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Jackson Hole on Friday. Well, this
Friday at 7 a.m. Pacific time, we hear
from Jerome Powell as he heads to
Jackson Hole to give the good old
Jackson Hole Symposium opening speech.
And markets are pretty tenuous for
figuring out what the heck is he going
to signal. Last time he spoke to us, he
talked about the potential of us needing
to be grateful that he wasn't hiking
interest rates while at the same time
saying that the labor market is a fine,
which both of those make us wonder, is
this guy just purely tonedeaf?
Does he not realize the pain that's
happening in the manufacturing space?
The pain that's happening in the retail
space, the pain that's happening in
parts of the economy affected by
immigration or just the soft labor
force. Anybody looking for a job right
now knows what that pain is like. Well,
Mark Xandandy from uh not Morgan
Stanley. Oh, where's he from? Uh Moody's
Moody's chief economist. He says that's
because onethird of our economy is only
expanding and the other two/3s are
either treading water or are in outright
decline. And this is interesting because
when you put these pieces of the puzzle
together, you do get a really confusing
picture for what we're going to get with
Jackson Hole this week. Last year at
Jackson Hole, Jerome Powell basically
set up for a 50 basis point cut after
the Japanese carry trade disaster and
the skyrocketing unemployment uh reads
the triggering of the SAM rule. And
yeah, conveniently the election was
around the corner. So, we happened to
get a 50 basis point cut, which of
course they deny had anything to do with
politics. Who knows, maybe they're
right. But point being, last year we had
a Jackson Hole that's set up for rate
cuts. This year we've got a Jerome
Powell who's potentially saying, "Hey,
y'all need to be grateful that we're not
raising rates and we don't want
inflation psychology to take over at the
same time as 2/3 of our actual
functional economy is either teetering
or declining." Now, I think Mark Xandy's
sheet here is actually quite interesting
because it also aligns with what Warren
Buffett just did. So, let's touch on
that and then we'll get back to Powell.
So, we'll go on a tangent here. Look at
this for a moment. Real estate at the
largest share of value added out of all
of this, even past healthc care services
and technology. Now, I personally found
this really interesting because I mean,
as you know, this isn't to be a pitch. I
started a real estate startup in 22
knowing that, you know, I like starting
businesses when it's really hard to do
it because there's like no competition.
So rates are skyrocketing in 2022.
Probably the worst time to start a real
estate company. I start a real estate
company, which is almost intentional
because you then set up a really strong
company for when the good comes ahead.
Now Mark is suggesting that the real
estate sector is actually next to see a
big set of expansion. And what I thought
was so interesting was in Warren
Buffett's recent 13F filings at
Berkshire Hathaway. Take a look at what
happened. First, look at the March 31st
filing in on March 31st. So, in the
first quarter of the year, Warren
Buffett added to his investments in the
Pool Corporation, which the pool
corporation is basically a wholesale
distributor of pool pumps, equipment,
cleaning supplies, tiles for pools,
pavers around pools, everything pool
related. They own like five different
distribution companies. And they
actually take a 30% margin, which is
really impressive. Now, they've got a
PEG ratio of 2.9. So, they're not
exactly cheap or value in my opinion.
Earnings per share are expected to grow
at about 10 uh% for the next few years,
but they're trading for nearly 30x on a
price to to earnings ratio. So, I'm not
exactly sure what Buffett is seeing here
in terms of value. I think Buffett when
it comes to pool is making more of a bet
just on the real estate industry in a
bit of a, you know, for Buffett
diversified way. We know Buffett isn't a
big fan of diversification, but the fact
that we've got pool and then new buys,
Lenar and Dr. Horton in Q1, and then you
go into Q2, which was just reported,
what did we find out in Q2? We find out
big ads increasing his position by 265%
in LAR, increasing his position in pool
by 136%
and then increasing his position
actually slightly shaving off of Dr.
Horton, excuse me, by about 1.79%. So,
sort of just rebalancing is really what
that feels like a Dr. Horton. It kind of
makes you wonder like, hm, what is
Warren Buffett seeing? And I think what
he's seeing is actually pretty
straightforward. What you have is an
environment where rates are going to
come down one way or another, right?
Powell talks about, hey, we need to be
grateful that we're not raising rates,
but we know we're in a trajectory of
rates are going to come down. rates are
either going to come down slowly through
a normalization that is this setup that
hey uh you know Mark Xandandy was on
CNBC this morning and he said hey we you
know the Fed's going to prefer making
sure that we maintain growth because
inflation could be sort of more one-time
more of a one-time effect on inflation.
So we want to make sure we don't push
the economy into a recession. So they'll
set up a 25 basis point cut is
essentially what Mark is saying. Maybe
we'll see because you've also got this
other side of Powell, which we'll talk
more about in just a moment. But either
way, if you get a slow normalization of
rates, maybe you prop up the real estate
market pretty well. Not just mortgage
companies like now the behemoth Rocket
Mortgage, but also potentially the home
builders who right now rely pretty
heavily on incentives. This morning's
housing market report indicated about
64% reliance on incentives versus 62%
prior, suggesting basically homebuilders
need to throw in more icing on the cake
to get people to buy homes. Incentives,
by the way, are things like rate
buyowns, upgraded flooring for free,
upgraded kitchen countertops or crown
molding. Anything to kind of make you
just say by like if that's what it takes
for you to feel at home, honey, we'll
make it happen for you. There's such
huge margins on that stuff anyway, the
home builders don't really care. Point
is, Buffett jumping into pool and two
homebuilders
right now when it's unpopular to like
the home builders potentially because if
we're going into a normalization of
rates, mortgage companies through
refinances or home builders could do
really well as well as home suppliers.
You buy a new home, you want to build a
pool, great. more potential supply of
pool homer, you know, uh, pool owners or
new pool owners to supply tiling or pool
pumps or pool servicing equipment to.
Makes a lot of sense. Then you also have
the potential that if we do walk into a
recessionary environment, rates plummet,
which is probably also good for real
estate. So, at least from what we're
seeing here, Buffett seems to be
aligning with this idea of all right,
maybe we don't go all in on like AI and
and highly priced tech. Instead, where
is the market been suffering? Oh, it's
been suffering at the real estate side.
Why? Because of rates. Well, what's
about to happen at rates? Well, we're
probably going to see rates come down
either through a normalization or
through a recession. Both of which are,
guess what, good and supportive for real
estate, which is great for us at Alsac.
It's one of the reasons, and this isn't
a pitch, I'm just saying is it's one of
the reasons why, you know, when people
invest in house right now, we we
basically pay out a 5% yield plus 100%
of the upside in the stock. So, like you
get all the upside in the stock and you
get a 5% yield through the conversion.
you know, read the details obviously at
houseack.com because once the once the
the the 5% converts, you you hold the
stock and then of course the goal is we
get to IPO. That's all a different
topic. But the reason I say that is
because we're kind of like as a company
looking at it going why why do we
continue to pay up 5%. We should at some
point close that offering and and a
lot's going to be predicated on what
Powell does. You know, if Powell's like,
hey, we got to raise rates. All right,
maybe we keep offering the 5%. But if
Powell sets up for large rate cuts,
maybe we kind of align with this Buffett
strat of all right, let's just, you
know, let's instead of paying out all
uh, you know, this extra yield, let's
stop paying out extra yield, let's go
buy more real estate and just hodddle
because, you know, the real estate
market might be the next to boom, which
is the bet that Buffett is making here.
And it makes sense because interest
rates and the success of real estate are
pretty well correlated. That's why we
think it's great that we are so heavily
exposed to real estate during a really
high interest rate environment where we
have zero bank debt. Like it doesn't
really matter what mortgage rates are
right now because we don't have any bank
debt. But then when rates come down, we
could refinance and we could join the,
you know, basically really explode the
size of our company uh as rates come
down, which is pretty awesome. But
anyway, I thought this was so
fascinating to see, you know, Warren
Buffett's alignment here with real
estate. The question though is what if
Powell actually signals rate hikes,
right? If you look right here, take a
look at what's happening to the odds of
a 25 basis point cut. We had a 40%
chance of a cut before the Fed meeting.
Then we got to a 97% chance after the
jobs report. And then after we got this
blowout PPI report, we went to just an
84% chance. That's roughly where it sits
now. I'm looking at the market right
now. We've got an 83.7% chance of a cut
in September. We've got a 50% chance of
another cut in October. And then by the
end of the year, we're only pricing in
2.1 rate cuts. So, unfortunately, that
darn PPI spike really hurt. We were
getting to where we were pricing in
three rate cuts until we got this, as
Bloomberg says here, the nasty inflation
surprise. And see, this is where a lot
of people get confused because they say,
"Hey, Powell's obviously going to be too
late because the labor market is
suffering and and inflation's going to
be transitory." But the question is,
what if inflation is not transitory like
it took 3 years to be transitory last
time or more? The that's the big problem
is Jerome Powell told us this in the
last meeting. If we end up allowing
inflation psychology to escape and
people get comfortable with this idea
that prices are going up and we're not
doing anything about it, in fact, we're
cutting as prices are shocking to the
upside, then maybe we should actually go
slower with rate cuts. Sure, maybe we
get a 25 in September, but maybe we're
only going to set up one and done.
That's also possible. So, it's basically
a hawkish cut for September he could set
up. And I don't know that markets will
be very happy about that because what
you have is markets that believe the
Federal Reserve cutting rates is going
to unleash this boom of liquidity and
stocks are just going to go even higher.
Folks, by definition, that is greed. It
is pure greed through and through.
That's all it is. And that is classic in
sort of a euphoric bubble. This idea
that, oh well, the Fed's going to cut
and then things are going to moon even
more. No. When the Fed cuts, especially
routinely, it's because the underlying
economy is falling apart. Markets don't
moon on the Fed cutting. Markets moon on
the unlimited bailout of the Fed. I
mean, you could even look at the narrow
subset of COVID. You could, I mean,
obviously you could look uh at 89, you
could look at uh 2003, the Fed's money
printing, you could look at February of
2009 with the Fed's money printing, and
then of course uh COVID with the Fed's
money printing. Every time the Fed goes
and runs the printer, that's when stocks
skyrocket. The Fed emergency cut rates
at the beginning of March of 2022 during
CO, that's not when markets moon.
Markets kept falling. Markets didn't
moon until the Fed promised an
everything bailout March 23rd of 2020.
That's when markets really mooned. So
markets want the money printer, not rate
cuts. But investors today think rate
cuts are good for the stock market. No,
rate cuts are good for real estate.
They're usually a sign of bad underlying
issues for corporate earnings and
corporate growth, unless of course we
get some kind of productivity boom. But
this is where, you know, we have this
like struggle of this balance. And I
think that's also where Mark Xandandy,
he put together an op-ed in the
Washington uh Post, which we'll look at.
You know, this idea about relying on a
productivity boom. We we'll go through
this in just a moment. This, you know,
the number is bad news for the economy.
This has to do with the jobs report and
the inflation reports, which we'll talk
about. But people believe that we're
going to get this productivity boom from
artificial intelligence. But I was
having this debate this morning with a
course member in the uh in in our alpha
report uh at least I you know I I
believe that this yeah there was this
morning we were just talking about this
this morning where there's a difference
between productivity and efficiency and
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week. But understand this debate we were
having this morning was the debate
between productivity and efficiency.
Okay, productivity is getting things
done. So for example, if I needed to get
these two remote controls, okay, from
this side of the desk to this side of
the desk, what was the product of my
labor? Well, I moved two remotes from
one side of the desk to the other. Okay.
Now, let's imagine there's a conveyor
belt. Okay. And I don't know that took
me two calories, let's say, to move
those remotes. But if I push a button on
a conveyor belt, this conveyor belt
moves these remotes with one calorie.
So, it's 50% more efficient, right? What
was the productivity difference between
the example I just gave you. Well, let's
see what the result is. Two remotes move
from here to here. The productivity is
exactly the same. The product, that's
the root word of productivity. The
product is exactly the same. I end up
with two remotes on this side of the
desk when they were previously on this
side of the desk. Now, I did so with
half the calories because I used a
conveyor belt of AI or whatever you want
to call it. Cool.
So, ooh, uh, breaking news. Trump
administration in talks to acquire 10%
stake in Intel. 10% stake. I think
that's higher than what people were
anticipating, by the way, for Intel. So,
uh, that uh, maybe not. I mean, the
stock's kind of moving
initially up, but now down. Interesting.
We'll talk about that separately. But
the point is about this productivity
versus efficiency talk. You have to ask
yourself if artificial intelligence if
if markets are betting on a productivity
boom, but the reality is we're just
getting work done faster and then we
have more time to sit around, to sleep,
for leisure, or to do nothing. It
doesn't necessarily mean we're going to
go out to Cheesecake Factory twice as
many times or we're going to go on twice
as many vacations or that we're going to
employ many more people, which if we had
more productivity, we might do all those
things because more people could also do
those things. Uh if we could just get
our work done more efficiently, we just
have more time for leisure and not
necessarily economic productivity, at
least in the near term. So these are
going to be things that we have to
evaluate as as we look at this economy.
But anyway, looking at Mark Xandi's
piece here. Okay, Mark Xandandy tells us
that if it weren't for the changes in
immigration or the changes in the labor
force participation rate, we would be
heading towards 5% unemployment. This is
true. We would be re-triggering the SAM
rule if it were not for uh uh labor
force participation, right? Kind of a
big deal. So,
the labor market has flatlined so far
this year. This is true. The
unemployment rate is basically
flatlining at about 4.2%.
And part of that is because our labor
force that once grew over 2 and a half
million workers a year or two years ago,
a million workers a year ago now is
basically flat. And it's our the
foreignb born portion of our labor force
is in decline where it usually grew at
5% per year. we start wondering, all
right, so our labor market's not really
growing. So, is this a good thing? And
this is where I think I personally have
a lot of frustration with Jerome Powell
because I look at Jerome Powell and I
want to kind of shake him by the
shoulders. I'm going to grab him by the
shoulders and shake him and go, "Bro,
JPL,
you told us the labor market matters a
lot." And now
or and and you've told us for years that
the 3month average of the unemployment
growth is what matters or or the labor
markets growth is what matters. 3month
growth has gone from around 200,000 to
150,000 of 3 month average labor force
growth down to just 33,000
jobs. And now you still have the balls
to tell us that the labor market is
strong.
And that's because he's redefining how
he measures the labor market. Now he's
like, "Well, the unemployment rate
matters more than the three-month
average employment rate." Oh my gosh,
JPL changing the definitions on us. The
reason he's doing this is simple. He
wants to fight our inflation psychology.
He wants to prevent us from accepting
tariff price increases,
which we broadly are. If we look at core
consumer goods, core super core goods or
we look at producer price inflation,
both of these are rising at rates
between 5.9 and 10% annualized
inflation. That's really bad. And that's
at the margin. The reason we look at the
margin and annualize it is because
that's where we're getting the change,
right? Like we don't we don't want to
average out over the last year. What we
want to do is really understand that the
spikes we're seeing right here in
producer prices at the margin right now
are potentially just now getting started
and that we might have a lot more tariff
inflation in the pipeline. That is a
risk factor. Now consumer prices
Bloomberg here shows consumer prices
overall
but and this is how Donald Trump gets
see my average inflation rate annualizes
out to 1.9% just by taking ignoring this
big bar from January and just taking
this that's how Trump gets his math but
the problem is this includes all goods
energy housing food if you just look at
super uh core this bar would actually be
up here right under 6%. Now, why do we
do that? Because super core, that's
where we're looking at clothing, that's
where we're looking at toys, that's
where we're looking at things people are
buying on a regular basis, appliances,
cars, obviously not appliances, cars on
a regular basis, but those are things
that consumers in aggregate buy on a
regular basis, not every individual
household. Uh, and the point of that is
those things are very visible and those
visible things are what JPL is nervous
about. He's worried that if we become
accepting of those higher prices, we
will sustain higher inflation for the
next decade, we'll actually have higher
rates, not lower rates in the long term.
Now, I think that's unlikely because I
think Jerome Powell is so concerned
about being wrong on inflation again and
ruining his I will fight inflation to
the death legacy that he'll actually end
up pushing us into a labor market
recession. And I think that's exactly
what Xandandy is worried about. He says
that you're actually going to see costs
continue to increase because of a lack
of workers. I don't really see that part
happening. I think you're more likely to
actually see workers fired, but
whatever.
uh then you'll see um you know basically
we both agree a declining labor market
and with the labor market stuck in place
unless productivity ramps up which we
don't think it will the economy's growth
will fall well short of the pace we've
come to expect or price in in markets
which is problematic because then we
might end up looking like a Germany or
Japan where we're constantly
really low growth or on the edge of a
recession
and He actually say like his bottom line
is it seems increasingly unlikely that
the labor force that's that's so you
know slogish and dead right now will
come back to life soon and instead it's
more likely that a recession is dead
ahead. Now remember Mark's argument is
the labor force is so weak that a
recession is likely ahead. JPA is, oh
well, we have so many inflation
concerns. We need to make sure we don't
have some kind of surge of inflation
expectations. Forget about the labor
market. Part of that is because JPA
believes that he can cut rates to zero
and turn the money printer on and save
the day. Which is partly true. It's not
just rate cuts, though. Remember that.
To really bail the market out, you have
to run the money printer. So, this idea
that, oh, we're going to boom on rate
cuts is is misleading. Big rate cuts
mean weak economy.
So where does that put us now as
investors? Well, it puts us nervous and
on edge for Jackson. Understandably so,
because JPAL can go in a few different
directions. He could set up a 25 basis
point cut, which the markets broadly
expect,
but it could be hawkish. If it's a
hawkish setup and he sets up only maybe
one rate cut this year, we might be in a
place that
JPAL walks us into a recession within
the next 6 months because the labor
market rolls over. We'll obviously get
labor market data again in September.
We'll also get our QCEW revisions the
first week of September. We won't
actually have the QC the quarterly
revisions uh which which will help us
understand the beginning of the year a
little bit better uh until September
this year. Previously, we got those in
uh August. So, unfortunately, it comes
after Jackson hold now. So, that means
it's increasingly likely that JPAL is
going to continue to set up this
pressure of well, we'll just be data
dependent. We'll wait and see. I don't
know. That's what markets are going to
be looking for right now. We'll see.
We'll keep you informed not only on the
channel. Make sure to subscribe, but
also in the alpha reports. Uh in
addition this this hawkish 25 setup
which which I think is probably the most
likely direction. I think JPA is also
going to hint around this idea of hey if
inflation expectations get away from us
we're going to have to hike rates. And
he's going to do that solely to try to
get people to get frustrated about
inflation and to reject higher prices.
If people stop buying stuff from
wholesalers or from stores because
prices go up in then then companies
can't increase prices and they take it
in the margin. The downside of that is
you're playing with fire because if
companies take it in the margin they end
up having to lay off workers. So either
way either way you slice it you're
you're definitely in a soft spot right
now and you got a hawkish Powell. Best
case scenario, Powell sets up for rate
cuts and we get a rebound in jobs in in
September for the August report. Best
case scenario, hey, we're going to start
with 25. We'll remain data dependent for
the rest. Everything looks good. Then
you get a big rebound in the labor
report. That would be fantastic. You
know, you get a a 200 Let me see what
the labor report is looking for right
now. You get a 200,000 jobs gain or
whatever report for next month. That
would be awesome.
That's when you could really rally to
all-time highs again. So, let's go look
at the labor report. So, labor for
September,
which will be going into Labor Day. Uh
let's get to
Okay. Jolts
stable where ADP is expecting to be. Uh
the survey is not out yet for ADP.
Non-farm payrolls current estimate is at
88,000.
Well, that would be okay. We could take
that.
That would be acceptable.
Uh survey of 88,000 above the 73 of last
time.
So, really, you have to beat that in in
the next report. That's what you're
looking for. Uh and that report will
come out on September 5th, on Friday,
September 5th. So, obviously, we'll
we'll cover that very closely. Uh yeah.
So, so that gives you kind of a setup as
to where Warren Buffett's head is. Rates
are coming down either way. Go long real
estate. That's what my positioning's
been with house hack. Go long real
estate. Rates come down, we're going to
be huge beneficiaries without any bank
debt. That's why like mega bullish on
house hack no matter what. Like rates
slowly down or rates rapidly down, we're
positioned great. You know, 14 15
million bucks in the bank. Uh you know,
we're ready to crank. plus what we can
refinance without bank debt, which is
awesome. Uh then you need this next jobs
report on September 5th to come in
bullish and Powell to set up rate cuts
to really get to new all-time highs.
If we get a weak labor report in the
next real estate still wins, but you
probably will start to see more
compression in in the stock market as
markets get worried about uh-oh, we're
going off a cliff here. Now, in
fairness, between now and then, markets
really love overreacting to unemployment
claims. These weekly unemployment claims
are really lagging data, and I highly
caution those, but it is something that
markets like paying attention to anyway.
And so, we'll see that this Thursday as
well. Uh, so anyway, with that said,
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>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
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