I'm Very Concerned about Tesla Stock.
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I hate to say it but I'm concerned about
Tesla very concerned I'm going to give
you my thoughts in this video and uh
just because I'm coming across as a
dirty ugly nasty gross bare
flip-flopper I'll go ahead and put it
on all right folks I'm concerned and I'm
going to go through these concerns one
by one let's start first first I'm
concerned that uh Elon musk's Q2 push to
generate an incredible quarter 2 to
maximize his stock comp artificially
reduced interest rates at Tesla and
pulled substantial Tesla demand forward
this will make it harder for us to prove
to Wall Street that we justify the
valuation that we have today there's
much more to this we're going to hit
Robo taxi we're going to hit Optimus
we're going to hit energy we're going to
hit a lot of research here so buckle
up 99% in May
in my opinion probably pushed anyone on
the edge of wanting to buy a Tesla into
to buying a Tesla the problem is now
we're finding that 50% of buyers who
have owned a Tesla and then end up
selling that Tesla this is uh research
via Edmonds end up going back to
purchasing an ice vehicle this is a
little bit problematic because that
aligns with research that suggests the
first phase of Enthusiast electric
vehicle buyers are very different from
the next phase of electric vehicle
buyers you have sort of the first 10 to
15% of electric vehicle buyers who say
yes I want to own an EV it's sustainable
it's fast it's wonderful the control is
better the traction is better everything
about it is cleaner the maintenance is
better I love it I am one of those
people but the problem is the other 85%
of Americans have mostly unfounded
concerns but they have concerns whether
it's range anxiety
fires Elon Musk whatever it might be and
that makes the next phase of
unfortunately Eevee adoption harder but
it's also resale value a lot of people
look at buying let's say a Toyota or a
hybrid or another vehicle and they look
at resale values and they see hm used
vehicles dropped on average 6%
year-over-year
for typical ice Vehicles it's actually
6.8% I thought it'd be funny if it was 6
9 but it wasn't it was 6.8%
unfortunately electric vehicles in the
last 2 years are down 39% in the last
year they're down 21% which is roughly
three times the depreciation of
non-electric vehicles that makes it
really hard to sell new electric
vehicles when people are basically
buying into a sinking
ship that's not good you want to sell a
product that seems like it would at
least hold up its resale value like FSD
should hold up its resale value but it
probably doesn't and frankly they should
in my opinion I've made this clear many
times already they should really be
plummeting the price of full
self-driving to really motivate growth
because Wall Street will reward growth
even if margins are slightly lower we
want the network effects of more Tesla
which then drives people to more energy
which in the future drives people to
more Optimus which in the future drives
people to more Tesla Robo taxi through
the Tesla app you want the network
effects you want more people in Tesla
you want expanding factories so get
people to buy Teslas but
unfortunately you know that's not what
Tesla's doing at the moment instead
we've positioned at Tesla for f quite
frankly low growth fired a substantial
amount of service and sales reps limited
the expansion uh for our existing
capacity at Giga Texas or elsewhere this
is obviously for vehicles because
frankly our growth rate is petering now
let's understand this before we talk
valuation and growth rates and pegs yes
Shanghai shipments are doing very well
they're up 15% year-over-year and so
it's not all bad news it's worth noting
as well that lithium prices are
plummeting even though commodity prices
have started recently Rising we contined
to see lithium prices fall and this is a
really good thing because even though
commodity prices are up about 3 or 4% we
haven't actually seen a bottom yet in
lithium prices and this really helps us
with margin as we can manufacture those
batteries less expensively or quite
frankly just buy them from catl less
expensively depending on which batteries
we're talking cybertruck 4680 is or the
LiPO batteries but before we hit more
good we got to understand where we sit
in terms of valuation and positioning
right now Wall Street consensus
estimates for 2025 forward growth for
the next 4 years on Revenue average
18.9% that's actually surprisingly low
considering the enthusiasm for Tesla
energy so I thought to myself man Tesla
energy is blowing up why is revenue
guide only
18.9% for consensus and then I looked at
EPS guide earnings per share that's
bottom line and that guide is
33.8% which is substantially better it's
like 50% better than Topline Revenue
guide and so I thought why is revenue
growing at 18.9 and earnings per share
expected to grow by 50% more
33.8% well it's because Wall Street is
already pricing in energy growth because
frankly Wall Street is looking at the
vehicle business as one that's petered
out in terms of growth and yes that
spectacular mega pack and home battery
high margin energy business is growing
but that's the only thing actually
contributing to the EPS valuation that's
all already being priced into Wall
Street consensus estimates keep in mind
Optimus doesn't really get much in way
of consensus estimates because we don't
really actually expect frankly Optimus
to be commercially viable to the point
where it provides a positive return on
your investment in an Optimus probably
for another 3 or four years or more and
there is a lot of robot competition it's
not like this is you know the only robot
out there with full self-driving kind of
like the Tesla car in 2017 to really now
was
it's frankly that oh oopsy doopsy we
actually have a product that will
probably end up becoming a commodity a
commoditized robot which so you know I'm
not very optimistic about at least today
pricing an Optimus unless I could see
that we're way ahead of the competition
with Optimus do keep in mind I do
believe that Tesla has phenomenal
manufacturing progress but you know so
do other countries okay China not to
mentioning names or even Taiwan okay
there's a lot of competition for this
but consider this at today's price let's
just go ahead and take roughly
$210 uh and go ahead and divide that by
the earnings per share we're expecting
of $232 for the year end we're sitting
at about a 90.5 PE ratio that's really
high that's a
2.67 Peg going forward four years and I
personally think for a manufacturing
company we should be closer to
1.67 keep in mind Tesla doesn't just
design the vehicles they also Manu
facture the vehicles this is different
than Nvidia or a software company a
software company or a designer of chips
could justify a higher PEG ratio because
they don't have the burdens of
manufacturing especially in a recession
manufacturing is extremely Capital
intensive which means I don't really
love it but that's why I give it a 1.67
peg which if we sat at a 167 Peg today
unfortunately a 167 Peg today is only
going to give us a valuation of this
sounds terrible $131 right now which
unfortunately means we have a downside
of somewhere around 79 bucks at today's
valuations if we wanted to align with
that Peg now then if we go forward and
say but Kevin let's go ahead and use
next year's earnings per share because
maybe this year's EPS is bad or whatever
we want to say okay so then let's go
with next year's consensus and go with
$316
at a 1.67 peg at
$316 unfortunately we're still a stock
that is worth less than
$180 which represents still a 14%
downside not as bad as the 37% downside
I just talked about but still a downside
making the risk reward for investing in
Tesla right now at these levels
relatively low for me now I know this is
where then people say but Kevin you said
buy at low volatility at the beginning
of June and this is is true this is
exactly what I did the research that I
found said that historically when
Tesla's volatility has fallen to the low
it did which was under a historic V of
17 on the 10day Tesla tends to move up
1.49% per day for the next 45 days what
actually happened was Tesla Rose 47%
from my pitch of low volatility to both
course members and people on the channel
you can go back and watch it the video
is still there and we rose that level in
32 days before before we peaked out
thanks to Elon delaying the 88 event
which represented our Peak that meant we
actually got a
1.47% return per calendar day
unfortunately then I suggested since we
were delaying the 88 event and we were
going to be closer to having to price in
Q3 and Q4 pain which are the quarters
that unfortunately we're going to have
to deal with higher capex uh since we
had low capex in Q2 and potentially not
great growth rates on well
sales and a potentially negative
year-over-year deliveries count which is
the current consensus estimate and even
Troy Tesla like thinks we're sitting
around that level as well I'm not very
enthused about Q3 Q4 especially since if
you add to that valuation pressure the
capex increase the deliveries challenges
you add in election risk and you add in
Federal Reserve risk a 25 basis point
cut just isn't going to do much for
Tesla because they're already
advertising lower rates you're not going
to get more demand when Tesla or when um
the Federal Reserve Cuts rates 25 or 50
basis points you're going to get maybe
slightly higher margins for Tesla but
that doesn't create more sales and we
need to network effects of sales here so
it's not a surprise to me that you have
companies like Morgan Stanley cutting
Tesla now due to a quote continued
slowdown in the Auto industry intense
competition amongst electric vehicle
manufacturers and reduced consumer
preferences for electric vehicles and
this is where I'd like to just bring up
that I'm kind of concerned that Tesla
keeps trying to dangle this carrot in
front of our face that says hey but
don't worry we'll be able to license
full self-driving to other companies
honestly the fact that the Cyber truck
has been out for many months now and the
cyberu Cyber truck still does not have
full self-driving to me indicates that
no full self driving is not portable to
different types of vehicles
and that makes me very very sad now yes
maybe the Cyber truck is just a niche
product and so they're not prioritizing
it which also makes me sad because I
really want to love the cybertruck but
let's just be real if we can't even get
FSD for the Cyber truck what makes any
of us believe that we're actually going
to get full self-driving for some other
company be it a Ford or a GM or
otherwise especially when you have
people like Jim Farley saying hey whoa
whoa hey you know we can make a lot of
money in software so why don't we do our
own software yeah that's where the money
is okay so now the
more advances occur in artificial
intelligence-based chips like a
Blackwell when that eventually comes out
for NVIDIA I'm not too optimistic about
earnings but that's really a topic for a
different video when that eventually
comes out it becomes easier for people
to come up with their own artificial
intelligence technology maybe using the
Nvidia Orin Drive platform people can
basically make their own full
self-driving what you've really done is
you've narrowed Tesla's moat from maybe
a 5-year moat to a 2-year moat and
honestly the better chip technology gets
the more that moat compresses and
compresses and compresses so in the face
of valuation this High valuation going
into Q3 Q4 going into election and
recession fears I am more concerned for
Tesla than I ever have been before it's
also worth noting that I have previously
said that I thought that Tesla would be
recession resilient and I believe that
it would have been 2022 recession
resilient which is when you have white
collar workers who still have their jobs
and they're not losing their jobs and
they're not going BK because well
they're losing their jobs uh I think
people in 2022 would have had plenty of
excess cash and the white collar workers
would have had their jobs they would
have been able to continue to buy Teslas
and instead they would have been able to
do so in a recession at super low
interest rates and so you would have
driven up demand I was pretty optimistic
about that form of recession resilience
unfortunately this type of recession
that we might be facing is a lot nastier
the recession that we might be facing
right now is a recession that says oh no
what happens when all of a sudden white
collar workers are the ones losing their
jobs and they can't afford Teslas
anymore and then all of a sudden at the
same time you get consumer preferences
that change and you get an Elon that's a
little bit more Pro right leaning who
wants an ice vehicle and less left
leaning who wants an EV well now you're
aligning to the wrong demographic at the
same time as potentially the New York
Times and I know they lean left but just
put out a hit piece again on X
suggesting that advertising revenues are
down 86% and we might be facing elon's
selling pressure soon remember Elon
promised at the end of 2022 that he
wouldn't sell in 2023 and that he might
not sell in 2024 if things go well at X
well now it looks like advertising
hasn't recovered and instead X has
resorted to suing past advertisers for
boycotting X and I mean I hate to say it
but I pay for x premium th000 bucks a
month I it doesn't give me anything more
than a little Vandy yellow little check
mark nobody really cares about that
anyway it does just not like it makes
lick of a difference to what we're doing
but it's sort of my way of just saying
like hey I'm here to support you Elon
okay I love you man but uh like you know
when we ran ads at least what my team's
telling me the conversion wasn't as good
as what you could get on like a Google
or Facebook and I mean we rarely run ads
so you know consider it just an anecdote
take it for what it's worth you know but
uh these are just just things that are
at the top of my head these are just
things I'm thinking of uh so you know I
I personally am a fan of looking at the
1010 event as
really probably as well by the rumor
selda news we've seen those plenty of
times before and on top of that it's
worth KN that remember my biggest risk
for robotaxi is with Robo taxi you need
people to have to open up an app and say
I want the fastest ride available well
starting now in Phoenix you can actually
book your next Uber with wh because
they've partnered and UMO Uber I think
is now partnering with uh GM Cruz as
well which don't get me wrong I think
Tesla's way ahead of Cruz but I think wh
I mean they're on the streets driver
list so at bare minimum even though if
they're gofen they are a step further
than Tesla in that sense uh because we
still need a driver for those Edge case
scenarios but let's just sa for a moment
that we do have driverless Teslas we
need people to pull up an app be it the
Tesla or Uber or whatever and the Tesla
has to show up a Tesla has to show up if
a Tesla doesn't show up Tesla doesn't
win the way a Tesla shows up is you have
to have enough Teslas on the road or
they have to be integrated into an app
that people are used to like an Uber
oryt getting people to go to the Tesla
app and download another app make
another account is a barrier it's a
friction a pain of paying issue and then
if you open up the app and then all of a
sudden it's like oh okay you're going to
have to wait 20 minutes for a Tesla or
you can wait 2 minutes for a a regular
Uber yes enthusiasts will wait the 20
minutes because people love Tesla and
that's what enthusiasts do I would wait
for the Tesla but the vast majority of
normal people they just won't they're
just going to say you know what no
thanks I'll take the fastest vehicle so
that makes me also less enthused once
again about Tesla robotaxi and I'm not
trying to sound like a bear I'm just
trying to look at realistic limitations
that we have on a potential widespread
Robo taxi Advance weo by the way is now
starting to do rides in Santa Monica
again I understand Geo fenced it's not
as robust or potentially functional as
Tesla uh in in Dynamic scenarios you
still have people uh sitting and
intervening remotely into these vehicles
I get it but you're going to need that
probably with Tesla as well and don't
get me wrong the latest versions of FSD
they're great I love them and I'm a big
fan of FSD I just think we should drop
the price of FSD get more people buying
Teslas include some of these features
standard and let's expand the network
effects of Tesla you need ubiquity you
want everybody using Tesla and loving
Tesla this probably comes with a balance
of some more neutral political
commentary as
well but we'll put that aside for right
now so let's just be clear in 2022 Elon
Musk dumped between 25 to $40 billion of
Tesla stock and it really really hurt to
fund X that may happen again especially
with the pain that we're seeing over at
X now yes energy is a win is a win for
Tesla the energy division but
unfortunately I think the energy
business is already being priced in on
top of that if you haven't yet seen it
we had yet another VP leave Tesla this
is a person who's been with Tesla since
2013 and she just quit which is a little
surprising to me that somebody who's
been there for 11 years as a VP of
finance and business operator
just quit not ideal for Tesla I don't
like to see executive staff leaving
especially as we go into Q3 Q4 so for
those reasons unfortunately I cannot be
in Tesla at the moment would I consider
buying Tesla right before the election
or going into uh q1 of next year like
maybe at the end of January or right
before the election if there's a big
sale absolutely I love the company
longterm I love where the company is in
terms of positioning I do think there
are some execution issues that could be
cleaned up I'm not optimistic on the
robotaxi event and I do think our Tesla
mode on FSD is shrinking and that's why
I think we need to get as many people as
possible into Teslas and actually bring
the company back to vehicle growth and
energy growth because remember vehicle
growth will also contribute to energy
growth and that way you can get the
flywheels of both businesses moving yes
in the short term could reducing FSD to
let's say fre or $2,000 or whatever hurt
margins yes but I think it would drive
Tesla back to growth it was it it in my
opinion is one of the best uh driver
assistance Adas platforms that exists
everybody should use it it is
fantastic but I don't think it's being
marketed as uh that and unfortunately
for the failure to expand FSD and to to
attract demand to really promote this
demand at this company versus hurting
demand at the company with uh politics
or hurting the share price of the
company which demoralizes staff by
unfortunately selling it to fund X which
could happen
again I'm out that's on top of the fact
that the valuation is very high right
now in 90p and over 2.67 Peg it's too
high right now I think the downside is
at least 14 to 38% if not more if we go
into into a recession uh and uh yes
there was a moment where we had some
excellent volatility analysis we were
able to take advantage of but today
volatility is pretty much mid-range so
I'm not as enthusiastic about volatility
now obviously because that volatility
plays over it's happened now instead we
have the bad news of potentially Q3 Q4 a
Fed that walks us into a recession and
an election coming up so I'm not looking
forward to it uh and I feel really sad
because I really like Tesla but it's
just the way way it is anyway thanks so
much for
watching that's all I got I just wish
you the best out there goodbye good luck
and uh i' with the exception of like one
retirement account I have reduced my
exposure to Tesla to like zero uh and
I'm not sure I just have very very
little exposure to Tesla right now
advertise these things that you told us
here I feel like nobody else knows about
this we'll we'll try a little
advertising and see how it goes
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