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Tesla Optimus SECRETS STOLEN — Tesla sues!!!

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So Tesla is now suing a Optimus

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engineer, an Optimus engineer who used

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to work at Tesla, who basically stole

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trade secrets and then immediately

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launched his own robotics hand company

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potentially using Tesla's trade secrets

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to run his own startup on the backs of

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Tesla's data. At least that is what a

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new Tesla lawsuit alleges. Now we have

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the actual lawsuit. When you look at the

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actual details of the lawsuit, it's kind

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of like, dude, how dumb could you be? At

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least based on what Tesla's alleging,

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right? These are allegations. Remember,

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in a lawsuit, it's allegations,

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allegations. But still, take a look at

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this. Tesla lawsuit says, "Former

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engineer stole secrets for robotic

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startups uh for robotic startup." Here's

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a Reuters article. Here's a Doomberg

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article. Uh and less than a week after

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he left Tesla, Proception was

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incorporated. And within just five

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months, Proception claimed to have

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successfully built an advanced humanoid

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robotic hand.

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A hand that bore a strikingly similar

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resemblance to the designs that Lee

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worked on while at Tesla. That's

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interesting uh and unfortunate for those

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who are Chinese, given that this appears

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to be a Chinese name. Zong J Lee.

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I'm gonna go with Chinese here. But

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anyway, uh nicknamed Jay, who worked at

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Tesla between August 22 and September

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2024.

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He's now being sued by Tesla, rightfully

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so. But I want you to see the actual

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lawsuit because some of these

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allegations,

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it just makes me wonder like, bro, how

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dumb can you be? But anyway, here we go.

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So, uh, Lee was employed from at Tesla

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between these days. However, on July

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1st, Lee was reassigned to the Optimus

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chest computer team. Following the

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assignment, Lee did not have any further

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responsibilities related to Optimus

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sensors or hands. Following Lee's

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reassignment from the hand sensor team

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to the chess computer team, Lee without

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authorization accessed highly sensitive

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and confidential Optimus hand related

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files that he no longer needed access to

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from his Tesla desktop computer and at

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least two smartphones. Lee improperly

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accessed and downloaded Optimus related

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hand files

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even though he wasn't even working on

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hand motion. And he downloaded source

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code related to Optimus hand motion

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actuators and confidential tactile

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sensor information. So like fingertip uh

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you know sensing information. On July

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13th, in violation of Tesla's mobile

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device policy, Lee sura petitiously

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logged into Tesla's SharePoint using a

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web browser on an iPhone, downloading

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two files to the iPhone from the Gen 4

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forearm FT sensing SharePoint. These

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documents containing sensor diagrams and

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specifications related to Optimus' hand

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motion and actu actuators were squarely

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outside of Lee's scope of employment at

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the time. July 15th accessed working

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document again on the hand. July 18th

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and 23rd and 30th repeatedly accessed

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internal spreadsheet on Optimus material

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strength

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material and sensor design and data

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calculations. finger and data cycling on

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29 1 and two of August.

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A 353 page slide internal PowerPoint on

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tactile sensing index robot hand motion

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and tension sketches and diagrams as

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well as feasibility studies, finger

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renderings. And days before his

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anticipated departure date of September

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6th, Lee accessed a dashboard that

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tracks current updates, tickets, and

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next steps pertaining to the development

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of the Optimus Hand and roadmap

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milestones. He also accessed a

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PowerPoint that contains proprietary

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research and analysis, benchmarks,

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performance targets, equations,

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sketches, for flexible sensor designs

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for parts of the humanoid. On September

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11th and 12th, Lee accessed confidential

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documents containing requirements,

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measurements, and the strategy related

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to Optimus sensors as well as design

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targets and technology uh as well as uh

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films, layouts, and architectures.

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On the 13th, Lee's last day,

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Lee accessed multiple files on his final

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day of employment on various internal

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development and testing scenarios.

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On the 13th, the day he stopped using

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his Tesla issued laptop as of 2 p.m., he

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continued to access Tesla's data on his

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phone until 8:55 p.m. During the two,

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And this is where I'm just like, man,

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how dumb can you be, dude? Like, this is

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this is so dumb. Ready for this?

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During the two months prior to leading

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up to his departure, Lee also conducted

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voluminous online searches from his desk

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Tesla desktop computer related to

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humanoid robotic hands as well as

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searches related to venture capital

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funding and venture capital startup

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resources such as Kadan Capital Robotics

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and Stan Fraud start misspelled. uh

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startup resources. His scheme was in

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motion at least as early as July 2024

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as the following searches show he was

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seeking funding for his secret venture

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at the time. Does YC fund companies? I

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think he meant VC, but okay. Apparently,

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he doesn't know how to type very well.

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Bay Area Robotics Incubator. Does

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incubator provide funding?

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[Laughter]

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uh defendant uh then you know opened up

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Proception

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6 days after he left Tesla and only 5

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months after its founding March of this

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year. Proception touted that it had

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successfully built advanced humanoid

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robotic hands. Proception also claimed

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in its coming 9 months it would make the

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first shipments to research customers.

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absence specific knowhow. This is

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improbably fast for a development cycle.

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Basically Tesla's like, "Hey, look at

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the YouTube videos demonstrating

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Proception's hand functionality and

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compare it to what Tesla shows." In

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other words, like the guy basically just

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scammed and skimmed off uh you know

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Tesla's stuff and is now using it to

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fund his own VC or maybe not necessarily

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fund his own VC but try to get funding

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for his own VC. Uh so here's the

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proception video. Hey, quick reminder.

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of the upside in my real estate startup,

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valuations. Diversify away from most

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tariff risk. Diversify away from the

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craziness of the treasuries market,

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especially with these Moody's

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downgrades. you diversify into

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fixerupper real estate, which is what I

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believe I do best. This is my baby. I

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call it my little Birkshire Hathaway.

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Now, maybe I'm biased, but I've got over

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$5 million of my own money invested into

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this business, and I'm so excited for

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what I think we're going to be able to

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do with this business over not just the

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next years, but the next decades. So, if

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you want to invest in my real estate

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startup, go to househack.com and know

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that I will do everything for this

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business in my power to make sure we can

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do the absolute best that we can. Make

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sure to read the solicitations and

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disclosures on the house hack website

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because there is risk with every

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investment. I'll play that in just a

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moment here, but it's it's kind of like

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how could you use Tesla's internal stuff

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to run these searches? Like, yeah, that

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actually does look pretty. I mean, you

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know, Optimus has has done very similar

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things here.

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It's actually honestly kind of a really

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cool pitch for Tesla's technology

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because it just shows you how good Tesla

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stuff is and how important their

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research is because it shows that you

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could sort of replicate

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this. But unfortunately this is also the

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kind of stuff that like saboturs in like

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China or whatever can get their hands

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on. I mean the guy was Chinese after

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all. Uh and then what you know then then

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the Chinese robotic companies that

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Amazon wants to partner with to deliver

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your packages. Well they end up you know

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using the IP to manufacture the stuff a

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lot cheaper than we can. So I you know I

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and that's why I think I I you know many

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people understand Donald Trump's

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frustration with China and stealing our

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intellectual property. Uh, and oh,

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that's an interesting clip right at the

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end. Hold on, that video went away. They

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they brag about how they have a team of

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just six people. Uh, and and how quickly

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they were able to develop this, which I

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think just sort of like feeds into the

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argument that they stole this data from

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Tesla. Let's try to look at that again

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here. That was right

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there. Development time 3 months. Coke

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zero consumed 612 cans team size sixth

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hardware

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gen first half of the year maybe H1 or

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hand one wow yeah I mean I don't know

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you got to say uh this is remarkably

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similar to uh what Tesla does with its

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hand uh actuators I mean let's jump into

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the uh Gen too. This is This is already

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a year old, right? But uh let's look at

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you just we get any Yeah, you could kind

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of see. Yeah, there you go.

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Remarkably similar. And this is a year

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old technology now, right? I mean, he

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ninjaed this stuff back in July and

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September. So, it makes sense that his

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video would be similar to the Tesla

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technology that was available in July or

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September of last year. see this these

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hand motions and movements very very

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similar to what you saw in that

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Proception video. Uh very interesting.

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So I mean honestly good on Tesla here to

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sue this individual. Tesla did attach

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multiple exhibits to their um lawsuit,

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but I will say most of the exhibits

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relate to internal

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uh disclosures, NDAs, like there was

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nothing really exciting. Uh this will

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all likely come up in discovery, so not

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really worth showing beyond the actual

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complaint itself, which is here.

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the confidential

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products obtained uh were based on

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Tesla's investigation through date that

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he improperly acquired the information.

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Remember he was moved to the chest unit

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uh from the arm unit. What are they

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asking for here? Uh let's see here. They

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are asking for oh they believe the

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damages would be in excess of $75,000.

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are not asking for something. I my guess

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is they're going to ask or demand an

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injunction against this guy's ability to

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operate. Right. So, let's see what their

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their prayer for relief is.

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Uh prayer

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uh is a judgment in favor of Tesla for

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all the claims compensatory and damages.

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Prejudgment awards here an order

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temporarily and preliminary in joining

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Lee and all his agents in the lawsuit.

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That's fine. an order, excuse me, blah

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blah blah. Transfer legal title to Tesla

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for all IP, all costs.

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It basic. I'm surprised there's not like

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a a a demand for an injunction in here.

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Maybe that was a separate filing because

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typically, you know, something like

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this, you'd also rapidly say like, hey,

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like stop them from being able to

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operate. But that looks pretty damning.

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And so that was a lawsuit that uh was

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basically just filed. And it just shows

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you the

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oopsy dupsies of how like critical it is

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to protect your intellectual property.

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The filing actually looks like it was

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filed last night given that the filing

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date here does say 611. Uh so here you

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can see some of the involved parties and

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these are this is a law firm apparently

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representing

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uh multiple law firms here representing

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Tesla. So it doesn't look like they're

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using their internal uh although they

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have attorneys over here as well. So

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they've got an external law firm and the

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internal lawyers. So we've got a lot of

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um lawyers involved here all against uh

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J and Proception Delaware Corporation.

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Yeah, it doesn't look good, Jay. I think

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you you done you done effed up over

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here. I mean, again, it's a lawsuit and

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it's allegation. We'll see what his

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defenses are, but if they have records

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showing these, you know, sort of

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accesses of documents that weren't

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necessary for him to hit, they'll look

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good. Uh Tesla's dropping a little bit

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today, down about 126. We did have a

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little bit of a rally after positive

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comments from Trump uh that he likes

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Tesla. Uh, you know, no negative

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comments on the press briefing this

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morning with Trump, which is good for

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for Tesla in the near term. Uh,

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obviously broadly, we still have these

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issues with um the Chinese trade war uh

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and just tariffs more broadly, but but

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at least in the near term, uh more

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optimism just coming out of that White

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House about Elon, hoping hoping that

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there isn't like quiet retaliation

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happening. That said, you know, the

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California EV mandate could be a little

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like the removal of that via uh

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congressional resolution that was just

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Trump, assigned by Trump, those could

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sort of weaken some of the uh you know

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bull thesis longer term for Tesla

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vehicles, although that may not matter

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much if we're going to a robo taxi uh

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you know platform anyway. And then of

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course uh the big beautiful bill killing

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the $7,500 EV tax credit. Again though

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may not matter if in the future the

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intention for Tesla is that people won't

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buy cars anyway that they're just going

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to use robo taxis. We'll see. I

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personally look forward to robo taxis

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because I'm tired of getting into like

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weirdo Uber rides where they want to

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either nearly kill you because they're

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really bad at driving

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or they don't want to run the AC because

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they're too too cheap to run the AC so

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you're sweating your butt off back

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there. and when you ask them to turn it

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up, they turn it up like half a notch.

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Uh or they insist on driving with the

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windows down the whole time or they try

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to sell you God. Uh or

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I don't know, whatever other awkward

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business cards they're handing out. And

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it it's like the the experience

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consistency in an Uber is like zero.

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There should be like a rule like things

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not to do when you're an Uber driver.

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Uh, and there are allegations that Uber

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drivers can get their reviews and

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ratings reset every so often from Uber.

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So, like if you got a bunch of onestar

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reviews and your rating goes down to

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like a four, they might just like reset

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you to like a 4.9 star review and give

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you another chance. These are rumors.

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I've I've just heard those rumors. I

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don't know if they're true, but like I'm

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tired of Ubers because of that. Like I I

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get frustrated when we take an Uber. I

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mean, then we use Ubers, you know,

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because when we're traveling, sometimes

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it doesn't make sense to get a rental

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car uh in a particular uh market, but uh

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or or for for the use case that we have.

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But uh

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I look forward to robo taxis.

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Anyway, go get them, Tesla.

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