Trump's Shill "Miran" at Fed SHOCKS with U-Turn.
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I think that Kevin's a brilliant guy and
I think that we'd we'd we'd all be very
lucky to have him.
>> Stephen, where do you stand on
>> Wow. Well, Stephen Moran just gave an
interview that flipped a lot of my
expectations for who Morad was and what
he stood for at the Federal Reserve. And
I actually think what he said is leading
to some sudden bleeding in the stock
market and yields rising even higher on
the day since we started recovering on
yields and now they're going back up
again after this Moran interview. In
this we are going to break down exactly
what just said. Keep in mind the
anticipation of yields going to 415 is
exactly what we forecast in our alpha
report and we talked about it on Fed day
if the Fed was neutral. just added
fuel to this fire and yields which were
about 4% on Fed day are now at 4 point
roughly 4.14
very close to exactly where we thought
we were going to go. Now, we got to
break down what said, but I want
to mention something that I think is
really cool. If you were a member of the
Alpha Report, you saw me yesterday
morning say that Tesla was trading in no
man's land and too high and it was
likely to trade down, traded straight
down to 414. And if you were looking for
an easy trade this morning, this morning
I said we're bouncing off 414. We could
get some upside on Tesla today. and you
would have been able to pick up nearly
$15
on that trade. Now, some of this
talk and some bleed here recently, but
it's still up from that line. And if
you're not part of it yet, join that
alpha report over at meetke.com. Yeah,
Koopa Coat Daddy's back, baby. Okay.
Anyway, all right. So, let's talk about
what did Mulan say. first of all,
this guy's a lot more intelligent than I
originally gave him credit for. I
thought that this was going to be, you
know, your classic kind of shill that
just ends up showing up at the Fed and
shilling Donald Trump's uh uh, you know,
gut rates down. I thought he was going
to blow up the SCP, the summary of
economic projections, and I thought he
was going to blow up the dot plot. And
he really didn't do that. I have to give
him credit for that. You know me, my
goal is to be hated by everyone, so I
love dunking on politicians. I hate
politicians. And what I found I was
actually really impressed with. And it
it goes to say, this is sort of a leadin
to what Moran just said, but it goes to
tell us that this guy's not actually
trying to ruin the institution of the
Fed. Yeah, he was the low dot over here.
He just admitted as much, but over here,
he fits really well into the rest of the
dots. It's not like he's demanding zero
rates and he's showing for like mega
rate cuts. He also didn't give us any
kind of huge outliers in the range over
here. See, I even wrote no sandbag
other than descent for 50. I thought
this was really like respectful, but
what he just said in the interview on
CNBC was incredible. Not only uh did we
hear something that I thought that I was
personally very impressed with. I think
that Kevin's a a brilliant guy and I
think that we'd we'd we we'd all be very
lucky to have him.
>> Stephen, where do you stand on?
>> We ended up hearing his insights on how
low rates should go. First, he said
this, which turned markets towards the
downside. We are not too far from
neutral. This was a disappointment. A
lot of people are hoping that the
Federal Reserve is going to be there to
bail us out. The Federal Reserve is
going to cut rates and sustain the
euphoric end to the Nike swoosh
recovery. We've been talking Nike swoosh
since 2022. And we always said it would
end in absolute euphoria. Now, we can't
really know when that peak is until,
well, frankly, hindsight. You know, in
10 years, we'll be able to look back and
go, "Dad, bro, look at that Nike
swoosh." Right? And the Nike swoosh was
gorgeous. We called it for years that
it's time to buy the Nike swoosh. I
bought Nvidia over here at the bottom of
the Nike swoosh right here, September of
2022. It's literally the bottom of the
Nike swoosh. And I still hold the damn
shares right now. Over 13,000 of them.
That's an alert I sent out to course
members when I bought it. You know,
people who bought the course back then,
they're still getting Alpha Reports
today. And when I turn around and sell
Nvidia, you'll be the first to know in
the the course member lesson. But
anyway, the the euphoric portion is that
the the hope is that the Federal Reserve
will keep this pushing and moving for a
while. Moran took a little bit of that
enthusiasm away by saying we're not too
far from neutral and that growth will be
better in the second half. He's actually
saying, "Yeah, everybody thinks I'm
going to be a shill for just cutting
rates, but I actually think we only need
50 and maybe another 25 or so there, but
that's it. growth is going to come back.
We're not too far from neutral. The risk
is that the longer we stay restrictive,
the greater the risk is to the labor
market. So, he's basically saying, look,
if 3% is where we want rates to be,
let's get down to 3% as soon as possible
and then let's get let's let's be happy
there. So get down to 3% and unless
there's a financial stability concern,
we don't need to cut more. That's the
argument that he's making. This idea
that hey, we don't need to necessarily
cut to zero because we think growth is
going to come back. We actually think
that uh tariffs aren't hurting the
economy and that yeah prices can change
a little bit, but it's not that big of a
deal because if you think about
inflation, prices change quote all of
the time. But they're not macro
significant enough to affect monetary
policy. In other words, who cares? You
get some tariff inflation, prices change
a little bit. Big deal. But don't be so
restrictive that you're hurting the
labor market. I have to say, I was
really impressed with Mr. I really,
really thought that he was just going to
be a Trumpian shill and he was going to
sandbag the Fed uh to demanding, you
know, we cut rates in some ludicrous way
and that we would lose Fed independence
and nobody would really trust the Fed
anymore. we'd lose that trust in the Fed
and actually end up having long yields
go up over the long term, which would be
bad. That's not what happened here. What
happened here is we actually got
somebody who's got an economic brain.
Yet, he's still somewhat of a shill, but
he's got a brain. He's got an opinion,
but his opinion isn't ludicrous. Says,
"Look, the Fed will respond if there's a
financial stability concern, but right
now we just need to focus on getting
towards neutral." That's probably around
3%. So we, you know, we slowly get our
way down there, but do we really need to
go massively below that? No.
Unfortunately, I think that's not what
markets really wanted to hear. Now, I
don't think that necessarily means, you
know, the Q's aren't going to go over
600. I don't actually think this is like
mega bearish. I'm actually short-term
quite bullish because there are really
no catalysts between now and the
beginning of October. Uh, in fact, one
of the calls that we just recently made
in the course member stream was that
Palunteer would go back over 180 pretty
rapidly. And, uh, in the last two days,
Palunteer has literally gone up like
$15. Uh, you could see that right here.
We yesterday uh, not just this morning,
but also yesterday morning and
previously, I said, we are going back to
180. And just in the last two days,
since the alpha report I even posted
yesterday, we were at 169. We're up 1314
dollars and both days you could look at
this fact I flagged Palanteer is going
up and hood is going up and interest
rate sensitives as going down because
the 10ear is going back to 415
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Okay. So, so what what do we make of
this? Well, the bottom line of this is
we're probably going to see some
sustainment of yields at slightly higher
levels off of their lows uh for a little
while longer. I think 415 to 420 is
probably the range we'll sit in until we
get some kind of devastating jobs data.
remember ADP on the first and jobs data
on the third. Now, if we actually go
look at world interest rate
probabilities and I want to see if there
are any surveys out yet on jobs data.
Usually the surveys out on jobs data,
they come out about a week in advance,
but sometimes we get lucky and they
start coming out earlier. Yeah. Oh, wow.
So, the uh uh non-farm payrolls estimate
currently is 25,000.
That's really low. And the ADP estimate
is not out yet. But 25,000 on the jobs
report, that's that's low. You know, if
if that comes in negative, it's going to
suck.
Uh the last read was 22,000. You know,
now uh and we obviously have to wait. Oh
yeah, there there are only a few
estimates right now. So we got to wait
for like, you know, dozens of more
economists to come out with their
estimates. But anyway, if you now go
look at the world interest rate
probability sheet, we are pricing in a
91.9% chance of a 25 basis point cut on
October 29th. And we're pricing in uh a
what do we got here? 1.8.
So about another 80% chance thereafter
after we get that 25. Another 80% chance
that we'll get a second cut December
10th. But that's it. We'll get two more
25s and and and that'll be the end of
it. But Moran, unfortunately, he doesn't
I mean, he doesn't change anything for
this year, but what he does do is
basically say we're probably not going
to go much lower than 3%
next year. And so he does soften that a
little bit. Uh, and I think that's a
little bit disappointing for some.
People were really hoping and
anticipating for more aggression
uh to the downside on rates. But
overall, I have to say for a Fed
stability like independence point of
view, this was a great interview by
and uh or Myerin, however you want
to say it. And uh and some people just
say Uh but um it gives us a
little bit of perspective. Bottom line,
I I think you know, oh, he also talked a
little bit about the inelasticity of
tariffs. I thought this was a little bit
more complicated, but a worthwhile
argument to consider. He says the
country that benefits from tariffs is
the one that is more elastic and the one
that loses is the one that is more
inelastic. Basically, it's a way of
saying if you're an American, you have a
lot of choice in products and services.
So therefore, tariffs are going to hit
you less. Whereas if you're a
manufacturer in China, you have fewer
choices to, you know, sell your wares
to. You're kind of like only hoping to
sell to America, uh, in in, you know,
some specific examples. And therefore,
the Chinese end up eating the tariffs.
That's his argument. It's interesting
argument.
So again, it's an argument we haven't
heard of before and that's what he uses
to say that, hey, we're not really
seeing a big move in core goods
inflation. This is debatable. You know,
two CPI reports we were looking and we
saw core goods inflation moving up at an
annualized rate of like 5.9%. We always
have to be careful about multiplying
those monthly reads by 12 though
because, you know, one month doesn't
make a trend as we say. Uh so there is
some evidence to dispute uh what uh he's
saying but um you know broadly are we
seeing a you know a ridiculous explosion
inflation? No. Is it possible though
that we would have had deflation or more
disinflation? Yes. That's my argument.
You know if inflation right now is 2.5%
I think we would have probably been
closer to 1% if it weren't for all these
tariffs. So that would then give the Fed
more latitude to cut more rapidly. See,
the problem right now is the the Fed
can't cut more rapidly because if
inflation's at 2 and a half% and people
hear the Fed is cutting like crazy, well
then you unleash potential inflation
psychology which then entrenches the
very inflation you're trying to prevent.
So, uh you know, unfortunately it does
put the Fed between a a tough spot, but
u this idea that that uh my was going to
be a shill for for the lowest rates
possible is dead in the water. Tell us
about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes. Congratulations, man.
You have done so much. People love you.
People look up to you.
>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great
to get your take.
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