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I was wrong in this video I'm going to

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explain what I think is really happening

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in the economy and what I got wrong

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we'll start with some of the things that

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went right but most importantly I think

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the lesson for all of us is what went

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wrong

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so let's get started hey everyone meet

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Kevin here

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what happened is I believe neither what

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I expected nor what most of us expected

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and I don't know if this analysis is 100

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correct but

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I think it is

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in January of 2022 I warned of an

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impending recession and an elongated

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fight between the FED to fight inflation

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after all we were just walking into some

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of the highest inflation that we had

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seen in 40 years in every single company

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in every single earnings call was

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screaming at us the leading indicator

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that we are raising prices and we're

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raising prices for the rest of the year

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if you were unconvinced that inflation

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was going to happen all you had to do

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was read any earnings call any single

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earnings calling you would have known as

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a result I encourage investing in cash

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and hedging and I met with JPM Bankers

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JPMorgan and Chase Bankers who used to

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work for the fed and I'm like what do

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you manually have a 15 chance of a

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recession it's gonna be way higher than

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that they thought I was out of my mind

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so I encourage investing in cash I sold

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my rental properties I invested in cash

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I sold my stocks I sold my crypto I sold

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everything

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people thought I was insane for

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recommending cash why would you want

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cash after all we were about to go into

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inflation and inflation is going to make

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your cash worth less right well not

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really see inflation makes your cash

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worth less if you're buying things that

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go up in value like for example if

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you're buying a lot of coffee see here's

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a rust mug with coffee let's say this

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coffee is worth three dollars and it

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goes to five dollars well then the cash

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I had buys me less coffee but if I had a

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thousand dollars of cash and I was going

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to buy Amazon at 200 let's say I'd get

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five shares of Amazon but if Amazon goes

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down to a hundred dollars then I get 10

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shares of Amazon right so I win

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depending on what you're doing with the

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cash so my thesis was that poor

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individuals people buying things like

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food and coffee and groceries uh and

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lower income individuals we're really

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going to get crushed by this recession

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because that inflation was going to

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affect them the most whereas people with

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excess cash usually your middle to

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higher income tiers they would have had

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excess cash to buy assets that had gone

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down in value

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that was the thesis

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but some mistakes were made along the

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way we're gonna talk about that because

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the thesis also ended up being wrong

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I realized this a couple days ago as I

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was leaving teeterboro on Route over to

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Chicago I just interviewed Kevin O'Leary

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in New York City and I was on my way to

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Chicago I had a message from my mom that

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here's this amazing meal she was having

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in Cabo San Lucas and I'm like how does

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my mom afford Cabo San Lucas when I know

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with certainty she generally Works

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paycheck to paycheck and she does her

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job well but she likes to spend her

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money when she has extra money she

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doesn't care about investing she doesn't

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want to own rental property she doesn't

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want to own stock she wants to live

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and I thought to myself well when I was

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a child I remember we had no money I

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remember losing my childhood home to

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near foreclosure my friends in school

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were all torn away from me and I

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remember this ever optimism of my mom

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even after my parents divorce in that

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nah that's okay as long as we're still

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alive uh we'll make it work and and

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we'll get some money together and so on

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one hand you know my father who's

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running a business and and trying to do

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things you know in the way of running

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the business and building the business

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and owning real estate you know we're

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out of twenty dollar bills to buy a

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Bionicle because there's no money left

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to pay the bills and we have serious

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problems my mom who never wanted to

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invest a dime in real estate or stocks

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or otherwise like ah I'll save a little

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extra from from working you know minimum

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wage or whatever and we'll get that

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Bionicle we'll make it happen you know

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maybe not today but in a couple days

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we'll we'll scrape it together it's just

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like that it was a weird like ever

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optimism despite poverty

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and it made me think wow you know as

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long as you're not homeless or disabled

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or Afflicted with substances Americans

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my mom being sort of transplant from

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Germany still mostly German but also now

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mostly in American

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usually maybe just people in general

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have a way to manage and they enjoy the

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experiences and value experiences of

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being able to either buy their children

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something or go on a vacation even if

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you're living paycheck to paycheck uh

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even if that meant you had to go on a

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shoestring budget you were going to save

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up to have money for that flight money

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for the state and you were going to go

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be there and have a good time even if it

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meant you were taking the city bus to

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get around you were going to have a good

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time it was gonna be like a high-end

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ritzy vacation but you were going to

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survive and you were gonna live and you

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didn't die

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and that really made me think wow

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how does that compare to our consumption

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in the economy today and how does any of

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this compare to the whole concept of

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being wrong well it actually does

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substantially consider this

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70 of Americans live paycheck to

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paycheck

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and consumption makes up about 72

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percent of our GDP which is really

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interesting because if you multiply

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those two together it means that

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slightly more than half of the economy

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is driven by these spending habits of

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people who are living paycheck to

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paycheck

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that was mind-blowing to me because I'm

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thinking of myself like whoa wait a

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minute if you're paycheck to paycheck

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that means you have no money to spend

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anything wrong it just means the money

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you do have you are spending that's all

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it means

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so

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that kind of blew my mind when I made

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this connection to my childhood and put

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myself in those shoes because I realized

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wait a second

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my thesis that this would be a poor

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person's recession was wrong and and

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sorry to be insensitive for the word

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poor but let's just keep it since simple

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here okay we'll get into semantics here

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I've been poor and it's okay to say that

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but the idea was that if your energy

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costs are going up your food costs are

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going up your rent is going up poor

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people are screwed because they won't be

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able to invest

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people with white collar jobs Pilots

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CPAs real estate agents lenders they'd

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survive because they'd be able to make

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more money

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Not only would they survive but they'd

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be able to continue to buy luxury goods

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like solar panels for their homes for

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Teslas or computers or business

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equipment

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because they'd have more money to invest

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in those things

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well what ended up happening

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well stocks plummeted in 2022. and wages

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skyrocketed specifically for the lower

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income individuals in 2022. so what did

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that end up doing to wealthier people

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and businesses which most businesses

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over 70 percent of businesses small

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businesses are owned by people over 35.

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so what happened with the older folks

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people over 35 well people over 35

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they're small businesses and the Boomer

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Generations what do they do they ended

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up spending less money they felt crushed

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whether it was their Investments that

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lost value they felt less Rich they

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ended up spending less money for one

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reason or another because of stocks or

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tumult in real estate you know real

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estate has come back somewhat okay we

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could talk about that separately and we

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probably will towards the end of the

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video but

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think about this the older folks are the

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ones that took

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this why do we know this well we know

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that 80 percent of stocks are owned

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by people who are not Millennials or gen

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Z in other words the older Generations

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eighty percent are owned by people older

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and so guess what according to American

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Express it's those people who actually

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have negative year-over-year real

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spending

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it's the Gen Z's and the millennials

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who own barely any of the stocks who

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maybe had some stocks or crypto lost

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some money and they're like whatever who

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are now actually

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making more money potentially a lot more

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money who are spending more money

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they don't give a sh9t about stocks or

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real estate in large part now all of a

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sudden you're making 18 bucks an hour

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instead of 12 bucks an hour you're

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getting paid 50 more so you're getting

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paid 50 more and you don't give a flying

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Hoot about real estate or stocks

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not being perfectly precise here but the

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implication is what matters

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higher wages for the paycheck to

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paycheck cohort means higher spending on

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travel entertainment restaurants

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Chipotle Ulta

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normal people stuff

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McDonald's Costco whatever

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I'm not at all trying to Discount that

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inflation is hurting this cohort

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yes food costs have gone up but guess

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what we're still buying and yes we have

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to survive I get that

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but people are also making more money so

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yes the costs are up but we're also

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making more money especially at the

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lower income tiers whereas potentially

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the higher income tiers those

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white-collar jobs they're not actually

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making more money real estate agents are

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selling less homes lenders are doing

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less deals investment bankers are doing

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less uh mergers and Acquisitions

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companies are buying less computers uh a

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corporate spend is is you know American

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Express Corporate spend for larger

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businesses is up but for smaller

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businesses it's way down uh in real

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terms year over year and so yeah the

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larger businesses maybe have some extra

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money but that's probably because

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they're laying off people and they're

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able to spend more money on stuff to

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make investments on more server

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equipment or whatever right but that's

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what you're supposed to do you're

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supposed to trim during a recession and

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spend more money so that not is not

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necessarily relevant to our human

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equation the human equation says that

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people with higher wages

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are actually feeling this recession more

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whereas potentially lower income

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individuals are not and again I'm not

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trying to be insensitive to inflation I

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get it coffee is more expensive food is

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more expensive I go to Cheesecake

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Factory I'm like what the hell you know

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I go to Chipotle I'm dude 17 bucks for a

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burrito with guacamole this is insane

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but what do we still do we still do it

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especially paycheck to paycheck because

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making more money

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so people want to live and that goes

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back to my childhood story right you

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want to live so even though you're

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living paycheck and yes you have higher

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expenses you're able to spend more money

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so you're able to pay that higher

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pricing at Chipotle at the hotels on

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your vacations for your airfare and so

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people aren't cutting back on that

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especially the ones who haven't been

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reamed in the stock market or in real

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estate and real estate again not so much

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yes okay real estate has started

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recovering in q1 Florida is doing just

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fine California is not doing as well uh

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and and none of that really matters I

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didn't want to sell my real estate to

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perfectly try to time the market I think

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I sold at a fantastic time my reason for

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personally getting out of real estate

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because I really think most people

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should never sell real estate just

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Diamond hand through my reason for

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selling my real estate is unique to me

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because I'm throwing my money into a

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real estate startup uh and I don't want

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people who are investing in my startup

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to think that I'm competing with them

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for rental properties so that's more of

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just a personal commitment to my startup

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uh I think the timing of what I'm sold

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was good

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but I'm not trying to re-time the buy

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and I you know handle the tax

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implications to where I'm not like the

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tax implications have no effect again

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I'm in a unique situation because of

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that so let me carve that out and just

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say that's a unique situation but let's

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understand what this means for an

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individual because you might be thinking

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to yourself but Kevin like poor people

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have to pay higher interest now well

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let's actually analyze that for a moment

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consider this if you have a thousand

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dollars outstanding on a credit card

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and your interest rate was 20 before

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rates went up you're paying 200 bucks a

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year in interest

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that's not that much money you're making

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way more than 200 a year anyway

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like marginally more because if you're

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making 50 more maybe instead of making

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15 grand a year you're making 25 Grand a

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year

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that's a really good change right who

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cares about your credit card interest

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rate at 200 bucks a year or whatever but

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wait a minute what if the interest rate

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now goes up five percent

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okay so you're you know 20 interest goes

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to 25 that sounds like a lot but for

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credit card debt per thousand bucks

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that's an extra 50 bucks

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per 10 grand a credit card debt that's

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an extra 500 bucks it's not going to

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kill you especially when you're making

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50 more money who cares so it's one less

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meal out or a few less meals out on a

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yearly basis right but your wages are up

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50 so maybe you're actually up meals and

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travel rather than down

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go to the business owner now instead and

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compare somebody who gets a 50 million

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dollar line of credit for working

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capital like a trucking business or a

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distributor

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and they pay you know two percent on

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their 50 million dollar line of credit

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and all of a sudden now they're paying

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seven percent because rates are up five

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percent well that means they're having

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to pay 2.5 million dollars more per year

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for that line of credit that's 200 000

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more per month who really gets screwed

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now the worker making 50 more money

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paying five percent more on their credit

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card no

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or the business owner paying an extra

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salary per month for that line of credit

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obviously the small business owner small

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business owner gets screwed the big

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businesses the massive corporations they

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have a low-cost Capital Apple can borrow

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for basically rates near treasuries

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not that big of a deal and they have a

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ton of cash and I mean you have to

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borrow that much

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so you know what really sucks is when

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you look at the last GDP report

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you know what's happening inventories

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are compressing at businesses why did

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what did end face say in their earnings

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call inventory sell through is slow

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end phase is the manufacturer

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wholesalers sell and face products well

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if wholesalers say hey I got enough

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batteries in solar panel or solar

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inverters this quarter I don't need to

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order from unfaz and face suffers

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so if the working costs of capital go up

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for that business they order less

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inventory

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the same is true for many small

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businesses throughout America and really

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the globe the reality is that most of

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the businesses installing solar

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relatively smaller businesses so if

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smaller businesses are feeling the crimp

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and face feels the crimp

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interesting

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now what else did GDP say oh services

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and consumption up well maybe that's not

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stagflation right because what what

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anchored GDP down

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was inventories that came in way below

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expectations but services and

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consumption came in above expectations

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so maybe this is not a stagflationary

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economy maybe we just got the whole

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picture wrong so the whole argument here

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is wait a minute

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maybe this is not a recession of poor

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individuals this is actually a recession

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of small businesses

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White Collar professionals middle and

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upper income individuals they are the

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ones getting burned because of the stock

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market

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and business revenue is falling again

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I'm not saying poor individuals aren't

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selling but this is not the poor

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person's recession that I thought it

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would be this is actually the middle and

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upper class recession

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and that's really fascinating because

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that means I basically positioned wrong

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because my thinking was if this was

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going to be a poor person's recession

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that you would want to get away from

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basically ultimately things that

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everybody is buying like Staples are

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going to see a lot of a downtrend but

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Staples have been some of the best

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performing stocks over the last year now

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part of that could be because everybody

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rushes into those thinking if we're

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going to a recession where Staples do

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best but those are the best performing

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stocks right now

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and there's this thesis that oh the

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Federal Reserve is going to be able to

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raise rates and crimp spending of

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everyone but the reality is like the

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credit card example I gave that's not

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true the FED could raise rates

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but it doesn't even affect poor

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individuals because they're making more

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money

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they don't care who cares the business

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owner the middle to Upper income

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individuals those are the people who

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care about higher interest rates for

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individuals who are living paycheck to

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paycheck it's like pushing out a string

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when you raise rates who cares

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which means potentially we could have a

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higher for longer scenario where you

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have to buckle up and you have to deal

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with the FED being higher for longer so

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again it's not a poor person's recession

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it's a middle and upper class recession

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so what does that mean well again it

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means stocks like Tesla and end phase

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are under stress longer potentially a

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lot longer whereas stocks like

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McDonald's Walmart Chipotle Ulta they're

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doing just fine and they might do fine

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for a wee bit longer now does that mean

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it's time to flip-flop

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well my opinion the answer to that is no

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like

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how do you go bearish right now

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on stocks that have already gotten

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hammered as much as some of these higher

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income stocks like you've already gotten

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whacked on some of these

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but to go from those bearish positions

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over to Staples now in my opinion would

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be moving from underpriced stocks

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to overpriced stocks that are doing well

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in the short term

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so I think that would be a big mistake I

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think repositioning now to the expensive

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stuff would be like a sheep following

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the herd of all right we're going to

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reposition well that did well the last

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year let's double down on that

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I think that's a mistake

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so the bottom line out of all of this is

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if you're invested in growth you

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probably have to buckle up for some more

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pain for longer because the fed's

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interest rate increases aren't really

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affecting that Services segment where

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people are spending their money which

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they have more of on the paycheck to

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paycheck side and in some cases we're

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still trying to get back to trend

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and it all makes sense comparing back to

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my childhood

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all makes sense

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you're gonna you're gonna make more and

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you're gonna spend more

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but in the meantime the people who have

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invested in stocks did hurt but now I

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think the biggest danger would be moving

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from stocks that have gotten hammered

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to stocks that have performed well now

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would I short the stocks that I've

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performed well no because we don't know

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how much longer this is going to go

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is it time to go all in on margin on on

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the growth stocks no of course not I

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still believe we are going to be in a

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volatile Nike Swoosh recovery now we

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know we have you know the Federal

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Reserve and oh but what are they gonna

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do and are they what are they gonna

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pause and all this kind of nonsense look

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the Nike Swoosh takes time I really

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believe that if we look out on the week

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chart for uh what's been going on with

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the NASDAQ we'll go to uh I haven't

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turned on night mode on this computer

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but we'll go to this um

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we'll go to this input right here uh

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there we go so

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here's the NASDAQ here's your down

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that's the tip of your Nike Swoosh this

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is the volatile

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upswing now we've had quite a few red

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days in a row here which you'll actually

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only see if you go to the data ah here's

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your red red red red uh and then we're

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seeing some green over here I guess

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we're somewhat flat uh these are the

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average candlesticks so if I go to the

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normal candlesticks yeah all right so

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we'll see we'll see where we are

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nasdaq's doing pretty decently but

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anyway you go back to these average

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candlesticks over here

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and you go out to the weak chart look at

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what you have you still have the Nike

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Swoosh this is the beginning of it

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this is the elongated recovery part of

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it I really believe this this phase from

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here to here will come in a very Lumpy

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multi-year period multi-year period

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so

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that's my thought uh I do think the

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positioning was wrong uh initially but I

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do not think that at this point it makes

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sense to repair that positioning

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but I think it's very useful to

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acknowledge that mistake and learn from

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it and recognize where we are now and

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recognize why we have this continued

20:46

inflation uh and this is why the Federal

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Reserve says until we have more job loss

20:51

we might not see control of that service

20:53

as inflation I hope that's not the case

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because that means we're gonna have to

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keep hiking higher for longer or at

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least stay higher for longer

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so we'll see anyway thanks for watching

21:03

good luck out there we'll see in the

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next one

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