i was wrong
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I was wrong in this video I'm going to
explain what I think is really happening
in the economy and what I got wrong
we'll start with some of the things that
went right but most importantly I think
the lesson for all of us is what went
wrong
so let's get started hey everyone meet
Kevin here
what happened is I believe neither what
I expected nor what most of us expected
and I don't know if this analysis is 100
correct but
I think it is
in January of 2022 I warned of an
impending recession and an elongated
fight between the FED to fight inflation
after all we were just walking into some
of the highest inflation that we had
seen in 40 years in every single company
in every single earnings call was
screaming at us the leading indicator
that we are raising prices and we're
raising prices for the rest of the year
if you were unconvinced that inflation
was going to happen all you had to do
was read any earnings call any single
earnings calling you would have known as
a result I encourage investing in cash
and hedging and I met with JPM Bankers
JPMorgan and Chase Bankers who used to
work for the fed and I'm like what do
you manually have a 15 chance of a
recession it's gonna be way higher than
that they thought I was out of my mind
so I encourage investing in cash I sold
my rental properties I invested in cash
I sold my stocks I sold my crypto I sold
everything
people thought I was insane for
recommending cash why would you want
cash after all we were about to go into
inflation and inflation is going to make
your cash worth less right well not
really see inflation makes your cash
worth less if you're buying things that
go up in value like for example if
you're buying a lot of coffee see here's
a rust mug with coffee let's say this
coffee is worth three dollars and it
goes to five dollars well then the cash
I had buys me less coffee but if I had a
thousand dollars of cash and I was going
to buy Amazon at 200 let's say I'd get
five shares of Amazon but if Amazon goes
down to a hundred dollars then I get 10
shares of Amazon right so I win
depending on what you're doing with the
cash so my thesis was that poor
individuals people buying things like
food and coffee and groceries uh and
lower income individuals we're really
going to get crushed by this recession
because that inflation was going to
affect them the most whereas people with
excess cash usually your middle to
higher income tiers they would have had
excess cash to buy assets that had gone
down in value
that was the thesis
but some mistakes were made along the
way we're gonna talk about that because
the thesis also ended up being wrong
I realized this a couple days ago as I
was leaving teeterboro on Route over to
Chicago I just interviewed Kevin O'Leary
in New York City and I was on my way to
Chicago I had a message from my mom that
here's this amazing meal she was having
in Cabo San Lucas and I'm like how does
my mom afford Cabo San Lucas when I know
with certainty she generally Works
paycheck to paycheck and she does her
job well but she likes to spend her
money when she has extra money she
doesn't care about investing she doesn't
want to own rental property she doesn't
want to own stock she wants to live
and I thought to myself well when I was
a child I remember we had no money I
remember losing my childhood home to
near foreclosure my friends in school
were all torn away from me and I
remember this ever optimism of my mom
even after my parents divorce in that
nah that's okay as long as we're still
alive uh we'll make it work and and
we'll get some money together and so on
one hand you know my father who's
running a business and and trying to do
things you know in the way of running
the business and building the business
and owning real estate you know we're
out of twenty dollar bills to buy a
Bionicle because there's no money left
to pay the bills and we have serious
problems my mom who never wanted to
invest a dime in real estate or stocks
or otherwise like ah I'll save a little
extra from from working you know minimum
wage or whatever and we'll get that
Bionicle we'll make it happen you know
maybe not today but in a couple days
we'll we'll scrape it together it's just
like that it was a weird like ever
optimism despite poverty
and it made me think wow you know as
long as you're not homeless or disabled
or Afflicted with substances Americans
my mom being sort of transplant from
Germany still mostly German but also now
mostly in American
usually maybe just people in general
have a way to manage and they enjoy the
experiences and value experiences of
being able to either buy their children
something or go on a vacation even if
you're living paycheck to paycheck uh
even if that meant you had to go on a
shoestring budget you were going to save
up to have money for that flight money
for the state and you were going to go
be there and have a good time even if it
meant you were taking the city bus to
get around you were going to have a good
time it was gonna be like a high-end
ritzy vacation but you were going to
survive and you were gonna live and you
didn't die
and that really made me think wow
how does that compare to our consumption
in the economy today and how does any of
this compare to the whole concept of
being wrong well it actually does
substantially consider this
70 of Americans live paycheck to
paycheck
and consumption makes up about 72
percent of our GDP which is really
interesting because if you multiply
those two together it means that
slightly more than half of the economy
is driven by these spending habits of
people who are living paycheck to
paycheck
that was mind-blowing to me because I'm
thinking of myself like whoa wait a
minute if you're paycheck to paycheck
that means you have no money to spend
anything wrong it just means the money
you do have you are spending that's all
it means
so
that kind of blew my mind when I made
this connection to my childhood and put
myself in those shoes because I realized
wait a second
my thesis that this would be a poor
person's recession was wrong and and
sorry to be insensitive for the word
poor but let's just keep it since simple
here okay we'll get into semantics here
I've been poor and it's okay to say that
but the idea was that if your energy
costs are going up your food costs are
going up your rent is going up poor
people are screwed because they won't be
able to invest
people with white collar jobs Pilots
CPAs real estate agents lenders they'd
survive because they'd be able to make
more money
Not only would they survive but they'd
be able to continue to buy luxury goods
like solar panels for their homes for
Teslas or computers or business
equipment
because they'd have more money to invest
in those things
well what ended up happening
well stocks plummeted in 2022. and wages
skyrocketed specifically for the lower
income individuals in 2022. so what did
that end up doing to wealthier people
and businesses which most businesses
over 70 percent of businesses small
businesses are owned by people over 35.
so what happened with the older folks
people over 35 well people over 35
they're small businesses and the Boomer
Generations what do they do they ended
up spending less money they felt crushed
whether it was their Investments that
lost value they felt less Rich they
ended up spending less money for one
reason or another because of stocks or
tumult in real estate you know real
estate has come back somewhat okay we
could talk about that separately and we
probably will towards the end of the
video but
think about this the older folks are the
ones that took
this why do we know this well we know
that 80 percent of stocks are owned
by people who are not Millennials or gen
Z in other words the older Generations
eighty percent are owned by people older
and so guess what according to American
Express it's those people who actually
have negative year-over-year real
spending
it's the Gen Z's and the millennials
who own barely any of the stocks who
maybe had some stocks or crypto lost
some money and they're like whatever who
are now actually
making more money potentially a lot more
money who are spending more money
they don't give a sh9t about stocks or
real estate in large part now all of a
sudden you're making 18 bucks an hour
instead of 12 bucks an hour you're
getting paid 50 more so you're getting
paid 50 more and you don't give a flying
Hoot about real estate or stocks
not being perfectly precise here but the
implication is what matters
higher wages for the paycheck to
paycheck cohort means higher spending on
travel entertainment restaurants
Chipotle Ulta
normal people stuff
McDonald's Costco whatever
I'm not at all trying to Discount that
inflation is hurting this cohort
yes food costs have gone up but guess
what we're still buying and yes we have
to survive I get that
but people are also making more money so
yes the costs are up but we're also
making more money especially at the
lower income tiers whereas potentially
the higher income tiers those
white-collar jobs they're not actually
making more money real estate agents are
selling less homes lenders are doing
less deals investment bankers are doing
less uh mergers and Acquisitions
companies are buying less computers uh a
corporate spend is is you know American
Express Corporate spend for larger
businesses is up but for smaller
businesses it's way down uh in real
terms year over year and so yeah the
larger businesses maybe have some extra
money but that's probably because
they're laying off people and they're
able to spend more money on stuff to
make investments on more server
equipment or whatever right but that's
what you're supposed to do you're
supposed to trim during a recession and
spend more money so that not is not
necessarily relevant to our human
equation the human equation says that
people with higher wages
are actually feeling this recession more
whereas potentially lower income
individuals are not and again I'm not
trying to be insensitive to inflation I
get it coffee is more expensive food is
more expensive I go to Cheesecake
Factory I'm like what the hell you know
I go to Chipotle I'm dude 17 bucks for a
burrito with guacamole this is insane
but what do we still do we still do it
especially paycheck to paycheck because
making more money
so people want to live and that goes
back to my childhood story right you
want to live so even though you're
living paycheck and yes you have higher
expenses you're able to spend more money
so you're able to pay that higher
pricing at Chipotle at the hotels on
your vacations for your airfare and so
people aren't cutting back on that
especially the ones who haven't been
reamed in the stock market or in real
estate and real estate again not so much
yes okay real estate has started
recovering in q1 Florida is doing just
fine California is not doing as well uh
and and none of that really matters I
didn't want to sell my real estate to
perfectly try to time the market I think
I sold at a fantastic time my reason for
personally getting out of real estate
because I really think most people
should never sell real estate just
Diamond hand through my reason for
selling my real estate is unique to me
because I'm throwing my money into a
real estate startup uh and I don't want
people who are investing in my startup
to think that I'm competing with them
for rental properties so that's more of
just a personal commitment to my startup
uh I think the timing of what I'm sold
was good
but I'm not trying to re-time the buy
and I you know handle the tax
implications to where I'm not like the
tax implications have no effect again
I'm in a unique situation because of
that so let me carve that out and just
say that's a unique situation but let's
understand what this means for an
individual because you might be thinking
to yourself but Kevin like poor people
have to pay higher interest now well
let's actually analyze that for a moment
consider this if you have a thousand
dollars outstanding on a credit card
and your interest rate was 20 before
rates went up you're paying 200 bucks a
year in interest
that's not that much money you're making
way more than 200 a year anyway
like marginally more because if you're
making 50 more maybe instead of making
15 grand a year you're making 25 Grand a
year
that's a really good change right who
cares about your credit card interest
rate at 200 bucks a year or whatever but
wait a minute what if the interest rate
now goes up five percent
okay so you're you know 20 interest goes
to 25 that sounds like a lot but for
credit card debt per thousand bucks
that's an extra 50 bucks
per 10 grand a credit card debt that's
an extra 500 bucks it's not going to
kill you especially when you're making
50 more money who cares so it's one less
meal out or a few less meals out on a
yearly basis right but your wages are up
50 so maybe you're actually up meals and
travel rather than down
go to the business owner now instead and
compare somebody who gets a 50 million
dollar line of credit for working
capital like a trucking business or a
distributor
and they pay you know two percent on
their 50 million dollar line of credit
and all of a sudden now they're paying
seven percent because rates are up five
percent well that means they're having
to pay 2.5 million dollars more per year
for that line of credit that's 200 000
more per month who really gets screwed
now the worker making 50 more money
paying five percent more on their credit
card no
or the business owner paying an extra
salary per month for that line of credit
obviously the small business owner small
business owner gets screwed the big
businesses the massive corporations they
have a low-cost Capital Apple can borrow
for basically rates near treasuries
not that big of a deal and they have a
ton of cash and I mean you have to
borrow that much
so you know what really sucks is when
you look at the last GDP report
you know what's happening inventories
are compressing at businesses why did
what did end face say in their earnings
call inventory sell through is slow
end phase is the manufacturer
wholesalers sell and face products well
if wholesalers say hey I got enough
batteries in solar panel or solar
inverters this quarter I don't need to
order from unfaz and face suffers
so if the working costs of capital go up
for that business they order less
inventory
the same is true for many small
businesses throughout America and really
the globe the reality is that most of
the businesses installing solar
relatively smaller businesses so if
smaller businesses are feeling the crimp
and face feels the crimp
interesting
now what else did GDP say oh services
and consumption up well maybe that's not
stagflation right because what what
anchored GDP down
was inventories that came in way below
expectations but services and
consumption came in above expectations
so maybe this is not a stagflationary
economy maybe we just got the whole
picture wrong so the whole argument here
is wait a minute
maybe this is not a recession of poor
individuals this is actually a recession
of small businesses
White Collar professionals middle and
upper income individuals they are the
ones getting burned because of the stock
market
and business revenue is falling again
I'm not saying poor individuals aren't
selling but this is not the poor
person's recession that I thought it
would be this is actually the middle and
upper class recession
and that's really fascinating because
that means I basically positioned wrong
because my thinking was if this was
going to be a poor person's recession
that you would want to get away from
basically ultimately things that
everybody is buying like Staples are
going to see a lot of a downtrend but
Staples have been some of the best
performing stocks over the last year now
part of that could be because everybody
rushes into those thinking if we're
going to a recession where Staples do
best but those are the best performing
stocks right now
and there's this thesis that oh the
Federal Reserve is going to be able to
raise rates and crimp spending of
everyone but the reality is like the
credit card example I gave that's not
true the FED could raise rates
but it doesn't even affect poor
individuals because they're making more
money
they don't care who cares the business
owner the middle to Upper income
individuals those are the people who
care about higher interest rates for
individuals who are living paycheck to
paycheck it's like pushing out a string
when you raise rates who cares
which means potentially we could have a
higher for longer scenario where you
have to buckle up and you have to deal
with the FED being higher for longer so
again it's not a poor person's recession
it's a middle and upper class recession
so what does that mean well again it
means stocks like Tesla and end phase
are under stress longer potentially a
lot longer whereas stocks like
McDonald's Walmart Chipotle Ulta they're
doing just fine and they might do fine
for a wee bit longer now does that mean
it's time to flip-flop
well my opinion the answer to that is no
like
how do you go bearish right now
on stocks that have already gotten
hammered as much as some of these higher
income stocks like you've already gotten
whacked on some of these
but to go from those bearish positions
over to Staples now in my opinion would
be moving from underpriced stocks
to overpriced stocks that are doing well
in the short term
so I think that would be a big mistake I
think repositioning now to the expensive
stuff would be like a sheep following
the herd of all right we're going to
reposition well that did well the last
year let's double down on that
I think that's a mistake
so the bottom line out of all of this is
if you're invested in growth you
probably have to buckle up for some more
pain for longer because the fed's
interest rate increases aren't really
affecting that Services segment where
people are spending their money which
they have more of on the paycheck to
paycheck side and in some cases we're
still trying to get back to trend
and it all makes sense comparing back to
my childhood
all makes sense
you're gonna you're gonna make more and
you're gonna spend more
but in the meantime the people who have
invested in stocks did hurt but now I
think the biggest danger would be moving
from stocks that have gotten hammered
to stocks that have performed well now
would I short the stocks that I've
performed well no because we don't know
how much longer this is going to go
is it time to go all in on margin on on
the growth stocks no of course not I
still believe we are going to be in a
volatile Nike Swoosh recovery now we
know we have you know the Federal
Reserve and oh but what are they gonna
do and are they what are they gonna
pause and all this kind of nonsense look
the Nike Swoosh takes time I really
believe that if we look out on the week
chart for uh what's been going on with
the NASDAQ we'll go to uh I haven't
turned on night mode on this computer
but we'll go to this um
we'll go to this input right here uh
there we go so
here's the NASDAQ here's your down
that's the tip of your Nike Swoosh this
is the volatile
upswing now we've had quite a few red
days in a row here which you'll actually
only see if you go to the data ah here's
your red red red red uh and then we're
seeing some green over here I guess
we're somewhat flat uh these are the
average candlesticks so if I go to the
normal candlesticks yeah all right so
we'll see we'll see where we are
nasdaq's doing pretty decently but
anyway you go back to these average
candlesticks over here
and you go out to the weak chart look at
what you have you still have the Nike
Swoosh this is the beginning of it
this is the elongated recovery part of
it I really believe this this phase from
here to here will come in a very Lumpy
multi-year period multi-year period
so
that's my thought uh I do think the
positioning was wrong uh initially but I
do not think that at this point it makes
sense to repair that positioning
but I think it's very useful to
acknowledge that mistake and learn from
it and recognize where we are now and
recognize why we have this continued
inflation uh and this is why the Federal
Reserve says until we have more job loss
we might not see control of that service
as inflation I hope that's not the case
because that means we're gonna have to
keep hiking higher for longer or at
least stay higher for longer
so we'll see anyway thanks for watching
good luck out there we'll see in the
next one
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