TRIGGER WARNING: Exposing Joe Rogan's Doctor McCullough
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everyone me kevin here in this video my
goal is to provide a summary of the dr
peter mccullough interview with a joe
rogan i'm going to provide claims 23 of
them and then i'm going to provide some
facts and the goal is for you to make
your own conclusion claim number one one
of the claims that peter mccullough
makes is that big pharma the government
and bill gates colluded in 2017 to
create the pandemic and push vaccines
for
profit purposes he also stated that the
government pharmacy or the
pharmaceutical industry did not provide
a focus on finding a treatment for covet
rather than just pushing vaccines now to
some degree i agree i'm highly pissed
off that our government did not promote
even preventative measures like better
masks most cloth masks are highly
ineffective this is why people hate
masks and masks suck don't get me wrong
but n95s could have been made with a
defense production act and we could have
had a government that provided better
mass that work for protecting people in
both directions that are closer to 80 to
95 effective we didn't get that we also
didn't get a government that focused on
hepa filtration in schools or businesses
instead we had a government that focused
on lockdowns i think this was very wrong
we could have focused on these
preventative measures but instead the
government and a lot of companies did
seem very focused on getting to that
vaccine point and even still today
nearly two years in we're still not
properly educating folks on the
differences in quality of mass and hepa
filtration which should be basic points
but our government has failed at doing
that and i hate the government for this
however i will say the pharmaceutical
industry did provide treatments early on
remember rem deserve other monoclonal
antibody cocktails such as that that
donald trump received when he was sick
at walter reed it's worth noting that
rem deserve according to the new england
journal of medicine showed that out of
562 patients point seven percent who
received drum desavier were hospitalized
compared to the placebo group who
received uh or where five point three
percent of individuals uh went to the
hospital almost six times as many folks
were hospitalized compared to those who
received from disavow and this was one
of the first treatments that we saw
during the pandemic now this is
interesting monoclonal antibodies are
expensive they cost around three to five
thousand dollars now some might say that
a vaccines are only like 20 and
monoclonal antibodies those are like
three to five thousand dollars so maybe
it would actually make more sense to
push treatments over vaccines because
they're more expensive but it's worth
noting that probably only somewhere
around one in a thousand folks would
actually get a treatment that is this
expensive compared to potentially
everyone who could get a vaccine the
margins on both of these seem to be
between 20 and 40 percent uh so yeah of
course they're profitable products uh in
uh in a pandemic and no doubt about that
so i understand the jade but when we
look at some of the data
there were treatments and now we have
vaccines and of course i'm a big fan i
want to say i am vaccinated but i'm a
fan of people having their own choice
when it comes to vaccination but i do
think that good solid research is
important to always have in our back
pocket now claim number two is that the
use of hydroxychlorquin was uh prevented
by the government and the goal for this
was to push vaccines instead of
hydroxychloroquine and one of the issues
here is the vast amount of different
literature that we have on
hydroxychloroquine and unfortunately
most of the research that we can find
that have has the largest
n number or research with the largest
amount of uh
trial participants that are also
peer-reviewed and had placebos do not
find that hydroxychloroquine is highly
effective they do not find that now
there are unpeer-reviewed studies that
do say that hcq is effective but the
peer-reviewed ones find it very
difficult to replicate
efficacy in hydroxychloroquine all of my
citations by the way will be linked in
the description down below so you can
fact check me as well in fact the fda
did approve hydroxychloroquine for
emergency use authorization on march
28th but ended up canceling that
emergency use authorization almost three
months later just
just under three months later
potentially because it was seen as an
ineffective way at treating covid it
gave some folks a false sense of
security and potentially led to
irregular heartbeats and uh and other
symptoms that that were not ideal uh now
it's worth noting that the journal of
american medical association found that
patients who received hydroxychloroquine
were not significantly better off than
those who did not receive
hydroxychloroquine they found that 10.4
percent of patients administered with
hcq died and 10.6 in the placebo group
died and so the difference here was
deemed to be marginal that it was better
to promote
potentially more effective treatments
like the pfizer or the merc pills that
we have now or the vaccines now again
i'm a big fan of choice for the vaccines
i have no benefit by trying to pitch the
vaccines but it makes sense to me that
if an individual believes hey if i get
sick i'll just have hcq and i'll be fine
and there are plenty of anecdotal
reports that hcq works when we actually
look for facts it's hard to find
broad-based peer-reviewed facts that hcq
works or works better than essentially
nothing and that's unfortunate but that
is what at least the research turns up
now claim number three is that japan and
mexico used hydroxychloroquine to
control covet and that mexico just used
it to flatten their most recent curve
the problem is if you research mexico
using hydroxychloroquine the last
article that i could find was from may
of 2020 and it talks about how a
hydroxychloroquine doesn't work when i
search japan and hydroxychloroquine i do
find japanese newspapers talking about
it but the only thing they say is the
world health organization warns against
the use of hydroxychloroquine so
dr peter mccullough's claim here is a
little unfounded at least
with the initial research that we were
able to conduct to suggest that japan
and mexico are using hcq and i think
it's really important when you have a
passionate person saying hey look at
japan and mexico their cases are going
down they're going down because they're
using hcq well where's the evidence to
back that up that becomes a little bit
problematic passionate speakers
providing evidence without
actually providing citations not ideal
and that's why all my citations will be
linked down below claim number four
modona colluded with pfizer the wuhan
lab and bill gates and others to create
the pandemic and vaccine back in 2017
and he claims it was all planned out by
johns hopkins now the problem here is
that we regularly have pandemic scenario
training and that coronaviruses are very
very common it wasn't just the sparse
pandemic which was a hypothetical
training scenario where a novel
coronavirus swept the world from 2025 to
2028. uh it wasn't the only one there
was also event 201 where in october of
2019
just two to three months before the
first people who got coveted started
getting coveted in china event 201 also
talked about a uh what they called it
the caps virus which was a novel corona
virus same thing so these hypothetical
training scenarios are very very common
and they frequently use or reference
coronaviruses unfortunately though this
leads to a lot of misinformation that
spreads on social media because people
say things like oh my gosh moderna
already had the vaccine before the covet
19 pandemic yet they failed to make the
conclusion that a lot of the vaccines
that existed for coronaviruses before
covet 19 were for different forms of
coronavirus like mers and sars these are
two
larger larger coronavirus strains that
created outbreaks that already have
treatments for
like mers which was found in saudi
arabia in 2012 or sars from the outbreak
in 2003. now remember coronavirus very
very common okay claim number five claim
number five is that dr peter mccullar
likens our situation to nazi germany and
it claims that we're under a mass
formation psychosis he says there are
four things for this one a prolonged
period of isolation lockdowns there must
be a withdrawal from things that we like
constant flow of anxiety like the news
cycle of hospitalizations deaths and
manipulative information
and a single solution offered by an
authority and he says that single
solution is is a vaccine it doesn't
matter what you take just take a vaccine
now i i think this is a little
potentially easier to to dispute than
just the fact that we're not really
under a prolonged period of isolation
most of us has quite frankly gone well
back to normal we do have a constant
flow of anxiety-inducing news there's no
doubt about that remember if it bleeds
it leads that's just the way the news
cycle works and there's some degree of
withdrawal from things that we like but
i wouldn't say completely i mean i think
a lot of people are going back out and
traveling restaurants bars parties
whatever
there is a single solution offered by
authorities and this i agree with peter
mccullough on is
maybe not necessarily suspicious the way
he puts it or the way he believes but
kind of a frustrating because i do
believe that
limiting the spread of covet can be done
very well with either for those who want
i don't think it should be mandated but
for those who want better masking if you
don't want to get sick wear an n95
respirator and properly fit it shave
properly fit it
and number two there should potentially
be requirements that if we wanted to
limit covet don't shut businesses down
or
you know force things that don't work
very well like miss random cloth masks
that don't function well rather than
forcing that how about forcing hepa
filtration so we can actually limit the
covet spread and kill covert germs in
the air hepa filtration works very well
at this so i agree that this push for a
single solution by our government is
very very frustrating uh but now do keep
in mind though that uh pfizer moderna
all of these have had good efficacy
against the initial forms of covet but
we have seen a substantial decline in
the efficacy of these because of omicron
especially with antibodies our antibody
response if you have a double double
dose of the vaccines is only expected to
be around 23 effective which is not
ideal prior illness antibodies from
prior illness are only expected to be
about 18 efficacious which is not ideal
and it really takes getting to a booster
to have about a 75 protection against
severe illness but you could still get
covet as well this is actually where i
think it's very frustrating and i agree
with dr peter mccullough that again we
shouldn't only be relying on vaccines
now fortunately knock on wood omicron
seems to be a lot more mild we won't go
deep on omicron research in this video
because i've done that plenty of times
in other videos and i hope that omicron
ushers in the end of the pandemic but
very very important to note where there
are some differences between claims that
dr peter mccullough is making which are
viral and exciting but potentially a
little further down the road and
starting to escape reality a little bit
uh there are some places i agree with
him though the sixth claim dr peter
mccullough he says or makes is that
asymptomatic people do not spread the
virus according to research this is
false according to the university of
chicago medicine asymptomatic spread
makes up about 50 percent of community
transmission all the citations again
linked down below claim number seven dr
peter mccullough says you can only catch
covid once joe rogan pushes back here
and talks about a friend who had gotten
sick twice and research shows that look
while natural immunity is good and
potentially has a longer lasting t-cell
response compared to the vaccines
meaning that natural immunity could
actually be better against
preventing a severe disease for a second
infection
ultimately
you can still get covered twice because
right now natural immunity as i've
already said is only 18 effective at
preventing you from getting sick again
which is unfortunate and that's just
because the uh the spike protein the
head of the spike protein has mutated so
much that our antibodies just aren't
that effective against this new strain
however our t cells are very effective
at identifying the full spike protein
not just the head they identify the pain
of the entire spike protein and
ultimately do provide substantial
protection and lasting protection again
more lasting protection found in t cell
response than antibody zone this is also
why a lot of mainstream media and and
the government are are suggesting
individuals get boosters which again i i
believe there's choice here uh i believe
in the boosters i recommend uh getting
the boosters i am boosted uh but i do
believe that uh the boosters give you a
nice boost of antibodies that are more
effective
than if you got your double dose six
months ago and your antibody efficacy
has dropped to 23 that's not ideal uh
you want to get back to that 75 level
with the boosters and and again choice
i'm not pushing or suggesting that you
have to get vaccinated uh claim number
eight
dr peter mccullough claims that if we
have used his treatment theories we
would have saved fifty percent of the
lives taken by coven now his proof his
citation for this because this is a bold
claim his citation for this is that he
testified under oath and told the senate
that 50 of people's lives have been
saved and he testified again in 2021 and
upped his
thesis to 85 percent of lives could have
been saved if people had used his uh his
methods the problem with this is
using yourself as a citation
is not proper argumentation
argumentation should be claim and then
provide actual third third-party
unbiased research and citations and we
do not have that for this claim in fact
if we look into dr peter mccullough's
fort worth study which he references
that oh we did a study in fort worth
there's no study
there instead what we have are articles
talking about how dr peter mccullough's
restraining order issued by his prior
employer baylor health are asking
basically peter mccullough to stop
referencing that he used to work for
baylor health because they reached a
confidential settlement so really
when if if you make a claim
and you reference a study and then i try
to look to study up and i can't find it
a little bit of a problem a little sus
all right then claim number nine the
doctor says that vaccines did something
to reduce hospitalizations early on but
after six months he says the vaccine is
statistically insignificant at reducing
mortality rates
this is
partially true but not fully true see we
have data that yes the vaccine efficacy
drops substantially but kaiser did a
study that showed pfizer still had a 47
efficacy after six months which is kind
of on par with a lot of flu shots anyway
this is not statistically igniting
insignificant like he mentions it's
still actually quite
decent especially when it shows 90
efficacy against hospitalizations even
after six months again research and
statistics down below
it is correct though that after six
months the vaccines do become a lot less
effective and this is why boosters are
recommended which i know is very
frustrating to many individuals who
don't want to live with getting shots
for their entire life and this is where
knock on wood omicron takes over
it ends up being mild and we just end up
living with a cold hopefully hopefully
knock on wood
now claim number 10 dr peter mccullough
talks about how bangladesh's handling of
covet where they had about 300 confirmed
pace cases per day
ended up handling the pandemic by using
a nasal oral hygiene process he says
that if you disinfect the nose and the
mouth with an iodine blast it knocks
down your viral load particularly the
delta variant now when we look at
research we find that most people
attribute bangladesh's low case numbers
to a complete lack of testing in
bangladesh we test about 1.8 individuals
out of 1 000 this is compared to 10x
that in the united kingdom or 19.4
individuals per thousand getting tested
claim number 11 on nasal sprays dr
mccullough says again all you have to do
is a little bit of peroxide or iodine
use a neti pot to in reduce your
infection risk uh but if you take a look
at this you find that there are quite a
few studies and again i'll link these
down below around the topic of a
providing iodine nasal sprays and
similar but i couldn't find any
peer-reviewed studies supporting the
claim that this would actually help in a
statistically significant way in
preventing
infection in one study 79 patients were
treated this way and found that patients
would be 19 times less likely to be
hospitalized when taking the nasal spray
twice daily but the study used the cdc
statistics as a control comparing 79
patients administered twice daily with
nasal sprays to 1 million
200 or 1 million 22 977 cases reported
by the cdc in the same time period this
is a very very weird way of conducting a
study because there was actually no
placebo control like if they took these
79 patients and said half are not doing
the nasal spray and half are
then we actually have a properly
controlled study because
you're doing the study yourself and
you're using the same measures on both
but if you're just saying here 19 people
who took the neti pot and uh and look
hey they were a lot less likely to get
coveted and you're comparing it to the
rate of other people getting coveted
during that same period of time
when when people who
are within the study or potentially
behaving in a different way or it's a
small subset of of the population or
people who really want this to work and
so so potentially they're substantially
more careful or whatever this this is an
improper way to conduct a study despite
the fact that it's even in a small
sample size and the study was not peer
reviewed so
the the evidence that we have here is is
weak at best on the neti pot
claim number 12 dr peter mccullough says
multiple countries sent him letters
telling him not to treat covet patients
now what's interesting about this is
there's no way to verify that he has
received letters uh suggesting that he
should not treat covet patients
we haven't seen these letters even if we
saw the letters it would be very
difficult to verify that they are
actually real so it's it's difficult to
research
somebody's claims when they use
themselves as a citation very frequently
and that does sometimes make this
process very frustrating but it can make
somebody feel or seem more credible when
they use themselves as a citation like
well i testified under oath i did this i
did that great but we need real research
and so far we're
we're lacking we're really lacking and
we're on claim 13 okay let's see if it
gets any better
uh dr peter mccullough complains that he
was not invited to talk at harvard and
other top universities
okay but there's also it's just useful
to know that speaking at universities is
not right claim number 14 dr peanut
peter mccullough claims that when he
testified to the senate about monoclonal
antibodies suggesting that they're not
being used and that they're extremely
effective at treating coven he claims
that the government is is under
utilizing these treatment methods and
this is where dr mccullough does have a
point that we should be focused on
providing early treatment as much as
possible that monoclonal monoclonal
antibodies might be something that would
be very useful the problem is these are
very expensive and hard to make and
that's not an excuse for not making them
but they're in short supply because they
take a long time to make
now fortunately the treatment is free
for individuals who do get these
monoclonal antibodies they are lab made
proteins that mimic the system's ability
to fight off harmful viruses they
counteract the virus before it can
destroy the body's organs they're
administered by an ev or an iv
so i'm thinking electric vehicles here
they're administered by an iv
and the fda does say that monoclonal
antibodies work they make it more
difficult for covet to reproduce in the
body in the new york times
they also mention that there is only uh
unfortunately one uh
monoclonal antibody cocktail that
actually works against omicron but the
problem is it's in such short supply
that hospitals are running out of this
so
here is actually a point where i agree
with dr peter mccullough we should be
focused
on using the defense production act or
whatever measures or or opportunities we
have to make sure we have enough
capabilities to treat people early to
prevent death so here i i agree
like what is our government doing i
completely agree i think we're on the
same page so we both dislike how the
government is handling things uh
there are some things that i just can't
agree with as much on and again the goal
of this is to provide a brief concise
summary of a three hour interview claim
number fifteen the doctor claims that
once you have coveted you were immune
forever
so we've kind of already touched on this
the cdc in october mentioned that uh
natural immunity and vaccine immunity
both offer
large levels of immunity but but neither
of them are near 100 that was before
omicron came around now we know with
omicron you're only 18 protected from
natural or with natural immunity 23
percent protected if you had a double
dose of either pfizer or mordor so you
can absolutely get covered again you are
not immune forever i this this is just
wrong claim number 16 dr peter
mccullough claims that doctors
recommending a vaccine is a violation of
the nuremberg code
all right well the conclusion here is is
pretty clear that first of all
i i agree that you shouldn't be mandated
to have a vaccine but beyond that uh you
know recommending the coven 19 vaccine
does not violate the nuremberg code
because ultimately vaccines at this
point are not experimental the vaccines
were approved via emergency use
authorization in the united states uh
and and once you have something that is
deemed non-experimental you don't
violate the nuremberg code now
individuals might believe that the
vaccines are still experimental which i
don't blame people for believing or or
thinking that it is important to be
skeptical with information and claims
that we hear but i think this is a
stretch claim number 17
dr peter mccullough claims that vaccines
have caused 18 thousands
18 000 deaths to date now for claim
number 17 and again citations linked
down below we just have a little bit of
a number mismatch here dr peter
mccullough claims that vaccines caused
18 000 deaths to date reuters fact
checked this and found that there have
only been
8164 deaths following the vaccines to
date now this is different dr peter
mckellar says there have been 18 000
from the vaccine well we only have 8164
after the vaccine
after the vaccine does not necessarily
mean that it was from the vaccine and
obviously this is something that is
hotly debated but there's definitely a
mismatch even if we said that every
single one of those 8164 deaths were
from uh the vaccine dr peter mccullough
is still overstating his evidence by
about two and a half x
overstating evidence
loose citations
citations to himself
not the best form of argumentation
however they sound very convincing in an
interview
claim number 18 he claims that 100
people died in elderly homes in norway
after receiving the vaccine research the
deaths were reviewed these deaths
particularly were reviewed by a group of
experts and published in the journal of
norwegian medical association the
norwegian medical association the review
concluded that for the majority of
nursing home patients there was no
connection between the vaccine and
subsequently dying keep in mind this was
a nursing home on average 400 people die
from different causes each week in
nursing homes uh in norway now the
russian media also used this a 100
norwegian death claim to prove that
western vaccines are not fair are not
safe however this is not the first time
that the russian media has run
misinformation campaigns against western
vaccines according to the guardian
uh the uh with with uh
well essentially with investigations
made with russian connections uh there
were determinations that health and
science youtubers and bloggers were paid
to falsely tell followers the pfizer
vaccine is uh causes 3x the deaths of
astrazeneca and that is responsible for
hundreds of deaths china by the way does
the same thing where the new york times
just last week exposed travel youtubers
in china from promoting positive travel
experiences in china while being paid by
the communist party of china
and then fake comments being posted like
oh preparing my trip to shanghai
misinformation is so so uncommon
unfortunately in our society these days
it's very dangerous
claim number 19 dr peter mccullough
talks about the prevalence of
myocarditis and young boys after
receiving the vaccine he says we will
see more and more cases all the way up
to 50 years old oh unfortunately here
for peter mccullough the latest data we
have is that there were 877 confirmed
cases of myocarditis out of 86 a million
doses and most of the
results of myocarditis were
mild symptoms and led to a rapid
clinical recovery within three months
these these are known symptoms of the
vaccination so this is correct but we're
not seeing people drop dead off of uh of
myocarditis there have been some deaths
but they are far and few between
relative to those who have mild symptoms
and then recover naturally without
medical treatment now it's also worth
noting
that there is a lot of evidence that
individuals
administering vaccine vaccines should
consider aspirating the uh their needles
essentially prior to
administering a vaccine to make sure
that they are not injecting directly
into a blood vessel the way this works
is needle goes in pull back a little bit
to see if any blood enters into the um
into the syringe if it does you may have
hit a blood vessel and this this syringe
should now be thrown away and a new one
should be used uh because the last thing
you want to do is pump this mrna vaccine
directly into somebody's heart because
that is what could lead to myocarditis
so there is a belief that a lot of this
could be due to uh improper uh
vaccination uh rather than
uh
rather than something that uh that is
much more common uh and unpreventable
and also leading to death
so uh claim number one now peter
mccullough claims that vaccines do
nothing to prevent the spread of covet
and only protect individuals who receive
the vaccine now uh to this i actually
somewhat agree with peter mccullough we
saw with delta that
we could still get breakthrough cases
and breakthrough spread of covet and
we're definitely seeing that with
omicron
and this is really a good argument
against vaccine mandates because it
should really be individuals deciding
whether or not to protect themselves
rather than uh create some sort of hurt
immunity because we're not really seeing
that vaccinated individuals are not able
to spread covet
claim number 21 occurs when dr peter
mccullough talks about monoclonal
antibodies again and he gives some
anecdotes about people he knows and his
own experiences of not being able to get
monoclonal antibodies again
yes i completely agree that the
government failed at uh making sure that
we have enough of these available claim
number 22 dr peter mccullough seems to
be a big fan mccullough seems to be a
big fan of ivermectin as a treatment
ivermectin has been true proven to
not help dramatically against covet
there are some unpeer-reviewed studies
that do suggest that there could be a
benefit to using ivermectin obviously
the uh
more left-leaning media has slandered
ivermectin a lot frequently referring to
it as a horse dewormer
but it has been used for for humans for
other purposes before there is a risk to
taking large doses of ivermectin we do
know this
but
most importantly
there hasn't been shown to be a
peer-reviewed study that clinically
proves that ivermectin absolutely helps
us reduce the uh the incidence of covet
or the the dangerousness of of covet
claim number 23 is that dr peter
mccullough claims that the sri lankan
government reached out to him asking how
to stop the spread of covet and
apparently he told them to use
ivermectin and after that case has
dropped significantly now the new
england journal of medicine tells us
that randomized controlled trials have
have multiple times over shown no
clinical benefit in ivermectin and
there's no study no citation no
government letter nothing that shows at
least that i could find that sri lanka
is actually using ivermectin this is
very similar to the nasal spray claim
that we can make these claims of like
bangladesh using these or mexico using
hydroxyl chloroquine and everybody
following his advice is doing well but
when we actually do research on them
it's very difficult for us to find
hard conclusions that support dr
mccullough's claims now
bottom line out of all of this
a lot of this is a
very dramatic interview
without a lot of really hardcore
evidence i think if we can narrow this
down and just agree that a our
government sucks they should be a lot
better at providing earlier treatment
better preventative treatment
better educational masking better
requirements for hepa filtration which
again might all be not terribly
necessary right now if omicron takes
over and ends up being a nothing burger
which knock on wood hopefully it is then
uh then and the pandemic ends great then
all of this doesn't matter anyway but uh
i i you know if i had to grade these 23
claims
on on uh research and statistical
factualness
maybe a d
uh it's just not very good
it's it's uh more emotionally charged
and uh unfortunately i i don't know that
all of the information
really should be broadcast without fact
checking so i have to say i was a little
bit disappointed again there are parts
where i agree with dr peter mccullough
and i made those very clear in here you
can review my research in the links down
below and in the meantime i appreciate
you for watching this if you found this
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see in the next one thanks bye
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