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the recession is canceled or is it and

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that's the big question we've got to

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talk about now because now there's a big

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debate going on on Wall Street about are

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we going to experience a hard Landing a

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soft Landing or no landing at all that's

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what's being debated by economists now

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and the fed's mouthpiece Nikki T is

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adding some insight and some commentary

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into it and we'll analyze that as well

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as providing more perspective but first

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we got to look at what JP Morgan has to

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say and JP Morgan isn't very excited JP

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Morgan suggests that disinflation that

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we are seeing in markets now might end

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up just being transitory which this is

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basically egg in the face of the Federal

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Reserve it's the idea that hey Federal

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Reserve y'all thought that inflation

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going up was going to be transitory and

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what ended up happening it ended up

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skyrocketing and Lasting a whole lot

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longer and being being a whole lot

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bigger than you thought it was going to

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be and while that might be what every

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woman in America wants to hear it's not

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what we want to hear in economies now

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you've got folks like Marco klonovac

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over at JPM suggesting hey hey wait a

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minute now you're arguing we're seeing

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disinflation Mr jpow yeah well we think

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your disinflation might end up being

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transitory in this next upcoming CPI

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report could show us how transitory it

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ends up being that disinflation in other

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words right back to inflation and JP

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Morgan of course picks up on this idea

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that jobs growth is pouring cold water

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on the idea of a soft Landing uh that uh

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ultimately jobs growth is reheating the

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economy they also suggest that at 68 of

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s p 500 companies have beat EPS

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estimates now while that's lower than

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the long term term average of 75 percent

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it's still pretty good it shows things

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aren't actually as bad as it seems and

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wage growth while it seems to be

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tentatively moderating because of higher

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job openings PMI starting to rotate back

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up again and uh reports from uh from

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earnings showing that maybe things

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aren't that bad maybe we might end up

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having to crimp the economy

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substantially further which this is

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basically JPM arguing hey you know

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you've got a situation right now where

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look you might end up having a fad that

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has to tight tighten a lot more than

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they think while at the same time

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companies are choosing well do we lay

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off people or continue to see margins

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suffer because margins are the big

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buffer right now and JP Morgan suggests

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in their belief the stock market is

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going to end up hitting an air pocket in

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Q2 or Q3 this is all in reference to

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kind of like the the soft Landing idea

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and it's basically suggesting hey if the

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plane comes in for a soft Landing that's

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one thing JP Morgan thinks we're still

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flying but we're gonna hit an air pocket

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and kind of fall in like a sort of

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turbulent pattern in Q2 and Q3 and the

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reason we're going to do that in their

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opinion is because the Federal Reserve

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is likely to hike more aggressively and

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that is going to end up hitting earnings

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and especially stocks a lot more than

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individuals are expecting in fact JP

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Morgan throws cold water on this idea

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that hey look we broke the 200-day

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moving average there's a golden cross

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we've got all these technicals

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suggesting to potentially the beginning

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of a new business cycle what does JP

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Morgan say no we are not at the

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beginning of a new business cycle or or

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you know economic cycle we are actually

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at the tail end of the current crash and

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that actually means there's more pain to

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come and this idea of a soft Landing is

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nonsense well to counter this sort of

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bearish view from JP Morgan that the

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soft Landing is nonsense and that things

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are going to get worse and if anything

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we should actually be looking at a hard

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Landing now to counter that you actually

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have this idea of well maybe we

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shouldn't be talking about a landing at

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all and this is what Nikki T has been

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tweeting he posted this article being

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published in today's print uh actually

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my newspaper should be sitting on my

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front lawn right now I'm a big fan by

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the way of reading print but I I'm also

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a fan of reading digital I do both uh

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and the print is great because you don't

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miss anything right I actually saw

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Charlie munger's op-ed in print and I'm

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like this is so cool just because it

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feels old school but anyway uh so hard

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or soft Landing some economists say

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neither if growth accelerates now this

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is very interesting because you have JP

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Morgan suggesting we're going for the

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hard Landing you've got technical

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analysts suggesting no we're going for a

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soft Landing because we broke the

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200-day moving average and the numbers

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just aren't that bad you know companies

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aren't missing that terribly so well

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what does Nick T say in his article and

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where can we add some perspective well

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he says the following surprising

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strength in hiring and consumer spending

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last month together with signs that

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demand for Autos in the housing market

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might be stabilizing after a decline now

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have some economists pointing to a third

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scenario that seemed improbable just a

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few weeks ago an actual economic growth

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upturn in other words a no Landing

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scenario now that's really interesting

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because everybody's been talking about a

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landing and now let's talk about what if

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there's just no landing at all what if

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we don't actually have to land the

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economy what if we just keep on flying

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could be fantastic now Auto prices have

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moved up but it's worth noting that

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mortgage rates uh which which somewhat

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potentially signals a bottom in the used

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auto market but this idea that the

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housing market is picking up I think is

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a little bit of Click bait because

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unfortunately even though mortgage rate

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rates fell in December look just on

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screen now here at the tick up that

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we're seeing in mortgage rates going

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into February they're taking right back

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up at a 740 credit score you're still

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sitting at nearly six and a half percent

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at 6.44 for a 30-year fixed rate

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mortgage that's not necessarily

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conducive with the housing market that's

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going to pick up again if anything it's

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conducive with a housing market that's

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going to fall again but anyway let's

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keep going and add some perspective for

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this idea of a hard or soft Landing so

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here's an individual who talks about

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there's a huge reluctance to admit the

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obvious which is this idea that the

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economy is re-accelerating full stop

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says this particular individual from the

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research firm Renaissance macro now this

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is the idea that look people gaining

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jobs is actually a good thing remember

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Jerome Powell's dual mandate his dual

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Band-Aid is stable prices and maximum

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employment if we have stable prices he

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does not need to force a recession that

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is very important to remember drum

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Powell does not need to force a

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recession and create unemployment as

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long as we do not have the symptoms of a

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wage price spiral which so far it

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doesn't look like we have the symptoms

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of a wage price spiral if anything it's

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becoming easier for companies like

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Starbucks and Walmart and chipotle to

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hire individuals and as you saw with

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Lyft and Uber there's been a massive

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rise in the number of people willing to

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drive 36 percent increase at uh at Uber

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and as Lyft calls it an extreme increase

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in the availability of labor at Lyft

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leading to a reduction of prices leading

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to a reduction in Peak pricing leading

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to a reduction in margins for companies

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like Lyft now moving on there's some

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talk about here how the Federal Reserve

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has raised rates at the fastest Pace

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since the 80s and while wage growth

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slowed in January there was an increase

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in hourly hours worked which kind of

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implies this idea that hey maybe no wage

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price spiral but you're actually having

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an economy that's recovering a bit which

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is good now I think this so calls for

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patients and real estate because of the

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the uh pick up again in raids but you

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know you've got this idea now that what

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if we have no landing at all now some

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people like folks over at Morgan Stanley

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respond and they say well you know uh

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the longer we fly the longer we have a

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risk that we run out of fuel and we

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break something I personally actually

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think sure it's possible we could have a

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Black Swan but I actually think this

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analogy is kind of flawed this idea that

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we have to come in for a landing at all

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and it's true you know if maybe maybe we

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were coming in for a landing but now

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we're doing a go around or where you

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know what we're like we don't want to

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land anymore we're just going to hit the

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gas and fly again you know planes that

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are coming in for a landing they can

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just hit the gas and take off again like

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they don't actually have to touch the

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ground at all I think it's it's easy to

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forget that uh and and so this idea of

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of constantly comparing the economy to a

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plane it kind of suggests that well why

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didn't we run out of fuel in 2014 or 15

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or 16 or 17 or 18 or 19 when the economy

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he's just continuing to grow the in my

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opinion we have to remember that work is

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basically fuel for the analogy of the

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plane so the more the economy functions

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and grows the more fuel it actually has

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so this idea that we have to force a

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recession uh or land the economy I I

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think is actually a fair one to say that

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we don't need to it is fair to say that

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maybe there is a no Landing scenario at

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all uh and that really we are seeing the

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biggest cushion come into play from uh

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margins at companies and we'll talk

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about that in just a moment but

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regarding the economy itself we're now

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sitting at a 90 chance that we're going

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to hike rates to five percent by June

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that's double that odd from a 45 uh from

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45 percent ago uh just a month ago and

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we're seeing more spending right we saw

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retail sales rebound consumer spending

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rebound Visa Mastercard all reiterating

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this uh Nick t apparently forgot that

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mortgage rates have already moved back

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up and now this is an interesting one

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because Nick T doesn't provide all of

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the color that he should hear and this

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is where I always like to provide

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additional perspective see Nick T here

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mentions that Unilever the maker of Dove

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and Ben and Jerry's ice cream mentioned

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that Revenue was up nine percent in the

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fourth term even as volumes fell and

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Prices rose 11

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Pepsi talks about increasing sales

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prices as well well fortunately I

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actually have those earnings calls and

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one of the things that I noticed going

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through these earnings calls that's very

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very clear is that these companies while

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the yes they do talk about increasing

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prices they talk about no longer being

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able to increase prices suggesting that

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the consumer is burned out of price

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increases let's look at Unilever a

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little bit in detail and let's look at

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Pepsi a little bit in detail so what do

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we have over here

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so uh we have uh we have volume being

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impacted more than expected volume was

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less than they would have modeled at

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these levels of price growths and that's

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because they have experienced

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extraordinary inflation this is Unilever

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so it's important to know that yes these

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companies have experienced uh inflation

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and there is still inflation in the

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pipeline and that yes as China comes

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back we should see potentially some

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pressure on Commodities but what does

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Unilever say here gross margin was down

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210 basis points reflecting the fact

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that the fact that despite stepping up

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pricing and Landing higher delivery from

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our savings programs we were very

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mindful of the pressure on consumers and

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chose not to fully offset the

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extraordinary level of inflation through

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pricing in other words they didn't have

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the big enough PP to pass on all of the

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price increases this actually shows you

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that even though oh even though you

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still have inflationary pressures

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companies are realizing we can't keep

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raising prices we can't keep raising

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prices because we don't have that big of

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a PP and this in my opinion is not a

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sign as Nick T implies in his article

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that oh my gosh these companies are

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raising all this pricing that's where he

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stops in the article but Nick bro you

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gotta go a step further man you got to

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go a step further and analyze is it

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possible that those price increases are

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done or that they're not actually a full

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price increase that could be made and

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the answer to that is absolutely yes the

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companies themselves are telling you

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that even with the increases we are

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getting hit with margin we are not able

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to fully cover the price increases

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currently and even though we were able

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to cover a lot of them we are not going

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to be able to continue doing that in

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2023. in fact Unilever is now talking

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basically about scamming people okay I'm

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being a little facetious with that but

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they're basically talking about yeah

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we're looking into our architecture for

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how we package products to basically try

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to pass on higher pricing while giving

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less product right when they talk about

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price pack architecture that's what

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they're talking about it's like your

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beer that was ten dollars used to be 12

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ounces now it's 10.9 ounces right that's

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basically shrinkflation uh and and

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they're they're frustrated because

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they're realizing their margins are

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getting crimped listen to this quote

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right here I'm I'm literally reading it

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from the horse's mouth here so that's a

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bit of a comprehensive Tour on the last

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year characterized by high levels of

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pricing and pack price architecture and

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lower levels of promotion that's 2022.

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this year there will need some we will

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need some level or some list pricing and

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probably use mix more in 2023 than we

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have historically in English

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peepee down we can't raise prices as

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much anymore volume is expected to be

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negative going into the next year

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because of price elasticity being

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limited people have a limit to how much

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they are able to pay and so you are

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seeing that limit show up over here

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you're seeing PP falling that is

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Unilever but Nikki T didn't just mention

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Unilever He also mentioned Pepsi so what

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does Pepsi tell us because after all

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Pepsi raise prices a lot right well

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let's go over to Pepsi and let's just

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briefly look at what Pepsi has to say

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for us okay first thing we have right

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here is on inflation

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I have a couple of comments on that

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number one obviously inflation is still

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out there as a factor for us partly the

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fact that inflation is still high it's

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not as high as it was before but then

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the numbers are still relatively high so

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we know this in the food and beverages

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space and Aerospace space space you

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still have lingering Embers of inflation

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we know that we know that with certainty

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but what do they talk about instead of

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raising prices what does Pepsi talk

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about yeah

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um this year we really want to grow

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productivity they literally say that

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we're looking to drive a lot of

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productivity this year and put

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Investments back into the business and

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consumers are responding positively to

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this but our expectation is to hopefully

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have margins in line with 2022. so

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listen to that for a moment they're

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going to increase productivity in 2022

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but have margins in line with 2022. in

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other words

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their costs might be going up but

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they're not able to pass those costs on

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to their consumers instead they're going

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to increase productivity to preserve

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their margins think about that visually

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for a moment okay

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if the red line is pricing and the

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orange line is cost on the left it's 22

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on the right it's 2023. if the company

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is saying hey we want to have the same

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bottom line which is the X we want the

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bottom line to be at the same level

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margin if we want margin to be at the

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same level and we're not increasing

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pricing instead we're going to increase

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productivity to absorb uh the the orange

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increase here

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then we are preserving margin through

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more productivity not by raising prices

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that's what they're talking about here

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we're not raising prices anymore uh or

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we're not able to anymore because people

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are starting to react negatively right

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that's a problem

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so I wanna so here's somebody who wants

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to ask about pricing and the higher

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range and stuff they're or they're

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talking about winning uh uh winning

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uh winning market share they talk about

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how in the last two years there's been

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more pricing increases in the last two

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years uh obviously we know that we've

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had a lot of inflation the last two

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years so that's not a surprise and then

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over here we have uh Revenue growth

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still growing at a healthy rate and we

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feel good about that guide uh and

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volumes yeah volumes might go down a

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little bit but let's see how the year

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plays out so and they say right now the

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consumer is still quite good but we're

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planning for multiple scenarios so what

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do you have when you actually read the

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entire Pepsi earnings call you don't

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have a company that same thing at

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Unilever you don't actually have a

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company that is saying hey we're going

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to keep raising prices that's not what

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you have at all so Nick T in his article

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is like basically ending the article by

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saying uh well you know I have still

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inflation uh but the reality is these

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companies are out of steam these

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companies I'm going to write it down are

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out of steam to raise prices instead

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they're talking about productivity and

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volumes going down that's what they're

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talking about productivity to preserve

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margins and volumes going down they're

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also talking about packaging

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uh stuff differently

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to basically trick the consumer I mean

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that's just what shrinkflation is right

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it's a trick of the consumer uh and so

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even though there might be higher input

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costs they realize the ability to pass

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that on to Consumers is limited and I

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think this is something very important

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to remember is that the Federal Reserve

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right now cares about c p lie oh sorry I

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meant to say CPI there we go the Federal

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Reserve right now cares about CPI

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they do not as much care about b p i and

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the fed's version of CPI is p c e

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personal consumption expenditures anyway

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this is important because these are very

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different

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consumer and personal is very different

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because it's the end product price the

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end product price at companies even like

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Unilever and Pepsi

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or other companies like Starbucks and

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chipotle and Whole Foods uh at the

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clothing companies all of the companies

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that I'm reading about that sell stuff

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to Consumers are like we are tapped we

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can't raise prices anymore the only

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places I'm actually seeing price

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increases are like in Aerospace or

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Industrials and in some of these raw

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material impact inputs for producers so

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we could be in a situation where yes you

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still have producer price inflation but

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you don't have as much CPI or pce so

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what does that mean because you might

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ask yourself but Kevin but Kevin if

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input costs go up so in other words if

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costs go up the PPI goes up how is it

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possible that CPI doesn't go up what's

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simple it's the elasticity of demand

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puts a limit there's a ceiling and that

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ceiling is measured by CPI but Cavett if

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the producer price goes up doesn't the a

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ceiling have to go up no because people

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stop demanding the goods or the services

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if it goes up so then who pays for it

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Kevin simple

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margin margin go down profit at

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companies goes down let me make that

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even more simple

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earnings

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go down and so this is where you can

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actually potentially go back to this JP

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Morgan article where they talk about

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seeing equities hitting an air pocket

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during Q3 and Q2 why because earnings go

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down earnings go down not inflation go

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up for consumers that could actually

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potentially lead to the no Landing

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scenario so what is a potential no

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Landing recession is canceled scenario

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look like well here's what it looks like

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throw that up on screen a no Landing

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scenario looks like the following it

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looks like basically uh job growth

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wage stability so in other words more

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people employed but wage stability it

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looks like Consumer Price stability it

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looks like Embers of inflation still

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coming through but new Embers not

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forming it means earnings down

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especially at food and Staples this is a

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red flag because if you are if you have

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been investing in Staples in 2022 you're

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probably going to see the margin impact

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in 2023 so that's something to keep in

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mind so how do you potentially avoid

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that impact well potentially you look

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for pricing power stocks where could

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those be maybe and it depends how the

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economy moves this could flip-flop but

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maybe that could end up being uh in

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Renewables if the economy does well if

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the economy does poorly uh then and you

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actually do go into recession Renewables

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would probably do poorly uh it's

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potentially in uh uh in tech and and AI

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in in stocks that have substantially uh

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been burdened but now these companies

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have hopefully

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streamlined their margin a little bit by

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laying off and maybe we go back to uh

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economic growth and then generally these

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companies that have sold off over the

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last year would be the beneficiaries of

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that maybe right but it depends so these

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Renewables of tech AI would be great in

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a re-acceleration environment if we

22:28

actually do go into recession

22:29

environment this is the the the riskiest

22:32

scenario because this is where you just

22:33

ultimately have a selldown of everything

22:34

right as we've seen over the last year

22:37

but anyway the no Landing scenario is

22:39

actually bullish in my opinion for for

22:41

growth Renewables sort of a

22:43

re-acceleration in that area and not so

22:45

great for restaurants and uh your uh

22:49

your your more uh price sensitive uh

22:51

areas so uh you know again you're

22:54

looking at uh uh evidence of this this

22:58

cap on pricing even coming from Tyson

23:01

Foods right price and foods like yeah

23:03

look some of our costs are going up but

23:04

we we just can't raise prices anymore

23:06

because our PP is getting small

23:08

something important to keep in mind very

23:11

very very important

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