Take Me to the Pilot • EP101 | Drama Queens

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week with the rest of the bottle in the

champ so this is the recap of episode

one the pilot air date September 23rd

2003 o day I didn't realize like jersey

number 23 and then we

air

2003

what like Illuminati did they do that on

purpose they must have done that on

purpose maybe I don't think so I think

that was Michael Jordan's number yeah oh

23 was Michael Jordan W so the synopsis

is here we go Nathan Scott is Tree Hill

High's biggest basketball star and he's

dating Payton a cheerleader e and so

much more Nathan's half brother Lucas

joins the team and threatens to take

both Nathan's spot in the lineup and his

girl as

if you're like I was Nobody's Girl I

belong myself I was my own so grumpy I

have to perhaps start in an

unconventional place but we've all just

watched the pilot for the first time

since 2003 and oh my my God Craig

Sheffer is so hot I told you you I knew

I could spot it from a mile away I was

like M I was in love with him I was late

on the pickup with that cuz I was like

well he's playing one of the grownups I

was like he's a grownup but you were

like no no ladies you had no time for

the Young Dudes no not at all I had no

time for patience wi you were wise

beyond your years Joy yeah he was like

musly and his jeans were tight like yeah

talk about the denim yes oh God in this

first episode wow this baggy denim the

cuts of jeans on the men yeah flares

also on us I I loved my jeans I don't

know what you guys are talking about

like I've been wearing flares

consistently whether they're cool or not

cool flares are pretty fabulous but it's

more the um the the rise or the lack

thereof that I'm concerned with hug Hip

Huggers they were just I like the were

the zippers 2 and 1/2 in long just above

your pubic hair like just

barely a good

day we blame Britney Spears for this she

really yeah she ruined it for the rest

of us but I also feel like because we

were in Wilmington North Carolina our

shopping options were not what they were

in New York or Los Angeles so we were

dealing with like being six months

behind any cool kid curve but I have to

say there's a part of that that worked

to our advantage because most people

don't have access to like the you know

it's I mean that's if you live in the

city and that's a priority for you and

that's fun and it's a great way to

express yourself but there are a lot of

people who just that's not a priority

and so I think there's a relatability in

that as well we looked we looked like

regular kids at the time OC had come on

the air right over the summer and had

blown up and it was all about rich kids

and so that was our competition but that

was a fantasy element you know that's

why they were so fancy yeah yeah we were

Gap Old Navy Mall kids we were Mall kids

yeah God bless that hot topic that

though so it's so relatable I think

that's one of the major things that that

the fact that we

were relatable in that way that kept the

show on the air for so long that we

weren't just the fantasy element of oh

murder and Intrigue and you know the

parents all sleeping with each other and

I mean that didn't happen on our show

until at least like season five

when Barber start rolling around with

Chef I remember that

being anine oh my God no there's so many

things that I never noticed about the

show until we just rewatched it like The

Grooming The Grooming The Grooming

between Paul and James they have the

same hair yep and then Chad and Chef

like the same same hair yeah same

haircut guys when we when we refer to

Chef we're talking about Craig Sheffer

who played Uncle Keith and yeah like

there there's a we just watched the

scene where they're in Keith's body shop

and Keith and Lucas have the same hair

and we just never knew never never

clocked it never clocked speaking of

Hair Joy and I have very joy and I would

look like sisters if we were groomed

when I showed up in Wilmington I had

curly blonde hair and they took one look

at me they're like yeah that's not going

to work no so what like how quickly did

they make that decision oh it was like

within I'm sure they had made the

decision probably before I showed up I

mean when I tested I was blonde

um and then they just probably figured

out they just died as soon as I got

there which they did but did they you

that though uh I had a feeling with I

mean I'd seen the pilot I knew we they

wouldn't let us look exactly like and I

was game for it in fact actually I was

super excited about playing this

character and I thought like maybe I'll

get bobby pins and stick them in my hair

so that my ears will stick out so I'll

look like I just wanted to add this

element of like awkwardness to her um I

thank God I didn't do that because can

you imagine like years yeah n years

bobby pin the ear Tu episode would have

had to happen I can't do this anymore

yeah you're like I have a headache all

the time yeah but the hair was a was a

deal because um I didn't straighten it a

lot and back then there were less um

tools tools and advances and knowing how

to handle curly hair and make it

straight in the south in the humidity

and so I ended up with this very flat

top wide bottomed hair that was a kind

of a strange color but it's all right

you know but your hair I feel like I

mean we'll see as the episodes go on I

feel like you had like three different

hair colors season one cuz they kept

dying it and dying it and dying it yeah

and it was like an evolution of hair and

I was trying to like it was also weird

like CU we didn't all want to look alike

and I didn't want to like compete with

you cuz you were the blonde one but I

also like was naturally blonde and so it

looked good on my skin tone to lean

lighter in that way and then we like

then there was a time when we totally

you went really platinum and then I went

blonde yeah but I I mean I was I wish I

had just stayed the same color honestly

like you were red for a

minute oh God I dyed my hair every color

in the book you were black at one point

too like dark hair well I had dyed my

hair black in the summer between Seasons

two and three oh cuz you're doing the

whole movie I dyed my hair black and I

cut bangs and I remember even even

lightening it when I came back it was so

much darker than it had been and and our

boss Who Shall Not Be Named lost his

marbles that had cut bangs cuz he was

like all the cheerleaders never pay me

the time of day in high school all had

bangs and they were [ __ ] and it was

bangs equals [ __ ] bangs equals

[ __ ] but it was like it was that

funny moment because we you know we were

just talking watching the pilot about

how our hair was kind of this battle

well but not to bring back Felicity but

because of that yeah yeah when she cut

off all her hair they went crazy kids at

home might not know about that okay so

there's you know there's a great show

called Felicity if you haven't gone back

and watched it you really should Russell

is an icon just a dynamite actress um

but she had this B you know big

beautiful long curly blonde hair uh

blondish brown hair and um she she went

away one season and cut it off and you

know Michelle Williams did the same

thing actually in Dawson she just

chopped it all off but it wasn't her

hair wasn't an i its own yeah I mean

Carrie's hair was like it was an image

that was instantly recognizable nobody

else on TV had hair like this um so when

she chopped it all off without letting

anybody know everybody kind of went

crazy and the show's ratings actually

dropped and they they connected it to

her hair being cut off which is

ridiculous it was like in his Fifth

Season yeah yeah but we know for

whatever reason the ratings dropped and

it happened to be the same time heaven

forbid the writers admit they'd gotten

mzy they'll just blame the actress in

her hair that's right so uh yeah so then

from that point forward everybody was

trying to do Recon and put into every

actress's there was like a a hair clause

in the contract something right like

vice president at a network that's just

in charge of actress's hair like the

boys can do whatever the hell they want

to do but it was a massive battle about

hair every

episode curls flyaways like you can't do

anything and it had to be down down sexy

down approvals take the Polaroids send

it off to La make sure they approve this

hairstyle yeah it was so crazy and and

Hillary you pointed out so wisely that

you know watching the pilot you'd been

fighting to get Pony P tales for the

girls at cheer practice so now looking

back at it the stuff that I was fighting

about right out of the gates like the

audacity of a 20-year-old kid to be like

hi um you're

wrong I feel like I can go onto a set

today and assert myself but the idea

that I was doing that as a child I'm

mortified and about hair like nobody had

taught us how to pick and choose our

battles like which ones do you fight for

but also the irony is that at 20 you had

been a cheerleader 2 years before so you

were like no cheerleaders are athletes I

didn't want like stuns cheerleaders to

make fun of us like God forbid the real

cheerleaders out there be like a these

fake TV

cheerleaders so I was adamant that like

there was accuracy okay well well this

is a good segue because get getting away

from hair cuz you know we can only talk

about that for so but like speak

speaking of hair and being speaking of

being a cheerleader there you know Lucas

asked Payton a great question the pilot

he says why are you a cheerleader you're

the least cheery person I know and I did

always kind of wonder why pton was a

cheerleader what do you think I think

that's why we needed Brooke MH you know

what I mean like I remember having like

an internal struggle my real senior year

in high school where I didn't like what

cheerleading stood for like I didn't

like being in the passive role of

cheering on someone

else but all my best friends did it you

know and it was like a way for us to

hang out after school go on trips

together you know it was a a thing that

connected us and I could make fun of it

because I was one of them you can't make

fun of a cheerleader when you're not a

cheerleader and not sound like a total

[ __ ] I mean I guess other people do

but you should know you're an assle so

so it made a lot of sense for me for

Brooke to be introduced because she was

the anchor for pton it was like if my

mom's dead and I'm a nightmare and the

one person in my life I can rely on does

this dumb thing yeah I guess I'll do

this dumb thing too but when we shot the

pilot you weren't there yet yeah and so

I had to go over to a high school in

Wilmington and you know I'm like a

20-year-old VJ you know and it's like

all these real 15 and 16 year olds and

they're like okay so just hang out with

these girls after school and so part of

me felt like a predator I was like doing

hanging out with these children you know

um but like in the pilot that was a High

School cheerleading squad that was local

to the area I'd love to know what those

girls are doing now like how weird it

must be for them to see their childhood

experience like played out on TV like

bevon grew up in Wilmington yeah she

kind of had a tap on it but yeah was

that anyone's childhood experience

though like what we just saw is that I

mean obviously we know it's heightened

for television but I'm trying to imagine

in my high school that something like

that actually yeah I mean I don't feel

like the the experience I don't think I

mean who knows we did say during the the

the viewing that we were like God we all

thought it was so scandalous that there

was this idea that this guy would have

knocked up two women and would have two

kids and now we're like people have

whole other families we didn't know now

that I know grown-ups I'm like grown-ups

are so messy grown-ups are so messy but

it's funny because at the time we were

like this is so crazy but I also think

there is that real element of when you

are in high school it is your whole

world the stakes feel so high the stakes

are so high because that's that's the

entire scope of your universe and your

experience so I almost feel like the

stakes of the Rivalry and who gets to

play on the sports team it they felt

high they were dramatized because really

you know when you're young you're just

like I I want to fit in and I want to

belong and I want my family to be okay

and I don't know it's pretty real for a

lot of people those Stakes still felt

high for said 20 being on that set not

that far out of high school so I mean

those hormones and those emotions and

the feeling of everything being really

big I mean you were talking about buying

your first car you know well and I had

gone to a really big sports high school

like Parkview High School went to States

and football and we were like machines

and and so we went to States and cheered

and had those big huge moments so for me

I felt like I knew it better than the

adults who were writing about it because

I was like guys I was literally just

here you know like I know what this

looks like um and I think that's why I

was so like bossy about it uh but nobody

was like that good-looking do you know

what I like for me the hard part was the

beauty element of it because I look back

at pictures of real high school and we

should definitely post our real high

school pictures oh yeah oh yeah cuz it

wasn't cute like

the eyebrows those '90s

eyebrows super crunchy hair you know the

year I thought I could have a bob and

learned that that's a real bad haircut

on me my junior year in high school cute

no Junior you're in high school it I'll

I it's a picture so bad I'll show the

two of you I don't know if I was it like

split down the middle yeah and like

chunky highlights yes oh wow and plucked

didn't

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know did you like twist it back with the

butterfly I did that in middle school

for sure good God no dude it all comes

back to hair man no there's such

identity in it it was one of the few

things that we felt like we could

control as the girls cuz we couldn't

control what we said we couldn't control

like what we were wearing necessarily or

what our characters had to do well I

mean that moment for you and the pilot

okay so yeah when we were watching the

pilot there's a scene where pton comes

out of the bathroom after um Nathan and

is like hi Mr Scott and so when we when

I first got the job it was called Ravens

we've talked about this and the arc

throughout everything was narrated by

Barry Corbin by Whitey and he was

describing everything that happened in

the town to his dead wife Camila and

that was which we did who we didn't find

out was dead until the end of the pilot

oh you're totally right that's right but

that was the tone it was like a really

sweet you know like small town a Shucks

kind of show but they were trying to

capitalize on the popularity of 8 Mile

and they wanted it to be like an all

shuck town but with this 8 Mile

underbelly of the kid from the wrong

side of the

tracks never in any of that was there a

sexy element right and so I felt totally

safe just being like

okay yeah I'll go and be the cranky girl

so then when the OC got popular and we

had to turn up the sexy it was like a

bait and switch like I was like do we

get a say like do we get to have an

opinion about it and we didn't we just

had to turn up the sexy which like

thankfully we're all really

sexy in our flat shoes and our like

corduroy skirts oh my God that was hard

that was hard for us as young women who

were all like we were all relatively

like prudish yeah demure in our you know

in our activity and so when we were to

get into that environment and be have to

play this like I don't know older male

idea of what a young teenage high school

girl could be in a dream world or maybe

was maybe fantasy yeah I mean I I don't

know how much of that was that how much

of it was experience of

um girls that maybe they knew that you

know we just weren't like or I I just I

don't know anybody who's having sex in

high school oh I did did you I did but

like I also think it it for the people

who were every late and it was a big

deal yeah yeah everybody was like oh my

God no one was casual about it no I my

God I my f very first boyfriend who I

dated until I was a senior in high

school was my best friend from Summer

since the age of nine oh like my sweet

sweet like high school sweetheart who

for years I was like I'm still not ready

was like it's okay like just such a

gentle like a true gentleman and it's

funny to think like yeah I mean I don't

know I I dated three people by the time

we got on our show yeah like what none

you would never casually come out of the

shower in front of their out of the

shower in front of your boyfriend's

father like how dare you be in the

shower at your boyfriend's house in the

first place no I shower with my clothes

on in

fact I also just love I got I got to

tell the listeners because it's a fun

one to watch when you come out of said

scene where Paul is really just ripping

into James because he has by the way the

one episode where James has a nipple

ring that some makeup artist had to glue

onto his chest by the way gross um

piercings are gross just like ew having

a fake one glued on is gross and no one

liked it and so they never refer to it

again but you walk out of the bathroom

and you wouldn't even look at the camera

no they're like can you cheat out and

I'm like no absolutely not like I'm

mortified right now I'm I'm hoping this

gets cut yeah I'm mortified by this fake

situation so I'm not going to play it

like I still as a married woman couldn't

do that just like traped spy in my towel

in front of my father-in-law like oh

yeah no so

blessing no I would never yeah sick e in

front of you guys but like in-laws oh my

God it makes me feel so small and hot

with

shame meanwhile also like like looking

back on it Paul was also a viable option

like Paul's the same age as my husband

and so like like the whole element of

like traing around like semi-dressed was

just so loaded and weird and I remember

remember that feeling of I was never

allowed to watch these shows growing up

and here I am like right smack dab in

the middle of it and this one's

potentially worse than what I wasn't

allowed to watch you're the heroin too

you're the you're the one that we're

watching and like you know well I I

Wasing pretty much off the bat the

second the first episode aired and the

reaction to Payton was so bad there cuz

it really was the reaction to her was so

oh yeah I didn't know that I know that

either yeah they came they came to me

like they're like we're going to have to

take you dark right and then you'll have

a moral Arc where you you know like come

back around and people will understand

why you're such an [ __ ] but that's

kind of great though like as as an actor

that's like that we understand that now

but back then yeah you know you're like

20 and you're just like please people

hate me pleas you know like the chat

boards remember the chat board yes just

pages ages of it's a hideous Place

judgment it's so people are so cruel and

the irony that that we clearly are not

in control I mean we did over the years

have to go so hard in the paint for our

characters and when we would win a

battle it was really like winning a war

and and there would be people online

being like can't believe you did that

it's like well I didn't want to Mr

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0796 man like God do you think I chose

this I didn't choose this for me I did

not choose this choice and if they'

known how bad it was supposed to be and

what we like reeled it back in to become

and so like that the new normal that

this show created of like parents not

being around of like casual sexuality

and stuff it's something that I'm really

happy we've been so open about with with

conventions and things like that cuz I

never wanted teenage girls to feel like

they were behind the eightball or that

they were like missing out on something

cuz I'm like do you want to see pictures

of 11th grade for real cuz lot of we

fought for that a lot cuz we knew that

we were we were speaking to a young

audience and I was constantly having

conversations about like young girls

look up to me and I up to this character

you know me as this character and I and

I I'm nervous about a b or c because I

don't want them to think that that's

normal or okay or that they should

treated that way or that they should you

know subject and I and you know the

conversation between as an actor

portraying a character and you want to

show that the character has an arc so

your character has to have flaws and

they've got to learn things and go

through things so yes you don't want to

be perfect all the time but you also

there was this sort of moral

responsibility that we felt and it was

tough that was really tough to navigate

as a young woman and I remember also the

excitement of feeling our first sense of

permission to be a little wild I mean

cuz like we you and I our birth you know

Hillary and I our birthdays are a week

apart we turned 21 and we started

working a week later filming we were

already in Wilmington it was really fun

it was so fun but I remember that first

night we went to level five which was

this cool bar on top of a theater and we

ordered drinks and looked at each other

like we had just gotten away with murder

we they they were like can we see your

IDs and we were like yep

we were like are they going to get

rejected are they going to know they're

real and then they gave us cocktails and

we looked at each other like oh my god

it worked yeah we it worked it was magic

and like we had money to buy our own

drinks could buy drinks it was crazy

yeah it was I mean we didn't I wish we'd

had like phones with cameras at the time

because all we' have so many memories on

our also like a lot of blackmail you

know what I

mean

good

looking back at the show

now what just watching it objectively

Joy you were really good to point out

like the structure of it is so good and

there was nothing else like it on TV at

the time the parallels between what each

boy is going through yeah the way they

cut back and forth on the courts with

the cars and the buses um the the

connection between the two older

Brothers the two younger brothers how

they that whole dynamic yeah that was

really strong

yeah there was a lot of wildlife in this

episode Joy got attacked by pigeons what

was right there was an alligator in some

scene right it was in my scene what was

your pigeon experience oh we had some

guy out there with the pigeons train so

that was um okay uh for those of you who

don't no it's called that was called a

steady shot it was a steady cam shot it

was it was a Warner is what we call it

because there's no coverage which means

the camera's not popping in on uh Chad's

face and then my face to get each of our

lines it's just one camera setup and we

do do the scene and we walk through and

say our dialogue and when when it's over

we're done and by the way baller for the

steady cam operator cuz what that means

is that there's a guy wearing a camera

strap to his chest walking backwards

looking in a monitor at you and Chad in

a two shot that never Cuts never moves

has to be perfectly timed and this man

has to trust the guy who's dragging him

by the vest enough to just look at the

two of you and walk backwards blindly

it's it's so hard so hard so and it's

got to be perfect if one person if

somebody coughs or sneezes and doesn't

make it work in the scene you got to

start all over again so anyway or the

pigeons or the pigeons and so we're

doing this wner on the study Cam and uh

we had the guy with the pigeons and um

it there was like always a thing it just

couldn't we could never get it to work

and it was so frustrating I don't know

what they would fly in the wrong

direction or like he'd open in the cage

and they just walk out

like there was never anything right so

finally it worked and then you know we

continued on with the scene but uh yeah

I I had a that was my pigeon Wildlife

Experience what was yours I had the

gator yeah my was it my first day it it

was either my first or second day but it

was my first real day of like acting I

may have done some like you know like

extra work in a different scene but my

first real day of acting was that

roadside scene where my car is broken

down and it's just Chad and I and Chad

had been on Gilmore Girls he'd been on

Dawson's he' done that like a Haley do

movie or something or you know like he'

done so much work and so our director

was a very big- time director Brian

Gordon and I knew he'd done some like

HBO stuff and he was a very big

deal and I had not done a chemistry read

with anyone I hadn't tested I had done

this you know one little part on

Dawson's Creek I had done you know my

scene study classes in New York for the

last two years but mostly it was theater

where you've got a really big space to

move

around and rehearsal time yeah so Chad

and I get called to set and I knew my

Lin's coming and going right we go down

there they put us on these marks which

are like little you know pieces of tape

in the shape of a cross and they're like

hit this don't you dare look look at it

because the camera's pointed at you you

just have to feel it and I'm like unless

it's a wide shot but there's like a

little dot the size of your half your

finger they ripped the tape tea off and

they're like see this little dot we left

you and you're like in the grass the

green dot in the grass no smaller than

my pinky nail so they everyone's like

just like telling me all these things

and no one realized I didn't know the

business at all right I didn't know how

to hit a Mark I didn't know how to find

my light I didn't know any of this and

while we're in in the midst of the very

first rehearsal a gator is swimming up

to Chad and I and no one is clocking it

like no one's saying a word in the marsh

in the marsh right there in the water

and I'm like hey uh anybody nobody

nobody anybody and I was

distracted right like warranted so we

end rehearsal I go to my trailer I knew

it was bad like I knew it was a bad

rehearsal because the just the lingo

they were using I kept having to ask

like what are you talking about pulling

Focus like what does that even mean I

had no

idea the director comes to my trailer

bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and I

was like yeah he's like I need to talk

to you oh you didn't know your lines yes

I did know my I knew my lines but there

was like a lot going on you're like

there's an alligator sir don't you ever

ever waste my time or the crew time

again and I was like I cried and then I

had to pull it together and like oh it

was just like the worst scari day but I

never didn't know my lines again like

ever like my whole career it was a great

note to get your very first day yeah

even though you didn't deserve it like

for the record I knew my

lies I just had an alligator coming at

me so but the interesting thing is that

the requirement is

you have to be unfl flappable yeah no

matter what yeah and that's that's a

hard skill to learn it was good day no

one but the thing is when you go onto a

job no one realizes it's your first day

cuz it's not their first day they've

been doing this for years like you're

just welcome to the circus kid and so um

it definitely set the tone for me of

crew first always crew first be a team

player don't everit anyone's time um I

think that probably plagued me a little

bit the whole course of shooting cuz I

was then I tried to

overcompensate so I'd be like I'll

advocate for every Department you know

like I'll fight your battles for you cuz

I'm on your team remember um but it all

came down to that freaking Gator wow I

mean people die all the time Wilmington

getting eaten by Gators in Wilmington I

didn't know that happened all the time

yeah Greenfield Lake yeah oh yeah whoa I

I never walked my dog down there yeah no

there was a bad there were some bad

stories about like I remember maybe

maybe this has been created in my brain

but I'm 99% sure that when we lived

there there was a story about somebody

walking their dog around Greenfield Lake

and the dog got snatched but the

person's arm was in the leash and so

when the dog was getting rolled by the

gator the person walking it was also

drowned and I was like well I'm never

going there ever I'm never going this is

the mythology that's so fun about

shooting in a small town cuz like you

don't know did it happen I don't know

but I heard it did oh my God it was also

just such a crazy thing because I

remember you know you guys obviously

shot the pilot you do pilots in the

spring guys so like March usually and so

it's chilly still in Wilmington in March

but then when we got there to start

shooting properly and joy when you had

to shoot all your pilot scenes you know

do all those those re-shoot um it was

July you know it's 100° it's 100%

humidity but you're shooting a show

that's going to be airing on TV in

September so you're wearing cashmere

sweaters and leather jackets and and

they're like could you stop sweating you

know one of the camera guys and you're

like I wish I could help you I'm so

sorry no and another thing to note is

that our show was supposed to be a

midseason replacement yeah January

that's right and that's why we were all

dressed for winter because we were

supposed to come on the air in January

anuary and so we were filming in July we

had a six-month lead and another show

got canned and so they put us on the air

right away in September but that meant

that we were filming an episode and then

it would air like two or three weeks

later f it was fast yeah so there was no

way to adjust for like reaction you know

to like like crowd reaction and stuff

like that we you know it was so um I I

just remember being so nervous about

Peyton because I was like everybody

hates her everybody hates her I'm on set

reading about how everyone hates her and

like we're still in the midst of like

being a big jerk you know oh man so it

was yeah that was scary there was no

promotion for the show it was all word

of mouth and that was a crazy thing yeah

because every weeked yes street cred man

every week the viewership jumped in ways

that we all were like what's happening

and when we first cuz obviously you you

you ushered us in Hill to the whole

world of MTV and I will never forget

when we went and did that first TRL and

the people at MTV were like last time we

had a crowd this big was for Eminem and

we were like I mean Time Square was i'

I've never seen a crowd like it and we

were like this is for us yeah I was I

remember being really confused I was

like having a panic I was sweating I I

was convinced it was others paid people

to do it and now as an adult I'm like

well no then every movie would have done

that you know what I mean like we didn't

have those crowds for anybody else it

was I didn't know that they were for us

I just thought Time Square was packed

and we pulled up and I got out and I was

like man this is crazy what is going on

and I got out and I saw somebody in the

in the immediate crowd surrounding us

holding up a poster that was Nathan and

Haley and I just was

like what this Haley wait what they were

holding up posters for all of us in all

different ways but that was just the one

that my eye saw that was like oh my God

wait these people are here for us yeah

especially because we were just in this

little town like oh man we were laughing

so hard you guys watching the pilot just

thinking about all the shenanigans of

our lives there and like one of the

things that's so funny about Wilmington

it's a college town and it's a

retirement Town yeah yeah so like it was

us 21 and then it was a bunch of

19-year-old kids at UNCW and I wasn't

going to kiss those nope and then it was

a bunch of people's like dads and

grandpas on the golf course I might have

kissed those I wasn't going to kiss

those either and so it was kind of just

us like all we had was each other

literally for better or worse and oh man

we just had no perspective on anything

outside of our little bubble in this

little place and then we got to New York

and there were

thousands of people in the streets

outside of a building where we were

going to do press and we were like what

is this it was like being in the

Twilight Zone it was so crazy I remember

other people talking about like oh your

life's about to change and I'm like well

I've been on TV since I graduated high

school like what are you talking about

you know yeah I was I do live TV yeah

you know I get the reaction right away

so to do something where the reaction

was delayed was weird um because then it

really was so much bigger and I had a

boyfriend fiance at the time yeah who

came to visit and was like riding a

skateboard around our base camp Oh my

God that's R and I remember our bosses

going he won't last long oh like they

knew our life was about to change enough

that I would just like cast off the old

skin and turn into something different I

never felt like I mean did you guys feel

like your lives your lives did change

all of a sudden because I we were in

like no only in that I was making

decisions 100% on my own for the first

time like where I wanted to live you

know

I went shopping for a car with Brian

Greenberg in those first couple episodes

I remember I was looking at like a

mountaineer do they even make

Mountaineers anymore M it's kind of like

a Jeep right I don't know like a Range

Rover not a Range Rover Whatchamacallit

um yeah like a like a jeepy kind of it's

like a sport utility sport SUV not like

a Subaru girl I don't know no I think a

mountaineer is like I think I was just

excited look there it goes yeah like a

for like a Ford Escape or whatever

Explorer I was just pumped to like hang

out with Greenberg cuz he was so cool

you know and so we would like shopping

for cars and then I was too scared to

actually spend money on a car from a car

lot cuz I wasn't convinced it's scary to

spend money when you're making it I

bought like a

$1500 1986 Mercedes that like had the

crank Windows you know turb no

AC and that's what we would like drive

into work and yeah it was it felt

extravagant at the time all of us trying

to figure out who we wanted to be I mean

that's a big deal at that age like you

know we all had different personalities

but you also we were looking up to other

public figures at the time and to the

things that we saw in the magazines and

other women that we saw around us I

didn't know I mean I I there were things

I admired about you there were things I

admired about you I just I and I

remember like okay let me copy that and

see if that feels right in my skin no

that feels that doesn't feel right

trying on a sweater yes and look at a

magazine and be like let me try that on

and see and I think every teenage girl

can relate to that we're all trying on

different suits to see which one yeah

fits us I felt so confused too because

to your point everyone around us kept

telling us our lives were changing but I

I just felt like I had no idea what that

meant and and I think part of it for me

you know I I grew up my whole life I

went to an all girl school with 50 girls

in my graduating class I wore uniforms

like I I didn't have any of the

experiences we were portraying oh that's

so weird never thought about that oh I

had never been in a class with boys I my

high school sweetheart was my best

friend from Camp since I was nine I'd

never been lied to I'd never had anyone

try to sell me anything I went to

college and I wanted to have the

opposite experience so I went to USC I

thought sororities were lame but my best

friends were

so I did just like you as a cheerleader

but I was the philanthropy chair of my

sorority cuz I can't help but be a nerd

I like and I dated a boy all through all

through college who was a computer

programmer like we were just so cute I

had no I had like these dreams of making

the kinds of movies I loved and and I

remembered like you know watching my

so-called life and loving CLA Dan and

thinking she was so talented and she

went on to do movies I respected and and

I thought maybe someday that could

happen and then suddenly we were on TV

and everyone was saying it was happening

but like we were just going to work

every day and like get getting offered

sweet tea at like the local furniture

store where you and I Joy were like

hunting for antiques and nothing you

talking about the Ivy Cottage I Cottage

The Ivy Cottage on market right next to

that great tie Place Indo the best but

like I everyone was saying it was

changing but I still kind of felt like a

a little kid and I didn't want anyone to

know I felt like a little kid so I was

trying so hard to be a grown up me

too see I had come from MTV where you

were looked down on if you hung out with

the talent it made you like a can I say

star yeah it made you a [ __ ] and I

was so against that and so for me it was

really hard to be on the other side of

the line Talent I didn't like how people

were like treating me and I didn't like

I didn't like feeling like I was being

coddled God you had so much perspective

and at that time the only way MTV would

let me do the show is if I

worked fly back I worked Sunday that's

right I forgot about that forgot so it

was hard for me to connect with anyone

cuz I was always gone cuz I worked we we

shot in the high school on Sundays so we

could get the gym yeah we worked Sunday

through Thursday Friday morning at 6:00

a.m. I'd fly to New York I would film

like three different shows and then I'd

work again Saturday morning and I'd fly

home Saturday night and then like go out

yeah and then go to work again on Sunday

and I did it for the first two seasons

oh my God and it was so

unsustainable I mean and by the way

you're being kind about that schedule

because let me just tell you all

listening at home something these

basketball days in gy

averag for us as girls cuz we have a

2hour preall we would film for 16 hours

in the gym meaning we would work an

18-hour day and be told that's normal

it's normal on our quote unquote Monday

which means that because the later you

shoot every day the later your call the

next day has to be by Friday we'd be

going into work at 400 p.m. starting at

6 p.m. shooting until 4 or 5 a.m. on

Saturday so Hillary you are on Friday

night Friday morning Thursday night into

Friday morning we'd shoot until 4:00 5

sometimes 6:00 a.m. and you would go

straight from set to the fraking airport

I didn't look fly yor it was you see I

think you'll see over the course of the

Season like I just disintegrate like a

little bit more and I can see it joy to

your point it's what you were saying

about knowing what you were going

through personally yeah like I watch

myself trying so hard to spin all the

plates um so then by like season 3 when

I was like guys we're done here and then

I can just commit to this the show

season 3 really is one of my favorite

Seasons because I was just able to do

one thing and it felt nice and I got to

cut my hair like it felt so nice but

yeah it was you forget how bad you

wanted it as a kid and and we were all

trying so hard to be these grown-ups who

like deserved this position that we

never said no to anything oh no anything

they asked of us anything they said was

normal anything they told us we had to

do by the way I even think about like

any question I was asked like when we

would do press and they would interview

US no one ever told us you don't have to

answer a question if someone asks it so

You' be like oh w wow that feels

personal um okay like we just wanted to

be good so badly that we didn't realize

at times we were like coming apart at

the seams mhm

I think messy is what made us really

relatable everyone at home was like oh I

feel her pain we all just carry

different pain I loved I I still love

when people are like I feel like me and

Brooke or me and pton or me and Haley I

feel like we would be friends and I'm

like I love that that's my favorite

feedback the the Payton crying in her

car I guess there's like a meme of me

crying in a car and my son every night

at 700 p.m. gets online with his best

friend and they look at memes that like

they watch YouTube videos and like

that's what fifth grade boys do and so I

guess at some point my son got curious

and like saw a Payton crying in her car

Meme and so like 11-year-old Gus is like

why were you always just crying in a car

and and what's kind of great is like I

know now why Payton's like always like

super messy but it wasn't explained in

this pilot no not at all I mean I liked

that when I watched the pilot I liked

that because I thought there's really

somewhere to go like I want to

understand this girl why did she I was

empathetic of you I didn't have the

reaction that apparently a lot of other

people did I just thought she was so

cool yeah I thought you were such

a I always was like I was like Hillary's

so grown up and she's so cool and her

arms are so long and slender how'd she

get like that and she knows how to use

pom poms and shows me like I just want I

just wanted to follow you around like a

puppy I was like teach me stuff can I go

to bars with you you're cool like I just

felt like didn't you feel like she knew

everything I didn't though guys I was so

I was intimidated by Joy cuz Joy had

been in

thinner and I had remembered like like

oh she was in like a

movie like a big deal you were the the

pro was 14 like six years AG that's

amazing so funny I was so intimidated by

your theater AC I was just like wow she

keeps talking about all these plays and

I've never seen any of those like what I

don't know anything about musical

theater like cool I felt like I yeah

it's interesting thinking about it I

just felt like I had so much to learn

from you guys weird no I to I was the I

felt like what I had said before where I

was just kind of terrified inside and

just like you know looking at both of

you and and in a and like thought you

were both so cool and so like with it

and so like you were so stylish

so with her no back blouses like sopia

had an orange halterneck top that's when

cut t-shirts were cool and that was a

t-shirt that had been cut up by some

girl in LA and the neck was the armholes

you guys it was like a men's extra large

t-shirt and you'd like put the armholes

on your neck I felt so cool cuz a girl

who was older than me in college who was

in my swor like taken me to this t-shirt

shop and I was like this is cool I'm an

adult on TV I should wear this in public

and put my face through some guy's

armpit holes like oh my God it's so

embarrassing no but you also were like

the pi Piper of all the dudes on the

show with that shirt like I remember a

caravan from the Riverview Suites to the

Rhino Club up on market and just they

were all following you like

ducklings just like that shirt's killing

it we had watched nip tuck your episodes

of Nip Tuck were airing and we all like

watched them together and then we went

cuz we were 21 and Bonafide to a bar to

celebrate we were like we're getting

cocktails and Greenberg played his

guitar God bless Greenberg being you

know in every Co dorm there's that one

guy with the guitar yeah he was our gu

was Greenberg he was our guy but not

like like Jake's character was not

overly romantic you know those guy

there's was a guy with the guitar who

really like he's like I'm the guy with

the guitar he's Barefoot yeah you know

Greenberg's not that guy he was just

always always seemed so self-confident

and just sort of in his own skin he was

just cool and he was like covering

Elliot Smith songs that's right yeah he

was good for the like music

recommendation he had really cute

friends like when we would come up to

New York for MTV Greenberg would be like

we're going to meet some of my Bros from

NYU and I was always like I'll come yeah

that's sounds so fun God I wish we'd

been on those trip say I wish I'd hung

out with you I wish I hadn't been so

afraid of everything that I had actually

like gone out and hung out and done all

that stuff I was just like so terrified

of thankfully though we had trips like

trips forced us into that space in

season 1 we had the hurricane yes

Chicken and Waffles did you remember

that

place oh my

God oh God

it was like the spot we all met up there

right it was like half of us went to one

place and half of us went to the other

place cuz it was like there's a

hurricane and we all need to be in the

same spot so we went for chicken and

waffles I mean the the Hurricanes that

was something that was new for all of us

and so you take all these kids that are

away from like home or just what they're

used to for the first time you start

filming in September and then hurricane

season hits in October and we're all

forced to like be grown-ups and deal

with natural disasters and also be on a

national television show and then fly

all over the country and do press by the

way remember when people were like oh

are you storm proofing your windows I

was like a what a who yeah how do you do

that I don't know I mean I was still

living above the bar so storm proofing

my windows yeah the idea of like nailing

boards into the

wall na a picture frame into the wall

guys like I'm pretty sure I can't stor

roof my we'll be fine okay so obviously

now the world knows we were all so

terrified to be at work and so deeply

intimidated by an enam each other oh my

God like but joy I'm so curious for you

because you know Hill you had done the

pilot and then you came in to do these

re-shoot of the pilot and then I came in

and we all started working together

right as soon as those right as soon as

those were done but what was it like to

have to re-shoot some of those huge

pilot scenes cuz some of them are easy

right like you're at Karen's Cafe it's

Chad and Moira but then you had to do

shots to match the that huge basketball

scene like the Lucas and Nathan face off

that starts the show was that insane to

have to do that what was weird about it

was that it we if I recall correctly we

didn't actually re-shoot that riverfront

scene we were shooting a different

basketball scene on the River Court for

another episode and they tacked my

reactions for the pilot onto that scene

so they did like inserts of you and then

edited them in yeah exactly they did a

really good job they did a really good

job I did not know that I'm pretty sure

that's how they did it though that's

what I remember that scene is so good it

really is and you know like as much as

we are so we you know we kept saying

while we were watching it how impressed

we were with James and how strong and

intimidating and he was holding his own

17 years old so attractive and

captivating on screen and you know they

did a really good job because with with

these characters too cuz I really was

rooting for Lucas when I watched this

pilot as much as I and it's it's a feat

to have you sort of you're attracted to

the villain in a way but you're also

rooting for the guy that's supposed to

be the hero I mean if they didn't if

they hadn't done that right if they

hadn't cast it right shot it right

written it right if those guys hadn't

played it right we probably wouldn't be

sitting here today because that was

that's that was the biggest moment yeah

in the pilot that I think brought people

back com James was so Sinister in the

pilot which watching now I'm like what

how did he do 17 blows my mind at the

time we took it for granted like you

just expect everyone to show up and you

know do their job watching it now you

know he's not that far removed from my

son's age you know which is like creepy

he's only six years older than Gus was

at the time and so super impressive but

I remember them

recasting your part

it had originally been a character named

Reagan it was played by Sam Shelton

who's an awesome actress great singer by

the way too great singer her and Zoel

had like a Duo at the time and she was

so cool and so fun but when I was told

that they were recasting her it was

specifically because they wanted Nathan

and Haley to become a couple and I

remember at the time and Sam just wasn't

right for that right like those two

didn't work cuz Sam was older than I was

so the jump from from James to me and

then her to James was it's a different

chemistry really different chemistry and

I remember thinking when they told me

that like there's noing way that will

work like Nathan and tutor girl like

what because he was so like bad he was

so bad in my mind there was no way to

make it work and so it's a real

Testament to James's work being able to

take Nathan from that dark place into

like a beloved daddy figure you know

yeah and he he's so genuinely such a

good solid guy that that there was there

was that was bound to come through as

well did you know from the jump that

they were going to put you two together

no I have no idea yeah no I never knew

that I didn't either and by the way it's

because I mean I would think if I like

click into a producer hat for a second

they wanted there to be that tension

that existed in season 1 where all the

fans because we were piggybacking the

end of Dawson's Creek everyone wanted

you and Lucas to be py and Joey or be

Dawson and

Joey was I don't know yeah we all

thought you guys were maybe going to end

up together yeah yeah for sure me too

you guys never went there did you ever

no no I mean we such a strong choice I

don't think that ever well we'll find

out as we keep watching cuz I honestly

don't remember most of the first season

I I mean I remembered those moments from

the pilot but um no we didn't have that

kind of with just that chemistry wasn't

there it didn't exist that really was a

good example of a male female friendship

that was Earnest and like hard when it

needed to be hard and just kind of yeah

we didn't really see a lot of that where

it didn't Veer off into romantic

territory yeah there just wasn't sexual

tension there for whatever reason I I

don't know but I think although when

Chef walked into the room don't think we

didn't clock that in Karen's Cafe your

flustered little reaction what are you

doing hello do you know Paul we were all

having dinner at Deluxe me Paul and

Craig and um see while I was hanging out

with the you boys you were with the

grown-ups you were having a fine time

Joy trying to figure out where Joy

nailed it we were ID no this was years

later was years later um I don't know if

he came back to the show or if it was

before he left or something it was years

later but I I had kind of gotten over my

crush with him and you know but we were

at dinner and and we're all sitting

there just like Paul AKA Dan Scot who I

love very very much but who loves seeing

people in awkward uncomfortable

situations it's just pure comedy to him

and so true to Paul we're all sitting at

the table and he goes hey Chef you know

Joy had a massive crush on you for the

like she was in love with you and I mean

I just turned like be

Craig just looked at me and I was like

yeah let's not talk about it many things

we think when we're young and I don't

know what I made

up he he is such a sweetheart though

like what a great guy and we loved his

daughter yeah like he was a hot single

dad and we would babysit his daughter

Willow you know what I have to say he

was looking out for us too like he

really was one of the ones that was the

very few people that was was a good

listener and would would wanted to hear

how our experiences were what we were

going through um would give advice

freely like just really he really cared

you know he and Paul were so special

looking back on it and I've told you

guys this and i' I've said it at

conventions too but for anybody who's

never been able to hang out with us when

we shot when we started shooting the

season so we came back after this pilot

episode my parents came down to

Wilmington to like move me into my

apartment like bring dishes all that

kind of stuff like I was going into my

dorm we went out to dinner with James

and his mom at like one of those you

know riverfront restaurants and James

was like I mean he had to have a

chaperon cuz he was still a kid and so

it was almost like we were being set up

to be buddies you know and so I was like

okay yeah our parents are making us be

friends cuz we're playing boyfriend

girlfriend and and then afterwards I

took my parents to that upstairs French

beastro um what the hell was that place

called Caprice yes and Paul showed up

and Paul is like so good at ordering

wine Paul is so charming and he's so

funny and I think we were laughing and

at some point like I laughed and like

touched his KN and was like oh you Old

Scamp you know like one of those moves

and my parents mood changed and we left

and my parents were like you are not

dating him don't even think about it

and it had never occurred to me but I

was like oh oh maybe I will do that is

that an option well now the world's

opened up but when you're all new it's

also so funny to us cuz I mean Joy had

the the the smart sites I think but I

don't know at least for me like and I I

imagine as we've talked about it for you

I looked at Paul and Craig like they

were supposed to be playing art dads I

mean meanwhile they're only like 15 16

years older exactly but at the time cuz

I still felt like such a little kid it

never occurred to me that they were not

actually our parents age and so now like

you you telling me that Jeff and Paul

are the same age blew my mind I was like

what and when we watched the episode you

know when I met Jeff he was like oh I

auditioned for that show and I'm like

wait what and my husband Jeffrey

auditioned for sheffer's part oh my god

wow and he was yeah you know I like the

whole like gritty garage guy you know

that like edgy thing yes so Joy was on

to something you know hey yeah had El he

shown up in those tight jeans that Chef

was wearing can you imagine yeah I would

have definitely had kids

earlier that's a totally different

behindth scenes Scandal you know oh my

God it's so and by the way the the

wildness of you while we watched the

pilot like this would have actually been

mind-blowing cuz you talk about in that

scene in the car where you stop and you

like make the face at Chad you're like

oh that's my kid staring back at me like

weird what if it had actually would like

oh my God it would have been so crazy

yeah watch you know my son is probably

going to be an actor like he has already

dived into directing stuff and really

really loves it and I don't want him to

do it until he has a real clear sense of

who he is because I was so like

wishy-washy and I didn't grow up in the

industry the way he has you know I was

super green from Virginia you know

didn't know anything about film work

meanwhile he's like a pro now I still

don't want him to do it till he's 18 um

I feel that way about Maria yeah but to

see my face my child's face in a

cheerleading uniform I'm like oh my God

it's Gus just making those sirly little

faces and like super grumpy and very

dramatic it it's get weird were're

babies it is weird seeing like the kid

and

yourself yeah I'm protective of it yeah

well and it it makes me a little bit

emotional I mean firstly let me just say

on the subject of things we deserve um

we all cuz we deserve we deserve it um I

you know I I'm proud of us

for caring about each other enough to

have you know been at this and be such

Fierce you know lovers of and Defenders

of each other for all these years yeah

and I'm I love that we're doing this and

we're you know taking back our joy from

a place that had so much of it but also

had not joyous

experiences and and it's kind of wild

because I feel that too I feel so

protective of you both and I feel

protective of my young self and I feel

so protective of Brook Davis like she's

a person like I get Surly if anyone

tries to come for her and then I have it

also from pton and for haly like I

remember some like quote unquote fan on

the internet like you know tried to say

why pton was a bad friend and I was like

you don't know the first thing about

what pton Sawyer did for Brook Davis and

I was like wow this is an irrational

reaction that I'm having um this is not

appropriate in anyway but I just I don't

know it's it it's nostalgic and

beautiful and and intense a little to

watch that

pilot not so like full disclosure I

cried afterwards because you watch it

and like it the the sense memory is

there like I remember what the River

Court smelled like next to the river in

the middle of the night I remember like

that humidity and also the smell of the

lights you know there's just like such

sense memory about it and we had no idea

in that moment that the thing that we

were making at 20 21 years old was going

to be the thing that became like the

Cornerstone of our life when people stop

me in the grocery store like every once

in a while it's white collar or a

Christmas movie or something but 99% of

the time it's this show and it makes you

think like oh maybe I would have made

some some different choices if I knew

that this was going to live forever

there was no streaming then that's right

there was no like internet you could

watch tuns yeah that was it soet that's

right which doesn't even exist anymore

yeah it we had no idea what was coming

well we didn't yeah we didn't know what

was ahead in terms of the good or the

bad of it what was your favorite moment

from the

pilot um as a viewer I feel like this is

what we should do every every episode

what was our favorite moment

o just as a viewer yeah

um I loved Karen rip and Dan a new

one in the car dealership cuz now that

we were the age that Moira was when we

shot that like if my agent sent me those

sides and was like hey do you want to do

this show like

yes yes I do thank you so much like it

she just it was a great character

she knew exactly how to play the pissed

off mama bear um and it's fun to watch

it's fun to watch Moira she's so so

good and scary like a little scary you

want her on your team yeah yeah I think

probably just that that big game at the

end on the River Court when the guys are

facing off with each other that was the

stakes were so heightened and um I think

that and I and I do remember

really loving uh this the image of the

guy who was not Chad but doing Chad

standon walking across just bouncing the

that the iconic image from the show van

walking across the bridge bouncing the

basketball it was such a it was such

great brilliant imagery whoever came up

with that shot it's brilliant I it like

sticks in my head and then um and then

you in and and um chat at the railroad

tracks always sticks in my head too the

you're you were so you felt so

comfortable in front of the camera

Hillary and um there was like an instant

I don't know that the chemistry between

the two of you guys in that moment I

felt it and it I remember that tugged at

my heart instantly on the show I was

like I think I'm in I think I'm in on

this show and and um and then the moment

on the basketball court really tied it

all up for me absolutely I agree I that

basketball scene is just so good because

you know what the stakes are for these

families and and something about this

sort of dynastic element of of who is

what does that word mean she's smart she

went to space camp

y you know but but truly the this notion

that this character of Dan Scott has a

dynasty essentially in this small town

he's like a king yeah right okay and and

the element of of what his hyper

masculine sort of patriarchal story is

with this you know his progyny his son

who's you know next in line for the

throne and then this other kid who by no

choice of his own is sort of stuck in

this mess and the woman who's been

harmed by playing his mother like it's

so good and and then you realize as

these two boys essentially are in this

Gladiator battle that neither of them

chose this and that it's going to affect

them for the rest of their lives I just

remember thinking how Elemental it felt

and and I had that same moment of like

I'm I'm in yeah and I loved how it was

constantly

reinforced similarly the you know I

couldn't relate to that family story but

what I could relate to was being a part

of a world but still feeling like an

outsider in it yeah you know from the

outside maybe I looked like I had it

together or like you know yeah I was in

this club or that club or did theater or

seemed popular but I always I always

felt more like Payton I always felt

really

uncomfortable uh sort of in the skin of

that place you did a good job s because

you came in with Brooke Davis just like

Su [ __ ] I'm here win you know and

like owned it but I had to be someone I

couldn't relate to and so that's

actually what made it easier for me and

and I always felt a little uncomfortable

in a room uh of people who seemed like

they had it all together and the moment

that made me feel seen was the cutting

back and forth almost Montage style in

the scenes where Nathan's driving the

school bus

all the kids arey and Payton's a kid but

she's not there and she's driving her

car listening to angsty music by herself

and it's cutting back and forth between

these two driving scenes and and Nathan

almost drives into the train and you

almost run Lucas over and everybody

stops and it I don't know that was the

thing that made me feel seen yeah and I

was like I I I have felt that I get that

what you listening to in your car by

yourself in high school oh man I mean

Cheryl Crow baby who ended up coming on

the show that was toally geeked out with

her um and Billy Joel yeah Cheryl Crow

it's funny because I grew up listening

to mowtown with my mom and the eagles

with my dad and then I got really into I

think just like being a kid who lived in

La you know it was the era of Tupac and

the Tupac and Biggie battle and then I

was a senior in high school when chronic

2001 came out and I was like Dr Dre is

the coolest so I was just like this you

know really gangly little white girl who

loved rap that's ter what about you Hill

what were you listening to I wasn't

allowed to listen to modern music really

and so I you know with pton and all our

dumb vinyl you know that was like who I

was the only music I could get was what

we could check out at the library cuz I

didn't have necessarily money growing up

to go and buy CDs or

weed from the Sterling library and I

remember like my culture clbs like I was

obsessed with Boy George I was so

obsessed with

androgyny and like sexuality and lenx

Boy George David Bowie girl I was on a

real gender bender kick and so Peyton

coming in with a lot of masculine energy

felt like good to me I was like this

chick can kiss anybody she wants this be

great um which is something that a lot

of the fan Bas has picked up on you know

like there is a large part of the fan

base that's like Payton's gay right and

I'm like I don't know there's still time

guys life is long um so yeah that was

you know what was fun for me I would

love to know where all those records

ended up yeah scattered to the wind I

know I stole some things for you from

set when we uh wrapped up but they'

packed those records up by then and I

was pretty pissed them I was like where

did they go

yeah ladies and gentlemen it's time for

most likely

two uh okay so we're going to try and do

this at the end of every episode who's

most likely to um you know like in high

school like in your high school maybe

you had this in your year book we should

ask the fans what their most likely to

were so we can get some ideas oh I like

that I like that

idea um I mean I feel like in most your

books like the the the one I hear about

a lot is most likely to succeed um are

there others that you would prefer to

explore no I mean I think this idea of

success in this first episode is such a

major point because obviously on paper

Dan Scott is most likely to

succeed but as we know that doesn't

happen that's thearchy yeah that's right

who do we feel like who is most really

succeeded in this

world and well I guess define success

right in high school typically most

likely succeed means the person who's

going to what make the most money build

the biggest business in that way yeah um

yeah I mean there's different

definitions to success it's like not the

kid joining Peace Corp you know what I

mean right and now we're like it should

be the kid joining PE um I mean Karen

has raised a child who loves her and I

think as like adults now we realize how

rare that can be sometimes

yeah I mean a kid that communicates with

you and loves you and lets you into

their world is a big deal someone with a

strong moral character you can drop into

any scenario and they're going to do the

right thing you know I mean that's yeah

massive success for sure I think most

likely to succeed is Barry Corbin a

little bit who plays coach Whitey who by

when we were shooting One Tree Hill had

been in more television shows and movies

like the length of Barry's

career is nuts and like just dropped

into this world of freaking teenagers

and was like guess I'm going to own

this and for those of you who don't know

no one had a better time in Wilmington

than Barry Corbin oh yeah good God we

should try and get him to come come in

and chat with us time I would love what

I would give to hear Barry's stories cuz

he just watched

us and like enjoyed

that the way he watches the cattle just

moving along not interesting what's

happening over there yeah um okay I I'm

going to say I think my vote for most

likely to succeed in this episode is

going to be mouth I think watching him

on the River Court do his thing he was

so driven and focused and it really set

this set the uh the tone for him as a

character throughout the rest of the

series everything that he was always

driving at he provided so much

ammunition and and uh fuel for so many

different story lines and um he was just

always always chasing a dream you know

and I love that about him that's my vote

he brought a lot of energy what about

you oh man I was really like you're

right it's Karen that's the way to go

and now I'm like oh but mouth I I'm so

bad at this I've never been able to pick

a

thing I I don't know I I

think it's funny because then I also

excuse

me sorry something in

my um well that yes and

obviously she's

brilliant but like the the pilot feels

very set up to give Lucas who's always

been the outcast his first taste of

success like that boy gets his first win

in the pilot and I and I think what they

set up is the audience curiosity as to

whether or not he's going to be able to

hold on to it like you come back to see

which of them gets the ball next time

and that I think is really brilliant

device I'm going to say the most lik to

succeed for me is the town of Wilmington

oh because this show was such a love

letter to that town the way it's shot is

so beautiful and it has set up like a

tourism industry that has you know

surpassed anything I think anyone ever

expected and like Dawson didn't take

place in North Carolina they were like

cheating Cape Cod I guess for right

that's right Wilmington for Cape Cod and

so I think Wilmington came out such a

winner you took this to such another

level Hillary it's a metor y' it's a

metaphor this is why she should be

running the film commission that's right

hello yo I don't join clubs anymore

we're clubbed out um the drama queen

Club is the only one I'm a part of anym

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102 the places you have come to fear the

most that sounds dangerous

it's cuz I'm showing up like a Helen mhm

and my bad hair oh please that was a bad

haircut it was so cool then but good God

I just I wish we'd had

one a female

executive oh God it all comes back to

hair yeah I'm into it all right y'all

better watch the episode cuz we're going

to have some things to say Soph and her

hot little bod show up and it's travel

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