The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak
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This video is not for everybody, but
it's very important, I think, especially
for the charismatic church and for
Christians in churches to deal with
abuse, fraud, cover up, and the
devastating breath of it all. Sean BS,
this guy right here, he was my white
rabbit. Okay, this guy was my white
rabbit. He's the rabbit I chased down
the rabbit hole to see how bad things
are in coverup culture inside the
charismatic church. The connections to
all these different figures and years of
stuff, generations of abusers, fraud and
coverup in the charismatic church, Sean
BS. So, you're going to go down the same
rabbit hole I went down. This started
early last year and I've spent the last
year dealing with and talking to victims
and people who have been hurt and
gathering evidence. I've talked to many
of the people that Shawn victimized and
spiritually abused. I'm going to be
sharing their stories. I have evidence
that has never been seen by anybody
before. I've uh gathered that evidence
and I'm going to be sharing it along
with witness testimony from multiple
people.
His victims asked me to speak out on
their behalf because the leaders in the
charismatic church would not and they
participated in my opinion in coverup
culture. But that can change. I'm doing
this for the charismatic church. I love
you guys. I believe in the gifts. I'll
tell you more about that in a second.
But buckle up because we're going to go
deep into the rabbit hole and you need
to hear the details because what happens
is when someone like Sean is exposed,
everybody just washes their hands of it
and acts like they had no part in it.
And that's not true. And if we don't
show the connections, then we can't fix
the problems. So, I've gathered the
evidence that shows how coverup culture
handled it in the in the charismatic
church. Uh not only Shambles, but many,
many other situations. And the elites
all knew about it. They knew about
Shambles. The elites did. And they did
nothing as far as warning their people.
They left their people in the dark.
People who had been prophesied to,
people who had been abused, they just
left them alone or in the dark. This is
going to be a long video. There will be
timestamps down below to try to help you
navigate things because it will just get
crazier and crazier. I will continue to
unpack different scenarios, another
witness, a different situation, tying it
into another leader. This is just the
way it's going to be. I hate this video.
I hope you hate it, too. This is all
lame and terrible, and this is not my
normal ministry stuff. I don't plan on
continuing doing this forever. I just
want to help the situation and then move
on to back to Bible studies. That's my
plan. So this is the story of lying in
the name of God, of abusing the people
of God, of doineering,
sexual harassment from Shambles, uh, and
not only the failure of respected
leaders to warn and protect their own
people, their followers from Shambols
while they had previously propped him up
as a prophet to them, but the fact that
their system of leadership inside, not
the entire, not every charismatic, most
of them would would would be appalled by
the things I'm about to share with you,
but there is a system amongst the elites
that is dangerous and their system of
leadership. It it in a culture of
coverup. It not only makes it so that
they can't deal with someone like Shawn
Bols, a predator in their midst, but it
actually creates them in the first
place. It raises them up. They have a
system of revival culture and a way of
handling prophecy that I believe creates
men like this over and over again. And
it's going to keep happening over and
over again. So, I'm hoping to bring
positive reform into the charismatic
church. You may not agree with
everything I share in this video. Those
of you who are charismatics, especially
leaders watching this, um, fine, but
glean what you can, find what you can
that is beneficial to you. And please
consider how to stop this stuff from
happening again inside your own
fellowships and to your own people
because it's not worth revival culture
to victimize your own people and put
them in front of fake prophets and tell
them about fake healings and all this
other stuff. It has to stop and it has
to stop now. So, I think this video will
help that. I do believe it. That's why
I'm doing it for the benefit and
blessings of the charismatic church. So,
I'm exposing a whole bunch of corruption
inside the charismatic church. It has to
be done. Um, I've because I've done this
series of videos now and I'll continue
with the series for a while. Then I'll
stop the series, get back to Bible
studies, and I will be very happy to do
that. Because of that though, there is
going to be slander coming against me
personally because, you know, shoot the
messenger kind of thing. So, I just want
to make a couple things really clear. I
believe in the gifts. I'm not advocating
against the use of the gifts of the
spirit of prophecy or tongues or any of
those things. Um, as long as they're
done biblically and properly, which that
I'm advocating for, and that does not
often happen. Um, I I'm making no money
from these videos, right? The what I
mean here is that the the uh on YouTube,
there's no monetization on these videos.
All these charismatic, you know, coverup
culture videos I'm making, there's zero
monetization. So, every it can make a
million views, it will not make me any
money. The money doesn't go to me
anyways. it goes to the ministry and it
doesn't affect my paycheck. I don't get
like a ratio raise when when there's
more ad revenue that comes in. We have
minimal ads because that you should on
YouTube or else YouTube doesn't promote
your content as much. Um, but this has
to be done and I'm I'm not here to
destroy the church. Uh, I' I'd actually
like to see Sean repent and I'd be so so
happy if any of the people I'm talking
about repent and I will champion them
being forgiven and them being seen as
cleansed by the Lord if there's real
repentance. But the problem is these
guys fake it all the time. They fake
repentance all the time. So we need we
need proof here. I'm trying to follow
what the Bible tells us to do. In 1
Timothy 5:19-20, it says the first part
that the charismatic church is already
doing. It says, "Do not admit a charge
against an elder." But they don't read
the rest of it usually. It says, "Except
on the evidence of two or three
witnesses. As for those who persist in
sin, distance yourself from them." No,
that's not what it says. No. Pretend
that you have no part in their in their
ministry or you didn't raise them up.
No, that's not what it says. It says,
"Rebuke them in the presence of all so
that the rest may stand in fear." That
is this kind of rebuke. What I'm
bringing right now about shambles, it's
meant to cause all of the people, all of
the leaders to go, I better I better
walk right. I better not manipulate. I
better not fake my prophecies. I better
not exaggerate my my spiritual
experiences. I better not do any of that
stuff. And we need that kind of reform
in the charismatic church big time.
Okay, let's go down the rabbit hole.
Sean BS.
This is the guy Shawn BS. He's the guy
that hears from God or pretends to hear
from God no matter who it hurts. Sean
doesn't come off like a highbrow prophet
though. Um he was like the boy wonder.
I'll tell tell you more about this. I'll
tell you more about everything. It's all
coming out today. Text messages. secret
recording, multiple witnesses.
It's all coming out. It's all coming
out. I've been sitting on this stuff for
a while now, and it's time. So, he
doesn't come off like a highbrow
prophet. Sean comes off like a normal
dude. Uh, but he's one who's literally
getting revelation from God on a
continual basis. That's the thing. He's
I'm just a normal guy, but man, he hears
from God. He can tell you without ever
meeting you. He will tell you your
birthday, your street address, how many
kids you have, the name of your pet,
your where your mom lives, and other
private information. He'll tell you
about things that you've done recently
or or hopes that you have in your heart.
And and he says it's all coming from
God. He's like, "I've never met you, but
I'm but I know your number, but I know
your name, but I the Lord showed me the
name of your dog. It's Maverick. I know
it." And you go and you think, "Wow,
he's really speaking to me. God's
speaking to me." So, he convinced
through this what is ultimately a
gimmick. He convinced countless people
that he was a prophet. This was
especially true when Bill Johnson
platformed him at ISUsa. Now, this
platforming was a big deal. Here, let me
show it to you.
At this event in 2016, this is where
Bill Johnson put that's Bill Johnson on
stage there with Shambles in front of
countless people in the stadium and
probably millions who saw it online.
this event was was a big thing. He gets
up there and he starts calling people
out in we'll look at some videos of this
later. Uh calling people out in the
audience. He calls out a name. He he
tells them their life story. He tells
them God's calling them to be a
missionary to this place and go here.
And it was just an amazing amazing
event. Look at how Bill introduced him
because I want us to understand that
Bill Johnson has responsibility for
Shambles.
>> But we're also weaving in the prophetic.
And one of our dearest friends, one of
our most trusted friends is Shawn BS.
And the Lord has shown him several
things.
>> That's how we got introduced. Why? Cuz
people know and trust Bill Johnson. Bill
Johnson is one of the most respected
leaders in the charismatic church right
now. He is seen as a safe man, a man who
is gentle, who is incredibly loving, who
never says a bad word about anybody.
This is his reputation. Like you will
you'll never hear him say a bad word
about a single human being in his entire
life. Um, which of course makes it so
that his congregation would think a
video like what I'm doing is inherently
wrong because Bill's such a nice guy.
Um, so it's an interesting interesting
method of self-p protection if you ask
me. But Bill introduces him this way.
Now, at the same time, it was not too
long after this where Chris Valatin, his
number two guy at Bethl, was texting one
of their um, one of the victims of Shawn
BS and he told him and showed him the
following. Let me put on your screen.
This was in January 9th of 2021. He
says, "I told him, Shawn BS, he needs to
clean up his mess before he has a
relationship with any of our people.
I've also told our entire team that they
are not to not minister with Shawn or
have him in any of their ministries.
I've also had a conversation with Bethl
Music Leadership team and told them
about Shawn's situation. They've agreed
to ban him from their ministry.
I'm going to show you more of that text
conversation later on in this video, but
this is what has gone on. There has been
the endorsement, then there was the
distancing privately, but yet in 2023,
Bill Johnson goes public again. And
they've never at this point in time the
timeline, they never made a public
statement about Shambles being any kind
of problem.
But in 2023, Bill Johnson goes with
Shambles on TBN and he says the
following about Shawn.
>> But Bill, you wrote the forward to this
book. It's called Translating God,
hearing God's voice for yourself and the
word around world around you. But you
wrote that this was one of the most
exciting books that you had read. Why
was that?
>> Um well the book by itself is
incredible. Knowing the life that backs
it up adds a power to it because it's so
it's so practical.
It's it's what you dream of. It's like
if if you could see if you could have a
perfect relationship with the Lord and
see its impact on humanity, that's what
it would look like. I get excited
knowing that we could actually raise up
generations of people to do the same
thing.
We'll go all the way into the rabbit
hole today, but Bill endorsing him like
this, you will see very clearly, was an
atrocious and evil act.
Atrocious and evil.
He set him up as a prophet to the world.
He later had Chris Chris Valatin, you
know, under his under his ultimate
leadership calling even calling uh
Sean's board going he needs to be pulled
out of ministry. he cannot do any of any
events with us. He can't be anywhere
near our team. Um, but publicly they
wouldn't say a word about him. And when
they were asked about it, they made it
sound like it was sort of nebulous and
who knows what's really wrong with this
guy. Then Bill goes and endorses him.
Well, the book by itself is incredible.
Knowing the life that backs it up adds a
power to it. If you could have a perfect
relationship with the Lord and see its
impact on humanity, that's what it would
look like.
>> What we find out though is that victims
of Shawn had reached out to Bethl
leadership and asked them for help. And
ultimately they decided not our problem.
Um and here's the thing, pastors have to
protect their people. If in my church
somebody was targeting the flock there
that that I'm part of, I would feel the
obligation to protect them. Especially
if you're the leader, you're the pastor.
You're the supposed prophet. Kil Chris
is supposed to be the prophet of Bethl.
Yet he's not protecting his people. His
reputation is one of prophetic
integrity. It's not it's not real.
Bill's reputation is one of safety. It's
not real and it needs to be exposed
because it's a broader problem that goes
bigger than Bethl. Even though Bethl's
really big, they're one of the most
influential charismatic churches on the
planet as far as other people taking
their lead, learning their practices,
and trying to copy them. Um, which I I
find to be a hazardous path.
So,
in 2022,
right, a year approximately, not not
even quite a year, before Bill Johnson
goes and publicly endorses Shawn BS
again on TBN, I have a secretly recorded
conversation where Stacy Campbell,
another one of the prophetesses in the
charismatic movement, is giving a list
of all the people in the leadership who
know about Shawn and how dangerous Shawn
is. BS is archery and totally dangerous.
Patricia King who told Chay and who told
Chris Valatin
told these gross stories
of
sexual immorality
of Shawn Bols.
I know this from Chris's direct mouth.
He said, "As far as I'm concerned, Sean
Boltz is a deceiver and I will not have
a back where I trust him."
And so I'm concerned for you because I
love you.
>> Mhm.
>> I'm giving you the warning that he's
dangerous. His behavior is bad.
He's been caught red-handed.
He can be worthwhile and he's
unrepentant.
He's not only dangerous for the body of
Christ that a lot of times the people
that affiliate with him go down when
they go down. Every single bit of
information Sean prophesying, you can
find it on page one.
You can find the whole thing and there
was nothing that Sean was prophesying
that was that was from unknown
revelation. It was only on. And so he
sent me a document only 20 pages long.
This is what Sean said. This is on the
front page of their Facebook pages. This
is on the second page. If you Google the
person that their is their son that you
find it, you know, I mean, it it just it
was all there and it was highly
intimidating in the order of law.
>> I'm going to play that recording for you
later. This is a very, very big deal
because if they all knew and they
wouldn't tell you guys,
it uncovers something real about the
fact that what else do they know? Who
else do they know about? Cuz I'll tell
you, I could give you a list of names of
people who should be publicly called out
and who when leaders knew didn't do it.
They didn't do it with Todd Bentley when
they should have done it. They didn't do
it with Bob Hartley when they should
have done it. They didn't properly do it
with Paul Kaine or Mike Bickl or I could
just keep going on or William Brandham
if you want to go really back to people
who died before I was born. You know,
it's been going on for a long time.
So, if Bill would endorse Shawn, who
else would he endorse while overlooking
serious issues? Who else would he put up
as an incredible the life behind the
book is is just it bears witness and all
this kind of garbage which is which is
not true.
I have even spoken to some of the
leaders in the movement and they told me
one of in particular uh I won't give his
name but a leader in the charismatic
movement who told me Mike if we really
start calling out all the guys that we
know are doing like they're not just
have sin issues I want to be gracious to
leaders who have sin issues cuz we all
do and so do I. Um but I mean people who
are like they're defrauding the people
of God. They're lying in the name of God
because if we we were to call them all
out it would it would devastate it would
devastate our movement.
will do it. Call them out. You have to.
All of you have to do it. Stop making
people who aren't even part of your
movement do it. Do it yourselves. That
will bring integrity back to your
movement. This video though, today's
video is dedicated ultimately to the
victims of Shawn BS, the many victims of
Shawn BS. I've talked to three different
people who had uh marriages that they
entered into because Shawn prophesied to
them to get married, even though they
say they don't do that sort of thing.
Apparently happens a lot. Um and they
were disasters. So they they got married
because of a prophecy and it exploded in
their in their faces, including one
named Jubilee Dawn. Let's listen to her
story now so you can get an idea of the
people that I care about right now cuz I
I for priority of who is more to be
cared for, loved, and protected right
now. It is not Shawn Bulls. It is
Jubilee Dawn. So we're going to look
into what Jubilee Dawn says here. This
is going to be her story. It's it's it's
in detail. She got married because
Shambols. She believed in Shawn BS
because of Bill Johnson and she almost
was killed by her husband.
That Shawn BS said God was giving her to
that man.
>> I'm going to tell you about how it
directly impacted my life and almost
killed me. In 2015, I was dating a man,
let's call him Ted, and we had only been
dating for about a month. So, this
church conference happened and I am
still getting to know this guy. He was
10 years older than me. It's a long
story, but essentially at this
conference, my ex was called out by
Shawn Bulls. And I'm going to play that
clip for you now.
>> When you hand me the phone last night,
um I saw 50, but I know that 50 is
Jubilee Year. There's something about
God's giving you a Jubilee. What does
that mean to you?
>> Oh, your girlfriend's name is Jubilee.
That's awesome. Well, God's giving you
this girl.
And when we ordered the food this
morning, they the By the way,
>> so he starts off by, you know, God's
giving you a jewel. Well, I he always
acts shocked. You're going to see this
many times. He always likes to act
surprised. I don't believe a single one
of these prophecies came from God. I
think he's been data mining for years
and years and years and years. And you
learned it from Paul Kaine and uh Bob
Jones and the other guys who did it
before him. And that's my theory. Now,
not everybody agrees with me. Not even
everybody I've talked to agrees with me
about this. But let me share with you
guys the evidence. Julie will give you
some reasons to think that this was all
made up. But imagine in the moment
you're you're just in the audience and
you hear this prophet, God's giving you
a jubilee. Oh, God's giving you that
girl. You hear this and then you tell
your girlfriend this. Of course she
marries you. Of course she thinks I can
never leave you. No matter if you
strangle me, I can never leave you.
>> This is a huge huge advertisement in the
midst of prophesying and it's a
prophetic advertisement that that tomato
pie cafe place is like level 10 awesome.
and we've been eating there for the
mornings and it's like they've been
bringing us food kindly enough and
they're amazing. But does she have
something to do with the Tomato Pie
Cafe? Does she she works? Okay. Right.
Jubilee from Tomato Pie Cafe.
>> So that is the clip and that is where he
said that God was giving him Jubilee.
Now in hindsight I know that where I
worked was on Facebook. The fact that we
were in a relationship was also on
Facebook and he had met my ex the day
before. So he was able to go home and
find all that information. It's hard to
put into words how highly esteemed this
man is in these religious circles. Bethl
being the main hub of these religious
circles and essentially you just kind of
believe that anything that this man says
is like the word of God because he was a
very esteemed prophet and had a stamp of
approval from Bethl. We ended up getting
married later that year and he
immediately turned abusive and I
suffered through about four years of
horrible physical, spiritual, mental
abuse and it was absolutely traumatic
and he ended up strangling me a couple
years into our marriage and I did not
leave this relationship because of what
Shawn Bull said. I thought that God
wanted me to be with this man and it was
mental anguish to unpack all of that.
Obviously, I've deconstructed a lot
since leaving Bethl. Um, but at the
time, I was still drinking the Kool-Aid
and thought that this prophet knew what
God's will was. So, it took the second
time that he strangled me for me to
finally leave. And even in leaving, I
was so tormented by this decision
because I didn't know if I was outside
of the will of God. He strangled me for
the last time in January 2020 and I
wasn't able to swallow without pain for
10 days. And it was a very, very scary
situation. Look up the statistics on
your likelihood of being unalived after
you have been strangled. I'm very lucky
to be alive.
>> Um, she's entirely correct here. So,
order of events, right? Bethl endorses
the guy. She's at Bethl. She's a
third-year student at the Bethl School
of Supernatural Ministry. You you're
fully committed when you're a thirdyear
student there. She's got a internship
with Georgian Banov, a guy who still
platform shambles even after uh
everybody knew. Everybody knew in the
well in the leaders, none of us knew,
right? On the elites, uh they knew. Um
and she hears this because of Bethl, she
believes this word. She gets strangled.
Now, I was a domestic violence
counselor, which means I've had some
some training in that area. And
strangulation is in in not only is it
inherently a murderous act. Um but it
can actually result in death even days
later because of the residual swelling
that happens after somebody is
strangled. It is incredibly scary and
dangerous and evil and murderous. And I
do have a video on divorce and remarage
for those who would like to look at it.
I think that from Jubilee's description,
she was justified in fleeing for her
life and leaving that man. That was
appropriate. What's crazy is that it was
2020 when she finally left, right?
But Bethl had information and evidence
about Shawn being a fraud in 2016.
Probably earlier, probably. Who knows?
Maybe 2008. I don't know. I just don't
know cuz they're not going to tell me. I
don't think they're honest about these
things. And I'll I'll give you reasons
to think this. I'm going to show some
what I would consider to be total
deception from Chris Valatin uh later
on.
And just so happened in 2020 is when
everything came out about Shawn, but it
came out behind the scenes and nobody
said a freaking word. Chris Valton is
one of the heads of Bethl and he is
known for his prophetic ministry and he
has done many conferences with Shawn BS.
So essentially it all came out in 2020
what he had been doing. Somebody had
come and presented a bunch of evidence
to Chris Falton and he agreed that it
was really bad and fishy and he was
fully convinced that Shawn was a fraud.
In 2020, they decided to silently
distance themselves from Shawn. So, they
started to take his books out of the
bookstore. They stopped doing
conferences with him, but they never
said a word to their congregation, which
is absolutely outrageous.
>> Well, she she's right here. She's
correct. That is outrageous. Um, but
Bethl knew before that. Uh, I think that
they knew. There's more that they knew
in 2020, it seems. Um, but they knew
before that about the prophecy stuff. It
was in 2016 stuff was even publicly
being put online. But nobody believed it
because the leaders didn't support it.
The leaders didn't actually back up and
go, "Hey, let's let's take a look at
this. Let's examine these things and let
No, they just let him continue." They
let him continue. And it seems as though
Bethl's actions and everybody's actions
since then have only been a reaction to
things going public in a way that is
meant to create damage control and
self-preservation. So that is the
opposite of protecting your people.
Sometimes ministries have to make
choices between protecting the leaders
and protecting those people who they
lead. And you always pick the people.
Jesus, he showed us how to lead. He laid
his life down for the sake of the sheep.
and we have to lay our lives down, even
our reputations down for the sake of the
people that we are tasked to protect and
to guard. Um, but they didn't do that.
They didn't want their reputations
damaged, it seems.
So, Jubilee story, just one of the many,
many people that Shawn has lied to, has
deceived, has manipulated, and has used
his words of knowledge h to to to trick
so many people who need to be warned
because he he as a supposed prophet, he
gave words to thousands upon thousands
upon thousands of people, life-changing
words. We'll I did a video already about
with Elijah Stevens where he talked
about his individual story. We went in
great detail of his story and how Bethl
misled him um and um it it caused him a
lot of harm uh PTSD. It caused him
marital issues. It caused him to lose uh
their basically their retirement. I
imagine what it would be like to lose
your retirement because you believe that
you're on a task from God that Shawn BS
told you to do and so you give you give
everything you have to it because you're
a genuine guy who really trusts the
Lord. But you were lied to. And when you
ask Bethl, "Was I lied to?" They dodge
you. And they know, but they don't want
to tell you.
That happened to him. How many people
does he represent, though?
Let's talk about BS's history. Okay,
this is the part of the video where
we're going to dive deep into the
history of Shawn BS. We'll show him
giving words of of of knowledge to
people. You'll get to see what that
experience looked like over and over
again. And I want to show you the people
that propped him up. I'm going to give
you the names, give you the the the
ministries that lifted him up, who all
then just went silent and distanced
themselves instead of protecting the
people, the people that they put this
false prophet in front of. Cuz you
better believe if I put a false prophet
on my my YouTube channel even, and then
found out he was fake, I wouldn't just
delete the video. I would have to put a
warning out for the sake of the people
who saw it. As much as that would be
embarrassing, that's that's what's
obvious and necessary. Okay, so Shawn
BS's history, the history of Shawn BS.
He grew up in signs and wonders circles.
He's been part of that movement and part
of that stuff for as long as we're aware
of. And he was connected to guys like
Bob Jones and Paul Kaine and Mike Bickl.
He was really connected to these guys.
They were all of them false prophets.
All of them, in my opinion, false
prophets. Now, some people say that the
jury is still out that, you know, best
case scenario, Bob Jones, Paul Kane, and
Mike Bickl were maybe there was some
true gifting that was there from God.
Best case scenario in one or two or even
three of those situations. But they all
used prophecy to sexually manipulate and
take advantage of people. All of them.
Bob Jones did this to two women I'll
tell you about later. Paul Kaine did it
to employees where he pushed homosexual
relationships onto employees and then
would blackmail them and stuff. Um, and
Mike Bickl did this to under even
underage women for decades. Recently
exposed Mike Bickl. Those are his
buddies. That's the circle he got raised
up in. He worked with Paul Kane. You
wonder what happened between him and
Paul Kaine. I think that's a fair
question to ask. Uh, Sean obviously
needs help, but he also has to be
stopped. Um, in 2013 though, Shambles
became like the guy. He's not just
another
Bobby Jones even. He's not another
Bickle. He's not another Paul Kane. He
is the new guy. He's the new kind of
prophecy guy, right? This this is next
level. Nobody has ever been as prolific
as Shawn BS is. And he became like the
wonder boy, the golden child of the
charismatic movement at the time. And
he's rising up that and it starts in
2013, right? Yep. There was a the
trigger point of 2016, the ISUsa now
event, but it started in 2013. And this
is the kind of stuff he was doing. Let
me let me just play for you some
examples.
>> Michelle. So I saw Michelle and I saw a
friend of mine from Singapore, Lim. Is
that somebody? Michelle Lim. Does that
make sense to anybody?
>> Are you Michelle Lim?
>> That's good. You're here. Thank you,
Jesus. Praise the Lord. Do you have a
September birthday by chance?
>> Yes, September 20th.
>> Ah, that's awesome.
As we're doing this, is there um I saw
the name Judah and I saw Judges Road. Is
there a Judah who lives on Judg's Road
or where you at? Judah. Okay, this is on
the Bethl YouTube channel. This is where
I got this from. They've been scrubbing
all their content about Shawn BS. Again,
they're deleting and distancing things
just recently cuz this is this stuff I
found after I started researching this
stuff uh early last year. So, yeah,
Judah on Judges Road, he does these
things. He finds out things about you
and then you feel amazed. Imagine you
were in the room. Like really imagine
it, guys. You're in the room and this
guy is pumped up as a prophet from Bethl
leadership and then he gets on stage and
he calls out your name, knows your
address, says that God has a message for
you.
Thousands and thousands of people he's
done this to. Is this your street you
live on?
>> This is awesome. Is it Is it somewhere
like Louisiana or Texas or something?
Texas. This is good. Only God. He knows
where you live. Wow.
>> Is April 15th something to you?
>> My birthday.
>> Your birthday.
>> Hear that?
>> You know?
>> See the sign behind him? Young saints.
He's doing this to children. Okay. He's
doing this to kids.
>> Judah, God knew you would be here with
your older brother. I see an older
brother. Maybe uh Leon or Ryan. Ryan.
>> Ryan.
>> I don't know if this makes sense for
you. Um, I saw Lewis and Clark July
26th. Does that make sense?
>> So Sean likes to take things he learns.
This is my belief. Well, I mean it's
pretty seems pretty obviously true. Sean
takes, you know, stuff he gets from
people online, whether it's their
address and he'll try to connect their
address to like a Bible verse or a psalm
or he'll take their last name or their
first name and he'll make a connection
into something else like abstract and
then he'll use that as the way of
prophetically saying, "Oh, I knew that
about you." So here he does it with
Louiswis and Clark. Her last name was
Clark. And um I felt like you got What's
July 26th? It's her birthday. Uh my
sister's birthday is in November, so I'm
thinking maybe November 27th. There was
something. That's your anniversary. I'm
glad you knew it. And uh Oh, she's from
St. Louis. Oh, that's really
interesting.
Louis and Clark. There she is. Is there
somebody
>> more kids stuff here in a second? Uh
now, you might be thinking already, some
of you in the audience are going like,
"Yeah, Mike, it's obvious this guy's
making stuff up. Oh, my sister's
birthday is in November, so November
26th or whatever date. It seems obvious
to you, but they've the people at Bethl
and other churches in the charismatic
movement sometimes have been
desensitized to discernment. Discernment
is the one thing you don't do because
discernment kills the momentum of our
prophetic movement. Discernment kills
our ability to have a revival culture.
And it's because I think that the unique
thing that Bethl and other some of the
other like flagship bigger charismatic
church movements some of the things that
they offer make that make them unique
that make them stand out amongst all the
other charismatics is like wow that's
the place where the Holy Spirit's moving
like it's I mean it moves in our church
but but but but over there he he's he's
powerfully moving in at Jesus I image
church or at uh at Bethl.
I think some of the reasons people
believe that is because they're just
faking stuff and they've they've smashed
down the discernment of their audience
so that they've been trained to be very
gullible and receptive and undiscerning.
Discernment needs to be brought back
into the charismatic church.
>> I think your name's Angelina, but you go
by like Lena. Where are you? Hey, you
guys are all excited. Just half of the
bird just gasped and was excited. I love
that. How old are you?
You're eight. How about um May 3rd? Does
that mean something to you? That's her
birthday. God knows.
>> Does that little girl matter to the
Bethl leadership?
Why didn't they tell everybody about how
Shawn used her? Blasphe God's name.
>> He knows when you've been born. I've
never seen you in my entire life that I
know of. Do you have two sisters? Is
there I saw um a friend of mine, her
name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on
a road. Does that mean something like
it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that
you?
>> Kelly Rhodess. God knew you'd be here. I
didn't, but God did. That's awesome. Hi,
Kelly Rhodess. And how you've been like
a good daughter to
>> So, this is an event called More Love
More Power in 2017. BS had already been
exposed. The guy trying to expose them
had been attacked by Paul Kaine and that
whole thing was shut down. The guy went
into like whole crisis situation in his
life because without the strength and
support of leaders, anybody who tries to
expose someone like this just gets beat
up. And that has happened too many
times.
Doris
and uh January 27th.
That's a day.
>> Her mom's name and her mom's address.
We'll come back to that one. Doris Rose.
That's one of the best examples of what
we can show how Shawn got his data. And
because of he made a big mistake on that
one. I'll show it later. Here's another
child that he's manipulating.
>> What's the sixth? Is that the birthday
is on the 6th? Yay. This is gone. Um
this is a really random question. Is
your mom or dad here? Raise your hand,
Mom. Is there something? This is I I
could ask you too, Maddie, but Pope's
head. Does that make sense? What is
that?
>> I saw the Pope's head. What is that? Oh,
it's where you used to live. I
Oh, wow. Is there a Yanni and a Ian?
Hello.
>> Hi.
>> I'm Yiani. My husband Yiani.
>> Hi, I'm Ian. Is there something about
like
>> Isn't it interesting how he'll get names
and he doesn't know how to pronounce
them? Almost like he was reading them
off of something like Facebook. We'll
talk more about this. There's a reason
why in 2013 that's when his prophetic
gift took off. I'm going to give you all
the whole story today. It's all kind of
going to come out here.
>> Um
it's either December 11th or May 11th.
Is it 11th or 12th? May 11th or 12th? Is
that
>> May 12th? my youngest son's birthday.
>> Oh, this is good. Do you guys have four
kids?
>> Yes.
>> Is that
Do you see how the crowd reacts?
Everybody's like, "Oh my gosh, God's
giving him these amazing words." Now,
it's easy from the perspective of me
introducing this guy as a fake prophet.
You're going to receive this differently
than than if I had gotten up and said,
"Guys, this is amazing. Look at this man
of God. The Lord's taking us all into
new levels of spiritual depth and pro
prosperity and prophecy and healings."
And Sean is a sample of what's to come.
If if if that was what I was doing, then
you heard this. You would have said woe
too. Mo at least a majority of people
would. I think what I'm saying here is
he could not have done it his own on his
own. He had to have been propped up by
these trusted charismatic leaders. And
when he was exposed, they just went
silent basically.
>> Is there is there anybody who It was
your birthday on my book release day,
which is June 13th. Where? Oh, you this
is awesome. Stand up, please. I like
you. Of the whole room, we have one of
you. Carl Tuttle was here earlier. He's
an old friend of mine from the vineyard.
And I heard Carl. Is that Is that
something to you?
>> It's my first name.
>> Your name? There we go.
>> Carl. Carl.
>> I believe you're married. Are you
married?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, she's here. Go ahead and stand up,
too. I love that. You guys are awesome.
Is it
>> now? Probably these are just sincere
Christians who love the Lord. They're
being manipulated. Uh
they're victims. Um, Sean should have
been stopped before he ever got to this
point where he could say this sort of
thing. I'll give you more reasons to
think that, but
my heart goes out to them. I I think
that the believers inside of Bethl and
inside of Jesus image, inside of Morning
Star and inside of IHOP, the various
churches, there's so many people
represented by them, as well as the
people that that these groups influence
around the world. I think that the
normal believers in the pews would
basically be on the same page as me if
they only knew what was going on behind
the scenes. And so this is for you guys.
Our name is her name start with an R.
>> My last name is Rugie.
>> It's interesting cuz I'm seeing behind
you a woman in heaven. I believe Carl
would be your mom.
>> She just passed away at 93. I was there
when she passed away in Chico.
>> Was December 25th significant to her?
>> Yes, that's her birthday.
>> Oh wow. And you're for Payton. Who's
Payton?
>> Payton is my uh granddaughter.
>> And then I deadended into Lincoln
Street. And I was at
>> Lincoln Street. And I don't know if 28
is part of the address, too. Does that
make sense?
>> Is this your house? Is it 28 like one or
28?
>> I just
told your address.
>> I want us to understand everywhere he
went, he's doing this. started in 2013.
It's in smaller settings, yes, it's in
bigger settings, yes, it takes off
later, but started in 2013. There's a
really important reason for that, and
it's connected to Facebook. And uh I
give all credit to Matthew Hartkey for
being the one who figured this out, but
I got to share it with you guys.
>> I I went to your house in the spirit for
a second.
>> Is there a a Nelson who has a birthday
October 28th and you're from Philly? Is
there a Danielle or Daniela from
Greenville with a December 5th birthday?
>> See, now we're into 2016. This is at the
Isusa Now event in 2016 and he is um
he is calling people out and everybody's
stunned. He was probably the highlight
of the entire event, this one guy. And
after this, there's a line out the door
to get to his church. He had a church
which he's no longer part of. Um I think
he might I don't know if he's still
getting paid from them or something but
he's not like there actually ministering
to people as far as I know. Um
Expressions Church in LA and every event
he goes to is packed out and he's hugely
in demand. It was after this moment.
This is it's supernatural. It's
supernatural is Sid Roth's very
significant and influential uh
charismatic ministry and he platforms
people. That's what he does. He
interviews people. He brings in a
prophet. He brings in a healer. He
brings in an apostle. He brings in a
dreamer. He helped platform uh Brian
Simmons and get the Passion translation
pushed out there. And he's it's always
salesreated. He brings people on and
they're always hawking their goods every
single time. And it's always a promise
that his audience will be taken into new
spiritual depths. It's it's a very
consistent routine. He interviewed Sean
back in 2016. Now it has been deleted.
Right. As of January 28th of 2025, a
year ago, it was deleted. But I found it
on the way back machine and we can learn
some interesting stuff from the things
that were said there. Let me move myself
a little bit out of the way. Okay. So in
this newsletter 2016 September again
this is when he takes off. Sean is not
only the guy who can speak from God and
hear from hear from God but he's the guy
who can train you to do it. This becomes
Sean's sticktick. Right? This is the
salesunnel is prophecy and then I get
the people who who I will train on how
they will do prophecy and then Sean
sells his training courses. So this is
his salesunnel. He still does it today.
He still does prophetic training
courses. He still sells them on his
site. So in this article, everyone can
hear God's voice. This is where Shawn BS
is going to tell them how they can hear
God's voice. Now in him telling them,
he's going to talk about how he got his
prophetic gift from the Lord. And so
let's look at that. He says, "I started
getting um let me see if I can
manipulate the where this is. Okay. Uh
so you can see where it was captured way
back machine, right? 2016. Um I started
to get birth dates and anniversary
dates. This is where he talks about his
upgrade where he went basically I'll say
he went from old methods of faking
prophecy that were more laborious and
you weren't able to get as much
information and that's what Paul Kane
would do. He went to new methods of
faking prophecy which was all about
social media. So, I've received many
upgrades to my prophetic ability to hear
and translate God to the world around
me. In 2013, I received one of these
upgrades. And with it, God showed me the
power of the word of knowledge. He wants
us to use his intimate knowledge of
people to demonstrate how he loves them.
I started to get birth dates and
anniversary dates of strangers,
grounding them in the knowledge of God
that know that God knows them and cares
about what they care about. I began to
hear where people went to school and the
types of careers they had, right? Almost
like it was information on their about
tab. I had visions of significant
moments in their lives when something
good happened and where God had been
present. Almost like he was scrolling
through people's photographs. These
prophetic words brought them into
connection, a connection or deeper
connection with God who loves them and
is with them. All right. What we're
going to see next is genuinely a little
bit creepy. Let me see if I can bring it
into the screen.
During this time, Randy Clark invited me
to visit his ministry school. He wanted
to go after the prophetic word of
knowledge gift specifically, not just
for words about healing, but also to
demonstrate God's love through prophecy.
He received the impartation from me and
then stepped out for nearly an hour,
getting street addresses, people's
children's names, and more. It was
uncomfortable for him, but so many
people were encouraged as they watched a
great leader try something new at great
risk. So this moment with Randy Clark,
Randy Clark is a significant name in the
charismatic movement. Um,
if you get your impartation from a
fraud,
I think your impartation was fraudulent.
So I think Randy Clark should come out
and talk about this. And why has he not
already? To my knowledge, he hasn't. If
he has, I'd like to know it. I'll share
it if he has on on social media so
people can see it. But um but yeah,
that's something else to consider is
there's this interweb of these different
guys. They're getting anointings from
each other, right? So Todd White's like,
"I got my anointing from Kenneth
Copeland, right?" And then someone else
goes, "I got mine from Todd White." And
they're all these are all fake
anointings. They're not that's not the
Holy Spirit. If you're anointed with
something spiritual, it's it's the wrong
spirit. So this stuff became the
cornerstone of Shawn's ministry. This
this became the whole deal, right? When
he was if he's teaching, if he's
lecturing, it's not that interesting to
people. Doesn't get that much attention.
But when he does the prophecy thing,
people come out in droves. And so he's
given prophecy to thousands of
individuals, hundreds of hundreds of
thousands of people in crowds. And he
begins training other people like he did
on the Sid Roth show on how they can
learn from God. That's what led to his
book that Bill Johnson endorsed and
several other people from their ministry
endorsed. And I'll read some of those
endorsements later on. So he's the guy
he's the guy who teaches people how to
hear from God in the charismatic
movement at this point. And
it was it was it was fake. It was fake.
He's fake.
It's fake.
And it's so sad because there's so many
believers. Let me show you this picture
again. There's so many believers right
here,
stunned as Shawn Bulls reads from his
cell phone fake words as Bill Johnson
endorses him and presents all these
people to him because of the trust
people have for for Bill.
Bill may be the most influential
charismatic in the English-speaking
world right now
and trusted amongst other leaders.
Bill Adusa again introduced Shawn as his
closest or most trusted friend. That was
that was the introduction. This is my
most trusted friend and he hears he
hears from God many things right at
Bethl reading. That's not the only
endorsement he got. Let's look at some
more of these endorsements. I had to go
get my jacket, put it on, warm up a bit.
Okay,
so we're going to talk about more of the
endorsements. Uh, I think that it's
important people realize how widely and
how strongly Shawn was endorsed because
I think that now a lot of individuals
are going to act like it was no big deal
or he wasn't considered like the wonder
boy of the charismatic church, the guy
who was going to guide us all into the
next stage of prophetic anointing so we
could be more profound than Pentecost or
the apostles ever were. That is actually
kind of the stuff people think. I would
like to now show you. Okay, there was
not only Bill, this is Sean at Bethl.
This was on Bethl's not only in their
audience, but on their on their bethl.tv
streaming service as well as YouTube and
wherever else they put it. And this is
how Terresa Deadman introduced Shawn BS
to the people of Bethl.
>> And this is an amazing time that we're
living in. Sean has so many testimonies
about the doors that are opening. And so
I want you to get on your feet and honor
one of the most prophetic creative
people I know on the planet. Sean, a
good friend of the house. He's amazing.
>> One of the most prophetic creative
people I know on the planet. She says,
"This is actually Terresa Deadmond's
clothing line. She sells prophetic
leggings." My fashion designs, I read
from her uh product page, "My fashion
designs embody the prophetic art they
are created from." So they're created
from pro she does this prophetic art and
then she puts them onto pants.
Wearing my art enhances your awareness
of God's presence and helps you become a
walking encounter of heaven's message to
those around you. Also known as
baloney sauce.
No, it doesn't do that. That's not how
it works. You don't put on these special
pants that are prints of artwork from
Terresa Deadmond and then it's going to
enhance your awareness of God's presence
and make you a walking encounter of
heaven's message to those around you.
>> You're just you're wearing yoga pants.
>> She is the one who introduces Shawn to
the people at Bethl and does so
with their leadership team, with their
people all aware of it. Look at this
room full of people.
This guy's getting on stage and he's
going to share words that he looked up
on Facebook. It's reasonable to think
that that's exactly what's going to
happen right right after this. Sean, one
of the most prophetic people on the
planet, she says. Now, this isn't a
movement that prides itself in having
lots and lots of people who prophesy.
So, yes, I'm just saying this is a big
deal, but it's not even remotely the
only one. Who else endorsed Sean?
This video is going to be Shawn on the
Sid Roth show. Okay, I showed you an
article that they pulled. Well, they've
pulled the show as well now, too.
Sidroth doesn't want he doesn't want any
connection to Shawn anymore because
Shawn is now Lepris, right? If if people
know how much you endorsed him, then you
know, maybe it'll make you look bad.
Well, it will. And you did and you do
look bad. Sid Roth, there's not a weird
wacko that he has not endorsed on his on
his uh show. Every charismatic should
agree with me on this. Everyone should.
>> Sid Roth says that Shawn Bols is the
most amazingly detailed prophet he has
ever known. He has ministered to
thousands from royalty to people on the
streets. Now he wants to share with you
the secrets he has learned concerning
the gift of prophecy and wants to
activate you to do the same as he does.
>> It's wonderful that Shawn hears from God
so clearly. I am excited that Shawn has
this gift. I impart every supernatural
spiritual gift I have that's
transferable right now over the
television to everybody in the studio
audience.
>> I reject it. Everything you have that's
transferable, Sean, is looking people's
information up on Facebook and lying to
them in God's name. That's transferable.
That's easily transferable. Anybody
could do that. It's very simple. Most
people just have integrity and wouldn't
do it.
Sid Roth endorsed him. Sid Roth sold his
stuff. Sid Roth always sells people's
stuff. It's always a salesunnel every
show he has. And
Shawn is endorsed. Now imagine you're
you believe in Sidroth. You trust this
man's discernment. You think he's
opening your eyes to see amazing things
God is doing. And then imagine him
saying nothing when he finds out who
Shambles really is. Well, that's what
happened. Marilyn Hickey, those who know
the Hickeys know that they go back quite
a ways and they've been pretty
significant and influential uh more than
the average bear inside the charismatic
movement. Even though now she's getting,
you know, she's pretty up in up in age.
But Sean goes on their show.
>> We have an amazing guest with us um
today.
>> We do. We have Shawn Boltz. And I tell
you, we really look forward to this
guest. We are so thrilled. Oh my
goodness. To have Sean Boltz with us
today.
>> Dude, you are the bomb.com. Holy cow.
>> And I love this book, Translating God by
Shawn Bolts.
>> Are you ready to be activated? For your
gift of $29 or more, we will send you
Translating God: Hearing God's Voice for
Yourself and the World Around You by
internationally known prophet Shawn BS.
>> We'll read some stuff out of that book
later on. So, he gets endorsed by the
Hickeys as well. Um, there's there's
other people, too. You you might be
surprised to know he was featured on 700
Club.
>> Welcome to the 700 Club.
>> Author and pastor Shawn BS is also a
podcast and TV host. Another topic near
to Shawn's heart. these days is hearing
God's voice in the marketplace.
>> So, what's Shawn's secret to hearing
God's voice? Take a look. Well, Sean
joins us now via Skype. Hi, Sean.
Welcome to the 700 Club.
>> I am so glad to be here. Thanks for
inviting me.
>> He was very glad to be there. Everyone's
learn Everyone's believing that I'm I'm
the guy. I'm the guy, man. And he made
lots of money off this uh three
something million dollar home that
actually I have evidence. I I won't put
it on screen here. Uh, I'm worried about
doxing stuff, but I have evidence of
Shawn having many several homes.
Anyways, he was also featured on Fox
News, believe it or not. He was on CBN,
believe it or not. So, let's look at the
CBN one.
>> He's a modern-day prophet that can tell
you your name, what street you live on,
all without you saying a word. We sit
down with Shawn BS to learn what he has
to say about President Trump and Kanye
West. Well, Shawn Bulls is a pioneer in
ministry, including the prophetic
movement as a pastor, author, producer,
and TV host with a prophetic gift. And
Sean, welcome back to the prayer link.
>> Hello, ladies. I'm so glad to be here.
It's such a privilege.
>> You know, with the locusts in Africa,
the Corona virus in China, wildfires in
Australia, and the current political
climate here in the US. Are these signs
of the end times? What has God spoken to
you about all of that that's going on
right now?
>> I think things are accelerating.
All of this attention he got even
brought him onto Fox News and the it
says Christian prophet Shambles Lord
showed me the end of Corona virus. A
word that a prophetic word he gave that
ended up being false. This is what a lot
of these guys do is I believe prophetic
speculation. They read news reports.
They try to get insiders. They figure
out what they think is going to happen
in the culture or with politics and then
they present it like a prophetic word.
Um it didn't work out so good this time.
He later was embarrassed about this and
we'll talk more about that. But yeah,
even Fox News is carrying this guy.
Wow. This is the rise of Shawn BS,
right? This is the part of the Star Wars
uh which whichever episode it was where
where the uh where Darth Cidius is is
taking control of the Senate, right?
That's that's what's happening right
here. He is taking control of the
Senate. He is engaging in becoming a
fixture of this is the guy. And so
they're like, "Tell us about Trump,
Sean. Tell us about Kanye. Tell us about
this and this and this and this." And
it's because of the endorsements of all
of these people that Shawn was able to
get such a foothold. So that so many
people believed him and just followed
his words even when it messed up their
lives. Some who I have witnesses and
I'll share. Others nobody even knows
their stories. Okay? They're finding out
for the first time as they watch this
video cuz it's still coming out. It's
still just coming out for a lot of
people because the leaders in the
charismatic movement won't call it out.
We appealed in my video with Elijah
Stevens. It was actually Elijah who was
close in and connected and part of Bethl
Church who appealed to the leaders.
Please verify if these things are true
about Shawn. Please call him out. Please
Chon, call him out. Please, those who
know about him, call him out. To my
knowledge, none of them have. Shawn has
to be kicked out of he has to be
excommunicated out of the body. That's
what has to happen. And that has to be a
public thing because he was so publicly
put up as a prophet. That's the only
righteous thing that can be done with
him right now. And let me remind you now
that Sean himself acknowledges that Bill
Johnson opened doors for him and other
charismatic leaders platformed him. I'm
not saying I didn't have incredible
people pour into me. I'm so grateful for
Bill and Benny Johnson and what they've
opened up for us in our life and Heidi
and Roland Baker.
There's people who recognize some things
in our lives and they helped Sher and I
over the years and even Paul and Denise
invited me year after year for over, you
know, 13 years. So, he understands that
these people were needed and they
propped him up and they opened doors for
him and they had him speak year after
year after year. And so, I'm just trying
to show you guys there was a
responsibility. There was a
responsibility to tell people. Now, let
me show you what happens when you don't
tell people. This is a very sad uh
unfortunate thing that I'm about to
share with you. But this is what
happened to one young lady who as far as
I know lost her faith and it was very
much connected to Shawn BS and not only
his fakery but the cover up of his
fakery by leaders who knew better. I
just type in Sean B's allegations and
all of this information starts coming up
of all these people that are proving
that he got he mined all of his
information from social media and
>> he would know who's who who would be in
the crowd when he
>> because you register for conferences.
>> They're paid conferences. You register.
Oh, so he would get the list of
attendees, mine information, and then
cold act like he was cold revealing
information.
>> Yeah. And it's like very much like a
cold like that. It's like tales time,
swindler's tricks, but like again, I
believe and I feel so dumb now, but I'm
like I was primed for that. There's no
way I could have not thought that that
was real.
>> I want you to remember that she said
that forever. I was primed for that. It
wasn't Shawn Bulls that primed her for
that. It was her overall charismatic
community that killed the gift of
discernment and really wanted to seek
revival to the point where they would
tolerate stuff that wasn't real. It
wasn't real. The toleration of the fake
is the undermining of the real. But the
charismatic church has grown to think of
it as hamburger helper. That it actually
assists us to tolerate a significant
amount of fakery. But actually what it
does is it creates shambles and it
creates situations like this young lady
right here who unfortunately I think
ended up leaving the faith or turning
from Christ. Um and I hope and pray that
that that that's only part of her story
in the long run. But you you can
understand where she comes from cuz if
that's what her experience that was
pretty crazy to to realize this.
>> I've seen a lot of fake but I've seen a
lot of real. The real's worth it. I will
allow the fake. I don't want the fake on
the platform because I I don't want to
promote the fake, but I'll allow the
fake in the room because I so believe in
the genuine. I've had people say that
over the years, you know, they said, you
know, you know, I've had students, you
know, some of this seems fake. I go, it
is. They go, what? I go, most of it's
fake. Go, what do you mean? I said, I've
been watching this 40 years. Most places
that I've been, the majority of the
manifestations are not caused by the
Holy Spirit. They go, really? But I
said, but the problem is it's not all
fake and the genuine is in our midst.
and I will allow a whole lot of
Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine
take place. I said, "I won't promote it,
but I will allow it because the genuine
is so important to the kingdom of God."
But that always throws off people if
they're young and new at this. They go,
"It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go, "Just,
you know, don't be so open-minded your
brains fall out. You can understand that
the real and the genuine and the fake
all exist together in one setting." And
it's that way everywhere. There's
nothing unique here. It's not any
different here than anywhere. It's that
way everywhere. I've I've been in
revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings
in many countries. It's the same. People
are people, folk are folk, no matter
who, no matter what, no matter where.
>> Now, when she talks about her dad, it's
even more revealing about what leaders
have to do with guys like Sean.
>> And so, this is the first time I'm
scared to death. I'm shaken cuz it's
like, you know, you know, do not mock
God's anointed or whatever, you know.
>> Yeah. They're they're also trained that
you you you don't ever look into even
research something negative about a
church leader or something like that.
Now, there's yes, the online is a world
of gossip and slander and personal
attacks that are not deserved. That's
true, but frauds are real. Abusers do do
exist and you can't have a rule that you
have these untouchable elites that have
no accountability.
>> Oh my gosh. I find it and I um got done
with that. I called my dad and I said,
"Hey, um,
did you hear about Shawn BS?"
And he said, "What did you hear?"
>> And so, for reference, this word that he
gave us caused a lot of division in our
family for years. It was a really um
caused some pro like big problems like
it was not good. Um, and we had held on
to it for a long time. How many families
can say that about Shawn BS?
He doesn't care about those people. In
reality, his through his actions, he
hates them. He hates the ones he's
smiling at that he's going, "Wow, oh,
God loves you. God sees you." He
despises them. That's what his actions
are saying is the actions of someone who
hates people. How many families like
hers?
And Sean is not the only one.
>> And so I said, "Did you hear that he is
a fraud?" and got all of his prophetic
words from social media.
And my dad just,
"Yep."
>> And I'm like, "Dad,
why
>> you knew?
>> Why didn't you tell me?" Like, "How?" I
said, "How long have you known?" And he
said, "Well, about two years."
And I'm like, "Dad,
like I said, why didn't you tell me
that?" And he said, "Well,
>> I just didn't think it would help you at
that time."
>> Which like at the time, like I wasn't
even like two years ago, like I wasn't
even really like struggling that I was
just like, "What?"
I believe that in the charismatic church
amongst these leaders, among guys like
Bill Johnson, Chris Valatin, uh Rick
Joiner, uh Michael Koulianos, um I could
name other names. Um I believe that
amongst these leaders, Patricia King,
they know Sid Roth, um the Crouches, I
think that they know about all kinds of
guys who are fake. All kinds. If in fact
it isn't true of them as well. And I
think that their congregations would
make the same face this young lady is
making here and go, "You knew. You knew.
You knew." And if if everything came
out, it would be devastating. Which is
why the coverup culture so strong
because anybody who becomes an example,
it made an, you know, distance yourself
from him. Sure. But when you make an
example of the guy, when you call him
out publicly, you you make yourself
vulnerable and everybody else in the
movement vulnerable as far as not
everybody, but all the leaders who have
been faking for years because some of
their heroes are fakers. Paul Kane was a
faker. Bob Jones was a figure. Mike
Bickle was a figure. William Brandon was
a faker. And you go through and you
realize, oh my gosh, like were any of
these real? There's a book called God's
Generals that Bill Johnson has has
supported and recommended to people. And
it's it's full. I'm not I'm not saying
every name on the list, but there's a
bunch of names on the list of God's
generals who were just frauds, fakers,
bad guys.
It's systematic in the movement right
now. Now, not every charismatic is like
this. I want to make this very clear.
There are a lot of good, godly,
wonderful charismatics who operate in
the gifts of the spirit and who do
wonderful things. I'm trying to expose
the bad here for the sake of the good.
That's what we're trying to do. That is
is not as though whoever watching this,
you should just leave your charismatic
church. No, no, I'm not. I'm not
suggesting that. But you need to pull
the covers off and assess and say, "What
is going on here? Let's have purity.
Let's have integrity."
So, that girl seems she lost her faith.
Now, I'm going to give you an example of
one of the one of the best examples of
Sean making it up. Like, it's it's the
best example because it's like clear. It
seems pretty clear that he made this up
and you'll understand. Um, I'll walk you
through it.
Is there I saw a friend of mine, her
name's Kelly, and I saw her standing on
a road. Does that mean something like
it's maybe a last name? Kelly, is that
you, Kelly Rhodess? God knew you'd be
here. I didn't, but God did. That's
awesome. Hi, Kelly Rhodess. I feel like,
Kelly, you're like one of those people,
those hidden figures. There's something
so special about you, but you've been
hidden in it. You're about to be
revealed. Like, I feel like your dues
about to be paid for how you've
supported and helped so many people and
how you've been a good daughter to
Doris. So, he's he's really going to
focus on the mom. He knows more
information about the mom than he does
about Kelly. So, he knows her name. He
knows her birthday. Um, this
I feel bad for the lady here. I consider
her my sister in Christ being
manipulated by this guy. It's
infuriating. Uh, I admit I as I see
this, as I watch it, I'm I'm angry at
Shawn BS personally. Um, very angry at
him. I'm trying to not sin in my anger.
I think the anger is appropriate,
but I'm angry also at those around him.
Again, this is at the More Love, More
Power event in 2017. Sean had already
been exposed. Um, at least the chance to
expose him was there because uh Jason
Smemedley had tried to blow the whistle
and instead he was attacked by Paul
Kaine, the fake prophet pervert who was
predatory towards young people uh young
men uh who Mike Mickle delivered to him.
It's the craziest stuff in the world
these things. And he was he still had a
place to even attack like in the
movement. He still had some kind of
influence to even be able to attack
somebody is crazy.
I blame the leaders, the current leaders
in the charismatic church for the last
few generations, the ones in particular
that I'm naming. Not all of them.
Absolutely not all of them. But I'll
tell you what, if there's good leaders
there, show yourselves to be good by
calling out the ones that you know. You
need to now listen in to the most
revealing moment probably of all of the
Shawn Bull's videos that I can show you
has to do with Doris Rhodess
and uh and how how she's like your best
friend and and and uh I feel like God
just saying that um everything that she
prayed for and is prayed for is is gonna
still come for the family. And I feel
like the Lord's saying you're going to
start to see the manifestation of what
you prayed for. you're going to start to
see the reality.
I wrote down January 27th.
That's her birthday. Um, is there is
there I saw Psalm 105 over your family
and read that later on. But did she or
you ever live on a 105 like slaughter
house or 105 something or does that make
sense?
>> For some reason, I saw the word
slaughterhouse, but it wasn't bad. Um,
I know it's a weird It's a weird I took
the risk cuz
>> he just tried to call out her address.
He got it wrong and now he's trying to
recover.
>> Everything else felt like it was, you
know, connected to God. But I just just,
you know, maybe maybe research that a
little bit if it's if if I miss that
part, it's not a big deal.
>> I just want to remind you guys it was
Sean Bulls's idea for us to research
that a little bit. And research it we
did. Actually, it was Matthew Hartkey
who researched this and uh I don't know
if anybody before him did or not. He's
the first I know of who researched this
and posted it online and he showed that
there is actually a Doris Rhodess who
lives on 105 Slaughterhouse who lives in
the same area as the other Doris Rose.
They're in the same area as this this
event and everything. Um or or where her
Facebook says she lives, excuse me. It's
just a different Doris Rose. There's
just more than one Tortois Rose in the
region who is similar and you know older
and all this kind of stuff. 105
Slaughterhouse.
That to me is an incredible smoking gun.
There is no way on earth that this guy
randomly got from the Lord a real
address of a real Doris Rhodess that was
the wrong Doris Rhodess.
This was just I This is I Googled this.
Okay, I googled this as well. This is a
screenshot I took. It's not just
something that was passed around because
I want to double check. I want to make
sure I share things that are accurate
and true. And if there's anything I get
wrong, I'm happy to publicly say, "I'm
so sorry I got this wrong and correct
it. Um I'm I only want to share the
things that I believe are true." And I'm
taking some risks to do this, right?
I've had to talk to lawyers and things
like that, but I'm like, "Guys, I'm
going to call this stuff out." And
there's no way to do it without risk to
myself. Um but uh but there is no way
for leaders to stand up and defend those
who are being targeted by bad guys
without taking some risks for yourself.
So we all need to to step into that
stuff. Anyway,
Charlotte Gore is the next one we're
going to talk about. Charlotte Gore. Um
okay, there there's a guy named Chris
Gore. He's really significant in Bethl
or was for many years. I don't know what
he's doing at the moment, but he was at
Bethl reading from 2006 for many many
years until at least recently. Maybe
he's still there. I don't know. He was
the director of their healing ministries
at Bethl. And his daughter was a very
well-known, very disabled young lady,
very well-loved and cared for. And Shawn
decided to take her and use her as an
example in one of his shtick grifting
fake prophecy things because everybody
is a tool to this man, it seems.
>> Is there a um a Charlotte?
>> Hold on. I wanna I want to show you the
beginning of that video again. Bethl TV
moments. This was hosted on Bethl's uh
Bethl's uh Facebook and YouTube and
wherever their Bethl.tv stuff is hosted
at. This is one of their videos and it
was still present. It was still live
until I started asking about it
privately. I reached out to Chris Gore
and asked him and all of a sudden now
the video has disappeared.
>> Is there a um a Charlotte with October
7th birthday? Does that make sense to
anybody?
>> Charlotte Gore just had a birthday.
>> Who would Charlotte Gore be? I don't
know. Okay, Chris Gore's daughter. Okay,
and Chris isn't here. Chris Gore, where
is the camera that I'm looking?
>> I want to show you a different angle
where my face is not blocking because I
want you to see that there's there's
Bill Johnson, there's Benny Johnson,
there's Danny Silk, probably other
leaders here as well. Um, all all there
in the room. Um,
this is this is of course at Bethl
and he's going to now
abuse the entire church. looking at. Hi
streaming audience, we love you. This is
a word for you. And Charlotte Gore, um,
I saw the Lord giving you a hope for
fullness and your life matters to God in
a major way. So there's a healing power
of his love for significance and then it
will follow with a full healing. The
Lord wants to bring a full healing
and your parents' prayers are working.
What What am I saying? You guys are
excited.
I don't know what y'all are.
He's clearly prophesying that she's
going to be fully healed, which would be
obviously the heart's desire of any
parent or of her for that matter. I'll
show you. She she's she's very very
disabled. I'll show you later. I don't
want to show her face. I I I don't want
to increase any of the negative stuff,
but we have to give the the examples.
These are the public examples. I was
able to find this. I was able to go
through scrubbing through his videos,
scrubbing through the videos Bethl has
put up of of him and going, "Where is he
prophesied? Can I confirm that I found
this online?" Um, and I found examples
of my own as well. So, this is one of
those. Um, I think I'm the I think I'm
the first to brought this one up. He's
doing this to Bethl leadership. Now, he
pretends he doesn't know Chris. You You
He's like, "Chris Gore, who's Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I kind of am aware of him." He
knows who Chris is. He's been part of
Bethl for years at this point. He calls
it his mother church. He's He's close
with Bill Johnson. He's Come on, he
knows. But he has to pretend ignorance
to magnify his glory.
>> I'm really excited. So, tell me in
Oh, she's in a wheelchair. It's a very
disabled. God sees those prayers are
working and I know nothing about this
family. This is crazy. You know, I have
a real prayer in my heart just to be a
blessing to Bethl uh the church itself.
I feel like God wants to resolve some of
the long-term issues in Bethl. And now
listen, you've got to understand the the
the background of this. Bethl, I'm going
to play what he's going to say in a
second, but Bethl has for years been
been uh presenting a narrative that they
are on a trajectory of ever upward and
higher and better with miracles, with
healings, with financial prosperity, and
with prophecy and all of those things
are increasing over the years. Now,
they're not really increasing over the
years, but that's the narrative. They're
always increasing. They're always And
then Seawn shows up and he he's there
and he's like the guy with these extra
prophecies that nobody gets. So it's so
it's like he's the sort of the doorway
into that. That's the idea in the
movement. That's the idea. Um so this is
why I say revival culture can be
dangerous because it leaves you
vulnerable to the fakers because nobody
can have as many miracles as the guy
that's faking.
So he's going to now take this thing he
says about Charlotte Gore. You've been
praying for her to be healed for a long
long time. Well, now that healing, the
full healing is coming. And now he's
turning that that claim into a prophecy
about Bethl as a whole. you guys are
going to be entering into the realm that
you've been, you know, heading towards
and praying for and talking about where
you're going to get all the healings and
miracles and all this.
>> You know, I have a real prayer in my
heart just to be a blessing to Bethl,
uh, the church itself. I feel like God
wants to resolve some of the long-term
issues in Bethl. And I feel like this is
a picture of it like where he wants to
come in and resolve things that have
been prayed for to give a foundation of
faith. The things we're praying for
consistently that are always amongst us
that seem like they never get resolved
that God's going to start doing
something with those things. one. I feel
like prophet over Charlotte is an
example. I don't know the gores at all.
I don't think I don't know if I've ever
even talked to Chris Gorks over once.
So, I don't know anything about his
family, but I see three girls. And I
feel like this is a picture of the Lord
speaking into something because he's
going to start pulling in uh into the
full glory the things that have been the
most undone that are historic.
>> Pulling into full glory is a specific
phrase that has meaning uh in that group
>> undone. And I feel like this is one of
the pictures. So, we bless the situation
and ones like it to get resolved in this
season. in God. Wow. In Jesus name. Wow.
That's so good. Wow. There was some
holiness on that. Wow.
>> Chris needs to pat himself on the back
at the end of it. So, like I said, I
reached out to Chris Gore. Um I was
like, "Hey, can I talk to you about
this? I believe that he abused you and
your daughter and your family." And um I
I I guess I didn't grab the clip, but he
he also in the same clip, he mentions
their dog, Maverick. And the crowd goes
like they're shocked cuz they have a dog
named Maverick. And he's like, "Oh, wow.
Maverick. Yeah, okay. She has like a
Maverick little dog." And that was also
available online. So, let me show you
that this stuff was available online.
This is from uh Chris's website,
kingdomreleasers.org, or it was I had to
use the wayback machine to find this.
Uh, but in 2014, this was present, which
means that it would have been accessible
easily by uh by anybody who knew Chris's
name. You could find his site. It says
Chris graduated BSSM and is now working
at Bethl in a pastoral overseer role as
the director of healing ministries,
which he did, it seems, for many years.
on his Facebook page, which we have good
reason to think Shawn really likes
checking Facebook. It's not the only
thing he checks. Um Chris Gore had a
photo of his family with his three
daughters, his disabled daughter, and
their dog. And in the photo, it says,
"Our new member to our family has
arrived. Our dog Maverick."
Then he tags three other family members,
it seems, in this. This is something I
learned about Sean. Um, I scrubbed
through people's Facebook pages trying
to figure out like, was Shawn reading?
Let me go back to the date of this
event, look at their page, what was
being posted recently, and it looks to
me as though Shawn frequently wouldn't
read necessarily people's posts, like
weeks or months long posts, but rather
he would just click on photos and he
would scroll through their photos to
look for connections, individuals, and
events like a birthday, a funeral, the
the birth of a child, the death of a
child, and he would use those things in
his prophecy. So here the dog, the
child, everything is right there present
and it connects perfectly with what Sean
said. It was all publicly available.
Also, Chris Gore posted this word on his
page. Um, he was very excited by this
and he says, "I want to post an amazing
prophetic word where our daughter
Charlotte was called out by name and
birth date at the Open Heavens
Conference at Bethl. I really believe
this word is for more than just
Charlotte." Now he's echoing exactly
what Sean said, right? More than just
Charlotte. Um, but for the greater body
that have stood in faith for healing,
for long-term issues. I trust that you
are encouraged as you listen and receive
this word. And this connects well with
Bethl. Bethl has been saying, "We're
going to be the place where nobody
dies." Yes, they say that we're going to
be the place where nobody dies. They
joke no one's allowed to die. It was
actually Benny Johnson who joked that a
few years before she sadly passed from
cancer. Um,
so this connects very well with them. He
knows his target audience well. I think
as much as I have criticism for Bethl
leadership and I do think Chris, you
should have you should have blown the
whistle when you know you have enough
influence people would listen to you.
People who wouldn't listen to me in your
circle would listen to you. But you're
also a victim and my heart breaks for
you and for your daughter and your
family. And I'm so sorry that for who
however long after that you guys would
be going to church and people are asking
about her, checking in on her, praying
over her again and again and again and
again and again. And I if I was your
daughter, I'd be like that. I don't even
want to go to church. I I don't want to
be in an environment where everybody's
focused on me because of this fake
prophecy and everybody keeps hounding me
and harassing me. Ultimately, I wouldn't
even want to be there. I'd be like, "Can
we go somewhere else?" Um,
I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm
sorry that happened to her.
This is Charlotte Gore in 2024.
One of the more recent pictures I could
show you guys. Um, she's clearly still
disabled for those who are like, "But
maybe she did get healed." Dude, it's
been years and years. The original video
where the prophecy was there, the video,
not the event. The video was posted
October 15th, 2015. 2015. Um, this is
her 9 years later.
So, so Charlotte, that word wasn't from
the Lord. You didn't do anything wrong.
You didn't disappoint God. The people
praying for you didn't fail God in some
way. The man was just abusing others so
he could exalt himself and get glory and
money and and power. And it worked for a
good long while. And sadly, the
leadership in your own fellowship didn't
protect you from him.
And even when they found out, when they
definitely knew, they still didn't. Um,
so yeah, like I said, Bethl has pulled
that video. They didn't pull it when
Shawn was exposed publicly. They pulled
it when I asked privately about it.
That's the timeline as I understand it.
Let me talk now about usernames. Sean
likes to use usernames.
>> Never get usernames when I ask God for
new information I never get. Keep in
mind that he says he never gets
usernames. That's super important. Never
gets them. But imagine imagine if you
would. A prophet who doesn't know your
name, but he knows your Facebook
username. Terry Bishop 911. Terry
Bishop, you're working on the show and
we're getting you.
>> That is my uh username. Terry Bishop
911. The Lord says you live in a
pleasant place. What does that mean to
you?
>> I live on Pleasant Hill.
>> Come on.
>> Come on. That's on Sid Roth show. Uh
again, this is that's a pretty
significant thing to get invited on Sid
Roth. That's a door opener for you.
Churches will be calling you.
Conferences will be asking for you after
you get on the Sid Roth show. Here's
another one.
>> And I felt like he said even like
someone named Bubba cuz I saw Bubba Gump
Shrimp Company. Who is that? Who is
Bubba? Like who's Bubba?
Is this your Bubba?
>> Is that your real Is that your
>> Okay, I I enhanced the audio so you can
hear the guy a bit. I also put the text
on the screen. He's going to go, "Is
that your real name, Bubba?" Cuz he
doesn't know what the guy's real name
is. He just knows all he could see. This
is what it looks like. All he could see
was the guy's username online. He wasn't
sure if it was real. So, he goes ahead
and brings it up himself.
>> Your nickname, your family nickname.
>> My nickname is my Facebook.
>> That's so cute. That's so cute. I think
He goes on and on about it being cute. I
didn't keep playing it. That's so cute.
Chills. Something creepy about that.
Anyway, here's another one. Think this
is a username or something cuz it's a
person's name. So, excuse me if it is a
person's name. I'm sorry. L R I C K.
Babsel Rick.
>> Hold on. We're about to hear from her.
Babsel Rick. Again, Sean doesn't know
how to pronounce the names because he's
not hearing them. He is probably just
reading them off of the internet and he
goes, "I want to use this person, right?
They tagged they they checked in at the
event, something like that." Um, but I
uh I I don't know how to pronounce their
name and they didn't put their full real
name online. So, what did she say?
>> Rick.
>> Actually, it's Deborah Ellic, but my
husband calls me Babs. So, I
>> Babs
>> together here and I'm trying to figure
this out. never get usernames, but I ask
>> Deborah Ellerich, but my husband calls
me Babs.
Babs Ellich. He didn't even know there
was that was two different names. He
thought Babsel Babsel Rick was the name.
So, another example of him getting
usernames, uh, which I think in and of
itself is suspicious. Now, we put all
the suspicious things together, it's
it's definitive. I mean, there's there's
no reasonable doubt, no reasonable doubt
that this guy faked it. And there's and
I have a lot more to share. So, what I
want to do now though is play a video.
This is from a friend of mine named
Steven Kosar. Now, Steve Kosar has been
criticizing uh some of the craziness
that's gone on in the charismatic church
in particular for quite a while. And he
has a bad name because of it cuz your
name will get slandered if you do this
stuff. And um he tried to raise the
alarm about u about Shambles a long time
ago. And I want to play a significant
portion of of the video from him so that
you guys can see exactly what he was
talking about. I think this is pretty
significant. This is an awesome
analysis. And Steve's going to walk us
through some specific specific examples.
He'll put up something Sean claims uh
into the audience and then he'll show
how the thing that was claimed was
available publicly on social media. And
when you have this happening over and
over and over again, and you combine it
with one other element, Sean has
detailed specific facts about your past
and present that are available publicly
on on social media. And then combine
that with another fact. Sean has vague
vague generalities and prophecies for
you about your future. He might tell you
what to do with confidence, but he won't
tell you what will happen with great
confidence. generally speaking. Um,
sometimes he does, but it's not the kind
of details that he has about the past
and present. When you combine specific
public info with vague futuristic
prophecies, that's a huge red flag. When
you do it over and over and over again,
it's obvious that the guy's a faker.
Let's learn about Dennis. Dennis, who
was targeted, manipulated, and abused by
Shambols after Bethl had already had
opportunity to find out and correct this
man. And I'm looking for a dentist who
you're either from the Ukraine or your
parents were.
>> I just want to point out there's Rodney
Howard Brown on stage behind him, Daniel
Kinda and Heidi Baker.
>> And you moved to America and I think to
Washington State or Washington DC
>> and and Todd White and others. You'll
see.
>> Help me out here. Is there Dennis?
>> Every single thing that Shawn says comes
directly from the social media accounts
of Dennis. This is just a big trick.
So here Steve is showing uh the social
media page where Dennis talks about the
very things that um that Sean is
prophesying.
>> And you moved to America and I think to
Washington state or Washington DC
there's a dentist who your parents were
from the Ukraine. You moved into
America.
>> So the Facebook here shows that this
info is available.
>> Okay, help me out here. Is there a
dentist? We've only done this in
stadiums this big a few times. It's a
little hard.
>> So, my story goes that um my family
comes from a Ukrainian background. So,
my mom when she was about 16 years old.
Anybody who's listening on podcast, uh
this is a video that Dennis had on his
website, his own testimony video. Now,
keep in mind for the Isusa event, people
were doing check-ins on Facebook. We'll
talk about I'm coming back to Facebook.
As soon as we're done with Dennis, we
will come back to Facebook and I'll
reveal the thing that is very relevant
there. came into the United States and
my dad around not too long after that
did as well. They didn't know each other
and they came and they they got married
in the United States and uh I was a
second son born into the family. We've
only done this in stadiums this big a
few times. It's a little hard. We have
somebody we thank God thank you Dennis
for listening to God and showing up. Is
there a screen I can see or I can't even
see a screen I guess. Here let me walk
way out here and almost fall off the
stage. This is good. Dennis, YOU'RE
HERE.
GOOD. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE him in
just a second. You'll see Dennis and um
he's there surrounded. Oh, I guess he's
on screen. There you go. Right there.
Right with his arms up, facing and
smiling, surrounded by people wearing
similar shirts.
>> I can see a little bit. Dennis, the
Lord, the Lord himself
has been walking with you since you were
a little boy.
>> We were raised in a um Islamic
Pentecostal background. So my whole life
um I heard about Jesus. We we went a
church. It was something that was always
natural.
>> Has been walking with you since you were
a little boy and you had a hard time
there in the middle because of some of
the things that happened.
>> And I moved with my my mom and my
siblings to the state of Washington. And
I was in 8th grade at this time, moved
partially throughout the middle of the
school year. And uh I went through a lot
of hazing. There was a lot of bullying
and rejection during that time of my
life. and and begin to um start getting
into fights and um started getting
experimenting with drugs and and smoking
and and all those sorts of things. And
not too far down the road at the age of
15, I ended up getting arrested and uh
sitting
good amount of time in uh in a juvenile
system
>> and you had a hard time there in the
middle because of some of the things
that happened.
>> So again, this stuff is available on his
website. You can find Dennis because he
it seems checked into the Isusa now
event. He's uh using the hashtag like
Isusa now or 16 2016 or something like
that and it's all available there. I
it's not hard to think that before this
event Sean is sitting there in his hotel
room or wherever on his smartphone uh
taking some notes from the from the
things that he sees. Someone saying
can't wait for the next day at the ISUsa
now event. And then Sean's searching and
looking at and I'll show you in a
second. We'll get to the Facebook in a
second. So, it's not a coincidence. All
these things are too much to be a
coincidence. Okay. Sean's a faker. And
I'll have more witness testimony from
people who used to work with him, work
for him, and former employees and others
that will be adding to this to tell the
whole story. The whole story today. And
you had a hard time there in the middle
because of some of the things that
happened. And you had a hard time there
in the middle because of some of the
things that happened. and your family,
but it's going to give you the power
over divorce.
>> At about 13, my my parents start going
through a divorce
>> and broken families and adoption and
foster care. And the Lord is saying he's
raising you up that there's something
you're called to build of an awakening
movement, an awakening movement.
>> So on the screen just there, Steve Kosar
put the website that this guy's website
is awakening generation. And so Sean
weaves that into his prophecy. So the
guy's thinking like, "Wow, God really
sees me. He knows me. I'm on the right
track. He wants me to do this." This is
the moment where most likely Dennis is
thinking, "I know for sure what my
life's mission will be. Maybe I've
struggled. Maybe I've doubted it. Maybe
I've wondered if it would work. Now I
know for sure this is my life's mission.
I will do everything that Sean just said
I should do."
SOMETHING ON the East Coast. I THINK
YOU'RE ON THE WEST COAST, but you're
going to be on the East Coast.
Apparently, it's happening
>> right from Tacoma, Washington. lives in
Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania,
>> the East Coast. And it
>> that that's what his Facebook says.
>> See, like um um Pennsylvania,
Pennsylvania. And God IS SAYING HE'S
AWAKENING SOMETHING IN PENNSYLVANIA AND
HE'S CALLING YOU TO LEAD a movement. A
movement.
Steve writes on the screen here, "This
poor guy's getting scammed." 100% true.
I feel bad for Dennis. Dennis, uh in
fact, it may be that you what you were
already doing is what the Lord would
have you do. that may well be um but if
you have been fundraising based upon
upon this word from shambles you have to
stop and that doesn't mean that your
ministry is invalid or that your calling
is can't be in place but you need to
disregard this and know that many many
many other people experienced the same
thing from Shawn learn from it grow from
it move on if you need counseling Dennis
reach out to my ministry we will no
strings attached we will pay for you to
get some counseling from some reliable
trustworthy people who help people
recover from spiritual abuse
MY DENNIS, THERE YOU ARE.
And Dennis, I'll tell you this. I have
to face you and face you two ways. I
don't know how to do this, but I'm
telling you, your your your heritage in
Eastern Europe.
>> My family comes from a Ukrainian
background.
>> God is going to send you not only to
America, but he's going to send you to
North America. He's going to send you to
South America, but he's going to
commission you. not just send you but
commission you over the Ukraine and
Eastern Europe and something's gonna
happen like you can't even dream.
>> So yeah, on the screen more information
from social media that confirms that
Sean could easily have just data mined
every single thing.
>> Dream up.
>> Something's going to happen like you
can't even dream up. Really? This is
supposed to be God talking. A God who
apparently can't even be specific.
>> He's putting you right now on the
highest lampstand that you could shine
from. And it's your time, brother. It's
your time.
just about a year.
>> Okay. Now, now he's going to get into a
couple other things that I thought would
be important to just throw in here. Um
Sean's uh more notable false prophecies
uh Corona virus and Trump.
>> After this send event where we just saw
him using his smartphone, he made this
ridiculous pronouncement from God that
the Corona virus was about to end.
Everything was going to be okay. Even
now, several vaccines are coming out.
This was in February of 2020.
He um made a big deal out of this. Fox
News who some or some gullible person at
Fox News actually ran with this story.
And here he is on the String Report
being interviewed by Steven Strang, the
publisher for uh Charisma.
>> Uh the String Report and Steven String
did damage control for Benny Hinn after
I exposed him. And um
it was uh
it was it was it was bad. It was bad.
Um, I actually did an interview with
Charisma and somebody inside, the guy
who interviewed me was fine, but there
was somebody else who was in his ear
trying to get him to lay a trap for me
by asking me a a loaded question about
Benny Hinn. Soon as I answered it, they
put articles out on multiple news
websites to try to attack my character.
This is just what really happened. Okay,
there's the coverup culture is a real
thing. Millions won't die. The economy
will surge. This was in March of 2020.
Also in 2020, he made the prediction
that Trump was going to win his second
term just like all the other false
prophets. Then he apologized for it and
said, "Uh, hey, you know, I'm just
learning. I'm taking
>> uh just for anybody who's like, well, I
think he did win in that initial 2020
election actually." So that's not
relevant to the point we're making here.
So he said Trump would have two
consecutive terms that in in 2020 he
would be the president for the next four
years in office, right? And that didn't
happen. And so whether you thought the
election was stolen or not is not
relevant to this particular issue. He
said it would happen and it didn't. So
he was wrong um about a big prophecy.
There was so many of the guys that were
wrong about Trump that year that it was
it was like the Lord was exposing the
fake pro prophetic in the charismatic
movement. Sadly, it didn't seem to have
made that much of a difference yet.
>> Risks. I'm just trying this thing out.
That's not how prophets work in the
Bible. It was actually at the same event
that Shawn prophesied over Daniel Kinda.
Uh this is a video that's still up on
YouTube called Shawn BS prophesying over
Daniel Kinda at the sin 2019. Here
you've got uh Bill Johnson, Lou Angel,
you've got Todd White, you have Daniel
Kinda, you got Michael Koulanos, you
have a bunch of different people here on
stage. Um this is big. This is 2019 now.
They Bethl already had information 2015,
2016, 2017. They still put them up and
did this. And the thing is for someone
like Daniel Kinda to have this moment
where BS calls him out and he's like,
"God's giving you a special upgrade to
your anointing and d and you don't want
this guy to be exposed potentially
because it makes it makes you look like
there's something not not right because
you're like getting anointings from
these guys." And so there can be this
sort of mutual dependency where these
guys give each other prophetic words and
then it's hard for them to expose one
another.
>> So where's Daniel? Janet Flynn, come up
here real fast, brother. But I will say
this. I felt like God I I kept seeing it
over and over and over, and I felt like
I was supposed to do it in front of
everybody because I feel like you
represent someone who's having a fresh
commissioning from God. Behold, I do a
new thing through you. And it's going to
involve properties all over the world
that will be disciplehip places. And I'm
telling you, the roots of what you've
inspired will now go deeply in the lands
because there's a property anointing
along with a ministry of evangelism and
crusades, a property anointing. Okay, so
now we come to 2013. Why 2013? Why is
that the time when his prophetic gift
took off when all of a sudden he's not
just normal prophetic grifting like Paul
Kaine would, he's next level prophetic
grifting like Shawn BS does. Um it's the
same time as Facebook introduced
remember social media is not that old
really. Facebook introduced a new
feature called graph search. It's get it
gets put in place the beta of it is
announced January 15th 2013 and now you
can search you can check hashtags and
you can search for people's names. You
can connect relationships. Before you
would go on Facebook and just sort of
hope it connected you to people you know
that were in your area or that you you
know also went to the same school as you
or something. He just would go and hope
it would make a connection. Now you can
search. That's what happened in 2013.
When he says to Sid Roth in the article,
he says on Sid Roth's program that it
was 2013 get he got his prophetic
upgrade.
That was just the year that Facebook
became searchable. That's all it was. It
was so obvious. That's why Steve Kosar
knew it. That's why Matthew Hartkey knew
it. In 2021, he posted on X a bunch of
evidence about this. And that that's why
even in 2017 you even had public
articles. Do you guys I this will this
will surprise you but here's a public
article that was available in 2017.
Let me put it on your screen. Shawn BS
exposing a fraudulent charismatic
prophet by Stuart James Felker May 17th
at 2017 last time it was updated. It
talks about the ISUsa street event the
big ISUsa street event. It goes through
the specific issues of how this is known
as hot reading and then there's cold
reading and what who ultimately Sean
did. They got videos of it. They talk
about it in detail. The stuff was all
there. The evidence was right there. Why
did nobody listen when this article came
out? I think the answer is easy because
it is the the people don't have the
power to hold leaders accountable in the
movement. It would only matter if a
fellow leader would hold him
accountable. That's the only time it
would matter. You can check out this
article if you want. I give you the name
of it. it would be easy to find. Again,
it was even earlier than that. April of
2016, I've seen screenshots of Facebook
conversations people are having April of
2016 about Shambles data mining people's
information off the internet. People had
the info. They just let it happen.
Anyways, the leaders didn't stop it.
There was one guy who tried to call it
out. His name is Jason Smmedley, and he
started recording back in 2015,
recording uh things that Shawn was
saying and then comparing them with
social media. He received a lot of
criticism from the people around him
until finally Paul Kaine of all people
reached out to Jason Smmeley and gave
him a hard time. Um I think I have a
clip. I guess I'll share that with you
guys a bit later. We'll talk about Jason
Smmedley more uh when the time comes. So
people knew they had the info. They
didn't they didn't do anything about it.
And I honestly don't think that that was
the first time it came up was 2015. I
don't think that's the first time people
realized something was wrong with Shawn
or the grift was going on. I honestly
believe that Bethl knows there's a whole
bunch of fake stuff going on and they're
just okay with it. There are reasons why
they think it's okay, it's acceptable,
it's it's serving some greater good or
it's serving some other not greater
benefit. I don't know what the reasons
are, but I I do think that they're aware
of this stuff. It was actually 2006
when uh Bill said of according to a
witness of mine said that Shawn was his
spiritual son. His spiritual son. Now
later they'll claim they have no
authority over Shawn, but Shawn was
going around according to a former
employee saying that Bethl was quote his
mother church,
his mother church. Now when time came to
hold him accountable, you'll see the
text messages later. Chris Valatin goes,
"Well, we have no authority over him, so
you know, oh well." And then Shayon's
like, "Ah, I don't really have authority
over him." Patricia King's like, "I
don't really have authority over him."
And every nobody's around to help when
the time comes. But all this to say,
Bill Johnson for sure was aware of the
prophecy issues and the sexual
harassment issues in 2023 when he made
the video on TBN on TBN where he
endorsed Shawn. Not only endorsed his
book, Translating God, but endorsed his
character, the character of the man. In
fact, let me read you one line from Bill
Johnson's forward to the book, which he
obviously still stood behind in 2023. He
said about Shawn, "The time for the
authentic has come." H yeah, right here
in this in his forward to the book, the
time for the authentic has come. Uh
there's more. There's a lot more
actually. Now, TBN TBN had uh Sean
hosted hosting a show for on TBN long
after the evidence had come out uh in
internally where you know all the
circles of of of special important
people knew about it. But TBN when it
went public, they just quietly scrubbed
the data off the internet. They got rid
of all of his shows. He had a show on a
network and it was just disappeared
without announcement because when the
leaders know about it, nothing happens.
But when you know about it, public knows
about it, then they hide. So this video
I'm going to show you here, I actually
took this
gosh it was like last year, February or
something like that. Um it was it was
quite a while ago and it was just when
things started going public because
minor prophets went out and made their
video where they were saying, "Hey guys,
everybody knows um and and nobody's
doing anything about it." Um and this
but this is before the witnesses came
forward. I have more information. I have
stuff that nobody's heard before that
I'll be sharing with you guys today. So
anyways, this is what TBN did.
All right. I've been looking into uh
Shawn Bull's stuff. This is his search
results on TBN. TBN, which previously
had um a video of Shambles and Bill
Johnson, which has just been scrubbed
from their site. It's gone now. The link
doesn't work. I think I've already
showed you guys that at this point in my
video if I did what I plan to do. But
when I click on these other videos where
Shawn Bulls shows up,
you actually go to them. Okay, that
looks like it works. There he is. Shawn
BS. It's his his show, I believe.
Translating God with Shawn BS. That's
his show. When I click to watch them,
just says technical difficulties. If I
do this with another video,
this is him and Chayon who's in our
prophet guy uh apostle supposedly. And
same issue, technical difficulties. If I
click the next one, let's just it'll go
down here to this one. Engaging a
culture open link, a new tab. Here it
is. Looks like it should be there. The
placeholder is there. The video is
cycling.
Oh, apologies. Technical difficulties,
it says. Um, you guys see me sometimes I
wear hats. Anyways, this this is uh part
of what's going on is a a what looks
like TBN scrubbing Shawn BS from their
website. Um there should be if this is
the case, if he needs to be screwed from
their sight because he is a false
prophet who's been misleading and
deceiving people and causing harm and
well then they should publicly come out
and say it. That's the responsible thing
to do. That's the biblical thing to do.
That's the Christian thing to do. I
don't think they will do this. It looks
to me like it's more of the same.
Protect protect the movement. Protect
the self. Protect cover up. But don't
warn the people who they misled by
putting this content on their site in
the first place.
So the people who I especially think are
accountable for dealing with Shawn are
those who platformed him. They have to
deal with him. The people who are
actually dealing with him are people who
never platformed him whose hearts just
break for the victims and who are saying
this has to be dealt with. We care about
prophetic integrity. And more and more
charismatic people are making making
noise about it and I'm proud of you guys
and I'm thankful that you are. Um,
that's a good thing. But I want those
leaders, I hope they watch this video. I
I doubt it. I doubt Chris Boutton would
watch this video. I doubt he would give
it the time of day. Um,
but I hope that they will because what I
want you to see next is I want you to
see this. This is Jubilee Dawn. She's
going to talk about how healing it was
for her when people finally exposed
Shawn for who he was and how it blessed
her and it meant so much to her for him
to be called out. And this is what you
do is you you vindicate. You're not just
calling people out because you hate
Shawn. You're vindicating the people
that they hurt. You're bringing healing
to where harm was brought. You're you're
you're even if if you call out from
within your own group, you're even
bringing purity and integrity back into
your group. But Bethl did none of those
things.
>> The person who reached out to me said um
that he hoped that this was not
triggering for me to hear this
information, but he thought that I
deserve to know. And it is just healing
to be honest. It's so much closure. It
is what 24 25-year-old me needed to hear
was that I didn't need to stay in that
marriage and that none of that was real.
So, I love my TikTok community. I'm so
thankful. I would have never had the um
I don't know just that absolute healing
confirmation if it wasn't for this app
and the community that I built on here.
So I love you guys. Thank you so so
much. You have changed my life.
>> Bethl could have easily stopped this
from happening in the first place. But
they could also have easily done
something to bring that kind of healing
from within the church, right? From
believers. They could have brought that
kind of healing to Jubilee and so many
others because even as this video goes
out, there's new people finding out
because even though this stuff's been
exposed, it's just that the platforms
aren't big enough. What we need is Bill
Johnson to make a statement about about
Shawn specifically that it's true. It's
all true, right? Not the horrible
statement that they actually made, which
I will be reading later on. Um, but that
it's actually true and tell us what you
actually know. But they won't do it.
It's always damage control. It's a PR.
It's it's it's like talking to human
resources is dealing with these guys and
it's just
It's lame and it's abusive to people.
Speaking of abuse, abuse to people,
we're going to talk about Sean's sexual
deviency. Now,
sexual deviency and sexual harassment.
And I would I would think it classified
as clergy sexual abuse. So, I
interviewed three eyewitnesses from
Shawn's uh ministry, his former
employees. three three eyewitnesses. I'm
going to tell their stories and specific
detail and this is going to be gross and
it's going to be inappropriate for kids
and you're free for you to skip past it
if you want. Again, there's timestamps
down below. You can just skip right past
this section, but I'm going to get into
it and we're going to talk about in
detail. Um, all three of them reported
very significant things. instances of
Shawn's uh nudity in unwanted forced
nudity in in various scenarios and his
self-pleasuring I'll call it um in front
of people who were not welcoming it
there they they assure me there are at
least 12 victims that they're aware of
12 that they are aware of from people
who all were under Sean's influence
under his authority in some sense who he
did this kind of stuff to and their
testimonies span over a decade, well
over a 10-year period of time, these
three witnesses can attest to. And so
this means that we're talking about um
stuff that was happening before 2005 and
it was happening all the way into the
late 201s and by all reasonable
expectation is still happening today. I
would I would anticipate. There's no
reason to think otherwise because he's
lying and deceiving and and and denying.
So why would you think that something
has suddenly changed and improved? Bill
Johnson and Bethl leadership knew about
this for nearly five years at least that
they knew about these things. Multiple
witnesses. Now they mentioned in their
letter one witness. It was they knew
about more than one actually. Um we'll
go through that letter later. So they
knew. Now what these guys describe what
the three men I spoke with describe is
sexually doineering behavior. I would
call it grooming. I think it qualifies
and deviency. that is a person who is
disqualified from ministry certainly is
not a prophet and it's it's sick and
dark and but we'll get into it. So long
ago Sean would before he was married
would have group homes where he would he
would be the guy that was in charge of
the property like it was his house or
he's renting or whatever and then he had
a group of young men who would live with
him. And so one of these group homes was
um in LA and Sean rented this house. It
was about um seven men that lived in the
house with him. All young men in their
20s. Shawn was older than all of them.
He's 51 now. Um so he was older than all
of them. And it was according to one
witness, it was quote like a Christian
frat house. That was kind of what it was
like. And also quote, Shawn was always
trying to get us naked. That's a theme
with Shawn. Shawn has a voyeristic
desire to be seen naked. It seems from
multiple witnesses. And I'm as a
Christian, I'm supposed to take the
consistent testimony of multiple
witnesses, which doesn't have any like
red flags of of of
being false or something like that. Um,
and then it seemed then they're
confirming one another. And anyway, I I
got so I I got more than three actually
witnesses I can share. You'll see. It's
all coming. All right. So, uh, they say
Shawn was always trying to get us naked.
Uh, Shawn would send uh pictures of his
private parts to guys. He'd send photos
and he tried to create a culture where
that was normalized. One thing Sean does
is he wants to bring people other people
it seems to his level of sexual
depravity. So he's trying to create an
environment where that stuff is
normalized. He often uh talked about the
size of his self and he would talk about
it being larger than the other men's. Um
and then he would use this in a sort of
a doineering fashion. It seems the guys
had conversations about Shawn. This is
back. We're talking many years ago. They
would have open conversations about
Shawn. Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's gay. I
don't know. Some things he does. Maybe
he's gay. But it was confusing to them
because he would talk about sexual
purity all the time. Now, Sham would
claim he was a virgin. He was not
married until he was a older guy and he
was single at this time and he said he
was a virgin. And he would say things
like, "If anybody on the team is caught
using pornography, then they're kicked
out of the ministry." He would say this,
right? But this was confusing because
then he would display himself and do
other things. We'll get into that in a
minute, more of that in a minute. Um,
about the self-pleasuring stuff. And so,
they were confused. And
of course, it's confusing. You're you're
with a a a sick, demonically controlled
pervert. That that I don't know another
way to call it. You're certainly not
controlled by the Holy Spirit when
you're getting up and speaking in God's
name, doing these things. Anyways,
this one witness I spoke to, he found he
was told by, "Hey, go get my phone or
whatever." He he grabs Sean's phone and
he sees gay pornography on the phone.
This shocked him and he showed it to
another guy so that the two of them
could go and confront Shawn. Hey, what
is the deal with this? We found this on
your phone. Now, Shawn's own standards
are very high, verbally at least. And so
they they came and asked him, "What is
the deal here?" Sean's response,
according to him, was it was a joke. I
that he deliberately looked up gay
pornography, left it on his phone
visible so that this guy would find it
as a way of messing with him.
Do you believe that?
I don't believe that.
Prior to this, this is this is in the LA
home that he had with seven guys. Prior
to this, I'm told that Sean had another
group home in Alabama where three guys
lived. This is even further in the past
before I have access to uh those people
or those individuals. Um, one witness
from a more recent much more recent
time, again, I told you this spans from
2005 to the late 201s. Um, so one from a
more recent time said that uh Sean would
regularly go to Kore a Korean spa, a
specific Korean spa in LA, and he would
walk around there naked. He just walk
around there naked. He was always trying
to get the other guys to join him at the
spa. Some of those watching this video,
Sean has done this to you. Um, and if
you need uh counseling or if you know
need to talk to uh somebody, that's
good, man. You can recover from this.
You can get over this. You can overcome
this and you'll be stronger for it in
the end. And um there's help for you.
So, you can reach out to my my ministry.
I'm not offering to pay for counseling
for every random person that watches
this video, but if you're a victim of
shambles and you reach out, we want to
help you out. Okay? no strings attached.
Um
there's so much more. So the things that
these guys described, these witnesses,
and in full agreement with each other,
um and and separately, I've interviewed
them separately. Um and there's there's
corresponding details. So the things
that they described reveal a pattern of
Shawn's grooming, sexual doineering, and
unwanted sexual harassment. Let me give
some examples. One of the men on his uh
first trip with Shawn, he had been
warned prior to the trip uh that Shawn
likes to be naked in the hotel room.
Now, he he he thought it was a joke. He
thought the guy was telling a joke, and
he goes, you know, is there anything I
need to know about Shawn? He goes,
"Well, you know, he likes to be naked in
the hotel room." He was like, "Okay." Uh
he thought he was joking. Was not true.
Uh it was not true that it was a joke.
It was it was just a fact. So, when they
get to the hotel room, within minutes,
Shawn just strips his clothes off. And
this becomes part of a pattern of
trapped conditions. Shawn in conditions
where people are trapped, they're stuck
with him. That's when he takes
advantage. So, he pulls his clothes off
and he's just walking around naked. Um,
then things got worse. And I'll walk
through the timeline of this a little
bit more later, but he at one point woke
up to uh to Shawn uh pleasuring himself
and then he then Seawn just started
doing it all the time. All the time. And
it was in these trap conditions. They're
traveling. They're in a hotel room.
They're in a one of them he's in a car
when it happens. Uh I'll I'll talk about
that.
This is the pattern with him ongoing
continual repeated pattern for many
years of doing this these sort of
things.
with guys
in trapped conditions without consent.
Now, consent wouldn't make it okay. It
would still be morally wrong. But it is
different when you take away consent.
You go, you're you're you're his boss.
You're his spiritual leader. You're the
guy who's footing the bill
and you're doing this.
One time one of the guys very boldly
said cuz he was upset about it and he
Sean was again naked on the top of the
covers of his bed and he was doing this
stuff to himself and he says if you're
going to do that go into the stinking
bathroom although he didn't say
stinking. And Sean replied, "You go to
the bathroom if you don't like it. I'm
paying for the room and travel."
One of the gentlemen um who was back
then experiencing these things uh
actually took a video of Shawn doing
this
not as a way of delighting in it but
probably as a way of I'm guessing to try
to get control of his life cuz it's it's
it's oppressive. It's oppressive. It's
doineering and oppressive for him to do
this to them. This is in my opinion it's
sexually abusive. Um,
so he takes this video of it and then
just shows it to another another one of
the guys in the group and um he's like
like as a way of saying look at this is
so wrong and disgusting. Now some of you
are thinking I don't understand how this
could happen. Like if if you've never
been in an environment of like say a
really toxic home, a really bad
scenario, really unhealthy
relationships, then yeah, it makes you
don't understand how this could happen
because you've never seen it happen
before. But this stuff happens all the
time and um and it usually takes people
a long time to get out of it and then to
sort of um detoxify from the environment
where they start to realize how the how
they were brought through a deliberate
path. I'll talk about the pathway that
Sean uses through a deliberate path to
get them to the place where they were
vulnerable enough where someone could do
this to them. And um and it it it is
understandable. Anyways, Shawn would
give justifications. Um, according to
the witnesses, he would say things like,
"I'm a prophet. I need release." So,
this is why he can
pleasure himself in front of other
people without their consent is partly
because he is a prophet. He needs
release. Now, I want you to think about
what it means to tie your prophetic,
supposed prophetic gifting to your
disgusting, sexually perverted
behaviors. What does that mean about
your soul? What does that mean about the
nature of this guy?
about him exposing himself.
He said that was quote normal stuff that
happened between guys in locker rooms.
That was what I've been told. That he
would use the locker room excuse as a
regular way of sort of deferring, you
know, like, oh, that's just normal, but
I exposing myself. That's normal locker
room stuff, guys.
I don't think that is normal locker room
stuff, guys. But I also think that Shawn
is not a locker room guy in the first
place. Take a look at the guy. He's not
exactly been in a lot of locker rooms
doing a lot of sports things. He likes
to surround himself. He has a type of of
of guys he likes. He likes young
athletic guys to be serving alongside of
him. That's true. But he has not been
the athletic guy. He just
likes them.
He would tell people who confronted him
that they were being religious. He
actually tried to convince one of my
witnesses that something was wrong with
him because he was bothered by Shawn's
behavior. Well, you're religious. You're
too bound up by religion. of spirit of
religion. That's why you don't want me
to be fondling myself. You don't want me
to be doing the these things that I'm
doing in front of you. Now, I want to
talk about how it impacted one of my
witnesses cuz this has been a consistent
story I've heard. It led him to suicidal
ideiation and eventually PTSD episodes
while there. He received a lot of
counseling um and has improved a lot.
But even this video is something that is
is going to be challenging for him to
deal with and he's he's working through
it. and I had to make sure, are you sure
you're okay with me sharing these
things? I don't want to do anything
that's going to bring harm to you. And
um hopefully it's part of his healing
because finally people are going to know
the truth. Something he tried to make
happen, but um but it didn't happen
because Sean's board wouldn't listen
because the leadership at Bethl and
other uh individuals would not listen.
They wouldn't do anything to stop him.
They would just distance themselves from
him and tell others, "Oo, watch out for
Seawn. There's witnesses in the wings
ready to come forward. you wouldn't want
to be around him. That's that's the
message that I think went out. That's
how I think it really went. So, a common
thing among guys I talk to is these like
suicidal ideiation or or just PTSD or
basically they experienced a lot of
nasty sick trauma from a guy who was
supposed to be a prophetic leader. A
different witness. Let me tell you about
a different guy's story. Uh Sean got in
the backseat of the car all of a sudden
with this employee and just started
doing his thing, pleasing himself,
right?
I don't want to give more details. You
know what that means? He was he was in
the backseat of the car all of a sudden
just climbs back there and just does
this with him right there in the front
without without permission or consent or
something like that. Again, consent
doesn't make it okay, but but it makes
it even worse to not have it. and he
knew that this this young man at the
time he was he was a victim of prior
sexual abuse and Shawn knew this about
the man. You will find that a target
person for somebody who is exhibiting
the behaviors that we're hearing about
that Shawn we're hearing Shawn
exhibited. Those kinds of people tend to
target those who suffered abuse in the
past because they're sort of more ready
for it in the future. That's the sad
reality is that a someone who who abuses
their child very often leads to that say
it's a girl leads to that girl marrying
an abusive man. They're primed for
certain behaviors and certain relational
dynamics and so they target them. This
is not a surprise because Paul Kaine,
one of Shawn Bull's mentors and a guy
who sought to protect Shawn when people
were trying to expose him earlier um who
has since died.
Uh thankfully he's not around to protect
Shawn now.
Paul Kaine would do this with his
interns. He would hire multiple interns
who were former homosexuals and then
bring them in and then they're
repentant. They need guidance. They need
spiritual leadership. But he would groom
them and stuff that's already been
public that's been been public for a
while now about Paul Kane, one of the
supposed Kansas City prophets connected
to Mike Bickl and all this
who had a hand in protecting Shawn and
keeping him from getting exposed even
earlier.
So Shawn does this in the trapped back
seat trapped car situation where he's
driving and boom, he just does this all
of a sudden. Then it was in hotel rooms.
Um then when he's challenged, he mocks
the person challenging him, this
employee who challenges him. He mocks
him. He breaks him down. He talks about
how he's the man of God and he's the
prophet and he's tearing down the walls
systematically in this person's life to
make it more normal. Shawn would
insinuate himself in their lives so that
they feel like he's involved in every
part of their life. Every decision they
make, they have to talk to Shawn about
it. They have to get his wisdom and his
guidance on everything. He's like a
mentor. He's also an employer. He's like
their best friend. He's also their
landlord. This this incredible like
cultlike in connection that he has with
people and then connects it to these
intimate perverse things. And then if
you don't like it, he shames you and he
spiritually berates you over it.
Another thing this particular witness
told me is Sean, I'll just read what he
said, loved to whip his thing out and
show it to everybody.
This is an assertion of dominance. That
that's what this is. This is an I
believe this anyways is an assertion of
dominance. This is about power and man
Sean must like power. The power of being
in a room and having the being the man
of God who gets the word of God, the
best prophet of our day. That you must
like that power. The power of stripping
down and exposing yourself and forcing
that on other people.
I think maybe that that feels good in
some disgusting way to him. And so, let
me talk to you about how he progresses.
I think it's calculated. I think it's
intentional. And after being a a DV
domestic violence counselor for years,
um there's often progression when people
get others into these really unhealthy
like deeply wicked relationships. Um it
doesn't just go straight to it. Usually
typically it's a it's a long slow
process to get somebody into the place
where they are um they're exposed to
those things. For instance, you don't
know that Sean's going to do this to you
until after you're already hired, after
you've already got a paycheck coming in,
after you're already in a hotel room and
you're already trapped and you've and
you've already come to think of him as
this as this uh man of God, you know,
then it happens. And that environment
makes it difficult for you to do
something about it. It's not impossible,
but it makes it harder. Okay, so here's
the progression.
first trip, hotel room trip, within a
minute of stepping into the room, Sean
is completely nude, walking around
completely nude. From then on, it was
going to be prolonged nudity. He would
be nude for hours and in the room, just
anytime he's in the room, he is not
wearing clothes. That was the normal
thing that was going on at the time. He
would also then ask for massages while
he was not wearing clothes in the hotel
room. Can you give a massage? Oh, my
back hurts. Oh, give me a massage, man.
Come on, man. Come on, dude. I'm not
comfortable touching you with your W.
your religious spirit. You know, you
need you need to let go of that
religious spirit. Whatever it was, this
kind of thing was going on. One time in
particular,
I'm sorry to even say this stuff out
loud. Um
Sean was
aroused physically standing over this
person near him. Uh and he was
near him and
wagging and saying, "Why won't you look
at it? Why won't you look at it? Look at
it.
Do you see the progression? They're
pushing it, pushing it, pushing it. Now,
when the guy doesn't look, he goes, "Oh,
I'm shaming you. You're not looking
because you have this problem. You're
not looking because you have that
character issue or that fear or that
insecurity, and that's the reason why
you don't want to look at me." Let me
talk about multiple uh moments of the um
self-pleasuring. Okay. So,
first time in a in a hotel room at 3:00
in the morning, he this this witness
believes Shawn purposely woke him up and
Shawn is there uh doing his thing. Um,
also Shawn warns him around the same
time he says, "Sometimes I wake up in
the middle of the night jerking off."
That that's what he tells the guy.
So, this is him probably trying to cover
his bases, cover his tracks, right? He
This is obviously not an accident. and
he's not sleepwalking. This is something
he's doing deliberately. Um, second
time, second time now he's in London. In
London, Shawn is doing an event called
God Secrets
in London. And somehow, uh, Shawn got
them into the honeymoon suite at this
hotel. They don't get a normal room.
They get the honeymoon suite, him and
his employee.
And the honeymoon suite has a clear
glass shower.
And the guy's uncomfortable with this
because he's obvious for obvious
reasons, right? So, he actually showers
in his shorts. He's that uncomfortable
with the things that are going on. And
they're together in the room the next
morning. And now it's not wake up in the
middle of the night. Oh, I sometimes do
that. I wake up. He just asks the guy
openly right there as they're hanging
out in the morning. Morning is Sean's
time for this stuff. He says, "Do you
care?" Sean asks him, "Do you care if I
jerk off?" The guy does not give
permission. Sean just does it anyways
all the way everything
again he's doing a conference called God
secrets in London
the third time I want to show the
progression here from nudity to engaged
nudity to physical stuff we say oh it
was sleepwalking to then um asking
permission to finally next time he
doesn't ask he just starts it's in the
morning he's on his bed not wearing any
clothes on top of the covers and just
goes for it. This led to for this
gentleman, depression, trauma, suicidal
ideiation, different guy we're talking
about here, counseling, long recovery.
Again, if you're one of Sean's victims,
please reach out to to my ministry,
biblethinker.org, and we will help you
out. Um, and I I a warning has to go out
to Sean's current team members, the
people that are working with him now,
the people that are around him now. He's
obviously a very dangerous man. He
probably should be brought up on
charges. I'm not I'm not the law. I
don't have that kind of power and I'm
not the witness, but I I can warn the
church. Hey guys, this is editing Mike
coming in here. Sorry for this attire.
Um, here's the thing. I was editing the
video just now. Um, and I noticed that I
didn't mention something that I thought
I did talk about, which is that one of
the three former employees told me that
the progression actually went to the
point where in his case, uh, Shawn was
doing this every every morning. like
whenever they were traveling every
morning he would wake up in the room
with John and he'd be nude and he'd be
performing to completion the perverse
act. This was constant uh continual and
who knows where the progression would
have gone um had any of these guys been
you know open to it. We just don't know
the answer to that question and it does
need to be brought up and that this does
need to be pursued. This is insane this
stuff. I I I hope that somehow the ball
gets rolling forward after this video to
bring more accountability to Shawn. Now,
there's more that all three of these
people confirmed and some of those
things were Shawn as a big fat liar.
All three of them confirmed that that he
was known as a guy who was dishonest and
untruthful as opposed to Bill Johnson
who says one of our most trusted
friends.
I was told Sean often exaggerated
stories. Again, this is an over 10-year
period of time these people represent.
He says 10 people would profess faith
and Shawn would later tell a crowd that
a hundred people did. When he was
confronted about this and said, "Hey,
Sean, you you you lied to those people."
He would just say, "Oh, I got excited. I
get excited. I just I get excited."
He was well known for exaggerating and
lying. Even back in 2008, they called
him quote Shawn the Liar. I double
checked with this witness. I was like,
"People like actually called him that
like a nickname." and he goes, "Yeah,
Shawn the Liar. That was the nickname
that they had for him." Bethl introduced
him to the world as one of our most
trusted friends.
Another witness, different witness, said
that about the fake prophecy stuff that
Shawn would ask for the Wi-Fi password
when they visited churches that he
wanted also wanted access to the backend
to find info on those who were attending
a Spokane conference that they put on.
So, there's a specific memory of a
specific conference at at Spokane where
he was like, I want he he he made up a
story, it seems, about like, oh, I want
to uh see if somebody I know might be
attending the conference so I could comp
them. Um, and yet to to that person's
employees knowledge, nobody was comped.
Nobody. And and that didn't happen. Um,
right. He just wanted information to the
back end, which is an old Paul Kane
trick, right? Paul Kane's like, "Can I
go look at your church uh uh records?"
He says this witness quote he is a
profound liar. He gives another example.
Says once Shawn played video games all
day and when he went to the conference
he was giving words of knowledge to
people, right? He gives words and says
that he got those words from God while
he was in his room. Why does he say he
got them in the room? Because he's got
them on his smart device and he's got to
read off the device. He probably got
them like late at night when he's
scrolling around looking at the
check-ins and checking people's
Facebooks and trying to see who's there
or maybe checking to see who's signed
in. compare the names of the people that
signed in and then search for Facebook
to see if you can find them. Um, at any
rate, he just played video games all day
in the hotel room. I'm guessing he was
wearing no clothes playing video games
all day in the hotel room. He didn't
spend any time seeking the Lord. He
didn't spend any time getting words from
God, but he told the conference people
that he did. That's what the witnesses
is testifying.
He says also that he never saw Shawn
pray. Never. Not on his own. Obviously
on stage, sure, uh, but not on his own.
never saw Shawn open his Bible. He never
saw Shawn do any personal devotion. And
I I will quote him now. Never, Mike.
Never.
There's another witness who says that
Shawn was third one here, well known for
ridiculous exaggerations and he made
light of it. He would use funds against
their designated purposes, which is
actually what led to this uh this person
quitting. Um, and
when it came to the fake prophecy thing,
he says regarding one of the testimonies
of the other guys because we I shared
some of the stuff between the guys and
he says, "I know his experience was real
even though he's never met the guy." He
goes, "Because I saw the same thing in
my own experience." And there's more,
guys. Now, any one of these individual
things you might not you might not grab.
Mike, you have you're not going to tell
us the names of these guys? No, I would
like you to leave them alone. Um, you
guys can, those who want to defend Sean
can come at me and leave these guys
alone. How's that sound? Um, they don't
need to be brought out. I know who they
are. I've confirmed them. I've confirmed
their stories of multiple sources. And
I'm going to share more stuff with you
very shortly that will make it even
stronger. You'll see. But the thing is,
we are as Christians supposed to take
the testimony of multiple witnesses as
having weight. We have got a hundred
witnesses about Shawn. Whether it's from
the video footage that we've got, the
evidence, the behind-the-scenes stuff
I'm about to share with you for
relatively soon here about the
charismatic leaders, how they knew that
this stuff was real and they believed it
and which is why Chris Valatin behind
the scenes was like, "Sean can't come to
any of our events, even though Bill went
publicly and endorsed the man
disgustingly, even though TBN continued
to have his show up until it was so
public that they just quietly removed it
and didn't say anything.
We're going to we're going to share all
that stuff with you guys. It's important
that we understand. For you guys, it's
only been seconds, but for me, it has
been a couple hours. I just finished
interviewing with um another couple who
behind the scenes has been mistreated by
a ministry. This is not about today's
video, though. That's something else. So
the bottom line is from the stuff you
just saw. Um when I say Bethl knew, what
we mean is that Bethl had the awareness
of these accusations of the gross stuff
that I just talked about in detail about
the fake prophecy stuff. Um they had
information that gave them the knowledge
of these things, the ability to
reasonably know. Like I don't know if
they're going to be like, "Well, we
didn't know. We weren't really
convinced." And you can say this all day
long, but the the information was there.
You should have been convinced. And they
didn't do the right thing. So, it's not
just that they thought, well, maybe
sometimes he has, you know, cheated a
little in the prophetic. Um, which that
alone would have been actionable
evidence, but it was worse.
So, one of my witnesses,
he went to several charismatic leaders
years ago, and he did this so that by
early 2020, a bunch of them knew about
Shawn BS. And they knew about his
dis disgusting, gross, perverted,
doineering, sexually harassing
behaviors. And they went to, let me give
some specifics. Uh, they went to
Patricia King. Patricia King, who behind
the scenes was very supportive and very
much like, "I want to help you. I want
to help this situation. You know, I
care." Um, she recorded this guy's full
story. Like, there's an audio recording
of his entire telling of of his whole
story. Actually, it's three different
recordings. And she recorded this so
that she could send it on to Chayon and
send it on to Chris Valatin. And so,
everybody at this point, it was like
everybody was knowing about this stuff.
In fact, let me put their pictures up
for you as well. Chris Valatin, he knew,
okay, with with with my witness, with
his approval, she sent the information
on to Chris Valatin. He listened to the
recording. He was sent it. And the other
major charismatic leader was Cha Shay
Chay or Shayon Shay Chay, I think it's
Chay, I don't know. Anyways, it was this
guy who's running for governor of
California right now as we speak. And
these guys all knew. They knew about
Sean's depravity and they knew about the
evidence that he had um faked prophecies
and taken advantage of people. These are
people who had helped him, who had
platformed him or otherwise assisted
Shawn to get to where he was. And they
knew they heard the recording. They knew
about multiple victims, not just the
only one that I'm talking about who was
recorded. So Chris Valatin also told
Danny Silk, and we have evidence of this
in a text message. So, at this point,
Chris Valatin starts having a
conversation, a correspondence with one
of my witnesses, one of the victims, uh,
guys who w, you know, he's not forever a
victim, but who was victimized by Shawn.
Um,
that text conversation I'm going to show
with you now, I'm going to share with
you now. I'm going to put on screen and
you're going to see this took place
starting in April of 2020, but going all
the way until uh, gosh, is it sometime
late 2021 or something like that? We'll
we'll I'll show you the dates when we
when we get there. But here's the
conversation and we're going to walk
through it step by step so you guys can
understand that even though Bethl more
recently implied that they weren't sure
that it was all true, there were
allegations and duh, um Chris implied on
on Instagram recently that it was like
uncertain as to whether it was true. You
will see through these text messages
that that was not his posture in
private. In private, he knew it was
true. In public, they were doing damage
control and cover up culture. So here my
source says, "Hey Chris, I hope you're
doing well. Are there any updates with
the situation about Shawn? I believe
you've received the audio recording of
my experience, but I'm wondering what is
next again." Patricia King recorded it.
I sent it to Jayon. Jayon was like,
"Send it over to Chris." Um, I believe
you received it. Yeah. What's next? If
you prefer to chat briefly on the phone,
let me know. Thank you. So few hours
later, Chris gets back and says, "April
17th, 2020. I've been aware of the
situation for a while. Thank you for
caring.
The next day, he says, "We start an
investigation into Shawn's ministry.
I'll get back to you in a couple months
as we find the truth and bring
wholeness. Thanks for reaching out to
us." The implication now is Chris has
the ball. Right? This this this guy went
to uh Patricia King, who went to Chayon,
who went to Chris Valatin, and now the
heavy hitters are getting involved,
right? These are like people who can
make a difference cuz if this guy just
comes out against Sean, he'll just get
slandered and that'll be the end of the
story, right? which is what happened
before to Justin Smmedley who came out
against Shawn, rightly so, and was
attacked by Paul Kaine and ended up
having weird things happen there. Um,
so, okay, heavy hitters are involved.
Something good's going to happen.
They're obviously taking the ball. Bethl
sees themselves as having a place in
this investigation. I mean, they're
doing an investigation. Certainly, they
won't later on say, "We have no
authority over Shawn. We have we have no
place in this." Right? They wouldn't say
that later, would they? Okay. So, some
time goes by, June 18th now. Hey, Chris,
it's been a couple months and wondering
if there is an update. It would help my
heart to know what's going on. Thanks.
It's kind of weird that this person was
not they weren't the victim. They
weren't being Nobody's corresponding
with them. No one's staying in touch
with them to tell them about the
meetings they're having, about the
confrontation supposedly they had with
Shawn. Uh, so he has to reach out a
couple months later. Then Chris
responds, "We have met with Shawn on
three occasions now. Last Friday, I flew
down to meet with him for a few hours. I
think we're moving forward, but it's
really slow. We've had some very hard
conversations, as I'm sure you can
imagine. I would like to give Danny your
contact info if that's okay. He would
like to reach out to you and see how we
can help bring some closure to your
situation with Shawn." What they're
trying to do right now, I think, is
broker uh forgiveness and have Shawn go,
"I'm sorry for what I did. How can I
make it right?" and for this person to
go, "Thank you for acknowledging it. I I
forgive you. Here's what I'm asking."
Um, that wasn't going to happen because
Sean was denying. He was denying that he
had done these this sexual harassment
stuff. Um,
supposedly it's hypo allegedly
hypothetically true that Shawn told
somebody
that um his lawyer told him he has to
lie about it because of the legal
ramifications of if it came out and so
he has to take it to his grave.
allegedly, supposedly, hypothetically,
possibly in some plausible world. And so
it doesn't happen, right? The next text
message is from December. So that that
much time goes by without resolution.
It's December of 2020. Chris, when are
you going to intervene? Shawn BS has
gone 2 years without having to answer
for what he did to me. And I keep being
passed on like a nuisance. When will he
have to answer for the damage he caused
to me? And and guys, again, there's over
12 that we're aware of that we could say
uh received similar type treatment from
Shawn. And um and
it just even there's stuff I I know that
I can't even tell you guys. Um
I've been promised a meeting with Shawn,
he says, where he would clean up his
mess, and yet I'm still waiting and now
being told Shawn won't give me an
adequate apology. Could you imagine if
what was done to me had happened to one
of your sons or grandsons? how pissed
you would be. But yet, restitution
hasn't been made, and I'm still pushed
to the side like a nuisance. I'm trying
to do everything biblically, but growing
frustrated. Can you please help? I'm
tired of being put off and treated like
a nuisance. Does anyone really have my
best interest at heart? Sean is doing
his thing and not having to answer for
what he did to me. Now, this is the this
is exactly the kind of thing a a number
of other people I've talked to have gone
through because what happens is they go
to leaders. Hey, this person mistreated
me. this person did this this this um
their ministry's got major problems
there's financial this there's personal
abuse type things they're gone and
there's all this stuff right the leader
who they go to ex exudes compassion they
love bomb them they're like I care I'll
pray for you oh yes I want to I want to
be in your corner and have your back but
whenever it comes time to pull the
trigger and do something public they're
left on their own and that's exactly
what's going to happen here as you'll
see as we read on so the next part of
the conversation
Chris Valatin responds, "You're going to
have to understand that I have no
authority over Shawn."
Wait, what?
What?
Patricia King, Chayon, they brought it
to you for some reason, right, Chris?
You then started an investigation,
right? You have no no authority over
Sean. I don't know what authority you
think you have to have to hold someone
accountable who you've brought into your
network and you've put on stage and
you've introduced as your most trusted
friend. At least Bethl has collectively
cuz Bill Johnson, he speaks for you,
too. Um,
you you have a place to do this. But now
he has no authority. So, I have no
authority over Sean. He doesn't work for
me. He doesn't belong to my
organization. And I flew down to meet
him and spent the entire day there and
flew back. I asked him to clean up his
mess. And he's evidently decided not to.
We've decided to not have him minister
in our network anymore and made it very
clear that until he repents, you can't
have any influence in anything that we
do. if he worked for me or was licensed
through our organization or even had a
deeper connection to us. Deeper
connection. We'll talk more about the
deep connection in a minute. Remember,
these are the guys that made Shawn the
household name in the Charismatics, you
know, in that in that stream.
Deeper connection.
All you have to do is tweet. Just tweet
out publicly, Sean Bulls is a fraud and
he is a sexual deviant and everybody
needs to be warned about him. You
wouldn't have to say anything else and
it would have worked.
Anyway, he says, "If you worked for me
or was licensed through our our
organization or even had a deeper
connection to us, I would certainly be
able to do more, if you feel you need to
sue him, then maybe that's what you
should do." Again, I'm not telling you
to do that for legal clarity reasons,
maybe. I don't know. And I'm just
telling you that if you want to take
this further, then I would recommend
that you do something that light a fire
under him. Remember that phrase,
lighting a fire under him. I'm very
sorry for your pain. I totally
understand how you feel. It's just that
we have no authority in his life. They
have no ability to control Shawn
whatsoever.
You're going to find out a lot more uh
soon enough. But this is the bail point.
The bail point is ah he's not going to
listen to us. Well, privately we'll
confront will work, but we're not going
to publicly do anything. Then Chris, um
it appears as though he was sending the
me, you know, I said for legal reasons,
right? So, it appears as though he took
the message he just sent over to my
witness and he sent it to somebody,
meant to send it to somebody else. So,
he copied it and he accidentally pasted
it back into the same thread. So, he
says, "This was my response." And then
he has the exact same statement again.
Uh, but there's more.
The response to this came from my
witness who says, "Chris, I do
understand that you have no authority
over Shawn and his ministry. I do.
However, that doesn't wash you or
Bethl's hands of Shawn. And I'm like,
yeah, go guy. I won't use any names
here, but uh this is so good what he's
about to say. I wouldn't know of Shawn's
ministry or know Shawn personally if it
wasn't for Shawn speaking at Bethl. I
resigned my job at Bethl and moved to LA
thinking Shawn was trustworthy and the
real deal because of his influence at
Bethl. Or maybe because Bill said, "Our
most trusted friend, one of our most
trusted friends."
Maybe because Teresa Debon introduced
him as like one of the greatest
prophetic voices on the planet.
He says, "I trusted that he that the
leadership at Bethl wouldn't allow Shawn
to speak if he wasn't trustworthy. Shawn
wouldn't have one-third of his following
if Bethl had not given him a platform. I
appreciate you and Bethl taking a stand
and not allowing Shawn to have influence
in your network. What about people that
don't hold leadership positions in your
network?" Good question.
the normal people that follow Shawn
because they were introduced to him by
Bethl's wide reach and influence and
continue to do so because they are
aren't aware of what Shawn has done.
Will there be a statement from Bethl?
Maybe this would light a fire under
Shawn. Wouldn't that have been amazing?
If I don't know 2017,
2015, 16 there had been a public
statement. I I bet you that would have
saved a lot of people a lot of pain and
suffering.
Will there be a statement from Bethl?
Maybe this would light a fire under
Shawn. Chris, if you don't mind lighting
fires, light one yourself. I know Bethl
has been in talks with TBN about having
their own channel. Maybe this has
happened already. Um, but what about
Matt and Lorie Crouch, the TBN people? I
highly doubt they would continue to give
Shawn influence if they were aware of
Bethl's change in relationship with him.
Maybe this would light a fire under
Shawn. I'm not so sure if that's
entirely true. Uh, he had a a presence.
He had a show on TBN up until it was
finally, very loudly, very publicly
shouted and all of a sudden they
disappeared it. Right. Why does Bethl's
online store still offer Shawn's
resources if Shawn can't have influence?
Good question, Chris. I think these are
valid questions. If you understand how I
feel, you'll understand where I'm They
probably think you said coming from or
something like that there. So then
January 9th, 2021, he says, "I'd
appreciate a response to my three
questions."
See, because Chris didn't respond to
him. On the 18th, he said, "I have no
authority over Shawn." Then on December
29th, the reply is, "Hey, here's some
questions I have for you. I don't think
this absolves you guys. You should take
action." Then January 9th, finally,
there's another message from the the the
witness saying, "I'd appreciate a
response to my three questions, Chris.
This is now 2021. I don't want to go
outside the BETHL stream because I know
it will cause damage to Bethl." Now,
that is the thing that Bethl cares
about. out there like we do not want
that. I've spoken to a few sources that
are ready to run with the info if Bethl
doesn't do the right thing and warn the
body of Christ. And I know it will
appear like my situation and the
fraudulent words of knowledge are being
covered up by Bethl. Is it it does
appear that way? It does now. It didn't
have to. It does now.
I'm trying to do the right thing. In
regards to question number one, I don't
expect you all to necessarily be
specific in your statement, but at least
warn the body of Christ about Shawn. I
look forward to your response. This is a
perfectly modest request and he's saying
like if you don't do it, it may come out
without you. Okay. And um they still
didn't still didn't do it. Here's the
response from Chris. At this point, we
don't intend to make a public statement
about Shawn. As you pointed out, a
public statement wouldn't just hurt
Shawn, but the entire prophetic ministry
worldwide.
It was actually his statement that it
would hurt Bethl, as in hurt their
reputation because of what it would look
like to people. and it will and it's
going to do that right now. Um, as it as
it has since it came out, since it all
started coming out. It's just I'm making
it uh more loud. Um,
but Chris's response is that it would
hurt the entire prophetic ministry
worldwide. That exposing a fake sexual
harassing, deviant fake prophet, that
that would hurt God's ministry of
prophetic work around the world. Really?
really
delusions of grandeur here or something
something weird's going on because that
is that is nuts. You know what it will
do to the prophetic ministry to expose
the frauds? It will purify it. You know
what God did to the prophetic ministry
in the time of Jeremiah? He sent
Jeremiah out there and he was he was
like confront these fake prophets who
prophesied dreams that I didn't give
them who prophesied the desires of their
own hearts as though they're coming from
me. And he sent Jeremiah to confront
him. Could you imagine like whose side
would Chris have been on? Would he be
like, "Well, Jeremiah, I don't know if
you should do this. you're going to hurt
the prophetic ministry worldwide.
I don't know.
I noticed that Shawn doesn't do words of
knowledge anymore. Now, the excuses
start to come. We're going to walk
through this in detail. I noticed he
claims Shawn doesn't do words of
knowledge anymore. That was not true. I
also think that he lost his house. At
least that's what I heard. Uh he did
downsize. That was the phrase Shawn
used. He downsized. It seems I don't
know if it's true, but it seems like it.
I have no relationship with him anymore
and I don't want one. I also heard that
he has increased his accountability
going forward. Remember he says that
because I think this is like this is
like gobbledegoo corporate speak or
something. Um supposedly increased his
accountability. I understand that he
hasn't cleaned up his mess, but it looks
like he's changed his prophetic
ministry. He's changed.
This is damage control. Now what Shawn
did is Shawn stopped giving these words
of knowledge because everybody knew
about it. Because every time he did it,
they would go on Facebook to prove what
he was doing was fake. And it was like
the gig is up, you know, as soon as you
know how the magician does the trick,
he's like, I probably shouldn't keep
doing that trick. They all know how I'm
doing it. They're like watching the
wrong hand and they see the thing I did.
So yeah, he stopped doing that in
public, but he still gives vague
prophetic words constantly. He still
gives private prophetic words as I'll
share evidence of that. So he's still
manipulating people with prophecy all
the time. He goes on and says, "We no
longer have a contract with TBN. I
haven't seen Matt Crouch in over a year,
but I'm not going to take the role of
going from ministry to ministry and
telling them that Shawn was giving bad
prophetic words. Oh, just just tweet it
one time, Chris. That's all it takes. I
don't have time to do that. I have no
desire to call around every time I see
Shawn on a new platform. Here's the
thing. That's not what the witness asked
him to do. What he asked him to do was
to make a public statement because then
it would just go wildfire. It would take
care of itself. If Bethl made a public
statement that was intended to be
public, it wasn't just to staff and it
wasn't just to Bethl alumni and it
wasn't just to like some small. It was
rather here's Bethl as a as a church
that has worldwide impact that has
lifted up this guy for the world to be a
prophet. Here's us saying we're sorry.
We have found out that he has a
fraudulent ministry and everyone who's
had a word from him, you need to you
need to test it again. He's also
disqualified because of some things that
he's done wrongly to employees of his.
um you could have just even that much
would have made a huge difference and
then they would not have come to me.
These witnesses would not have come to
me saying Mike please go ahead and tell
our story. They would not have come and
it would have been a better like I would
have preferred it too. That would have
been much better. Just just like I
reached out to Sean before I made this
video and I mean like months and months
ago like I think February of last year I
reached out like a year ago almost
saying hey it's better if you just come
forward. Come and defend yourself if
these things aren't true. You're saying
they're not true. Um, and then later I
reached out again and said, "It's better
that you just go forward and tell the
truth. I'd rather you do that than me
make a video." That the closer you can
get the exposure to the actual people
doing it, the more health that is to the
body, the more integrity that restores
into those ministries. But when it comes
from as far out as me, that is not going
to be it's just going to look bad for
you guys. And because it should. Uh,
it's just how it is.
So, he says, "I haven't seen Matt
Crouch. I'm not going to go door to door
and all this stuff." Then he says uh
towards the bottom here, I don't have
time to do that. I have no desire to
call around every time I see Shawn on a
new platform. I've told many leaders in
our network about Shawn's dishonest
prophetic ministry. And then he says,
most of them have canceled him.
So he was obviously convinced that Shawn
was guilty, right? Like that that seems
very clear. Sean's definitely guilty cuz
you wouldn't you wouldn't warn people
about a guy who's not guilty. We also
know that Chayon pushed it to you
because he thought you were the right
guy for the job. or at least that that's
what the testimony I've heard suggests.
Um, we also know that Shawn's book
shows the kind of relationship you guys
had. Allow me to now read from Shawn's
book.
Put me back on the screen here. Shawn
BS's book. Here's Randy Clark's
endorsement. I not only want to
recommend the book, I want to recommend
the author. Shawn has developed into a
very healthy prophetic minister and some
very powerful and accurate words that
have greatly encouraged many.
Shouldn't Randy Clark say something
publicly about Shawn if after that
endorsement? What about James Gaul who I
would I've dubbed him the newspaper
prophet because I believe he was getting
prophecies from newspaper speculation.
He was reading the papers and
speculating and the stuff he got right
and wrong looked like it came from the
newspaper or from news reporting.
Anyways, James Gaul, another leader in
the movement says, "I've personally
known Shawn BS and observed his ministry
journey for well over 20 years. The book
you hold in your hands is the fruit of
joining the generations.
With years under his belt, a giftedness
that is undeniable, and a lifestyle that
exalts Christ Jesus, it is my honor to
commend to you the ministry and writings
of Shawn BS." There's others. C. Peter
Wagner endorses this. Bobby Connor
endorses this. Georgian Banov endorses
this. Eric Johnson, Bill Johnson's son.
I'll read what he wrote. It is not often
that we get to see a prophetic gift
mature in front of our eyes. I'm so
thankful for Shawn Bulls and his
approach to life and the nature of God.
The maturing, by the way, is in 2013,
Facebook's become searchable and all of
a sudden Shawn's able to prophesy way
way more accurately about people's
lives, words of knowledge. Um, that's
the maturing that I think he's referring
to. I'm so thankful for Shawn Bulls,
Eric Johnson says, and his approach to
life and the nature of God. Our people
here at Bethl Church reading have been
deeply impacted over the years by what
Shawn carries. Oh man, if that hasn't
changed meaning since he wrote it,
they've been deeply impacted. That's
true. Over the years by what Shawn
carries, whatever that is. Every time he
visits our church, we experience
promotion and increase. Translating God,
that's the name of the book. Translating
God is a must-read for anyone interested
in learning how God sees people and how
he interacts and engages with us. It
will take you to another level. They're
always selling. The selling point is
always next level of spiritual stuff.
We've got endorsements from Mickey
Robinson, Johnny Enlo, Lance Wallnau,
Sean Fo,
Fatine, I cannot pronounce that person's
name. to Jonathan Welton, Senu McIll,
Bishop Joseph Garlington, and also Benny
Johnson, Bill Johnson's wife, who wrote
the following. Shawn, as a young boy and
now as an adult, has stewarded the
prophetic in a natural way that has been
beautiful to watch.
Really,
I don't think that's true. And there's
other endorsers, too. Then on the back
of his book, Sean talks about, and you
can see it, you can see it here. If
you're those of you who really want to
pause and zoom in, you can read it. I'll
read it to you. He thanks Chayon here.
I'll read a couple of them.
Here's
several. I want to thank Mike Bickl and
everyone involved in my prophetic
development during my time in Kansas
City.
Mike Bickl exposed as a guy who would
use prophecy to abuse people and women
in particular. I want to thank Rick
Joiner and Morning Star Ministries for
being pioneers and for receiving me as
an extended family member. Rick, David
Yarns, and the rest of the Morning Star
friends. I'm I'm grateful. I want to
thank Heidi and Roland Baker for
modeling what hearing God's voice can do
to transform the poor of the earth. You
have personally grounded me in the love
that this book speaks of just by example
and the time we spent together. I want
to thank Chay and Suan and Hrock and Him
for being so good for my growth and
heart. Thanks for the relationship and
all the opportunities to grow and give
away who I am. I love being part of the
family. Finally, I want to thank Bill
and Benny Johnson and the Johnson
family, Chris and Kathy Valatin, Danny
and Sher Silk for the and the rest of my
Bethl family.
You give me such great joy to be part of
your family. There are too many of you
to name, so I'm sticking with the moms
and dads. Thank you for being the place
of love and faith and for giving grace
for this new prophetic season to emerge.
Right? That's his launching pad was in
Bethl. Later turns into we have no
authority over Sean. It's not my job to
go around and tell people about him and
warn him about him. These endorsements
mean you have to publicly because you
publicly put him on stage. You launched
him. You you got to be the guy the guys
who try to help shut him down for the
sake of the benefit of the body of
Christ. Do you love your people is the
question or do you love your movement?
Now, let's talk about some of the
justifications that are in this
um response, this uh text message from
Chris. He says Shawn doesn't do words of
knowledge anymore. Uh that is actually
not true. Uh there's a clip from Sean's
uh YouTube channel, November 8th, 2024,
that shows that pro the prophetic and
words um and operating in words were
still core to his ministry, right? His
prophetic stuff is is ongoing. It's just
shifted in the same sense that you you
go underground. You know, Benny Hinn
tries to only ask people to give $10,000
when there's not a camera around now.
Like he tends to do that um because he
said he would never do it again. So, you
can still catch him on camera doing it
sometimes, but he'll just he'll just be
more careful about how he does it.
That's what cover-up culture does. So,
here's Sean talking about his ongoing
prophetic ministry and how there's a lot
here. He's going to defend himself. He's
going to deny the accusations. He's
going to show that he still prophesies
and we'll show that these excuses that
Chris gave were we're were not we're not
good. To set this video up, you just
need to know that Shawn had prophesied
Trump would have two terms. Uh obviously
Trump has had two terms now and that's
why he came out made this video. He's
like vindicated. I'm we're vindicated.
Um and he still says he kind of messed
up, but they're kind of vindicated and
they're kind of playing games with it.
But that's the backdrop is there was
this time he prophesied Trump would win
in 2020. He said Trump would have two
terms. He would be in office in 2020,
right? From 2020 through 2024,
2021 to 24, he's going to be in office.
And that's not what happened. So he
later apologized for it and he came
under a lot of fire. Around the same
time these allegations started coming
out more publicly faking prophecy and
and then behind the scenes the sexual
allegations were also coming out. Sean's
having talks with Danny and Chris and
he's denying everything. Okay, that's
the context of this conversation. Now
listen
>> and I prophesied on a national format
and then Fox News called me and said,
"Is Trump going to win it again?" And I
said, "Yes, absolutely. I see a second
term." And so the problem was the second
term didn't come right away and the
warfare that came against prophetic
people and Christians in that moment
both secularly in society and then also
in the church in movements whole
movements who didn't know what to do and
how to stand.
>> So he he generally you'll see this couch
uh this issue as like oh it's not really
about me it's about the warfare against
everybody. It's kind of like when Chris
was told, "This is going to make Bethl
look bad." And he goes, "You're right.
It would be bad for the prophetic
movement worldwide, right?" Like, it's
it's that kind of thing.
>> With that, I had I mean, I've been
around for 30 years in, you know, church
cultures. I've been kind of a staple to
a lot of charismatic churches and
charismatic movements and pastors were
mad and then they start to accuse us of
researching stuff on Facebook. And I
mean, this whole attack came where it's
like, you've done all these things that
are wrong and you did and all of it was
false. And I had to say, I don't agree.
And then during that time, I was also
pivoting to to go after social
commentary, media, and production.
>> Chris presented the pivot as he's no
longer doing words of knowledge. He's
moving away from prophecy. He's
reshaping his ministry. He has increased
accountability. I know he hasn't cleaned
up his mess, but there was a bunch of
things to kind of like soften and it was
all damage control. And the way he talks
about it now, he goes, I was pivoting I
was just pivoting my ministry in a way
that was it was that all the accusations
were false. All of the accusations were
false. also digging up words of
knowledge and then he just vaguely says
all of the accusations which implies
these other ones which were uh I believe
true
>> and it was such a perfect storm for
prophetic people. Some prophetic people
got annihilated by the New York Times
and Washington Post and all these
>> these poor prophetic people. They're not
they weren't prophetic. That's exactly
it. They're not prophetic at all. And
they got exposed when they falsely
predicted something that didn't happen
and it was a global event
>> different places and all these rumors
came. It was really easy to believe the
worst about people. For 2 years, I
didn't prophesy anything publicly. That
was
>> publicly
I'm I'm going to play this back again.
He's going to say for two years he
didn't prophesy anything publicly.
He stopped for a season for two years
again not permanently um because of the
heat of the moment and while denying the
accusations. This is called damage
control. This is called cover up
culture. This is called dodging
accountability. And Chris seemed okay
with that.
>> Washington Post and all these different
places and all these rumors came and it
was really easy to believe the worst
about people for two years. I didn't
prophesy anything publicly that was a
big word for politics or a big word for
the corporate church. I stayed real
quiet. I just I was like I want to just
really see God. And part of it was
because I had warfare of some movements
I love who accused me of things that
weren't true. And I wanted to rebalance.
I was like, there's a a demand put on
the prophetic gifts and some of the
offices of prophet like mine that was
wrong. It was a wrong demand that was
and I wanted to realign myself to God
and then be able to realign myself after
that to speak to churches and movements
in the right way. And
>> I want to throw up when I hear him say
stuff like this. It's ridiculous. It was
the wrong demand that was placed. Dude,
you created the super profit expectation
and then you failed and then you're
like, you guys expected too much of me.
Um, what you want is no accountability.
You want to be the super prophet. And
this is at least how it all looks to me.
This is at my best understanding.
Everything I share with you is my best
understanding of things that I uh I
think are
they need to be known. So yeah, he goes
on. He he couches it like a spiritual
warfare and bad expectations. And he's
got two cheerleaders here. these guys
who I hope that God opens their eyes and
they realize that their sincere love for
God is being manipulated by guys like
Shawn BS
>> and during that time I stayed really
connected to people like Bill Johnson
still connected to him stay really
really connected to uh TBN and our TBN
family Matt and Lorie Crouch stayed
really connected to of course Bob and
Lauren Hass who you guys know really
well and and I I realigned and I
reshaped with
>> Okay, Bob and Lauren Hass. So Bob Hass
is on Sean's board. I think he's still
on the board. He was on the board when
my witness reached out and talked to
every board member he could, past and
present board members, and asked them to
hold Shawn accountable and be aware of
what was going on. And ultimately, Shawn
was not held accountable. And the
conversations went something along the
lines of, "Tell us what you know, what
names do you know, what names do you
know?" And they wouldn't give him
information. And uh it it ended up being
like, "What is really going on here?"
Um, so that that's how it was reported
to me and I entirely believe that's true
because I have things I can't tell you
about that I know. But um, but yeah, so
Sean Foy was on his board. He was made
aware of these things. Uh, now at some
point he's got off his board reportedly.
But this is weird. The timing is weird
because at one point he claims
basically there's filings, legal filings
that show Sean was on the board at a
point at which he had told someone he
wasn't. But then I think Sean has
deceived or misled people quite a bit
about a lot of things. So I'm not
surprised.
But Sean Foy told the witness, I I don't
know what you're I didn't know about
that stuff. I didn't I didn't know about
that. I was unaware of that. Yet Chris
Valadin's message was going to be I I
talked to the board members and I asked
them to pull him out and they don't want
to do it. I don't know why.
So both those things can't be true. What
is the truth? I don't I don't know. I
don't know. Was Chris posturing to make
himself look good so that he was off the
hook? this this person wasn't upset with
him. Um, or was it was it true? And
Chris is upset because he's like, "Why
don't you guys pull him out? You should
pull him out." I I don't know.
It's it's it's very difficult to know
because once the trust is damaged, all
you have is putting together the pieces
and trying to figure out what really
happened.
God, what the prophetic is supposed to
look like in my life after what we
experienced, which was a major attack,
the worst attack of my life against my
reputation. So, I do think that this was
a a huge coordinated Jezebel attack the
entire time. That was the worst I've
ever seen in history.
>> Now, when he says a huge coordinated
Jezebel attack, he means the attack
against him and also because of the
context of the clip, make sure you
understand this, also the attack against
all of the other prophetic people,
right? who were a lot of fake prophecies
stuff going on there. He says during
this time clearly said I stayed
connected close with Bill Johnson and
close with Matt and Lorie Crouch and
close with and he names some names Bob
Hassen and it is it is in fact in 2023
when Bill Johnson went and endorsed him
personally his character and his book
again even after knowing that a lot of
the stories that he read that he writes
about in here are things that would have
either not happened or or happened from
digging up people's data on the internet
and they're pretending like he had
prophecy. Here's another piece from his
book, by the way, that I thought was
pretty interesting where he says that
Paul Kaine is a p was a personal friend
of mine. He was a personal friend of
yours and a mentor to me because you're
walking in his footsteps,
his disgusting footsteps.
You're going to learn more about that
today as well. So, the things that Chris
said were simply not true and and simply
not good enough, right? Because Shawn
affected so many people. Take a look at
how many people he affected in his own
words.
>> My friends and family. I mean, I've
traveled all around the world. So, I've
been everywhere from all over Asia and
Thailand and um Cambodia and and
Indonesia and Korea and Singapore and
Malaysia and all those kinds of places,
China, but I've also been, you know,
throughout Africa, throughout South
America. You have to realize when I used
to be on the road, so if I traveled 70
times a year, I would have, you know,
seven to 20 prophetic words for
individuals, whether it's a leadership
team behind the scenes, whether it's
people ministry, plus I'd have two or
three governmental words or local words
or church words. So when you count those
up, it's hundreds of thousands of words
a year. I was giving. And now I don't
have all that, which is great. So I have
more consistent time where I just have
my relational network and I'm so praying
and continuing will give me words to
connect to and I don't strive for that
but I just I want to be deliberate
because I see what the prophetic does
calling us forward.
>> He isn't doing that's great. He says he
knows it's not great. He he liked it
better when he could do all he can be
more public but there's too much
accountability now, right? He's got to
like still lay low. Um, he does plan on
ramping back up, it seems, from the way
he talks about these things, but he's
still giving private words to people. I
still have my relational network. Now,
what kind of relational network does a
guy like Shawn Bulls have? Well, it will
probably include money, money, money,
donors, people with a lot of money. And
Sean has special words of knowledge for
them. I'm going to talk about a couple
who Sean gave a special word of
knowledge to special uh insight from the
Holy Spirit supposedly and then was
trying to get their money money and they
are helping us blow the whistle on not
only Sean but others in the movement too
that were doing the same thing to them.
So at least I that's how I interpret it.
You can interpret it yourself. I'll just
share with you what I know. What is the
rest of this? Let's see.
>> It calls us to action. It calls us to
calls us higher. So my friendship world,
I want to call them higher. Every year I
pray for my whole friendship circle that
I feel signed to pray for prophetically.
But at the same time, it gives me more
room now because now I'm in media. So
that's why we're releasing the prophetic
word or perspective with each show
because I feel like it helps people to
wrap their faith around something
prophetically. And sometimes they get
more specific words and sometimes they
get more generic words.
>> Yeah, he is a rambler, this guy. So
Sean is still h he still has prophecy as
a key part of his ministry. And if you
go to his YouTube channel, I did this
and you look at his videos, his best
performing videos um there there's some
outliers, but uh in general, his better
performing videos are going to be ones
where it says something about prophecy.
He has a prophetic word about this, a
prophetic word about this. And then the
ones where he's just bringing a teaching
or a lecture of some kind, the views
tend to be pretty low. They're not very
good.
So Sean is still engaging in a prophetic
ministry. He's still probably
fundraising through the use of his
supposed prophetic gift. And
the warning still needs to go out
because guys like this will lay low and
then they'll just do it again. I know
that sounds crazy, but that's exactly
what these guys have done in the past.
They just lay low and then they keep
going. They just lay a little bit lower
and they keep going. that Mike Bickl
right now, even after being exposed for
having what was it 17 victims, um is
just going to try to keep going. He's
kicking back up. His sister had a
special word of prophecy, God is
restoring him. And um Bob Jones, he
continued he after he perversely fake
prophesied to two women so that he could
I'm going to give the details here. Skip
it if you don't want to hear it. so that
he could get them to take their clothes
off and for them to receive a special
anointing from God, he had to place his
mouth upon where you think um their you
know their top and uh as a as a a
nursing
anointing. Anyway, he did this, right?
He was busted for it in the early 90s
and still in the 2000s, Bethl has him at
their church guiding people in trips to
heaven which were clearly fake. Clearly
fake.
The coverup culture is insane
and Sean is just laying low unless he
gets really publicly exposed and the
leaders won't stand for it because I
think only only then do you really get
the change the transformation.
But if you hold him accountable does
that mean they'll be held accountable
too. Um who knows how much is going on
there. Back to that text message
conversation. There's a lot more in here
that's very important for me to share
with you guys in 2021. Um, Chris
continues and says, "This is early 2020
21 at this point. Others have called me
and asked what I think and I told them
the truth about Shawn's antics." That is
actually pretty key because I did a
video with Elijah Stevens who Shawn lied
to, fake prophesied to. Elijah spent his
much of his life savings on it. It
damaged his marriage. It caused him
serious PTSD when he started hearing
whispers uh that seemed credible to him
that Shawn was actually fake and that
the prophetic word that he gave Elijah
based upon him knowing Elijah's like
name and family members names and all
this stuff that maybe that came from
Facebook when he started thinking that
that really might have been fake. It
freaked him out and he reached out to
Chris and he said, "Chris, tell me was
it real?" And Chris did not warn him,
right? He gave a vague kind of half
answer. He didn't actually tell him the
truth. Right here, he says, "Others have
called me and asked me what I think. I
told them the truth about Shawn's
antics. He actually didn't do that with
the one person I know who did call him
and ask him what he thought.
I didn't realize that Shawn's books were
still in our bookstore." He says, "I
will have them taken out of the store
and off our site. I did have a
conversation with him about 4 months ago
and told him that he wasn't to ask any
of our team to be on his podcast." This
creates distance. It might feel like
accountability to some, but ultimately
it just creates distance. And then Shawn
is able to eventually continue doing his
ministry at maybe a smaller level, but
he can still victimize people and do all
kinds of evil things. I told him that he
needs to clean up his mess before he has
a relationship with any of our people.
I've also told our entire team that they
are not to minister with Shawn or have
him in any of their ministries. I would
have thought Elijah was a team member.
We showed how he taught at some at some
of your school stuff, but you didn't
tell him. And even when he asked, he
wasn't told. And Dan Fairley, Dan
Fairley, pastor at Bethl, told Elijah he
didn't know about Shawn. He wasn't he
didn't really know what the truth was
about Shawn. But here, Chris says he
told the entire team. I mean, Dan
Fairley's there's top three guys at
Bethl or four guys, excuse me, at BETHL.
You got Bill, you got Chris, you got Dan
Danny Silk, and you have Dan Fairley.
Did Dan Fairley just lie?
That's what it looks like.
I've also had a conversation with Bethl
Music leadership and team and told them
about Shawn's situation. They've agreed
to ban him from their ministry. And then
he says, "I heard Shawn really isn't
getting invited anywhere." And Shawn has
not been doing much public speaking.
That's for sure. Um because he's
basically got leprosy. He's the leper.
If you you
use him for something, you're going to
have a bunch of people on your back.
Social media is going to be all over it.
And that's the real issue is we don't
want the mob. We don't want the social
media. Let us do our thing. Stop trying
to hold people accountable. But
is Chris convinced that Shawn is guilty?
That's the big question. The very, very
important question. Does Chris think
Shawn is guilty? Is he aware of enough
information that he believes Shawn is
guilty? Well, he bans him from
ministering in their church. He tells
Bethl Music, "Don't do anything with
them. He can't get involved until he
repents and cleans up his mess." Well, I
I I could pull him out of ministry, but
I have no authority over him. It's clear
that he believes that Shawn is guilty.
He's certainly treating him that way.
And speaking of Elijah Stevens,
after Shawn gave the word that led
Elijah down the path of spending most of
his retirement on something because he
believed God was calling him to do it,
um, and then Bethl not help dropping
just basically going like this with
Elijah afterwards. And I have a whole
giant video with evidence and emails and
texts and everything that Elijah pulled
together for us to share. So, I'll link
that below. But after that happened,
after this fake word came from the Bethl
stage to Elijah that messed up his life,
5 days later, Chris Valadin posted on
social media, this is in 2015, is that
long ago, Shawn BS has the most powerful
word of knowledge gift I have ever
experienced. I thank God for the gifts
he gives to his people.
Couldn't you have just posted on
Facebook, Chris, Shawn BS has been
faking his words of knowledge. I'm sorry
that I fed you to him. You could have
just said that, but you couldn't be
bothered. Couldn't be bothered. All
right, this is where Chris goes on. Um,
this stuff's all so important. It's This
is going to validate a lot of the claims
that I've been making, the the things
that I'm about to share with you now to
help bring in more witnesses and more
evidences. He says, um, I heard Sean's
not getting invited places. He goes on,
I think he's trying to survive by having
people on his podcast. Several people
have called me about being on his
podcast, and I've told them what I know.
Again, Chris is the fountain of truth,
apparently, except he wasn't to Elijah.
Uh, whenever I see someone on his
podcast that I know, I text them and let
them know what's going on. So, I'm not
doing nothing. I'm not saying he never
did any of those things, but it
certainly isn't the way it comes off.
Um, we also have talked to his board
individually and together. We've asked
them to pull him out of ministry at this
point. They don't want to do that, which
is which I think is a major mistake.
Again, my guy who talked to several
board members, um, one of them said, "I
didn't even know about this stuff." Um,
and he says he wasn't on the board. I
don't know if that's really true because
the the IRS violinally said he was.
That's Sean Foy. So, uh, this is weird
stuff, right? But you realize that
there's these people who could make a
difference who simply won't. And that's
what cover-up culture does. Nobody pulls
the trigger. They'll talk about it.
They'll complain about it. They'll
distance themselves, but they'll never
pull the trigger and warn the actual
victims, the future and potential and
current victims of the person. Those are
the people they won't warn. Chris went
out of his way, according to him, to
warn leaders, to warn the important
people, but not the normal people, not
Jubilee Dawn,
not Elijah Stevens,
not the thousands and thousands and
thousands of people that Shawn had given
words to according to him. So again,
he's talking about the board, Sean's
board. We've also talked to his board
individually and together. We meaning
what? Probably Bethl, right? Bethl's
talked to them. We've asked them to pull
him out of ministry.
At this point, they don't want to do
that, which I think is a major mistake.
But they have official authority to
remove him. I honestly don't understand
why they don't. Danny laid out all the
evidence, all the all the facts and
evidence. There was a bunch of facts and
evidence you had four years ago, f
excuse me, f over five years ago now
that you had over at least five and a
half years ago, cuz that's when you were
doing the confrontation. Minimally five
and a half, closer to six.
You had facts and evidence. You were
asking to be removed from ministry and
you talk to other leaders about it. Here
he goes on. He says, "I talked to Chay
an Ed Silvoso, John Arnot, and the
Bakers about Shawn. They've all canled
them from their conferences. Ed Silvoso
was doing a major event with Shawn in
California, and he canceled him." Okay,
but why didn't any of them warn? Cuz how
do you discern the difference between
people who were merely protecting
themselves and those who were protecting
their people? Well, you you ask, did
their actions result in the protection
of individuals or just ministries?
Then he says, "My take is that God is
going to deal with him. I wouldn't want
to be in his shoes."
Finally, February 1st, 2021,
the witness is like, "I guess that's
that's all that's going to happen,
right?" So, he says, "I trust you,
Chris, and I take you at your word. It's
almost been a month and the Bethl store
still offers Sean's books.
Chris says, "I'll check. I just got off
the phone with David Stein, who does all
the Bethl media stores. Evidently, I
forgot to tell him, so he'll be pulling
them down this week. Thanks for the
reminder. It's been a very busy season
with a thousand things to do every day.
I understand, Chris. I have much grace.
Thanks for letting me know."
Did Chris think he was guilty?
I'll come at one second. Did Chris think
he was guilty? Obviously, yes. You don't
ask a guy to be pulled out of ministry.
You don't talk to his board and request
for them to remove him. You don't ban
him from your events and tell all your
team supposedly about what he's done uh
unless you think he's guilty. And you
don't say you can't come back unless you
repent, unless you think he actually has
something to repent of.
But we will find a different story being
told to the public when Chris is
confronted on it later on. So, here's
their last conversation. My witness
reaches out to Chris and says, "Hey, uh,
Chris, I just saw this weird thing where
there was a trophy that Bethl had Bethl
on it and Bethl was giving him a trophy,
like one of the school of ministries or
something." And he was upset by this and
he was like, "I thought you told your
team about Shawn and yet someone's
giving him this trophy that says Bethl
on it and has Shawn Bulls on it about
like most prophetic." Um, and so he
reached out and then Chris goes, "This
is some kind of misunderstanding. this
is not a Bethl thing. This didn't happen
at a Bethl school. I don't know what
this is. Um, and so the guy goes, "Okay,
fine. I'm glad you cleared that up. I I
just I thought that it was it looked
really bad in the picture." So, I'm not
saying that the picture was real. I
don't I don't know what it was, right?
It was something Sean posted on
Instagram. Um, whether it was really
Bethl or not Bethl, who let's say it
wasn't. Here's then the response where
he says, "Thanks for clearing that up."
And then Chris tells him, "You need to
get some help and move on with your
life.
I don't know what's going on with you,
but it feels super unhealthy that you're
taking the taking on the role of
policing our movement and trying to warn
everyone about Shawn.
It's time for you to move on. Please
don't contact me anymore about Shawn.
I've given up trying to be his punisher.
I'm moving on. Do you want something Do
you want someone to try to hold him more
accountable than your do it yourself?
So eventually he contacts me
and uh I'm your huckleberry.
I'll help you. I'll help you hold him
accountable. Chris will help shout this
from the rooftop. Me, not just me, not
remotely, just me. Minor Profits is the
group that really helped blow the the
the thing like wide open because they
were people in the charismatic movement
who you could tell were reluctantly
sharing it out. But other people like
Matthew Hartkey going public, that
really helped as well. That made a big
difference. and I'm just going to
amplify what they've done. Um, and I al
also have a more witness testimony that
I get to share than they were able to
share. So, Chris knows he's guilty,
right? That's a reasonable conclusion.
He knows he's guilty. However, when this
stuff finally goes public, now we're
going to fast forward. We're going to
fast forward and look at some stuff on
Instagram. All right. So, when this
stuff finally goes public, let's go to
the Instagram.
We have this exchange. And this exchange
is where Chris Valatin starts
responding. In fact, it's a very rare
moment where he's actually responding
openly um on Instagram comments to some
stuff about Shawn BS. So, January 18th
approximately, this conversation takes
place in 2025. This is when it's just
gotten blown up and people know about
Shawn. They have seen some of the
screenshots of the text messages that I
just showed you. They saw at least some
of those that went public. I think that
maybe I'm bringing new ones, I think, uh
that people haven't seen yet.
So there's questions like, "Are those
real text messages? Is this real? Is
that a real witness? Is this true about
Shawn that you guys knew and you didn't
tell people? Like what's going on?" So
here, Spencer Dalton in all good
Christian love, and you can tell it's it
really is. He tries to ask Chris about
this. He says, "Chris, is there a reason
you're continuing to not address the
situation with Shawn BS?" Remember,
Bethl was silent even after it went
public. They were very, very slow to be
speaking to it. or the text messages
honestly and respectfully asking it
would do a world of good to help the
body of Christ process these extremely
concerning allegations instead of
leaving them to figure it out for
themselves without guidance or even
encouragement. Why remain silent when
you have such a large voice blessings to
you, brother? I agree. Just so you know,
Chris is the guy who knows how to do
prophecy well. He's the guy who believes
according to himself in prophetic
accountability and holding people
accountable and doing it properly and
creating the healthy the right
environment to create a healthy
prophetic, you know, experimentation.
This is what Chris is known for.
Anyways, he responds to Spencer Dalton
and says, "Always more to the story than
meets the eye." Wait, what? Didn't you
just say like you asked his board to
remove him and you and you you you
thought they should and it was a mistake
that they wouldn't. There's more
What? Well, of course, there's more to a
story, but what what is the more? So,
Spencer Dalton replies, "Yes, I'm sure
there is." Which is why we need men of
truth to bring clarity and light to the
situation. Just honestly asking
questions and trying to get my heart
around why no one is willing to publicly
address this because none of the leaders
did. And they all and they knew. Oh, I'm
going to show you that they knew. I have
more evidence of that. It seems like a
matter of great importance to the church
at large. Knowing what you know, do you
believe it's best for the body if this
remains unresolved? Publicly praying for
all involved.
All right. I think Spencer is coming at
this in a great way. He's clearly
looking optimistically for movement in
the right direction here. It's not just
condemnation. He's he's trying to ask
for help.
Chris responds to him and um here, let
me see if I can boost this a bit.
Chris responds. It says, "Wisdom is not
always played out in front of the crowd.
The crowd demands to know every detail,
but there are things that are not for
the crowd. This would be a lot easier if
you knew me. I believe you trust me."
That's a weird answer, dude.
Like either you guys put this on guy on
stage and promoted him and endorsed him,
right? Thoroughly
and he was fake and you should come out
and tell everybody or or not. And then
why did Bill go and endorse the guy just
recently on TBN?
What is going on? What do you mean
wisdom is not always played out in front
of the crowd? Right now folly is being
played out in front of the crowd. This
is weird. This is a really weird
response. So Spencer responds, "Man, I
love you, bro. But I just don't see the
body of Christ as the crowd. I agree so
much. And I don't see a sincere cry for
clarity and truth as demanding every
detail. Right. This is he's gaslighting
them when he says that they're de
demanding every detail.
I'm honestly at a loss for words. I
believe it's essential for the for
church leaders to earn the trust of the
church by transparency and raw honesty.
My generation is done with the two-tier
system of justice where public sin is
covered up privately
where ministry abuse from the stage is
dealt with in the back rooms.
I agree 100%. Listen, if Shambles fake
prophesied from a stage, then from as an
equally large stage or platform, it must
be called out. That's just the
appropriate response.
I don't know you, but I love you,
brother. And I urge you to please
consider for the sake of all those
who've been impacted, influenced,
harmed, and affected by Shawn. So by
Shawn to please speak on this in the
presence of every believer so that we as
the church may find healing and
restoration for the damage done. People
were harmed in public. Let the healing
be done in public. True that. True that.
Very, very true. All right. Chris
responds again. He says to Spencer, "Do
you know for a fact Shawn did this? And
this is the most egregious thing, Chris.
I can't believe I cannot believe you
said this.
There are only two options for what I'm
about to read. One, a bunch more data
came out that made you think Sean's
really innocent. Or two, you are you're
doing a bad thing."
I think it's number two.
My I'm going to give you conjecture,
guys. This is total conjecture. Maybe
it's wrong. I don't think it is. I think
that Bill Johnson was still wanting to
be in Sean's corner and Chris Valatin
tried to fall in line so that privately
he could chew him out all he wanted, but
publicly they couldn't say anything. And
so even now this public thing, he's
trying to spin. He's trying to balance
and get on the fence.
So he says, "Do you know for sure for a
fact that Sean did this? Are you 100%
sure he's guilty?" Actually, you only
have to be convinced beyond a reasonable
doubt. Have you seen the evidence? Well,
no, Chris, because you have the evidence
and you won't show it to people. You
have a packet of information you've
received. You've talked to witnesses.
You have a recording of one of his
victims. You You're the one withholding
the evidence. So, when you ask the
people, "Do you have the evidence that
you wouldn't let them see?" I I uh try
to petition Bethl, if you don't if you
want to say you're on the fence and you
don't know if he's guilty or not, just
release the packet of info you got back
in 2017 with all the list of words and
the things that were found on Facebook
cuz it was all right there. How about
you just release it if it's so uncertain
and so in the air? Just make it public.
Huh? Because all of his prophecies are
public.
No. So, have you seen the evidence? No.
No, Chris. He hasn't seen the evidence.
He hasn't seen the evidence because you
guys covered it up. Or are you listening
to people on social media? I mean,
Chris, you're on social media, just so
you know, right now. That's a That's
such a weird passive aggressive
statement to make. You're listening to
people on social media is a mixed bag.
There's plenty of bad. There's plenty of
good, but you can't just ignore people
because they're on social media. Where
does Shawn focus his ministry? On social
media. Where do the majority of people
who listen to Bethl listen to them on
social media. Where does Chris impact
the most people on a regular basis? On
social media. It's just so weird. As far
as I know, it's alleged
that's that's a lie.
I I I don't know. I I don't know what
else to call this except that is a
bold-faced lie from Chris Valatin in a
in a very important issue that is it
appears um
to try to do some kind of damage control
play some weird game with the body of
Christ. He says as far as I know it's
alleged and last I heard Shawn hasn't
admitted to anything. Actually Shawn has
denied it publicly
and maybe more facts have come out. I
haven't followed the situation for years
if he's guilty and refused to deal with
it with his sin in private. Yikes. It's
a terrible thing to fall into the hands
of the living God. So sad he used to be
my friend
if he's guilty. If he refused to deal
with his sin. What did Chris tell the
actual victim? One of the victims of
Shawn. He was like, "He won't he's not
going to clean up his mess. I'm sorry.
We were going to try to bring
restoration, you know, but we have no
authority over him. There's nothing else
we can do. Anybody who asks us, we tell
them the truth about Shawn. This guy
asked you, you lied.
How many other times has this happened?
He goes on and he says, "Thank you for
caring so deeply. I care too."
Somebody else says, "Exactly why so many
of us are looking to you to enlighten
us." Right? Because he's seen the
evidence. He he and he says it right
here. He goes, "I saw the evidence. I
spent days examining it. I talked to
Sean for hours." Well, wait. So, is it
as far as you know, it's alleged or is
it I saw the evidence? Is it have you
seen the evidence? Are you sure
convinced? Or is it uh I I saw the
evidence. I talked to Sean for hours. Or
is it I haven't followed the situation
for years. I don't really know for sure
what's going on with that stuff. Or is
it like we talked to his board and we
told them to remove him. You you guys
see what happens when people actually
come forward and share the things that
they know, the evidence that they
actually have and you find out that this
has been a house of cards for a long
time.
For a long time. Well, the conversation
does continue on on Instagram and I
think Chris is he should stop using
social media to be honest. He should
just have pre-planned posts and not just
share what he thinks because Chris just
says stuff. I'm glad he did though. Um
Spencer says um
replying to someone else. Exactly. True
shepherds don't remain silent while
wolves are in the midst of the flock.
That's right. So if you have a coverup
culture and you have leaders who refuse
to call things out like that dad who
wouldn't tell his daughter about Shawn
whereas while his family have been being
tugof-war because of a fake prophecy
that Shawn gave them. When you have
things like this you have to wonder is
there a lack of protective capacity that
you have towards the people that trust
you and sadly it is it is the case. Then
there's one more response here from
somebody else who says, "Hey, Chris."
Basically, he says, "Chris, if it's the
case that you examine the evidence and
believe now that these are just
allegations and nothing more, as seems
to be from this comment thread, then why
not just say so in so many words? Why
not make a clear statement? There are
screenshots of text messages with your
name on them. If they aren't authentic,
just say so. Just be like, "Hey, these
screenshots that Mike Winger is just
showing right now, hey, these are
they're not real. Those aren't real
screenshots. Just tell us that if that's
the case." Bethl gave Shawn BS an
international platform and Bethl insists
on being a ministry with international
reach. A reach that includes Shawn if he
was or is a fraud. This is just as much
Bethl's responsibility. Don't
unnecessarily leave people in confusion.
The only response I have left from that
from Chris responding to what Spencer
said earlier about true shepherds. He
says, "So Shawn is a wolf and I'm not a
true shepherd." Okay, case closed.
He's just being a punk now. He's just
being a punk.
Chris, you are exposed to now. I am
shocked.
I'm shocked. As far as you know, it's
alleged. That is a lie.
If something has come out, where where's
that evidence that oh no, it turns out
it wasn't true? Turns out that all these
victims and all these witnesses that we
have access to that we know about turns
it wasn't true. Well, then why did why
don't you redeem the guy and come out
publicly and tell him?
You might think maybe more evidence did
come out, Mike. I I think that's
plausible. You know, Chris may, let's be
gracious to him. He may have just found
more evidence um after his initial
interventions and after his final
statements to the witness telling him,
"Leave me alone. Don't talk to me
anymore about Shawn." Um that between
then and now, he came out with saw more
evidence and changed his mind and was
like, "Wow, I'm really on the fence now.
Here's why I don't think that's true.
Because he says in his conversation on
uh Instagram, let me put it back on your
screen. You guys may have already picked
up on this. I think it's very important.
Earlier this year in January, he says,
"As far as I know, it's alleged and last
I heard, Shawn hasn't admitted to
anything. Maybe more facts have come
out. I haven't followed the situation
for years." Later, he goes on to say
that he saw the evidence years ago and
he talked with Shawn and examined
everything. So, this means that the only
way in which he could believe that it's
alleged is if he believed it was alleged
years ago when he was telling the actual
victim, "Oh, I'm cutting Sean off and no
one can work with him and our whole team
knows about it and I'm answering anybody
who asks me and I'm warning people and
telling people don't go on his podcast
and I'm doing all this stuff." But
publicly, that's not what he did. In
other words, I don't trust a word of
what he said to that person privately
because the if the public actions don't
match the private conversations, they're
meaningless. This is the key of coverup
culture. If the public actions do not
match the private asurances,
then then those assurances don't mean
anything. They don't mean anything.
Okay, I forgot I still had one more
screenshot from that uh Instagram back
and forth. And I don't know of any other
back and forth Chris Valatin has had on
this topic. It was actually a real gem
that we found this one because it
reveals the truth. reveals the truth
about the public versus private
conversations. But here another person
responds, Eric Austin says uh to Chris,
"Oh man, I've loved you for years and
still do, but that that response is
really disappointing and troubling with
all the faulty leadership issues that
are coming to light in the body in
general right now." I mean, there was no
problem with a public statement being
made over Jason Westerfield's error. So
why this? Um Jason Westerfield famously
is the one person Bill Johnson actually
rebuked from the pulpit.
Um, and then people think, "Oh, that's
proof that Bill's willing to do that." I
don't think he had a choice. I think he
had to because of what Westerville was
doing in their church to their own
people. Bill had to speak to it because,
uh, he was it was it was demonic. It was
demonic. U, it was really sick. Um, but
that's the one time, the only time that
I'm aware of or anybody I've talked to
is aware of where Bill actually called
somebody out. But here's the thing.
Their movement has been full of people
they should have called out for
generations.
And it's its status quo is to never call
out anybody. You can call out the
underlings. You can call out the low
people. You can call you don't call out
the leadership. You don't call out the
movers and shakers. That's the thing.
You don't call out Kenneth Copeland. You
don't call out Beni Hen. Certainly not.
So Chris responds, "Last response we
have from him on on Instagram." Lesson
number one thing I learned years ago.
You will never please the crowd. I never
let the crowd tell me how to pastor
people. Many people fail who aren't
wolves, including Peter.
This seems to be implying that Shawn is
not a wolf, right? That's seems making a
case that Sean's not a wolf. Like he's
defending Shawn now. That's what's
happening. Three, if the accusations
against Shawn are true, there are many
more like him. We've caught three others
and pulled them all out of the ministry.
What?
What
if if it's true? There's many more like
it. Now, this is this is I talked to
somebody who was in leadership in the
charismatic church in a church you would
know. And they told me that if they
really did pull the cuz I told them,
"You guys need to pull the trigger on
all the people you know that are
faking." If there's people who uh have
sin issues, you may be able to work with
them. You may be able to help a pastor
recover if he's if he's if he's like
teetering on the edge, if he's he's like
half fallen or something. There's times
where you recover and you don't go and
blast that to everybody. But when the
guy's persisting and he won't and he
won't change. And also
when they're fraudulently praying upon
the people of God with fake miracles and
lying in God's name, you there's no
wiggle room on that. You have to go
public on that. You have to warn. You
don't have to warn the whole world. You
have to warn everybody he's influencing
which might be the whole world like as
with Sean or it might be the local
church. But they've caught three others
and there's a lot of them. And this is
what this is what the guy told me. He
said, "Mike, if we did this, if we
actually called this stuff out whenever
we see it, it would be devastating. It
would be a lot of people.
I believe that. And this is here where
Chris admits it, too. If the accusations
against Shawn are true, there are many
more like him. We've caught three others
and pulled them all out of ministry.
Yeah. So, they do sometimes pull people
out of ministry, and this makes them
feel like they're they're doing good. Do
they do they warn people about them? Is
there accountability? I know of another
person who was doing these same fake
words of knowledge at Bethl and was
busted for it and uh was caught for it.
Uh, and there was no public statement
made even though they were doing it
using media and using Bethl resources to
try to reach people. Uh, there was no
accountability for it. Nobody knew why
they got pulled out. They just got
pulled out silently, which sounds like
self-p protection to me.
I'll read on the rest of this message
here from Chris. Unfortunately, social
media has made it easy to embellish
their ministries. So very sad.
Thankfully, one of them has repented and
cleaned up his mess. Maybe he has, maybe
he hasn't. I don't trust you, Chris.
There are many other leaders who have
major issues who are leading
major. What do you mean by major issues?
Bethl has become a place for them to
come and get well and whole. Uh most of
them remmerge healthy noble leaders.
We've got to talk about that for a
second. That claim Bethl is known as a
place where fallen ministers go and they
and they get re reinstated. They get
restored. They're known to be that
place. Todd Bentley went to Bethl to get
reinstated after he was incredibly
horribly evil. Like, look it up. Google
Todd Bentley and anything else and
you're going to find it. Um, they're
known for restoring people. They brought
Bob Jones back into ministry stuff,
right? They're known for this, but I
don't I don't trust them and I don't
think you should trust them either. He
says most of them reemerge healthy,
noble leaders, but the example of say um
Bob Hartley is not that. It's that he
just continued his predations and he
kind of went quiet for a while and he
started getting more integrated. I have
a video on Bob Heartley I just did and
Bethl and how that they did not handle
that properly and it was finally Bob's
son who went public and another woman
who tried to get Bethl to go public.
They they tried to get Bethl to go
public. They wouldn't. So they finally
went public to warn people about Bob
because he would fake prophecy and use
it to get women into the bedroom
and more and worse stuff. Do most of
them
do most of them emerge healthy leaders?
Do we believe that? I don't believe
that. I wonder. Now, some of them do.
And I don't want to Here's the thing. I
don't want to make this video and have
you guys thinking everybody who has ever
been restored through Bethl, it wasn't
real. That is not the case. All it means
is I can't take Bethl's word for it.
That's all it means. I I can't just take
their word for it. I need to assess it
through other means to be thoughtful and
careful and make sure that everybody is
being taken care of and protected
properly. That's what we need to do. So
Chris, we see from his his porative use
of the term the crowd when he has people
begging him to be a spiritual father and
take care of things. Um we know that he
doesn't like warning the crowd. So I'm
going to tell you now about I'm going to
call them Bob and Sally. Okay, here's a
new section of the video. The Bob and
Sally saga.
Bob and Sally were a couple that was
very well off and they had the
beginnings of this business that was
skyrocketing like you know crazy crazy
money that that was the direction that
it was heading. That is very attractive
to the prophet crowd. Not all of them.
There are some people who are prophetic
who are godly and humble and
Christloving and sincere and I think
that God works in their lives. So, but
I'm talking about Mike Bickl and Sean BS
and Emma Stark and Stacy Campbell and
those guys that they love the rich big
moneybags guys that they can prophesy
to. Sincere Christians who love Jesus
and just happen to have a load of cash.
All of a sudden, you get special words
of knowledge for those people. These are
these are what I would consider Sean's
special friends who he still gives words
words to. I'll bet you he's looking
their data up, giving them a special
word. The Lord show me uh something uh
blue. Something blue. And and it's and
you were you were you were you were
trying to dodge it, but you couldn't.
Oh, you bought a new blue Dodge. Oh, I
don't know. How did I know this? The
Lord. Yeah. I mean, is it that um and
you know, God's called me to to to
expand my ministry. I need $60 million.
Yeah. Special words of prophecy for the
rich people. That's what you get. Now,
these guys are rich. Bob and Sally,
they're in the rich category at the
time. So, Mike Bickl, Shawn BS, Emma
Stark, and Stacy Campbell are all
courting them. That's how I understand
from based on their story. Now, they
I've met with them. I've talked with
them a couple times um multiple times.
And here's the story they tell.
According to them, Mike Bickl wanted to
build another wing onto his Wagner
school. This is before Bickl was
exposed. And so, he wanted them to move
to Kansas City. He wants them to move in
with him. Bob and Sally, come here. This
is the place I believe God is calling
you. And they spent three days with
Bickl. Bickl, how often does Mike Bickle
spend three days with anybody? Well,
they were the money bags. They get the
special treatment. Three days with just
them. hours and hours of time with Mike.
He walks them through the whole
prophetic history of the International
House of Prayer, Kansas City. And it's
hours and hours of a lot of madeup stuff
and it and he tells them, "They're
generals. You're generals in our story.
You're part of this story, too. You're
generals." And he had them send bios of
their kids over to Mike so he could
learn all about their kids and get
connected to them regularly. And he was
texting with all of them. And they
called him Uncle Mike. His kids called
him Uncle Mike. There at the end of the
three days they spent together, Mike
gave them a special prophetic word. He
prophesied that they would make billions
of dollars, which did not come to pass.
That they would be massive business
leaders, which has not come to pass. And
that they gave a significant amount of
money to Mike Bickl because that's what
you're supposed to do. It feels like the
right thing and the way he talks and the
stories he tells and you feel like
you're a general and this is how I
serve. And so they gave him significant
amount of money. Chayon also was
courting them. It seems Chayon wanted
them to move to HRock in Pasadena.
That's his church, Pasadena, not too far
from me. I should go say hi to Chay.
So, he wanted them to move to HR. Emma
Stark wanted them to move to where she
lives. And Shawn BS wanted them to move
where he lives in California.
He gave them a prophetic word of
knowledge when they first met that they
now believe was just he googled their
last name and saw it on Wikipedia. So,
he gave I have the recording of this
prophetic word. I've heard the
recording. Um, and it was just what it
was the information from Wikipedia. They
weren't even sure what it meant when it
was given. They just kind of nodded and
were like, "Oh." And then when they
looked it up later, they were like,
"Dude, that's just what Wikipedia says."
And he confirmed before he gave him the
word, he goes, "Is this how you spell
your last name?" And they go, "Yes." And
he goes, "Oh." And then he gives them
the word. Because he was probably trying
to make sure that he looked up the right
last name that the spelling was accurate
cuz he doesn't want another uh 105
slaughter house to happen to him. Stacy
Campbell also wanted them to move out to
where she is in uh Santa Clarita to to
her healing rooms. There was a prophetic
tugof-war over these rich people and I
think that rich people experience this a
lot in these movements. And of course
you do. Of course there's, you know,
when you have a lot of money, people
will be interested in you because of
your money. It's like with online you
have a lot of followers, people are
interested in you because of your
followers, not because of any other
reason. It's weird. It creates weird
unreal social relationships sometimes.
And I don't like any of that stuff. But
when you add the prophetic element to it
and you add, "Oh, I'm giving you a
special word of prophecy and God's
calling you to do this." It becomes a
highly manipulated spiritual abuse of
rich people from these leaders. And that
is what I believe happened. This is an
audio recording though I'm going to
share with you now. Never before heard.
Nobody's heard this really. Uh not
publicly. This audio recording is that
rich couple. There's a prophetic
tugof-war going on and Stacy Campbell is
in the car with them and she is going to
warn them about Shawn BS cuz what Shawn
wants them to move out to him. Stacy
wants them to move out to her. Everybody
wants them to move. They're the popular
kids right now. So Bob and Sally are
very popular. Now she gives him a
warning. Now this is very important.
This comes from 2022,
September or October. Keep in mind that
Bethl has postured as though these
things may or may not really be true.
Who knows for sure? Only the Lord knows.
This is what behind the scenes they
knew. They knew very well what was true.
So listen to this warning from Stacy
Campbell and she tells you a whole bunch
of stuff. Um and I'll let it play. I may
pause it here and there. We'll see.
>> Wolves is utterly and totally dangerous
because he doesn't tell the truth.
So
this is from Chris Valatin
who I know because a an issue came up
from one of Shan Boltz's
from Shawn Boltz's
that was very alarming
and finally he couldn't take it so he
told Patricia King who told Chay and who
told Chris Valatin
And
uh
I and Chris Valatin because Bethl was
very involved with John Wols because
there everybody is believing for this
greater
works than Jesus has done type of
prophetic that is in the Bible doing
these things. And
>> this is what I talk about revival
culture. Um, some I could use a more
technical term and call this the latter
rain movement or the belief that there
is going to be this incredible um,
spiritual transformation. You guys have
to understand this context to get the
full meaning of what you just heard.
There's going to be this amazing
Pentecost 2.0. That's what Brian Simmons
calls it. Pentecost 2.0. We're going to
do greater works than Jesus. We're going
to do greater works than even the
apostles. It'll be what what the church
was always meant to be. This is what
Bethl's always marching towards. So when
you have this need and you've been
preaching this to your people and you
get a faker like Sean, he's extremely
useful in stirring up your crowd and
getting people to flock to your church.
They're going to move to your fellowship
because this is the hot spot where it's
happening.
So that sets the stage for why he was so
important. uh why they were so hopeful
about Shawn, why they were so ready to
receive and promote him because they
have an unbiblical expectation
prophetically about the future of the
Christian church that leaves them open
and they teach this to their people.
Leaves them more open to frauds,
spiritual frauds. I I hope that that
makes sense. I do believe that that's
very important to understand. All right,
let's let's go back to the recording.
The bottom line so far is everybody
knew. Everybody knew. Patricia King,
that recording I told you about, guess
what? It was real. A separate witness
came to me and gave me this completely
independently where they're admitting
it. Patricia King knew, Chayon knew,
Chris Valatin knew. Guess what? This was
not secret. Well, it was secret to us,
not to the elites.
>> We're in that era where I think it's
going to start, but there's always a
burnt earth prior to. And so
uh
um
so on Monday,
>> she's looking through her phone, I
believe, here looking for specific
messages so she could read them out loud
between her and Chris. August 22nd, I
reached out to Chris because I know so
Chris so Shawn Boltz is
who traveled with Sean Bolts
um told these gross stories
of
sexual immorality
of Shawn Bolts
and that when he traveled with Shawn
Bolts,
Shawn Bolts would.
>> Yeah, you're going to hear it uh very
clearly here. Um
I'm not going to censor out what she's
about to say. So now what you're going
to hear from Stacy Campbell, she's
alleging these things are true. And I
think that when you combine this
together with all the other evidence
we've seen, it really raises the
credibility of all of it. All of it
being true. Right? There's what you
don't hear from any of the leaders or
the text messages or the conversations
is anybody saying that Sean's actually
innocent. No. What you see is them
responding as though they believed it
was real. Now, I'm not going to censor
this. I'm just going to play it as is.
There's going to be some descriptive
stuff in here a little bit. Um, so you
guys should be aware.
>> Masturbate in front of him.
It made him very uncomfortable
and
and
walk naked in front of him, you know, to
not wear clothes and he's a guy. And so
finally he couldn't take it and he went
and told other leaders because he didn't
know what to do.
Patricia reached out and told you know
tried to talk to Shawn. Sean would not
talk to her. So she talked to Chay and
Chase said because Shawn said I'm under
Chay's leadership. So don't talk to
Chris because they were having an
irregularity.
and Sean um said to Chris, "I'm not
under Bethl, I'm under Chay."
And Chay tried to talk to him that it
didn't go. So I said, "Okay,
here's the back and forth as I
understand it um from talking to
witnesses apart from this recording was
that um the initial thing was Patricia
thought, "Yeah, Chay's going to do this.
He'll take care of it." And according to
Stacy Campbell, Sean says, "I'm under
him. That's who I'm under." And it
didn't go. I don't know what that means.
Um, then Chay says, "You should have
Chris do." And I'm actually going to
share with you guys a screenshot. I'll
I'll just share it now. Um,
screenshot from Patricia King emailing
one of the victims. And she says on
April 7th of 2020, "I'm so sorry to hear
about this. I'm not sure I can help any
more than I have." This is when Bethl's
currently investigating Shawn and stuff.
He says, "Chris told me that there are
guys working with Shawn. I think he
mentioned Danny Silk and one other maybe
Bob Hassel, which I think she means Bob
Hassan who was on Sean's board and
co-authored a book with him. Um,
should you try to communicate directly
with Chris sharing your disappointment,
which ultimately he he did? From what I
understand, Shawn has not offered you an
apology. So, if this is being dealt
with, I believe that would be a first
step for Shawn's turnaround. That might
be a place where you could start. She's
giving him advice, but he's looking for
someone to be a voice. I honestly don't
know what else I can do. Right? You you
you make a video and you say, "Hey guys,
here's what I found out."
And then you add your credibility and
the strength of your testimony to these
people who are ultimately relatively
powerless in your movement. You said, "I
recorded your story and submitted it to
Shay who uh who told me to connect with
Chris. I CC Chay into my emails to and
from Chris. Chris said he had guys
assigned. I'm deeply saddened.
Uh, in the private conversation, it's
very much like, uh, I care about you.
I'm concerned about you. I want you to
do well. In the public, actual things.
Um, nobody nobody publicly called him
out. So, it's not as though there was
there was like a callous, I don't care
about what you're going through. That
wasn't said. There was just coverup
culture prevents them from taking any
actual actions
to be a voice for the victims. That's
the problem. It takes them, it keeps
them from speaking aloud to the people
who hate, who they assisted in deceiving
so that they might come out of those
deceptions because that would hurt the
prophetic movement worldwide supposedly.
Okay. So, she goes on, she reached out
Monday, August 22nd.
>> Reached out on Monday, August 22nd. So,
this was over a year ago. I've known
this baby too. And I said, "Has there
been and so Chris Valatin flew." So, I
know this from Chris's direct mouth. He
said, "I flew
to Shawn Boltz I on my own dime and I
spent the entire day saying Shawn and
Shawn denied everything and basically
tried to make the other guy a liar."
But the other guy was so broken. And to
have a Christian leader masturbating in
the same room as you and walking naked,
you know, I mean, that is
while you're in the room with him. So on
August 22nd, I reached out to Chris and
said, "Has there been any restoration
with Shawn Bolts?" Because Chris, their
great desire is always to restore fall
miners. again that great desire
it it has frequently or at least in my
opinion number of times turned into
reenabling abusers. So this this desire
the Bethl has to restore fallen leaders
which itself is a good desire.
It doesn't play out without coverup
culture. That's the problem.
Let me get smaller.
All right. And it's part of the history
of Shiloh that when they fall
and Shawn was directly under Paul King
who also
was accused of homosexual acts
and the Haitian groups took him in and
put somebody on him day and night.
>> Paul Kane was accused of specifically
targeting his employees with homosexual
behaviors.
Think about that.
>> So that he could not sin again.
Because once a person has been abused by
a person in authority that they look up
to, they're devastated for the rest of
their life. Like it is like
and so Chris response from Chris. This
is just the text I will then send you.
Hi Chris. Has there been any restoration
with Shawn? This is definitely not
Shawn. I said, "Okay, thank you so much.
I appreciate you responding because I
know that Shawn is now being asked by
Georgian, etc., but Chris said Shawn
will never come to Bethl again because
of his lack of humility and repentance."
>> Chris also said, "As far as I know, it's
alleged."
So, this Georgian Banov guy, this is a
guy that invited Shawn to speak. This is
after these things were known. Uh, and
everybody in their circles, their
leadership circles, they're all like
telling each other about it, you know,
and Chris is supposedly warning warning
a lot of people. Um, George and Banov
was was scheduling Sean to still speak
at this prophetic training event. I'll
I'll share more about in a minute.
>> And then this is the next one
from his email. So I sent him an email
cuz I didn't know he got my
question.
So Julie,
Julie asked me
because she sent me the email where
Georgia was having come to a conference.
She said, "Has there been any
>> um this is the conference
per their website, Shawn did end up
speaking at this George and Banov
conference in March and April of 2023.
It was several weeks long along with
Stacy Campbell and many others, Heidi
Baker, James Gaul, Barbie breathe it.
Right now, I'm not saying all these guys
knew about Certainly some of them did.
Certainly some of them did. Certainly
Stacy Campbell did. She went and did the
same conference. The same conference
that she's like, "Ah, George is still
going to have him." Shawn Bulls is
dangerous. He's d she's warning the rich
people because she wants their wallets,
I think. And yet there is no warning
that goes out to the rest of the people
at that conference like they're not that
important.
Insane.
>> Restoration Sean.
Let me check.
Hi Chris.
Chris.
Hi Chris. I was wondering if there's
been any updates
with
and anyway
difficult to tell if there's only one
car but essentially and I can like read
them all. He said no. He said but
definitely not Sean. He said, "As far as
I'm concerned, Sean Holmes is a
deceiver, and I will not have a back
where I'm trusting. And so, I'm
concerned for you because I love you.
I'm giving you the warning that he's
dangerous. His behavior is bad.
He's been caught red-handed.
He's unrepentant."
>> I got to remind you guys, this is
September or October of 2022. It was
less than a year later. It was like
March or something maybe of 2023 when
Bill Johnson went and endorsed Shawn's
book and Shawn on TBN.
>> But you wrote that this was one of the
most exciting books that you had read.
Why was that?
>> Um, well, the book by itself is
incredible. Knowing the life that backs
it up adds a a power to it because it's
so it's so practical. It's it's what you
dream of. It's like if if you could see
if you could have a perfect relationship
with the Lord and see its impact on
humanity, that's what it would look
like.
>> Chris says he's a deceiver. I will not
allow him to minister here publicly.
Says, as far as I know, it's alleged.
Bill goes and endorses him, but they
distance themselves. Their ministries
are separate. So, what does this look
like? Coverup culture.
>> And this was August 22nd. So, this is
new. It's not old and recent. And I know
you're calling to invest in the
prophetic and you're amazing.
But I'm just asking you to pray about
your heart. Thank you in that because
he's to be
he's not only dangerous for the body of
Christ and a lot of times the people
that affiliate with him go down, they go
down.
>> Aha.
He's dangerous to the body of Christ,
but we're not warning them.
But you, we don't want you to affiliate
with him. So, you're part of the the
inner circle because of your wallet. So,
you I love you. I want to protect you. I
care about you're the special ones. But
like Elijah Stevens, he wasn't the
special one, right? He to me he is, but
he wasn't. Uh to the Lord, he is, but he
wasn't to the leadership at Bethl. Um,
but uh, Jubilee Dawn, who experienced
great harm because of Shawn, connected
to Shawn for for sure. Um, not special
enough, not important enough. I love
you. I want to protect you, so I'm
warning you about Shawn. Only counts to
the elite because that's the culture of
coverup. It's a cast system.
Okay. In this next clip, Stacy talks
about a document allegedly showing Shawn
Bull's faked prophecy by data mining
Facebook and Google. This is a document
we have not seen that has not been
released publicly. I've asked for it.
They spread it around to each other.
They just wouldn't show you
by
didn't feel good. So what he did was he
voted the names of every person Sean
Woods was prophesying
and then went on their Facebook pages
and every single bit of information
prophesying. You could find it on page
find
and there was nothing that was
prophesying
that was that was from unknown
revelation. It was holding on. And so he
sent me a document only 20 pages long.
This is what Sean said. This is on the
front page of their Facebook pages. This
is on the second page. If you Google the
person that their is their son that you
find that you know I mean it it just it
was all there and it was highly
incriminating
order of law and he was also also tried
to confront him
and Shawn made him the bad guy.
>> They knew that there was a guy who tried
to confront Shawn years ago and that
Shawn made that guy into the bad guy and
none of these people were helping and
defending him. I think they might be
talking about Jason Smmedley. I'll be
sharing a a tweet. He he replied to me
recently on Twitter and I I would had
been wanting to talk to him for a long
time. I'll be sharing something he said
this guy tried to expose Shawn and Paul
Kaine came after him and made him the
bad guy, right? Um he suffered greatly
because of this stuff. He says he's
convinced that the leaders all knew Sean
was faking for a long time and they just
didn't care. That makes a lot of sense
to me. Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
So that she might be talking about him.
I don't know. But
it makes a lot of sense. When a bully
does that pushes off their sin,
that's grossest to me
cuz you get a chance to fall on the rock
falls on you. So
I trust them.
He doesn't.
You might be interested to know that
Stacy Campbell talked a lot of dirt
about a lot of different leaders with
this couple. Um, she seems to have
something on everybody,
but that's the Shawn BS information.
What she didn't tell the couple was that
she was going to be attending the dream
interpretation and seer realm master
class with Shawn BS and George and Banov
not too long after she had this
conversation. So, there she is. We've
got Shawn there. You've got Stacy
Campbell there. You've got Tommy Ariomi
there. Some of you might know that name.
James Gaul there and George and Banov,
Heidi Baker.
How deep does it go is the question. I
don't know. I don't know. But I know
that the trust should be broken when it
comes to this sphere of leaders. You
should not trust their discernment and
you cannot shop your discernment out to
them. And you don't want to follow their
culture because it's a culture of cover
up. After this, after this is when Bill
Johnson went on TBN and endorsed Shawn
BS after all of this,
>> knowing the life that backs it up adds a
power to it.
>> Why wasn't Shawn BS exposed? Um because
none of the leaders that the people were
asking for help would help. They
wouldn't have stopped these people from
going public. Most likely, they wouldn't
have tried to stop them, but they don't
want to be part of it. They're not going
to be connected to it, and they're not
going to help them do it. and they won't
provide them with the safety and
covering that they will need because
guess what happens when you go public
like someone already tried as Stacy
Campbell said Shawn BS makes them the
bad guy makes them the villain because
Shawn obviously has much more weight
even now has much more weight in these
circles than some random person who's
trying to blow the whistle on him. You
need the leaders to lay their life down
to protect the sheep. That's just what's
required. So Chayon backed off, Chris
backed off, Patricia King backed off.
It's ultimately there's nothing they can
do. They're powerless supposedly. Now,
I've talked to the sources, my several
different sources, a number of different
people, and they all seem to agree,
pretty much all the ones I've asked
about it, agree on one idea, and that is
the idea that it was ultimately Bill
Johnson that stopped Shambles from being
exposed, that it was not something Bill
wanted to happen. And remember that Bill
is the one who openly endorsed him after
the fact. So, let me say this next thing
very carefully. I'll read this out to
you. I believe that the problem is way
bigger than what we know. that if any
one of these leaders just came out and
exposed the fakers and abusers that they
know about, there would be so many. It
would be devastating and that's why they
won't. So why wasn't Shawn exposed? Why
didn't they warn everyone? Why only warn
the rich people and the leaders and then
distance yourselves and not tell the
public?
You know, Bethl talked to some of the
same witnesses I have that they
interviewed some of the same people that
I've talked to that they knew this
stuff. It's crazy. So what does it mean
when you distance yourself but you don't
warn the people? It means you're not
protecting the sheep. It means you might
be concerned about your own protection
and reputation. It means you might be
worried about logical outcomes that if
if we have the kind of culture that
calls this guy out, who else are they
going to call out? Am I going to get
called out? And that's a scary thing.
But that's what 1 Timothy 5:19 and 20
says, that's my theme verse for this
series of exposure and coverup culture
stuff is it says, "Rebuke in the
presence of all that the rest also may
fear." Yeah. I'm worried about if I hold
others accountable, people might hold me
accountable. But I'm supposed to be
worried about that. Like I should live
with that fear because there is
accountability in the body of Christ for
us.
Now, we need to talk about the trigger
video. First, I need to take a little
break. I've been talking too much.
This is the second day I have tried to
spend recording this. The first day all
the footage didn't work and had a
glitch.
Let's talk about the trigger video. The
trigger video was December of 2023. This
is a video created by Shawn BS where he
goes on to TBN and on YouTube and
wherever else he puts his stuff and he's
going to tell other people how they can
deal with leaders who abuse them. This
triggered people who he had abused in
the past or hurt in the past and
they decided to make more noise. Okay,
this triggered another round of people
asking for BS to be held accountable and
this was December of 2023 when this
happened. So, it's a disturbingly ironic
video. I'm going to play several clips
from it. Sean has deleted it from the
internet, but the internet never
forgets. So, here it is.
very interesting subject, a prophetic
perspective, and a teaching that I think
is going to really help you, especially
if you've been one of those who's
experienced the moral failure of a
pastor or a person who should have
spiritual authority over you. God's been
judging the churches and pastoral
failures and ministries. And there's a
lot of collapsing right now. And I can
make a list of names of people who have
had a ministry or personal failure that
were public figures in the church over
the past few years. And it'd be a very
long video. We
>> It'd be a very long video. it imply I
think he means a list of people who've
failed and fallen. Um
because there is more accountability now
than there ever has been. Um Sean in
this video you can already see it. He's
he speaks as though he's like squeaky
clean or at least clean of the types of
things that he's dealing with here. And
I'm telling you, if there was ever a
moment when Shawn BS was able to
actually prophesy something, it was here
and it was unintentional. The stuff that
he says in this video, it's eerie and
ironic and disturbingly ironic where he
counsels people on how to deal with
leaders who have abused them. And
imagine yourself as you watch the rest
of this with me, imagine if Sean had
done a prophetic grift on you. He looked
you up online. He prophesied to you. And
then he gave you instructions that
changed your life and and in in ways
that were not always good. And then you
find out it was a lie. It was deception.
It was manipulation. It was the worst
kind of blasphemy.
Imagine that you were one of his
employees who he sexually harassed and
dominated in in disgusting ways that
took you a long time to recover that you
had to get counseling and it was really
rough. And then he makes this video.
>> You've never seen so many ministries
that have senior leaders or someone
within their senior team in a prominent
position go through such public moral
failures and disgrace. There's so many
victims that have been left out just out
in the cold because of this. There
hasn't been a good process in a lot of
these places or institutions to help
victims or families of the victims. But
God is judging the church. He's actually
judging the church where he's exposing
things that need to be corrected because
he's a good father. And a good father
wouldn't leave their children in a place
where they're being abused. A good
father wouldn't leave his children in a
place where things don't have justice or
do you see the cry? Like it's crazy
ironic. Talk about being able to present
this video in a new context. See, one of
the requirements for fair use for me to
be able to play someone's video is is
it's transformative. Well, this is
transformative, man, because this is
commentary on you and you didn't you you
didn't see it that way. You didn't know
it that way. But
this is eerie. Um God's judging the
church. There's a lot of accountability.
God's dealing with people. Yes. Yes, he
is. And you're one of them. That's the
thing, Sean. You're one of them. But
when your victims saw this and when your
the people you hurt saw this, they
couldn't stand it. And they and they
went from being quiet and hoping the
leaders would deal with it and the
leaders who distanced themselves and
protected themselves and didn't protect
the people. When when those leaders did
that and the people remained quiet, they
saw this video and thought, "That's it.
That's it. We need to go public. We need
to talk to somebody. We need to we need
to make more noise."
This was Sean digging his own grave.
>> Consequences. But then there's people
who've been walking with God and they
know that their no should be no. They
know their yes should be yes and yet
they choose something like an affair to
embezzle money to um use their position
of spiritual authority wrongly. And God
judges this. And when God judges this,
he exposes it and he takes away
spiritual authority.
Yes. Which is why you need to quit your
ministry and stop making prophetic. This
is so ironic. It's a prophetic video.
I'm going to give you a prophetic
perspective on uh uncovering this sin in
the church and abusive leaders and stuff
and dealing with that. It's insane that
he's doing this while talking about
this.
>> And he actually allows the person who's
doing it to go through a season of
misery. I think I look at it sometimes
as like a spiritual jail. I'm taking my
grace off your life in this season
because you are not partnering to me and
now you violated people around you.
turns into these dark spaces get darker
and corrupted and then bad behaviors
that are immoral and illegal happen. And
>> now he's going to say even in this video
he's like I'm not I mean I haven't done
anything I've made mistakes but I've
never done anything like illegal or
whatever. He distances himself from this
which infuriates of course the sexual
harassment from his employees. That's
illegal dude. That's definitely illegal.
>> Again that's why I think God has to
ultimately expose these things. He will
not let his people be subject to this
evil forever. Like at some point he's
going to expose people who do this. And
I used to deal with a lot of pastors who
were going through moral failures and
going through things and then also the
victims of those situations. What one of
the common grounds that I saw was as so
he's presenting himself as somebody
who's been in a lot of these scenarios
and he's he's dealt also with the
victims of these scenarios. Do you
believe that? Isn't this the guy that
sicked Paul Kaine on the guy that was
trying to expose him for his fraudulent
ministry?
that they had an issue where they
couldn't be vulnerable with their sin.
And so then it just kept compounding and
compounding. And then once they've
committed enough sin, how do they share?
Because they've not tracked with anybody
for now years. How do they blow this up
without it becoming a bomb in their
whole family and their whole church? And
so it's better to hide. This is not the
way of the kingdom. This is not how God
works. And I've had behavior I've had to
repent of and confess my sins of.
Anybody has. anybody, especially in
leadership positions, there's times when
you did something too long. I'm not
saying I did anything I can go to jail
for, whatever, but there's times you did
something too long that you shouldn't
have done. Any pastor has done that. Any
leader has done that. So, he only has
done common leader mistakes. That's
that's what he wants to make sure is
clear in this video. I I've done things
I had to repent of, but only like normal
leadership kind of mistakes and
problems. Dude, there ain't nothing
normal about the stuff you've done.
There's nothing normal about that stuff.
You see why this was the trigger video?
why this caused people to to call up
Bethl again. Another round of calling up
people.
>> Maybe it's a Matthew 18. Somebody comes
to you and confronts you and you don't
respond to that confrontation and it
ends up being something that's
publicized and you never really change
in your heart. There is a final
condemnation where you're turning your
back on Jesus. You're turning your back
on the core principles of truth. And
that's a scary place to be. Especially
if our disobedience is causing others to
sin or others to be oppressed. God will
expose that somehow.
his most prophetic moment.
Sean
unintentionally declaring what was going
to happen to him. Our life will not go
well. I do want to tell you that we have
in our ministry, we have a lot of
resources and materials. I have books
that have become bestsellers on hearing
God's voice and even for children. We
have a prophetic parenting kit coming
up. But something got disappointed in
you because of a man, because of
>> I just wanted to include the
advertisement in there just to have a
prophetic parenting book. Everything's
prophetic with Sean, right? cuz he's the
prophet. He's the He's the golden boy
prophet of the of the next revelation of
God's incredible power in the church,
right? The Pentecost 2.0. And so
everything's prophetic. Prophetic
update, prophetic news commentary,
prophetic parenting. Um, and so he plugs
that and he's selling his book as well
in this video.
>> A woman, because of a pastor, because of
a leader. And I feel like God wants to
heal the disappointment in humanity and
he wants to reappoint our faith in him.
So my prophetic word is everything in
leadership that can be shaken is getting
shaken. and we're watching it right in
front of us
>> now. It was already happening. Like this
this is a a a something that everybody
knew was already going on as far as it
shaking goes. But this this was the
trigger video. Okay. This was December
of 2023.
December of 2023. Which led to another
round of in particular one of my
witnesses reaching out a different one
than before than he was who was texting
with Chris, right? Reaching out to Bethl
and going there needs to be
accountability. There needs to be
something something needs to be done.
Um, so here's some of the things that
happened. This witness, uh, he met with
Bill Johnson personally. Bill was
incredibly loving and incredibly kind
according to him and it felt nice to
meet with him. They spoke without
identifying Shawn by name and just said
that he'd been hurt by leaders. And what
a what a surreal environment where
you're sitting there with Bill and you
don't for some reason socially it's just
it doesn't his name doesn't even come
up. His name doesn't even come up. What
is that? How do you not How do you not
address his What is this, Bill? What is
this thing you're doing, Bill Johnson?
His name doesn't even come up.
Why is it because you wanted to separate
him from this guy? Let's just Let me see
if I can just massage this guy, make him
feel better, and then he can go away
because our private conversations can I
can say anything I want publicly. I
won't actually call this guy out. So, it
was a nice private conversation. They
spoke without identifying Shawn and just
said that my witness had been hurt by
leaders. Bill prayed for him and Bill
repented on behalf of leaders in general
with this individual. There was no
public accountability. That was in 2023.
That was right after uh this.
Then on January 10th in 2025, something
happened that changed things again. And
that thing is the minor prophets.
The minor prophets. That that's the name
of a YouTube channel. They're not saying
that they're prophets. Um the Minor
Prophets YouTube channel. They came out
and they made a video called Well, the
thumbnail says, "Everyone knows Shawn BS
faked it and no one will talk about it."
And this is the first
credible credible within the charismatic
community exposure that happened with
Sean that I'm aware of that I I would
say this was this was the one that like
tipped it over. This caused Bethl alumni
to start saying, "What is up?" People
who had been to their school of
supernatural ministry, they're reaching
out. They're asking for people to
comment on this. People are calling for
Bethl to comment. The reaction was huge.
This was the first major charismatic
exposure of Shawn. The thumbnail says
what it says, right? And they suffered
great reputation damage. Um, the guys
that did this, they they suffered. So,
they had a voice. They actually have
some platforms. They're actually in
ministry positions, but they also
suffered because they called out Shawn
because the other leaders wouldn't call
him out. So, anyway, that's how it
always is. Then, Bethl, a month later
comes out with a statement. And we're
going to read that statement. Bethl's
February 2025 statement comes out
and I'm I'm going to pull it up here.
Um, now for the first time, for the
first time, people have the whole
background, the whole backstory. You
know, the conversations with Chris, you
know what was said behind the scenes by
Stacy Campbell. Um, you know, all of
these things. So now when I read this
statement, you will understand why it
was not very good. Okay, this was B
Bethl's statement on Shawn BS to alumni.
They only gave the statement out to
alumni. It was not sent to the world.
was just sent to people who had attended
their school. February 3rd statement.
Dear alumni, we know this feels very
late for some of you. Sorry this has
taken so long. We're aware that a
conversation is happening regarding
Shawn BS and our confrontations with him
that took place more than 5 years ago,
right? Cuz minor prophets showed some of
the evidence I've shown. They didn't
have all of it, but they showed some of
it. We have delayed in an effort to
reflect our recollection accurately as
the issues are important and complex.
Right. Shambles had ministered with us
many times for many years and had a
great impact on our house. If it was
fake, it wasn't great.
We deeply valued and trusted him and
appreciated his prophetic gift. Many of
us have received important accurate
prophecies and words of knowledge from
him prior to social media being so
pervasive that we had great confidence
in.
Bill says that he would replay
prophecies from Shawn on his cell phone.
And I have video of Shawn doing his
grift on Bill Johnson. I'll I'll share
that later. This video is going to be so
long. In 2019, some significant concerns
came to us from respected international
leaders regarding irregularities in
Shaun's word of knowledge gift. 2019,
you guys knew in 2015 and 2016 and 2017,
and you're simply not acknowledging it.
Why? Oh, it wasn't a respected
international leader. It was just normal
folks trying to raise the alarm and they
don't they don't count, I guess.
who knows what the reason is, but it but
they knew before that. They knew for all
I know they knew in 2008.
For all I knew that they they they knew
about all this stuff all along. And they
know that there's fakery. For all I
know, the gold dust is something that
they know in intentionally knowingly put
into their air ducts or wherever just so
that they could get um all the people to
come out to Bethl where they could get
their special anointings. In 2019, some
significant concerns came to us from
respected international leaders
regarding irregularities in Shawn's word
of knowledge gift that caused them to
wonder if he may have been using social
media to generate them. We believe that
these concerns and the evidence to
support them were gathered and shared in
good faith and out of concern for the
global church. Who cares how they were
gathered? What if they were gathered by
like evil atheists who just hate you
guys? The the question is whether
they're true or not. That's the
question. The the good faith thing is
like let's stop analyzing all the
witnesses. Maybe they maybe they've got
ulterior motives. Okay, we should know
that, but that doesn't mean that what
they've said isn't true.
Their presentation of over a dozen words
amongst the hundreds he's given was a
small sample size,
but regardless was validly concerning
and needed to be addressed for some of
our team. For some of our team, the
evidence felt conclusive, but for
others, it was not. We did not have a
consensus, but we were very concerned
and sought to clarify from him.
who didn't think it was true. Cuz I
understand hypothetically that Danny
Silk in the confrontation looked at
Shawn and said, "You're a liar." In that
very conversation, Chris says, "I don't
trust him. He's a deceiver. I won't let
him minister. He's not welcome at
Bethl." But here we have for some of our
team, this is what the public does not
get the truth. the public could get the
massaged PR read by a lawyer first
message
for some of our team. No consensus. Two
of our leaders met with Shawn on two
separate occasions about this. Chris
flew down from his meeting with Shawn at
Bill's Bill Johnson's request. Our
leaders also met with Shawn's board and
shared the evidence and our concerns.
Actually, according to Chris, your
leaders said, "You guys should pull
Shawn out of ministry. He's guilty. I
don't know why you guys aren't doing
it." That that's that's what Chris said
to one of the victims. Was that true?
Each time Shawn absolutely denied using
any social media in his words of
knowledge or prophecies, Shawn still
maintains he never used social media in
any words. And truthfully, unless some
something changes, only he and the Lord
really know what took place.
That's not what you said in private.
This is deceptive, is it not? Am I not
right in believing that this was this is
an intentional deception to the body of
Christ
from Bethl Church regarding prophecy,
regarding their leadership, regarding
how they've handled uh situations behind
the scenes,
cover up culture.
We ended up in a stalemate without a
satisfactory resolution of our concerns,
without definitive proof, repentance,
and or team consensus. We made no public
statement because we weren't sure. I
thought that Chris said he warned all
the leaders that that he told all the
people who asked him about Shawn's
antics and that Shawn wouldn't repent
and it was shameful.
This is going to get worse. Let's keep
reading. It just actually gets worse.
The leaders who previously investigated
and gathered the evidence were of course
free to do what they thought best going
forward. Is that even true? Really? Were
they free?
I I think that they would have known.
Here's my conjecture. I admit this is
conjecture. I think they would have
known. If we publicly call out Sean,
Bill Johnson is not going to be happy
and you do not want an angry bill at
you. He will passive aggressive you and
you will disappear from your effective
your effective ministry will just will
just be shrunk. Um that that is what my
conjecture is. I do think it's it's
likely. Around the same time, one of
Shawn's employees made allegations
concerning inappropriate behavior and
unacceptable work environment.
Inappropriate behavior and an
unacceptable work environment. Is that
does that sound like what he was
alleging?
That is so softened.
And it is not just one of Sean's
employees. There are multiple. There are
a number of them. And they could have
had many, many of them to interview and
discuss with if they had bothered even
trying. But they didn't. They didn't.
Though Shawn was not and is not under
our authority, one of our leaders found
another impacted former team member went
to Shawn and confronted him on those
issues over several difficult
conversations and admonished him that
this behavior was completely
unacceptable and that he should take
responsibility.
He indicated to us that the behaviors
that had taken place had stopped.
Right. Right. That's going to go in the
letter. Hey guys, Sean says he stopped
the vague behaviors of in unacceptable
work environment and inappropriate
behavior. Now, in the initial release of
this letter, this letter Bethl had he
they sent it over to to some of the guys
some some of Shawn's former employees
and they saw this and they were really
bothered in the vague vague language
that they used to discuss what Shambles
did with them. And so they were like,
you need to call this sexual harassment.
You can't just say it was unacceptable
work environment or inappropriate
behavior. You need to use the phrase
sexual harassment. So here was Bethl's
next draft and the one that went public.
It said, "Though we are not experts,
these behaviors seemed to fit the
descriptions of sexual harassment and a
hostile work environment as commonly
taught in HR training and had potential
legal ramifications. It's it's a
technicality here. It seems to appear
possibly could be, you know, but he
indicated to us that they' stopped. But
you know this is shameful.
This was included at their request.
That's what I was told. Um and the and
the statement was if you don't if you
don't call it sexual harassment, we're
going to take our group of people and
we're going to go public, Bethl. We're
going to go public. You know what Bethl
should have done with those group? They
should have said, "Let's help you go
public. Let's help you tell the truth
about what happened." Instead, they did
this sick little cover-up culture thing.
This is currently on their website even
now. We recommend we recommended they
take action in seeking a remedy through
the justice system such as the labor
board, arbiters or courts as there was
no real movement from Shawn to address
the past situations and we had done what
we could given the limited level of
knowledge that we had at the time.
That's deceptive. We spoke to his board
regarding this area of concern. Spoke to
his board. You you claim that you asked
the board Christa we implying that Bethl
asked the board to take Shawn out of
ministry and then when he wouldn't do it
you didn't warn people.
Romans 13 teaches us that God has placed
civil leaders in a place in place as
ministers of God for the kinder for the
kinds of issues his former team members
brought to us. Now the reason they're
including this I think is because in the
leaked text messages Chris counsels him
maybe you should sue him. If he hadn't
said that in the text, I don't think
they would have included this in the
letter here. So, he was trying to
explain like, why would you say sue
Shawn? Now, here they're trying to make
it sound like, no, no, no, like, you
know, Romans 13, this is just about
civil leaders and da da da. Um, so I
think it's about that. Furthermore,
their experience was absolutely
important and personal and as such was
their story to tell, not ours, and to
take action if they desired. This is a
cowardly thing to say. They came to you
guys for help. You you should have
helped them tell their story. You should
have put out a warning as you were
requested to by in the text message
conversation by one of the victims who
was like, "Can you guys just put out a
statement? Can Bethl just put out a
warning? Can you guys please tell the
story?" They asked you to help them tell
their story. And you're like, "No, no,
no. It's only for you to tell. Only for
you." Meaning, no one's going to help
you. This is the general context to
which Chris was speaking in the text
messages that were posted on social
media. Did you hear that? This is Bethl
confirming that those are real text
messages. Those are real and they're
confirming it here. I don't know if they
realized this was the what was going to
happen with that. They've confirmed now
that those that text conversation was
legit, which means that what that guy
that sent them to me was real and he
sent me even more than the stuff that
they had seen. This is all real.
Corroborating evidence. Shawn was a
trusted guest minister who spoke often
on our platform. If Shawn worked for us
or was truly or officially under our
covering, the situation would have been
handled much differently. this phrase,
if Sean worked for us or was truly or
officially under our covering. This like
idea of a spiritual covering. Shawn
referred to them at points as their
mother church. Shawn called him a
spiritual son or excuse me, Bill called
him a spiritual son reportedly and you
know it was Bill who put him on stage
and he said Shawn is uh one of our most
trusted friends. They introduced him as
one of the most prophetic people on the
planet. You have covered him. Now you
need to uncover him. That's how this
works.
We would have not just appealed to Shawn
if they felt a responsibility, which
they did not. We would not just have
appealed to Shawn. We would have
required comprehensive and righteous
response. Whether related or not,
shortly after we addressed our concerns,
it appeared that Shawn took steps vagory
to adjust how he operated in words of
knowledge. He just recently spoke to
some of the changes he's made, which can
be found on his website here. This is
Bethl doing damage control for Shawn BS.
It uh we're going to read it. We're
going to read it. Okay. This is what
Shambles actually says in his statement
that will supposedly talk about
according to Bethl. It's very important
we pay attention to the details. This
describes how he took steps to adjust
how he operated in words of knowledge.
And he just spoke about that here. So
here's Sean's website. We're going to
read some sections from it. Statement of
community of commitment to prophetic
integrity promoting healthy prophetic
ministry.
Ask yourself if this is Sean admitting
anything, changing anything, altering
anything. As a ministry, we would never
condone and we would refute that we
would ever find information online to
prophesy over people because this has
happened historically with a few
individuals. There is suspicion that has
been created and we have been accused of
this several times, specifically from
2016 to 2019. What is this? This is
Shawn acknowledging that the allegations
were go back at least as far as 2016.
that the allegations go back at least
that far. Again, confirming pieces of
evidence. Notice that Sean says we when
he's talking about Shawn. Shawn is the
only guy they're talking about. We We We
No, it's just you, Sean. He goes on,
"When we when we were traveling
full-time and modeling and teaching the
body of Christ how to pursue the
spiritual gift of the words of of words
of knowledge, which hasn't had a lot of
teaching around it up until this current
generation, he's bragging. He's actually
bragging about his special unique
ministry that is like you know it's
something new. He's bringing you to the
new level spiritually
practicing points of our prophetic
standards. Okay. So this is their
standards. Again notice he confesses
nothing but he words very carefully this
letter that Bethl actually encouraged
people to read. Put in their letter.
Here we go. Make a little bigger for you
guys.
Yeah. All right. Notice what he says.
In 2019, there were a lot of questions
about words of knowledge and the
theology of the prophetic being directed
at our ministry. These were important
questions specifically around words of
knowledge as well as some asking what
are the boundaries of making prophetic
predictions over relationships or
finances, right? Because people made
investment choices. Elijah lost most of
his uh retirement because of Shawn. Um,
I've talked to three different people
who entered into marriages because Sean
told them to um said it was God. Because
of these, we really wanted to define
what we felt like would be the most
healthy version of good boundaries and
also clearly take a stand for what is a
good word of knowledge. We decided, we
meaning Sean, to change some of the ways
that I minister publicly as well as how
our teams that we have sent out would
minister to create safety and health.
Okay. So, here is a change that he made.
He denies everything, but he changed
anyways. Why? Because he's guilty. We as
a ministry
fight for the gifts of the Holy Spirit
and their purpose in the body of Christ,
especially in the prophetic as part of
what we think brings a well-balanced
Christian life. We made several changes
in our ministry team back in 2019 and my
own personal public platform to help
flow in the word of knowledge gifting
without having as much room for
criticism and doubt. Again, not change
it because of guilt, change it because
of criticism and doubt.
This was about reputation control.
That's it. So, they're talking about
accusations and they're saying, you
know, Sean made took steps to adjust how
he operates in word of knowledge. The
implication is he's taking steps because
he's done something wrong. He's fixing
it. He's not fixing anything. We want to
share some of these commitments and
protocols our ministry adopted to help
others who want to help share the
genuine prophetic gift. So, here we are.
Instead of I repent, here's what I did
wrong. It's allow us to teach you guys
how to live your life better with
prophecy, the very thing that he abuses.
Here are some of the standards we set in
our ministry when it comes to practicing
prophetic gifts so you can see what is
important to our ministry. And hopefully
it can help inform your own approach if
you're new to this or help sharpen you
if you're unfamiliar with practicing the
prophetic. We are consistently adjusting
our ministry protocols to keep the
people who the people we are called to
minister to safe as well as the people
who practice it. Most of these protocols
were already being practiced, but we
reinforce them and have held the line
for years.
Okay? So, he's godly, he's righteous,
he's actually the example for others to
follow. That's that's his that's his
statement.
Words of knowledge. We will not share
any information that is obvious as a
word of knowledge. meaning it can be
found online like birthdays,
anniversaries, people's names, addresses
in our prophetic words. Ask God for what
1 Corinthians 14 says is the secrets of
the heart. In this way, people can have
confidence that if a word comes, it came
from God. Oh, so he he's not going to do
what was the entire center point of his
entire ministry. What was the foundation
of his book? What was the reason he
became the wonder child? That he the
reason why his ministry took off, why
people were seeking him out, why he was
the most prophetic person, the most
accurate words of knowledge I've ever
seen. That's what what uh Chris Valatin
had said about him. And he goes about
this policy. He says most of these
protocols were already being practiced.
We'vefor reinforced them and held the
line for years. We will not share words
of knowledge about someone's pain,
relational issues, or anything negative
publicly. Actually, you talked about
people losing their children. You talked
about people losing their family
members, losing a mother.
You used people's pain and loss to make
yourself look like a prophet, Sean. And
you're saying we will not, you know, he
never says we we never have.
They have. He says they've held most of
these all along. Not true. This is what
Bethl has pointed people to.
This is why people are upset that even
when they brought out this thing where
they're like, "Wow, they kind of brought
a statement out, Mike. This is why the
people who know what's going on are
like, this is actually very bad, guys.
It's actually very bad."
It's easy to go to a place of inner it's
it's easy to go to a place of inner
healing or what is wrong. But if you're
going to share these things in front of
their family or friends, it can put them
in a bad light or cause
misunderstanding.
We will not share words of knowledge
about resources or finances publicly.
Publicly cuz Sean still does this
finances and resources publicly probably
to people he sees as money bags
because it puts pressure on exposing
someone's condition to people who aren't
involved. People who have money can be
pursued wrongly. You are very familiar
with that. People who don't have it can
become shamed.
prophecy. We will not share prophetic
words publicly that are about judgment
or correction. That's an unbiblical
rule. Actually, you shouldn't have that
rule. We will not prophesy about
romantic relationships with people who
are not married. Oh, I wonder why you're
not going to do that anymore. Jubilee
Dawn is the reason why. Cuz she went
public and told everybody what you did
to her.
Shameful, man. You won't even repent.
You won't even repent of it. We will not
prophesy about business deals or
contracts with specific groups or people
or that finances or resources are
supposed to be given away that are not
yours. We will also not prophesy about
business partnerships with specific
people together or that someone will be
working with someone else by name
because it can cause confusion and
manipulation. I remember the rich couple
telling me about how this was happening
to them from you and others in your
circle.
We will not prophesy over people
struggling with infertility by promising
they will get pregnant. We will not
prophesy conditional words. Unless you
do this, this will not happen. No words
with ultimatums. It it okay. I mean, God
prophesies with conditional words all
the time. So, I don't know. I don't know
what that's about. Discernment. We will
not share negative things we have
discerned publicly about individuals or
other believers. We will not share
public discernment over individuals
about the demonic.
Really? Do you guys remember the video
where he says that the attacks on him
was the biggest coordinated Jezebel
spirit he's ever seen? What is that?
That's his discernment about all the
people like the bloggers, the people who
made videos. They were attacking. That
was the coordinated Jezebel spirit.
That's what that was. That was him doing
the very thing he says that they won't
do.
How long is this statement? I don't I
don't think I can even even read this
whole thing. This is super annoying.
Sean BS, you guys can look at it
yourself. Go to his web page. Currently,
it's it's on the front page of his page.
You can find it easily. Um, so we won't
post Oh, this one I got to read. We will
not post internet videos or social media
videos of our own prophecy over others.
Guess what? Cuz it's just getting him in
trouble. As soon as he posts a video,
we're like, "Google, Google. Oh, look.
There's them. There's their dog. There's
their there's their their mom." And we
find out the information was all readily
available. He got busted. That's why. If
they want to post it, let them. But it's
their story, not ours. Unless they
specifically give us permission.
Remember, in the social media age,
people who were against this kind of
ministry may track them down and harass
them. We are seeing such an increased
harassment of people who share their
testimonies of our prophetic ministry
that for their sake, we took them down
so they can tell their own stories about
us.
Oh my goodness.
Now, I would never harass anybody who
was targeted and manipulated and
deceived and abused by Shawn, but it's
crazy. He's using them as a shield. He's
adding insult to their injury and he's
using them as a shield now.
All right, that's here. Here he says
something personally. I'll just read
this last part. Um, we have never had to
correct our team in a big way for
violating any of these standards because
they are relational guards to keep
everyone safe. Feel free to adopt them
in your ministry team. Although I, Shawn
BS, do do a uh do not do a lot of
traveling ministry anymore. and our
focus has turned to media/entertainment.
I still want to help support the
prophetic ministry and movement and
steward my relationships that have been
for over 30 years in this ministry in
the healthiest way possible. This is our
commitment as a ministry to you and to
the body of Christ.
So Sean's comm commitment to them
ultimately boils down to I'm innocent
and and I won't do it anymore so please
leave me alone.
Is that how you read it? That's how I
read it. And that's how it came off in
Chris's text conversation with with one
of the witnesses was like, "Hey, he
won't clean up his mess. He won't admit
it. He's guilty, but he's going to, you
know, he's going to stop prophesying,
right? Like he's he's he's going to quit
doing a lot of these things." All he
did, I believe, was move it to the
private realm. No more videos. No more
public analysis. Privately, I'll do all
my stuff, but publicly I'll only do
these prophetic generic words and things
that are harder to test. And so that's
what he's done because he's going to get
a going to do thetick as much as he can
because the only time he gets views is
when he does prophecy stuff for the most
part.
Let's read the rest of the letter from
Bethl. In the absence of clarity about
both what really happened and some of
the words of knowledge and having
addressed the issues with his former
team members and found his response
lacking, we made the decision to step
back from our ministry connection. This
meant one, and here's where I believe
they deceive people even more. We did
not have him ministering to our people
or movement or have his materials in our
stores, though we missed some things
until recently. Remember the text
messages like, "Dude, his books are
still in your stores." So, if Shawn
gives a word of knowledge to people at
Bethl and they carry that word and they
live their life based upon that word, is
he not actively ministering to your
people in your movement unless you do
something to undo it? They didn't do
anything though. Number two, we
communicated our concern, confusion, and
his denials to the leaders. Confusion.
Wait, confusion? Did you tell the
leaders you were confused or that Shawn
was guilty? Cuz Chris made it sound like
you told him that he was guilty, but you
don't want to admit he's guilty now.
Maybe because of Bill Johnson. And Bill
Johnson's like, "No, you got to be nice
to Shawn."
So, the letter has to be written this
way. This doesn't look like what
happened. Stacy Campbell says says it,
"Dude, Chris, eat me. I don't trust
him." No, he I won't have anything to do
with him. You didn't just communicate
concern and confusion and his denials.
to the leaders who initially raised
concerns about the words of knowledge
with us as well as to leaders closely
connected to Shawn and made the evidence
available to them for them to make their
own decision. You know, a leader, a
leader that was closely connected to
Shawn is Elijah Stevens who said, "Hey,
I heard Shawn was faking these things.
No, you guys haven't told me anything
about this. Is it true?" And Dan Fairley
like I don't know anything about it. And
then Chris doesn't tell him. He doesn't
tell him.
He didn't give him the evidence. He
didn't make it available to him.
This was all right. Number three, we
firmly admonished and warned him and he
responded by making some changes in both
of these areas. What does that even
mean, some changes? He just went
underground with it, guys. We made it a
clear goal or we made it clear that
global leaders were concerned and
watching closely. This is cloak and
dagger stuff.
What happened was global leaders just
backed off of Sean because he's now
lepous and there's people in the wings
that might at any point expose him or
Mike Winger might make a video about it
and use their use their testimonies and
so we don't want to be around him
because then we're going to get drug
into it. Well, it's it's too late. You
are drugged into it. These were all
clear boundaries that produce some of
the necessary changes. What does that
even mean? 1 Timothy 5:20 and and are
they necessary changes if you don't know
if he's even guilty or not? How are
they? This makes no sense. Are they
necessary changes? But if he isn't
guilty, then they're not necessary. You
should be defending him. 1 Timothy 5:20,
ah, this is the theme verse for this
whole thing. It says, "To publicly
rebuke elders who continue in sin."
We weren't entirely clear what was
happening in the words of knowledge and
unaware of the scope of his issues with
his former team members, but believed he
changed his behavior. Wait, what? We
don't we don't know what we don't even
know if he did anything, but but he
changed. Was
this schizophrenic? How did this how was
this written? And the work environment
going forward after our confrontation.
So we didn't did not make a public
statement. In the past, we've only
brought public admonition to those
outside of our organization in cases
where no acknowledgement and change has
taken place after correction. There was
no real acknowledgement and there was no
proper change. Okay. Yes, it was some
change. He's going to be not invited to
our conferences anymore. There's a
change. Sean just kept going though.
Later on, he eventually stops doing the
some of the videos and some of the stuff
um publicly, but no, don't call that
change. That's not fair. We empathize.
We empathize with those who are confused
and disappointed over this situation.
I'm not confused. I am disappointed. We
feel the same. No, stop. You cannot put
yourself in that role. This is a tender,
confusing, and complex situation. As it
stands, our trust in Shawn is still
unrepaired. Having Why is it unrepaired
if you don't know if he's guilty or not?
Having privately admonished him, this
letter is only intended to clarify the
journey we are on. What did you admonish
him privately? According to this letter,
according to what Chris told others
reportedly, uh we know what you
admonished him about. It was uh you need
to repent. You're you're messed up.
You're a liar. You're just you've
deceiving people. Um and you can't have
anything to do with this. But privately,
according to this letter, the
admonishment would be something like hey
man, if you're guilty, you should
probably do something about it. So this
letter is only intended to clarify the
journey we were on and the steps we've
taken to given that it is now a wider
conversation. Right? So confirmation
that this letter is sent out as a as a I
will call it a damage control method
because it's all public now because
people know because text messages
privately given were sent out to the
public and people were like you guys did
what what was going on behind the
scenes. We receive and value the
feedback that our actions may have been
too subtle and difficult to decipher.
They don't I don't think they realize
how annoying it would be for people to
read this document.
It feels very much um gaslighty and that
it would have been more helpful to at
least openly acknowledge that we were
creating distance with Shawn due to our
concerns. We acknowledge we have more to
learn in handling situations outside of
our staff environment with greater
clarity and have been working for the
last several months on standardized
procedures for hearing and responding to
concerns in order to create an even
healthier church culture. I don't I
don't trust that.
Words of knowledge are a significant and
important element of conveying the heart
of God, demanding high levels of
integrity, accountability, and
responsibility. And our work
environments and team relationships must
be full of holiness, respect,
appropriate behavior, and safety such
that they reflect the joy and glory of
God. We pray that the Holy Spirit brings
wisdom, humility, comfort, and
instruction to each of us. Signed, Bethl
leadership.
They don't believe in the accountability
and responsibility or the integrity
part. I don't think you guys believe in
that. I don't I don't believe you do.
This came off to many people as very
much damage control. Uh a lot of the
alumni I understand were pretty upset
with it. Certainly Sean's victims were
upset. Certainly people like Jubilee
Dawn or Elijah were certainly upset.
This is deceptive even about Elijah.
Really, really bad stuff. And again, the
witnesses said if you don't put they
they had the word harassment in there.
They said, "If you don't call it sexual
harassment, we're going to go public."
And then they put it in there with all
the technicalities and caveats. So Bethl
knew. He knew they knew and and and it's
confirmed now through lots of different
evidence. They knew about the sexual
allegations against Shawn in late 2021
and into early 2022. For sure they knew
about it by then. Danny reached out to
one of my witnesses who confirmed it. So
there was multiple witnesses as they
mentioned in this letter. They confirmed
that that is in fact true. Chris then
confronted Shawn in 2021 and that's when
everybody started cancelling Shawn,
right? When you have these people in the
wings who were like, "Guys, can you go
public? Patricia King, can you go
public? Jayon, can you go public? Can
you guys please go public?" So now
there's this threat of things going
public. And that is when that is when
supposedly all this stuff really really
went down. But there's Jason Smmedley.
Now Jason experienced some of this stuff
himself. Let me bring it up. He says the
following. This is actually in a in a a
post that just recently was made u where
Jason says like he responded to me on
Twitter and I was very glad he did cuz
I'd heard from other people about Jason
and that Jason had in uh 2015 he started
to record Shawn's words because he
suspected that they were he was getting
him off social media and then 2016 he's
doing this more. He's starting to tell
more and more people about it. And that
is after that is when Paul Kane comes
after him and here he talks about it. He
says, "I was at Bethl back when they
first gave Shawn a platform, and I'm
100% convinced they intentionally
promoted him, knowing full well he was a
false prophet. My experience confronting
this situation led to a nervous
breakdown. Paul Kaine came after me. The
whole thing was crazy." And Jason
certainly has a story to tell. This
video is too long, so I'm not going to
try and do all that. But I will say I've
been uh connected with him a little bit
on on on on social media. We've been
talking a bit and I do believe him. I
heard about him months and months ago
and I was so glad that he actually spoke
out.
There's emails and evidence that he has
as well that maybe at some point will go
public. That's up to Jason if he wants
to do that. No pressure on you, man. You
you can just go on live with your live
your life if you want. But I think
enough has come out that people people
can't hide it anymore. They understand
that the Bethl statement was garbage.
That Sean's statement was deceitful and
manipulative um and not real. So here's
my conjecture.
I think Bethl is simply okay with a
certain amount of faking of prophecy and
of healings. I just I really believe
this. I'm convinced of it. They just are
okay with it. They don't mind. They
don't mind at all. And that is systemic
in the charismatic movement amongst the
people that are especially connected to
Bethl. When you look at people like
Jesus Image, you look at people like
Morning Star and IHOP, there's just a
willingness to be okay. I talked to uh
John O'Hal who was a former leader part
of IHOP and he told me that it was
standard practice among the Kansas City
prophets. These are like the foundation
guys from Morning Star and Bethl and um
uh and IHOP that the standard practice
for these guys was that it was okay to
be wrong 70% of the time it was simply
no big deal. This causes abuses. They
see it as hamburger helper. I did my
interview with Jediah Hartley where he
talks about his dad who is Bob Hartley
who is part of Bethl and part of IHOP
and how he he not only was faking
prophecy on the regular but that
everyone does it and it's okay. It's
hamburger helper is the phrase he used.
>> And the theory was that my dad was 90%
prophetic and then 20 or 10% was this
hamburger helper. That's what they used
to call it. hamburger helper. Um, that
was a term Bob Jones used, Mike Bickl
used, other individuals used to talk
about the sort of adding a little flavor
to the meat to make it a more complete
meal. That was the idea. Um, and so my
dad would, it didn't take me, it took me
until I was like in my mid20s before I
grew like enough awareness to realize,
no, the whole thing is fraudulent. It's
not 90% God and 10% man. It just the
whole thing is a gimmick and be like
just because everyone is doing this in
the community doesn't mean that it's
okay or it's right. The defense of this
sort of prophetic
um fraud for lack of a better word was
that everyone did it. So
his mentors Paul Kaine and Bob Jones uh
who were huge figures in the sort of
prophetic movement um would do things
like this. They would get information
from non-ivine means and then they would
pretend like it was from God. This was
before the age of Facebook, but
specifically Paul Kaine had a genealogy
program that he had installed on his
computer that he was would look up
people's genealogy. And so he would have
specific prophecies about grandfathers
and and lines. Like if you just had the
name, you could kind of find very
specific information. So,
so one of the defenses that my dad gave
was that everyone does it. The second
was this hamburger helper defense, which
was not to totally defend it, but it was
to contextualize it. It was the idea was
that it's not good. We shouldn't do it,
but everyone does it a little bit. It's
okay. It's just this idea of like the
meat is still God. Most of it is still
God, but then we'll add some extra
fabrication
just to add a little sizzle. Prophecy is
hard. It makes it more palatable for
people. So, when you're caught with it,
it's like, you're right. I should stop
doing it. But it's not like this
invalidates my entire ministry. This is
some huge thing. It's kind of like,
you know, getting caught speeding or
something like that. It's like we
shouldn't do it. Yeah,
>> but it's understandable and it makes
sense. And Mike Bickl and Bob Jones
would talk about it in the same way
behind closed doors in front of in front
of camera. Like Mike talked about it and
he used it in a slightly more in a
slightly different sense to be like
there's a lot of fakers out there, but I
don't pay attention to the fakers. I
just pay attention to the people who are
genuine.
But that's not how it was used. It was
everyone has a little of the fake and
everyone has a little of the
>> because I know that I know the value of
genuine manifestations. They're real.
Again, I've seen and it hadn't happened
to me, but I've seen people thrashed
around and I've seen people thrown
against walls and across rooms and and
I've seen a lot of fake, but I've seen a
lot of real. The real's worth it. I will
allow the fake. I don't want the fake on
the platform because I I don't want to
promote the fake, but I'll allow the
fake in the room because I so believe in
the genuine. I've had people say that
over the years, you know, they said, you
know, you know, I've had students, you
know, some of this seems fake. I go, "It
is." They go, "What?" I go, "Most of
it's fake." Go, "What do you mean?" I
said, "I've been watching this 40 years.
Most places that I've been, the majority
of the manifestations are not caused by
the Holy Spirit." They go, "Really?" But
I said, "But the problem is not all
fake." And the genuine is in our midst.
And I will allow a whole lot of
Hamburger Helper to allow the genuine
take place. I said, "I won't promote it,
but I will allow it because the genuine
is so important to the kingdom of God."
But that always throws off people if
they're young and new at this. They go,
"It is fake." I go, "Yeah." I go just,
you know, don't be so open-minded your
brains fall out. You can understand that
the real and the genuine and the fake
all exist together in one setting. And
it's that way everywhere. There's
nothing unique here. It's not any
different here than anywhere. It's that
way everywhere. I've I've been in
revival, renewal, Holy Spirit settings
in many countries. So, I believe in
prophecies, dreams, visions, healings.
I've seen the manifestations of the Holy
Spirit so powerful, so real. Some of
them bizarre, but real. I've seen a lot
of people fake them in our community.
healings, dreams, visions, all that
stuff. But you know what I do? I am so
zealous for the real. I'm so hungry for
the real that I don't get offended by
what I call the hamburger helper and the
the addited extra. Some people fake them
blatantly. Some people don't fake them.
They're genuinely seeking them, but
still the experience isn't real, though
the people are genuine. There's all
kinds of categories, but I am not
throwing away the real because humans
are involved. And there's some of that
other stuff.
>> For anybody who's still at this stage is
thinking, you know, maybe he's right.
Maybe it was like mostly real and only
somewhat fake. You know, Mike was a guy
of integrity and he really tried to
steward well the prophetic. Allow me to
read to you from the Kansas City Star.
This is about the independent
investigation that showed Mike Bickl had
17 victims. This just recently happened
and it came out, but he's been doing it
for decades. I read here from the report
of the Kansas City Star talking about
the independent investigation. It says,
"The 68page report names the woman
identified as Jane Doe, whose
allegations about Bickl were made public
in October 2023, causing upheaval in the
247 global prayer movement, that's IHOP,
and inspiring other women to come
forward." Deborah Perkins said that
Bickl used prophecies to groom, sexually
abuse, and manipulate her from 1996 to
1999, starting when she was 19 and he
was 42. She said Bickl told her
repeatedly that God had spoken to him
saying his wife Diane was going to die
and that they would then be married.
This turns out to be something that Mike
Bickl said to a lot of women and there
are 17 victims, not witnesses, victims
that have come forward uh in the report.
I read on it says two other women later
came forward and said Bickl used a
nearly identical prophecy in grooming
them.
Mike Bickl,
he called it hamburger helper. It was
much much worse than that. This was just
standard practice amongst these core
guys who became the foundation that has
spilled over into modern day Bethl. I
think that Bethl, Bill Johnson, these
guys fully know that the regular faking
of prophecy and healings is present.
Now, I have more evidence. I'm going to
present to you even today more evidence
because this video is never going to end
and I'm never going to go to bed and I'm
losing my voice and I'm not done yet.
But I need to share it all and I hate
making these videos. I'd rather just
dump it all into one video and and move
on. Um, but this causes abuses. This
attitude of allowing the fakery of
prophecy and the abuse of the people,
the body of Christ, the abuse of your
own people who follow you and trust you
and look at you as as as you know, Papa
Bill. This creates abuses for them
because it creates a culture of cover up
and turns people's eyes blind and causes
people to then be raised up who are what
that it means that the top leaders in
the movements will always be frauds
because no one can compete with the
number of miracles that a guy can who's
faking can get. This is why Todd White
can rise up in your environment and you
don't correct him.
This is why when people reach out and
say, "Hey Bethl, will you help us hold
Todd accountable?" You will never ever
do it because it would undermine the
whole house of cards. fake prophecy,
fake miracles, fake healings,
celebrate them as true. I'm not saying
every prophecy is fake or every healing
or every miracle sake. Not at all. I'm
saying that the environment wherein you
encourage and embrace the fakery is an
environment that is not honoring to
Christ. It is harmful and dangerous to
people and it raises up frauds in your
midst. And it will always do it over and
over and over again. You celebrate the
fakes because that's what it takes. Who
cares if those feathers are really angel
feathers? Let's just pretend they are
because man, people are flying to our
church from all around the world now
that they think that angel feathers are
showing up in our building, that gold
dust is materializing from thin air
because of the glory cloud of God. I
think you're okay with it being fake. I
think you don't mind, Bill. Chris, I
think you don't care.
I think there's some line people cross
where you go, you know what? You're out,
Sean. But is that line faking or is that
line not faking well enough to get away
with it?
What are they really getting in trouble
for?
So Shawn wasn't exposed because it's so
pervasive. And I think I believe that
this is fed by revival culture. Um you
have to have more miracles than the
other church. You have to be the place
where people want to visit. People have
to come to your place. This Jesus image
does really works really hard to be like
this is the hub. This is where the Holy
Spirit's moving. Morning star. This will
be the center of the new revival. God's
going to start a revival in America. Bob
Jones told us morning star is going to
be the start. So people are supposed to
move out there. Bethl, come to Reading.
Bill, I I'll share a prophecy he gives
here, a false prophecy encouraging
people to move to Reading because they
all want to be the place where people
come. Right? Remember the rich people,
come live with me. No, come live with
me. God is calling you. Now, when you
add to all of this Bethl's track record
with things like the physics of heaven
controversy or um with Brian Simmons and
the Passion translation and the
ridiculous and silly and bad things that
were done in relation to that, there's
just problem after problem there. There
is a network of fake prophecy going on
in the movement. You've got Bob Jones
who faked. I I'll have more stuff on Bob
Jones in the future. You've got Paul
Kaine. you've who just helped us to
raise up and then defend Shawn BS and
keep him from being exposed earlier on.
Mike Bickl, you have William Brandham,
you have Bob Hartley, you have Chris
Reed, more on that who tried to bribe
the guys from the Remnant Radio when
they were trying to expose him for being
a fake prophet.
>> But there is other allegations that we
are aware of that have come to us.
>> This will be news for the public.
>> Be news for everyone. Nobody knows this.
So you might have heard us online talk
about knowing that someone has cheated
prophetically.
allegations were brought to us um from
multiple sources. So, we had logged a
bunch of information suggesting that
Chris Reed had mined information online
in his prophetic words. We were informed
that Rick Joiner knew about this data
mining that that Chris had already
confessed this even before taking the
job at Morning Star. And so, we said,
"Yeah, but what have you done to make it
right with the victims?" But the there
was a couple of other things that
happened in this exchange. one, I got
some really when when Chris he found out
that I was asking questions about him
that I was poking around. One of the
people that I had interviewed and asked
questions about called up Chris and told
him what I was doing. Chris then sent me
some really strange text. Hey, I know
that you're investigating me. Hey, I
know that
and and there was like a offer to give
me money via PayPal, which is exactly
what he did.
>> Yeah. Well, it was through PayPal,
through cash app, what's your Vinmo? It
was all those kind of things. And when
we confronted Chris about that, he said,
'Well, you know, I just kind of had this
idea that you're supposed to bless those
who persecute you, and I felt like you
guys were persecuting me about something
that I had already repented for and
tried to own. What was also happening
was that there was information that we
didn't know that there was these other
allegations of grooming this woman who
was a student at the school of ministry
at Morning Star that he had done the
same thing, offered her money. you know,
there was it was like one allegation was
siloed from the other allegation and
those who were bringing this allegation
forward didn't know about this other one
over here. And so what you're seeing is
collectively this is a person who's
caught and is trying to get his way out
of it without it becoming public. And
even in the midst of this, I I begged
Chris, I said, "Chris, I I don't know
what the right answer is. I do think
this needs to be made public. I'm
begging you to make this public." He
said, "I understand." I said, "Listen,
this is going to haunt you the rest of
your life. Either you do this or someone
will."
>> Who who I just saw a video yesterday of
him apparently faking speaking in
tongues in Russian because it seems he
knew there would be a Russian guy
present. So, he says a phrase in Russian
that is like, "You should move and come
to this church." And he says, "That's
for the online audience. God's calling
you to move and come to my church." Same
old, same old. Right? It's always move
here, move here. That's the That's the
That's the big thing. I can't
just let go until I feel the release of
the Holy Spirit.
>> Now, this video was just sent to me. It
actually just happened at Chris Reed's
new church. And somebody who quote has
been close to Chris Reed for a few years
now. Sent this to me. I have to read
carefully what he said. This is what I
was told. He believes this to be false
and was concerned enough to raise the
alarm. He reached out to somebody and
sent the video which then ended up with
me. This is someone that thought what
Chris did here was so bad and so wrong
that he needed to raise the alarm. So
let me show you the reason why this is
cause for concern.
Now he's waiting for interpretation and
at first no one speaks and then a woman
is congregation gives an interpretation
that
doesn't satisfy Chris.
>> Yeah.
And so
as you seek these things
deal with them in your own heart and by
the spirit and by my word.
So, because this isn't the
interpretation he wants, he's waiting
for more.
>> Man, there's a weight of glory.
>> He decides to say it again. And if you
look, it looks very clearly like he's
reading this off of the platform in
front of him.
This woman actually goes to interpret it
again.
>> And so you see it will be like this. You
will deal with those things in the
spirit and it will be released in.
>> What's funny here is this is a different
interpretation than the one she brought
before even though he said the exact
same thing. and you will know me and
they will see the love of God in you and
declare Christ is in their midst.
>> Hallelujah.
>> Russia.
>> Say it again.
>> Russian.
>> Get somebody get him a mic. Please help
me. Back there. Back there.
>> So this is the pivot moment. This guy
says, "It's Russian." And immediately
Chris says, "Say it again." This is
This, I believe, is what he was waiting
on the whole time. You're going to see
this was a well orchestrated, planned
out thing. So, this comes with a
request, right? The woman did not get a
microphone. Not at all. He just let her
talk. What happens when Chris sees that
there's a guy who says it's Russian? He
gets very excited. He gets him a
microphone.
And notice that right there, he goes
rakataka. Normally when this guy speaks
in tongues, he speaks quiet. He speaks
kind of mumbly. It's fluid. Instead,
this time when he speaks in Russian, he
speaks very clearly. He doesn't speak
walking around. He speaks while looking
at his pulpit. Everything about this
looks sketchy.
>> So, it was the Russian. That's
>> Which was Russian?
>> Um, like
>> was it the one that Who gave the
Russian? You said twice. It was the same
uh sentence. It's in Russian.
I called you to be here. Why you resist
me?
>> Wow.
>> It was a twice. Said you said this twice
in Russian.
>> I said it twice.
>> Yes. The same sentence.
>> I do not know Russian.
>> Yeah.
>> You could probably tell by my accent.
>> Yeah.
And what is again I the the translation
>> I called you to be here.
>> I called you to be here.
>> Why you resist me?
>> Why do you resist me?
>> Yeah.
>> I called you to be here. Why do you
resist me? This is a request for people
to move to his church. Remember I told
you about the come here strategy? This
is part of it right here. This is Chris
Reed doing it.
That's
>> someone online.
>> Yeah.
>> And God put a Russianspeaking person
in the room to hear the tongues. Sounds
like Acts two to me.
>> We do hear these men. Are they not
Galileans? Speak in our language the
wonderful works of God. And this is
where the payoff comes because if he
gets people online, okay, this is all,
of course, all my commentary here is
based upon observation and what it looks
like to me. I think that this is
accurate. This makes the most sense and
it it fits with the the the person who
has known him for years who sent this to
us. Well, to someone who sent it to me,
I'll just say that. And this just
happened. This ju this I didn't know
about this until like yesterday. This
just happened. And this is the come here
strategy. I want I want people online to
come here. And it gets a a bit more deep
because Chris has just left Morning Star
Church. That's Rick Joiner's church. He
left kind of disgraced. Morning Star is
in a bunch of turmoil because because
Rick Joiner has put up predators and put
them into his congregation and his own
people are now suing him because of
that. So this come here thing looks like
it's directed at Morning Star and other
churches because he wants to get his own
thing going.
It goes along with what he preached.
>> What did I say one more time? I'm so
drunk.
>> Sounds to me like just knew that a
Russian speaker would be there.
>> The second time you said really well. I
mean, it was a real clear to hear. Um,
it it was like, I call you to be here.
Why you resist? Why do you resist?
>> I call you to be here. Why do you
resist?
>> We want to meet this person.
Let me tell you, there are I'm pointing
to camera three right now.
>> I say this in the fear of God. Yeah.
Right.
>> There are people,
>> you just heard a tongue go forth. And I
believe in tongues and interpretation.
That's happened here today. But we
actually have someone here who speaks
fluent Russian.
>> Translation.
>> That wasn't tongues and interpretation.
That was tongues and translation.
I don't know Russian one bit. I barely
know English.
>> But there are people that are watching
and you are invested or at least you
think you are. And you think your money
has tied you down. I've put too many
years. I've put too much money in
another thing in another place
and you're plugging holes in a sinking
ship. I'm informed that this most likely
is going to be interpreted as him
referring to Morning Star Church.
>> But the people that are in the ship
don't know it's sinking until it goes
under.
>> See, he used to be the guy at Morning
Star and he left. And now he's trying to
get people to join him
>> until
everybody that's in the ship is hoping
that it's going to stay afloat. And I'm
not speaking about any one ministry.
There are others. There are several.
There are people that God is calling
here to form this body. I've called you
here. Why do you resist?
That's what it said.
>> But man, I tell you, there are people
that are listening right now.
Don't let a lie keep you
>> from following God.
>> Again, this commentary is based upon
what looks to be the case and makes a
lot of sense with this guy's track
record. He is manipulating the people of
God. He's doing this not in the fear of
God, but for ulterior motives. And and I
feel bad for the Russian in the audience
who thinks he just participated in
something wonderful and amazing and from
the Holy Spirit.
This is why we have to blow up coverup
culture because if the leaders who had
been over and around Chris Reed would
call him out as they should, he would
never have a platform to manipulate
people like this. You've got who else
should I mention? You have uh Rick
Joiner,
serial equipper of abusers who doesn't
protect victims and actually shames. He
actually ended up firing the guy who
tried to expose Todd Bentley who was
trying to make a herum of women
saying he had a David anointing.
So he he's these foreign for foreign
women. I won't say what country they're
from. And he reaches out to them
privately, gets their numbers and starts
texting them. Finally, they tell their
pastor. Their pastor tells this
individual who tries to expose and get
accountability and he gets fired because
of Rick Joiner. What about Augugustine
Aala and his history with the movement
or Todd White who still is continuing on
even though he's been exposed and they
know he's guilty. They just don't care.
Um that's my view on it anyways. Benny
Hinn. Oh my goodness. Benny Hinn. Beny
Hinn who has his birthday parties at
Jesus image in their secret building. No
one's allowed to take pictures of Beny
Hen. How about Michael Kulanos? Yeah,
you. Michael Kulanos, Kenneth Copeland,
and on and on and on. Now, I believe in
some of the smaller charismatic guys,
the guys who don't have these gigantic
ministries. When I've looked into these
giant ministries, I have routinely found
the ones who have like the the big signs
and wonders ones, the ones who are like,
"No, we have the amazing miracles nobody
has." I have found routinely that
there's a lot of fakery and deception
and problems. That's what I have found
over and over again. It's a trend. That
doesn't mean that nobody can be genuine.
I will never make that mistake of
thinking everyone's a fraud because
there's a bunch of people that are
frauds. That is a fallacy. We shouldn't
do that. Okay? There's a bunch of fake
religions, but there's one true one.
There are fake charis charismatic
leaders and there are real true good
charismatic leaders. The question is in
a culture like this with coverup
culture, how do you find the real ones?
And your safest bet is to just be very
cautious and very careful and very
thoughtful about these things. I know
some leaders who I personally believe in
and I do trust and even if we don't
agree on everything I trust them, right?
I don't think they would lie. I don't
think they would deceive. I don't think
that they would manipulate. I think that
they have ministered to people
powerfully through the work of the Holy
Spirit. I think they're real. But none
of those names I just listed, that's for
sure. So consider the following example.
Actually said I had more on Bob Jones.
I'll share some on Bob Jones right now.
I have more on Bob Jones in the future
about the clock, the magic clock that
happened when Bob was dying that they
said was a sign from God and it was not.
It was not I I'll tell you the story
about that some other time.
So, here's why I bring Bob Jones into it
at this point. I want you to understand
that the culture of coverup exists
because if you pull one thread like
Shawn Bulls and you expose him openly
and publicly for what he's done, you
expose your whole foundation to the same
kind of exposure and problems. For
example, Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones his
impact. I'll I'll let Shawn BS tell you
about Bob Jones's Bob Jones's impact
here. Let me do it that way because you
do need to know this to understand what
coverup culture is. I had a word when I
was 15 years old from a friend of mine
and she said one day in worship time she
looks at me she says you're going to
meet Bob Jones and when you do your
whole life will change but this man was
in involved with Morning Star Ministries
with Rick Joiner prophesied the
buildings they have and what they're
doing IHOP with international spread
Mike Bickl prophesied the house of
prayer movement you know Bethl school of
ministry prophesied that with pastor
Bill Johnson Chris Valatin Luingle with
a call and a send he helped prophesy
those into being so this man has had a
prophetic history of movements and
launching leaders around the body of
Christ when he gives people words.
I have
>> that's the Bob Jones guy, right? Bob
Jones was this quirky kind of hillbilly
looking dude talk kind of funny and he
would prophesy to people and he is at
the founding. So when Bethl tells the
story of how their school of
supernatural ministry gets started,
guess who is part of it? Bob Jones.
Prophetically part of it. He's part of
their prophetic history. Because all
these people want a prophetic history.
This is this is a big deal. Okay, we've
got our anointing. In fact, Chris
Valadin says that his he was supposed to
get Bob Jones's mantle, meaning his like
prophetic anointing when Bob died. Now,
I' I've seen video where Bob Jones goes,
"Nobody's going to get my mantle. Nobody
gets my mantle. Get your own mantle."
I've heard him say this, right? But
Chris publicly has said, "Bob Jones
said, "I get his mantle." Right? They're
tying their current ministry to his
anointing when they do this. Lots of
ministries have done it. That's the
impact of Bob Jones. Now, Bob Jones was
not a great guy. Bob Jones was a
disaster and he caused a lot of
problems. I'll talk a little bit about
that. Um, but I'll say this. When you
have a prophecy from Bob Jones talking
about God doing an amazing work in your
midst, right? Like when he says,
"Morning Star will be the beginning of
the great next the next great revival. I
saw a vision of a man. and he was laying
on the and his head was right where
Morning Star is on the map of the United
States. And he's going to be this new
man, the new, you know, Latter-day
Saints rising up. And I said Latter- Day
Saints, it's not what I meant. The new
um end times believers rising up.
Anyways, Bob Jones prophesied. So,
Morning Star can use can use this for
fundraising.
You know, be part of what God is doing.
Invest in what the work of the Lord is.
We have a prophecy about this. Bill
Johnson could use this for fundraising.
You can take the credibility that Bob
never should have had that he that he
had because of cover-up culture and you
can use this to do fundraising. So if
you pull that thread, there's a cost to
exposing it. So one of the things Bob
did, which I mentioned earlier, was he
took two women and he prophesied to them
that God was going to call them to I'm
going to use the details here a little
bit, guys, so forgive me. This is going
to get gross. Um he told these two
women, a mother and daughter, that God
was giving them a special Sarah
anointing and that they were going to
like nurse movements or something like
that. And so they had to take off the
their clothing, the top of their
clothing, and he
he sucked on them. Okay, that's what he
did. This is what this this man did.
Then because there were two of them,
this thing went out. They were like
this, you know, they felt it was wrong.
They decided to to expose it. Other
people were were mad, too. John Whimber
was really mad because he had just
partnered with Mike Bickl. This was like
1991 I think. He had just partnered with
Bickl. He brought Bickl in. Bickl
brought in um into the vineyard movement
in like all these other profit guys.
Augustine Acca who ended up being a
predator. Uh Paul Kaine who ended up
being a predator who faked prophecy and
even Chuck Smith knew about that. Um and
uh these other guys. So Bob Jones was a
big one. He was one of the Kansas City
prophets. Big deal.
Publicly there was an apology that went
out. Bob is he's getting better. He's
reformed. Privately, Bob was telling
people, I'll allege this. I think this
is true. Privately, Bob was telling
people he is quote more anointed than
ever. There's a delusional man. He was
told if he didn't leave Kansas, like
move out of the he was going to get
sued. This is what I've what I've been
told.
He was mad at John Wimber because John
Wimber was requiring accountability. I
think Mike Bickl would have swept this
under the rug because he swept his own
sin under the rug for decades even after
this. But and Paul Kanes uh but I think
he was mad at John Wimber because John
Wimber had enough integrity to go no no
no no no no you're you're done. This is
wrong and he ended up regretting that he
had ever connected Vineyard to this
movement to these guys.
Now he didn't he wasn't public enough
about that but that was that was the
case.
So Bob's mad at John Wimber. So Bob
prophesies that LA is going to be
destroyed and everybody should get out
of there. He's using prophecy as a
weapon. Bob Scott tells a story in his
book. Some say they some say they
blundered. Um, and I think it's in the
book or it might have been in a private
conversation I had with Bob. I'm trying
to remember now, but Bob Scott tells a
story of how Bob Jones actually made up
a prophecy just to attack Bob's
character because he was mad at him. Bob
regularly used prophecy prophecy to
manipulate people. It wasn't just this
one case. Now, they did get he did get
exposed and it was sort of publicly
known, although the details were not
publicly stated in any kind of way, but
it was sort of known, right? Here's the
question I have. When Bob Jones was
exposed, did they ever do an
investigation to find out how many
victims he had, or was it only these two
women that we ever found out about? Did
he have a victim in 1990, another one in
1982, another one in 1995?
Did he have another one years later?
Because Bob was reinstated back into
ministry. He was serving. He was being
invited to Bethl. He was prophesying to
them. He was prophesying to their school
of ministry people.
And here years and years later, Shawn BS
is like, "Ba, what a great guy. He's a
little quirky and he had one mistake."
But that is not the real story. That's
cover-up culture that is deceptive. Let
me give you another example of coverup
culture. Bill is, I believe, captured by
these false prophets because the
scripture says that these these men are
deceiving and they are deceived. It
describes certain men. And I think that
that description, at least that part of
it, applies to Bill as well. I think
he's deceiving and deceived.
Here's an example of Shawn BS doing his
shtick with Bill Johnson
um regarding his dad.
I just saw in heaven what's happening in
a heavenly scenario and I've seen Bob
Jones talk to somebody that's kind of
weirding me out but in a good way. I
don't know who the person is. I've never
met him the person he's talking to. But
um I start seeing a map and I'm driving
like I'm I'm on
Olive Street and you turn right and
there's Gold Street and then you turn
right and there's Oakridge Street.
Does this make sense to somebody?
>> Your mom lives on like Oakidge Street.
>> Gold Olive. Olive. Then you turn right
and you turn right at Gold Street.
determine why it's Oakidge Street.
>> It sounds like he couldn't remember the
street order as well and so he jumbled
it up a bit, but now he's trying to kind
of rescue it cuz he knows the end result
is he's got to get to Bill Johnson's
parents' house, right? Cuz that that's
where this prophecy is going to going to
connect.
>> That's exactly right. Um so, so God's
talking to somebody, but I don't think I
don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this
man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or
something?
>> His name is Melvin Earl.
Wow.
>> His dad is Melvin. Earl Johnson.
>> So his dad would always go with uh Earl
Johnson. That's why everybody called him
Earl. But his actual first name was
Melvin. And so he goes, Bob was talking
to somebody. Oh, I just I I the streets.
It was your parents house. But it
couldn't have been your dad he was
talking to cuz your dad's not Melvin.
Your dad's Earl. And now he has he's
wait he's prompted Bill. Now he's
waiting for Bill to explain it. What?
He's he's His name is
Earl and Melvin. Let's watch that again.
I want you to see it. See how he sets it
up and see how the response comes.
>> That's exactly right. Um, so, so God's
talking to somebody, but I don't think I
don't Your dad's name is Earl, but this
man's name is like Alvin or Melvin or
something.
>> His name is Melvin Earl.
>> Wow.
>> His dad is Melvin or Alvin or Melvin or
something. Guys,
>> his name is Melvin Earl.
>> Wow.
>> His dad is Melvin Earl Johnson.
>> So Bob Jones and Melvin Earl are talking
to each other. Um, Gold Street and I saw
your dad. Now I know it's your dad. It's
like I saw he lives.
>> So now he's going to continue to
prophesy. He's like, "Oh yeah, I saw Bob
and your dad talking to each other. He's
witnessing this in heaven. He's
communicating with those who have died
and and he gets this this this prophecy
related to the street names." Okay, Gold
Street and all this
>> on Gold Street. No, but on in the
natural is Oh, great. That makes sense.
>> Uh there's Danny Silk to his left and
Chris Ballatin on his right.
You guys should all three of you should
be very angry at Sean. He is he is lying
to Bill. He's even using his shtick on
Bill. Does is is Bill doing this thing
where like you knowingly participate or
he unknowingly is participating? That's
the question. I I am beginning to think
he's knowingly participating, but but I
don't know for sure. Um, but it's crazy
that he had the kutzbah to do this to
like the number one guy uh in Bethl and
one of the number one guys in the
charismatic church. Um, but you have to
go down gold street you need the
resources. So the anointing is going to
produce the resources in this next
season. And I saw the Lord saying that
there's a there's
>> that creates fundraising by the way when
when you have a prophecy the anointing
is going to produce the resources and
then you then the rich people are like
it's time it's time for me to give and
invest. You know that's what it does.
There's a release like I said just like
a Bob Jones word. It was exactly how he
would give a word. So this is this is
literal. Yeah. And there's a release of
uh great provision that's coming out of
the anointing to plant the oaks. Bill,
you're going to you're going to get it.
But there's the anointing to produce the
gold to produce the oaks of
righteousness is coming. And and Bob and
your dad are talking about this
>> vagaries.
Vagaries.
What's it? What's the result of it? It's
super specific knowledge about like I
know your dad's real first name. That's
what you really got here. I know your
dad's first name and where he lived.
What is the actual result? Money will
come and the oaks and the right and that
you'll you'll understand something cool
something cool is coming. So he's
actually doing this to Bill. I think
Bill is actually deceived. Bill talks
again. He talks about how he replays
prophecies from Shambles on his phone.
He plays them back to him just to listen
to them. And um I'm under the impression
that he's very captured by this. That
he's both deceiving and deceived.
Both of them.
Let me mention Paul Kaine cuz now what
I'm trying to do is I'm trying to show
you guys there's a larger pattern with
coverup culture. Shawn Bulls is just the
rabbit that we chase down the hole. It
just gets bigger and worse as you go.
And hopefully now you realize you're
down the hole too and you realize that
the charismatic world when it comes to
guys groups like Bethl and Morning Star
and IHOP, it is wonderland. It is not
the real world.
Paul Kaine,
Paul Kaine was exposed by one of his
close confidants. Man, I don't know how
much this I should even share with you
guys. I'll tell you some of it. Um,
a guy named Jack Deer. Jack Deer finally
came out years and years later to reveal
that Paul Kane, who was considered one
of the Kansas City prophets, one of the
big dogs. He says, "My desire for power
enabled Paul Kane's manipulation." And
here he comes out and he tells some of
the story and you could read through it.
You could check this out on your own. Um
it is uh I mean you just Google that. My
desire for power enabled Paul Kane's
manipulation by Jack Deer on the divine
detours substack. Um he goes through a
bunch of details. He talks about a bunch
of stuff. Paul Kane helped to prop up
guys like Mike Bickl. Mike Bickl would
gather these fake prophets around him
and then use them. It was it was a
stickick. And you realize that if you if
if you don't have to be the prophet, you
can gather the prophets, right? You can
be the apostle. That's what Mike Bick
was. Then you gather the prophets around
you and they prophesy things to you and
then you tell other people about them
and then everybody comes alongside. Is
that not the same thing I just saw
happen on stage with Shawn BS
prophesying to Bill Johnson in front of
everybody? So it makes him look like the
anointed one of God and all this kind of
thing. It's mutually beneficial
relationship.
Very importantly,
Jack Deer says our eventual compromise
resulted in a statement. He's speaking,
by the way, of uh Paul came when he was
exposed for great sin.
Um being predatory behavior, fake
prophecy. Sound familiar? Um he says,
"Our eventual compromise resulted in a
statement that downplayed the reality of
Paul's actions, portraying them as
temporary moral failings rather than
acknowledging the truth of his lifelong
predatory behavior." That's what he says
in this article. And I think it's
important to recognize that sounds like
Bethl with BS or Bethl with Bob Hartley.
that there is a downplaying when the
statement finally comes out comes out.
It's more like self-p protection. Uh
Jack Deer also has an article uh on Mike
Bickl and his issues and I'll just show
you the screenshot of it so you can take
a look at it if you want where he talks
about some of it. Now these are
insiders, okay? Um it's important when
they do come out and I'm glad when they
do. But now I need to talk about a new
section here in the video. Bethl's
pattern of lack of accountability.
And that's putting it mildly. Let me
talk about the Show Me the Toes
controversy. Does that sound more
interesting? The Show Me the Toes
controversy. Now, Bill was a guest
teacher at John Lindell's James River
Church. You may have heard of James
River Church. They were in the news
recently because him um John Lindell and
uh Mark Driscoll had like a spat and
they were calling each other names or
something weird like that. and it was
about like some guy who was dancing like
almost like a male stripper at their
men's event and I am not talking about
that today but you may have heard of him
because of that. Um I think it was that
same guy James Lindell. So Bill was
speaking at James Lindell's church. Now
James Lindell loves Bill Johnson. They
are like tight. When I made a video a
while back where I talked about Bethl
and some of the issues with like the
physics of heaven, I think it was that
video. John Lindell went public to his
congregation and to all of the people
they influenced. I didn't even talk
about it publicly, but he went public
and he said, "Don't even watch a
negative video about Bill Johnson. I
don't want to hear any of that stuff."
He said something to that effect. So, he
doesn't want people watching it. Like,
information control, thought control.
Don't even think about it. You see no
video. Mike Winger does not exist. His
videos do not exist. Do not consider
them. So, they're tight. Now, Bill was
at John Lindell's church and he taught
about creative miracles. Creative
miracles meaning like growing back, I
don't know, some toes. And so he taught
about creative miracles and then he says
supposedly tons of people were healed
and Bill talks about it in a video that
is still on their YouTube channel. I
just want to double check. Is it still
there? I'll just double check.
Yes, it is still there. Here, I'll just
I'll show you guys. This is currently
still on their YouTube channel. Um, and
that's the title of it. Oh, you can't
see the title of it. Scroll down. It
says Bethl Church Service. Haley Braun
sermon worship with Brian and Jen
Johnson. That's the name. It was
streamed 2 years ago, March 19th, 2023.
Oh, and you can donate to them. There's
a little donate button right here. You
guys can donate. Um, so here's the
thing. Bill is here back at his home
church talking about the experience he
had at John Lindell's church, James
River Church. So, he's giving the
testimony. This isn't the video of him
at the church, okay? The actually the
testimony is the important part. Let me
now play for you what he said about it.
It's one of the most um incredible weeks
of my life this last week for quite a
few reasons, but one I was I was at a
great great church in Springfield,
Missouri and uh James River Church
there. Great amazing pastors. Just can't
can't speak high too high of them. We
had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of miracles over three nights.
>> Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
miracles over three nights. Usually
Bill's fake miracles come with just
claims that a whole bunch of people got
healed. A whole someone's liver is
getting healed. Raise your hand if
that's you. Amen. Praise God. Miracle.
That's all it takes. Right? So he claims
here um hundreds of miracles. But
there's one specific miracle that he's
going to highlight and we're going to
chase that trail because we want them to
show us the toes. But but the last one
is the one I want to tell you about. The
last night a woman was there who had
been shot twice by her husband. Anybody
else glad that Jesus heals the inside as
well as the outside?
>> Tragic story of this woman. Um, she had
three toes amputated as a result of
being shot, I guess, in the foot. Um,
crazy. Yeah. And because of it, she had
to have three toes amputated. And I
happened that evening to be talking
about creative miracles that we've seen.
And we just began to pray just randomly
for creative miracles. And this gal was
at one of the other campuses and said,
"I want my to do back." And so another
guy was praying for her. Took about 30
minutes, but they saw the bone come
wrapped in flesh completely grow out.
And by morning, the toenails, everything
had formed. She got three brand new
toes. Three brand new toes.
Be with me. The woman who did the
praying, her husband is a medical doctor
and he came and examined and yep, he's
got three brand new toes. So that works.
I I guess a person with the three new
toes would know, but it's also nice to
have a doctor come and check things out
and say, "Guess what? This is for real."
>> Yeah. Yeah. You don't need a doctor to
confirm whether toes exist or don't
exist. That's pretty easy to do. Um but
what a wild claim.
One with hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of miracles. I'll tell you one
story. Here's one really cool. One of
the best times of his life. He says,
"This woman had three toes. They grew
back by morning. They were fully grown.
A doctor confirmed it. Her toes. All
right, let's learn more about the toe
situation because it gets
stinky.
>> As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over
the next 30 minutes. This is John
Lindell. He's telling the story from his
own pulpit about the same lady. Okay, so
she got healed. He's going to So Bill's
Bill's using it. He's telling the story.
And now John Lindell's using it as well.
Listen to how he tells it. It's a little
different. All three toes grew and by
that point were longer than her pinky
toe.
Within an hour, nails began to grow on
all the toes
because her miracle is real. It's
genuine. What I want to assure you of is
it's real.
It's real. It's real. It's real. It's
real. So um
it is a legitimate miracle and you know
we can provide the kind of proof that
would be necessary people that
>> they can provide the proof. It would be
easy right? Show us the toes.
>> Have you seen pictures of the toes? I
have. So I've seen the picture uh of the
toes.
The picture of the toes.
So John Lindell and Bill Johnson both
presenting this as 100% true. One says
verified by a doctor here. He's they
have their timelines are both different
here, but he's saying, "Yeah, even the
nails grew back." As in there was there
wasn't even like the whatever the stuff
is that grows nails, you know, and that
didn't exist, right? The toes grew back,
the bones repaired, the the skin, the
flesh, and even the nails come in. It's
real. It's real. It's real. I promise
you it's real. We have the proof. This
is actually from John Lind. This is
super important. We know this. John
Lindell's ministry. They put this video
up of this woman. So, they're promoting
her face. They're showing her face.
They're having her tell her story. This
wasn't internet slleuth that did this.
This was them. And here's her telling
the story.
>> So, I had three toes that were amputated
in a in a terrible accident. I heard the
word for creative miracles and I
thought, well, I certainly have a
creative miracle that I
>> That was from Bill Johnson. The word for
creative miracles was Bill Johnson. So,
she's like, yeah, I want that. I might
need I need three toes to grow back. The
person next to me said, "Do you want new
toes?" And I was like, "Well, sure." All
the women got down and they prayed over
my foot and I decided to take my shoe
off to see what was happening. When he
said, "Let's see the progress or if
anything's happened." And when I did, I
had to grab the person next to me and
say, "Do you see what I see?"
>> So immediate visible change of healing
is what she's claiming. And I saw three
toes that were forming and now there's
length to them tonight. I can stand on
my tippy toes. Listen. Do you
understand? I can stand on tippy toe.
No, I couldn't do that cuz I didn't have
toes to tippy on.
>> He's playing this first congregation.
>> All right. Come on. Let's bless the
Lord. He's Jehovah Rafa.
Lord, we praise you.
You're embarrassing the name of God with
this John Lindell.
The most obvious thing to do is show us
your toes. They grew back. Show them.
Show us. Like why didn't she just take
her
thing her shoe off and her sock off and
just show like right then and there when
she's doing the interview. Instead, she
does this thing where I can stand on my
tippy toes. I couldn't do that before. I
didn't have toes. I don't know what that
means. Okay. Like you could cut off all
of my toes and I could still push up
onto the top of my foot. I I don't know
what that means. Okay.
But it's proof. There's proof. There's
proof. Now people are asking. They're
like, "Dude, you guys are Look, 468,000
views of just the short of you guys
putting this. I think this might have
been Instagram or I don't know what this
was. Is that Twitter? I don't remember.
Um, whichever one it was, that's just
one spot where this is being recounted.
And people are asking, they're like,
"Show us the proof." Somebody actually
started a website called Show Us the
Toes or Show Me the Toto toes.com,
something like that. And um and they
were asking for the proof and trying to
catalog whether or not there was
actually any evidence. So John Lindell's
under pressure now. He's put her face in
front of everybody. He's told the story.
Bill Johnson's told the story and people
want evidence. He said he had the proof.
Just show it. Now he's going to Here's a
compilation of him explaining why he's
not going to show any of the proof.
>> How many miracles do you have to see?
before you believe.
You know, there are some of you and
you've heard miracle over 4,000 now.
You've heard miracle after miracle of
healing and you're still sitting there
saying, "Well, you know, I just don't
know.
I got to see the toes."
He's shaming us. I'm going to tell you
what, see the toes all you want, you're
still not going to believe
>> because unbelief never has enough proof
because her miracle is real. It's
genuine. Uh people are saying, "Well, if
it's genuine, why aren't you why aren't
you doing anything with it to publicize
it?" There's a couple of reasons that I
want to say to you. First of all,
>> his first reason is going to be I want
to protect her, right? Even though he
put her face out already. Let's listen
to this. Um, I'm less interested in
proving to people what I know God did
than I am in protecting sheep who are
vulnerable.
I'm going to tell you why I believe this
is totally a a complete lie.
And I'm I'm going to protect sheep
first. That's my first concern is for
her.
Right? So, um, right now the scenario is
you put this woman up. You told
everybody about her mir miracle
experience. the internet is doubting
you, is doubting her, is doubting that
this is real. And they there are people
who are bothering her on social media
and stuff like this and they don't
believe that it's real. So, she actually
at this point wanted to prove it was
real. She wants people to know it's
real. It's real. She's trying to put the
evidence out there. She actually
eventually posts a photo of her own foot
on her Facebook page. I think it was
Facebook. And it's the only thing that
John Lindell won't do is actually show
the proof cuz then people would
celebrate. Oh my gosh, look at this
great miracle that God's actually healed
you. You could show us the photo before
and you could show us the photo after.
We we've got there's probably police
records to prove about the shooting or
medical records. Like this is a great
example of a miracle, which by the way,
I'd be very excited to see. Okay, I
believe in miracles. I think there are
real examples and even real evidential
examples of miracles. But you don't fake
them and then lie to your congregation
and then gaslight people. You wouldn't
believe anything. You wouldn't believe
anything. But that's not, you know,
that's not true. That's not true. You
don't have categories of people who
either believe nothing or they believe
everything John says. This isn't these
aren't the two kinds of people in the
world. So
to protect her, he won't show the proof,
but he'll put her face up so that her
testimony of the miracle is there and
people are investigating and looking
into it. The only thing he won't do is
show the proof. Well, she wanted to show
it. So, she goes on social media herself
and posts her afterpics because she's
trying to convince everybody that it's
real. She doesn't like that people are
doubting it. She wants them to believe.
So, she made a video, she talks about
it, and this is a screen cap from that
where she shows us her after photo, and
then people uh zoomed into one of her
previous photos on Facebook, her before
photo, and you can see the difference.
There isn't one. Um, there are no nails.
That's not a There's still three toes
that have been have significant
amputation. And when you look at the
before pictures, they look the same. I
don't have to even tell you guys. You
can see it for yourself. John Lindell
told his congregation, "I've seen the
photos. It's real. It's real. it's real.
That was a baldfaced lie based upon this
evidence.
When he was challenged on it, he gaslit
and he condemned and he uh basically
accused other people of them having a
problem. And that was the reason why
they were even asking for evidence. He
assured us that they'd seen 4,000
miracles already,
these kinds of miracles.
Because in coverup culture, you're also
covering up that your miracles aren't
always real, aren't you?
Right? You can't expose anything because
if you expose anything, it might expose
everything. That's coverup culture.
But it feels so good, man. You feel like
you're the place. John Lindell's James
River Church. This is the place where
God is moving. And if you go like, "Is
God really moving?" They're like, "What
is wrong with you? You have unbelief.
What is wrong with you?" This is part of
coverup culture. Supposedly, it was
verified by a doctor. That's what Bill
Johnson told his people. He's still
telling his people that. still up on
their YouTube and it's still currently
propagating more deception. And I'm
going to give you another example. This
is an example of a prophecy fail from
Bill uh Bill Johnson. So, let's look at
this clip. This is from 2009. And the
reason why we're going back all the way
back to 2009 is because I want us to
understand that the prophecy didn't come
to pass. And so, we have to give some
space of time. If you prophesied
something last year, it maybe I haven't
given enough time for it to take place.
Here's a 2009 prophecy. It comes from
Bill from the pulpit, but originally
from another pastor. We'll tell you all
about it. This is actually uh a video
also from Steven Kosar who's done some
great work on this stuff. And here Steve
calls it out. Now, I I've I've cut up
Steve's video. It's not his full video,
but it's it's enough that I think it'll
get us get the point across. So, here we
go. The failed prophecy of Bethl
Reading. the failed prophecy that I will
add again a move to reading type
prophecy where he's trying to get people
to uproot their lives and move to his
town.
>> Um for whatever reason I don't always
read the words that we get the prophetic
words u u but this one was given to me
this week by Steve Wit. Steve Wit has
been a very accurate and faithful
prophetic voice. Very accurate and
faithful prophetic voice to us. A great
encouragement to me. uh his daughter was
a part of our school of ministry for a
couple years and uh he was just with us
I think last Sunday before anyway he
wrote this word and
>> okay again uh it doesn't mean anything
when Bill says someone's very accurate
and faithful because he said that about
Shawn Bulls and then continued to
endorse him even after everything was
exposed um insanely
so let's look at the prophecy
>> and uh there's one phrase in here that
that helped me to realize I really need
to read this to you even though the
whole thing is good for all of us. Um,
this is the reading anointing, a chief
navigator in perilous times. Remember
that phrase for you.
>> I think the shortcut to Bill's heart is
prophesy something good about him.
>> Chief navigator in perilous times.
Reading is about to advance quickly as a
city doubling in size.
>> Steve Wit should have said that the next
decade is going to be the slowest growth
that Reading has seen in a hundred
years.
First prophecy, Reading's going to
double in size. That was 2009. And you
can see Steve's got numbers up through
2019. I can give you their population in
2024 is 93,500.
It didn't double in size. It went from
89861
um in 2010 up to 93502,
which is uh not not doubling in size,
not remotely
>> doubling in size. a boom town. That
which was the butt of California jokes.
Hey,
will become a jewel.
>> I want to take a moment to point
something out. What happened in Reading
or right outside of Reading in the Carr
fire in July of 2018, this so-called
fire NATO is one of the rarest and most
terrifying weather events literally in
the history of all weather forecasting,
all recordeping about weather events.
It's almost unprecedented in all of
weather history. Um, let me show you an
article about this. California viral
fire tornado has scientists searching
for answers. Weather geeks went wild
last week when the National Weather
Service announced that the car fire near
Reading, California, had spawned the
equivalent of an EF3 tornado on July
26th. And for good reason. Fire
tornadoes are among the rarest weather
phenomena on Earth. And this vortex had
the added distinction of possibly being
the strongest tornado-like thing in
California history. Now, I've lived my
whole life in the Midwest of the United
States, and I've had to deal with
tornadoes, and they are terrifying. Any
size tornado is terrifying. An EF3 is
very severe. It does incredible damage.
But that's not what happened in Reading.
It was an EF3 tornado combined with up
to 2700°
of fire. This was truly horrifying.
>> And some of those tornadoes, they were
classifying those as equal to an F3,
possibly an F4 tornado that you would
see back east. Uh the only difference is
is they estimated the temperature in
these tornadoes to be 2,700°.
>> Will become a jewel where um I'll just
add in here real quick. Housing prices
in Reading, California, you can look
this up yourself. They have increased uh
as all have in in California, but at a
much lower rate than the rest of
California. Significantly lower rate
than the rest of California. It's not a
boom town. There's nothing booming,
right? And there was no prophetic
warning about the car fire in 2018. And
they had no prophetic warning about
COVID. And they actually closed their
healing rooms. They have healing rooms,
special healing rooms to heal people,
right? They closed them uh during CO.
There was the reading anointing that
would be the chief navigator in times of
peril that Bill Johnson so proudly spoke
about in 2009. Nobody saw this coming.
It was terrible. It was horrible. And it
was not something that anybody
predicted. They predicted nothing but
good. And they got so far nothing but
bad.
>> I sense that Governor Schwarzenegger
will be a key. I saw him coming to
Reading, a veil being removed off his
face. He will see Reading as it is seen
by heaven.
Um, sometimes this works where they
actually you would get that prophecy
into the hands of the guy like of of of
Governor Schwarzenegger at the time and
then maybe they'll do something because
the prophecy can kind of make it happen
cuz they get excited. They're like the
center of some prophetic thing. Um, but
it didn't happen.
He will blow a trumpet declare to all of
California that Reading is open for
business. This will be a turning point
and a draw for business in Reading. be a
magnetism as well as attracting national
headquarters to the area. Properties
will skyrocket.
>> Properties will skyrocket. Again, the
growth of property prices in Reading,
California is lower than the state
average in California. It's slower
growth, not not faster, no skyrocketing.
>> This is the time to buy to buy and build
in Reading. If you had bought and built
in Reading because of this prophecy from
Bill Johnson, you would have made a poor
investment, possibly lost money and
missed out on other opportunities. But
again, these guys love telling people
that God's calling them to move into
their town, especially people with lots
of money to buy and build and do big
businesses. It's a common thing in this
culture.
>> I also said that commuter flights from
Sacramento to Reading would soon be
offered, I believe, within 2 years, but
I'm not clear on that. it will be a sign
that a new level is emerging. Watch for
>> Um Steve says this never happened. I've
uh I did a little bit of research on
this and I was trying to confirm that uh
the commuter flight thing. Um it looks
to me like there was some commuter
flights back in like the 80s. There used
to be more and now generally no, there
are not commuter flights as a general
rule uh from San Francisco to Bethl. He
would like that cuz Bill likes to go to
one of the most expensive restaurants in
the world in Sacramento a lot of the
time.
>> The name of the airline, I sense it will
have a prophetic meaning. Finally, I
wrote a prayer on the morning of Sunday
last while in reading. I submit it as it
is a prayer. I bless you with reading. I
bless you reading with revelation from
heaven. May you understand the times and
know what to do. You are a sial in the
spirit. His light will cause you to heal
the past, comprehend the present, and
interpret the future.
>> Reveal your secrets.
>> This is Steve Kosar's video style. Tell
us all.
>> He has given you eyes to see and will
establish you as a think tank. Think
tank. National business headquarters
will be drawn here. Writing will shine
like a city of hope. Do not fear. Open
the door. As you open this earthly door,
my heavenly door will exhaust you with
my blessing. Anybody ready to be
exhausted? Oh.
Um to my knowledge, none of this none
not a single one of these things happen.
But when this word goes out, prophecy
from Bill, guys, Bill's sharing a
prophecy from this other guy. And and
and it's like we're trusting God for it.
Move to reading. Start your business in
Reading. It's going to be a boom town.
Get your real estate. You know, I'm
going to buy a few homes because then I
can resell them after the the the boom
happens. And no, instead the car fire
burns up your house. Uh no, instead it's
got slower growth than other communities
around it. And there's no booming.
Businesses are not reaching out. There's
no commuter flights to to to anywhere
from Sacramento or whatever it was. He
said, "This just not this is not
happening.
>> Ready to be exhausted. Exhaust me with
your blessings." That's right. Here's
five statements. This is a time for
hospitality.
This is a time to buy.
>> Time to buy. Again, prophetically
counseling people to spend large amounts
of money in a way that would indirectly
benefit their local church. That is bad.
Once again, please please evacuate
everyone and and stay safe. Have a good
night.
>> This is a time to learn deeper in the
spirit. This is a time for deep
relationships.
The party will not end.
>> That's a good word.
Now, it's important that I point out at
this point um there is no accountability
for these types of statements from Bill
Johnson or from other people uh in the
movement.
there there just isn't even even though
they all know it's wrong they're just
like well at least he was hopeful at
least he was and and you guys don't
realize like the charismatics like you
don't realize like you've been
brainwashed to think that way like this
actually really matters there's people
whose lives were probably harmed
significantly because they believed this
word that wasn't from the Lord and then
it benefited Bethl because people are
moving people are investing in things
that that draw attention to the church
and make the church more of that much
more of a hub um which it's a
It's a problem. Um, he says Steve Wit
has been a very accurate and faithful
prophetic voice to us.
Do you know that Wit sells courses on
how to be more prophetic? He sells
courses on those. So, Whit had a
financial benefit from this most likely.
2004 was a turning point for Bethl. It
was as if the enemy couldn't hold his
finger in the dyke any longer. This is
the reading anointing. Okay, not true.
Didn't happen. But this is the come here
strategy. I want to point this out
again. I think it's very important
because I know Jesus image does this,
Morning Star does this, IHOP would do
this, um Chris Reed just did this in a
video and the idea is prophetically tell
people that they have to relocate to
your local ministry thing so that you
can keep building and building and
building. Um this is the center of the
coming revival. This is where God's
spirit is working. This is where your
healing comes. Right? If you if you just
get here, if you just sell everything
and travel here, maybe God will heal you
of that problem that you have. You
should expect it, right? That's the
implication of things. The Bethl
narrative is that they are in a long
steady march towards incredible healing
and prosperity. Remember Benny joked
about how no one should die. She
tragically passed away from cancer in
2022.
So why was this prophecy read from the
stage if it wasn't true? If it wasn't
from the Holy Spirit. It was read from
the stage because it served their
purposes of being the revival culture
place and the come here strategy. I
think that that's why. Let me give you
another example.
I I man I hate doing these videos.
Another example, this I I struggle with
whether I would share this or not. This
is the wake up olive controversy. Okay,
there was this beautiful little girl
that passed away and for a week or
around a week they would not allow her
to be buried or reclaim her body. And um
the reason is because they were going to
raise her from the dead cuz Bethl had
has in the past they've had dead raising
teams like a team who was like where the
dead raising team. They've claimed that
multiple people have been raised from
the dead, although I haven't ever seen
any examples. I'd love to talk. That'd
be so exciting, guys. That would be
awesome. I would celebrate this. I don't
care if it was Bethl who did it. I would
be like so happy.
But they instead did this. The worship
leaders and the parents even in on it.
Everybody in on it. They for a week they
scream and holler and they sing worship
songs and they promise and they prophesy
and they proclaim that she's going to
raise from the dead in a way that is
just so tragic. Here's a tiny piece of
it.
in Jesus name.
Jesus name.
It was deeply irresponsible for the
pastors to allow this to take place.
Now, if you had a revelation from God
that um Olive was going to be healed, um
that she was going to be raised, then it
would be deeply faithful. But you had no
such revelation. You prophesied, you
guys prophesied, you guys proclaimed,
you guys made it hugely public, you
embarrassed the body of Christ, you
embarrassed yourselves. And it was
because of your guys teaching of
prophecy. It just doesn't matter if
you're wrong. You're allowed to say what
you want. Bill has taught, I heard him
teach this, I actually have it in a
video somewhere from years ago where
he's actually taught that sometimes with
prophecy, you can prophesy something
that God isn't even saying and then God
will say it because you prophesied it.
That is called fake prophecy. But that
is the teaching that's behind, I think,
the wake up all of controversy. And you
could look into that more on your own if
you want. I'm so
um
it's it's so sad. I didn't even want to
talk about it, but I wanted to mention
it because once again, Bethl has a
problem. And it's all connected. The
treatment of prophecy, the treatment of
miracles, the treatment of all of these
things is connected. And I call it
cover-up culture because you're going to
cover up the fake and you're going to
try to celebrate it like it's real. And
it doesn't matter when people fake. So
Bethl has a problem. They endorsed Benny
Hint. They endorsed Kenneth Copeland.
They endorsed Todd Bentley as like this
great coming apostle guy, right? They
platformed Todd White with the the
Passion translation. Bill wrote the
forward to the thing and is was selling
their own version of it even though it's
bad news. Then we have Bob Hartley.
I did a whole video on this. I won't get
into that video. Bob Hartley, bad dude,
faking prophecy for generations. Are you
getting sick of this? You guys realizing
why I say cover up culture and it's a
systematic problem in the charismatic
church and it's not all charismatic
churches but in particular I've looked
into like Morning Star Bethl IHOP uh
William Brandom and and the movements
and stuff that have spawned from him.
This stuff
it's a problem. So
Bob Hartley goes back with Mike Bickl.
He goes back to Bob Jones. Right? That's
him with Bob Jones and Mike Bickl. And
when Bob Jones got pulled out of
ministry, Bob Hartley, oh, I meant to
put on your screen. So, Bob Hartley,
let's talk about briefly mention some of
the Bob Hartley saga. I'll link the
video down below that will give all the
information. I'll just mention some of
it now. Um, because the way Bethl
handled it again shows coverup culture.
It's a pattern. It's a plan. It's the
way business is done. That's how I
understand it.
So, here's Bob Harley with Mike Pickle.
They're good pals. They go way, way
back. Here's Bob Hartley with Mike Bickl
and with Bob Jones and they go obviously
way back. When Bob Jones fell in 1990s,
early 90s, Bob Hartley, I'm told, became
the go-between. If you wanted to talk to
Bob Jones, you had to go through Bob
Hartley. And Bob was exposed. Okay.
Michelle Sidler in January of 2024, she
exposed Bob for being a predator against
women, for offering to pay women for,
you know, what um and a bunch of other
stuff. and his son then came out in um
March 6th of 2024
showing that his dad had been faking
prophecy that his dad said it's normal
in the movement and everybody does it.
Um and he gave specific examples and
that his dad was also being predatory
towards women and he only came out the
son Jedodiah who I interviewed and I'll
link that interview down below. The son
only came out publicly because Bethl
wouldn't and if Michelle Syler of Bethl
had come out publicly she wouldn't have
had to either but they wouldn't do it. I
go through the whole drama. We talk
about all of it in the video I'll link
down below. I'll just show you a little
little bits of it. Okay. According to
Michelle, they knew about Bob back in
2016 or 17. They knew about his
predatory behaviors. And an email went
out to Bethl leadership only and it was
very vague and it was basically don't go
to Bob's house. Don't talk to don't have
do stuff with Bob. That was kind of what
it was. But it didn't explain why. It
didn't warn people. I had a former staff
member of Bethl reach out and go, "Yeah,
I remember that email." And it was so
vague, we didn't know what it meant. Bob
was still active in Bethl even after
that. He was still praying on people in
their church. Even after that,
his patterns were offering money to
women
um for intercourse and also pushing
himself physically on people. Michelle
says that he came to her house
intoxicated, pulled all his clothes off,
and chased her around the room. What is
it with these guys? and just uninvitedly
disroing.
And the prophecy stuff, he would
prophesy to girls that he was going to
marry them and about how wonderful they
would be and all this stuff. And he
would flash his money around and he
would use this to try to, you know,
carnal pleasures. Here's a creepy video
that Bob sent to a woman he had met one
time and prophesied over one time and
then he sent her this video. He's trying
to offer her money in order to get her
Well, I'll just play the video.
>> This is me right now.
I don't need a woman to be near me or be
with me. But I love the bless and I've
worked hard and I would do that. But I
don't need this. I know everybody's
having a hard life. Everybody's been
treated all that stuff. But I said, I'll
meet you in the parking lot with money.
You can go away, you know. Right. You
know, I am tempted to send you some
beforehand because I believe in your
heart.
But, you know, I worked all week. So, I
have just a relaxing night. I got a
fireplace over here. A beautiful,
beautiful room and house. I got to clean
it up a little, but with my back
porches, the golf, of course. It's an
unbelievable house. And there's I don't
have it on, but that's the
gas fireplace. And that's Ring Grant.
And this is so cozy back here, baby. And
with the fire on, so I just want to
relax, you know. I'm not a flipped
around. I think I'm not a saxophone,
you know.
But I am the love
where I love that intimacy.
>> It seems pretty obvious what's happening
here is he's flashing money. He's trying
to trying to seduce this woman using
himself in a mirror, but also money. Um,
she didn't like it. She sent this over
to Michelle Syler. That that is
something she actually posted online.
And she also posted a a testimony of a
girl who says that she was our AP from
Bob as well as Bob's own board member
exposing him, one of his previous board
members. But that guy just ended up
stepping down cuz it's always the same.
The board members step down. They never
actually publicly expose these guys.
When they're predators to and dangerous
to others, you have to expose them
publicly. That has to be the new rule.
And I'm going to play the rest of the
video here, but
I'm not here saying Bob's quirky and
weird or he has a raspy voice. I don't
care about that. What we're saying here
is um Bob is looked at as a prophetic
voice inside of Bethl. Even after the
letter that went out, even up until
Michelle Sidler went public, he's still
looked at as a prophetic voice. People
view him that way. They see him that
way.
He's inviting people from Bethl over to
his home for what? Paying them for this
stuff. He's obviously done this numerous
times. He goes, "I've never had to pay
just to get a response before." Oh, he's
paid for other things, I guess, but not
the response.
Bethl could have, should have, didn't.
>> That's what I meant to turn this around.
I know, but I need to hear from you and
I need to hear.
I'll meet at this place,
you know, and I'll send your money for,
you know, a little bit of travel you're
going. And then I just
never had to pay for somebody to respond
to me. And I just don't mind blessing
somebody who has financial need and I
just feel like I'm not paying for
this. I don't know how to turn this
around. I'm sorry.
I'm praying for intimacy. I just want to
bless you. So, let me know how you feel.
Let me know. Okay, this is what it's
going to cost. And I just I pay for a
lot of people in a lot of situations.
>> I pay for a lot of people in a lot of
situations.
>> And so I just got to know I also know
that you want to partner with me. You
want to bless the world we're blessing
which is an awesome world. You know I
can explain it to you later but I don't
spend much on me. I got a beautiful home
and $13 million properties that are B&Bs
are unbelievable.
I love to travel,
but I do want to get my business in a
place where it just flows and get my
body healthy and be with somebody that
understands
and we can ride up wondrous things
together. So, respond that and uh we'll
see if some people wake up tonight. Bye.
when Mike Pickle was being accused by a
number of women
um which was found by an investigation
to be credible um credible stuff, bad
stuff.
Bob Hartley was threatening people
behind the scenes with litigation. All
your dirty secrets are going to come
out. We have the best lawyers.
I am not here claiming, this is
important, I'm not here claiming that
Bethl um deliberately put Bob back in
front of women who he would do this
stuff to or people like that. But we do
know that he routinely prophesied
prophesied falsely. He faked prophecy.
He'd look up people's information. His
son has revealed this and he says he he
even admitted to it. Said that it was
normal in the movement. And I'm I'm
believing that. I believe that
Bethl didn't do the right thing. It's
not that they did nothing. They didn't
do the right They sent out a letter at
one point which was I would say was
probably just damage control. Then when
people were asking him to go public,
even even Bob's son, hey Bill, would you
please do something? You got to warn
people that I think he's going to he's
going to my dad's probably going to get
arrested or something. He's done some
stuff that's pretty bad here. I think um
they didn't do anything. There was
private conversations that made it sound
like actions would be taken, but in the
end nothing happened. And so they went
public. after they went public, after it
went on social media, after it went on
Facebook, then they came out with uh a
letter announcing some stuff about Bob.
Uh it was only then because it was
damage control and covered up culture
and it was not what it should have been.
Bob Hartley is close to Bethl and close
to Bill. Um after Bill's wife passed in
2022, again, sadly, and I'm sorry for
that, Bill.
Um super tragic. Um, but after that
happened, Bob Hartley was the one who
prophesied to him that God was going to
give Bill a coutura, a second wife. And
then Bill went and pursued a young woman
from his church for a little while and
it ultimately fell apart. And then Bill
posted on Instagram complaining about
his church and suggesting that it was it
was their fault for not embracing the
adventure or something weird like that.
Um, so here this is it. I'm going to I'm
going to end this video now. Here's the
conclusion. Here's my final call. And I
hope I can do this well.
My call to charismatic leaders is
you have to call them all out.
All of them. I know that there's leaders
who have sin in their lives. And that
doesn't always need to be exposed. Okay?
It doesn't. But when you have people who
are faking prophecy, I don't care who
they are, they have to be called out
publicly. And you may feel powerless.
You may feel like you're nobody, but I'm
telling you, there's an rising army of
people who will come alongside and
defend and support you. You just have to
open your mouth and start saying what
you know. I don't care if you're on
staff at Bethl, you need to start
speaking the truth. It doesn't matter if
if it's with Benny Hen or you're with
Jesus Image or you're with uh Morning
Star. Just start speaking the truth
because the one thing that that is
absolutely going to cleanse the church
in the charismatic world is the truth.
Rip the band-aid off. Call them out.
And we need to deliver people like Shawn
BS over to Satan. As scripture says,
what I mean is excommunication. The guy
should not be invited or welcomed into
any church building until he publicly
repents and confesses. And Sean BS, let
me say since I've targeted you so much
in this video.
Here's a here's a message to you
personally, Sean. I will champion you if
you repent. But your repentance has to
have one qualifier. You have to tell us
all the people you know about. All of
them. If you openly say the truth about
the people you know about who are faking
things, who are manipulating things, and
the stuff that you know behind the
scenes, then we'll believe it's real.
Otherwise, I just don't believe you. I
just don't believe you. And I've talked
to your victims, former employees, they
care about you still and they want they
would rather see you repent. They just
don't believe you. They don't trust you
will. But, but that's what they would
prefer. They care about you. They they
know you need help. They know you need
help. You need counseling. You need real
help. and um and I will I will open arms
lovingly embrace you and encourage you
um if indeed you you come broken but
until then you are an enemy to the
church and you have to be kicked out you
be excommunicated from the body from
anybody any group of Christians because
of your behaviors and that is true of so
many people that's true of Bob Hartley
so that's the rabbit hole guys that's
the rabbit hole
where the church can go from here is
really simple.
Normal people holding fast to moral
truth and righteous standards, no matter
who gets ups upset with them for it, no
matter who gets irritated with them for
it, where you simply won't let it go.
And you'll realize that if you've been
the victim of a fake prophet,
you have a lot of power to tell the
truth. You really do. And when you start
thinking about all the other people he's
going to continue to victimize for the
next 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you realize
you have a good reason to come forward
and tell the truth and a lot of us will
support you. So, I am sorry. I mean,
part of me is really sorry to bring this
video to you and make this video. I
don't like this. I don't take pleasure
in it. Um, man, I wish it could have
been better. I I reached out to Bethl a
long time ago and asked if I could talk
to to Chris or Danny about these
situations and they don't want to talk
to me. Um I have talked to another
leader at Bethl who's um one I have not
mentioned who you guys don't know and um
I hope there's I hope there's real
change. I hope there's real reform. I do
believe it can happen but it would take
such a change of the structure that you
guys would be calling out your own
foundations as false. That's what it's
going to take. And I will champion you
if you do that
for what it's worth. I mean who am I?
I'm just trying to be a voice for these
people. This is dedicated to the victims
of Shawn Bulls. And this has been
chasing him down the rabbit hole into
the coverup culture that is going on in
the charismatic church. Now, you know,
and there's more coming. I'm not done
yet. I want to be, but I have to share
more.
So, that's it. I want to pray before we
go. Um, Father God, we know that without
your grace, none of us would stand. We
know that you want us to be a group of
people who are not just enraged and
angry, but who are reaching out with
with righteous hands of justice and
mercy both. And so we pray for that. We
pray that you'd help your church to
respond like the church to these things.
That we would root out wickedness and we
would root out deceit and lies, but that
we would also bring comfort and support.
And it wouldn't just be about destroying
things, but it would be about rebuilding
and establishing things. And we pray for
that. I pray for the for the charismatic
leaders now who are righteous, who stand
in truth, who do not deceive knowingly
deceive anybody. Um, and we pray that
you would guide and direct them and
you'd raise them up as new voices inside
the charismatic church to be proper
guides, to be those who gain the
authority in the eyes of others so that
they can um create a new culture where
uh where there is goodness and
righteousness in Jesus name. Amen.
I actually just finished editing this
video. Spent the last couple days um
probably 20 something hours editing the
video and um looking back over it. I I
don't want to end it where I did. I want
to offer a word of encouragement. Um, if
you have been part of the charismatic
movement, if you have been under one of
these teachers, even blessed by one of
these teachers, can I tell you
something? That's okay. Um, be
encouraged. Try to take whatever good
you've received and hold on to that, but
you will have to go through a process
that may take some time. I've talked to
a bunch of people who've gone through
this process, and it's difficult, but
there's light at the end of the tunnel.
And that process involves sort of
disentangling
some of the stuff that you've
experienced uh from your genuine
Christian faith. And I want to encourage
you that in Jeremiah's day, there were
so many fake false prophets. Now, they
weren't supposed to be at home in the
church in that sense, in that analogy,
but they were there and there was still
the real. And there's been around the
world, there's been millions of false
religions or however many false
religions, yet there is one that is
actually true. When Jesus came, there
was one real Messiah, even though there
have been a lot of false messiahs. Jesus
talked about how there could be tears
amongst the wheat. Um, we understand
that we want our churches and our
fellowships and our experience as
Christians to be perfect and it just
often isn't the case. And that's okay.
That's part of the real world and part
of how we grow. And I I would just want
to encourage you in that. Don't
overreact to these things and throw out
the uh the truth of Christ with the fake
that you're confronting and dealing
with. and wrestling with and working
through. We know that in the book of
Revelation and 1 Corinthians that there
were problems in the church, even
significant problems in the church and
it was still real Christians that were
there, but there were real problems that
were there. I want to remind you of the
gospel of Jesus Christ. That God himself
took on human form. Jesus came, born of
a virgin. He lived the perfect sinless
life for us. Did the thing that you and
I have not done. All of us, if if we
were to be called out on every sin, we
would all fail. We would all be
completely fallen short of God's glory.
and destined for a
a judgment apart from God. Um the wrath
of God, but Jesus took our sin upon
himself on the cross. He died for you.
He died for me. That we would just trust
in him and receive salvation. God so
loved the world that he gave his only
begotten son. And you know why I'm
telling you these things that you have
already heard and already know? Because
you need to cling to the things that are
true. And from there, you work through
the things that are false. And from
there you you you disentangle the stuff
that doesn't belong. So I just want to
encourage you. Christ, he is not like
these examples I've given today. He
actually has verifiable prophetic
fulfillment in his life. Like real
fulfillment of prophecy. And I've done a
whole series of video. I've taken my
same mentality and skeptical mind and
I've examined the text of the scriptures
and I've examined the evidence for
Christianity and the support there is
for the resurrection of Jesus. And I
mean fulfilled prophecy, one of my
favorite subjects in the world. It's
it's so so good. Christ is trustworthy.
God is good. I want to read you a
scripture that might encourage you if
this all is setting you into a time of
sort of purification by fire, some
difficulty, some challenges. Let me
remind you of this. Blessed be the God
and father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
According to his great mercy, he has
caused us to be born again to a living
hope through the resurrection of Jesus
Christ from the dead to an inheritance
that is imperishable, undefiled, and
unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by
God's power are being guarded through
faith for a salvation ready to re be
revealed in the last time. In this you
rejoice, though now for a little while,
if necessary, you have been grieved by
various trials, so that the tested
genuiness of your faith, more precious
than gold that perishes, though it is
tested by fire, may be found to result
in praise and glory and honor at the
revelation of Jesus Christ. This, if
this puts you into a tail spin, this is,
I pray, a time of testing, not a time of
destruction, a time of purification.
Because when when fire comes, as this
text in in front of you says, when fire
comes and tests gold, it brings the
impurities to the top so that they can
scrape them away. That's the dross. You
get rid of that. That is the idea. And
I'm praying that within the charismatic
church and within your life
individually, that you find yourself
more purified, more focused upon Christ,
more genuine and real, but not, I hope,
just cynical. I am still not cynical. I
am, yeah, I'm very highly skeptical of
specific patterns and specific habits
and specific individuals, but I'm not
cynical about the work of the Holy
Spirit in the church, about the idea of
God giving us something really special
through a real move of the Holy Spirit
or a revival or a prophecy or even
tongues and those kinds of things. Um,
you don't have to
discard the real because you're getting
rid of the fake. But we do have to stop
embracing the fake, thinking it's some
pathway to the real. That has to stop.
So, I I hope that's some encouragement
to you. I'm sorry for bringing you guys
this video. I know that it's it's uh
unpleasant and I've spent the past year
uh listening to victims and talking with
people and gathering stuff. And I'm
going to try to get it all out there and
then I want to move on to other things.
I just want to steward well th those
stories and those individuals and the
situations that have come my way. And I
appreciate your prayers as I do that.
Thank you.
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