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>> Shut up, Evan.

>> It's interesting because it's like, you

know, thinking about this relationship

with you and Connor, he similarly is

also a filmmaker as well. And I'm

wondering if you were to sort of like

map out the next five years for

yourself. Obviously, I I imagine you're

going to continue seeking out projects

that have you on camera, but are you

also interested in continuing to develop

scripts at all, find projects to direct

as well?

>> I I think it's inevitable within the

next 5 years I have my feature debut,

um, which I probably will have wrote and

just the egoomaniac in me is going to

act in it. Um, not not because I uh it

doesn't feel like it comes from a place

of conceit at least. It feels like it

comes from a place of um I have a

specific tone I like when I write.

Selfishly, I enjoy what I write and it

feels like the only person who writes

like me is me. Whether or not it's great

or will be appreciated or anyone will

think it's good, I have no control of or

no prospects of even possibly

understanding. But I like it and so I

want to exist in the worlds I create.

>> You've spoken about some of these

directors, these great directors that

you hope to work with. I imagine it's

amazing to be meeting fellow actors, but

as a filmmaker, I I imagine it's also

particularly resonant um when those kind

of people, the kinds that have that

creative apparatus of of making work

Yeah.

>> are coming up to you wanting to meet

you. And so does that hit differently

when it's the the writers and directors

that are approaching you and seeing you.

>> As much reverence as I have for actors,

I would say it's more consistently as of

late that um I'm getting starruck by the

the filmmakers. I just met uh Trier who

just did Sentimental Value. I'm a huge

fan of Repris and A Worst Person. Um and

meeting him I I didn't really know what

to say. my only like quickly when my

quick read of of it was just like just

just pour as much love onto him and

admiration you have for him and just

like it was just word vomit of and I I

couldn't really find words to speak. Uh

even now I'm I'm like reliving it. I'm

getting nervous thinking about it. And

actors as as much as I admire them I I

feel more kinship with actors I guess.

Um whereas directors I sort of revere

more so I would say

>> on my Instagram I asked my followers if

they had any questions for you and I

attached a Google form to it thinking

like oh like maybe you know 20 40

people. 21,000

of your fans responded with questions

and I did want to bring in one cuz I

find it relevant to what you're talking

about now. This comes from Sume in

London.

>> Oh that's cool. Sume, I like that.

>> Hi, Hudson. I would like to know who you

would place in your Mount Rushmore of

film directors. Stay sexy and blessed.

>> Stay sexy and blessed.

>> Stay sexy and blessed. Now, this is

interesting because you've been asked

about directors that you want to work

with. That is separate from this. This

is just your Mount Rushmore of film

directors.

>> I'm already going to just object to

that. But I'm going to ask you to give

me a category.

>> Okay.

>> You can just just give me like uh this

type of filmmaker or

>> Okay. Okay, so my first inclination is

to go horror, but I'm going to scratch

that because I think the list seems a

little bit more obvious.

>> Let's go with directors who make

>> classics. Does that make sense when I

say that? Like I'm thinking I'm not I'm

hope I don't take it from you, but like

a Rob Reiner, like the kind of directors

that make movies with permanence.

>> Yes. Okay, forgive me. I'm going to say

someone who's just an awful person. But

Hitchcock, he's someone who,

and even by saying this, I I I concat to

the, you know, separate art from

artists. Um, but the his movies I find

truly comforting. I've loved them since

I was a child and I always revisit them.

I still see the mastery in them. And um,

my god, I'm I'm always rediscovering his

movies and I really um, love them so

much. Um, I'm going to go

um Parkchan Wuk because I think he's

making modern classics

um and ones that I just hope to stay. In

my head I'm like classics means oldtime

directors. Um, and then unfortunately in

the past it's just been that like women

haven't really just been afforded the

luxury and they've been discriminated

against. So, we only recently are

getting the Lin Ramseies, the Cop, the

Sophia Copalas, but I guess I could say

modern class. Oh my god, this is tricky.

Okay. Um,

>> I'm going to exclude Park Chen Wuk and

I'm going to retract him and I'm going

to say older people. So, I'm going to

say Hitchcock, Billy Wilder. Um, I'm

going to do Bergman and then um I'm

gonna do

Oh my god, this is really good. Let me

let me just um Did I say Billy Wilder?

>> Yeah,

>> I'll say Kubric.

>> Kubri.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. I I didn't want to say him because

he was my first choice. I don't know why

I didn't say him.

>> I was curious if you were going to go

Caveettes.

>> I like CVetti's style approach more than

I've loved his movies.

>> I like A Woman Under the Influence. It's

one of the best. But um a lot of his

movies I appreciate them more than I

actually enjoy watching them. Even

though I do enjoy watching them, they

just Kubric none of his movies haven't

just hit me like a truck of of you know

I'm a contrarian. A lot of times I want

to go I don't want to go against the

grain, but I just happen to find myself

going this guy you got you guys you guys

like this guy. But Kubri is just that

good at what he does.

>> And it's

scary how [ __ ] amazing he was at what

he did.

>> Yeah.

>> I sent you a text a few weeks ago in the

leadup to this interview cuz I wanted to

surprise you with someone that you're a

big fan of and I asked you for a list of

your favorite actors. I asked you for I

think

>> six.

>> Yeah. And you gave me like 12.

>> It was an expansive list. And so I

wanted to bring one of these 12 actors

that you named as one of your all-time

favorites into the conversation.

>> I'm gonna like pee or something. I'm

going to poop.

>> Hi Hudson. This is Michelle Williams and

Bizzy Phillips and we're here to say

congratulations.

We're so excited for you and we love

watching you. And we were wondering who

inspired you when you were young and

growing up. like what performances or

what artists who do you like carry along

with you on this journey that you feel

like has sort of been by your side

invisibly and um you still feel

connected to now. Okay.

>> I'm going to be honest. I just missed

the second half cuz I couldn't just

believe what was happening. What was the

last part? Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] Holy [ __ ]

Holy [ __ ] She is huge. She is one of my

Wow. What did she say in the end?

Someone I carried with me. An actor I

carried.

>> I think so. I blacked out because I was

watching you reacting to it. So, I

react.

>> Oh my god. My I'm sweating like my

heart. Oh my god. Manchester by the Sea,

Blue Valentine. I want to Brokeback

Mountain, which she is so [ __ ] good.

What she does in Blue Valentine is

something

if I could do something like that and

make it as good. her her scene with

Casey Affleck in Manchester. Um she's

played Marilyn. Um and she kills it. She

is

um The Fableman's a recent memory. Oh my

god. She can do anything. And she is

such a stunning actor. Um, and she can

be I I use this word and I I don't want

people to like lose their minds, but

like I really like people who can get

ugly like

devoid of

um they're not trying to carry

themselves there. There's no air of

celebrity in their performance or the

other [ __ ] that doesn't matter. Um,

and she does that better than than

everyone. She's so [ __ ] good. Uh,

anyway, so her carry her with me. Um,

and then

other people

>> I think it's worth like, you know,

taking a moment to say how incredible

that you put out something in the world

that those who have inspired you have

been inspired by. And that's just so

remarkable. It's like someone like

Michelle Williams is calling in to ask

you a question because she saw your work

and was moved by it. So everything you

just said, you gave her that similar

feeling in watching you do your thing.

>> Yeah. No, I can't quite believe that. Um

I still can't even process that that is

something that exists. Um it means a

lot. I I yeah, I truly cannot like

comprehend the idea that this show. Um,

as brilliant as I think like Connor and

Jacob are, it's it's hard to believe

people watch this and are um

inspired or even refreshed or find it

remotely interesting what I do, but it

it's very kind and sweet.

>> Do you believe the sentiment that's

going around? and I'll have you answer

her question in a second, but like I I

think something tectonically has shifted

in the world as a result of this show.

And I mean that with some level of

hyperbole, sure,

>> but I also feel like since this show

came out, came out in the States here

the day after Thanksgiving, things

haven't been the same. I don't I I don't

know how to explain it in any other way

but to say it just feels like something

changed. something got lifted off this

compounding weight. All of the world's

problems have not been solved. Don't get

me wrong here. World hunger's over.

>> Yes. Thank you, Jacob Tyranny. [ __ ]

cottage. Um, I wrote about heated

rivalry for my newsletter and I said

that I am so accustomed to just

collectively going online with my hater

brain and sort of that's just how I

understand things to be. I thought all

we did was go online and hate on things.

I thought that was the collective

experience of what it meant to be an

online human being these days. And yet

with Heated Rivalry and this remarkable

fandom, I don't know. Do you feel that

like I'm not talking about the work, I'm

talking about the the effects of the

work in terms of like is it farfetched

to say like making the world a better

place?

>> No, that's not for me. I can't comment

because I'm I'm

the most biased and way too inside the

the wind tunnel

>> um to possibly know how how it's

affecting other other people. Um but if

any of what you said is like remotely

true to at least three people, then

that's [ __ ] amazing. And I think then

it's all worth it. If truly like three

people, it made their life a little

better. Um I think it's it's worthwhile.

Um, but no, I I really don't know what

it's I have no objective opinion.

>> Fair enough.

>> But people to answer Michelle's

question, I almost started balling. That

was crazy. Um, I would say

Mark Ryland has always been someone who

I really appreciated. Um I remember

Pacino saying I really hope it was Mark

Ryland now that I say this and I I think

it was but he said people say oh you're

one of the best actors of all time to

Pacino and he goes oh then you haven't

seen Mark Ryland um and once I heard

that I watched a lot of Mark Ryland and

is he he is great he interesting

characters

he always makes you lean in Um, this

might be my longest answer cuz there are

so many. Um,

Parker Posey as of recent just because

of her. She's an indie darling. Um, she

was that indie [ __ ] like badass. Uh,

that was fun,

believable, odd. Um her uh Michael

Stoolbar is really great. Um but that

was more informing I think my modern

self when I was young. Um Heath Oh,

Heath Ledger is my all-time favorite

actor. Um I like character actors. Um I

like how he's aesthetically very [ __ ]

beautiful to look at. Um, but he can he

he can just completely betray that and

and

comp it's never distracting and he can

be he can be ugly, he can be this, he

can be deranged. Um, Brando, I know

everyone cites him, but he truly is

besides maybe James Dean Montgomery,

Monty Cliff, those guys are that

generation. Um,

there was a revolution in how they used

their eyes and how much soul just just

pushed through. Also, I think they could

lean on the writing back then of it was

a little bit more wonderful um in like a

wondrous sense back then that I think uh

allowed us to kind of like gaze into

their their eyes and just see the stars

a little bit. Um, I would also say um

Oh, [ __ ] Why does his name just escape

me? Doctor Strange Love. Um, Peter Sers

is really great. Um, Jim Carrey for how

like wild he can be. Um, Ryan Gosling

for I just like how still he can be.

>> You're such a cophile.

>> Yeah, I I love movies. Yeah.

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>> From movies to music, I wanted to bring

a pop star into the conversation

because, you know, why not be more

expansive?

>> Hi,

I'm so starruck through the phone.

Hudson, nice to meet you. I'm Gracie

Evan

icon. My question is, what is your

anagram number? I really, really, really

want to know. And if you don't know it,

I kind of feel like you should do it

live on air together. That's just a

suggestion. And I would also love to

know your sign, your sun, moon, and

rising. And um if you are having a good

day and maybe also what you had for

breakfast. I love you guys.

>> Whoa. Okay, let's work backwards. Would

you have a breakfast?

>> Okay. Um, I didn't eat breakfast and my

hands were shaking at this brunch

because I had eaten anything and I was

out dressing and I I was just pounding

sliders in Marissa Toé's face. Um,

namerop, sorry. Um, and I Anyway, so I

had two sliders. I had some fish. Um, I

had some steak skewers. Um, that's all I

remember. A salad. Um, it was great. Um,

and then what was the other one? Sign

Aquarius.

>> How was your day?

>> Great. I'm wellfed now. I'm emotional.

Um,

kind of blown away now. Like I'm kind

like in the stars now.

>> Uh, yeah. Your astrology stuff that's

out of my program.

>> I'm an Aquarius. February 13th, 2001.

Born at like 1 p.m., I think. Yeah. No.

11 a.m.

>> And then like, isn't there a a rising

and

>> I don't know that stuff.

>> Me neither. Yeah.

>> Are you an astrology person?

>> No. But I appreciate when people tell me

about my stuff. I just This was like me

fighting ADHD for a long time. I didn't

want to be diagnosed because then it was

like it felt like I would have

a lack of,

you know, my control over my life felt

like it was more up to something uh

rather than it's it's in my hands. Um so

any anything like that just kind of

makes me go [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] that.

>> And then do you know about anagrams?

>> No.

>> I feel like it would be too complicated

for us to get into right now. Um, but I

would let's circle back to this at some

point, but basically my understanding of

enagrams I'm not even I not even well

versed enough on it to really explain

it. Um, I just know that I am the

enthusiast.

>> Yeah, Gracie was so Oh my god, that's

sorry that I'm still that was crazy.

Okay, sorry.

>> The best. So, but let's we'll learn

about it off mic and then maybe you'll

come back and and report back and we'll

figure out what your enog is. Um, I want

to bring one other person to the

conversation. I don't know if you'll

know who this is. Are you a reality

television person?

>> I won't know this person.

>> Okay. I want to bring them in because

they are a huge fan of yours. Okay.

>> They have been potting about you and

heated rivalry very religiously and

anytime that they talk about the show,

it goes mega viral. Um her big quote

about the show when asked about heated

rivalry is she described it as gay.

>> It it is gay.

>> It is gay. So I want to bring in Gabby

Wendy um of the Bachelor.

>> I know the name. That's rare. That's

good. I real truly like I don't know

anything.

>> Canadian traitors like

>> no. Jacob produces that and I still

haven't seen it. I think I've seen like

one season of either the Bachelor The

Bachelorette. I'll say all this Rally TV

I've seen. I've seen two episodes of

Survivor.

>> Which two?

>> There was a guy hanging and he was

trying to hang for a long time. That's

all I remember. And I've seen two

seasons of Alone.

We're done. That's it. No housewives.

>> People around me watch like Too Hot to

Handle. I think uh Van

Vander Pump Rules.

>> That is a show.

>> That's a show.

>> Yeah.

>> People My friends watch that.

>> Okay. Well, Gabby uh was on the third

season of the American Traders and one.

>> Oh, so she can she's a social little

>> She's

>> She's a fox.

>> Hi, Hudson. I'm Gabby and first I wanted

to congratulate you on all your success.

Obviously it's so refreshing to see such

talented unknown actors on a big TV

show. Um but you know, have you ever

heard of a Mkin? A mkin is a [ __ ]

toupe. Men normally wear them on their

head, but in filming in a nude scene,

women wear them around their [ __ ] and

you get to pick whether it has hair or

not. So, I was wondering, you know,

what's your process in in these nude

scenes of uh taping it back of uh

securing your ding lang? Do you get a

merkant? Do you get to choose what kind

of a hair it has? Um I think we're all

just dying to know the process. So,

please go into much as much detail as

you can. It's really insightful

information.

>> I got you, Wendy. I I do the whole show

in a [ __ ] tupe. Um they're always like,

"Why are you changing colors? Why does

it have a weave?" You know, I'm going

bold down there and people don't see it,

but like I'm like representing different

cultures. It's kind of insensitive. It's

kind of like racy. We're on the line,

you know, but it's just informs my

character. No, all I have is a [ __ ]

sock. It's like it's like a ballet

slipper meets a crown royal bag and you

kind of just like Yeah. You kind of go

balls in first. I remember Connor and I

broke the ice by trying this on in front

of each other with Jacob and Shayla and

they're like, "You don't have to show

us. You just can try it on for

yourselves." But Connor came out first

cuz I was like I I went in and was like,

"This thing won't work. This is broken.

No way." And then he came out and was

like, "It works." And we just going

around showing us the whole thing. And I

was like, "What? How did you?" And then

he was like, "No, you have to squat."

He's like, "The whole thing, you can

stand and try for as long as you want.

You won't get it. You have to like,

you're like this in the goddamn wherever

you are." Um, and then you have to dip

in, get the balls first. If you ever

need to try one on, get the balls really

pulled in there, and then shove uh down

into

>> da um ja ya. No, Germans is ya ya ya.

Um, cinch, tie, and then tuck in. And

don't try and pull it off cuz god, your

stomach will hurt. If you have male

genitalia and you try to pull that thing

off, [ __ ] hell.

Oh my god. Um, I did that. I was like,

get this thing. And I I was just in a

bathroom. It wasn't even a bathroom.

It's like your like little tent um like

changing stalls on set. And I was like

just rolling. I was like, "Oh my god."

Anyway, so I have that and then just a

little little shave for down there cuz

their pubes were out. I think I saw

pubes in a couple shots.

>> I saw pubes.

>> Yeah, pubes are there.

>> Yeah.

>> Keep them well kept. I don't like anyone

going hairless. I like something that

doesn't look prepubescent. Um or like on

a penis, it can look like a naked mole

rat pretty quick. Um, so just just keep

it going down from your legs cuz if you

wear like a speedo, you shouldn't be

able to see it everywhere else. In my

opinion, and this is just my opinion, I

don't like treasure trails unless it's

really like low or you just have hair

everywhere and then it's fine. Um, this

is just on me, so like caveat. Um, and

then I I like to not the legs, you know,

get up in the in your taint. Bend down,

look back. Um, trim trim your your butt.

Um, cuz even, you know, even if you're

not participating in anal sex, it's just

like you don't want a [ __ ] trap for

your [ __ ] you know? You just want to

clean

>> Oh, your literal [ __ ]

>> Your literal [ __ ] You just want to

clean that shoot. Um,

>> clean that shoot. And

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Do you know why I know you're a good

actor?

>> Okay.

>> 10 or 15 minutes ago, you were near

tears taking in Michelle Williams

feedback about, you know, the greatness

of your performance and then you've

switched into this so effortlessly.

>> Both mean as much to me.

>> I get it. Yeah.

>> No, that's that's Yeah, I get it. On the

heated rivalry front with just a few

more minutes left. Oh,

>> what?

>> I know.

>> Oh my god. You're being torn from me.

>> This feels like it was 5 minutes.

>> I know.

>> Okay. Wow.

>> Do you have an earworm of a Shane quote

that has really stuck with you? I have a

few, but I'm I'm more curious about

yours.

>> Well, I love your line delivery in the

hospital room.

>> That whole Do you call it a monologue?

The mini monologue. Um, I think it's a

combination of that

>> there is a

>> the expression on your face. I mean,

>> I like that one.

>> It's It's um It's joy.

>> Um but so I think that obviously the

that whole moment there is is a big one

for me. I also have like they're not

earworms, I guess, but I have like

visual cues. Obviously, you walking in

to your hotel room in episode 4, right

before you go to Ilia's and you stand

there. Do you know the meme?

>> Oh, when my little foot's turned in.

Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I love that

>> so much. Um, obviously now I'm going

into visuals. Like there's like the butt

arch um from episode two

>> that people really love. Do you know

that I did a burned in the brain image

list um of my 25 burned in the brain

images of the show?

>> I just want to share with you right now

and see if anything stands out to you.

I'm not trying to be indulgent. For me,

this was what stuck out and I'm curious.

Do any of those stand out as like big

moments for you? the one where Ilia

walks up to me in the thing and he goes,

"What what room are you in?" Uh, he just

is so massive. He's so aesthetically

pleasing. Um, he looks I think Seth

Rogan talked about Zack Efron in this

way, but he looks like a giant arrow

pointing towards towards his dick. Um,

and it's it's fabulous. Like my eyes are

just That's what I was looking for. Oh,

yeah. Me me in the little suit staring

in the mirror is so

>> that moment doesn't get spoken of

enough. Do you think he's preparing to

get railed in that moment or the

expectation is sort of like maybe we'll

make out? Like what do you think he

suspects that first encounter will be?

>> Jacob and I talked about this even

before we did it. a part of him wants

even more than what happened. But I

think

the pragmatist and Shane thinks that

there needs to be a deliberation which

they just part ways and decide never to

do this again. Got it.

>> Um and the suit is like yes I I want to

look handsome and presentable but I want

to look serious and I want to have this

serious conversation um where I go we

can't do this anymore. Um, and then he

just looks at himself and it's

it takes him a little second, but it's

it's a pathetic. It's it's sad. It's

very cute.

>> Do you think Shane had ever been with

anyone prior to that encounter?

>> No, he's never been with a man before

that.

>> But no, but with anyone. Like, do you

think that was his first sexual

encounter? That's what I was wondering

when I rewatched it. um in the books

he's like um

kind of had sex before. Um but I think

it's mainly just like fellatio he's um

engaged in. And in the books Rachel

talks about about it a little bit more

that he's he's kind of went somewhere in

his head where he can kind of enjoy the

sensation. Um and that's about it. Um,

so I think maybe that's is so in in my

head I was like, well, we don't discuss

it in the script, so that's just what I

imagined he's done. Um, but the thing is

that still makes it special that doesn't

take away from their newness of it is

he's never had a sexual experience where

he wanted to be there.

>> Um, or there was even a flint of desire

>> until he saw that arrow.

>> Yeah. Until he saw that arrow. Yeah.

Yeah.

>> Okay. Uh, last question before I let you

go. So, it's our understanding obviously

season 2 is coming. We know this much.

But then we saw these headlines being

like season 3.

>> Rachel Reed announced that she is going

to be writing a new book in the Heated

Rivalry series. My, uh, Sherlock

Holmesing brain sort of says, "Okay, so

uh, season two of Heated Rivalry, The

Long Game, season 3 of Heated Rivalry,

perhaps this new book that's coming."

>> Yeah.

>> Have you given this any thought? Am I

Sherlock Holmesing alone?

>> You're Sherlock Holmesing with me cuz I

also don't know. And I don't think Jacob

knows. He has inklings. I I assume. Um

uh The Long Game is definitely season

two, but season 1 is also two books.

>> This is true.

>> This is like this is not off the record,

but how do I caveat? This is this is me

Sherlock Holmesing without insider

knowledge because I'm right there with

you and they tell me nothing. Um, so my

ini opinion is not more informed. I

think there's a possibility if we get a

little bit more money or budget, which I

also don't know, um, that maybe we could

do more episodes, so maybe we could do

more than two books. Um, but that also

might be too much and too many subplots.

So maybe it's

>> two. And the long game is similar size

to Heated Rivalry, so I feel like we'd

at least do two. um season 3 if I don't

know how long Jacob wants to do this

whole show, but there's six books total,

right? And then now seventh being

written. Um it's kind of it sounds cool

that we could do like two and then if we

did three next season that would be five

and then we could get last two in season

three. But then if we did two, four,

six,

you see what I I think there needs to be

a threeseason thing in one of them just

to get through all of them.

>> You mean three books in one season

>> there? I think there needs to be that

somewhere. Whether that's season 3,

>> we can table this. We'll give it some

more thought. This was amazing. Thank

you so much.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Will you come back for a part two?

>> Please, please, please, please.

>> Okay. Yeah,

>> that was so fun. Oh my god, that was

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>> It did go by so fast. Michelle [ __ ]

Williams.

>> I I had to like hold it down. I was

about to like I was like Get the tears

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