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Well, take a look at the chart and guess
where the payroll revisions came out.
Obviously, the payroll revisions came
out right here.
911,000 jobs and unsurprisingly risk
assets trading down a bit. But
surprisingly,
interest rates on bonds are moving up.
Now, that's what we really got to talk
about because tomorrow we have some big
catalysts starting with producer price
index inflationary reads and then
following that we'll have the CPI
inflation reads. Usually we get those in
reverse order. Uh but tomorrow uh
Wednesday at 5:30 in the morning we'll
have our producer price index numbers.
Uh and these can actually accelerate the
increase of bond yields which right now
are at the lowest level they've been at
all year. But risk moving up even higher
which will be a little bit of a
short-term negative to uh some of those
real estate related uh stocks could be a
buying opportunity. But take a look at
this producer price index inflation
month over month tomorrow is expected to
be.3 and the core read is also expected
to be.3 and.3 for X food energy X food
energy trade. If these numbers come in,
which I think they're more likely to
come in at a four handle, so point4,
than they are to come in at a two
handle. If they come in at that four
handle, we probably are giving credence
the Fed going, "Look, 25 basis points.
That's it. We'll go meeting by meeting
after that." It kind of puts the market
into a bit of a stasis environment where
the numbers aren't such that we could be
so excited and rally that markets are
going to the moon, but they're not so
bad that, you know, we're expecting
massive rapid rate cuts. And that's
basically what we got out of the QC dub
numbers. As you can see here, we ended
up getting just 847,000
jobs created in the 12 months ending in
March. that reduces the monthly job
creation rate to just 70,583.
And usually you start getting
recessionary concerns at under 50,000.
And so I think what we have is a bond
market that's reacting to numbers that
are bad, but they're not recessionarily
bad. They're not bad enough to get the
Fed to say, you know what, we need many
multiple cuts. And unfortunately PPI in
my opinion more likely to come in
slightly higher than slightly low
tomorrow probably just adds fuel to that
fire. So it's possible that in the short
term over the next few days we could end
up seeing this 10-year yield just bounce
up a bit. Uh now again we're at the
lowest level we've been in all year with
the exception of this very brief moment
right on liberation day when the 10-year
dropped a smidge below 4%. But it
wouldn't be surprising to see this move
back up to about 415, maybe even 420 as
we get that PPI CPI data. Now, best case
scenario for markets tomorrow and uh
Thursday when we get our CPI numbers,
which are also expected to be.3,
year-over-year 2.9, year-over-year core,
3.1 on CPI, year-over-year PPI, uh 3.3
tomorrow, and 3.5 on the core. When you
get these numbers tomorrow,
best case scenario is that all those
inflation numbers come in at expectation
or slightly low. We want to see that
fire cooling underneath the hood. Now,
understand what I mean when I say the
fire cooling underneath the hood.
doesn't mean that, you know, there's no
inflation from tariffs and it doesn't
mean that, you know, we're at a place
of, oh, uh, there's there's like this
mega inflation and we're going to be in
a stagflationary environment, right? We
we want to stay away from any of that.
What really inflation cooling under the
hood means is something like this. Think
about the trend of inflation. This is
COVID inflation and then you come Oh,
there we go. Let's try that again.
Here's COVID inflation and then you come
down and then down and then you're
getting the tariff inflation, right? Oh,
there we go. I guess it doesn't show
until I let go, which is interesting.
So, what you're kind of getting right
now is uh iPad's being a little funky
this morning. There we go. What you're
getting right now is that you're getting
that little tick up there on the end.
And that's really important because it
shows you that your initial trend uh of
inflation is moving in the wrong
direction. It's a sign that we are
seeing under the hood inflation that's
rising on a consumer good pace at a tune
of about 5.6% annualized. That's a lot.
We're also seeing some of those uh you
know core non-housing services start
reacelerating which means there's
potentially a spillover from goods
inflation into services inflation and
that's how you get broad-based inflation
that's bad and unfortunately that's just
what the tariffs are bringing to us at
this time. So the tariffs are bringing
us uh rather than a continuation of a
downtrend of inflation, the tariffs are
giving us uh a a reaceleration.
Now Jerome Powell and the Federal
Reserve are broadly convinced that these
lines uh we'll pick a different color
here that these lines are going to be
broadly transitory over time. So that
you know on the left over here we had co
inflation and on the right we have a
bump from tariffs. Both of them, I think
they're arguing and from what we've seen
Powell say, uh, are going to be branded
as transitory in nature.
And what we're finding with Powell
bringing back flexible inflation
targeting or FIT, which is a slight
deviation from Fate, which was flexible
average inflation targeting by going to
FIT. to flexible average inflation
targeting. Powell's basically saying,
"Hey, for this period of time right
here, we just want to go and recognize
that tariffs are going to be a one-time
but overtime inflationary impact. If we
look through that like textbooks tell us
to do, then we could still reduce rates.
But the data today was not bad enough.
Even though it was the worst in 26
years, negative 911 was not bad enough
to actually motivate us uh to see any
kind of big drop in yields, assuming
that markets are going to get anything
more than a 25 basis point cut. That's
probably because we literally came in
right at the two standard deviation
level. Two standard deviations would
have been 990. We came in at 991, which
that only had a 5% chance of happening
statistically.
We got it. It's bad, but I think markets
see this as like a clearing event. It's
like, all right, we were all expecting
bad news. Best set up 800K, and maybe
because it's a market clearing event,
even though the numbers are so bad, the
bond market's kind of like, all right,
bro, priced in. And that's why we're
getting a little bit of a tick up here.
We've seen almost no movement in the
odds of a 50 basis point cut. We started
the day at about an 8% chance of a 50
basis point cut. We're at about a 10%
chance right now. it that's
indistinguishable from zero movement. So
we're really it's not bad enough data uh
to motivate big cuts and we do have a
risk that CPI and PPI over the next two
days are going to come in hot. Now best
case scenario and that's my bias. I I
lean towards getting a point4 rather
than a.3. We'll be covering them live
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So, take a look, you know, again here at
this iPad. The the key here is uh if we
get a lower read, that would be clutch.
So, if we end up getting a read like a
0.2 two on PPI or CPI tomorrow. That's
going to be a real bullish catalyst
because that's where you can actually
get the stock market to go up and yields
to come down. But other than that, we
seem a little stuck in place right now.
The market's in this stasis of hey,
yeah, we're we're waiting for data.
We're, you know, bouncing on 577 on the
cues. We're rejecting the 580s, the
lower 580s, which are our all-time high
levels, 581 and 583. Uh, and we're just
kind of in a decent spot. Like prices
are relatively near all-time highs.
Yields are slowly trending down. Data
just isn't strong enough in any
direction to say, "Oh my gosh, yeah,
this is a recession," or, "Oh my gosh,
this is stagflation." It's pretty
benign. Now, what that means is time.
And that's actually something really
important to know if you're a trader or
you're investing in stocks.
When everything takes longer to happen
than you expect,
options become really risky because
options
do really well when what you expect to
happen happens quickly. Shares don't
have that pain. And so using shares to
make your investment decisions versus
options in this sort of market where
we're kind of like in this slog, but
it's like a slow motion movement of the
economy. It's that's kind of what I feel
like. It's like imagine you you've got
somebody running a marathon to a
recession,
but they're literally moving like this.
And then every time it's like, oh, his
hands all the way at the top. He's
getting closer.
Oh, wait for the next data set next
month. Oh, what's it going to be? Like,
we're moving so freaking slowly. It's
It's tough to to make big bets, I feel
like, in options right now. A lot easier
to just go, "Hey, buy the dip on great
quality companies that you can own for
the very long term on um uh you know,
stocks that you feel like are going to
be part of the next cycle." Like I
personally believe this next cycle is
going to be one where either way whether
we have uh really bad jobs data and we
go into a recession and rates go back to
zerp which is the um zero interest rate
policy which will be a huge refinancing
in GDP boom by the way. Uh huge for real
estate stocks which I think is why
Warren Buffett is investing in real
estate. We just need to get Warren
Buffett investing in house hack too. I
don't think he knows about it otherwise
he would. I I I'm sure. But uh but
anyway uh or we just normalize because
that hump, you know, this this hump
right here, that green hump goes away
and then we normalize our rates. Like
either way, I feel like the next cycle
and this is what we're we're choosing,
you know, stocks based on uh is in in
the meet Kevin membership is this these
next 10 stocks that we're buying. Well,
the next six because we've already
picked four of them. The next six that
we're buying, they're all based on
what's going to do well in our opinion,
no guarantees of course, in a soft
landing where rates just slowly come
down and the Fed policy rates go to 2
and a half or 3%. Or what does well in
that case, but even better if rates go
down to, you know, 2%, 1% or zero. So
that's the next regime to look at is a
lower interest rate regime either way
because I don't see stagflation as an
issue. Stagflation is really going to
come from uh a wage price spiral which
so far we're seeing no evidence that
people are actually able to demand
significant wage increases. It's
probable that uh artificial intelligence
is limiting people's ability to uh you
know get pay increases uh and and that
really limits the impact of inflation or
stagflation at least. But it still means
we're doing this slow slog towards
either a soft landing or recession.
Nobody knows when we're going to have
that final decision on on you know
what's coming or not. Uh but what we do
recognize is jobs growth on average is
low, but it's still slightly above our
recessionary numbers. And that's what
the QCW gave us this morning. 70,000 job
creation rate over the last 12 months
ending in March is still above the 50
typical threshold where you generally
start getting concerned about a
recession. You know, we've got an
average over the last 30 uh uh 4 months
that puts us at 37,000 jobs. If we end
up getting these revisions on top of
those, that puts us at -39,000 jobs,
then then we're basically in a
recession, right? If you carry those
revisions over, but we're not going to
have those revisions for another 6
months. So, we don't know. And so, as
with most recessions, you don't really
know until you're at like
like you don't really know that you're
in a recession until you're at the end
of it. And that's usually when the big
shock hits, which I think we are
shockprone in markets. We know we're
shock prone because the 102 yield curve
is sitting at above 50. Above 50 is a
shockprone level, but it's chilling out
a little bit. Well, down at 54 today.
So, I think that's the way to look at
this is you look for great quality
companies that you can own over the long
term that you could buy the dip on, but
they should be plays that that are
valuable in an environment that does
well when rates come down uh and
potentially when rates come down really
fast. I like I I really I have not
invested in this one. I'll be
transparent, but I like Warren Buffett's
play on Pool that Pool is that warehouse
distributor or or well they're a
distributor for pool equipment, pool
pumps and other ones. And I actually
think it's a really interesting company.
uh you know, we could take a quick peek
at it, but I think it's an interesting
play because really, if rates come down,
homeowners who have a lot of equity in
their homes, especially in markets like
in California, they're probably going to
get home equity lines of credit at now
lower rates. And what do people usually
do when they get a home equity line of
credit? They buy a boat, they pay off
their credit cards, and then they go
refill up those credit cards, which is
good for consumer spending, or they
renovate their home. Some people will
buy rental property which then they go
renovate the rental property, right?
When people do renovations, it's it's a
contributor to GDP. Like I think when
house hack I mean we're buying again,
you know, we've bought like five or six
homes just in the last like 14 days.
When we go spend, you know, 50 grand on
a renovation, that's 50 grand that was
sitting in a bank account, you know,
earning, you know, 5% or 4% or whatever.
Uh and it goes into the economy with a
multiplier effect. you know, painters
get work, flooring companies get work,
Lowe's gets work, the contractor supply
warehouses we use, they get work,
whatever. You know, the local lumber
place gets work for baseboards,
whatever. Like, everybody wins when
people spend money. And so, I think
that's why Warren Buffett looks at uh
pool uh the in, you know, investor docs
on pool over here. Sales are basically
flat year-over-year, but that's flat in
a high interest rate environment. Like,
I'm not here to chill pool. I'm just
here to say this is an example of of the
the logic people are using to make
investment decisions right now because
they're not trying to think of what's
doing well right now. They're trying to
think of what's the next cycle going to
bring us. And so you've got flat
revenues uh and and gross profit at pool
year-over-year
in a high interest rate environment.
Well, what direction does this go if
rates come down by a normalization and
spawn more refinancing or purchasing
activity or heliloc activity or rates
plummet? I mean, obviously, if you go
into a recession, you know, 10% more of
our workforce is going to be unemployed.
Our unemployment rate will go from 4% to
14%. And so, you'll have more
unemployment. But the people who are
employed,
some of them are gonna be like, "Damn,
rates are so cheap, honey. Let's go buy
a pool. let's go build a pool or
whatever. Uh, and I think that's what
Warren Buffett is seeing here by wanting
to invest in home builders and the pool
corporation. Flat in the worst interest
rate time uh implies good uh in in a
lower interest rate time. And I don't
know, maybe that's too too overly
simplified, but I look at this company,
they they don't exactly have like the
best balance sheet. So, I'm also
somewhat surprised because I know Warren
Buffett generally starts his analysis by
looking at the balance sheet. You know,
I've got $1.2 billion of long-term debt.
I've got bills to pay uh outside of I
don't even have deferreds over here.
I've got bills to pay of $800 million in
the next 12 months. Uh I have like no
cash. I've got $83 million in cash, but
I've got $1.3 billion in inventory. So,
I have to sell inventory to pay my
bills, which is fine. It's a
distributor, so of course they're going
to do that. But it's not a surprise that
they are borrowing. So I don't love the
balance sheet. That's I think that's
what's been keeping me away from wanting
to buy it. But I look at this. They're
borrowing on their credit line. You
know, net borrowing right here is about
what? $150 million borrowed right here.
And then maybe another 150 million
borrowed right here. So I've got about
net borrowing of about $300 million.
They gave about 250 of that away in
dividends and stock. That's what Buffett
likes as well. They're rebying the
stock. They're issuing dividends. Uh but
they're literally borrowing to do that.
Meanwhile, they're just chilling out lax
and lax and all cool and all waiting for
interest rates to come down and their
earnings are flat in the high interest
rate environment. So, it makes sense.
Now, in terms of an actual valuation for
the company, uh distributor, it's pretty
labor intensive. I probably would only
give this like a 1.67 peg price to
earnings growth ratio. Uh so, let's see
what they're trading for now. Uh let's
see. Pool pool investor relations.
This is the kind of analysis we like
doing in our course member live streams
as well, by the way. Uh almost a daily
basis. uh we're doing I mean we are
doing analysis on a daily basis but very
frequently we'll also do fundamental
analysis we did this morning uh we did
NBIS remember you you're in the course
member membership you get lifetime
access to all that analysis and you
could always re a lot of people go back
and play it back on 2x since we have the
recorded archive of it all but um pool
right now is trading
uh let's see here we've got a earnings
of about 11 bucks for the year ending
December number
and pool stock right now is trading for
about 321
divided by 11. That puts me at about a
29 times and then I've got growth. These
are current Wall Street growth numbers
which could be low. I've got growth over
the next four years of 11.5%.
Which implies a PEG ratio of
2.5. So it's definitely on the expensive
side. Like for me, I'd rather I
personally think they'll probably grow
more than this, but if they grow at 11%
on earnings and they've got EPS of about
11 uh and I give them a 1.67 peg, this
should be like a $200 stock. You know,
it's trading for 320 right now. So, like
it's too expensive for my buy level.
But, uh if I increase the growth rate
because I think we're going to go into a
refinance boom and I give them maybe a
20%. Okay. Okay. Well, if I give them a
20 uh at 1.67,
they should be about a $367 stock. So,
it's all going to come down to that
earnings growth. And I wouldn't be
surprised if the reason why Buffett went
for this is because he thinks that
either he doesn't trust the Wall Street
estimates or he thinks that the
company's going to grow more so than uh
you know, than than people expect, which
is possible. and again reiterates that
that focus on um expecting some kind of
like refinance boom or or whatever. Uh
that's that's my take on on that. But I
mean that's that's broadly what we pay
attention to uh when we're looking at
analysis. But broadly market is moving
in a relatively benign manner today. Uh
you know you've got some pain in even
pool down 3% in some of the real estate
plays. uh partly because of this bond
yield moving up rather than down like
what we've been seeing. So very
interesting, but uh it is what it is. So
we'll see. Probably getting ready for
CPI PPI tomorrow, the next day. I'll be
live on those at 5:30 in the morning. So
look forward to seeing you there. And
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>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great
to get your take.
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