Kissing is Gross • EP102 | Drama Queens

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watching episode 2 places we have come

to fear the most um

I didn't expect to be affected friends

we all cried at the end I know you were

saying like during the zoom I mean when

we were just watching the episode

Hillary you were saying that

you you're it's you're really realizing

what it is that um was capturing

people's hearts because you know at the

time when we were on the show it's

harder to it's harder to see it's all

mixed in with everything that we're

experiencing behind the scenes too so to

just watch it back kind of

pure uh

with fresh eyes is um I'm getting it too

I'm starting to really get it yeah and

when you see it put together you know

edited just right and the music is just

right and it ends on that beautiful

Gavin degra song that's so emotional and

and then Lucas turns and looks at Pon

and says your art

matters know it's happening again it's

all three kind of choked up who admitted

it first it's what got who said it first

I did yeah I'm such a crier I'm the last

one to admit it wow I feel crazy I'm

crying but it was such a you know that's

what was great about this show is that

like we were saying before where

everything now in this um genre is

really heightened and high stakes and

like that Riverdale Vampire Diaries like

sort of high concept stuff uh the

superheroes and all that which is so

great I love those shows but yeah it's

fun but we what we don't have a lot of

right now is just um teenagers with an

attention span that can like sit and

watch I guess maybe that's what it is I

don't know if it's lack of content or if

it's just the fact that the world is

changed but it seems harder to sell this

kind of a show now than it did then but

back then like all you all you needed

was the very genuine real um emotion of

The Human Experience and something that

simple of the struggle of somebody

wanting answers and how they built it up

the whole episode until the end when

it's just one small vulnerable moment

and he just says that one thing to you

your art matters it's what got me here

he didn't have to say that but it was

vulnerable and it's exactly what every

teenage girl wants a cute boy to turn

and say something vulnerable and

meaningful to her I mean immediately I

was like 16 again like oh my God I just

want that well and I think what's really

interesting is that in a way that that

never goes away right yeah we all we

grow up and then we realize inside of us

are still scared kids everyone people

like this show I think so maybe because

one thing I will say is I get what you

mean like these high concept shows have

really evolved now but people are still

watching our show and I think it's

because at the root of it it gave a

bunch of people permission to be scared

to be vulnerable to be comp to feel

feelings and like no matter in what ways

they might have been succeeding or or

how good their lives were at home or

perhaps how rough their lives were at

home they had a place to come and feel

vulnerable and feel like they could take

risks you know it's a risk to turn

around and look at the girl at the

basketball game and say that to her when

her boyfriend is standing over there but

but we took these risks to be seen on

screen and I think so many people crave

that now it's such a teeny tiny moment

and I honestly like that line is the

line that fans say to me more than any

other line yeah and it is ingrained in I

have it embroidered from a fan like

hanging up on a wall in my house um and

it's to watch it back cuz I haven't seen

it since it aired is so weird CU it's

such a small moment and it made such a

big impact and like I'm coming off of a

weird weekend I literally just drove

through my hometown and hung out with

some friends from high school wow and

and shared all these like vulnerable

things with them that I didn't have the

Moxy or um confidence to tell them when

we were 17 in real life so to watch

these 17year olds on TV I mean it could

be us playing these people or like total

strangers but just to watch these

17-year-olds on TV like say things that

are earnest it's everything you want to

have the guts to say when you're that

age but it's just so hard yeah it's

shocking to watch fear of rejection yeah

yeah but in that moment on the court did

it feel like a big did you feel it in

that moment how powerful that was or

only within the storytelling that we're

watching back I think I was so scared of

the process of film making while we were

doing it that everything to me was like

how do I hit my mark how do I find lens

how do I like do all these things and um

and I joke all the time about how at the

time like Chad I I was so mean to Chad

when we first started shooting the show

I was just like don't even look at me

you're just a dumb boy whatever um

because I was such a snarky little brat

and so watching it I have this joke

where I'm like I believe in the power of

the edit right where you can like do a

totally dorky scene but when they lay

some good music on it I mean you know

what I mean when they P it together the

end of that episode I believe in the

power of that edit they did a really

solid job making that

feel like a punch in the

gut yeah and when you watch it you get

you get The Narrative of the edit you

get The Melody of the episode and when

we're doing it you know we're in the gym

for 18 hours that day you're not you're

not conscious of it and and it's funny

you know Joy you were saying something

earlier when we were watching about how

it's a blur for us cuz we did it for so

long and it was so many years and I did

something and I don't know if I told you

guys this and this was just an averaging

but I I went through and looked at you

know some time sheets and was like okay

so if I wanted to make an average of how

many hours we shot every episode and

then what that means over 187 episodes

it means that from you guys starting the

pilot to us finishing episode 187 we

filmed this show the conservative

estimate is

35,000 hours of Our

Lives what so that's why we don't

remember anything you guys like so the

cool thing is she's good at math she's

really good at math I hobby you just sat

down and did that so I crunched I got

the graph paper out yeah no like this is

the way in which I'm like this is why

when people ask me if Brook Davis and I

are similar I'm like so in some ways we

became similar and in many ways not at

all I love math and and I I needed like

a data point to understand why I

couldn't always remember things that

fans were asking and I'm actually so

excited to be here a cuz we get to do

this every week and I get to be with two

of my favorite women and B because now

we're going to get to experience what

they did cuz at the time we never did

yeah even if we saw an episode even if

there was like a big something we had a

watch party we were still filming

thousands of hours a year yeah and so

now we're just GNA like watch the show

and just see the edits did we ever have

a watch party the only watch party I

remember is honeyrove Texas where we sat

down with some fans and watch the show

but did we ever I remember one in uh

somewhere in landfall Center I think

there was some bar maybe that people met

up in to watch a a finale a finale or

something yeah I think it was near the

movie theater I can't remember but yeah

one Sports what was that I don't know

see this I won't remember but rarely we

did that but wait let's talk about

something that we have to address which

is the introduction of Brook Davis oh

hi she came in cute with that little

flippy hair dude yeah was the Rachel it

was like the grown out Rachel H that

hair I look back at it and I'm just like

wow I didn't I just didn't really know

the hair was so it it was I actually

sort of find it Charming because it is

very innocent and sweet yeah and and but

then the thing that is so traumatic for

me is that I'd plucked out half of my

eyebrows like so you talk about this I

love it I love the skinny 9s brows I

think that there's girl I'm telling you

I think it's very flattering but also

like I'm Italian I can't I can't get rid

of these by the way I'm so lucky because

they grew back when I stopped plucking

them out and I very thankful to my

mother and her mother for that your

eyebrows rubbing castor oil on my

eyebrows so I remember when you showed

up I thought you looked like Janine

Turner is that is that who I'm thinking

of wait exposure yes yes cuz she had

that cute mole and you have a cute mole

and I was like and and also just that

kind of like sultry like raise one

eyebrow give you that like side eye look

and I was

oh she's got that thing that thing and

cherylyn Fen has it too you know wow

like you you embodied those women who

just kind of had like a little bit of

mystery to them um and it was such a

good introduction to Brooke Davis

because she does she gives like such

good cheerleading side eye man you were

also exactly what the energy this that

the show needed that mean they

introduced Jake with the boys and you

with the with the girls on the girls

team and it was like every everybody got

a little we have we'll talk more about

Jake in a minute but um I loved what you

the energy that you brought it was like

just bubbly and fun and but there was a

depth there which we saw when you were

talking about um your future and you

know your fear and we were saying um in

when we were watching it we were talking

with each other and saying that uh that

line about you know I'll here's what

what's going to happen unless I get fat

and it's like I can see how so many

girls who went into audition would have

read that as like a funny line but you

know fam like talk about why you knew

how to nail that line yeah gosh I think

because and we we talked about this a

little bit when we first got together to

talk about this um I there was so much

about Brooke I didn't understand and

that I couldn't relate to and I I was so

scared to admit I didn't know so I I

like desperately trying to figure it out

and so the the sultry cheerleader I was

like they they yeah side eye I was like

that's what they do like i' never held a

pair of pom poms you know and and and

the interesting thing for me was those

were the things I had to find in her and

like her boldness and and her her very

overt sort of sexiness and stuff made me

scared but the the

fear I could understand because I was

afraid and then that fear in

particular I I really understood cuz I'd

seen girls who were in families like

that families that said you've got to do

this job or you've got to be in this

pageant or you need to do this and don't

you ever gain an ounce because then

you'll never get a man and you'll and it

I I watched girls wither under that I

had a friend in high school who had to

go to rehab for an eating disorder

because she grew up in a family like

that and it was heartbreaking and scary

as a teenager to see a friend go to the

hospital you know and and so for

me that

line to not play it as a joke to play it

as a deep-seated fear felt really honest

for things I'd seen

before that made all the difference with

your character right well did they ever

talk to you about the trajectory of

Brooke like did you know that down the

road Brook Davis would become like the

voice of reason you know no I mean my

God I I thought in the beginning and you

know we'll get to it in the next

episodes but if our if our OG fans are

here they've seen them before um like

you know I thought that the the stunt in

the backseat of the car which I think

might be in the episode after this was

like a one-time thing was a stunt I

didn't

know that you know they were really

going to try to push me to behave that

way to be this like

outlandish girl and now it's funny

because at the time I was like this is

ridiculous and high school girls aren't

promiscuous like this and now I'm like

who am I to call any woman promiscuous

rude but you know at the time I just was

like I don't know and and you know years

into the show I think they were just

like we're so sick of fighting with you

that we're just going to start to make

her more like you yeah um you won the

battle I won and then there were there

were like ways I got to be so bold like

later down the line you know when I

trashed that Cafe across from carons

like I would never do that but God don't

you just fantasize about like walking in

a room and just shoving everything off a

table like she felt so free to me in in

ways that I never did but but yeah I had

no idea what she was going to be all

they said to me was you know we've got

this show and it's so good and everyone

everyone's dealing with s sadness and we

need somebody who's really happy and

likes to mix it up and I thought when I

read that line about I'll be you know

successful and get everything I ever

want unless I get fat I thought oh

that's the

hint that's a hint for who she really is

yeah didn't you guys grow up hearing

like I'm going to go to college and get

my

mrss I knew I knew girls who grew up in

in the South who said that I don't know

what an mrss is I'm sorry your Miss

that's your degree you're going to go to

college to find H whoever you're dating

your senior year in college oh oh that's

such a southern thing to say is yeah I

mean where I grew up it was like oh yeah

I'm going here to get my mrss you know

all the engineers go to this school all

the Architects go to this school all the

lawyers go to this school yeah that's a

very Southern and well I guess like

upper upper echelon East Coast too but I

don't know that they'd say it that way I

mean the Rednecks still say it Joy the

yeah I know I mean yeah I was lived in

Dallas till I was 12 I should know

that's how you get out of that lower

that lower system you're like I'm going

to go get my mrss she got into the state

school she's GNA do well you know that's

[Applause]

funny think about the trajectory that

Brook took though that's so interesting

that you would start in that place of

genuinely like just being like all those

other you know example of all those

other type of girls that you are just

talking about um which I hate saying

anyway type of anything like just the

generalization everyone's obviously got

all their own individual struggles but

there is some sort of collective

Community similarity in that way that um

she would have come from and to see her

go from that to the incredibly empowered

woman that she became I mean that's such

an interesting

and heroic journey I loved that I did

too and I

loved I loved that she made it feel

possible for so many people and I loved

that she always found

it with women so many girls are raised

to seek validation from men you know and

I even think back to all of us being

kids and you know trying to figure it

out and be in relationships while we

were there and it that's how you think

you're a grownup but really you grow up

really you find your people in the women

in your lives first and

foremost and you know we've all been

together for a hell of a lot longer than

most of us have been with anybody else

you know it's true we've been in love

longer than I've been in my marriage

exactly and so then I was like wait how

long is it 12 I was like trying to do

the math real quick in my head I need to

write it down when I do it um but I I

thought that that would so special like

even you talking about her trajectory

you know Brooke launched her business

living with Haley Brooke made decisions

about her future with pton like I loved

being able to despite so many ways in

which like a group of old men writing

for us made us say sh that teenage girls

would never say your porn name come on

we would never yeah the porn name okay

as long as we're addressing it what are

our porn names yeah yeah oh wait oh no

what your first pet and your mother's

maiden name my first pet was Shepherd

and my mom's maiden name is well I can't

tell people my mother's maiden name

that's like questions that the social

security office calls and asks you wait

then what are our characters mother's

maiden names do we know that well then

we I just said mine so you guys go oh

yeah mine's bunny

Bard well do you know Ellie's maiden

name I don't know Victoria Ellie harp it

was harp oh I don't think pton had a pet

I had a dog named Misty I feel like she

would have had harp Misty harp Misty

harp definitely got her

mrss any Misty Harps out there I'm so

sorry I just want to fully disclose that

that was just a joke um gosh I don't

know that Victoria had a maiden name

that I was aware of um but my our first

dog's name was bouncer cuz my mom us to

that he was her bodyguard so bounc Davis

is kind

of hideous when you think about it in

terms of visual it's a

visual I just see boobs

everywhere um but totally not something

that a teenage girl would talk about by

the way Joy you handled the naughty talk

baby you hand here's why here's why I

had to because oh my gosh wait guys we

have a producer it's Victoria Montgomery

see this is why we have people helping

us make this show because they know the

things we don't so bouncer Montgomery is

even worse bouncer

Montgomery it sounds like an old like

Southern Gothic oh my God William fauler

character but go back go back CU you're

right you you nailed it the reason why I

had to was I mean it's definitely

something that I would have said

something about like I don't want to you

know why are we talking about this this

is not something teenage girls would

have talk about and I was also really

conservative and um at the time and just

very you know uncomfortable at the time

at the

time I'll tell later disclaimer we'll

talk more about where you are now after

the show um but I look I mean when I

joined the show I was told in no

uncertain terms this show is about fing

and

sucking oh my God I can't believe they

said that to you that's what I was told

I just almost spit lroy out of my nose

got what like if she's going to be prude

she needs she can't be on this show and

it was just so outrages so anyway so I

knew that you know like I was GNA have

to like be and you know I knew my

character so I wasn't concerned that my

character was like going to go in a

direction that I would have felt

compromised in or whatever so I was like

okay you didn't think you were going to

wind up naked in a back seat I didn't

like if it was on

to God I'm gonna sing you a song

to yeah so when that line showed up in

the script I was like okay I'm just

gonna I'm just gonna pardon the pun I'm

gonna suck it up and

[Laughter]

uh oh my God it writes itself oh my

God yeah so um that's where that came

from anyway but by the way two episodes

in a row now Haley's making comparisons

to Dawson and Joey yeah cuz you say it's

Dawson's freak like did you think that

Haley and Lucas were hooking up in the

show I did I thought for sure same yeah

I think that's what they they were

originally going for but Chad and I had

no chemistry so it just didn't

work yeah I mean I kind of felt that way

with James because when I met James on

the pilot like we went out with our

parents you know and like we were

buddies and I I Al was like such a prude

that I hadn't like really kissed that

many people in real life so you know

kiss it kissing James on the show was

like weird and that was hot and heavy in

the back seat yeah you guys had to go at

it in that car no they they shot that

scene multiple times CU they realized

that like neither one of us had ever

kissed on television before right right

so which means like neither one of us

had

Le being directed the very first scene

that you ever have to like hook up is

the weirdest thing ever because it's not

real so you're like oh no tongue no

tongue is this a conversation we need to

have hands where those go and you're a

teenager you're so awkward talking about

your body or kissing anybody in the

first place and I was 21 and James was

17 and there was a legality thing in the

back of my mind where I'm like oh God am

I going to prison like what's happening

so there was just so much going on and

there's 40 people standing around and

you're shooting it at 4:00 in the

morning and everybody just wants to go

home and you're like God damn it just

kiss me the way we're supposed to kiss

and like I don't know what to do and

you're supposed to know what to do I

don't know what to do yeah they're like

run your hand up her leg and he's

probably like is this is this okay can I

do I don't Joy they did a whole series

of inserts of just his hands on

different body parts of mine and I'm

just thinking like did I put lotion on

Did I Shave Did I Shave like are we

supposed to shave from the knee up now

because I've been one of those girls

where like you were a [ __ ] if you shaved

from the knee up you know and I don't

think it was till I joined the show that

I was like oh yeah I guess I should do

that um when they start doing insert

work on your thigh oh my God yeah it was

just that was so um

traumatic and oh my God I never I didn't

think about this till just now what you

know what made me realize that James was

like a

child is that we did this like whole

take of kissing and it went on and on

and on and on and I'm like somebody yell

cut somebody yell cut this is so

uncomfortable and finally they yell cut

and James goes sorg and I was like what

is that I said sorg I remember that what

is sorg and he goes it's gross backwards

and I you made t-shirts Hillary I did

you God talking to a teenager right now

she's a literal teenager sorg

Sor kissing you is sorg kissing you Sor

right now yeah oh my God it was gross

guys sorry oh my God that's so funny God

I was jealous cuz I was like all the

Joy's kisses with James seem really like

like passionate and really like gentle

and loving and James and I like we were

like two um cobras just biting each

other was they really captured the

teenage hormones like attacking each

other is this how we do smash your face

against mine come on yeah let's headbutt

each other chip our teeth yeah but

interestingly It Feels So authentic oh

for sure like so much of what was so

special about the show is how authentic

things felt and how honest they were and

like unpolished who was your first kiss

in real life Sophia go no you go okay my

got him red I mean I had like a there

was there was like a summer camp kiss

with this really tall greeneyed Spanish

boy wow who's very tall and like and

like chubby and just super like like a

big like a linebacker and he kissed me

out on the ropes course at summer camp

but there was no tongue there was no

tongue it was just lips and I wrote that

in my diary it was a smooch but it was

like slow and sweet but then my French

kiss my first French Kiss was this

boy and we were in his basement and he

kissed me but he licked all the outside

of my mouth all like like I don't I

guess neither of us knew what we were

doing but I definitely know I was like I

feel like this is not the way it's

supposed to be done no no Isn't it nice

that there's not video evidence of that

thank

you oh man oh no I will say and I will

never tell you who but I had one of the

most aggressive and inappropriate kisses

I've ever had on camera on our show what

oh I know exactly what you're talking

about you know what it is yep I feel

like Joy I've told you this but this

sounds I will never reveal to the

audience but I was bitten by someone oh

that's right uhhuh on our show and when

I for it the whole time now I I don't

think that take made it cuz I hit him I

mean I didn't like hit him in the face I

just like shoved him back cuz it really

hurt and I said what are you doing and

he goes I'm being sexy and I was like

it's not

sexy you're like I'm Bing there has to

like somewhere there's probably that in

and outake and for his sake I hope it

doesn't come out because like I don't

want to ruin his future prospects but oh

man I was like you need to talk to

someone about this and don't bite my

face again sir sexual activity is such a

luck ofth draw thing as you grow up in

life like who you end up being able to

kiss yeah exactly I mean that's it makes

a big difference Hillary did you kiss

for the first time well my first like

prude kiss um no tongue kiss that's the

differentiation tongue no Tong yeah

exactly tongue no tongue first no tongue

kiss I'm doing the music man in fifth

grade and there's a sixth grade boy who

has really good hair and is a very good

dresser and um in the play with you

totally in the play with me okay and is

such a babe and we get along and we like

all the same things and so I Googled him

as an adult and he is a hairdresser and

a flight attendant now and he definitely

um is gay and I feel so

like flattered that he thought I was

worth kissing in my super awkward years

like it was one of those things I was

like oh my god of course like yes um our

energies were very but also that's been

a common theme in my life ever since you

know

um and then tongue kiss was I had

started dating a really bad boy in high

school like a bad boy and I was not a

bad girl and he I guess had like the

chick he dated before me like had a kid

and stuff like he was definitely

sexually active and I wouldn't kiss him

for like eight months like I was like

eight months you would kiss him months

no I'd like Peck him but I was like if

you put your tongue in my mouth I'm a

[ __ ] like that's it it's over and so

finally homecoming night we went to

homecoming we come home he's dropping me

off I finally like lean over and he puts

his tongue in my mouth and it's like

he's a very he's very experienced and

he's a very good kisser and all of a

sudden the brights of my dad's truck

flip on behind us and I'm just like God

of course in course of course um

yeah it was you know was like sit Cal

I'm just like thanks Dad I finally you

ruined my moment you ruined my tongue

kiss dad Sophia who are you suck face

with oh man it's so sweet my my first no

tongue kiss and my first franch kiss

were with the same person no are you

serious yeah my you guys my high school

sweetheart until the end of my junior

year in high school was my best friend

from summer camp since I was nine oh my

God like the sweetest little bunny just

the best person the best person and I

feel so I feel like on the one hand so

lucky and on the other hand I'm like you

were so nice that you made me so naive

in the world godamn it like I just had

no idea but yeah I don't know it was

just like so lovely it was a sweet way

to kind of grow up and like fall in love

and have it last for so long and I

remember when we were just like we'd

been together for so long and we'd never

experienced anything else and um and I

mean did you talk about getting did you

think you were going to get married in

high school oh for sure I was like I was

the Haley James I was like this is it

and I also think back and I'm like that

sweet teenage boy who never pressured me

into having sex with him who just was

like it's okay that you're not ready

like literally for years for almost a

decade my god when you consider the fact

that we like fell in love and held a

hands at some camp at 9: um you know we

broke up when we were

16 and I

remember just being devastated I

remember laying on the floor like the

cold tile floor of the bathroom just

sobbing cuz I was like I I don't know

how this has happened and I know it's

right but what's going on and I went to

school and I had told my best friend and

when I like walked into school she came

to meet me we we walked in and everyone

was like oh my God what happened cuz I

think I looked really sad and she said

she looked at two of the girls we were

at friends with and she goes the couple

of the century just broke up and they

said we heard about Brad Pit and

Jennifer Aniston and and they were like

no you ding-dongs or it was Brad and

gwenth back then actually what am I

saying and we were all so sad cuz they

were like so emo and hot and they had

the same haircut the same haircut yeah

and she was like no sof and everyone was

like

no we were like the Teenage Love Story

it was so sweet

a speaking of sweetness let's talk about

Brian

Greenberg the sweetest he was such a

good energy too he really was we got

robbed when he went and did his other

show we like an HBO show we were like

fine I feel like we'd all have had a

much I just feel like things would have

been better if he'd stayed I might be

giving my cards away here all of our

cards L listen Sophia and I so so at the

time all so in love with him we really

were yeah Joy you were hanging out with

Chef you were like on the chef train and

Sophia and I over at the Riverview

Suites I remember riding down in the

elevator of the Riverview suites with

you and I was in a relationship so I

could not say I think Greenberg is cute

but I was like he's so he's so fun and

he's just he's like he's really cool you

know and you were like uh oh yeah yeah

yeah yeah you and I were like little

girls just being like Oh my God he's so

cute oh my God like when you're so young

that you get excited that someone else

thinks the person you think is cute is

cute cuz it's just so exciting to

share yeah and you had that damn guitar

everywhere oh my gosh that's right G

yeah he was a babe and by the way like

stay bab like he's still the nicest dude

on the planet I love how much he loves

his wife like he is the guy that he was

then like there was nothing false about

him that's what I loved about him as an

actor too is when you watch him on

screen he there's there's nothing fake

he's he can't be um anything other than

just re real in that way you know he's

so genuine yeah when he takes that

bag when he takes Nathan's bag in just

my heart cuz it's such a sh thing Dan

does to Lucas going hey son and then

it's you know his son the again another

double on Tandra um but and you see the

Heartbreak on Chad's face playing Lucas

in that scene and you're just like it

knocks the wind out of you and then

Brian comes in don't let him take it and

just takes the bag and puts it over his

shoulder hold on though I love how we

refer to most of the actors by their

character's name but with Greenberg

we're like but Brian like he did it for

real like it was really his

choice Brian's a hero Brian Brian I was

told you know in like season

two that pton and Jake were endgame and

I was like oh weird really and I think

they just said that to throw me off the

trail you know what I mean this is a

good place for us to talk about this cuz

we all got told lots of things that

weren't

and I was told by the way from day one

that pton and Lucas were

endgame like I signed up for a pilot in

which pton was not willing to admit that

she like loved the you know the emo boy

yeah and so you got told Payton and Jake

were endgame but I think they did that

because they wanted me to not lean into

the chat of it do you know what I mean

like it was a it was a mind game oh

heaven forbid they just tell us what our

jobs are as actors cuz we're

professionals um it's like why did they

want us to like be weirdly invested in

things behind the scenes Joy did you did

you always know it was going to be Haley

and Nathan or did you think it was going

to be something or someone else no I was

surprised I thought it was going to be

Haley and Lucas for a little bit but

then our energy was so

sibling that there was just

no yeah it just didn't that didn't

happen um so I don't know I'm trying to

remember remember I think it was yeah

once uh I I'll be interested to see when

this happens because I think it's later

on in season 1 when Haley starts

tutoring Nathan and right I think that

was originally just supposed to be an

extra conflict of interest with Lucas

like Lucas's best friend is now has to

work with Nathan but James and I you

know who knew we had chemistry and on

screen and and as soon as we started you

know getting on together it was like

people started liking it and there were

message boards back then and I so I'm I

don't know it would be nice to talk with

some of the writers on our show who were

there at the begin I was told after the

pilot I was told after the pilot that

that Nathan and Haley were going to be

like you were really yeah yeah oh wow

yeah that was part of the reason they

recast because they were like no we need

Nathan and Haley like she is going to

fix him and I was like yeah interesting

yeah so I I mean they told me and that's

why they were like you know we need

someone who is sexy so but like doesn't

act like it you know so that Nathan gets

drawn in by this understated thing and

so so all of my codependent issues

really worked for me in this

storyline yeah I was here to save him

yeah every good high school girl with

codependent issues guys we cannot bring

home the fixer uppers like we for any

teenage girl listening right now nope

don't bring home the baggage just leave

it at

school and anyone who tells you you make

me want to be better uhuh no no Run for

the hills yeah yeah I remember my dad

using a metaphor that he thought I would

understand cuz my parents literally in

college I rescued so many dogs and I

would always bring them to my parents

house for a night before I could figure

out where to take them this is a

metaphor for the relationships it is it

it'll get there it'll come back around

my dad was like if you bring home one

more stray dog into this house where we

already have dogs I will literally

change the locks and never let you back

in so I was like okay I guess six was

too many but okay fine and years later

you know fast

forward I don't know we're in our like

mid 20s and my dad just said no more

sick puppy

rescue dogs not people and I just

remember being

like and just sobbing cuz I'd never I

didn't understand that that the sort

of I don't know that that desire or that

subconscious thing basically Joy what

I'm saying is I also have codependency

issues and I'm glad we share that and um

I just I didn't know that that was

bleeding into spaces where it could be

you know detrimental to me and so yeah

yeah yeah baggage at school puppies at

the shelter just keep just keep your

keep on moving healthy out there kids

there's there's healthy out there I

promise um can we talk about Dan oh yeah

cuz this really was like a Dan Centric

episode manipulating all the kids but

it's so weird to see how young all the

parents are in the show and as a parent

now it it is interesting to watch those

storylines which uh we noted earlier

that it was

uh well I I'm recognizing for the first

time why one of the reasons why our show

is so popular among such a broad age

range because you could watch it with

your kids um in in high school or you

know whatever I don't know what age is

appropriate for this show but um at the

time you would watch it with your young

adults and then the grown-ups would

watch it as well because they had that

they were interested in and um I think

it's really cool I'm liking watching the

parent storyline now I didn't really

care much when I was 20 well when Dan

tells Nathan you Nathan says oh he's

hitting on my girlfriend right in front

of me and Dan says you know if you're

going to get in a fight get in a fight

over something important I remember

feeling so slighted as a young person

but now as an adult like if my son came

home was like I got in a fight over a

girl I'd be like you big idiot like what

are you doing doing and so to find

myself as a grown-up siding with Dan

Scott like yeah what have I

become that's

crazy yeah and Karen and watching Karen

um you know not go to the game and

wrestle with like I want to support my

son but I just can't go be that must

have been hard I I I'll be curious to

know what Moira has to say about that

cuz that's that's a hard choice to

justify like to not be able to get past

your

own uh issues with the you know for her

for K not to be able to get past her

issues with Dan and Nathan not show up

have you gone back to your high schools

in real life yes when did you

go

um five six seven years ago seven years

ago probably just walked through the

halls I went back for a fundraiser but I

don't even remember when it's got to

it's got to be at least that long it's

just so weird because we have these like

fake high school memories and like the

sets that we walked through as as as

many times as we walked through our real

high school Halls you know and so to go

back to like the real space that scene

with Karen being like you know what did

what did she say that place knows too

much I can't go back there that yeah

what is it that place knows too much

knows too much I got chills when she

said that yeah how I feel when I go

home I think we all have places that

feel like that and I think in in a way

isn't it interesting that our show has

carried that energy for us in a sense

until we've been like no wait this is

ours and we made it and it was awesome

we're taking it back you

know it it's a big thing and and joy to

your point what when you asked like I

wonder how Moira did that I think

our experience in Wilmington actually

being so isolated on our show because it

was like it was all college kids and

retired people mostly like the but it

really was it really was like we just

had each other it was very ins it was

very small and so I think at times when

we were figuring ourselves out it could

make failure feel so much

bigger and I don't know I I would almost

wager

that maybe for her it was every single

person who's in that gymm tonight has a

story about me like there's no anonymity

in a town like Tree Hill that was kind

of part of the point um was how in

everybody's everybody else was so I

don't know I'd be curious to know that

yeah for sure yeah this was also the um

the episode where we got to hear the

theme song for the first time yeah we

had our opening credits yes I don't want

to be

anything

every time that song comes on and I like

walk into a restaurant or whatever I'm

like hide or am I like proud of it do I

like walk around like I secretly feel

like you're being punked I it used to be

that like in supermarkets or in

restaurants it was on a loop so you knew

that like no one it was just like a

block of music that played over and over

again now with the way like Spotify or

like technology works I feel like I'm

being punked cuz it's everywhere I'm

like are we being followed are they

tracking our phones does someone think

this is funny like what is that they're

like it could be her or it could not be

her but this is how we're going to find

out and then they

hit and then if you get weird if you get

socially awkward it's her it's her it's

totally her oh God I do love that song I

still love it I think it's such a good s

that whole album is really strong Gavin

de what's the album It's Chariot right

album is called Chariot and the song at

the end of the episode was a Gavin de

song also called belief which is a super

powerful song he's such an amazing

songwriter do you ever partying with him

at Firebelly when did he come visit was

it the Cheryl Crow episode yeah the

Cheryl Crow episode he came back to

visit he was there a few times he came

back in the end too yeah he was in and

out yeah he he played like our kickoff

party I think like when we premiered he

came to Wilmington and like played at a

bar or something but I just remember

like being around a pool table with

Gavin de being like wow he's really

famous that's

crazy yeah so cool that he sang Our Song

yeah he did he's fun time too he's a

great guy did you tour with him yeah yep

I went on tour with him and Michelle

Branch and um yeah he's just like he's

got that Swagger he's got that like you

know deep artistic Soulful heart but has

also like got a he's a great time he'll

just you know shoot the sh with anybody

he'll have a conversation with anybody

from anywhere he's a curious person and

I just think he's a super cool guy cool

we tou on and off and yeah he's a good

guy has he ever come to one of the

conventions no but he should they

totally should bring him out Gavin if

you're listening Gavin don't be a dork

come hang out with us it's so fun we're

a great time we'll just bring him on

this show is what we need to do I had

one of my coolest moments with Gavin

when he opened for Billy this years

later this after the show was ended he

opened for Billy Joel on Billy Joel tour

anybody that knows me knows what a freak

I am about Billy Joel like I know every

song I know every word to every song I'm

he's my favorite so I went to the Joel

concert and he was opening and I I had

like I texted him but you know I didn't

hear I was like you know he's in getting

ready to do a show he's not going to

respond so I was sitting in the front

and he and Gavin does his song and he

starts doing our theme song and he's

like walking down around the audience

and it's like a Hollywood Bowl so you

can come down the side of the stage and

come around the middle and up the middle

and as he comes around up the middle

he's got security around him and I was

like it and I just like I told my friend

who I was with I was I'll be right back

and I just ran out into the aisle and

like rushed him like a crazy fan and

like got right up in his face like and I

was like and I and I I was like either

he's gonna see me and he's gonna let me

sing this with him or he's gonna be

totally freaked out and like they're

gonna the security is going to take me

away but I'm going to like take the risk

anyway I'm at a belly Joel concert I

have to do it oh my God so I ran up and

uh and he he definitely was like uh and

then his face switched when he saw me

and recognized me and was like oh my God

like brought me in and we sang on the

mic together for a second like it was so

great and then he went up they put us up

on the big Tron or whatever the big

screen is we were there singing together

so I sang at a Billy Joel concert

technically that is cool that's stet red

Joy

Prett cool he texted me afterwards he

was like I have a cold you might want to

take some vitamin C when you get home oh

no also though I just love your boldness

you're like I'm going to rush to rush

the performer Joy you're iconic yeah I

would have been too scared like what if

TMZ had been there to catch me getting

like you know clotheslined by

security who's the broad you know life

is short oh man I like that you went for

it um

speaking of going for it this whole like

pton art thing um people all the time

want to know who drew those pictures

like I'm just going to say it it wasn't

me we had like trained professionals

that did all the artwork and so all the

stuff that you see um maybe our awesome

producer can pull up her name yeah it be

nice to know the name of the person that

did all that I don't know I don't know

if it was the same person All Seasons we

we had such a great art Department you

know some of the artwork though that was

taped up to the wall that Payton tears

down was stuff that I drawn during the

pilot and then they just like ripped it

out of the notebooks that they' given me

and taped it up cuz it was like we got

to cover some wall space um so all of my

real art is the trash art guy and it was

drawn by it's on there Hillary in the

chat they just yeah Helen Ward did Helen

do all seasons I mean it's iconic people

make you know those canvases that they

want us to sign a convention money off

of that I do too where's her little

coffee table book pton pictures sad

stuff you are matters what you know

what's so weird is that when the show

started it was like art art art art art

art art but I'd come from MTV and I'm

like not an Arty lady but I did have

like the music thing going and so the

transition from art to music for Payton

it was one of those things where it was

like art imitating life you know and and

Sophia you just talked about this like

your character had to turn into Sophia a

little bit more in order for it to fit

right Joy did you feel I mean they added

you becoming a musician because you were

such a skilled musician in real life you

know yeah they did I mean I think that

our I did love that about the show that

there was a heavy

heavy bent

on

artistic um prowess being uh whether it

was writers or people who were reading

you know great literature or art great

music um I mean those are cornerstones

of our show that um again something that

is a little harder to find now in this

genre and um I just love that and and

yes I think you know just total

Providence um coincidence whatever you

want to call it that I was able to um be

cast on a show that had that one of

music as a major Cornerstone and that

you know I I never came on the show

thinking I was going to play a musician

ever and I don't think anyone planned

that um and uh yeah Mark heard me

singing to myself in a parking lot um

and just decided to he was like hey do

you want to sing on the show I was like

I don't know do I maybe I don't know I

really didn't know cuz I was like I just

there was so much I was uncertain about

at the time but yeah I'm really glad

that I did it was just super cool um

opened up a lot of doors for me it's

cool yeah and I think you know to your

point the idea that we got to talk about

music and

writing and and really Elevate

their sort of Pathways into feeling and

Human Experience and

catharsis those are things that a lot of

people weren't getting and and we were

all talking during the episode

about how interesting it was like even

in that scene with Lucas and Karen in

the cafe when he's so mad and she's

yelling at him because he got in a fight

with Nathan at school and he's just he's

being a boy you know he's expressing

anger and frustration and and to see

that in that character and then the flip

side to have Nathan's character being a

little boy who's been pressured to

behave like a man and like the wrong

kind of man you know a a petty um

narcissistic man it it was so incredible

to kind of have these men on this

seesaw of feeling it gave all these

people permission and and we obviously

as as the girls got to do so much of our

own um you know I was going to say leg

work and I'm like I guess it's heart

work like emotional stuff but I think

that's part of why it's really lived for

a lot of people still is because they no

matter what end of the spectrum you come

in on you you feel represented in some

way and and I would like to think you

you feel permission to like feel your

feelings and your own complexities and

things well did boys cry on T I see I

was never watching Teen dramas so the

only boy I ever like know cried on TV

was Dawson because I see that Meme of

James Vander it's like a meme um but did

did boys cry on TV back then oh I'm sure

they did I'm sure there really know I

feel like there was an episode of Luke

Perry crying on

902 Chad Chad was really really good

yeah about being vulnerable as a boy you

know and not

having to play that toxic masculinity

thing of like I don't feel anything I'm

dead inside you know yeah he he went for

it and I think that's such an

interesting thing too you know that that

they wanted him to play

Nathan and he he wanted to do something

different than he'd been doing for his

career yeah and and you know isn't it so

funny that then and we've talked about

this before but like you had sweet

little baby James comeing to play Nathan

he's he's such a sensitive soul and then

had to come in and be bad and it's I

don't know it's just so it's so

interesting all the things that we all

were able to try and and the ways we had

to push ourselves to be these people

have you guys ever seen James's audition

tape cuz like I know how James enters a

room and it's like hey it's nice to see

you cool cool you know and it's like so

chill and then when they just start the

scene like I can't imagine that like

turn in the audition where it's like oh

no I'm evil you know it's so wild I also

it's striking me in this moment because

you know Hillary you were talking about

how um like even in your scenes like

when when pton and Lucas would be doing

these emotional scenes like Chad would

always you know meet you there yeah and

then Joy I remember asking you something

when we were working early early years

and I was like how do you do that though

like what what's the mechanism to cry

like that like I have to get so sad and

you just looked at me and you were like

well you know I just kind of and you did

this like thing you went somewhere in

your head and you looked to the side and

then you were crying and I was like what

are you kidding me it was like the most

magical thing I'd ever seen and and In

This Moment it's hitting me that you

know you guys you and Chad really came

in having had the most experience on

sets and like me Hillary and James

didn't know anything and so puppet yeah

man but it's but it's cool cuz I

realized that in this moment I'm like oh

right you guys had like these amazing

performer skill sets that oh I just

remember I remember watching you do

things and just being like wow a well we

had a lot of fun we had a lot of

opportunities to do that and you got a

lot more opportunities to to do all that

too so I mean I think Brooke took such

you built it for yourself yeah you

really did and I'm so excited for us to

see more of that the next episode is is

the famous one of you in the backseat of

the car I'm pretty sure that's the next

one um but you know we get to know a

little bit more about Brooke so to all

our friends at home we heard you all

really liked our most likely toos last

week and so the three of us did a little

digging on the internet and we dug up

some pretty excellent most likely too

I'm so excited about these like they're

so ridiculous we would like if you guys

continue to find this fun to pick one

every week and decide who we want to

attribute it to what is the one for this

week all right are we pulling it is

there a drum roll's pull

go oh okay who is most likely to go on

The

Bachelor not that we've seen her yet but

the moment I saw that come out of the

Hat my first thought was Deb oh yes yes

yes she's like I deserve a second

chapter I've been dealing with SC for

decades yeah I'm GNA

say probably Rachel oh my God it's youan

like denil hasn't appeared yet but

Rachel did

Maxum um yeah I mean she did all sorts

of weird stuff and then didn't after I

left didn't she end up doing like a TV

show with Dan Scott or something weird

oh yeah she ended up well do we give

away the spoiler I heard a rumor that

they ended up together like she's

totally the person end up on The

Bachelor yeah she ended up with the rich

guy on a private jet you're right it's

Rachel God bless I love her okay you

guys are flooding our inbox we love it

so much it's so cool to hear from all of

you um okay so we have some quest with

listener questions are you girls ready

for this o I don't know how invasive are

they I'm not feeling witty today I'm

sorry I was going to say something about

my last Gynecology appointment but that

would be totally

inappropriate okay um Simon was

wondering what your first impressions of

each other were which we talked about a

little bit and whether they still remain

the same now and do you think filming on

location in particular made you all much

closer well I still think Sophia's

beautiful and I was blown away to find

out that she was so incredibly brilliant

as well like what an what an amazing um

double double header double hitter what

do they call it God really doled out

with both hands on you kiddo she's a

winner listen the I remember realizing

how smart Sophia was when we started

doing crew Christmas presents and we

would get the entire crew Best Buy gift

certificates and sopia was the person

that was like you guys are stressing me

out I'm gonna handle this and she would

go to Best Buy by like a thousand gift

certificates and then have the lists of

names and figure out who got what what

and like be in her trailer just managing

that and it was a big task girlfriend

you got the money she got all the money

from everybody she organized B yes and

that was pre venmo yeah and Hillary I

still think you're also beautiful and so

cool and so Soulful and smart and I mean

yes our my first impressions of both of

you stuck and have deepened for sure

100% Hillary you're like wickedly

intimidatingly

and sew

yourself and and actually something you

share I was just about to Pivot to you

Joy but I realized one of the things

that like I love the most about you both

and that also makes me feel intimidated

because I feel like I don't know

anything is you have such a deep well of

like expert level musical theater

knowledge so sometimes when the three of

us are

together but when the three of us are

together one of you says something and

then you go off on a tangent and I'm

like where where are they going what are

they talking about what is that it's

usually straight to Jean bjan yeah it's

it's lame Miser into the woods it's one

of the two yes

always my my first impression of joy and

this is something that continues to ring

true is joy is the All-American Girl

Next Door she is wholesome and like so

easy to love right out of the gates but

joy has a naughty streak that I always

felt so privileged to know about and so

just recently we have a mutual friend

and we were talking about joy and she's

like you know Joy's just so wholesome

and so good and I'm like what Joy are

you hanging out with because I know I

know party joy and she is

fun yeah when Joy when Joy lets you into

that cut loose Circle you've made it

that's the that's the upper echelon it

feels real nice because it's true you're

so beautiful and talented and you sing

like an angel and and I think because

you were playing yeah Haley we all were

like a and then and then into like the

whiskey nights and you're just like oh

I've made it I've made it give me a give

me a glass of Johnny Walker and a nice

long Virginia slim and I'll have a real

good night good there it is Bad Girls

Club here we come bad girls all right

what's our next question oh Hillary this

one's for you Stacy Says Hillary in the

pilot episode did you actually almost

run over Chad with the comet oh

Christ I mean did you so here's what's

up um I hadn't really driven a car since

high school because I lived in Manhattan

like why would I drive a car uh and so I

came down I don't know that my license

was even good and they give me this car

that is you know it's a vintage car

brakes aren't awesome it shifts in and

out of gear on its own and they're just

like okay honey what you need to do is

pick up a little speed and then like hit

the brakes and hit this Mark exactly

because he's just going to be standing

here and guys I couldn't even hit a mark

walking like how am I

[Laughter]

gonna Chad's quick he's limber he

survived what do you want to do

yeah um okay great so those are our

listener questions will you guys keep

please keep sending them to us you know

because it's fun to figure out what you

want to talk about we know what we want

to talk about we could just go on and on

forever can we talk about joy and her

secret Talent oh this is truly one of

the greatest things and and especially

you know a year

into not being able to not only be

together because we don't live in the

same place as all of us but no one could

be together because of this pandemic and

then it was finally safe for us to do

this and and we got to do our shoot and

I mean listen we may or may not have

taken all those bottles of Jane Walker

home from the bar with us we did spoiler

did in my in my defense I did bring them

for us I brought them as presents and

then we opened them all um we certainly

wer going to leave Joy's Ranch no who

would ever waste a great bottle of

whiskey we took them to Joy's Ranch and

we were like out with the horses and the

dogs and then we turn around and this

goddess woman with her mermaid hair is

mixing the stiffest drinks that were

just so good well the rose petals are

what got me joy goes out into her garden

and it's just like plucking rose petals

to put in drinks and like is she a fairy

what is this it was glorious yeah you

made us this like floral version of an

oldfashioned I mean it's what inspired

the cocktails that we literally made

with J Walker we got to make boxes of

them because of you it was so cool so we

got we okay I I love Mixology it's

something that I kind of started over

the pandemic and um it's to me it's kind

of like the closest I know how to get to

potion

making there's like all these pretty

bottles and you can pour stuff out and

mix things and they taste good and they

make you feel certain ways and it's very

exciting so so yeah it's been become a

bit of a hobby and uh yeah that was one

of my favorite I I really love there's a

rose syrup it's it's not a syrup it's a

Lor it's a rose laor and when you mix it

into kind of like an old-fashioned style

drink with whiskey it's particularly

particularly great so um yeah I I'll

we'll have to post that that recipe as

well as our our Smokey um LEP song

suchong Smoky syrup uh tea infused

cocktail that we got to make with Jane

Walker and it's called the iconic so

pass the word around that's the iconic

drama queen and we'll post those recipes

soon

but yeah that was fun and I'm so glad

that you girls came over because it was

really we haven't been able to really do

that just all all together no we were

supposed to come to your house just for

dinner and sop and I didn't leave till

like 1 o' in the morning was like oh I I

hope we get a car out here and we did um

but yeah it was an adventure I love it

out there just sitting out on your patio

and like seeing the horses and all the

stars and being able to catch up that's

like the first time we've gotten to hang

out in somebody's backyard since we were

in Wilmington oh my gosh that's right

it's so true yeah because so much of

what we've all been able to do you know

over the last half decade has been in

cities around the world like we'll go to

Montreal we'll go to Paris we haven't

been able to just sit at home and it

felt so

nice uh so how should we wrap up guys

should we talk about well we need to

talk about what our favorite lines of

the episode are for sure okay well I

don't think there's any I mean I I guess

well your art matters is is like that's

the one that's like the Star Line yeah

it's it's tattooed on my heart like I

not in real life guys like I don't

really have a tattooed but um it yeah I

feel like that's the heart of Payton

like that line everything comes back to

that yeah and and it's your art matters

is that iconic line but

it's it's the support line it's what got

me here like that's the whole thing of

it you did something and it made me

Brave it did matter it's after you gave

him that whole speech the whole grown-up

speech at the car and what does it

matter doesn't matter to anybody anyway

and that he took the risk to say that to

you in spite of how often you reject him

boys should always talk to us that way

yes always tell us what we want to hear

thank you very

much and I got to say the sleeper hit

for me was definitely that place knows

too much that was a punch in the gut

that's the grownup line that hits us now

as grown-ups where it's like oh no yeah

yeah yeah girls this has been so fun I

can't wait till our next one I love you

let me I'm so dirty from farming today

so I love that this is our lady break

like where we get to just like pause and

beat 17-year-old girls again and have a

good time all right guys sadly up we'll

see you next week uh as always we're

your drama queens we love you bye love

you we all about that High School drama

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School Queens forever we'll take you for

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