Cathie’s Wood’s *Wild* Stock & Crypto Targets
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now we've got to talk Kathy Wood and
what is going on with this crazy Big
Ideas pamphlet it's 65 pages long we're
just gonna look at some of the bottom
lines and comment on them but she's got
a 65 page report on her big Ideas we
already know four or her five main
Theses for all of these public
blockchain she sees a large-scale
incorporation of blockchain tech let me
be very clear about my opinion on
blockchain Tech before I keep going here
but my opinion on blockchain Tech is
very very simple it is that in the
future there's going to be no difference
between blockchain technology which is
fantastic and you turning on your water
faucet in other words it is going to
become a commoditized uh utility I don't
want to say Monopoly because I think
there will be many different utilities
and much like in your area you might be
able to get a t or Spectrum there'll be
a few big blockchains that most people
use and they can be customized for
certain purposes or companies but I
I I don't find necessarily it's
something that we can directly invest
into without a substantial speculation
premium at this point and eventually
they'll just end up lowering costs at
corporations so I think corporations
will end up benefiting most from from
blockchain utilities uh and and so
that's probably the best place to invest
to get exposure to them is when it
becomes profitable to use blockchains
companies will be all over that
efficiency
that's my take now ai of course we
expect AI to be big we'll be talking
about that here battery storage robotics
you know Tesla for example buying their
own robotics manufacturer in 2016 uh in
Germany fantastic uh multi-nomic
sequencing or multi-ohmic whatever
genomic technology great still gonna be
a while before uh we've got substantial
Gene editing going into people who are
already live uh but uh okay it's gonna
be a space to pay attention to over the
next few decades that's that's
absolutely true uh there's talk over
here
that uh smart glasses and basically
virtual reality and augmented reality
will be constrained until we get
advances in battery energy density yes
possibly but this is actually where
apple has a very interesting potential
solution
so apple is coming out with this this uh
virtual reality and augmented reality
headset and what they're actually doing
is they're detaching the battery from
your actual head and it's probably
something you'll end up putting in your
pocket and uh then unfortunately you
have a like probably a stupid lightning
cable or something going down there but
it'll increase the functionality a lot
because the last thing you want is some
kind of headset that you can only wear
for like 20 minutes and the battery's
dead
yes in the future when boundary
technology is substantially better yes
uh it'll be a lot more convenient to be
able to use these virtual reality and
augmented reality headsets personally
though I'm very excited about being able
to the Apple headset I want to play with
that because they talk about being able
to turn a wheel much like the wheel the
Apple watch has and go from a virtual
reality Vision to an augmented reality
Vision now I personally get headaches
when I use virtual reality I think the
best kind of virtual reality will be
something more like a Google Glass where
you basically look through glass and you
see the world but you get those little
Holograms or or you know heads up
displays that can pop up I like that
idea but uh TBD the the woozy glasses
that promise to do that were not were
not very good now I thought this was a
little remarkable
is that Kathy thinks we're going to
potentially see
8.5
GDP growth between 2021
through at least 20 40. if not through
2025.
that's crazy
now oftentimes I think a lot of the
projections that Kathy and Ark invest do
and I respect them a lot I agree with
her will probably exceed GDP growth
estimates uh but I think sometimes the
projections they give are designed to
make you go that's nuts and then make
people talk about it it's a great
marketing tool fantastic marketing tool
but in order to sort of showcase how
different this would be we have this
really highly manipulated graph on the
left that takes GDP growth rates going
all the way back to I kid you not 100
000 BC
before the Common Era so in other words
one hundred thousand one hundred and two
thousand twenty three years ago
is is where we go back to starting to
measure GDP
for historical context
I don't think this is the kind of
historical context we need
but anyway
Kathy believes instead of our economy is
growing at 2.6 globally they're going to
grow at 8.5 percent
this is pretty remarkable I don't think
so uh especially with a deflation uh
coming which Kathy and I agree on that
the deflation is is probably a greater
risk than inflation uh leading to
substantial more productivity with less
spending more productivity less spending
in theory should unlock more GDP growth
or just unlocks less spending and people
investing more and if people invest more
their wealth goes up which is great but
if their wealth goes up GDP doesn't
necessarily go up because the velocity
of money on investing is like one to two
whereas the velocity of money on
spending is like four to five
so if people invest more they become
richer they're able to do more with less
but they don't necessarily contribute to
GDP as much
I don't know about that and I don't like
the manipulation of the chart so I'm
gonna give a red flag on that
now I do like this I agree with Kathy
when she says that AI training costs are
declining at an annual rate of 70
percent and that now the cost to train a
language model
has gone down from 4.6 million dollars
to just 450 000 in two years
and that AI should increase the
productivity of knowledge workers by
more than 4X now there are two things
that you need to know here number one
what should you do to prevent yourself
from getting replaced by AI there's only
one thing you can do you can be a
creative that's it you have to be able
to prove that you have creative input
otherwise you will get replaced by a
robot okay the second thing to know
about this is
I and I got a lot of a lot of like a lot
of people were freaking out at me when I
was talking about house hack using AI uh
which which we will do with with human
moderation but a lot of people were
freaking out about this because they're
like Kevin
how are you gonna spend more money on AI
than Google does that doesn't make sense
you're an idiot that's the kind of crap
that I was getting in the comments and
it basically shouted to me God you know
nothing about AI because see we can
actually build our own AI using
Google's AI that's the point so the
better things like chat GPT get and the
better things like Google AI get the
easier it is for us to use their neural
Nets train them the way we want them
and then we become more efficient so AI
is not this this crazy world of
everybody trying to build their own
house right it's not like everybody's
trying to build their own little Hut and
while that companies are creating their
own little Huts a better analogy is to
think about it as like there's a massive
house and what you're really doing is
you're kind of like expanding that
you're trying to build on top of that
house like hey let's build another
add-on and let's build a second story
all right it's it's building blocks that
are that are being created would be a
better analogy like think about it as
sort of like Legos right the better
Google gets and the larger Foundation
they build the more people can build on
top by using their products and services
with uh say like a Google AI or whatever
so I actually think it's great the
better AI gets
in in Enterprise the more companies can
implement it into their own businesses
it's fantastic absolutely fantastic
so okay some PDFs here uh or some charts
here on basically things becoming less
expensive for AI Bill fine already
talked about that uh AI could lead to a
tenfold increase in productivity vendors
could capture 10 of the value created by
the products and AI Engineers could
generate up to 14 trillion in Revenue
blah blah blah okay whatever so you get
some crazy projections here on AI but
the other argument here that Kathy makes
is that she believes that
uh AI will reduce the amount of average
hours worked per day globally even more
apparently right now the average hours
worked and I didn't know this but
apparently the average hour hours worked
daily this includes like weekends and
holidays and everything is 4.7
so on average people work about 4.7
hours a day and Kathy projects this will
go down to about 4.4 and that reduction
in worked hours will probably lead to
more time spent online
more time spent online should be good
for companies like trade desk now while
she doesn't specifically mention trade
desk
she does talk about how connected TV ad
spend should grow 20 in real terms at a
compounded annual rate especially as TV
non-digital ad spend goes digital
interesting okay
now this though I thought was a little
bit of a stretch
talking about immersive virtual
experiences should Galvanize the next
wave of Gaming
and she's using this almost
metaverse-esque example to suggest that
Disneyland in California gets about 20
million at an annualized rate uh
attendees
and that
Tommy play in Roblox or Walmart land get
more like 35 million annualized visitors
okay
first of all I don't think
focusing on what children like
five-year-olds are doing on Roblox
is at all relative to families going to
Disneyland which is extremely expensive
to travel to and extremely expensive to
stay at an extremely expensive to visit
for Park tickets and extremely expensive
when you're on the inside and you want
to even just survive on food and and
drinks that you can get there and you
can't even get alcohol and most of of
Disneyland Parks which is crazy it's
like a crime but anyway beyond beyond
focusing on that crime I I don't know
that there's any value at all and
comparing the annualized attendance to
theme parks in Roblox
to real amusement parks I I don't really
think this matters at all okay Max
attends theme parks daily in Roblox and
roller coaster tycoons daily in Roblox
that has in my opinion zero to do with
our spending when we go to an actual
theme park I don't know so I'm not
really sure where that's going but then
again you know kids do spend a lot of
money on Roblox okay then we talk about
digital wallets and how digital wallets
are taking over I'm a little skeptical
about some of this data because
a lot of people have multiple digital
wallets and I'm not sure that people
having multiple digital wallets has been
accounted for and some of these charts
and I think that's a big risk factor yes
more people are getting digital with
their wallets yes cash is going down
thankfully cash is stupid you should
never spend money uh with cash unless
you're buying drugs or things that are
illegal uh beyond that I think
everything should be on a credit card
don't use debit cards and of course we
should see digital wallet growth but
then again I've got like I feel like 17
digital wallets so I'm not confident in
in some of those charts
uh I do think it's interesting you know
Kathy makes it very clear there have
been a lot of negative things that have
happened for crypto markets positive
things that have happened for markets uh
but she talks most interestingly here
about nfts highlighting the potential
for mainstream crypto demand and
could private key cryptography in the
hands of Millions
I I I don't I don't know that I support
some of these vague claims like dozens
of companies and Publishers have
announced web 3 ambitions the only
reason companies are doing that is
because it was a fad the only reason
Disney wanted to start selling uh you
know digital versions of Spider-Man
doing stupid poses on you know Vive or
whatever is because people are actually
buying that garbage and it's just a
profit opportunity I do not actually
think that nfts have any mainstream
functionality if you're just buying
poses now it's one thing if I'm going to
be able to buy an nft and and uh you
know that gives that's like my annual
pass for going to Disney fine but if the
annual pass for Disney
I don't know what it costs let's say
it's cost a thousand bucks okay let's
say the annual cost to attend a Disney
park is a thousand dollars
am I gonna pay two thousand dollars for
the nft of that annual pass hell no
would I pay a thousand twenty five
dollars and you know I I get some other
perk that I value at twenty five dollars
would I then get the nft fine but it has
to align with the the value the value
proposition has to be so great to
convince me to actually give a crap that
it really doesn't make a difference
relative to here's your annual pass card
okay great it's now on my Apple wallet
or my you know the nft part of my Apple
wall do I really think that has some
kind of potential for massive like
revenue for companies no it's just
basically moving things from a physical
thing to a digital thing like the Apple
wallet like when I go to Dave and
Buster's now I don't use the Dave
Buster's power card anymore I used to
spend so much money as a child at Dave
and Buster's and I don't understand how
my dad pulled it off because we live
paycheck to paycheck and didn't have
money to do this but it'd still take me
to Dave Busters all the time and I'd
always play at that stupid rigged game
where the little light goes around in
the circle and then you try to hit the
dot and I'd win the jackpot a lot but we
know it's rigged uh it would I I didn't
realize it was rigged then I I refuse to
play it now because I realize it's raid
but anyway thanks uh who did it Mark
Roper I think did the piece on that but
anyway
I had the gold card back then okay I
felt powerful now I just have a stupid
little digital thing in my arm whatever
all right so uh okay yeah so we know
Bitcoin is inflation resistant but this
is ridiculous to to suggest that Bitcoin
is transparent is absolutely ridiculous
we have no idea who holds what wallets
yes we can track as things move but
so the transparency argument is not
there yet unless we know uh who who
holds every wallet address there's
really little transparency especially
when you have things like which I know
tornado cash was shut down but there are
plenty of other things like tornado cash
that make it very difficult for you to
figure out what is going on on
blockchain uh yes the theory of it is
transparent but but it's somewhat
ridiculous so uh okay Bitcoin has a
durable Network Bitcoin getting to a
trillion dollar uh market cap again uh
or or yeah uh billion okay yeah and then
Bitcoin going to a million bucks a coin
the thesis of going to a billion a
million dollars a coin
is really this thesis that it's going to
take the place of gold so let's go over
here here is the price Target assumption
so the bear case is that no corporations
want to hold Bitcoin is that in the bear
case
Global remittances so sending is five
percent okay maybe because it's easier
to send money internationally fine
Emerging Market currency point five
percent maybe it's not going great for
El Salvador right now but maybe
uh Global seizure resistant asset Global
High net worth individual deposits into
Bitcoin one percent
in her bear case she believes that
Bitcoin will represent 20 of the gold
market the gold Market's like
10 trillion dollars right now
and uh the bear case for Kathy is that
by 2030 we're going to sit at uh Bitcoin
uh two trillion dollars solely because
of gold that's a 5x from where we are
now
it's not too terribly unbelievable to
think that is possible that that that's
not terribly unbelievable so that's
that's a 5x roughly four to five vaccine
market cap 20 of gold reserves in in
Bitcoin as a digital gold especially
with its inflation resistance I'll
actually give credit to that idea do we
think it'll go to Five a 50 in the uh
the bull case over here
a little more of a stretch by 2030 Maybe
by 2040 2050.
but if the other assumptions start
getting a little extreme that
potentially five percent of all
corporate cash will be in Bitcoin or
that 25 so in other words one in four
Global remittances would be done through
BTC
and ten percent of all U.S settlement
volumes going through BTC
for banking I don't think so I think
banks will use their own blockchains but
I don't think that will have anything to
do with Bitcoin or necessarily the
Bitcoin lightning Network so
I'm very skeptical of of the bull case
scenario
uh then of course we get to the idea of
pharmaceuticals need Innovation I mean
this is very true big fan of that I
think actually the biggest risk for
Pharma
is uh what kind of Regulation we get out
of controversies like the Pfizer
controversies right because think about
it
look it's obvious Pfizer exposes itself
to the potential for gain of function
research they don't call it that they
call it directed Evolution because
basically what they're doing is they're
taking viruses and
looking at hey if we infect five monkeys
with this virus which monkey has the
most contagious strand now let's take
that really contagious monkey and infect
a bunch of other monkeys with it and
then they'll take the most contagious
out of that that is called directed
Evolution but it's dangerous because
it's likely to lead to a virus that can
actually gain functions because you're
taking the more virulent strain over and
over and over again and so there's a
risk to this sort of research
of substantially new forms of Regulation
that limit the potential for businesses
like Pfizer to actually continue
conducting this sort of research now on
one hand
this is where Society has to say how
much of that kind of studying do we want
and are we okay with that kind of
research I don't know but there's a lot
of social media backlash over that which
could potentially lead to a lot of new
regulation that actually crimps the
ability of the pharmaceutical in
Industry to continue to to innovate with
with a lot of
the type of research they do now
especially when it comes to mRNA
research
we'll see I mean it seems pretty
incredible at least the potential that
mRNA could help solve things like
cancers or cardio diseases or
neurological diseases and and so it'll
be interesting but I think there's
there's definitely a regulatory risk
factor of investing all in on genomics
and and Pharma right now and personally
I know enough to know that I know
nothing about the pharmaceutical
industry
and for me if I don't understand it I'm
not going to invest in it that's just my
taking it I do think there are going to
be some really incredible new therapies
uh in the pharmaceutical and Gene
editing world I'm really Blown Away with
the stuff that you can already do right
now even just sequencing embryos to
decide hey like which which baby uh
embryo do you want to implant in an in
vitro fertilization scenario that maybe
doesn't have certain diseases uh that
that certain members of a couple have so
you know if a couple one person and a
couple has asthma you could actually
look at the embryos and go which of the
embryos doesn't have asthma and implant
that
now that's also starting to lead to
ethical concerns over hey like are we
you know engineering children uh so
these are all going to be things that
Society sort of has to deal with uh and
uh and evaluate and I'll tell you I know
way too little about the Pharma industry
to uh to be able to place bets there
so uh but I'm very curious about it
we'll see what happens I do think
regulatory concerns are going to be a
huge potential impediment uh anyway so
uh here on the electric vehicle space
Arc forecasts that electric vehicle
prices will Decline and sales will
increase at more than a 50 annual rate
to 60 million units by 2027
I'll tell you if we're going to get to
60 million electric vehicles by 2027
there's going to be nobody other than
Tesla and maybe byd that actually have
the potential to fulfill that kind of
demand that quickly uh Ford thinks
they're going to get to 600 000 Vehicles
by 2025 and I don't believe them as far
as I could throw them
I don't believe Ford at all I think
Ford's full of crap especially having
gone through their last drawings called
it's disgusting they see their biggest
they Dodge questions on margin because
they believe for their actual electric
vehicles because they don't expect
margin on electric vehicles because they
can't figure out how to be efficient in
manufacturing they expect to make lots
of money on software but then you have
to ask yourself do you really think Ford
is a software developer
it's not a bet I would make
not at all
faster charging rates projected by Arc
kind of interesting to me especially
since uh Arc suggests that EVS have
reached price parities with internal
combustion engine vehicles I believe
this uh the EV charging rate
uh so this this forecast I also think is
actually very exciting because one of
the most frustrating things with TR uh
charging right now electric vehicles is
it takes long it still takes long you
can go to a supercharger and yes the
superchargers are great but you go to
most of the regular charging
infrastructure that we have the charge
Point Chargers uh whatever uh Electrify
America Chargers these things are slow
you're not getting a substantially fast
charge at a lot of these places you're
going to when you go to a restaurant and
oftentimes you go to let's say Disney
World where they have charge Point uh
chargers for Disneyland where they have
them you're plugging this thing in
overnight so once the Stalls are taken
they're taken for a while just to charge
one of these up so that leads to a lot
of anxiety for the potential new
Adoption of EVS a lot of folks at least
anecdotally who uh or resistant to an
Eevee or worried about the potential for
being able to charge quickly and so I
agree that charging rates need to
improve and Kathy here suggests that in
the past four years charging rates have
already improved nearly threefold from
40 minutes to 15 minutes for 200 miles
of range and during the next five years
it could drop fourfold again she
projects to getting 200 miles of range
in four minutes
now that is pretty fascinating if
there's the potential we could get down
to 200 uh miles of range in just four
minutes I think EV adoption can sustain
uh this this growth that she's
projecting getting to 60 million
Vehicles over 20 by 2027 because you
need people suggesting oh I only need to
plug in for four minutes that's less
than the time it takes to fill up my my
car with gas to get you know to 300
miles of gas uh uh range at uh at a gas
station so kind of fascinating
interesting idea battery cost decline
should continue to drive exponential
growth in EV sales
yep totally agree with that
although EV sales have scaled
exponentially the consensus forecast is
linear now I think there's the potential
and and maybe she talks about it here
but there's the potential she's not
considering the supply limitations via
lithium or battery materials needed so
in other words
the Wall Street estimates or that
electric vehicles are going to grow at a
relatively stable rate where she expects
to see this essentially explosion in
electric vehicle adoption but the
limitation of Supply chains might be an
issue here that will lower the potential
for Ev adoption uh and and restrict the
Kathy Woody and projection of EV growth
and that's not really mentioned here as
a risk factor I think it should be
mentioned
all right so then uh we've got
autonomous ride hailing scaling towards
widespread commercial adoption today
autonomous ride hailing Services Delight
Riders across 15 cities internationally
okay I don't think we're close to this I
understand that in certain cities things
are perfectly mapped out but I don't
think we're mapping the world anytime
soon
and I think even though for example
Tesla's full self-driving is pretty good
you know I give it a 90 grade Tesla's
full self-driving is still not good at
seeing dips in the road
elevation changes on the road even with
the latest software update it still does
funky things like if you need this is
probably my biggest complaint with Tesla
uh full self-driving
I'll just draw it out
okay if you are on a let's say uh uh
this is a road over here this number one
lane over here is a left turn uh Lane
that uh that sort of appears so that
means you you have a curb here and then
the left turn lane appears right and
that left turn lane is just a temporary
left turn lane so you could turn left at
a traffic intersection so you've got the
number one lane here on the left the
number two lane
is your continuation of traffic lane the
number three lane is another
continuation of traffic lane and then
your number four lane is a merge lane so
it's a temporary merge lane that then
disappears it gets curved off right
and let's say the Tesla enters uh this
space from the right I have to deal with
this regularly in multiple different
areas the Tesla enters
from the right so it's in the number I
don't know three lane over here uh on
the right
the Tesla very regularly when it has to
enter uh traffic from a right term and
it needs to end up all the way on the
right on on the left so we're gonna go
from X
to X1 that's what we need to do the car
is still regularly prefers
to go into number four get up to speed
at number three Totally Miss the left
turn panic and slow down over here and
try to come to a stop to try to go over
here does this at multiple different
intersections it still has not gotten
the mentality that maybe I should wait
for traffic to clear and instead of
going into the number four lane I should
wait until traffic's clear and go all
the way over
still not doing that now I understand
that's just software we can get there
I'm just saying it's stuff like this
it's stuff like dips in the road and
it's those more complicated scenarios
that it's still not good at yet I give
it that 10 so 90 good 10 still doing a
lot of learning
uh and I think it's going to be quite a
while before we get this sort of mass
scale of autonomous taxis hopefully it's
as Arc suggests by 2026
that might be a little optimistic now
the idea that ride hailing is an 11
trillion dollar potential addressable
Market
yeah I'll agree with this I I agree that
in the future we probably won't even
have our own cars we'll just be able to
take an iPhone app and go take me from
here to here and then you can get rid of
parking lots then you can get rid of
having a car and owning a car but that's
probably still 10 plus years away
this idea is well that taxis could
eliminate sixty percent of short haul
airline flights
also somewhat interesting because
flying sucks yeah it's you know going to
the airport dealing with TSA uh and and
having to fly you know to like say Vegas
you know a a commute from here to Vegas
is about six hours
but if I need to do that through lax I'm
looking at at least an hour of a commute
to get there you got to be two hours
early I know you could show up last
minute but then it's scary and then you
get flight delays then you gotta
actually fly then you're at the airport
then you gotta get a rental car when
you're there you're not saving any time
you're still looking at a six hour
commute you may as well have just driven
it
they have an autonomous tax you could do
it if the battery ranges are long enough
hey maybe maybe
so uh and then of course we get to
autonomous Logistics Robotics and that
so it's an interesting idea
that uh as time goes on things of course
are going to become a lot more uh
autonomous and we'll see a substantial
adoption in electric vehicles and
autonomous taxis but a lot of these
projections while they're they're
clearly on the horizon I think in the
near term
are not anywhere close to us yet full
autonomous taxis me I don't I don't see
it yet until at least 2028 and Beyond uh
at least another two to three years
beyond the projections here a million
dollar Bitcoin takes some substantial uh
especially optimistic adoption hopes
that I don't think we're going to see in
blockchain uh genomics I think are going
to get really hampered by regulation
especially where we see uh sort of
Humanity right now and it's and its
willingness to allow uh pharmaceutical
companies to essentially have free reign
on genomics and and the engineering of
uh of DNA
probably going to be some regulatory
impediments in this world and I think
this is why you've got a lot of
pharmaceutical companies kind of racing
to do as much as they can now before
they start getting limited uh and then
of course we have to consider Supply
chains for Batteries uh artificial
intelligence that's probably the place I
agree with Kathy the most in that really
you can build Ai No Matter What company
you are right now using what's already
been learned in the AI space so
absolutely agree with Kathy on the AI
space
and the potential for revolution in EV
is there it's probably going to take a
little bit longer than expected though
but overall these are very good ideas
and we are moving towards a future that
is in line with Kathy's vision of the
future uh but I'm I'm not certain how
that they will come as fast as expected
if you're able to charge at home it's
not really an issue uh in terms of fast
charging yeah maybe you got to keep in
mind though a lot of people are
frustrated about the ideas of or the
idea of of buying electric vehicles
because they they a lot of folks when
they make the decision to purchase a
vehicle they think about what they might
do not what they regularly do right so a
lot of folks are like oh well what's the
range oh can I get to Vegas and back
without having to charge like these
these ideas of
The Edge case scenario surprisingly
weigh a lot in purchasing decisions now
I'm going to make this up because I
don't know this with certainty but I
wouldn't be surprised
that the range of a vehicle probably uh
is is
a purchasing factor for that has about a
30 weight I'm making that up but I would
believe that people's decision to
purchase one car over another in the
electric vehicle space 30 percent of the
decision goes into range I'm making that
up but I would not be surprised if
that's true
on the flip side
the average daily commute for people
is about 25 miles
so really round trip you don't need more
than an 80 mile battery that that gives
you you know 50 miles for your round
trip and a little bit of bonus you
really don't need more than about 80
miles of range per day for the average
user
yet I think on average most people
substantially overvalue how much range
they actually need and that's gonna take
a while and so I think Kathy's argument
that hey well as we uh have charging
Networks that are more convincing to
buyers we will be able to sell more EVS
so I that's where I agree with her on
that argument
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