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Well, it looks like the government
shutdown is upon us and we might not get
a lot of different data from the Bureau
of Labor Statistics, which is really
critical this week. Yesterday, we heard
the BLS tell us that they will stop
reporting any government data in any
statistical work if the government shuts
down. The government is now less than 24
hours away from a shutdown. And this is
really unfortunate because this week we
do have some catalysts which we were
hoping would be bullish catalysts. As
you can see uh on screen here you've got
job openings that came in this morning
which we'll talk about in just a moment
because Nick T has some charts for us on
these. We can also see that uh the ADP
private survey which is expected to come
out tomorrow set up a survey of about 50
to 51k 51 on the Doomberg and 40 uh
sorry 50 over here. And then we can see
the initial uh claims data and the
non-farm payrolls data. These are the
ones that we got to pay attention to
because both of these could end up
getting halted if the US government
shuts down. Both of them. Just minutes
ago, the Bureau of Labor Statistics came
out and reiterated that they will not
release unemployment claims data on
Thursday uh if the government shuts
down. It is likely that they also will
not release payrolls data because that's
what they said yesterday. Yesterday they
said we won't be releasing payrolls
data. Today they're saying we're not
going to release unemployment claims
data. So it sounds like if the
government shuts down we're not going to
get anything. Now yesterday I'm going to
save you the 20 minutes from actually
watching it. But yesterday we had Jay
Vance flanked by Vbot uh and Thoon and
Johnson uh come out and basically say
we're heading towards a shutdown. Uh
that's because JD Vance says that
Democrats want medical funding for
illegal immigrants.
This is not what Democrats are looking
for, but this is what Republicans are
using to brand the Democrats hold up to
make it look unpopular for Democrats to
cause the shutdown, which of course
would just lead to Donald Trump being
able to fire as many people as he
possibly can, which is exactly what
Donald Trump wants to do. So my
anticipation is we are almost certainly
going into a shutdown because it gives
Donald Trump what he wants. We already
know this. We saw the Washington Post
article and we also see the Bloomberg
headline this morning. Trump threatens a
lot of firings as deadlines loom. Yes,
we know Trump wants to do this because
he could blame Democrats for it. Look,
remember, Democrats are looking for
extensions of the ACA, the Obamacare
credits, especially now that we're at
medical enrollment time. Republicans are
saying, "Let's deal with that later."
But the problem is at the beginning of
enrollment time is when you're going to
start seeing price changes and
enrollment time starts roughly now for
insuranceances where they start building
out their pricing. Most enrollments
really done in November. So if we kick
the can down the road until after the
holidays, it'll be too late and people
lock in higher health care costs for the
next year through the Affordable Care
Act. That said, you've also got
Democrats who are looking for funding to
be returned to Medicaid. Now, Medicaid
funding, somewhere around a trillion
dollars of Medicaid funding was cut in
the big beautiful bill. That's because,
you know, the big beautiful bill is
estimated at like a $3.3 trillion cost.
It would have been like $4.3 trillion if
they didn't cut Medicaid. So, Medicaid
really helped reduce the appearance of
the cost of the big beautiful bill. So,
of course, you know, Republicans are
like, "Oh, we don't want that back in
cuz that's just going to make our tax
cuts look more expensive." Okay, so
that's where the stand still is right
now. Republicans are like, "Just give us
a clean resolution. We'll debate all
these other things later." Well, the
problem is we know that Republicans
don't need to debate anything with
Democrats. So, Democrats take the
opportunity that they can get, which is
a government shutdown negotiation where
you need 60 votes to keep the government
funded basically, and they use that as
an opportunity to try to leverage and
get what they want and create some at
least some sign of backbone for
midterms. That's also what this is about
is standing up for what each side wants
to posture for midterms. Problem is, I
really think Donald Trump wants a
shutdown. Now, what is that good for and
what is it not good for? Well, that's
exactly what we're going to break down.
Uh because there's some data, frankly,
on this. Uh just worth knowing as we go
into this. Uh if the government shuts
down, we end up hiding unemployment
claims data. We hide jobs data that
comes out on Friday. So, we're really
left with just the ADP numbers for
tomorrow. It lets VA fire people or
vote, I guess, is how you say his name.
Fire people, which is what he said.
That's what he outlined from project
2025. That's what he wants. It prevents
spending on Obamacare and Medicaid,
which is what Trump wants. It basically
gives Trump exactly what he wants,
smaller government. So, a shutdown is
kind of perfect for him. Now, it comes
at a time where we have some economic
weakness. I mean, look, the Chicago
Business Barometer dipped in September,
but it's not just that it dipped in
September, and this is seen even though
it's a survey of the Chicago area. The
the company says they're a leading
national indicator, that's how they
pitch their own survey. So, it's
probably a little bit biased in that
sense, but keep in mind what they say
here. They say that uh the largest
proportion of respondents is now
reporting the smallest level of
employments of employment growth since
the immediate aftermath of the 2008
financial crisis. And usually after a
financial crisis, that's when you have
the worst job numbers. And they're
basically saying we have the worst job
numbers right now in this leading
indicator per them since the financial
crisis.
uh and that we are seeing a decline
driven by quote another sharp slowdown
in new orders alongside declines in
supplier deliveries and employment. So
basically you're seeing parts of the
economy that are sending these warning
signs of hey like things are slowing
down. Trump doesn't want anything to
look like things are slowing down. So
it's beneficial to him to have a delay
of some of these unemployment surveys.
Look at under and understand how these
government shutdowns work. Congress gets
partially closed. Federal courts say
open. The housing department is
partially closed. The Treasury
Department is partially closed. The IRS
is mostly closed during a government
shutdown. Keep in mind like you have
personal tax extensions due October
15th. Like this is this is tax season.
You just had corporations that had
quarterly earnings due on September
15th. You had uh uh corporate uh reports
due September 15th for a lot of
companies. A lot of uh reporting
companies have uh six-month reporting
requirements that are due today,
although that's more SEC for September
30th. So, you got a lot going on. The
Federal Reserve stays open. Small
businesses uh Small Business
Administration partially closed. Museums
and part parks partially closed. So, you
know, government shutdown is going to
hit some things. Now, what like how does
the market usually respond? Well,
Doomberg suggests that usually in a
government shutdown, you get mixed
effects. Goldman says this as well. One
thing that seems to be a consensus is
that yields tend to go down. So take a
look at this chart right here. This is
the 10-year Treasury yield change from
day before shutdown. So this is the last
day of open. And you can see that yields
tend and they're volatile, but yields
tend to trend down after a government
shutdown. Even when you reopen, yields
tend to just move a little bit lower.
Now the rationale for that is associated
with fear. People are fearful uh and so
they move to potentially the safety of
bonds. This comes at the same time that
you have fears that the labor market is
softening a lot more than expected. Now
in fairness this morning we got Jolts
data that was pretty good. Well at least
decently good. The Jolts data was along
expectations maybe even slightly better
than expectations. But Nick T gave us a
warning. He said, "Look at the ratio of
job openings to unemployed workers." And
when you look at this ratio, you
actually find that we're dropping below
the one level on the 3-month moving
average. The Fed is targeting one. We
want the labor market to be such that if
we have 7 million unemployed people, we
have 7 million job openings. That's a
1:1 ratio. The problem is we now sit at
977
uh 978
basically 978. And we can calculate that
by using the household survey of uh
7,384,000
unemployed individuals in the household
survey, which is literally lifted from
this chart right here. You can get all
this data, by the way, that's written
down in the Meet Kevin app. It's
literally free. Download the Me Kevin
app, press data, and you can see all of
this. Okay? Uh and then you if when you
divide these two, you get a ratio that's
below one now. So that's how many people
are unemployed by job openings. So the
job openings number is slowing. That
might be why markets are pricing in a
96.7%
chance of a rate cut in October. October
29th is when we have our next rate cut.
Now what happens if the Fed stays closed
until then or or rather uh the the
government? Well, we might not actually
get our jobs data. We might not give the
Federal Reserve the ammunition they need
to give us another rate cut. Now look at
the S&P 500. This is why I always say
generally, and I've been saying this for
days, usually government shutdowns are
buy the dip opportunity, unless of
course you have some kind of shocker in
the labor market this time. So in the
S&P 500, typically once the government
reopens, you go straight up. So when the
government shuts down, you had a low and
you go straight up. So almost always a
buy the dip opportunity uh on on the you
know um
your your your S&P 500 over here and you
can sort of look at these different
levels here. You got 2018 20 uh January
over here you're up you're up you're up.
There have been cases where you're down
though. You can see this sort of dotted
line over actually yeah over here 1990.
So not always but more often than not
you trend up. Same with the 10-year
Treasury yield except in reverse. So
bonds gain in value but their yields
trend down almost all of the lines here
below zero and then the US dollar does
tend to slip a bit uh afterwards. So
this is somewhat interesting data. Uh
now Donald Trump believes this morning
along with Chuck Schumer both of them
actually Donald Trump was last night,
Chuck Schumer was this morning. Chuck
Schumer this morning says we are heading
towards the shutdown. Donald Trump said
the same thing yesterday in an interview
with Politico, which I could show you in
just a moment. But take a look at uh
this.
Government compensation of employees
represents about 1.2% of GDP. So it's
not like the largest factor as part of
GDP. And discretionary spending, which
gets paused in a government shutdown,
only represents about 25% of the
government spending. So, it's not like
it's the, you know, the employees are
the core driver of the economy at the
Fed, uh, federal government, or that,
you know, government discretionary
spending is a core driver here. That's
not the case at all. That's probably why
they're usually a government shutdown.
Last time in 2013 over here, we delayed
Bureau of Labor Statistics data by 18
days. The risk now is if we delay and we
end up having a long government shutdown
like we did over here, we actually might
not give the Federal Reserve the
unemployment data that they need for the
October 29th deadline.
October 29th is when the Fed makes their
rate decision. And the next one, we
don't have a Fed meeting at all in
November. So the next meeting then isn't
until December 10th where we're pricing
in a combined cumulative chance of uh or
or total of 1.73 cuts. So, we're not
fully pricing in those two rate cuts
this year. This unemployment report was
really supposed to be the data that
tells us, are we going to get a soft
landing or not? Employment in the DC
area has fallen this year, of course,
cuz Trump wants to fire a lot of people.
Most furled workers do not get counted
in unemployment numbers. So, just
because these workers are going to get
furled, you're generally not going to
see them show up in the unemployment
reports. They're not filing for
unemployment. They're just doing their
job without getting paid. So, usually
these shutdowns just not a big deal. The
only issue is delaying our data. That's
the pisser. We don't want to delay our
data. Uh and and that is unfortunately
exactly what might happen this time. Uh
as again, as you can see here, the big
ones being claims. I personally don't
care about the weekly data. I think it's
a very volatile and noisy number and it
doesn't really matter. Uh and then of
course non-farm payrolls. Those are
going to be the ones that get delayed.
Now, I'm a little bearish, ad bearish
the last two days. The last two days in
the Me Kevin Alpha report, I've been
saying, "Hey, like I think Q's are going
to go down. I don't think you want to
like bet on some skyrocketing cues
here." Uh because frankly, I think
people aren't pricing in the risk that
we're going to shut down. And I think
Donald Trump wants to shut down. Uh and
so what I've been saying in the alpha
report, I mean, it happened. I mean,
look at the cues yesterday, you know. Uh
let's get rid of this. Look at the Q's
yesterday. The Q's ran up uh and that
was only for like the first 30 minutes
and then what happened? The Q's closed
lower and bled for the rest of the day
and now we're right on the cues again.
So, you know, that's not because I'm
bearish the economy right now. It's
because I recognize that usually leading
into a government shutdown and leading
into data, you get weakness. This is the
kind of technical, you know, analysis
that we do regularly. We do this on a
daily basis. I also set up, by the way,
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anyway, uh you know, my take is that
over the next, you know, few weeks, the
best thing that could happen is we end
up getting uh how should I put it? Over
the next few weeks, what we want to get
are the best possible job numbers to
finally confirm a rounding out of the
labor market. That would be the best
case scenario. Donald Trump's layoffs I
actually don't think are that huge
of a deal because this is just Donald
Trump's MMO anyway. Donald Trump
threatens a lot of fires firings. Yeah,
but people don't look at government
firings as really like weakness for the
government anyway. The White House last
week directed agencies to draw plans for
mass firings. Uh this will be the 14th
government shutdown. This bill doesn't
have an iota of Democratic input, says
Schumer yesterday. I watched the full
video yesterday of what Republicans are
saying or what Democrats are saying.
Like there will be a path to them
getting the government reopened. I'm not
worried about that. Uh but it is
extremely likely in my opinion we will
shut down before we get to that that
stage and that's okay. I think that's
why Khi is showing an 82% chance of a
government shutdown. I also think, you
know, this is correct when Politico says
that, you know, Donald Trump thinks,
"I'm not worried about people thinking
that it's Republicans's fault that
there's a shutdown." Exactly. Uh we have
Donald Trump who's blaming Democrats and
it gives them an opportunity to fire
people like generals. See, Trump says
he'll fire generals on the spot if he
dislikes them.
That's the situation we're in right now.
So what does that mean broadly? Well, it
means gold up like qu like frankly. Uh
and the reason gold's going up on the
shutdown fears is because of a safety
asset. This happens every single time
you get uncertainty with a lack of data
or uncertainty in the stock market.
Yields down on bonds. So bonds up and
gold up. But usually it's a buy the dip
opportunity for the stock market almost
always. So uh we'll see. But uh again,
the only thing that could really screw
it up right now would be bad jobs. Adam,
we need to round this out. Oh, that's
interesting. Tesla's now down 1.4%.
Yeah, I was bearish on Tesla as well the
last two days. So, I called the 414
bounce and then yesterday morning in the
alpha report, Tesla was trading at like
447. And I'm like, guys, look, we're in
no man's land. Okay, the N Kevin Alpha
report, you could fact check me on this
yesterday. It's in the report yesterday.
We talked about it today as well.
Tesla's in no man's land.
It's probably trending back to 414. And
I think a lot of the enthusiasm around
uh the deliveries coming up next week
are probably a lot of that enthusiasm
probably built in uh which which then
just creates downside risk you know
along with the broader economy right now
which is on a downtrend. So again 80%
chance of a shutdown. It's basically a
foregone conclusion right now, which
unfortunately means we're going to get
delays with our government data, which
sucks because that's what we want to
confirm with soft land. Again, we want
growth in those labor numbers. Again, we
talked about this yesterday that most
institutions actually are forecasting uh
growth in the labor numbers. I mean,
look at this. Most of the estimates,
which haven't really changed, I'll
verify. Most of the estimates are that
we are going to soft land and get really
great data.
So best case scenario, the government
doesn't shut down. We get really bullish
job numbers and then what happens? S&P
610, man. Actually, potentially towards
630 by end of the year. I got to stop
giving out price targets that I usually
only do in the me Kevin Alpha report.
Um, okay. So, non-farm payrolls. Let me
get the latest estimate here because it
changes all the time. So if I go to
change of non-form payrolls, the current
estimate is 51,000. I just want to see
if it changed at all in the last 24.
So it looks like yesterday we had 58
qualified economists. Now we have 65.
Nobody on the downside, dude.
Wow. It's it's one guy. one guy at -20,
but the chart's basically not changed
and we had seven more estimates. I can't
even see where the delta is cuz it looks
so similar. Uh, it moved up. Actually,
the average estimate moved up.
It's at 56.4
and you've got pretty much everybody is
above 30,000.
Uh, so
that's wild.
That's wild. I'm When I'm talking about
the Q's, I'm talking about the triple
Q's.
Kevin, when would we get the jobs report
if the government shuts down and we
don't get it this Friday? Well, uh, in
2013, we got it when the government
reopened.
So, when they all showed back up to
work. So, that sucks. You know, that's
that's a long ways out.
Uh because this shutdown,
this is an opportunity for Democrats to
really try to f with Trump. But
ironically, Trump wants this because
then he's going to get to go around and
fire a ton of people. So,
I love buying the dip on government
shutdowns, and I probably will. What
I'll probably do is I'll buy the dip on
my 10-year stocks because remember I
have a list of 10 stocks to buy for the
next 10 years. Those are not stocks that
I think are like guaranteed going to do
great in the next 6 months. They're
stocks that are just slowly building out
like portfolios in that I'm not going to
sell between now and the next 10 years.
I'm just going to hodddle them and I'm
going to keep building them. In fact, I
kind of want them to go down because I
want to build a position in them. So I
could buy I could increase my Q for a
lower P, right? Increase my quantity for
a lower price.
Um, but there are also stocks that might
buy that I think could be like swing
trades u over the next six months. Like
this morning we did an analysis on a
stock that
probably once we get to the meat of the
government shutdown might have a low
buying opportunity. Uh I don't I even
said this morning like I don't think
I'll buy them now because I want to wait
for the max pain of the shutdown. Like
that shock. It's like oh my gosh,
Friday's coming. It's 5:30 a.m. and we
didn't get the jobs report. Dude,
markets are going to freak on that. It's
going to be such a buy the dip
opportunity for your long-term place in
my opinion. Uh, of course, you know, if
the jobs data comes in bad, we go into a
labor market recession. You also want to
have stocks that are going to do well in
a recession. And I don't think all
stocks will do well in a recession.
It's uh you know you're going to be
looking at
sure interest rate sensitive but you
also have to consider and this is
something to think about people forget
this when it comes to debt
people will leverage up to the tits we
call it you know you leverage up and
let's say you buy a house today for a
million bucks okay and you put 20% down
or or 10% % down cuz you're Lisa Cook
and you say you're going to live there
and then you leverage up at, you know, 6
and a half% on a 30-year mortgage. Okay,
everybody's idea is, "Oh, I'll just
refinance when rates come down. Then
hits the fan, you go into a
recession." Okay, then you're in a
recession. What appraiser is going to
let you refinance?
That's the problem, right? So
rates go to zero and you're like, "Oh, I
could refinance and get a lower rate."
But then all the appraisals start coming
in low because the appraisers are
worried. It's not just that prices can
go down on real estate. I actually think
lower rates will drive prices higher,
but it's that you create fear in
appraisal land. Appraisers are worried
about getting sued because if we're in a
recession, oh my gosh, I better sharpen
my pencil on all my appraisals.
appraisals are going to come in lower
because now what? Well, if I if I write
this too high, I could lose my license.
If the banks lose money and I get sued.
So, everybody sharpens their pencils. It
becomes harder to refinance. Worst case
scenario, home prices fall, which, you
know, could happen.
And then you're saddled with debt on a
fixed rate mortgage at 6 12%.
And rates are at zero and you can't
refinance and you can't sell. That's the
downside of being levered to the tits.
In other words, you're effed.
So, and there are people today buying
real estate uh at negative cash flows
making the bet that oh, it's all going
to be okay cuz rates are going to come
down and then, you know, home prices are
going to go up and I'll be able to
refinance. Yeah. Well, what if you can't
refinance?
And so, you know, that's why like maybe
just call me like a doom boomer. Okay,
call me here. Call me Bowser. That's
what you could call me. Call me Bowser.
You got a satur. Uh,
and uh
I I just think people forget that, you
know, just because rates go down, not
everybody's going to be able to turn
around and go refinance. And a lot of
people will be able to like house we
have no bank debt very very little
corporate uh you know outstanding
corporate bonds very few relative to the
assets we have uh and they're
convertible to equity so as long as we
perform well you know people get stock
so it's not a cash like there's no cash
outlay to pay those bonds um which is we
think win-win but the point of that is
you know companies with no debt will be
fine but if people are lever to the tits
uh and then they think they could
refinance but they can't.
That's when you hit the poopy oopies.
Now, the reason I bring that up is just
to keep on your radar. Just be careful
with the your assumptions around when
things go bad and and consider that when
you're looking at stocks to buy. Uh so
anyway, that's that's that's all the
reason I wanted to bring that up. So,
somebody here says home prices already
falling in Florida or Texas. Yeah,
Florida, Texas have this uniqueness to
them in that they they do overbuild.
Uh so they are much more cyclally
sensitive. However, sometimes they've
been seen as a leading indicator as
well. Uh so you know, in the 2008
financial crisis, Texans of Florida got
hit the worst too. So did Vegas.
Uh
so if you put more money down, you're
less at risk of being unable to
refinance. Yeah, exactly. So, you know,
if you put down like in the depths of
the financial crisis, what did real
estate single family homes go down? Like
42%. That's not going to happen again.
Knock on wood. But the reason I don't
think that's going to happen again is
because our loans are so much more
stable today. We're not doing negam
loans. We're doing ability to repay
loans. But the thing is those standards
are starting to loosen. They're just now
starting to loosen. I actually think if
we're going to have a housing market
bubble, it'll be fueled by the next
recession. So, like I don't think this
will be a real estate recession. I think
it'll be a labor recession. Uh which
will affect some tenants obviously, but
it'll mostly be a labor recession,
not a real estate bubble. We're not in a
real estate bubble at all. Like the
underlying fundamentals are very, very
strong of lending. Uh however, the next
recession will lead to shittier loans.
Donald Trump just gutted 90% of the
Consumer Financial and Protection
Bureau. That was the very entity
responsible for enforcing the DoddFrank
protections that forced ability to repay
qualified mortgages. They just gutted
it, dude. 90% fired. Well, that doesn't
turn all of the loans that were made
over the last 15 years into a bubble
asset. What it does is it sews the seed
for the next bubble.
Very interesting.
Very, very interesting though.
Yeah, Austin's a great example again
because you overbuild.
That's actually why I love the dumbass
I'm not calling liberals dumbass here.
I'm saying the dumbass liberal policies
of blue states because they suck so
badly at building. I swear to you, the
worst place to get permits to build
is in any libtard city, this is not to
be offensive to liberals, okay? I I love
my liberal friends. I love my MAGA
friends. I love them all. But I'm
telling you that the the these blue
state cities like the LA's, the Santa
Monas, the San Francisco, the San Diego,
worst places to build, best damn place
to buy. Nah, I I don't want to buy in
Santa Monica because of the rent
controls, but uh these are great places
to buy cuz they suck so much at
building. They just squeeze prices up.
Uh uh. So, you know, that's that's just
my take. You know, that doesn't mean I'm
right. Somebody says I'm looking pale.
What? Oh, my filth. What happened to my
Oh, okay. Hold on. Let's Let's add some
Let's Let's fix that for you.
How much Trump do we want, folks? How
much Trump should I put in?
We're going to make real estate great
again. Nobody knows real estate better
than your boy me Kevin. In fact, if you
want the greatest bond ever, some might
say the greatest investment ever. Don't
sue me, bro, though. You know, the
legacy media, they'll they'll come right
after you, okay? The fake news. They'll
tell you there's risk to every
investment.
They'll tell you to read the financials,
uh, to read the private placement
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is not a solicitation, but some would
say a 5% yield on an annual basis paid
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at a valuation that's so low. Some would
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there's no pricing of the artificial
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All right, I'm going to remove some of
that Trump orange now. Uh,
there we go. Okay, back to normal. All
right, cool. There you have it. And use
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>> Coupon linked below.
Coupon code expiring soon. I think the
bigger question is like if the
government shuts down and the coupon
code expires on jobs day, does the
government shutdown affect the
expiration of the coupon? I don't think
it should. I think the coupon needs to
expire because we already gave an
extension to the people who are begging
me to extend it in emails about this.
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