The Recession is Cancelled | Warning.
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the recession is canceled or is it and
that's the big question we've got to
talk about now because now there's a big
debate going on on Wall Street about are
we going to experience a hard Landing a
soft Landing or no landing at all that's
what's being debated by economists now
and the fed's mouthpiece Nikki T is
adding some insight and some commentary
into it and we'll analyze that as well
as providing more perspective but first
we got to look at what JP Morgan has to
say and JP Morgan isn't very excited JP
Morgan suggests that disinflation that
we are seeing in markets now might end
up just being transitory which this is
basically egg in the face of the Federal
Reserve it's the idea that hey Federal
Reserve y'all thought that inflation
going up was going to be transitory and
what ended up happening it ended up
skyrocketing and Lasting a whole lot
longer and being being a whole lot
bigger than you thought it was going to
be and while that might be what every
woman in America wants to hear it's not
what we want to hear in economies now
you've got folks like Marco klonovac
over at JPM suggesting hey hey wait a
minute now you're arguing we're seeing
disinflation Mr jpow yeah well we think
your disinflation might end up being
transitory in this next upcoming CPI
report could show us how transitory it
ends up being that disinflation in other
words right back to inflation and JP
Morgan of course picks up on this idea
that jobs growth is pouring cold water
on the idea of a soft Landing uh that uh
ultimately jobs growth is reheating the
economy they also suggest that at 68 of
s p 500 companies have beat EPS
estimates now while that's lower than
the long term term average of 75 percent
it's still pretty good it shows things
aren't actually as bad as it seems and
wage growth while it seems to be
tentatively moderating because of higher
job openings PMI starting to rotate back
up again and uh reports from uh from
earnings showing that maybe things
aren't that bad maybe we might end up
having to crimp the economy
substantially further which this is
basically JPM arguing hey you know
you've got a situation right now where
look you might end up having a fad that
has to tight tighten a lot more than
they think while at the same time
companies are choosing well do we lay
off people or continue to see margins
suffer because margins are the big
buffer right now and JP Morgan suggests
in their belief the stock market is
going to end up hitting an air pocket in
Q2 or Q3 this is all in reference to
kind of like the the soft Landing idea
and it's basically suggesting hey if the
plane comes in for a soft Landing that's
one thing JP Morgan thinks we're still
flying but we're gonna hit an air pocket
and kind of fall in like a sort of
turbulent pattern in Q2 and Q3 and the
reason we're going to do that in their
opinion is because the Federal Reserve
is likely to hike more aggressively and
that is going to end up hitting earnings
and especially stocks a lot more than
individuals are expecting in fact JP
Morgan throws cold water on this idea
that hey look we broke the 200-day
moving average there's a golden cross
we've got all these technicals
suggesting to potentially the beginning
of a new business cycle what does JP
Morgan say no we are not at the
beginning of a new business cycle or or
you know economic cycle we are actually
at the tail end of the current crash and
that actually means there's more pain to
come and this idea of a soft Landing is
nonsense well to counter this sort of
bearish view from JP Morgan that the
soft Landing is nonsense and that things
are going to get worse and if anything
we should actually be looking at a hard
Landing now to counter that you actually
have this idea of well maybe we
shouldn't be talking about a landing at
all and this is what Nikki T has been
tweeting he posted this article being
published in today's print uh actually
my newspaper should be sitting on my
front lawn right now I'm a big fan by
the way of reading print but I I'm also
a fan of reading digital I do both uh
and the print is great because you don't
miss anything right I actually saw
Charlie munger's op-ed in print and I'm
like this is so cool just because it
feels old school but anyway uh so hard
or soft Landing some economists say
neither if growth accelerates now this
is very interesting because you have JP
Morgan suggesting we're going for the
hard Landing you've got technical
analysts suggesting no we're going for a
soft Landing because we broke the
200-day moving average and the numbers
just aren't that bad you know companies
aren't missing that terribly so well
what does Nick T say in his article and
where can we add some perspective well
he says the following surprising
strength in hiring and consumer spending
last month together with signs that
demand for Autos in the housing market
might be stabilizing after a decline now
have some economists pointing to a third
scenario that seemed improbable just a
few weeks ago an actual economic growth
upturn in other words a no Landing
scenario now that's really interesting
because everybody's been talking about a
landing and now let's talk about what if
there's just no landing at all what if
we don't actually have to land the
economy what if we just keep on flying
could be fantastic now Auto prices have
moved up but it's worth noting that
mortgage rates uh which which somewhat
potentially signals a bottom in the used
auto market but this idea that the
housing market is picking up I think is
a little bit of Click bait because
unfortunately even though mortgage rate
rates fell in December look just on
screen now here at the tick up that
we're seeing in mortgage rates going
into February they're taking right back
up at a 740 credit score you're still
sitting at nearly six and a half percent
at 6.44 for a 30-year fixed rate
mortgage that's not necessarily
conducive with the housing market that's
going to pick up again if anything it's
conducive with a housing market that's
going to fall again but anyway let's
keep going and add some perspective for
this idea of a hard or soft Landing so
here's an individual who talks about
there's a huge reluctance to admit the
obvious which is this idea that the
economy is re-accelerating full stop
says this particular individual from the
research firm Renaissance macro now this
is the idea that look people gaining
jobs is actually a good thing remember
Jerome Powell's dual mandate his dual
Band-Aid is stable prices and maximum
employment if we have stable prices he
does not need to force a recession that
is very important to remember drum
Powell does not need to force a
recession and create unemployment as
long as we do not have the symptoms of a
wage price spiral which so far it
doesn't look like we have the symptoms
of a wage price spiral if anything it's
becoming easier for companies like
Starbucks and Walmart and chipotle to
hire individuals and as you saw with
Lyft and Uber there's been a massive
rise in the number of people willing to
drive 36 percent increase at uh at Uber
and as Lyft calls it an extreme increase
in the availability of labor at Lyft
leading to a reduction of prices leading
to a reduction in Peak pricing leading
to a reduction in margins for companies
like Lyft now moving on there's some
talk about here how the Federal Reserve
has raised rates at the fastest Pace
since the 80s and while wage growth
slowed in January there was an increase
in hourly hours worked which kind of
implies this idea that hey maybe no wage
price spiral but you're actually having
an economy that's recovering a bit which
is good now I think this so calls for
patients and real estate because of the
the uh pick up again in raids but you
know you've got this idea now that what
if we have no landing at all now some
people like folks over at Morgan Stanley
respond and they say well you know uh
the longer we fly the longer we have a
risk that we run out of fuel and we
break something I personally actually
think sure it's possible we could have a
Black Swan but I actually think this
analogy is kind of flawed this idea that
we have to come in for a landing at all
and it's true you know if maybe maybe we
were coming in for a landing but now
we're doing a go around or where you
know what we're like we don't want to
land anymore we're just going to hit the
gas and fly again you know planes that
are coming in for a landing they can
just hit the gas and take off again like
they don't actually have to touch the
ground at all I think it's it's easy to
forget that uh and and so this idea of
of constantly comparing the economy to a
plane it kind of suggests that well why
didn't we run out of fuel in 2014 or 15
or 16 or 17 or 18 or 19 when the economy
he's just continuing to grow the in my
opinion we have to remember that work is
basically fuel for the analogy of the
plane so the more the economy functions
and grows the more fuel it actually has
so this idea that we have to force a
recession uh or land the economy I I
think is actually a fair one to say that
we don't need to it is fair to say that
maybe there is a no Landing scenario at
all uh and that really we are seeing the
biggest cushion come into play from uh
margins at companies and we'll talk
about that in just a moment but
regarding the economy itself we're now
sitting at a 90 chance that we're going
to hike rates to five percent by June
that's double that odd from a 45 uh from
45 percent ago uh just a month ago and
we're seeing more spending right we saw
retail sales rebound consumer spending
rebound Visa Mastercard all reiterating
this uh Nick t apparently forgot that
mortgage rates have already moved back
up and now this is an interesting one
because Nick T doesn't provide all of
the color that he should hear and this
is where I always like to provide
additional perspective see Nick T here
mentions that Unilever the maker of Dove
and Ben and Jerry's ice cream mentioned
that Revenue was up nine percent in the
fourth term even as volumes fell and
Prices rose 11
Pepsi talks about increasing sales
prices as well well fortunately I
actually have those earnings calls and
one of the things that I noticed going
through these earnings calls that's very
very clear is that these companies while
the yes they do talk about increasing
prices they talk about no longer being
able to increase prices suggesting that
the consumer is burned out of price
increases let's look at Unilever a
little bit in detail and let's look at
Pepsi a little bit in detail so what do
we have over here
so uh we have uh we have volume being
impacted more than expected volume was
less than they would have modeled at
these levels of price growths and that's
because they have experienced
extraordinary inflation this is Unilever
so it's important to know that yes these
companies have experienced uh inflation
and there is still inflation in the
pipeline and that yes as China comes
back we should see potentially some
pressure on Commodities but what does
Unilever say here gross margin was down
210 basis points reflecting the fact
that the fact that despite stepping up
pricing and Landing higher delivery from
our savings programs we were very
mindful of the pressure on consumers and
chose not to fully offset the
extraordinary level of inflation through
pricing in other words they didn't have
the big enough PP to pass on all of the
price increases this actually shows you
that even though oh even though you
still have inflationary pressures
companies are realizing we can't keep
raising prices we can't keep raising
prices because we don't have that big of
a PP and this in my opinion is not a
sign as Nick T implies in his article
that oh my gosh these companies are
raising all this pricing that's where he
stops in the article but Nick bro you
gotta go a step further man you got to
go a step further and analyze is it
possible that those price increases are
done or that they're not actually a full
price increase that could be made and
the answer to that is absolutely yes the
companies themselves are telling you
that even with the increases we are
getting hit with margin we are not able
to fully cover the price increases
currently and even though we were able
to cover a lot of them we are not going
to be able to continue doing that in
2023. in fact Unilever is now talking
basically about scamming people okay I'm
being a little facetious with that but
they're basically talking about yeah
we're looking into our architecture for
how we package products to basically try
to pass on higher pricing while giving
less product right when they talk about
price pack architecture that's what
they're talking about it's like your
beer that was ten dollars used to be 12
ounces now it's 10.9 ounces right that's
basically shrinkflation uh and and
they're they're frustrated because
they're realizing their margins are
getting crimped listen to this quote
right here I'm I'm literally reading it
from the horse's mouth here so that's a
bit of a comprehensive Tour on the last
year characterized by high levels of
pricing and pack price architecture and
lower levels of promotion that's 2022.
this year there will need some we will
need some level or some list pricing and
probably use mix more in 2023 than we
have historically in English
peepee down we can't raise prices as
much anymore volume is expected to be
negative going into the next year
because of price elasticity being
limited people have a limit to how much
they are able to pay and so you are
seeing that limit show up over here
you're seeing PP falling that is
Unilever but Nikki T didn't just mention
Unilever He also mentioned Pepsi so what
does Pepsi tell us because after all
Pepsi raise prices a lot right well
let's go over to Pepsi and let's just
briefly look at what Pepsi has to say
for us okay first thing we have right
here is on inflation
I have a couple of comments on that
number one obviously inflation is still
out there as a factor for us partly the
fact that inflation is still high it's
not as high as it was before but then
the numbers are still relatively high so
we know this in the food and beverages
space and Aerospace space space you
still have lingering Embers of inflation
we know that we know that with certainty
but what do they talk about instead of
raising prices what does Pepsi talk
about yeah
um this year we really want to grow
productivity they literally say that
we're looking to drive a lot of
productivity this year and put
Investments back into the business and
consumers are responding positively to
this but our expectation is to hopefully
have margins in line with 2022. so
listen to that for a moment they're
going to increase productivity in 2022
but have margins in line with 2022. in
other words
their costs might be going up but
they're not able to pass those costs on
to their consumers instead they're going
to increase productivity to preserve
their margins think about that visually
for a moment okay
if the red line is pricing and the
orange line is cost on the left it's 22
on the right it's 2023. if the company
is saying hey we want to have the same
bottom line which is the X we want the
bottom line to be at the same level
margin if we want margin to be at the
same level and we're not increasing
pricing instead we're going to increase
productivity to absorb uh the the orange
increase here
then we are preserving margin through
more productivity not by raising prices
that's what they're talking about here
we're not raising prices anymore uh or
we're not able to anymore because people
are starting to react negatively right
that's a problem
so I wanna so here's somebody who wants
to ask about pricing and the higher
range and stuff they're or they're
talking about winning uh uh winning
uh winning market share they talk about
how in the last two years there's been
more pricing increases in the last two
years uh obviously we know that we've
had a lot of inflation the last two
years so that's not a surprise and then
over here we have uh Revenue growth
still growing at a healthy rate and we
feel good about that guide uh and
volumes yeah volumes might go down a
little bit but let's see how the year
plays out so and they say right now the
consumer is still quite good but we're
planning for multiple scenarios so what
do you have when you actually read the
entire Pepsi earnings call you don't
have a company that same thing at
Unilever you don't actually have a
company that is saying hey we're going
to keep raising prices that's not what
you have at all so Nick T in his article
is like basically ending the article by
saying uh well you know I have still
inflation uh but the reality is these
companies are out of steam these
companies I'm going to write it down are
out of steam to raise prices instead
they're talking about productivity and
volumes going down that's what they're
talking about productivity to preserve
margins and volumes going down they're
also talking about packaging
uh stuff differently
to basically trick the consumer I mean
that's just what shrinkflation is right
it's a trick of the consumer uh and so
even though there might be higher input
costs they realize the ability to pass
that on to Consumers is limited and I
think this is something very important
to remember is that the Federal Reserve
right now cares about c p lie oh sorry I
meant to say CPI there we go the Federal
Reserve right now cares about CPI
they do not as much care about b p i and
the fed's version of CPI is p c e
personal consumption expenditures anyway
this is important because these are very
different
consumer and personal is very different
because it's the end product price the
end product price at companies even like
Unilever and Pepsi
or other companies like Starbucks and
chipotle and Whole Foods uh at the
clothing companies all of the companies
that I'm reading about that sell stuff
to Consumers are like we are tapped we
can't raise prices anymore the only
places I'm actually seeing price
increases are like in Aerospace or
Industrials and in some of these raw
material impact inputs for producers so
we could be in a situation where yes you
still have producer price inflation but
you don't have as much CPI or pce so
what does that mean because you might
ask yourself but Kevin but Kevin if
input costs go up so in other words if
costs go up the PPI goes up how is it
possible that CPI doesn't go up what's
simple it's the elasticity of demand
puts a limit there's a ceiling and that
ceiling is measured by CPI but Cavett if
the producer price goes up doesn't the a
ceiling have to go up no because people
stop demanding the goods or the services
if it goes up so then who pays for it
Kevin simple
margin margin go down profit at
companies goes down let me make that
even more simple
earnings
go down and so this is where you can
actually potentially go back to this JP
Morgan article where they talk about
seeing equities hitting an air pocket
during Q3 and Q2 why because earnings go
down earnings go down not inflation go
up for consumers that could actually
potentially lead to the no Landing
scenario so what is a potential no
Landing recession is canceled scenario
look like well here's what it looks like
throw that up on screen a no Landing
scenario looks like the following it
looks like basically uh job growth
wage stability so in other words more
people employed but wage stability it
looks like Consumer Price stability it
looks like Embers of inflation still
coming through but new Embers not
forming it means earnings down
especially at food and Staples this is a
red flag because if you are if you have
been investing in Staples in 2022 you're
probably going to see the margin impact
in 2023 so that's something to keep in
mind so how do you potentially avoid
that impact well potentially you look
for pricing power stocks where could
those be maybe and it depends how the
economy moves this could flip-flop but
maybe that could end up being uh in
Renewables if the economy does well if
the economy does poorly uh then and you
actually do go into recession Renewables
would probably do poorly uh it's
potentially in uh uh in tech and and AI
in in stocks that have substantially uh
been burdened but now these companies
have hopefully
streamlined their margin a little bit by
laying off and maybe we go back to uh
economic growth and then generally these
companies that have sold off over the
last year would be the beneficiaries of
that maybe right but it depends so these
Renewables of tech AI would be great in
a re-acceleration environment if we
actually do go into recession
environment this is the the the riskiest
scenario because this is where you just
ultimately have a selldown of everything
right as we've seen over the last year
but anyway the no Landing scenario is
actually bullish in my opinion for for
growth Renewables sort of a
re-acceleration in that area and not so
great for restaurants and uh your uh
your your more uh price sensitive uh
areas so uh you know again you're
looking at uh uh evidence of this this
cap on pricing even coming from Tyson
Foods right price and foods like yeah
look some of our costs are going up but
we we just can't raise prices anymore
because our PP is getting small
something important to keep in mind very
very very important
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