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What JUST happened with Apple's Lawsuit | The Truth.

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folks so we've got some bad news on uh

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apple and this has to do with a court

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case between epic games and apple let's

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go ahead and take a look at first the

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stock let's see how apple is performing

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today uh because really we we had a lot

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of pain in the markets today all indices

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read we've got apple down 3.31

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which for apple that is a very big move

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i wonder if google's following it

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because google's got a few anti-trust

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lawsuits and i wouldn't be surprised if

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you had a little bit of a shift in

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google as well google yeah look at that

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down two percent because of court

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rulings uh against apple uh carrying

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over uh to to some weight against uh

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google essentially

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so uh yeah take a peek at this i mean

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this is uh this is a sharp drop for

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apple here we've had sharp drops before

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but uh look two percent on on something

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like i'm sorry three point three percent

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for apple that's a lot so uh let's take

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a look at why and a bloomberg has a full

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story on it right here

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apple stands to lose a few billion

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dollars annually from ruling oh it's

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just a few billion dollars just a few

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let's take a look

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so what this has to do with is uh app

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store purchasing so remember that if you

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sign up for a subscription through

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an apple device

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apple gets 30 percent of that revenue

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and why does that matter well it matters

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because let's say apple uh has a netflix

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app and you sign up for netflix at

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netflix.com and you pay 9.99 on netflix

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let's call it 10

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if you sign up through apple apple would

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get 30 of that so it's kind of like

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netflix is still providing all the

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service right but just because it was

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done through the apple store netflix

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would get 30

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this new ruling would make it so

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essentially netflix could in the app say

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hey look if you sign up on our website

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you can sign up for 10 a month if you

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sign up through your iphone because it's

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convenient we're going to charge you

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approximately let's say 13 and 30 cents

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right to offset that so anyway uh let's

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take a look at the actual bloomberg

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article on this and see what some of the

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details are around this so and this

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would apply obviously to games apps

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subscriptions i mean even newspaper

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subscriptions in fact some of you wonder

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like hey how come i can't press the join

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button on youtube from my iphone or ipad

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as many of you know that for example in

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in this stream here uh because we're

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live streaming this there's a live chat

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on the side and members can chat in it

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this is a great way to minimize spam and

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uh you can only join

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uh the membership which is like 4.99 a

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month if you sign up through a desktop

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browser like you can't sign up through

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the iphone or an ipad and a lot of

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people are frustrated by that they're

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like come on youtube like let me sign up

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through

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the iphone or the ipad and google's like

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we ain't paying the 30 for apple so

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screw apple it's basically a big middle

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finger to apple from google so this has

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been something that's been an issue

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ongoing so

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apple has been ordered to make the most

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significant change to its app store

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business model since launching the

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platform in 2008 which by the way i had

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an iphone the day the app store came out

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which was the day before the iphone 2

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came out which back then was the iphone

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3g

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uh

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and uh which sounds like third

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generation but that that was the old

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sell signal 3g was cool back then okay

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3g was like oh my gosh that's fast today

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it's like

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but anyway

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and it could cost the tech giant a few

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billion dollars annually in a ruling

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friday a u.s district judge said that

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the company must allow developers to

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bypass its commission on in-app

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purchases

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that's incredible because this is a

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judge going out of the way saying hey

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you know what apple you've created a

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platform that consolidates millions of

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people into one store it's kind of like

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let's say you have the sawgrass mills

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mall in florida you bring all these

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people to yours to your mall

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and all the stores inside benefits so

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when you do a party or you do an ad

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campaign for your mall or you hire a

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musician to to perform at the mall or

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whatever everybody goes to to that mall

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and the bet the stores their benefit

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right that's that's the argument with

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apple it's apple has this collected

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captive audience of folks and so really

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a judge here has said i don't care

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if you can be in this mall and not have

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to contribute to apple even though

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they're consolidating people in in that

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space right now i i see both arguments

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here and this is touchy but this is a

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really bad ruling for app stores which

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is probably also why google is getting

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whacked is they also have the android

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app store

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uh but uh yeah i mean look apple takes

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30 commissions on on fees

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processed through the app store for for

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bringing people to the app to bring

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people to the ecosystem

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uh this ruling which it could be

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overturned right it could still be

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overturned so to be determined i would

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expect that this will get appealed we'll

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see

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this includes letting ios apps use quote

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buttons external links or other calls to

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action to direct customers to other

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purchasing methods other than apple's

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payment system i mean this is like the

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kiss of death honestly for the 30

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commission in my opinion because if i'm

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an app developer which we have an app

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right we've got the meet kevin app you

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can

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what i download to

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uh i'm going to sell a service in my

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meet kevin app let's say i don't know

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you get the stock alerts let's say it's

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100 bucks a month or something like that

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if if i had to pay apple a 30 commission

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well after this ruling rather than you

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just checking out with apple pay right

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there like bloop oh you've subscribed

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rather than that

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i could just have a little pop-up that

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goes hey click this link to sign up on

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my website and then it'll redirect you

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back to the app and it'll get unlocked

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right that's i mean of course as a

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business i would do that to cut apples

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30 out but now i'm free writing right

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i'm using apple's platform without

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really while making money without

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contributing back to the platform so i

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don't i don't know this is a pretty

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damaging ruling honestly uh i i wouldn't

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be surprised if this gets um

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this gets overturned because

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i mean i don't know i mean at what point

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does does this this marketplace that

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apple has created become kind of like a

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public domain right

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it's a blow to apple but one that's the

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world's most valuable company well yeah

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of course apple can absorb it that's

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helped investors take the decision in

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stride although the shares fell as much

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as 3.5 percent the court has affirmed

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what we've long known the apple app

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store is not in violation of apple uh of

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antitrust law

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and success is not illegal okay so apple

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did not lose here right it's just one

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part of the lawsuit really hurts apple

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uh they you know they won the ruling

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against uh epic

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but uh more importantly was what ended

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up happening to apple's app store

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potential revenue but anyway here's some

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details apple's adversary in the trial

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epic games the maker of fortnite

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contended that that the judge sided with

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apple this isn't a win for developers or

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consumers says epic apple's commissions

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from the app store generated 6.3 billion

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dollars last year with most of it coming

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from in-app purchases and subscriptions

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that 6.3 bill could literally go to zero

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uh i mean like why would a developer

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share now why would anybody be motivated

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to pay apple to 30

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apple's gonna have to figure out okay

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well how can we like what can we do to

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entice people to still buy through apple

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right uh maybe they lower their

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commissions to 10 or something like that

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to still make it easy and desirable for

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people to use it it's a it's a problem

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because once people transition away to

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their own payment systems why would they

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ever go back to even paying that 10

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percent big mess

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that money is what's at stake as games

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and other apps prepare to steer

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customers away from apple's ecosystem

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earlier apple said it would allow

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developers

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of so-called reader apps to point users

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to outside purchasing methods that

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category includes things like netflix

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spotify news and so on but the decision

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friday means the rule will have to apply

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to games and other categories basically

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everyone

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apple said it's too early to determine

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how or exactly what changes will be

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implemented gaming apps accounted for 70

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of all app store revenue and wow that's

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crazy that gaming accounts for

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70 of the rev and this is kind of like

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epic games argument like hey like if

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we're selling people

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skins in the game for ten dollars let's

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say why are you taking three dollars of

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all those skins

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you didn't uh design it you know you had

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nothing to do with selling it or

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advertising that skin other than just

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having this domain where the app is

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hosted but that's just because we're

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trying to provide a game on the iphone

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as well just like we provide the game on

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on android or pcs and it's a little bit

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of messy it's a messy one apple made

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about 3.8 billion in revenue from games

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in 2020 most of which came from in-app

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purchases

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but even if the ruling ends up costing

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apple a few bill a year that's still a

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fraction of its total revenue in 2021 a

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year the company in 2021 the company is

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estimated to bring in more than 360

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billion yeah that might be true but keep

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in mind the revenue that apple gets from

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the app store is significantly higher

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margin than the other revenue remember

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if apple sells you

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air pods for i don't know what they cost

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now 250 or whatever apple's probably

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gonna profit somewhere around fifty

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dollars like that's what they're gonna

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bring to the bottom line is fifty

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dollars on those right but if apple

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sells 250 worth of commissions on games

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on their app store i mean come on what

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is that going to cost apple that's going

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to be like a 97 profit margin right

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they're going to take like 242 dollars

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of that to the bottom line so there's a

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huge difference there uh so it's it's

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not as i mean like that 6.7 billion

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dollars or whatever could be worth as

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much as uh

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i mean i would say as much as four times

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uh in product revenue they might have to

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sell 25.6 billion dollars worth of ipads

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and iphones to make up for that loss in

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commissions that they just got burned

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out of uh so that's that's very

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important to consider uh let's see uh

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yeah that's true here's this is another

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option uh y'all right in the chat here

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it's not free writing if there's a

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developer fee that's true maybe every

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developer who wants to be part of the

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ecosystem has to pay to play now you

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know that's possible the judge did not

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rule that out hey apple could just say

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look everyone who's listed in our app

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store you have to pay x dollars per

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month and they can quickly get that

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money back

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at least some of it probably not as much

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as they used to the ruling states that

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apple must let developers communicate

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with the customer through points of

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contact this is like having a pop-up

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saying hey join our email list or go to

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our website to check out or whatever the

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ruling ultimately means epics fortnite

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will come back to the app store the game

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was originally removed last year for

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using its own payment method bypassing

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apple's fees so this is in in essence

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the the judge said like this is okay

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like this this is this lawsuit between

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epic uh epic games and apple has now

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essentially allowed this separate

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payment platform to be used everywhere

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and again

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that's very very high margin revenue

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that just went out the door big big big

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loss for apple uh it's it's like i think

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bloomberg is downplaying this i mean

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they're downplaying i wonder if apple's

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like one of this person's big holdings

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or something sorry that's jaded i should

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take my tinfoil hat off i'm sorry mark

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but seriously apple stands to lose a few

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billion dollars annually from really

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like even the title's like that's just a

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few billion dollars right i made that

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joke earlier uh or or even what they

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mentioned over here where they compare

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the six point three billion okay now

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four whatever to uh to the 360 billion

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the company's gonna bring in right

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important differences here and

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differences matter the ruling could

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ultimately yeah okay well we're going to

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come back that's fine ruling is believed

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to mean that users would be able to make

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purchases via the web rather than having

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a com

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competing oh they typoed bloomberg typo

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gotcha uh competing payment system in

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the apps themselves this means epic

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would need to build a website to let

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users make purchases and include a link

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to that website okay so that's a little

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bit less ideal right like it'd be nice

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to just in the app be able to click buy

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and then apple pay checkout but in that

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case apple gets their commish this would

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have to have a totally different link to

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where it opens up safari and then

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reopens the app but for 30

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developers will do that i mean how hard

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is it you make a single splash page

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click the link you could probably still

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buy with apple pay honestly because it's

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separate from the app store right uh and

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and and just revert right back like have

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a little a single line of code that just

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reopens the app after checkout is

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complete and then a message that pops up

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and says thanks for your purchase your

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purchase was successful your features

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are now unlocked or whatever like this

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this should be very easy to develop it

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should be no problem for developers to

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handle really doesn't apply to the

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revenue that apple previously lost uh

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the ruling uh the judge ruled that epic

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owes apple for missed fees 3.7 million

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dollars all this for 3.7 million okay

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apple has argued that it's tight control

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the app store helps protect

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consumers and prevent developers from

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swindling users interesting still

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analyzing the decision which is 180

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pages long but the headline is that

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apple's app store business model has

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been validated i mean obviously apple's

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taking the the high road to this

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approach here but yeah look this gives

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you some details on what the heck is

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happening here with uh with apple and um

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hopefully you find that i found that

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helpful if you like my kind of

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perspective on this stuff make sure to

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it gray uh all right thanks for watching

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