:10

specific information. So,

266:12

so one of the defenses that my dad gave

266:14

was that everyone does it. The second

266:18

was this hamburger helper defense, which

266:21

was not to totally defend it, but it was

266:24

to contextualize it. It was the idea was

266:27

that it's not good. We shouldn't do it,

266:31

but everyone does it a little bit. It's

266:33

okay. It's just this idea of like the

266:35

meat is still God. Most of it is still

266:38

God, but then we'll add some extra

266:40

fabrication

266:42

just to add a little sizzle. Prophecy is

266:46

hard. It makes it more palatable for

266:49

people. So, when you're caught with it,

266:51

it's like, you're right. I should stop

266:52

doing it. But it's not like this

266:54

invalidates my entire ministry. This is

266:57

some huge thing. It's kind of like,

267:02

you know, getting caught speeding or

267:04

something like that. It's like we

267:05

shouldn't do it. Yeah,

267:06

>> but it's understandable and it makes

267:09

sense. And Mike Bickl and Bob Jones

267:12

would talk about it in the same way

267:14

behind closed doors in front of in front

267:17

of camera. Like Mike talked about it and

267:20

he used it in a slightly more in a

267:23

slightly different sense to be like

267:24

there's a lot of fakers out there, but I

267:26

don't pay attention to the fakers. I

267:28

just pay attention to the people who are

267:30

genuine.

267:31

But that's not how it was used. It was

267:33

everyone has a little of the fake and

267:34

everyone has a little of the

267:36

>> because I know that I know the value of

267:38

genuine manifestations. They're real.

267:39

Again, I've seen and it hadn't happened

267:41

to me, but I've seen people thrashed

267:42

around and I've seen people thrown

267:44

against walls and across rooms and and

267:46

I've seen a lot of fake, but I've seen a

267:48

lot of real. The real's worth it. I will

267:50

allow the fake. I don't want the fake on

267:52

the platform because I I don't want to

267:54

promote the fake, but I'll allow the

267:55

fake in the room because I so believe in

267:56

the genuine. I've had people say that

267:58

over the years, you know, they said, you

267:59

know, you know, I've had students, you

268:00

know, some of this seems fake. I go, "It

268:02

is." They go, "What?" I go, "Most of

268:05

it's fake." Go, "What do you mean?" I

268:07

said, "I've been watching this 40 years.

268:08

Most places that I've been, the majority

268:10

of the manifestations are not caused by

268:12

the Holy Spirit." They go, "Really?" But

268:13

I said, "But the problem is not all

268:16

fake." And the genuine is in our midst.

268:18

And I will allow a whole lot of

268:19

Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine

268:21

take place. I said, "I won't promote it,

268:23

but I will allow it because the genuine

268:25

is so important to the kingdom of God."

268:28

But that always throws off people if

268:29

they're young and new at this. They go,

268:30

"It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go just,

268:31

you know, don't be so open-minded your

268:33

brains fall out. You can understand that

268:35

the real and the genuine and the fake

268:37

all exist together in one setting. And

268:39

it's that way everywhere. There's

268:40

nothing unique here. It's not any

268:41

different here than anywhere. It's that

268:42

way everywhere. I've I've been in

268:44

revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings

268:46

in many countries. So, I believe in

268:48

prophecies, dreams, visions, healings.

268:50

I've seen the manifestations of the Holy

268:52

Spirit so powerful, so real. Some of

268:54

them bizarre, but real. I've seen a lot

268:56

of people fake them in our community.

268:59

healings, dreams, visions, all that

269:01

stuff. But you know what I do? I am so

269:02

zealous for the real. I'm so hungry for

269:04

the real that I don't get offended by

269:07

what I call the hamburger helper and the

269:10

the addited extra. Some people fake them

269:12

blatantly. Some people don't fake them.

269:15

They're genuinely seeking them, but

269:17

still the experience isn't real, though

269:19

the people are genuine. There's all

269:21

kinds of categories, but I am not

269:24

throwing away the real because humans

269:27

are involved. And there's some of that

269:29

other stuff.

269:30

>> For anybody who's still at this stage is

269:31

thinking, you know, maybe he's right.

269:33

Maybe it was like mostly real and only

269:35

somewhat fake. You know, Mike was a guy

269:37

of integrity and he really tried to

269:39

steward well the prophetic. Allow me to

269:41

read to you from the Kansas City Star.

269:43

This is about the independent

269:45

investigation that showed Mike Bickl had

269:47

17 victims. This just recently happened

269:49

and it came out, but he's been doing it

269:50

for decades. I read here from the report

269:52

of the Kansas City Star talking about

269:55

the independent investigation. It says,

269:56

"The 68page report names the woman

269:59

identified as Jane Doe, whose

270:00

allegations about Bickl were made public

270:02

in October 2023, causing upheaval in the

270:05

247 global prayer movement, that's IHOP,

270:08

and inspiring other women to come

270:10

forward." Deborah Perkins said that

270:12

Bickl used prophecies to groom, sexually

270:14

abuse, and manipulate her from 1996 to

270:17

1999, starting when she was 19 and he

270:20

was 42. She said Bickl told her

270:22

repeatedly that God had spoken to him

270:23

saying his wife Diane was going to die

270:25

and that they would then be married.

270:27

This turns out to be something that Mike

270:29

Bickl said to a lot of women and there

270:31

are 17 victims, not witnesses, victims

270:35

that have come forward uh in the report.

270:37

I read on it says two other women later

270:39

came forward and said Bickl used a

270:40

nearly identical prophecy in grooming

270:43

them.

270:45

Mike Bickl,

270:48

he called it hamburger helper. It was

270:51

much much worse than that. This was just

270:53

standard practice amongst these core

270:55

guys who became the foundation that has

270:58

spilled over into modern day Bethl. I

271:01

think that Bethl, Bill Johnson, these

271:03

guys fully know that the regular faking

271:05

of prophecy and healings is present.

271:06

Now, I have more evidence. I'm going to

271:07

present to you even today more evidence

271:09

because this video is never going to end

271:11

and I'm never going to go to bed and I'm

271:13

losing my voice and I'm not done yet.

271:15

But I need to share it all and I hate

271:17

making these videos. I'd rather just

271:18

dump it all into one video and and move

271:19

on. Um, but this causes abuses. This

271:23

attitude of allowing the fakery of

271:25

prophecy and the abuse of the people,

271:26

the body of Christ, the abuse of your

271:28

own people who follow you and trust you

271:29

and look at you as as as you know, Papa

271:31

Bill. This creates abuses for them

271:34

because it creates a culture of cover up

271:35

and turns people's eyes blind and causes

271:38

people to then be raised up who are what

271:40

that it means that the top leaders in

271:42

the movements will always be frauds

271:44

because no one can compete with the

271:45

number of miracles that a guy can who's

271:47

faking can get. This is why Todd White

271:48

can rise up in your environment and you

271:50

don't correct him.

271:53

This is why when people reach out and

271:54

say, "Hey Bethl, will you help us hold

271:55

Todd accountable?" You will never ever

271:57

do it because it would undermine the

271:59

whole house of cards. fake prophecy,

272:01

fake miracles, fake healings,

272:04

celebrate them as true. I'm not saying

272:07

every prophecy is fake or every healing

272:09

or every miracle sake. Not at all. I'm

272:11

saying that the environment wherein you

272:15

encourage and embrace the fakery is an

272:17

environment that is not honoring to

272:19

Christ. It is harmful and dangerous to

272:20

people and it raises up frauds in your

272:22

midst. And it will always do it over and

272:24

over and over again. You celebrate the

272:26

fakes because that's what it takes. Who

272:29

cares if those feathers are really angel

272:30

feathers? Let's just pretend they are

272:32

because man, people are flying to our

272:34

church from all around the world now

272:36

that they think that angel feathers are

272:38

showing up in our building, that gold

272:39

dust is materializing from thin air

272:41

because of the glory cloud of God. I

272:43

think you're okay with it being fake. I

272:45

think you don't mind, Bill. Chris, I

272:47

think you don't care.

272:50

I think there's some line people cross

272:52

where you go, you know what? You're out,

272:54

Sean. But is that line faking or is that

272:57

line not faking well enough to get away

272:59

with it?

273:00

What are they really getting in trouble

273:01

for?

273:04

So Shawn wasn't exposed because it's so

273:06

pervasive. And I think I believe that

273:08

this is fed by revival culture. Um you

273:11

have to have more miracles than the

273:12

other church. You have to be the place

273:14

where people want to visit. People have

273:16

to come to your place. This Jesus image

273:17

does really works really hard to be like

273:19

this is the hub. This is where the Holy

273:20

Spirit's moving. Morning star. This will

273:22

be the center of the new revival. God's

273:24

going to start a revival in America. Bob

273:25

Jones told us morning star is going to

273:26

be the start. So people are supposed to

273:28

move out there. Bethl, come to Reading.

273:30

Bill, I I'll share a prophecy he gives

273:32

here, a false prophecy encouraging

273:34

people to move to Reading because they

273:35

all want to be the place where people

273:36

come. Right? Remember the rich people,

273:38

come live with me. No, come live with

273:40

me. God is calling you. Now, when you

273:41

add to all of this Bethl's track record

273:44

with things like the physics of heaven

273:45

controversy or um with Brian Simmons and

273:48

the Passion translation and the

273:50

ridiculous and silly and bad things that

273:54

were done in relation to that, there's

273:56

just problem after problem there. There

273:58

is a network of fake prophecy going on

274:00

in the movement. You've got Bob Jones

274:03

who faked. I I'll have more stuff on Bob

274:05

Jones in the future. You've got Paul

274:07

Kaine. you've who just helped us to

274:09

raise up and then defend Shawn BS and

274:12

keep him from being exposed earlier on.

274:13

Mike Bickl, you have William Brandham,

274:15

you have Bob Hartley, you have Chris

274:17

Reed, more on that who tried to bribe

274:19

the guys from the Remnant Radio when

274:21

they were trying to expose him for being

274:22

a fake prophet.

274:23

>> But there is other allegations that we

274:25

are aware of that have come to us.

274:27

>> This will be news for the public.

274:29

>> Be news for everyone. Nobody knows this.

274:30

So you might have heard us online talk

274:33

about knowing that someone has cheated

274:35

prophetically.

274:37

allegations were brought to us um from

274:39

multiple sources. So, we had logged a

274:42

bunch of information suggesting that

274:43

Chris Reed had mined information online

274:47

in his prophetic words. We were informed

274:49

that Rick Joiner knew about this data

274:51

mining that that Chris had already

274:54

confessed this even before taking the

274:55

job at Morning Star. And so, we said,

274:58

"Yeah, but what have you done to make it

275:00

right with the victims?" But the there

275:02

was a couple of other things that

275:03

happened in this exchange. one, I got

275:05

some really when when Chris he found out

275:08

that I was asking questions about him

275:09

that I was poking around. One of the

275:12

people that I had interviewed and asked

275:13

questions about called up Chris and told

275:15

him what I was doing. Chris then sent me

275:18

some really strange text. Hey, I know

275:20

that you're investigating me. Hey, I

275:22

know that

275:24

and and there was like a offer to give

275:27

me money via PayPal, which is exactly

275:28

what he did.

275:31

>> Yeah. Well, it was through PayPal,

275:32

through cash app, what's your Vinmo? It

275:34

was all those kind of things. And when

275:35

we confronted Chris about that, he said,

275:36

'Well, you know, I just kind of had this

275:38

idea that you're supposed to bless those

275:40

who persecute you, and I felt like you

275:41

guys were persecuting me about something

275:43

that I had already repented for and

275:44

tried to own. What was also happening

275:46

was that there was information that we

275:48

didn't know that there was these other

275:50

allegations of grooming this woman who

275:52

was a student at the school of ministry

275:54

at Morning Star that he had done the

275:56

same thing, offered her money. you know,

275:58

there was it was like one allegation was

276:01

siloed from the other allegation and

276:04

those who were bringing this allegation

276:06

forward didn't know about this other one

276:07

over here. And so what you're seeing is

276:09

collectively this is a person who's

276:12

caught and is trying to get his way out

276:14

of it without it becoming public. And

276:16

even in the midst of this, I I begged

276:18

Chris, I said, "Chris, I I don't know

276:21

what the right answer is. I do think

276:23

this needs to be made public. I'm

276:25

begging you to make this public." He

276:27

said, "I understand." I said, "Listen,

276:29

this is going to haunt you the rest of

276:30

your life. Either you do this or someone

276:33

will."

276:33

>> Who who I just saw a video yesterday of

276:35

him apparently faking speaking in

276:38

tongues in Russian because it seems he

276:40

knew there would be a Russian guy

276:41

present. So, he says a phrase in Russian

276:43

that is like, "You should move and come

276:44

to this church." And he says, "That's

276:46

for the online audience. God's calling

276:47

you to move and come to my church." Same

276:50

old, same old. Right? It's always move

276:51

here, move here. That's the That's the

276:52

That's the big thing. I can't

276:58

just let go until I feel the release of

277:00

the Holy Spirit.

277:02

>> Now, this video was just sent to me. It

277:03

actually just happened at Chris Reed's

277:06

new church. And somebody who quote has

277:09

been close to Chris Reed for a few years

277:11

now. Sent this to me. I have to read

277:13

carefully what he said. This is what I

277:15

was told. He believes this to be false

277:17

and was concerned enough to raise the

277:18

alarm. He reached out to somebody and

277:20

sent the video which then ended up with

277:23

me. This is someone that thought what

277:26

Chris did here was so bad and so wrong

277:29

that he needed to raise the alarm. So

277:30

let me show you the reason why this is

277:33

cause for concern.

277:50

Now he's waiting for interpretation and

277:52

at first no one speaks and then a woman

277:54

is congregation gives an interpretation

277:56

that

277:57

doesn't satisfy Chris.

278:00

>> Yeah.

278:02

And so

278:05

as you seek these things

278:08

deal with them in your own heart and by

278:12

the spirit and by my word.

278:16

So, because this isn't the

278:17

interpretation he wants, he's waiting

278:19

for more.

278:22

>> Man, there's a weight of glory.

278:24

>> He decides to say it again. And if you

278:26

look, it looks very clearly like he's

278:27

reading this off of the platform in

278:29

front of him.

278:47

This woman actually goes to interpret it

278:48

again.

278:50

>> And so you see it will be like this. You

278:54

will deal with those things in the

278:56

spirit and it will be released in.

279:00

>> What's funny here is this is a different

279:01

interpretation than the one she brought

279:02

before even though he said the exact

279:04

same thing. and you will know me and

279:06

they will see the love of God in you and

279:10

declare Christ is in their midst.

279:15

>> Hallelujah.

279:21

>> Russia.

279:22

>> Say it again.

279:24

>> Russian.

279:24

>> Get somebody get him a mic. Please help

279:26

me. Back there. Back there.

279:29

>> So this is the pivot moment. This guy

279:32

says, "It's Russian." And immediately

279:34

Chris says, "Say it again." This is

279:36

This, I believe, is what he was waiting

279:37

on the whole time. You're going to see

279:39

this was a well orchestrated, planned

279:41

out thing. So, this comes with a

279:45

request, right? The woman did not get a

279:46

microphone. Not at all. He just let her

279:48

talk. What happens when Chris sees that

279:52

there's a guy who says it's Russian? He

279:53

gets very excited. He gets him a

279:56

microphone.

280:02

And notice that right there, he goes

280:04

rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks

280:06

in tongues, he speaks quiet. He speaks

280:08

kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead,

280:11

this time when he speaks in Russian, he

280:13

speaks very clearly. He doesn't speak

280:14

walking around. He speaks while looking

280:15

at his pulpit. Everything about this

280:17

looks sketchy.

280:19

>> So, it was the Russian. That's

280:21

>> Which was Russian?

280:23

>> Um, like

280:27

>> was it the one that Who gave the

280:28

Russian? You said twice. It was the same

280:31

uh sentence. It's in Russian.

280:37

I called you to be here. Why you resist

280:40

me?

280:42

>> Wow.

280:43

>> It was a twice. Said you said this twice

280:46

in Russian.

280:47

>> I said it twice.

280:48

>> Yes. The same sentence.

280:50

>> I do not know Russian.

280:52

>> Yeah.

280:52

>> You could probably tell by my accent.

280:54

>> Yeah.

281:00

And what is again I the the translation

281:04

>> I called you to be here.

281:05

>> I called you to be here.

281:07

>> Why you resist me?

281:09

>> Why do you resist me?

281:10

>> Yeah.

281:11

>> I called you to be here. Why do you

281:12

resist me? This is a request for people

281:15

to move to his church. Remember I told

281:17

you about the come here strategy? This

281:19

is part of it right here. This is Chris

281:21

Reed doing it.

281:23

That's

281:25

>> someone online.

281:27

>> Yeah.

281:31

>> And God put a Russianspeaking person

281:36

in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds

281:38

like Acts two to me.

281:41

>> We do hear these men. Are they not

281:44

Galileans? Speak in our language the

281:47

wonderful works of God. And this is

281:50

where the payoff comes because if he

281:52

gets people online, okay, this is all,

281:54

of course, all my commentary here is

281:55

based upon observation and what it looks

281:57

like to me. I think that this is

281:59

accurate. This makes the most sense and

282:01

it it fits with the the the person who

282:03

has known him for years who sent this to

282:05

us. Well, to someone who sent it to me,

282:07

I'll just say that. And this just

282:09

happened. This ju this I didn't know

282:11

about this until like yesterday. This

282:12

just happened. And this is the come here

282:15

strategy. I want I want people online to

282:16

come here. And it gets a a bit more deep

282:18

because Chris has just left Morning Star

282:20

Church. That's Rick Joiner's church. He

282:22

left kind of disgraced. Morning Star is

282:25

in a bunch of turmoil because because

282:26

Rick Joiner has put up predators and put

282:28

them into his congregation and his own

282:30

people are now suing him because of

282:32

that. So this come here thing looks like

282:36

it's directed at Morning Star and other

282:38

churches because he wants to get his own

282:40

thing going.

282:46

It goes along with what he preached.

282:49

>> What did I say one more time? I'm so

282:51

drunk.

282:52

>> Sounds to me like just knew that a

282:53

Russian speaker would be there.

282:54

>> The second time you said really well. I

282:57

mean, it was a real clear to hear. Um,

283:00

it it was like, I call you to be here.

283:03

Why you resist? Why do you resist?

283:06

>> I call you to be here. Why do you

283:09

resist?

283:10

>> We want to meet this person.

283:13

Let me tell you, there are I'm pointing

283:15

to camera three right now.

283:19

>> I say this in the fear of God. Yeah.

283:21

Right.

283:22

>> There are people,

283:25

>> you just heard a tongue go forth. And I

283:29

believe in tongues and interpretation.

283:30

That's happened here today. But we

283:32

actually have someone here who speaks

283:34

fluent Russian.

283:36

>> Translation.

283:37

>> That wasn't tongues and interpretation.

283:39

That was tongues and translation.

283:43

I don't know Russian one bit. I barely

283:46

know English.

283:50

>> But there are people that are watching

283:51

and you are invested or at least you

283:54

think you are. And you think your money

283:55

has tied you down. I've put too many

283:58

years. I've put too much money in

284:00

another thing in another place

284:04

and you're plugging holes in a sinking

284:06

ship. I'm informed that this most likely

284:08

is going to be interpreted as him

284:10

referring to Morning Star Church.

284:12

>> But the people that are in the ship

284:14

don't know it's sinking until it goes

284:17

under.

284:17

>> See, he used to be the guy at Morning

284:19

Star and he left. And now he's trying to

284:21

get people to join him

284:22

>> until

284:24

everybody that's in the ship is hoping

284:26

that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm

284:28

not speaking about any one ministry.

284:30

There are others. There are several.

284:32

There are people that God is calling

284:34

here to form this body. I've called you

284:38

here. Why do you resist?

284:41

That's what it said.

284:44

>> But man, I tell you, there are people

284:46

that are listening right now.

284:49

Don't let a lie keep you

284:52

>> from following God.

284:54

>> Again, this commentary is based upon

284:56

what looks to be the case and makes a

284:58

lot of sense with this guy's track

284:59

record. He is manipulating the people of

285:01

God. He's doing this not in the fear of

285:03

God, but for ulterior motives. And and I

285:06

feel bad for the Russian in the audience

285:08

who thinks he just participated in

285:09

something wonderful and amazing and from

285:11

the Holy Spirit.

285:13

This is why we have to blow up coverup

285:15

culture because if the leaders who had

285:17

been over and around Chris Reed would

285:19

call him out as they should, he would

285:21

never have a platform to manipulate

285:23

people like this. You've got who else

285:25

should I mention? You have uh Rick

285:27

Joiner,

285:29

serial equipper of abusers who doesn't

285:31

protect victims and actually shames. He

285:33

actually ended up firing the guy who

285:35

tried to expose Todd Bentley who was

285:37

trying to make a herum of women

285:42

saying he had a David anointing.

285:46

So he he's these foreign for foreign

285:48

women. I won't say what country they're

285:49

from. And he reaches out to them

285:50

privately, gets their numbers and starts

285:51

texting them. Finally, they tell their

285:53

pastor. Their pastor tells this

285:55

individual who tries to expose and get

285:58

accountability and he gets fired because

285:59

of Rick Joiner. What about Augugustine

286:01

Aala and his history with the movement

286:04

or Todd White who still is continuing on

286:07

even though he's been exposed and they

286:08

know he's guilty. They just don't care.

286:10

Um that's my view on it anyways. Benny

286:13

Hinn. Oh my goodness. Benny Hinn. Beny

286:16

Hinn who has his birthday parties at

286:17

Jesus image in their secret building. No

286:19

one's allowed to take pictures of Beny

286:21

Hen. How about Michael Kulanos? Yeah,

286:23

you. Michael Kulanos, Kenneth Copeland,

286:26

and on and on and on. Now, I believe in

286:30

some of the smaller charismatic guys,

286:31

the guys who don't have these gigantic

286:33

ministries. When I've looked into these

286:34

giant ministries, I have routinely found

286:38

the ones who have like the the big signs

286:39

and wonders ones, the ones who are like,

286:40

"No, we have the amazing miracles nobody

286:42

has." I have found routinely that

286:43

there's a lot of fakery and deception

286:45

and problems. That's what I have found

286:47

over and over again. It's a trend. That

286:49

doesn't mean that nobody can be genuine.

286:50

I will never make that mistake of

286:52

thinking everyone's a fraud because

286:53

there's a bunch of people that are

286:54

frauds. That is a fallacy. We shouldn't

286:56

do that. Okay? There's a bunch of fake

286:57

religions, but there's one true one.

286:59

There are fake charis charismatic

287:01

leaders and there are real true good

287:02

charismatic leaders. The question is in

287:04

a culture like this with coverup

287:06

culture, how do you find the real ones?

287:09

And your safest bet is to just be very

287:12

cautious and very careful and very

287:13

thoughtful about these things. I know

287:15

some leaders who I personally believe in

287:17

and I do trust and even if we don't

287:18

agree on everything I trust them, right?

287:20

I don't think they would lie. I don't

287:21

think they would deceive. I don't think

287:23

that they would manipulate. I think that

287:24

they have ministered to people

287:25

powerfully through the work of the Holy

287:27

Spirit. I think they're real. But none

287:30

of those names I just listed, that's for

287:31

sure. So consider the following example.

287:35

Actually said I had more on Bob Jones.

287:37

I'll share some on Bob Jones right now.

287:38

I have more on Bob Jones in the future

287:40

about the clock, the magic clock that

287:42

happened when Bob was dying that they

287:44

said was a sign from God and it was not.

287:48

It was not I I'll tell you the story

287:49

about that some other time.

287:57

So, here's why I bring Bob Jones into it

287:59

at this point. I want you to understand

288:01

that the culture of coverup exists

288:03

because if you pull one thread like

288:05

Shawn Bulls and you expose him openly

288:07

and publicly for what he's done, you

288:09

expose your whole foundation to the same

288:11

kind of exposure and problems. For

288:14

example, Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones his

288:17

impact. I'll I'll let Shawn BS tell you

288:19

about Bob Jones's Bob Jones's impact

288:22

here. Let me do it that way because you

288:24

do need to know this to understand what

288:26

coverup culture is. I had a word when I

288:29

was 15 years old from a friend of mine

288:30

and she said one day in worship time she

288:32

looks at me she says you're going to

288:34

meet Bob Jones and when you do your

288:35

whole life will change but this man was

288:37

in involved with Morning Star Ministries

288:39

with Rick Joiner prophesied the

288:41

buildings they have and what they're

288:42

doing IHOP with international spread

288:44

Mike Bickl prophesied the house of

288:46

prayer movement you know Bethl school of

288:47

ministry prophesied that with pastor

288:49

Bill Johnson Chris Valatin Luingle with

288:51

a call and a send he helped prophesy

288:53

those into being so this man has had a

288:56

prophetic history of movements and

288:57

launching leaders around the body of

289:00

Christ when he gives people words.

289:03

I have

289:04

>> that's the Bob Jones guy, right? Bob

289:05

Jones was this quirky kind of hillbilly

289:08

looking dude talk kind of funny and he

289:11

would prophesy to people and he is at

289:13

the founding. So when Bethl tells the

289:15

story of how their school of

289:17

supernatural ministry gets started,

289:18

guess who is part of it? Bob Jones.

289:20

Prophetically part of it. He's part of

289:22

their prophetic history. Because all

289:23

these people want a prophetic history.

289:25

This is this is a big deal. Okay, we've

289:27

got our anointing. In fact, Chris

289:29

Valadin says that his he was supposed to

289:31

get Bob Jones's mantle, meaning his like

289:33

prophetic anointing when Bob died. Now,

289:36

I' I've seen video where Bob Jones goes,

289:37

"Nobody's going to get my mantle. Nobody

289:39

gets my mantle. Get your own mantle."

289:40

I've heard him say this, right? But

289:42

Chris publicly has said, "Bob Jones

289:43

said, "I get his mantle." Right? They're

289:44

tying their current ministry to his

289:47

anointing when they do this. Lots of

289:50

ministries have done it. That's the

289:51

impact of Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones was

289:55

not a great guy. Bob Jones was a

289:59

disaster and he caused a lot of

290:01

problems. I'll talk a little bit about

290:02

that. Um, but I'll say this. When you

290:04

have a prophecy from Bob Jones talking

290:06

about God doing an amazing work in your

290:08

midst, right? Like when he says,

290:09

"Morning Star will be the beginning of

290:11

the great next the next great revival. I

290:13

saw a vision of a man. and he was laying

290:14

on the and his head was right where

290:16

Morning Star is on the map of the United

290:17

States. And he's going to be this new

290:19

man, the new, you know, Latter-day

290:21

Saints rising up. And I said Latter- Day

290:23

Saints, it's not what I meant. The new

290:26

um end times believers rising up.

290:29

Anyways, Bob Jones prophesied. So,

290:31

Morning Star can use can use this for

290:33

fundraising.

290:34

You know, be part of what God is doing.

290:36

Invest in what the work of the Lord is.

290:38

We have a prophecy about this. Bill

290:39

Johnson could use this for fundraising.

290:41

You can take the credibility that Bob

290:42

never should have had that he that he

290:44

had because of cover-up culture and you

290:47

can use this to do fundraising. So if

290:49

you pull that thread, there's a cost to

290:52

exposing it. So one of the things Bob

290:54

did, which I mentioned earlier, was he

290:56

took two women and he prophesied to them

290:58

that God was going to call them to I'm

291:00

going to use the details here a little

291:01

bit, guys, so forgive me. This is going

291:03

to get gross. Um he told these two

291:06

women, a mother and daughter, that God

291:08

was giving them a special Sarah

291:10

anointing and that they were going to

291:11

like nurse movements or something like

291:13

that. And so they had to take off the

291:15

their clothing, the top of their

291:16

clothing, and he

291:20

he sucked on them. Okay, that's what he

291:22

did. This is what this this man did.

291:24

Then because there were two of them,

291:26

this thing went out. They were like

291:28

this, you know, they felt it was wrong.

291:29

They decided to to expose it. Other

291:31

people were were mad, too. John Whimber

291:33

was really mad because he had just

291:34

partnered with Mike Bickl. This was like

291:36

1991 I think. He had just partnered with

291:38

Bickl. He brought Bickl in. Bickl

291:40

brought in um into the vineyard movement

291:42

in like all these other profit guys.

291:44

Augustine Acca who ended up being a

291:45

predator. Uh Paul Kaine who ended up

291:47

being a predator who faked prophecy and

291:49

even Chuck Smith knew about that. Um and

291:52

uh these other guys. So Bob Jones was a

291:54

big one. He was one of the Kansas City

291:55

prophets. Big deal.

291:58

Publicly there was an apology that went

292:00

out. Bob is he's getting better. He's

292:03

reformed. Privately, Bob was telling

292:05

people, I'll allege this. I think this

292:06

is true. Privately, Bob was telling

292:08

people he is quote more anointed than

292:11

ever. There's a delusional man. He was

292:14

told if he didn't leave Kansas, like

292:15

move out of the he was going to get

292:17

sued. This is what I've what I've been

292:18

told.

292:20

He was mad at John Wimber because John

292:23

Wimber was requiring accountability. I

292:24

think Mike Bickl would have swept this

292:26

under the rug because he swept his own

292:27

sin under the rug for decades even after

292:29

this. But and Paul Kanes uh but I think

292:32

he was mad at John Wimber because John

292:33

Wimber had enough integrity to go no no

292:35

no no no no you're you're done. This is

292:37

wrong and he ended up regretting that he

292:39

had ever connected Vineyard to this

292:41

movement to these guys.

292:43

Now he didn't he wasn't public enough

292:45

about that but that was that was the

292:46

case.

292:47

So Bob's mad at John Wimber. So Bob

292:49

prophesies that LA is going to be

292:51

destroyed and everybody should get out

292:52

of there. He's using prophecy as a

292:55

weapon. Bob Scott tells a story in his

292:58

book. Some say they some say they

292:59

blundered. Um, and I think it's in the

293:02

book or it might have been in a private

293:03

conversation I had with Bob. I'm trying

293:04

to remember now, but Bob Scott tells a

293:06

story of how Bob Jones actually made up

293:09

a prophecy just to attack Bob's

293:10

character because he was mad at him. Bob

293:13

regularly used prophecy prophecy to

293:15

manipulate people. It wasn't just this

293:16

one case. Now, they did get he did get

293:19

exposed and it was sort of publicly

293:21

known, although the details were not

293:23

publicly stated in any kind of way, but

293:26

it was sort of known, right? Here's the

293:28

question I have. When Bob Jones was

293:30

exposed, did they ever do an

293:32

investigation to find out how many

293:33

victims he had, or was it only these two

293:35

women that we ever found out about? Did

293:37

he have a victim in 1990, another one in

293:39

1982, another one in 1995?

293:43

Did he have another one years later?

293:44

Because Bob was reinstated back into

293:46

ministry. He was serving. He was being

293:48

invited to Bethl. He was prophesying to

293:50

them. He was prophesying to their school

293:51

of ministry people.

293:53

And here years and years later, Shawn BS

293:56

is like, "Ba, what a great guy. He's a

293:58

little quirky and he had one mistake."

294:00

But that is not the real story. That's

294:01

cover-up culture that is deceptive. Let

294:04

me give you another example of coverup

294:07

culture. Bill is, I believe, captured by

294:10

these false prophets because the

294:12

scripture says that these these men are

294:13

deceiving and they are deceived. It

294:15

describes certain men. And I think that

294:17

that description, at least that part of

294:18

it, applies to Bill as well. I think

294:20

he's deceiving and deceived.

294:22

Here's an example of Shawn BS doing his

294:26

shtick with Bill Johnson

294:29

um regarding his dad.

294:32

I just saw in heaven what's happening in

294:34

a heavenly scenario and I've seen Bob

294:36

Jones talk to somebody that's kind of

294:38

weirding me out but in a good way. I

294:40

don't know who the person is. I've never

294:41

met him the person he's talking to. But

294:44

um I start seeing a map and I'm driving

294:48

like I'm I'm on

294:50

Olive Street and you turn right and

294:53

there's Gold Street and then you turn

294:56

right and there's Oakridge Street.

294:59

Does this make sense to somebody?

295:02

>> Your mom lives on like Oakidge Street.

295:07

>> Gold Olive. Olive. Then you turn right

295:10

and you turn right at Gold Street.

295:11

determine why it's Oakidge Street.

295:14

>> It sounds like he couldn't remember the

295:15

street order as well and so he jumbled

295:17

it up a bit, but now he's trying to kind

295:18

of rescue it cuz he knows the end result

295:20

is he's got to get to Bill Johnson's

295:22

parents' house, right? Cuz that that's

295:24

where this prophecy is going to going to

295:25

connect.

295:27

>> That's exactly right. Um so, so God's

295:30

talking to somebody, but I don't think I

295:32

don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this

295:34

man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or

295:36

something?

295:37

>> His name is Melvin Earl.

295:41

Wow.

295:43

>> His dad is Melvin. Earl Johnson.

295:46

>> So his dad would always go with uh Earl

295:49

Johnson. That's why everybody called him

295:50

Earl. But his actual first name was

295:52

Melvin. And so he goes, Bob was talking

295:54

to somebody. Oh, I just I I the streets.

295:56

It was your parents house. But it

295:57

couldn't have been your dad he was

295:58

talking to cuz your dad's not Melvin.

296:00

Your dad's Earl. And now he has he's

296:02

wait he's prompted Bill. Now he's

296:04

waiting for Bill to explain it. What?

296:07

He's he's His name is

296:10

Earl and Melvin. Let's watch that again.

296:12

I want you to see it. See how he sets it

296:14

up and see how the response comes.

296:18

>> That's exactly right. Um, so, so God's

296:21

talking to somebody, but I don't think I

296:23

don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this

296:25

man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or

296:27

something.

296:28

>> His name is Melvin Earl.

296:32

>> Wow.

296:34

>> His dad is Melvin or Alvin or Melvin or

296:37

something. Guys,

296:38

>> his name is Melvin Earl.

296:42

>> Wow.

296:44

>> His dad is Melvin Earl Johnson.

296:47

>> So Bob Jones and Melvin Earl are talking

296:49

to each other. Um, Gold Street and I saw

296:52

your dad. Now I know it's your dad. It's

296:54

like I saw he lives.

296:55

>> So now he's going to continue to

296:56

prophesy. He's like, "Oh yeah, I saw Bob

296:57

and your dad talking to each other. He's

296:59

witnessing this in heaven. He's

297:00

communicating with those who have died

297:01

and and he gets this this this prophecy

297:03

related to the street names." Okay, Gold

297:05

Street and all this

297:06

>> on Gold Street. No, but on in the

297:09

natural is Oh, great. That makes sense.

297:10

>> Uh there's Danny Silk to his left and

297:13

Chris Ballatin on his right.

297:15

You guys should all three of you should

297:17

be very angry at Sean. He is he is lying

297:19

to Bill. He's even using his shtick on

297:22

Bill. Does is is Bill doing this thing

297:24

where like you knowingly participate or

297:26

he unknowingly is participating? That's

297:28

the question. I I am beginning to think

297:31

he's knowingly participating, but but I

297:33

don't know for sure. Um, but it's crazy

297:35

that he had the kutzbah to do this to

297:37

like the number one guy uh in Bethl and

297:40

one of the number one guys in the

297:41

charismatic church. Um, but you have to

297:44

go down gold street you need the

297:45

resources. So the anointing is going to

297:47

produce the resources in this next

297:48

season. And I saw the Lord saying that

297:50

there's a there's

297:52

>> that creates fundraising by the way when

297:54

when you have a prophecy the anointing

297:55

is going to produce the resources and

297:57

then you then the rich people are like

297:58

it's time it's time for me to give and

298:00

invest. You know that's what it does.

298:02

There's a release like I said just like

298:03

a Bob Jones word. It was exactly how he

298:05

would give a word. So this is this is

298:07

literal. Yeah. And there's a release of

298:10

uh great provision that's coming out of

298:12

the anointing to plant the oaks. Bill,

298:15

you're going to you're going to get it.

298:16

But there's the anointing to produce the

298:18

gold to produce the oaks of

298:20

righteousness is coming. And and Bob and

298:22

your dad are talking about this

298:24

>> vagaries.

298:27

Vagaries.

298:29

What's it? What's the result of it? It's

298:31

super specific knowledge about like I

298:33

know your dad's real first name. That's

298:34

what you really got here. I know your

298:35

dad's first name and where he lived.

298:37

What is the actual result? Money will

298:39

come and the oaks and the right and that

298:41

you'll you'll understand something cool

298:44

something cool is coming. So he's

298:46

actually doing this to Bill. I think

298:47

Bill is actually deceived. Bill talks

298:49

again. He talks about how he replays

298:51

prophecies from Shambles on his phone.

298:53

He plays them back to him just to listen

298:54

to them. And um I'm under the impression

298:57

that he's very captured by this. That

298:58

he's both deceiving and deceived.

299:01

Both of them.

299:04

Let me mention Paul Kaine cuz now what

299:06

I'm trying to do is I'm trying to show

299:08

you guys there's a larger pattern with

299:09

coverup culture. Shawn Bulls is just the

299:11

rabbit that we chase down the hole. It

299:12

just gets bigger and worse as you go.

299:14

And hopefully now you realize you're

299:16

down the hole too and you realize that

299:17

the charismatic world when it comes to

299:20

guys groups like Bethl and Morning Star

299:22

and IHOP, it is wonderland. It is not

299:24

the real world.

299:27

Paul Kaine,

299:31

Paul Kaine was exposed by one of his

299:34

close confidants. Man, I don't know how

299:36

much this I should even share with you

299:38

guys. I'll tell you some of it. Um,

299:41

a guy named Jack Deer. Jack Deer finally

299:44

came out years and years later to reveal

299:45

that Paul Kane, who was considered one

299:46

of the Kansas City prophets, one of the

299:48

big dogs. He says, "My desire for power

299:51

enabled Paul Kane's manipulation." And

299:53

here he comes out and he tells some of

299:54

the story and you could read through it.

299:56

You could check this out on your own. Um

299:58

it is uh I mean you just Google that. My

300:00

desire for power enabled Paul Kane's

300:02

manipulation by Jack Deer on the divine

300:04

detours substack. Um he goes through a

300:08

bunch of details. He talks about a bunch

300:09

of stuff. Paul Kane helped to prop up

300:11

guys like Mike Bickl. Mike Bickl would

300:13

gather these fake prophets around him

300:14

and then use them. It was it was a

300:16

stickick. And you realize that if you if

300:18

if you don't have to be the prophet, you

300:20

can gather the prophets, right? You can

300:21

be the apostle. That's what Mike Bick

300:23

was. Then you gather the prophets around

300:24

you and they prophesy things to you and

300:26

then you tell other people about them

300:27

and then everybody comes alongside. Is

300:29

that not the same thing I just saw

300:31

happen on stage with Shawn BS

300:34

prophesying to Bill Johnson in front of

300:36

everybody? So it makes him look like the

300:38

anointed one of God and all this kind of

300:40

thing. It's mutually beneficial

300:41

relationship.

300:44

Very importantly,

300:47

Jack Deer says our eventual compromise

300:50

resulted in a statement. He's speaking,

300:52

by the way, of uh Paul came when he was

300:54

exposed for great sin.

300:58

Um being predatory behavior, fake

301:00

prophecy. Sound familiar? Um he says,

301:03

"Our eventual compromise resulted in a

301:05

statement that downplayed the reality of

301:06

Paul's actions, portraying them as

301:08

temporary moral failings rather than

301:09

acknowledging the truth of his lifelong

301:11

predatory behavior." That's what he says

301:13

in this article. And I think it's

301:14

important to recognize that sounds like

301:16

Bethl with BS or Bethl with Bob Hartley.

301:19

that there is a downplaying when the

301:20

statement finally comes out comes out.

301:22

It's more like self-p protection. Uh

301:24

Jack Deer also has an article uh on Mike

301:27

Bickl and his issues and I'll just show

301:29

you the screenshot of it so you can take

301:30

a look at it if you want where he talks

301:32

about some of it. Now these are

301:34

insiders, okay? Um it's important when

301:37

they do come out and I'm glad when they

301:38

do. But now I need to talk about a new

301:41

section here in the video. Bethl's

301:42

pattern of lack of accountability.

301:52

And that's putting it mildly. Let me

301:54

talk about the Show Me the Toes

301:55

controversy. Does that sound more

301:57

interesting? The Show Me the Toes

301:59

controversy. Now, Bill was a guest

302:01

teacher at John Lindell's James River

302:03

Church. You may have heard of James

302:04

River Church. They were in the news

302:05

recently because him um John Lindell and

302:09

uh Mark Driscoll had like a spat and

302:12

they were calling each other names or

302:13

something weird like that. and it was

302:14

about like some guy who was dancing like

302:16

almost like a male stripper at their

302:18

men's event and I am not talking about

302:21

that today but you may have heard of him

302:22

because of that. Um I think it was that

302:25

same guy James Lindell. So Bill was

302:27

speaking at James Lindell's church. Now

302:29

James Lindell loves Bill Johnson. They

302:30

are like tight. When I made a video a

302:33

while back where I talked about Bethl

302:35

and some of the issues with like the

302:36

physics of heaven, I think it was that

302:38

video. John Lindell went public to his

302:40

congregation and to all of the people

302:42

they influenced. I didn't even talk

302:43

about it publicly, but he went public

302:44

and he said, "Don't even watch a

302:46

negative video about Bill Johnson. I

302:48

don't want to hear any of that stuff."

302:50

He said something to that effect. So, he

302:51

doesn't want people watching it. Like,

302:52

information control, thought control.

302:54

Don't even think about it. You see no

302:56

video. Mike Winger does not exist. His

302:58

videos do not exist. Do not consider

303:01

them. So, they're tight. Now, Bill was

303:04

at John Lindell's church and he taught

303:07

about creative miracles. Creative

303:08

miracles meaning like growing back, I

303:10

don't know, some toes. And so he taught

303:12

about creative miracles and then he says

303:16

supposedly tons of people were healed

303:18

and Bill talks about it in a video that

303:19

is still on their YouTube channel. I

303:21

just want to double check. Is it still

303:22

there? I'll just double check.

303:25

Yes, it is still there. Here, I'll just

303:27

I'll show you guys. This is currently

303:28

still on their YouTube channel. Um, and

303:30

that's the title of it. Oh, you can't

303:32

see the title of it. Scroll down. It

303:34

says Bethl Church Service. Haley Braun

303:36

sermon worship with Brian and Jen

303:38

Johnson. That's the name. It was

303:40

streamed 2 years ago, March 19th, 2023.

303:44

Oh, and you can donate to them. There's

303:45

a little donate button right here. You

303:46

guys can donate. Um, so here's the

303:49

thing. Bill is here back at his home

303:52

church talking about the experience he

303:54

had at John Lindell's church, James

303:57

River Church. So, he's giving the

303:58

testimony. This isn't the video of him

304:00

at the church, okay? The actually the

304:01

testimony is the important part. Let me

304:03

now play for you what he said about it.

304:06

It's one of the most um incredible weeks

304:09

of my life this last week for quite a

304:11

few reasons, but one I was I was at a

304:14

great great church in Springfield,

304:16

Missouri and uh James River Church

304:19

there. Great amazing pastors. Just can't

304:23

can't speak high too high of them. We

304:26

had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

304:28

of miracles over three nights.

304:31

>> Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

304:33

miracles over three nights. Usually

304:35

Bill's fake miracles come with just

304:37

claims that a whole bunch of people got

304:38

healed. A whole someone's liver is

304:40

getting healed. Raise your hand if

304:41

that's you. Amen. Praise God. Miracle.

304:43

That's all it takes. Right? So he claims

304:45

here um hundreds of miracles. But

304:47

there's one specific miracle that he's

304:49

going to highlight and we're going to

304:50

chase that trail because we want them to

304:54

show us the toes. But but the last one

304:56

is the one I want to tell you about. The

304:58

last night a woman was there who had

305:00

been shot twice by her husband. Anybody

305:02

else glad that Jesus heals the inside as

305:05

well as the outside?

305:06

>> Tragic story of this woman. Um, she had

305:09

three toes amputated as a result of

305:11

being shot, I guess, in the foot. Um,

305:13

crazy. Yeah. And because of it, she had

305:17

to have three toes amputated. And I

305:19

happened that evening to be talking

305:21

about creative miracles that we've seen.

305:23

And we just began to pray just randomly

305:25

for creative miracles. And this gal was

305:27

at one of the other campuses and said,

305:29

"I want my to do back." And so another

305:31

guy was praying for her. Took about 30

305:34

minutes, but they saw the bone come

305:35

wrapped in flesh completely grow out.

305:39

And by morning, the toenails, everything

305:41

had formed. She got three brand new

305:43

toes. Three brand new toes.

305:46

Be with me. The woman who did the

305:48

praying, her husband is a medical doctor

305:51

and he came and examined and yep, he's

305:53

got three brand new toes. So that works.

305:56

I I guess a person with the three new

305:58

toes would know, but it's also nice to

306:00

have a doctor come and check things out

306:02

and say, "Guess what? This is for real."

306:05

>> Yeah. Yeah. You don't need a doctor to

306:07

confirm whether toes exist or don't

306:08

exist. That's pretty easy to do. Um but

306:12

what a wild claim.

306:15

One with hundreds and hundreds and

306:16

hundreds of miracles. I'll tell you one

306:18

story. Here's one really cool. One of

306:20

the best times of his life. He says,

306:21

"This woman had three toes. They grew

306:24

back by morning. They were fully grown.

306:25

A doctor confirmed it. Her toes. All

306:28

right, let's learn more about the toe

306:30

situation because it gets

306:32

stinky.

306:34

>> As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over

306:36

the next 30 minutes. This is John

306:38

Lindell. He's telling the story from his

306:40

own pulpit about the same lady. Okay, so

306:42

she got healed. He's going to So Bill's

306:44

Bill's using it. He's telling the story.

306:46

And now John Lindell's using it as well.

306:48

Listen to how he tells it. It's a little

306:49

different. All three toes grew and by

306:52

that point were longer than her pinky

306:54

toe.

306:56

Within an hour, nails began to grow on

306:59

all the toes

307:03

because her miracle is real. It's

307:05

genuine. What I want to assure you of is

307:08

it's real.

307:10

It's real. It's real. It's real. It's

307:13

real. So um

307:17

it is a legitimate miracle and you know

307:21

we can provide the kind of proof that

307:23

would be necessary people that

307:25

>> they can provide the proof. It would be

307:27

easy right? Show us the toes.

307:30

>> Have you seen pictures of the toes? I

307:31

have. So I've seen the picture uh of the

307:34

toes.

307:36

The picture of the toes.

307:40

So John Lindell and Bill Johnson both

307:43

presenting this as 100% true. One says

307:45

verified by a doctor here. He's they

307:47

have their timelines are both different

307:48

here, but he's saying, "Yeah, even the

307:50

nails grew back." As in there was there

307:52

wasn't even like the whatever the stuff

307:54

is that grows nails, you know, and that

307:55

didn't exist, right? The toes grew back,

307:57

the bones repaired, the the skin, the

307:59

flesh, and even the nails come in. It's

308:02

real. It's real. It's real. I promise

308:03

you it's real. We have the proof. This

308:06

is actually from John Lind. This is

308:08

super important. We know this. John

308:09

Lindell's ministry. They put this video

308:12

up of this woman. So, they're promoting

308:14

her face. They're showing her face.

308:16

They're having her tell her story. This

308:18

wasn't internet slleuth that did this.

308:19

This was them. And here's her telling

308:21

the story.

308:22

>> So, I had three toes that were amputated

308:25

in a in a terrible accident. I heard the

308:27

word for creative miracles and I

308:29

thought, well, I certainly have a

308:31

creative miracle that I

308:32

>> That was from Bill Johnson. The word for

308:34

creative miracles was Bill Johnson. So,

308:35

she's like, yeah, I want that. I might

308:37

need I need three toes to grow back. The

308:40

person next to me said, "Do you want new

308:42

toes?" And I was like, "Well, sure." All

308:45

the women got down and they prayed over

308:47

my foot and I decided to take my shoe

308:49

off to see what was happening. When he

308:50

said, "Let's see the progress or if

308:52

anything's happened." And when I did, I

308:54

had to grab the person next to me and

308:56

say, "Do you see what I see?"

308:58

>> So immediate visible change of healing

309:02

is what she's claiming. And I saw three

309:05

toes that were forming and now there's

309:09

length to them tonight. I can stand on

309:11

my tippy toes. Listen. Do you

309:13

understand? I can stand on tippy toe.

309:16

No, I couldn't do that cuz I didn't have

309:18

toes to tippy on.

309:22

>> He's playing this first congregation.

309:25

>> All right. Come on. Let's bless the

309:26

Lord. He's Jehovah Rafa.

309:31

Lord, we praise you.

309:35

You're embarrassing the name of God with

309:37

this John Lindell.

309:40

The most obvious thing to do is show us

309:43

your toes. They grew back. Show them.

309:44

Show us. Like why didn't she just take

309:46

her

309:48

thing her shoe off and her sock off and

309:50

just show like right then and there when

309:51

she's doing the interview. Instead, she

309:52

does this thing where I can stand on my

309:53

tippy toes. I couldn't do that before. I

309:55

didn't have toes. I don't know what that

309:56

means. Okay. Like you could cut off all

309:59

of my toes and I could still push up

310:01

onto the top of my foot. I I don't know

310:03

what that means. Okay.

310:06

But it's proof. There's proof. There's

310:07

proof. Now people are asking. They're

310:09

like, "Dude, you guys are Look, 468,000

310:11

views of just the short of you guys

310:13

putting this. I think this might have

310:14

been Instagram or I don't know what this

310:16

was. Is that Twitter? I don't remember.

310:18

Um, whichever one it was, that's just

310:20

one spot where this is being recounted.

310:22

And people are asking, they're like,

310:24

"Show us the proof." Somebody actually

310:26

started a website called Show Us the

310:28

Toes or Show Me the Toto toes.com,

310:29

something like that. And um and they

310:31

were asking for the proof and trying to

310:32

catalog whether or not there was

310:34

actually any evidence. So John Lindell's

310:36

under pressure now. He's put her face in

310:39

front of everybody. He's told the story.

310:41

Bill Johnson's told the story and people

310:42

want evidence. He said he had the proof.

310:44

Just show it. Now he's going to Here's a

310:46

compilation of him explaining why he's

310:47

not going to show any of the proof.

310:51

>> How many miracles do you have to see?

310:55

before you believe.

310:58

You know, there are some of you and

310:59

you've heard miracle over 4,000 now.

311:02

You've heard miracle after miracle of

311:04

healing and you're still sitting there

311:05

saying, "Well, you know, I just don't

311:07

know.

311:09

I got to see the toes."

311:15

He's shaming us. I'm going to tell you

311:17

what, see the toes all you want, you're

311:19

still not going to believe

311:21

>> because unbelief never has enough proof

311:25

because her miracle is real. It's

311:26

genuine. Uh people are saying, "Well, if

311:28

it's genuine, why aren't you why aren't

311:30

you doing anything with it to publicize

311:32

it?" There's a couple of reasons that I

311:34

want to say to you. First of all,

311:37

>> his first reason is going to be I want

311:39

to protect her, right? Even though he

311:41

put her face out already. Let's listen

311:42

to this. Um, I'm less interested in

311:44

proving to people what I know God did

311:47

than I am in protecting sheep who are

311:50

vulnerable.

311:52

I'm going to tell you why I believe this

311:53

is totally a a complete lie.

311:57

And I'm I'm going to protect sheep

311:59

first. That's my first concern is for

312:02

her.

312:03

Right? So, um, right now the scenario is

312:06

you put this woman up. You told

312:08

everybody about her mir miracle

312:09

experience. the internet is doubting

312:11

you, is doubting her, is doubting that

312:12

this is real. And they there are people

312:14

who are bothering her on social media

312:16

and stuff like this and they don't

312:18

believe that it's real. So, she actually

312:20

at this point wanted to prove it was

312:23

real. She wants people to know it's

312:26

real. It's real. She's trying to put the

312:28

evidence out there. She actually

312:29

eventually posts a photo of her own foot

312:31

on her Facebook page. I think it was

312:32

Facebook. And it's the only thing that

312:34

John Lindell won't do is actually show

312:36

the proof cuz then people would

312:37

celebrate. Oh my gosh, look at this

312:39

great miracle that God's actually healed

312:40

you. You could show us the photo before

312:42

and you could show us the photo after.

312:44

We we've got there's probably police

312:46

records to prove about the shooting or

312:47

medical records. Like this is a great

312:48

example of a miracle, which by the way,

312:50

I'd be very excited to see. Okay, I

312:52

believe in miracles. I think there are

312:54

real examples and even real evidential

312:55

examples of miracles. But you don't fake

312:57

them and then lie to your congregation

312:59

and then gaslight people. You wouldn't

313:01

believe anything. You wouldn't believe

313:03

anything. But that's not, you know,

313:04

that's not true. That's not true. You

313:07

don't have categories of people who

313:08

either believe nothing or they believe

313:10

everything John says. This isn't these

313:11

aren't the two kinds of people in the

313:12

world. So

313:16

to protect her, he won't show the proof,

313:18

but he'll put her face up so that her

313:20

testimony of the miracle is there and

313:22

people are investigating and looking

313:23

into it. The only thing he won't do is

313:24

show the proof. Well, she wanted to show

313:26

it. So, she goes on social media herself

313:29

and posts her afterpics because she's

313:31

trying to convince everybody that it's

313:32

real. She doesn't like that people are

313:34

doubting it. She wants them to believe.

313:36

So, she made a video, she talks about

313:37

it, and this is a screen cap from that

313:40

where she shows us her after photo, and

313:42

then people uh zoomed into one of her

313:44

previous photos on Facebook, her before

313:46

photo, and you can see the difference.

313:49

There isn't one. Um, there are no nails.

313:53

That's not a There's still three toes

313:55

that have been have significant

313:57

amputation. And when you look at the

313:58

before pictures, they look the same. I

313:59

don't have to even tell you guys. You

314:00

can see it for yourself. John Lindell

314:02

told his congregation, "I've seen the

314:04

photos. It's real. It's real. it's real.

314:06

That was a baldfaced lie based upon this

314:09

evidence.

314:11

When he was challenged on it, he gaslit

314:14

and he condemned and he uh basically

314:17

accused other people of them having a

314:19

problem. And that was the reason why

314:20

they were even asking for evidence. He

314:22

assured us that they'd seen 4,000

314:24

miracles already,

314:26

these kinds of miracles.

314:28

Because in coverup culture, you're also

314:31

covering up that your miracles aren't

314:32

always real, aren't you?

314:35

Right? You can't expose anything because

314:37

if you expose anything, it might expose

314:39

everything. That's coverup culture.

314:42

But it feels so good, man. You feel like

314:44

you're the place. John Lindell's James

314:46

River Church. This is the place where

314:47

God is moving. And if you go like, "Is

314:49

God really moving?" They're like, "What

314:50

is wrong with you? You have unbelief.

314:52

What is wrong with you?" This is part of

314:54

coverup culture. Supposedly, it was

314:56

verified by a doctor. That's what Bill

314:58

Johnson told his people. He's still

315:00

telling his people that. still up on

315:01

their YouTube and it's still currently

315:03

propagating more deception. And I'm

315:07

going to give you another example. This

315:08

is an example of a prophecy fail from

315:10

Bill uh Bill Johnson. So, let's look at

315:14

this clip. This is from 2009. And the

315:16

reason why we're going back all the way

315:17

back to 2009 is because I want us to

315:19

understand that the prophecy didn't come

315:21

to pass. And so, we have to give some

315:23

space of time. If you prophesied

315:24

something last year, it maybe I haven't

315:26

given enough time for it to take place.

315:28

Here's a 2009 prophecy. It comes from

315:31

Bill from the pulpit, but originally

315:32

from another pastor. We'll tell you all

315:34

about it. This is actually uh a video

315:36

also from Steven Kosar who's done some

315:38

great work on this stuff. And here Steve

315:42

calls it out. Now, I I've I've cut up

315:45

Steve's video. It's not his full video,

315:46

but it's it's enough that I think it'll

315:48

get us get the point across. So, here we

315:50

go. The failed prophecy of Bethl

315:53

Reading. the failed prophecy that I will

315:55

add again a move to reading type

315:58

prophecy where he's trying to get people

315:59

to uproot their lives and move to his

316:01

town.

316:02

>> Um for whatever reason I don't always

316:03

read the words that we get the prophetic

316:05

words u u but this one was given to me

316:08

this week by Steve Wit. Steve Wit has

316:11

been a very accurate and faithful

316:13

prophetic voice. Very accurate and

316:16

faithful prophetic voice to us. A great

316:18

encouragement to me. uh his daughter was

316:20

a part of our school of ministry for a

316:22

couple years and uh he was just with us

316:24

I think last Sunday before anyway he

316:27

wrote this word and

316:28

>> okay again uh it doesn't mean anything

316:30

when Bill says someone's very accurate

316:32

and faithful because he said that about

316:34

Shawn Bulls and then continued to

316:37

endorse him even after everything was

316:38

exposed um insanely

316:42

so let's look at the prophecy

316:44

>> and uh there's one phrase in here that

316:47

that helped me to realize I really need

316:49

to read this to you even though the

316:51

whole thing is good for all of us. Um,

316:54

this is the reading anointing, a chief

316:57

navigator in perilous times. Remember

316:59

that phrase for you.

317:00

>> I think the shortcut to Bill's heart is

317:02

prophesy something good about him.

317:04

>> Chief navigator in perilous times.

317:06

Reading is about to advance quickly as a

317:08

city doubling in size.

317:10

>> Steve Wit should have said that the next

317:12

decade is going to be the slowest growth

317:14

that Reading has seen in a hundred

317:16

years.

317:18

First prophecy, Reading's going to

317:19

double in size. That was 2009. And you

317:23

can see Steve's got numbers up through

317:24

2019. I can give you their population in

317:26

2024 is 93,500.

317:29

It didn't double in size. It went from

317:31

89861

317:33

um in 2010 up to 93502,

317:37

which is uh not not doubling in size,

317:41

not remotely

317:44

>> doubling in size. a boom town. That

317:46

which was the butt of California jokes.

317:50

Hey,

317:53

will become a jewel.

317:55

>> I want to take a moment to point

317:57

something out. What happened in Reading

317:59

or right outside of Reading in the Carr

318:02

fire in July of 2018, this so-called

318:05

fire NATO is one of the rarest and most

318:09

terrifying weather events literally in

318:11

the history of all weather forecasting,

318:15

all recordeping about weather events.

318:18

It's almost unprecedented in all of

318:21

weather history. Um, let me show you an

318:23

article about this. California viral

318:27

fire tornado has scientists searching

318:29

for answers. Weather geeks went wild

318:32

last week when the National Weather

318:33

Service announced that the car fire near

318:35

Reading, California, had spawned the

318:37

equivalent of an EF3 tornado on July

318:40

26th. And for good reason. Fire

318:42

tornadoes are among the rarest weather

318:44

phenomena on Earth. And this vortex had

318:46

the added distinction of possibly being

318:48

the strongest tornado-like thing in

318:51

California history. Now, I've lived my

318:54

whole life in the Midwest of the United

318:55

States, and I've had to deal with

318:57

tornadoes, and they are terrifying. Any

319:00

size tornado is terrifying. An EF3 is

319:02

very severe. It does incredible damage.

319:05

But that's not what happened in Reading.

319:07

It was an EF3 tornado combined with up

319:09

to 2700°

319:12

of fire. This was truly horrifying.

319:16

>> And some of those tornadoes, they were

319:18

classifying those as equal to an F3,

319:21

possibly an F4 tornado that you would

319:23

see back east. Uh the only difference is

319:26

is they estimated the temperature in

319:28

these tornadoes to be 2,700°.

319:31

>> Will become a jewel where um I'll just

319:35

add in here real quick. Housing prices

319:37

in Reading, California, you can look

319:39

this up yourself. They have increased uh

319:41

as all have in in California, but at a

319:44

much lower rate than the rest of

319:45

California. Significantly lower rate

319:47

than the rest of California. It's not a

319:49

boom town. There's nothing booming,

319:51

right? And there was no prophetic

319:53

warning about the car fire in 2018. And

319:55

they had no prophetic warning about

319:57

COVID. And they actually closed their

319:59

healing rooms. They have healing rooms,

320:00

special healing rooms to heal people,

320:01

right? They closed them uh during CO.

320:04

There was the reading anointing that

320:06

would be the chief navigator in times of

320:09

peril that Bill Johnson so proudly spoke

320:12

about in 2009. Nobody saw this coming.

320:16

It was terrible. It was horrible. And it

320:18

was not something that anybody

320:20

predicted. They predicted nothing but

320:22

good. And they got so far nothing but

320:24

bad.

320:25

>> I sense that Governor Schwarzenegger

320:26

will be a key. I saw him coming to

320:28

Reading, a veil being removed off his

320:30

face. He will see Reading as it is seen

320:33

by heaven.

320:36

Um, sometimes this works where they

320:37

actually you would get that prophecy

320:39

into the hands of the guy like of of of

320:41

Governor Schwarzenegger at the time and

320:43

then maybe they'll do something because

320:44

the prophecy can kind of make it happen

320:46

cuz they get excited. They're like the

320:47

center of some prophetic thing. Um, but

320:50

it didn't happen.

320:53

He will blow a trumpet declare to all of

320:54

California that Reading is open for

320:56

business. This will be a turning point

320:58

and a draw for business in Reading. be a

321:01

magnetism as well as attracting national

321:04

headquarters to the area. Properties

321:07

will skyrocket.

321:09

>> Properties will skyrocket. Again, the

321:11

growth of property prices in Reading,

321:13

California is lower than the state

321:15

average in California. It's slower

321:17

growth, not not faster, no skyrocketing.

321:20

>> This is the time to buy to buy and build

321:23

in Reading. If you had bought and built

321:25

in Reading because of this prophecy from

321:27

Bill Johnson, you would have made a poor

321:29

investment, possibly lost money and

321:31

missed out on other opportunities. But

321:33

again, these guys love telling people

321:35

that God's calling them to move into

321:36

their town, especially people with lots

321:39

of money to buy and build and do big

321:41

businesses. It's a common thing in this

321:43

culture.

321:46

>> I also said that commuter flights from

321:48

Sacramento to Reading would soon be

321:49

offered, I believe, within 2 years, but

321:51

I'm not clear on that. it will be a sign

321:54

that a new level is emerging. Watch for

321:56

>> Um Steve says this never happened. I've

321:58

uh I did a little bit of research on

322:00

this and I was trying to confirm that uh

322:02

the commuter flight thing. Um it looks

322:04

to me like there was some commuter

322:05

flights back in like the 80s. There used

322:07

to be more and now generally no, there

322:09

are not commuter flights as a general

322:10

rule uh from San Francisco to Bethl. He

322:13

would like that cuz Bill likes to go to

322:15

one of the most expensive restaurants in

322:16

the world in Sacramento a lot of the

322:18

time.

322:18

>> The name of the airline, I sense it will

322:21

have a prophetic meaning. Finally, I

322:22

wrote a prayer on the morning of Sunday

322:24

last while in reading. I submit it as it

322:26

is a prayer. I bless you with reading. I

322:29

bless you reading with revelation from

322:31

heaven. May you understand the times and

322:34

know what to do. You are a sial in the

322:36

spirit. His light will cause you to heal

322:39

the past, comprehend the present, and

322:42

interpret the future.

322:44

>> Reveal your secrets.

322:46

>> This is Steve Kosar's video style. Tell

322:49

us all.

322:51

>> He has given you eyes to see and will

322:54

establish you as a think tank. Think

322:56

tank. National business headquarters

322:58

will be drawn here. Writing will shine

323:00

like a city of hope. Do not fear. Open

323:02

the door. As you open this earthly door,

323:04

my heavenly door will exhaust you with

323:07

my blessing. Anybody ready to be

323:09

exhausted? Oh.

323:12

Um to my knowledge, none of this none

323:14

not a single one of these things happen.

323:16

But when this word goes out, prophecy

323:18

from Bill, guys, Bill's sharing a

323:20

prophecy from this other guy. And and

323:21

and it's like we're trusting God for it.

323:23

Move to reading. Start your business in

323:25

Reading. It's going to be a boom town.

323:26

Get your real estate. You know, I'm

323:28

going to buy a few homes because then I

323:29

can resell them after the the the boom

323:31

happens. And no, instead the car fire

323:34

burns up your house. Uh no, instead it's

323:36

got slower growth than other communities

323:38

around it. And there's no booming.

323:40

Businesses are not reaching out. There's

323:42

no commuter flights to to to anywhere

323:44

from Sacramento or whatever it was. He

323:46

said, "This just not this is not

323:47

happening.

323:49

>> Ready to be exhausted. Exhaust me with

323:52

your blessings." That's right. Here's

323:54

five statements. This is a time for

323:56

hospitality.

323:57

This is a time to buy.

323:59

>> Time to buy. Again, prophetically

324:02

counseling people to spend large amounts

324:04

of money in a way that would indirectly

324:06

benefit their local church. That is bad.

324:11

Once again, please please evacuate

324:13

everyone and and stay safe. Have a good

324:15

night.

324:17

>> This is a time to learn deeper in the

324:19

spirit. This is a time for deep

324:21

relationships.

324:23

The party will not end.

324:28

>> That's a good word.

324:30

Now, it's important that I point out at

324:31

this point um there is no accountability

324:34

for these types of statements from Bill

324:36

Johnson or from other people uh in the

324:38

movement.

324:40

there there just isn't even even though

324:42

they all know it's wrong they're just

324:44

like well at least he was hopeful at

324:45

least he was and and you guys don't

324:47

realize like the charismatics like you

324:48

don't realize like you've been

324:49

brainwashed to think that way like this

324:51

actually really matters there's people

324:53

whose lives were probably harmed

324:55

significantly because they believed this

324:57

word that wasn't from the Lord and then

324:58

it benefited Bethl because people are

325:00

moving people are investing in things

325:02

that that draw attention to the church

325:04

and make the church more of that much

325:05

more of a hub um which it's a

325:10

It's a problem. Um, he says Steve Wit

325:12

has been a very accurate and faithful

325:13

prophetic voice to us.

325:15

Do you know that Wit sells courses on

325:17

how to be more prophetic? He sells

325:19

courses on those. So, Whit had a

325:20

financial benefit from this most likely.

325:23

2004 was a turning point for Bethl. It

325:27

was as if the enemy couldn't hold his

325:28

finger in the dyke any longer. This is

325:30

the reading anointing. Okay, not true.

325:33

Didn't happen. But this is the come here

325:35

strategy. I want to point this out

325:36

again. I think it's very important

325:37

because I know Jesus image does this,

325:39

Morning Star does this, IHOP would do

325:40

this, um Chris Reed just did this in a

325:43

video and the idea is prophetically tell

325:46

people that they have to relocate to

325:48

your local ministry thing so that you

325:50

can keep building and building and

325:51

building. Um this is the center of the

325:53

coming revival. This is where God's

325:54

spirit is working. This is where your

325:56

healing comes. Right? If you if you just

325:58

get here, if you just sell everything

326:00

and travel here, maybe God will heal you

326:02

of that problem that you have. You

326:03

should expect it, right? That's the

326:05

implication of things. The Bethl

326:07

narrative is that they are in a long

326:08

steady march towards incredible healing

326:10

and prosperity. Remember Benny joked

326:14

about how no one should die. She

326:16

tragically passed away from cancer in

326:18

2022.

326:21

So why was this prophecy read from the

326:22

stage if it wasn't true? If it wasn't

326:24

from the Holy Spirit. It was read from

326:26

the stage because it served their

326:27

purposes of being the revival culture

326:29

place and the come here strategy. I

326:31

think that that's why. Let me give you

326:33

another example.

326:35

I I man I hate doing these videos.

326:37

Another example, this I I struggle with

326:39

whether I would share this or not. This

326:40

is the wake up olive controversy. Okay,

326:42

there was this beautiful little girl

326:44

that passed away and for a week or

326:47

around a week they would not allow her

326:50

to be buried or reclaim her body. And um

326:54

the reason is because they were going to

326:55

raise her from the dead cuz Bethl had

326:57

has in the past they've had dead raising

326:59

teams like a team who was like where the

327:00

dead raising team. They've claimed that

327:02

multiple people have been raised from

327:03

the dead, although I haven't ever seen

327:04

any examples. I'd love to talk. That'd

327:07

be so exciting, guys. That would be

327:08

awesome. I would celebrate this. I don't

327:09

care if it was Bethl who did it. I would

327:10

be like so happy.

327:13

But they instead did this. The worship

327:15

leaders and the parents even in on it.

327:17

Everybody in on it. They for a week they

327:20

scream and holler and they sing worship

327:22

songs and they promise and they prophesy

327:24

and they proclaim that she's going to

327:25

raise from the dead in a way that is

327:27

just so tragic. Here's a tiny piece of

327:29

it.

327:35

in Jesus name.

327:42

Jesus name.

327:55

It was deeply irresponsible for the

327:57

pastors to allow this to take place.

327:59

Now, if you had a revelation from God

328:01

that um Olive was going to be healed, um

328:04

that she was going to be raised, then it

328:06

would be deeply faithful. But you had no

328:08

such revelation. You prophesied, you

328:10

guys prophesied, you guys proclaimed,

328:12

you guys made it hugely public, you

328:13

embarrassed the body of Christ, you

328:14

embarrassed yourselves. And it was

328:16

because of your guys teaching of

328:17

prophecy. It just doesn't matter if

328:19

you're wrong. You're allowed to say what

328:21

you want. Bill has taught, I heard him

328:23

teach this, I actually have it in a

328:24

video somewhere from years ago where

328:26

he's actually taught that sometimes with

328:27

prophecy, you can prophesy something

328:29

that God isn't even saying and then God

328:31

will say it because you prophesied it.

328:34

That is called fake prophecy. But that

328:37

is the teaching that's behind, I think,

328:38

the wake up all of controversy. And you

328:40

could look into that more on your own if

328:41

you want. I'm so

328:44

um

328:46

it's it's so sad. I didn't even want to

328:47

talk about it, but I wanted to mention

328:49

it because once again, Bethl has a

328:52

problem. And it's all connected. The

328:53

treatment of prophecy, the treatment of

328:55

miracles, the treatment of all of these

328:56

things is connected. And I call it

328:59

cover-up culture because you're going to

329:00

cover up the fake and you're going to

329:02

try to celebrate it like it's real. And

329:04

it doesn't matter when people fake. So

329:07

Bethl has a problem. They endorsed Benny

329:09

Hint. They endorsed Kenneth Copeland.

329:10

They endorsed Todd Bentley as like this

329:12

great coming apostle guy, right? They

329:15

platformed Todd White with the the

329:18

Passion translation. Bill wrote the

329:19

forward to the thing and is was selling

329:20

their own version of it even though it's

329:23

bad news. Then we have Bob Hartley.

329:26

I did a whole video on this. I won't get

329:28

into that video. Bob Hartley, bad dude,

329:31

faking prophecy for generations. Are you

329:33

getting sick of this? You guys realizing

329:35

why I say cover up culture and it's a

329:37

systematic problem in the charismatic

329:38

church and it's not all charismatic

329:40

churches but in particular I've looked

329:41

into like Morning Star Bethl IHOP uh

329:45

William Brandom and and the movements

329:46

and stuff that have spawned from him.

329:48

This stuff

329:51

it's a problem. So

329:54

Bob Hartley goes back with Mike Bickl.

329:56

He goes back to Bob Jones. Right? That's

329:59

him with Bob Jones and Mike Bickl. And

330:02

when Bob Jones got pulled out of

330:03

ministry, Bob Hartley, oh, I meant to

330:05

put on your screen. So, Bob Hartley,

330:08

let's talk about briefly mention some of

330:10

the Bob Hartley saga. I'll link the

330:12

video down below that will give all the

330:15

information. I'll just mention some of

330:16

it now. Um, because the way Bethl

330:18

handled it again shows coverup culture.

330:20

It's a pattern. It's a plan. It's the

330:22

way business is done. That's how I

330:24

understand it.

330:26

So, here's Bob Harley with Mike Pickle.

330:28

They're good pals. They go way, way

330:30

back. Here's Bob Hartley with Mike Bickl

330:32

and with Bob Jones and they go obviously

330:34

way back. When Bob Jones fell in 1990s,

330:37

early 90s, Bob Hartley, I'm told, became

330:39

the go-between. If you wanted to talk to

330:40

Bob Jones, you had to go through Bob

330:42

Hartley. And Bob was exposed. Okay.

330:46

Michelle Sidler in January of 2024, she

330:48

exposed Bob for being a predator against

330:51

women, for offering to pay women for,

330:53

you know, what um and a bunch of other

330:55

stuff. and his son then came out in um

330:59

March 6th of 2024

331:02

showing that his dad had been faking

331:03

prophecy that his dad said it's normal

331:05

in the movement and everybody does it.

331:06

Um and he gave specific examples and

331:09

that his dad was also being predatory

331:10

towards women and he only came out the

331:13

son Jedodiah who I interviewed and I'll

331:15

link that interview down below. The son

331:17

only came out publicly because Bethl

331:19

wouldn't and if Michelle Syler of Bethl

331:21

had come out publicly she wouldn't have

331:23

had to either but they wouldn't do it. I

331:25

go through the whole drama. We talk

331:27

about all of it in the video I'll link

331:28

down below. I'll just show you a little

331:30

little bits of it. Okay. According to

331:32

Michelle, they knew about Bob back in

331:35

2016 or 17. They knew about his

331:37

predatory behaviors. And an email went

331:40

out to Bethl leadership only and it was

331:43

very vague and it was basically don't go

331:45

to Bob's house. Don't talk to don't have

331:48

do stuff with Bob. That was kind of what

331:49

it was. But it didn't explain why. It

331:51

didn't warn people. I had a former staff

331:53

member of Bethl reach out and go, "Yeah,

331:54

I remember that email." And it was so

331:56

vague, we didn't know what it meant. Bob

331:58

was still active in Bethl even after

332:00

that. He was still praying on people in

332:01

their church. Even after that,

332:04

his patterns were offering money to

332:05

women

332:07

um for intercourse and also pushing

332:09

himself physically on people. Michelle

332:11

says that he came to her house

332:12

intoxicated, pulled all his clothes off,

332:14

and chased her around the room. What is

332:15

it with these guys? and just uninvitedly

332:18

disroing.

332:21

And the prophecy stuff, he would

332:22

prophesy to girls that he was going to

332:24

marry them and about how wonderful they

332:26

would be and all this stuff. And he

332:27

would flash his money around and he

332:28

would use this to try to, you know,

332:30

carnal pleasures. Here's a creepy video

332:32

that Bob sent to a woman he had met one

332:34

time and prophesied over one time and

332:36

then he sent her this video. He's trying

332:38

to offer her money in order to get her

332:41

Well, I'll just play the video.

332:44

>> This is me right now.

332:46

I don't need a woman to be near me or be

332:49

with me. But I love the bless and I've

332:52

worked hard and I would do that. But I

332:56

don't need this. I know everybody's

332:59

having a hard life. Everybody's been

333:01

treated all that stuff. But I said, I'll

333:04

meet you in the parking lot with money.

333:07

You can go away, you know. Right. You

333:11

know, I am tempted to send you some

333:14

beforehand because I believe in your

333:16

heart.

333:18

But, you know, I worked all week. So, I

333:22

have just a relaxing night. I got a

333:26

fireplace over here. A beautiful,

333:29

beautiful room and house. I got to clean

333:31

it up a little, but with my back

333:35

porches, the golf, of course. It's an

333:38

unbelievable house. And there's I don't

333:40

have it on, but that's the

333:43

gas fireplace. And that's Ring Grant.

333:46

And this is so cozy back here, baby. And

333:50

with the fire on, so I just want to

333:54

relax, you know. I'm not a flipped

333:57

around. I think I'm not a saxophone,

334:01

you know.

334:04

But I am the love

334:07

where I love that intimacy.

334:10

>> It seems pretty obvious what's happening

334:11

here is he's flashing money. He's trying

334:14

to trying to seduce this woman using

334:16

himself in a mirror, but also money. Um,

334:20

she didn't like it. She sent this over

334:21

to Michelle Syler. That that is

334:22

something she actually posted online.

334:24

And she also posted a a testimony of a

334:26

girl who says that she was our AP from

334:29

Bob as well as Bob's own board member

334:31

exposing him, one of his previous board

334:33

members. But that guy just ended up

334:34

stepping down cuz it's always the same.

334:36

The board members step down. They never

334:37

actually publicly expose these guys.

334:39

When they're predators to and dangerous

334:41

to others, you have to expose them

334:42

publicly. That has to be the new rule.

334:44

And I'm going to play the rest of the

334:46

video here, but

334:48

I'm not here saying Bob's quirky and

334:51

weird or he has a raspy voice. I don't

334:52

care about that. What we're saying here

334:54

is um Bob is looked at as a prophetic

334:59

voice inside of Bethl. Even after the

335:01

letter that went out, even up until

335:03

Michelle Sidler went public, he's still

335:05

looked at as a prophetic voice. People

335:06

view him that way. They see him that

335:08

way.

335:10

He's inviting people from Bethl over to

335:12

his home for what? Paying them for this

335:15

stuff. He's obviously done this numerous

335:17

times. He goes, "I've never had to pay

335:19

just to get a response before." Oh, he's

335:21

paid for other things, I guess, but not

335:22

the response.

335:24

Bethl could have, should have, didn't.

335:28

>> That's what I meant to turn this around.

335:32

I know, but I need to hear from you and

335:35

I need to hear.

335:39

I'll meet at this place,

335:41

you know, and I'll send your money for,

335:44

you know, a little bit of travel you're

335:46

going. And then I just

335:51

never had to pay for somebody to respond

335:53

to me. And I just don't mind blessing

335:58

somebody who has financial need and I

336:01

just feel like I'm not paying for

336:04

this. I don't know how to turn this

336:06

around. I'm sorry.

336:08

I'm praying for intimacy. I just want to

336:11

bless you. So, let me know how you feel.

336:14

Let me know. Okay, this is what it's

336:17

going to cost. And I just I pay for a

336:20

lot of people in a lot of situations.

336:23

>> I pay for a lot of people in a lot of

336:26

situations.

336:31

>> And so I just got to know I also know

336:34

that you want to partner with me. You

336:36

want to bless the world we're blessing

336:40

which is an awesome world. You know I

336:44

can explain it to you later but I don't

336:47

spend much on me. I got a beautiful home

336:50

and $13 million properties that are B&Bs

336:53

are unbelievable.

336:55

I love to travel,

336:57

but I do want to get my business in a

337:00

place where it just flows and get my

337:02

body healthy and be with somebody that

337:04

understands

337:06

and we can ride up wondrous things

337:09

together. So, respond that and uh we'll

337:13

see if some people wake up tonight. Bye.

337:20

when Mike Pickle was being accused by a

337:21

number of women

337:23

um which was found by an investigation

337:26

to be credible um credible stuff, bad

337:29

stuff.

337:31

Bob Hartley was threatening people

337:33

behind the scenes with litigation. All

337:35

your dirty secrets are going to come

337:37

out. We have the best lawyers.

337:45

I am not here claiming, this is

337:46

important, I'm not here claiming that

337:48

Bethl um deliberately put Bob back in

337:52

front of women who he would do this

337:53

stuff to or people like that. But we do

337:56

know that he routinely prophesied

337:59

prophesied falsely. He faked prophecy.

338:00

He'd look up people's information. His

338:02

son has revealed this and he says he he

338:03

even admitted to it. Said that it was

338:05

normal in the movement. And I'm I'm

338:06

believing that. I believe that

338:10

Bethl didn't do the right thing. It's

338:12

not that they did nothing. They didn't

338:14

do the right They sent out a letter at

338:15

one point which was I would say was

338:17

probably just damage control. Then when

338:19

people were asking him to go public,

338:20

even even Bob's son, hey Bill, would you

338:23

please do something? You got to warn

338:24

people that I think he's going to he's

338:25

going to my dad's probably going to get

338:27

arrested or something. He's done some

338:28

stuff that's pretty bad here. I think um

338:30

they didn't do anything. There was

338:33

private conversations that made it sound

338:34

like actions would be taken, but in the

338:36

end nothing happened. And so they went

338:38

public. after they went public, after it

338:40

went on social media, after it went on

338:42

Facebook, then they came out with uh a

338:46

letter announcing some stuff about Bob.

338:49

Uh it was only then because it was

338:51

damage control and covered up culture

338:52

and it was not what it should have been.

338:55

Bob Hartley is close to Bethl and close

338:57

to Bill. Um after Bill's wife passed in

339:00

2022, again, sadly, and I'm sorry for

339:02

that, Bill.

339:04

Um super tragic. Um, but after that

339:08

happened, Bob Hartley was the one who

339:10

prophesied to him that God was going to

339:12

give Bill a coutura, a second wife. And

339:15

then Bill went and pursued a young woman

339:16

from his church for a little while and

339:18

it ultimately fell apart. And then Bill

339:20

posted on Instagram complaining about

339:21

his church and suggesting that it was it

339:24

was their fault for not embracing the

339:27

adventure or something weird like that.

339:29

Um, so here this is it. I'm going to I'm

339:32

going to end this video now. Here's the

339:33

conclusion. Here's my final call. And I

339:35

hope I can do this well.

339:44

My call to charismatic leaders is

339:48

you have to call them all out.

339:52

All of them. I know that there's leaders

339:54

who have sin in their lives. And that

339:57

doesn't always need to be exposed. Okay?

339:58

It doesn't. But when you have people who

340:00

are faking prophecy, I don't care who

340:02

they are, they have to be called out

340:05

publicly. And you may feel powerless.

340:06

You may feel like you're nobody, but I'm

340:08

telling you, there's an rising army of

340:09

people who will come alongside and

340:11

defend and support you. You just have to

340:13

open your mouth and start saying what

340:14

you know. I don't care if you're on

340:15

staff at Bethl, you need to start

340:17

speaking the truth. It doesn't matter if

340:20

if it's with Benny Hen or you're with

340:21

Jesus Image or you're with uh Morning

340:23

Star. Just start speaking the truth

340:25

because the one thing that that is

340:26

absolutely going to cleanse the church

340:29

in the charismatic world is the truth.

340:33

Rip the band-aid off. Call them out.

340:38

And we need to deliver people like Shawn

340:40

BS over to Satan. As scripture says,

340:42

what I mean is excommunication. The guy

340:44

should not be invited or welcomed into

340:46

any church building until he publicly

340:47

repents and confesses. And Sean BS, let

340:50

me say since I've targeted you so much

340:51

in this video.

340:53

Here's a here's a message to you

340:54

personally, Sean. I will champion you if

340:58

you repent. But your repentance has to

341:00

have one qualifier. You have to tell us

341:02

all the people you know about. All of

341:04

them. If you openly say the truth about

341:07

the people you know about who are faking

341:08

things, who are manipulating things, and

341:10

the stuff that you know behind the

341:11

scenes, then we'll believe it's real.

341:13

Otherwise, I just don't believe you. I

341:16

just don't believe you. And I've talked

341:17

to your victims, former employees, they

341:20

care about you still and they want they

341:22

would rather see you repent. They just

341:23

don't believe you. They don't trust you

341:24

will. But, but that's what they would

341:25

prefer. They care about you. They they

341:27

know you need help. They know you need

341:29

help. You need counseling. You need real

341:30

help. and um and I will I will open arms

341:34

lovingly embrace you and encourage you

341:37

um if indeed you you come broken but

341:40

until then you are an enemy to the

341:42

church and you have to be kicked out you

341:44

be excommunicated from the body from

341:46

anybody any group of Christians because

341:48

of your behaviors and that is true of so

341:51

many people that's true of Bob Hartley

341:55

so that's the rabbit hole guys that's

341:58

the rabbit hole

342:00

where the church can go from here is

342:02

really simple.

342:04

Normal people holding fast to moral

342:07

truth and righteous standards, no matter

342:11

who gets ups upset with them for it, no

342:13

matter who gets irritated with them for

342:15

it, where you simply won't let it go.

342:16

And you'll realize that if you've been

342:18

the victim of a fake prophet,

342:20

you have a lot of power to tell the

342:22

truth. You really do. And when you start

342:25

thinking about all the other people he's

342:26

going to continue to victimize for the

342:27

next 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you realize

342:30

you have a good reason to come forward

342:31

and tell the truth and a lot of us will

342:33

support you. So, I am sorry. I mean,

342:36

part of me is really sorry to bring this

342:38

video to you and make this video. I

342:39

don't like this. I don't take pleasure

342:41

in it. Um, man, I wish it could have

342:43

been better. I I reached out to Bethl a

342:45

long time ago and asked if I could talk

342:46

to to Chris or Danny about these

342:47

situations and they don't want to talk

342:48

to me. Um I have talked to another

342:51

leader at Bethl who's um one I have not

342:54

mentioned who you guys don't know and um

342:57

I hope there's I hope there's real

342:59

change. I hope there's real reform. I do

343:00

believe it can happen but it would take

343:02

such a change of the structure that you

343:04

guys would be calling out your own

343:06

foundations as false. That's what it's

343:08

going to take. And I will champion you

343:11

if you do that

343:13

for what it's worth. I mean who am I?

343:15

I'm just trying to be a voice for these

343:17

people. This is dedicated to the victims

343:18

of Shawn Bulls. And this has been

343:20

chasing him down the rabbit hole into

343:22

the coverup culture that is going on in

343:24

the charismatic church. Now, you know,

343:26

and there's more coming. I'm not done

343:28

yet. I want to be, but I have to share

343:31

more.

343:33

So, that's it. I want to pray before we

343:35

go. Um, Father God, we know that without

343:37

your grace, none of us would stand. We

343:39

know that you want us to be a group of

343:41

people who are not just enraged and

343:43

angry, but who are reaching out with

343:44

with righteous hands of justice and

343:47

mercy both. And so we pray for that. We

343:49

pray that you'd help your church to

343:50

respond like the church to these things.

343:53

That we would root out wickedness and we

343:54

would root out deceit and lies, but that

343:57

we would also bring comfort and support.

343:59

And it wouldn't just be about destroying

344:01

things, but it would be about rebuilding

344:02

and establishing things. And we pray for

344:04

that. I pray for the for the charismatic

344:06

leaders now who are righteous, who stand

344:09

in truth, who do not deceive knowingly

344:12

deceive anybody. Um, and we pray that

344:14

you would guide and direct them and

344:15

you'd raise them up as new voices inside

344:16

the charismatic church to be proper

344:18

guides, to be those who gain the

344:21

authority in the eyes of others so that

344:23

they can um create a new culture where

344:26

uh where there is goodness and

344:27

righteousness in Jesus name. Amen.

344:39

I actually just finished editing this

344:41

video. Spent the last couple days um

344:43

probably 20 something hours editing the

344:47

video and um looking back over it. I I

344:50

don't want to end it where I did. I want

344:52

to offer a word of encouragement. Um, if

344:55

you have been part of the charismatic

344:57

movement, if you have been under one of

344:59

these teachers, even blessed by one of

345:00

these teachers, can I tell you

345:01

something? That's okay. Um, be

345:03

encouraged. Try to take whatever good

345:06

you've received and hold on to that, but

345:09

you will have to go through a process

345:10

that may take some time. I've talked to

345:12

a bunch of people who've gone through

345:13

this process, and it's difficult, but

345:15

there's light at the end of the tunnel.

345:16

And that process involves sort of

345:18

disentangling

345:20

some of the stuff that you've

345:21

experienced uh from your genuine

345:23

Christian faith. And I want to encourage

345:25

you that in Jeremiah's day, there were

345:28

so many fake false prophets. Now, they

345:31

weren't supposed to be at home in the

345:33

church in that sense, in that analogy,

345:35

but they were there and there was still

345:37

the real. And there's been around the

345:40

world, there's been millions of false

345:42

religions or however many false

345:43

religions, yet there is one that is

345:44

actually true. When Jesus came, there

345:46

was one real Messiah, even though there

345:48

have been a lot of false messiahs. Jesus

345:50

talked about how there could be tears

345:52

amongst the wheat. Um, we understand

345:54

that we want our churches and our

345:57

fellowships and our experience as

345:58

Christians to be perfect and it just

346:00

often isn't the case. And that's okay.

346:02

That's part of the real world and part

346:04

of how we grow. And I I would just want

346:06

to encourage you in that. Don't

346:07

overreact to these things and throw out

346:09

the uh the truth of Christ with the fake

346:13

that you're confronting and dealing

346:14

with. and wrestling with and working

346:16

through. We know that in the book of

346:18

Revelation and 1 Corinthians that there

346:20

were problems in the church, even

346:21

significant problems in the church and

346:22

it was still real Christians that were

346:24

there, but there were real problems that

346:26

were there. I want to remind you of the

346:28

gospel of Jesus Christ. That God himself

346:31

took on human form. Jesus came, born of

346:33

a virgin. He lived the perfect sinless

346:35

life for us. Did the thing that you and

346:37

I have not done. All of us, if if we

346:39

were to be called out on every sin, we

346:41

would all fail. We would all be

346:42

completely fallen short of God's glory.

346:44

and destined for a

346:48

a judgment apart from God. Um the wrath

346:51

of God, but Jesus took our sin upon

346:54

himself on the cross. He died for you.

346:57

He died for me. That we would just trust

346:59

in him and receive salvation. God so

347:02

loved the world that he gave his only

347:03

begotten son. And you know why I'm

347:04

telling you these things that you have

347:06

already heard and already know? Because

347:08

you need to cling to the things that are

347:09

true. And from there, you work through

347:12

the things that are false. And from

347:14

there you you you disentangle the stuff

347:16

that doesn't belong. So I just want to

347:18

encourage you. Christ, he is not like

347:20

these examples I've given today. He

347:22

actually has verifiable prophetic

347:24

fulfillment in his life. Like real

347:26

fulfillment of prophecy. And I've done a

347:28

whole series of video. I've taken my

347:30

same mentality and skeptical mind and

347:32

I've examined the text of the scriptures

347:34

and I've examined the evidence for

347:35

Christianity and the support there is

347:36

for the resurrection of Jesus. And I

347:38

mean fulfilled prophecy, one of my

347:40

favorite subjects in the world. It's

347:42

it's so so good. Christ is trustworthy.

347:45

God is good. I want to read you a

347:47

scripture that might encourage you if

347:48

this all is setting you into a time of

347:53

sort of purification by fire, some

347:55

difficulty, some challenges. Let me

347:58

remind you of this. Blessed be the God

348:00

and father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

348:02

According to his great mercy, he has

348:04

caused us to be born again to a living

348:07

hope through the resurrection of Jesus

348:08

Christ from the dead to an inheritance

348:10

that is imperishable, undefiled, and

348:13

unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by

348:16

God's power are being guarded through

348:18

faith for a salvation ready to re be

348:21

revealed in the last time. In this you

348:23

rejoice, though now for a little while,

348:25

if necessary, you have been grieved by

348:27

various trials, so that the tested

348:30

genuiness of your faith, more precious

348:33

than gold that perishes, though it is

348:35

tested by fire, may be found to result

348:38

in praise and glory and honor at the

348:41

revelation of Jesus Christ. This, if

348:44

this puts you into a tail spin, this is,

348:46

I pray, a time of testing, not a time of

348:49

destruction, a time of purification.

348:51

Because when when fire comes, as this

348:53

text in in front of you says, when fire

348:55

comes and tests gold, it brings the

348:57

impurities to the top so that they can

348:59

scrape them away. That's the dross. You

349:01

get rid of that. That is the idea. And

349:03

I'm praying that within the charismatic

349:06

church and within your life

349:07

individually, that you find yourself

349:09

more purified, more focused upon Christ,

349:12

more genuine and real, but not, I hope,

349:16

just cynical. I am still not cynical. I

349:19

am, yeah, I'm very highly skeptical of

349:21

specific patterns and specific habits

349:23

and specific individuals, but I'm not

349:26

cynical about the work of the Holy

349:27

Spirit in the church, about the idea of

349:30

God giving us something really special

349:32

through a real move of the Holy Spirit

349:34

or a revival or a prophecy or even

349:37

tongues and those kinds of things. Um,

349:40

you don't have to

349:43

discard the real because you're getting

349:46

rid of the fake. But we do have to stop

349:48

embracing the fake, thinking it's some

349:50

pathway to the real. That has to stop.

349:53

So, I I hope that's some encouragement

349:54

to you. I'm sorry for bringing you guys

349:56

this video. I know that it's it's uh

349:58

unpleasant and I've spent the past year

350:02

uh listening to victims and talking with

350:04

people and gathering stuff. And I'm

350:05

going to try to get it all out there and

350:07

then I want to move on to other things.

350:08

I just want to steward well th those

350:10

stories and those individuals and the

350:12

situations that have come my way. And I

350:14

appreciate your prayers as I do that.

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Thank you.

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