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I think that Kevin's a brilliant guy and

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I think that we'd we'd we'd all be very

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lucky to have him.

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>> Stephen, where do you stand on

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>> Wow. Well, Stephen Moran just gave an

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interview that flipped a lot of my

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expectations for who Morad was and what

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he stood for at the Federal Reserve. And

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I actually think what he said is leading

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to some sudden bleeding in the stock

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market and yields rising even higher on

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the day since we started recovering on

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yields and now they're going back up

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again after this Moran interview. In

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this we are going to break down exactly

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what just said. Keep in mind the

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anticipation of yields going to 415 is

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exactly what we forecast in our alpha

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report and we talked about it on Fed day

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if the Fed was neutral. just added

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fuel to this fire and yields which were

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about 4% on Fed day are now at 4 point

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roughly 4.14

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very close to exactly where we thought

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we were going to go. Now, we got to

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break down what said, but I want

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to mention something that I think is

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really cool. If you were a member of the

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Alpha Report, you saw me yesterday

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morning say that Tesla was trading in no

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man's land and too high and it was

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likely to trade down, traded straight

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down to 414. And if you were looking for

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an easy trade this morning, this morning

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I said we're bouncing off 414. We could

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get some upside on Tesla today. and you

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would have been able to pick up nearly

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$15

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on that trade. Now, some of this

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talk and some bleed here recently, but

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it's still up from that line. And if

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you're not part of it yet, join that

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alpha report over at meetke.com. Yeah,

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Koopa Coat Daddy's back, baby. Okay.

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Anyway, all right. So, let's talk about

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what did Mulan say. first of all,

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this guy's a lot more intelligent than I

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originally gave him credit for. I

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thought that this was going to be, you

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know, your classic kind of shill that

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just ends up showing up at the Fed and

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shilling Donald Trump's uh uh, you know,

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gut rates down. I thought he was going

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to blow up the SCP, the summary of

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economic projections, and I thought he

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was going to blow up the dot plot. And

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he really didn't do that. I have to give

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him credit for that. You know me, my

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goal is to be hated by everyone, so I

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love dunking on politicians. I hate

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politicians. And what I found I was

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actually really impressed with. And it

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it goes to say, this is sort of a leadin

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to what Moran just said, but it goes to

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tell us that this guy's not actually

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trying to ruin the institution of the

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Fed. Yeah, he was the low dot over here.

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He just admitted as much, but over here,

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he fits really well into the rest of the

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dots. It's not like he's demanding zero

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rates and he's showing for like mega

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rate cuts. He also didn't give us any

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kind of huge outliers in the range over

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here. See, I even wrote no sandbag

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other than descent for 50. I thought

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this was really like respectful, but

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what he just said in the interview on

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CNBC was incredible. Not only uh did we

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hear something that I thought that I was

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personally very impressed with. I think

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that Kevin's a a brilliant guy and I

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think that we'd we'd we we'd all be very

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lucky to have him.

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>> Stephen, where do you stand on?

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>> We ended up hearing his insights on how

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low rates should go. First, he said

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this, which turned markets towards the

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downside. We are not too far from

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neutral. This was a disappointment. A

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lot of people are hoping that the

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Federal Reserve is going to be there to

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bail us out. The Federal Reserve is

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going to cut rates and sustain the

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euphoric end to the Nike swoosh

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recovery. We've been talking Nike swoosh

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since 2022. And we always said it would

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end in absolute euphoria. Now, we can't

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really know when that peak is until,

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well, frankly, hindsight. You know, in

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10 years, we'll be able to look back and

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go, "Dad, bro, look at that Nike

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swoosh." Right? And the Nike swoosh was

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gorgeous. We called it for years that

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it's time to buy the Nike swoosh. I

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bought Nvidia over here at the bottom of

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the Nike swoosh right here, September of

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2022. It's literally the bottom of the

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Nike swoosh. And I still hold the damn

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shares right now. Over 13,000 of them.

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That's an alert I sent out to course

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members when I bought it. You know,

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people who bought the course back then,

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they're still getting Alpha Reports

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today. And when I turn around and sell

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Nvidia, you'll be the first to know in

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the the course member lesson. But

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anyway, the the euphoric portion is that

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the the hope is that the Federal Reserve

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will keep this pushing and moving for a

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while. Moran took a little bit of that

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enthusiasm away by saying we're not too

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far from neutral and that growth will be

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better in the second half. He's actually

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saying, "Yeah, everybody thinks I'm

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going to be a shill for just cutting

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rates, but I actually think we only need

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50 and maybe another 25 or so there, but

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that's it. growth is going to come back.

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We're not too far from neutral. The risk

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is that the longer we stay restrictive,

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the greater the risk is to the labor

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market. So, he's basically saying, look,

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if 3% is where we want rates to be,

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let's get down to 3% as soon as possible

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and then let's get let's let's be happy

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there. So get down to 3% and unless

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there's a financial stability concern,

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we don't need to cut more. That's the

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argument that he's making. This idea

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that hey, we don't need to necessarily

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cut to zero because we think growth is

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going to come back. We actually think

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that uh tariffs aren't hurting the

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economy and that yeah prices can change

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a little bit, but it's not that big of a

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deal because if you think about

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inflation, prices change quote all of

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the time. But they're not macro

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significant enough to affect monetary

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policy. In other words, who cares? You

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get some tariff inflation, prices change

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a little bit. Big deal. But don't be so

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restrictive that you're hurting the

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labor market. I have to say, I was

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really impressed with Mr. I really,

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really thought that he was just going to

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be a Trumpian shill and he was going to

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sandbag the Fed uh to demanding, you

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know, we cut rates in some ludicrous way

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and that we would lose Fed independence

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and nobody would really trust the Fed

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anymore. we'd lose that trust in the Fed

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and actually end up having long yields

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go up over the long term, which would be

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bad. That's not what happened here. What

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happened here is we actually got

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somebody who's got an economic brain.

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Yet, he's still somewhat of a shill, but

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he's got a brain. He's got an opinion,

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but his opinion isn't ludicrous. Says,

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"Look, the Fed will respond if there's a

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financial stability concern, but right

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now we just need to focus on getting

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towards neutral." That's probably around

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3%. So we, you know, we slowly get our

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way down there, but do we really need to

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go massively below that? No.

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Unfortunately, I think that's not what

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markets really wanted to hear. Now, I

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don't think that necessarily means, you

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know, the Q's aren't going to go over

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600. I don't actually think this is like

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mega bearish. I'm actually short-term

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quite bullish because there are really

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no catalysts between now and the

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beginning of October. Uh, in fact, one

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of the calls that we just recently made

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in the course member stream was that

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Palunteer would go back over 180 pretty

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rapidly. And, uh, in the last two days,

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Palunteer has literally gone up like

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$15. Uh, you could see that right here.

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We yesterday uh, not just this morning,

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but also yesterday morning and

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previously, I said, we are going back to

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180. And just in the last two days,

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since the alpha report I even posted

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yesterday, we were at 169. We're up 1314

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dollars and both days you could look at

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this fact I flagged Palanteer is going

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up and hood is going up and interest

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rate sensitives as going down because

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the 10ear is going back to 415

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you got to be part of this pre you

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remember every day before the market

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opens I give you the trading perspective

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of here's where I think the momentum is

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going to be today and you get that in

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the alpha report every single day that

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the market is open uh it also gives us

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plans And so, you know, for Fed day or

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afterwards or whatever, cuz sets you up

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for trading on the 10th. Uh, get that

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over at meetcaven.com. But anyway, uh,

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Okay. So, so what what do we make of

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this? Well, the bottom line of this is

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we're probably going to see some

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sustainment of yields at slightly higher

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levels off of their lows uh for a little

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while longer. I think 415 to 420 is

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probably the range we'll sit in until we

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get some kind of devastating jobs data.

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remember ADP on the first and jobs data

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on the third. Now, if we actually go

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look at world interest rate

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probabilities and I want to see if there

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are any surveys out yet on jobs data.

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Usually the surveys out on jobs data,

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they come out about a week in advance,

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but sometimes we get lucky and they

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start coming out earlier. Yeah. Oh, wow.

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So, the uh uh non-farm payrolls estimate

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currently is 25,000.

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That's really low. And the ADP estimate

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is not out yet. But 25,000 on the jobs

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report, that's that's low. You know, if

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if that comes in negative, it's going to

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suck.

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Uh the last read was 22,000. You know,

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now uh and we obviously have to wait. Oh

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yeah, there there are only a few

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estimates right now. So we got to wait

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for like, you know, dozens of more

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economists to come out with their

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estimates. But anyway, if you now go

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look at the world interest rate

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probability sheet, we are pricing in a

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91.9% chance of a 25 basis point cut on

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October 29th. And we're pricing in uh a

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what do we got here? 1.8.

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So about another 80% chance thereafter

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after we get that 25. Another 80% chance

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that we'll get a second cut December

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10th. But that's it. We'll get two more

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25s and and and that'll be the end of

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it. But Moran, unfortunately, he doesn't

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I mean, he doesn't change anything for

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this year, but what he does do is

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basically say we're probably not going

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to go much lower than 3%

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next year. And so he does soften that a

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little bit. Uh, and I think that's a

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little bit disappointing for some.

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People were really hoping and

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anticipating for more aggression

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uh to the downside on rates. But

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overall, I have to say for a Fed

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stability like independence point of

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view, this was a great interview by

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and uh or Myerin, however you want

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to say it. And uh and some people just

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say Uh but um it gives us a

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little bit of perspective. Bottom line,

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I I think you know, oh, he also talked a

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little bit about the inelasticity of

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tariffs. I thought this was a little bit

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more complicated, but a worthwhile

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argument to consider. He says the

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country that benefits from tariffs is

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the one that is more elastic and the one

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that loses is the one that is more

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inelastic. Basically, it's a way of

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saying if you're an American, you have a

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lot of choice in products and services.

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So therefore, tariffs are going to hit

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you less. Whereas if you're a

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manufacturer in China, you have fewer

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choices to, you know, sell your wares

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to. You're kind of like only hoping to

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sell to America, uh, in in, you know,

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some specific examples. And therefore,

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the Chinese end up eating the tariffs.

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That's his argument. It's interesting

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argument.

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So again, it's an argument we haven't

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heard of before and that's what he uses

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to say that, hey, we're not really

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seeing a big move in core goods

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inflation. This is debatable. You know,

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two CPI reports we were looking and we

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saw core goods inflation moving up at an

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annualized rate of like 5.9%. We always

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have to be careful about multiplying

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those monthly reads by 12 though

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because, you know, one month doesn't

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make a trend as we say. Uh so there is

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some evidence to dispute uh what uh he's

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saying but um you know broadly are we

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seeing a you know a ridiculous explosion

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inflation? No. Is it possible though

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that we would have had deflation or more

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disinflation? Yes. That's my argument.

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You know if inflation right now is 2.5%

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I think we would have probably been

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closer to 1% if it weren't for all these

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tariffs. So that would then give the Fed

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more latitude to cut more rapidly. See,

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the problem right now is the the Fed

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can't cut more rapidly because if

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inflation's at 2 and a half% and people

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hear the Fed is cutting like crazy, well

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then you unleash potential inflation

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psychology which then entrenches the

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very inflation you're trying to prevent.

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So, uh you know, unfortunately it does

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put the Fed between a a tough spot, but

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u this idea that that uh my was going to

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be a shill for for the lowest rates

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possible is dead in the water. Tell us

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about this.

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>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and

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see how it goes. Congratulations, man.

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You have done so much. People love you.

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People look up to you.

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>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst

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and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great

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to get your take.

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