Tesla Optimus SECRETS STOLEN — Tesla sues!!!
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So Tesla is now suing a Optimus
engineer, an Optimus engineer who used
to work at Tesla, who basically stole
trade secrets and then immediately
launched his own robotics hand company
potentially using Tesla's trade secrets
to run his own startup on the backs of
Tesla's data. At least that is what a
new Tesla lawsuit alleges. Now we have
the actual lawsuit. When you look at the
actual details of the lawsuit, it's kind
of like, dude, how dumb could you be? At
least based on what Tesla's alleging,
right? These are allegations. Remember,
in a lawsuit, it's allegations,
allegations. But still, take a look at
this. Tesla lawsuit says, "Former
engineer stole secrets for robotic
startups uh for robotic startup." Here's
a Reuters article. Here's a Doomberg
article. Uh and less than a week after
he left Tesla, Proception was
incorporated. And within just five
months, Proception claimed to have
successfully built an advanced humanoid
robotic hand.
A hand that bore a strikingly similar
resemblance to the designs that Lee
worked on while at Tesla. That's
interesting uh and unfortunate for those
who are Chinese, given that this appears
to be a Chinese name. Zong J Lee.
I'm gonna go with Chinese here. But
anyway, uh nicknamed Jay, who worked at
Tesla between August 22 and September
2024.
He's now being sued by Tesla, rightfully
so. But I want you to see the actual
lawsuit because some of these
allegations,
it just makes me wonder like, bro, how
dumb can you be? But anyway, here we go.
So, uh, Lee was employed from at Tesla
between these days. However, on July
1st, Lee was reassigned to the Optimus
chest computer team. Following the
assignment, Lee did not have any further
responsibilities related to Optimus
sensors or hands. Following Lee's
reassignment from the hand sensor team
to the chess computer team, Lee without
authorization accessed highly sensitive
and confidential Optimus hand related
files that he no longer needed access to
from his Tesla desktop computer and at
least two smartphones. Lee improperly
accessed and downloaded Optimus related
hand files
even though he wasn't even working on
hand motion. And he downloaded source
code related to Optimus hand motion
actuators and confidential tactile
sensor information. So like fingertip uh
you know sensing information. On July
13th, in violation of Tesla's mobile
device policy, Lee sura petitiously
logged into Tesla's SharePoint using a
web browser on an iPhone, downloading
two files to the iPhone from the Gen 4
forearm FT sensing SharePoint. These
documents containing sensor diagrams and
specifications related to Optimus' hand
motion and actu actuators were squarely
outside of Lee's scope of employment at
the time. July 15th accessed working
document again on the hand. July 18th
and 23rd and 30th repeatedly accessed
internal spreadsheet on Optimus material
strength
material and sensor design and data
calculations. finger and data cycling on
29 1 and two of August.
A 353 page slide internal PowerPoint on
tactile sensing index robot hand motion
and tension sketches and diagrams as
well as feasibility studies, finger
renderings. And days before his
anticipated departure date of September
6th, Lee accessed a dashboard that
tracks current updates, tickets, and
next steps pertaining to the development
of the Optimus Hand and roadmap
milestones. He also accessed a
PowerPoint that contains proprietary
research and analysis, benchmarks,
performance targets, equations,
sketches, for flexible sensor designs
for parts of the humanoid. On September
11th and 12th, Lee accessed confidential
documents containing requirements,
measurements, and the strategy related
to Optimus sensors as well as design
targets and technology uh as well as uh
films, layouts, and architectures.
On the 13th, Lee's last day,
Lee accessed multiple files on his final
day of employment on various internal
development and testing scenarios.
On the 13th, the day he stopped using
his Tesla issued laptop as of 2 p.m., he
continued to access Tesla's data on his
phone until 8:55 p.m. During the two,
And this is where I'm just like, man,
how dumb can you be, dude? Like, this is
this is so dumb. Ready for this?
During the two months prior to leading
up to his departure, Lee also conducted
voluminous online searches from his desk
Tesla desktop computer related to
humanoid robotic hands as well as
searches related to venture capital
funding and venture capital startup
resources such as Kadan Capital Robotics
and Stan Fraud start misspelled. uh
startup resources. His scheme was in
motion at least as early as July 2024
as the following searches show he was
seeking funding for his secret venture
at the time. Does YC fund companies? I
think he meant VC, but okay. Apparently,
he doesn't know how to type very well.
Bay Area Robotics Incubator. Does
incubator provide funding?
[Laughter]
uh defendant uh then you know opened up
Proception
6 days after he left Tesla and only 5
months after its founding March of this
year. Proception touted that it had
successfully built advanced humanoid
robotic hands. Proception also claimed
in its coming 9 months it would make the
first shipments to research customers.
absence specific knowhow. This is
improbably fast for a development cycle.
Basically Tesla's like, "Hey, look at
the YouTube videos demonstrating
Proception's hand functionality and
compare it to what Tesla shows." In
other words, like the guy basically just
scammed and skimmed off uh you know
Tesla's stuff and is now using it to
fund his own VC or maybe not necessarily
fund his own VC but try to get funding
for his own VC. Uh so here's the
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moment here, but it's it's kind of like
how could you use Tesla's internal stuff
to run these searches? Like, yeah, that
actually does look pretty. I mean, you
know, Optimus has has done very similar
things here.
It's actually honestly kind of a really
cool pitch for Tesla's technology
because it just shows you how good Tesla
stuff is and how important their
research is because it shows that you
could sort of replicate
this. But unfortunately this is also the
kind of stuff that like saboturs in like
China or whatever can get their hands
on. I mean the guy was Chinese after
all. Uh and then what you know then then
the Chinese robotic companies that
Amazon wants to partner with to deliver
your packages. Well they end up you know
using the IP to manufacture the stuff a
lot cheaper than we can. So I you know I
and that's why I think I I you know many
people understand Donald Trump's
frustration with China and stealing our
intellectual property. Uh, and oh,
that's an interesting clip right at the
end. Hold on, that video went away. They
they brag about how they have a team of
just six people. Uh, and and how quickly
they were able to develop this, which I
think just sort of like feeds into the
argument that they stole this data from
Tesla. Let's try to look at that again
here. That was right
there. Development time 3 months. Coke
zero consumed 612 cans team size sixth
hardware
gen first half of the year maybe H1 or
hand one wow yeah I mean I don't know
you got to say uh this is remarkably
similar to uh what Tesla does with its
hand uh actuators I mean let's jump into
the uh Gen too. This is This is already
a year old, right? But uh let's look at
you just we get any Yeah, you could kind
of see. Yeah, there you go.
Remarkably similar. And this is a year
old technology now, right? I mean, he
ninjaed this stuff back in July and
September. So, it makes sense that his
video would be similar to the Tesla
technology that was available in July or
September of last year. see this these
hand motions and movements very very
similar to what you saw in that
Proception video. Uh very interesting.
So I mean honestly good on Tesla here to
sue this individual. Tesla did attach
multiple exhibits to their um lawsuit,
but I will say most of the exhibits
relate to internal
uh disclosures, NDAs, like there was
nothing really exciting. Uh this will
all likely come up in discovery, so not
really worth showing beyond the actual
complaint itself, which is here.
the confidential
products obtained uh were based on
Tesla's investigation through date that
he improperly acquired the information.
Remember he was moved to the chest unit
uh from the arm unit. What are they
asking for here? Uh let's see here. They
are asking for oh they believe the
damages would be in excess of $75,000.
are not asking for something. I my guess
is they're going to ask or demand an
injunction against this guy's ability to
operate. Right. So, let's see what their
their prayer for relief is.
Uh prayer
uh is a judgment in favor of Tesla for
all the claims compensatory and damages.
Prejudgment awards here an order
temporarily and preliminary in joining
Lee and all his agents in the lawsuit.
That's fine. an order, excuse me, blah
blah blah. Transfer legal title to Tesla
for all IP, all costs.
It basic. I'm surprised there's not like
a a a demand for an injunction in here.
Maybe that was a separate filing because
typically, you know, something like
this, you'd also rapidly say like, hey,
like stop them from being able to
operate. But that looks pretty damning.
And so that was a lawsuit that uh was
basically just filed. And it just shows
you the
oopsy dupsies of how like critical it is
to protect your intellectual property.
The filing actually looks like it was
filed last night given that the filing
date here does say 611. Uh so here you
can see some of the involved parties and
these are this is a law firm apparently
representing
uh multiple law firms here representing
Tesla. So it doesn't look like they're
using their internal uh although they
have attorneys over here as well. So
they've got an external law firm and the
internal lawyers. So we've got a lot of
um lawyers involved here all against uh
J and Proception Delaware Corporation.
Yeah, it doesn't look good, Jay. I think
you you done you done effed up over
here. I mean, again, it's a lawsuit and
it's allegation. We'll see what his
defenses are, but if they have records
showing these, you know, sort of
accesses of documents that weren't
necessary for him to hit, they'll look
good. Uh Tesla's dropping a little bit
today, down about 126. We did have a
little bit of a rally after positive
comments from Trump uh that he likes
Tesla. Uh, you know, no negative
comments on the press briefing this
morning with Trump, which is good for
for Tesla in the near term. Uh,
obviously broadly, we still have these
issues with um the Chinese trade war uh
and just tariffs more broadly, but but
at least in the near term, uh more
optimism just coming out of that White
House about Elon, hoping hoping that
there isn't like quiet retaliation
happening. That said, you know, the
California EV mandate could be a little
like the removal of that via uh
congressional resolution that was just
Trump, assigned by Trump, those could
sort of weaken some of the uh you know
bull thesis longer term for Tesla
vehicles, although that may not matter
much if we're going to a robo taxi uh
you know platform anyway. And then of
course uh the big beautiful bill killing
the $7,500 EV tax credit. Again though
may not matter if in the future the
intention for Tesla is that people won't
buy cars anyway that they're just going
to use robo taxis. We'll see. I
personally look forward to robo taxis
because I'm tired of getting into like
weirdo Uber rides where they want to
either nearly kill you because they're
really bad at driving
or they don't want to run the AC because
they're too too cheap to run the AC so
you're sweating your butt off back
there. and when you ask them to turn it
up, they turn it up like half a notch.
Uh or they insist on driving with the
windows down the whole time or they try
to sell you God. Uh or
I don't know, whatever other awkward
business cards they're handing out. And
it it's like the the experience
consistency in an Uber is like zero.
There should be like a rule like things
not to do when you're an Uber driver.
Uh, and there are allegations that Uber
drivers can get their reviews and
ratings reset every so often from Uber.
So, like if you got a bunch of onestar
reviews and your rating goes down to
like a four, they might just like reset
you to like a 4.9 star review and give
you another chance. These are rumors.
I've I've just heard those rumors. I
don't know if they're true, but like I'm
tired of Ubers because of that. Like I I
get frustrated when we take an Uber. I
mean, then we use Ubers, you know,
because when we're traveling, sometimes
it doesn't make sense to get a rental
car uh in a particular uh market, but uh
or or for for the use case that we have.
But uh
I look forward to robo taxis.
Anyway, go get them, Tesla.
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