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Expert Led Talk - How to foster a culture of Belonging and Inclusion

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Lovely. Okay. Well, welcome. We've uh

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that you need to take copious notes. You

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can sit back and and enjoy. Now I'd like

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to say a huge thank you to joining us

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and a huge welcome to Eivelyn. Did I get

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that right?

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To Eivelyn Ford who is our speaker

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today. So, we just had a a different a

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little conversation there about the

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pronunciation. Um, so Elyn's a former

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head teacher. She's an ASL president, an

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author, and an education consultant. So,

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she comes with a wealth of experience

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today. So, it's going to be really

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exciting to to hear her. And she's going

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to be discussing um the value of a sense

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of belonging, which is an an area that I

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hold dear to my heart and I'm sure many

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of you do. And it's the importance that

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we have as leaders to create cultures

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that encourage this space for for all

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all of those children and young people

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that are in our schools. So today's

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session is called how to foster a

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culture of belonging and inclusion so

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that everyone feels that they matter.

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Now Elyn's going to go on to speak about

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inclusion and the impact of this not

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being in place. She's challenging us.

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So, she gets us to really think and

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reflect as leaders about our role in

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designing inclusive schools and the

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lifechanging gift that this can be if we

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if we do actually get it right. Um

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throughout there's an opportunity for us

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to read your questions. So we will take

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questions and comments um and pause at

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different points in the webinar but also

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at the end if you could please use the

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Q&A box not the chat the Q&A box to

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share any questions that you have um I I

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will um bring those to to Elyn and and

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probably not all of them so as many as

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we can and and we what we'll do is we'll

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we'll work in trends so we'll see the

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types of questions that are coming. Um

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so as I say the the slides you will get

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them you'll get the recording. So please

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sit back and enjoy this um presentation

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today. So without any further ado I'm

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going to hand over to you. Just bear

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with us while we we change screen. So

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I'm going to stop

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sharing and allow you to bring up your

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presentation.

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Lovely. So just before I do that just to

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say uh a warm welcome. It's really warm

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out and we're here on a webinar and

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thank you so much. I see there's quite a

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lot of you on here. So, no pressure. Um,

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but I hope that what I have to talk

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about over the next 60, 70, 80 minutes,

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um, that you be able to take some gems

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away maybe or you may have some

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provocations for yourself, some

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reflections. Um, so thank you for

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inviting me, Alice, and the team. Um,

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I'm really looking forward to getting

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into the conversation um with you all

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now. So, I'm going to share my screen

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and um people who've dialed in, you'll

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get the slides anyway. Um, so as Alice

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has said, I was a head teacher um until

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the summer of 2023. um I was the

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president of ASUL and then I um wrote a

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book. So I will make reference to my

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book throughout the presentation. Um,

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and now I do lots of work in the

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education space and I suppose belonging

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and

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inclusion is really dear to my heart

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because um of my own lived experience

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and some of um some of the challenges

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that I see in the sector at the moment.

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Um and so that's why when I was invited

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to talk about it, I thought yes, this is

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um this is something that I think you

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know participants to um this webinar

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will also get a lot out of. And so if

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we're thinking about belonging

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um I think it's really important to kind

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of under have a have an awareness of

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what the sector thinks belonging

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actually is because I think it means

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different things to different people.

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Um, so I was really interested in what

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the Secretary of State had to say about

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belonging. um and she, as you can see

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from the screen here, she was at um a

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conference in November last year and she

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highlighted the fact that um all schools

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should be welcoming, engaging um and

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inclusive spaces for pupils. she

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highlighted that every child should feel

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a sense of belonging. And I don't think

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that's anything any of us can um can

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argue with in terms of that real deep

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sense of belonging where regardless of

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your starting point, regardless of your

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background, that you feel really valued

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and

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accepted. and I listen to the speech and

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I probably like you think, "Yep, I can

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definitely get behind that." But for me,

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it's not just about the young people in

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our in our schools, our colleges, our

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trusts. For me, I will always add that

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it's about the adults in the building.

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that we too must feel like we belong.

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Because I believe that if we feel like

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we belong in an

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organization, then we can bring our very

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very best selves to the organization. We

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we as adults feel happy. We feel safe

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and that then um is distilled down to

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the children in our care.

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And so, Katherine Riley, she talks about

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us daring to dream about this sense of

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belonging, which is the next slide after

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the Bridget Philipsson one. And her

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definition of it is that it's a real

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intense personal experience. Um, it

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shapes who we are and what we bring to

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an organization.

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And she talks about that sense of

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feeling connected and feeling safe. And

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schools are busy places. Our

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organizations are busy places. And

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sometimes we forget to take the time to

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really connect with people in the

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organization, whether that be an adult

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or that be a child. and she talks about

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when we do have that deep sense of

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belonging, our confidence grows and we

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dare to dream about a future. And

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so I wonder, and I'm going to pause in a

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moment, but I wonder if when we look at

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the next slide and we see the image on

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the slide, I wonder if anybody on this

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webinar has ever felt on the margins,

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have ever felt like they just don't

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belong. because I think that's true of

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some children in our schools and I think

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it's true of some adults in our schools

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and I do think there are some quick wins

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that we can do to make sure that the

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children feel like they belong and that

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the adults feel like they belong because

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I know for sure I never wanted to be

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that one lonely chick kind of peering

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over and wanting and hoping

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that somebody would include me in the

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conversation. That was my reality that I

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did feel sometimes on the margin. So the

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sense of belonging is that deep kind of

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sense of feeling safe, feeling included

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and never really wanting to be on the

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margins. So now that I've kind of set

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the scene for you, I am going to take

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you on a bit of a journey. And it's a

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journey that talks to my own lived

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experience. And then I'm going to offer

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some some suggestions, some um optimism

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and hope and tangible things that I know

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you'll be able to take immediately back

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to your organizations. But I wonder

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Alice if there's anything in the chat or

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anybody wants to um put something in

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there about what belonging means to them

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and that whole sense of yeah feeling on

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the margins, feeling like an outsider

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um isn't great and maybe what their

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organizations have done to make them

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feel included.

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We we've got one that's come in. Not not

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necessarily what's been done, but just a

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lived experience. Um and and more are

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coming up, but just that um notion of

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being a capable, excuse me,

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professional and you know, performing

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well and and and doing everything that

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you should, but still feeling that that

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sense of not belonging. Yeah. Often due

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to unintentionally comparing yourself to

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others. And I think as as leaders, as

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teachers, as educators, we often get

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caught up in that whole wheel of

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comparing ourselves to others. The whole

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grading didn't help, you know, and that

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sort of is still quite quite profoundly

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part of the way we think even though

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we're not told anymore, oh, you're an

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outstanding teacher, but that sense of

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comparing often makes you feel like you

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just don't belong. Yeah. Yeah. And and I

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and I I totally get that. and that

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comparing and that you know I often hear

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people say you know kind of imposter

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syndrome maybe I shouldn't be here x y

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and zed um so I'm kind of getting a

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sense that there's some um this is

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connecting with with um people on the

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call okay so I was going to say that

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that came up as well imposter syndrome

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and then just just another one is that

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the um refugee situation as well so

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having children for example from the

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Ukraine in your school and their

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experience, you know, not just being so

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culturally uh in a different space, but

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having lived through an experience that

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those that they're going to be sitting

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next to in class can't even imagine.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll I'll talk

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about some some things that we may want

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to to think about in terms of how do we

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make sure that we're doing everything

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possible to kind of foster that culture

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of belonging. Um if I just show you the

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next slide. Um so this is a picture that

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I show often when I do kind of talks um

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because it really grounds me back in

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this space of why I do what I do. Um,

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and this is a picture of my dad, my mom,

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my sisters, and I'm the um I say I'm the

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cutie in in my mom's arms. Um, and my my

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parents, we there's five of us all

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together and they grew their marriage um

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began under the cloud of um no blacks,

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no Irish, no dogs. Um, and I share that

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with you because when I tell you when I

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take you on this little journey about my

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own story, um, people often say to me,

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uh, so where were your mom and dad in

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all of this? And I say, you know what,

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my parents were just trying to kind of,

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they were trying to keep a roof over our

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head. They were just doing the very,

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very best that they could against a

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backdrop of what they were experiencing.

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Um, and and I show this picture because

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what you can see in it is that we myself

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and my sisters, we were well-dressed. I

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think my parents look pretty sharp in

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that picture. Um, and we were loved, you

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know, we were fed, we were well-dressed.

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Um, and they were just doing the best

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that they could. This picture was taken

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at Heathrow airport. Um, and you may

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think that we were going off somewhere

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really fancy, but but no. Um, hundreds

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of years ago when I was little, um, you

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could families could go to the airport

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and you could go and watch the planes

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take off. I don't know the age

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demographics on this call, but if

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there's anybody there that's kind of

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nodding, you kind of you get what I'm

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talking about. So, um, we couldn't

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afford to go on holiday. And so my other

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point is

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um I grew up um and I would be now

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referred to as a pupil premium student.

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So um we grew up we grew up poor, you

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know, we didn't have a lot of money, but

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we were well-loved and my parents were

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doing the very very best that they

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could. And so I share this

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because my experience at school told a

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very interesting story. Um and there's

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something about um not always assuming

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that you know when a child turns up and

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is you know welldressed and you know

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looks well fed and hair is combed and

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and and all of that like looking you

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know um that we asking a question how

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are you how are things really really

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important and so that's the context in

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which I then share my next slide with

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you. I went to a um so obviously I grew

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up I became a teenager my parents still

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really trying just to kind of keep um

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keep a roof over our heads and etc etc.

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Um and I went to a very very challenging

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school in Northwest London. Um it was um

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it was known as a sync school. It became

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a sync school where standards were

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really low. it just felt like um we as

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the children in the school that we

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didn't matter. And so it was very easy

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for me back then to jump the jump the

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fence and I used to ride the number

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eight bus up and down Oxford Street. It

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was easy because we didn't have the

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safeguarding um um kind of parameters

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that we have now. There weren't those

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checks and balances. Nobody did the

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first day calling. And the chair on that

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slide was an empty chair. And I put that

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there because I was the child that

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wasn't present in class. And as I've

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kind of grown up and really reflected on

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this, I've asked myself, did I matter?

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Did I matter enough to the adults in the

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building? Did I matter enough for them

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whilst we didn't have first day calling

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and all of that, but did I matter enough

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for them to reach out to my parents and

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say, "Why wasn't Evelyn in school?" And

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I don't think I did matter enough. And I

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don't think I did. Um and so, you know,

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I'd go home and my parents would say,

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"How was school?" And I said, "It was

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great. It was amazing." Um but I was

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jumping that fence. I wasn't there. And

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so I was one of those children that left

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school with no qualifications because it

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was easy to jump the fence. Nobody

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noticed. Oxford Street was very, very

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attractive as a teenager. And so I left

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school with no qualifications. And it

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was only when I, you know, let's fast

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forward a few years. It was only years

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later once I'd had my own two children.

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and I've got three girls now, but I had

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two girls at the time that I realized

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that I needed to do better and I needed

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to go back into school, into education,

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and I needed to do better for my girls.

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But I also realized then that I wanted

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to be a teacher. I wanted to make sure

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that if I became a teacher that my

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experience of that empty chair would not

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be the experience of the children that I

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served. And so I did a night course um

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and I just I didn't know what to do

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actually. So I kind of scrolled down and

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I did a night course in in child care.

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Um and it was then that was the first

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time I saw a teacher that looked like

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me. The first time I saw a lecturer who

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looked like me and she said to me,

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"You're going to get your GCSEs."

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And so um she encouraged me to then go

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and do um an access course into higher

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education to get my GCSEs which I did.

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Did I matter to her? I think I did. She

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saw something in me which um made me

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feel important. She made me feel valued.

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And so I did get my

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GCES and I then decided that um yes, I

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was going to be a teacher and it was a

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lecture on that course that said, "So

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what university are you going to go to?"

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And I didn't have any careers advice and

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guidance. You could say, "Well, you

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weren't at school." It's true, but I

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didn't have the advice and guidance. And

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so I was just going to go um to my local

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Polly at the time. I live in North

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London. and I was going to go to Middle

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Sex Poly and he said to me, "You really

19:07

love history and you are really

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interested in African history." And so

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he said, "I'm going to take you to a

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university that accepts people through

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the access course." And so I mattered to

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him. I mattered enough for him to take

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the time to take me to Soaz. I went to

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SOAZ and um I got on and I did did a

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degree in African history and African

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literature and I then became a teacher.

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Uh fast forward I then became a history

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teacher. You could say the rest is

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history, but actually that's kind of

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when I really um it kind of really

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landed here the importance of belonging

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and mattering because those two

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conversations, those two teachers took

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the time and I was a, you know, an adult

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at the time with two children, but they

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took the time to have that conversation

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with me. And I wonder when you're

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looking at your organizations and the

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people that you interact with, the

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children in your schools, do they matter

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enough to you? Do they matter? Let me

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just kind of move on to these two people

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made me feel like I mattered, made me

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feel like I belonged. And I think

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there's a subtle difference between

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belonging and mattering. And so on the

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next slide you'll see that um I've tried

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to give you a bit of a breakdown between

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the difference between belonging and

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mattering. Could you do the next slide

20:46

for me please?

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And there's um there's somebody called

20:53

Muhammad Abdalah and he's done some

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brilliant work in this space and he

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poses these questions and he says think

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about it this way you know do you belong

21:04

to a gym? I do. Um but does anybody know

21:08

my name at the gym? You know do the

21:10

regulars know my name? No. um we belong

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to a school but are you given the

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opportunities to have your ideas shape

21:21

the way that things are done and I think

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that's really important you belong to a

21:27

team and for me this is the bit that

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really landed with me was that when you

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are absent is there a noticeable

21:38

void and so mattering is much more than

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belonging to a place or a community. It

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is about your significance. It's about

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the significance of the young people in

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your schools, colleges, trusts. And I

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just um encourage you to think about

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belonging and mattering in that very

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subtle nuanced way because I think that

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when we can do that, we begin to reframe

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our thinking and we begin to

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reframe maybe some of our interactions.

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And so I'm just going to pause again,

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Alice, just for a minute just to see if

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there's any kind of initial kind of

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comments or feedback on the difference

22:22

between belonging and mattering. And I'm

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going to try and unblur myself.

22:30

Okay, I can't see anything coming

22:32

through yet, but I'll just give it a

22:34

moment. Um, one one thing, a couple of

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things that did come up.

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Um, one was just a statement rather than

22:41

a questions and it was small things not

22:44

being recognized equals not belonging.

22:47

So, it doesn't even need to be the big

22:49

things. Sometimes it's just the small

22:51

things. I think that really chimes with

22:52

what you were saying there. Um, and then

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somebody else brought up Maslo's

22:57

hierarchy of needs. Yeah. And that sense

23:00

of not um fulfilling your potential. So

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do you think that this this sort of

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links to that understanding of those

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hierarchy of needs and if so is it for

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children and adults alike or are you

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seeing them as two separate two separate

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No I I see them as as the same really

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and there's something about being given

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the opportunity. It's about being given

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the opportunity to flourish and being

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given the opportunity to have your needs

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met. And if we think about that through

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the lens of an adult, let's say, um,

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being given the opportunity and here we

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can talk about equity as well, being

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given the same opportunities in an

23:44

organization as everybody else. And I

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think that that's the conversations that

23:51

we can begin to have with our line

23:53

managers, you know, whoever who, you

23:56

know, whoever um is is in charge of your

23:59

professional development, etc., etc. But

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it really is about that equal

24:05

opportunity, the equity. We all have

24:08

different starting points, but actually

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the conversation should be around this

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is what I need and for me to feel like I

24:16

belong. I need you to hear me in terms

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of my needs.

24:21

So the belonging and the mattering can

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really it's it's it's really subtle.

24:27

It's really nuanced, but it is something

24:28

that I do encourage people to to think

24:31

about. And the reason for me it's really

24:34

so important, A is because of that chair

24:37

that I showed you. B is because of the

24:40

conversation with um with the two

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lecturers when I was in my early kind of

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time of going back into education. But

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actually once I had become a a teacher

24:54

and I then realized that I wanted to

24:56

become a leader that whole um my my

25:00

interaction again with the sector didn't

25:04

really make me feel like I belong. And

25:06

so as you can see on my next

25:09

slide I I kind of share with you here

25:14

some of my experiences.

25:16

So um when I decided that I wanted to

25:20

become a senior leader as it was I

25:24

joined a program called future leaders

25:27

uh fasttrack program into headship but

25:30

you are given um a coach amazing CPD

25:35

international study tour you know it was

25:39

it was a really great program at the

25:41

time and once you've done your um your

25:46

year in a school, you then start looking

25:48

for

25:49

jobs to either become a deputy and for

25:53

some people they immediately went to

25:56

headship. Um, so like others, like my

25:59

peers, I started applying. I would go

26:01

for jobs and um, I wasn't getting them.

26:05

And I'd look around and I'd see people

26:07

in my cohort, um, people on the program

26:10

kind of getting jobs. And, you know, in

26:13

the early days, I used to think, well,

26:15

maybe I wasn't very good at interviews.

26:17

Um, but then I used then I real kind of

26:20

the same support, etc., etc. But it was

26:24

when I started getting feedback like you

26:27

can see on the screen

26:30

um after going for 18 deputy deputy head

26:35

interviews and one of the feedback um

26:38

that really kind of stuck with me and

26:41

made me feel like I didn't belong in the

26:44

sector was we're not quite sure how our

26:47

community would relate to you. And

26:50

initially

26:52

I thought I don't know what you're

26:54

talking about cuz I was so kind of like

26:56

overwhelmed by that comment. Um but then

27:00

when you sit and digest something like

27:02

that um well a that it's racist. I used

27:06

to think I unconscious bias but no

27:09

definitely kind of those racist

27:11

attitudes around yeah our community. you

27:14

you don't look like somebody who our

27:16

community could relate to and that

27:19

didn't make me feel like I belong. So

27:21

when we're thinking about feedback, if

27:24

you ever have an opportunity to be

27:27

giving feedback to colleagues, it really

27:30

is about constructive, helpful feedback

27:33

that still makes that colleague feel

27:35

like they belong in your organization.

27:37

when we're giving feedback to young

27:39

people again, how can we do it in such a

27:42

way that they still feel valued and that

27:44

they belong? I was also told to see me

27:48

as a great um deputy but never are you

27:50

going to get to headship and again I

27:53

felt on the margins let's think back to

27:55

that picture of the chick and kind of

27:57

peering over and I was that chick even

28:00

um even after school you know even after

28:04

not feeling that that I mattered to

28:06

anybody as an adult kind of seeking um a

28:10

senior post I still felt like I was on

28:12

the margins I felt like that chick Um I

28:17

did get a headship um after what 80 18

28:21

deputy head interviews. Um and here's

28:25

something about if you have any agency

28:28

in terms of recruitment or you can have

28:30

a conversation about recruitment. Having

28:33

diverse panels is really really

28:35

important. It's important not just in

28:38

terms of what um one of the panel

28:40

members might look like. It's about

28:42

their lived experience. So, it's about

28:45

class, it's about race, it's about

28:47

gender. And I can tell you that when I

28:50

went for a deputy head interview and I

28:53

walked in and there was a panel

28:55

predominantly white men, but there was

28:58

um one Asian gentleman and then there

29:01

was um there was a black uh woman um at

29:05

the other end of the table and she was a

29:07

community governor and all she did was

29:10

she looked at me and she smiled. Nobody

29:14

else smiled, but she looked at me and

29:15

she smiled. And when you're in spaces

29:18

where there's nobody that looks like

29:20

you, for somebody just to give you a bit

29:22

of eye contact and to smile, it meant

29:25

that my shoulders relaxed just a little

29:27

bit. Um, I did get the job. I didn't get

29:30

the job because um that the the lady

29:34

smiled at me, but it gave me it gave me

29:38

a boost and it gave me the confidence in

29:42

that space. And so again, if you've got

29:44

any agency at all in that space, it

29:47

really is about we're going to drive

29:48

belonging, a culture of belonging and

29:51

inclusion, we need to think about our

29:54

our recruitment strategy from advert

29:57

right through to panel interviews. what

29:59

are we doing to make sure that everybody

30:02

feels like they are included? Now you

30:05

may you may um think well maybe that's

30:09

just your experience Elyn and everybody

30:11

else is you know everybody else was

30:12

doing okay and maybe that was just you.

30:14

Um but I've done a lot of research

30:18

around um around um minority ethnic

30:23

leaders in the sector and when I was

30:25

writing my book her story I was I really

30:29

wanted to hear other voices in the

30:31

sector and so um I asked some leaders to

30:36

contribute their stories um because for

30:40

me even when I did become a headteer I

30:43

was a a leadership ship dinner. And um

30:47

after lots of twoing and throwing around

30:50

um around around a table that I'd

30:53

reserved for my for my um senior team,

30:57

lots of twoing and throwing in terms of

30:59

no, we're on this table. No, I I'd

31:01

booked that table. Um and the response

31:04

when I said I'm the head teacher of D

31:07

and the response was I'm sorry I thought

31:09

you worked here. That was another moment

31:13

of wow when you don't look like

31:18

everybody else in a room there is a

31:21

perception and so again another time

31:24

where I felt that do I really belong in

31:27

the sector when people didn't see me as

31:30

a head teacher and so I wanted to ask

31:32

some questions and so on the next slide

31:35

you can see that one of the contributors

31:38

to my book um He he talks about his

31:44

story and he also leaves some nuggets

31:48

and the nuggets that I wanted to share

31:50

with you are he said the first lesson I

31:53

learned during this experience was trust

31:55

your guts and I just think in terms of

31:58

inclusion and belonging if you ever feel

32:00

that something's not quite right firstly

32:04

I do encourage people to um to speak up

32:08

and have somebody with you Um, but if

32:11

you feel that something's not quite

32:13

right, your gut is probably telling you

32:15

that. The second lesson this person

32:17

learned was that all that glitters is

32:19

not gold. And so that attraction to a

32:22

post or a future that looks like was

32:25

going to get an assistant headship. I

32:27

was going to lead on this in this

32:29

amazing space. Quickly learned that all

32:32

that glitters is not gold. So we do our

32:34

homework around the spaces we want to be

32:37

in that we will really feel like we

32:40

belong. Um story ends on a on a on a

32:43

positive and that there are

32:46

inspirational head teachers out there

32:48

and he found somebody who demonstrates

32:51

humility to the highest degree and that

32:53

deep sense of belonging and inclusion is

32:56

something that he's fortunate enough to

32:58

find to have. And I think what stuck

33:02

with me is at the end of his um

33:05

contribution he encourages people to

33:09

find your home. And so when we are on

33:13

that career journey it's about finding

33:16

places where you do feel that you belong

33:20

and actually that you feel at home. Now

33:23

for for a number of groups that is not

33:26

always easy. That is not always easy.

33:29

And I'm just going to caveat by saying

33:31

I'm it might all sound doom and gloom

33:33

for a bit, but trust me, I'm going to

33:35

kind of boy us up a bit and we're going

33:37

to find some real nice um nuggets of

33:40

hope that that everybody can embrace and

33:43

take back to their

33:45

organizations. And um the reason why I

33:49

encourage people to find their home,

33:51

that deep sense of belonging for adults

33:53

um in a building so that you can then

33:56

better help our young people um is

33:59

because it's important for people to see

34:02

people that look like them um that have

34:06

some same kind of similarities as them.

34:08

And so on the next slide you can see um

34:12

if you come from minority ethnic

34:14

background um you your um your career

34:19

trajectory is very different to um to

34:23

our white colleagues. This research is

34:25

done by the NF

34:27

um and it shows data from applicants to

34:32

ITT right through to middle senior

34:35

headteers and beyond. And you can see

34:38

that the career trajectory is is is very

34:41

different. Um and the reason why some

34:44

group some people in this group are

34:46

leaving the profession is because they

34:49

face overt and covert racial

34:51

discrimination

34:52

uh lack of progression um and not

34:55

feeling like they're really making a

34:57

difference. Do you have the agency to

35:00

make sure that everybody feels like they

35:02

can make a difference? Do you have the

35:04

agency to work with people who can be

35:07

looking at that career progression? And

35:10

the reason why I think this is really

35:12

important is because on the next slide

35:15

you'll see that most English primary and

35:19

secondary schools have an all-white SLT.

35:22

And I think it's really important that

35:25

um our children and the adults in the

35:28

building um see people that look like

35:31

them that um that in terms of

35:35

representation that there is wider

35:39

representation across the sector. So the

35:43

work around um teachers from minority

35:46

ethnic backgrounds I think is quite

35:48

stark and I think there's um work that

35:50

we can do similarly for women. So when

35:54

we look at the work on the next slide

35:56

from the maternity paternity project we

35:59

can see that

36:01

um for for pe for women between the ages

36:05

of 30 and

36:06

39 if we can go to the next slide. Thank

36:09

you. um the women between the ages of 30

36:13

and 39, they are the largest group

36:16

leaving the profession and they put it

36:19

down to high workload, family

36:21

commitment, school culture and lifestyle

36:22

choices. And I just wonder in our

36:26

schools, in our settings, what culture

36:29

are we what culture are we fostering to

36:32

make sure that this group of women also

36:36

feel like they're included? and what are

36:38

we doing in terms of um flexible

36:43

working? And yes, I was heartened by the

36:46

recent STRB from um from the DFE when it

36:49

had a clause in there about making sure

36:52

that that schools are looking at and

36:54

have um a flexible working policy. I

36:58

think that will go a long way in really

37:01

driving that sense of inclusion and

37:03

belonging. If you weren't familiar with

37:05

these stats, I think it's worth just

37:07

kind of exploring. And the reason why I

37:11

then end with this last bit of slide in

37:14

terms of data is because when we look at

37:19

um people from a minority ethnic

37:21

background and women who um who hold um

37:26

positions I think I've put in the

37:28

footsie 350 but if you go to the next

37:31

slide it's on there that you can see

37:33

that yeah in the footsie 350 you can see

37:36

the gender distribution.

37:38

and the distribution for minority ethnic

37:42

um employees. And so we're kind of and

37:46

so what message does this send to our

37:47

children in our schools? And I just

37:50

think that kind of thread from what it

37:53

means for the children, what it means

37:54

for the adults and then what it means

37:56

for the wider world. I think there are

37:58

things that we can do better in the

38:00

sector. And so in terms of hope and

38:04

optimism, if anybody knows me, I'm a

38:06

very optimistic person. Yes, my time at

38:09

school was not great. Um my time as um

38:13

as a head teacher and a leader in the

38:15

sector wasn't always great, but I think

38:19

there are some things that we can do

38:21

quite quickly. So I'd like to um offer

38:24

you a few gifts. So on the next

38:30

slide and the next one if you can

38:33

influence change in any way I think

38:37

there is something about really

38:38

understanding belonging really knowing

38:42

about um that agency is a mindset of

38:47

possibilities you know the you know the

38:49

dare to dream the possibilities I think

38:52

there's something about our schools our

38:55

colleges our trust trust that they are a

38:58

place where relationships are key, you

39:01

know, a place where relationships have

39:04

the hopes and

39:05

aspirations. Um, and there is something

39:08

about unlocking

39:10

possibilities. Um because as it says

39:13

here and this is from the research again

39:16

from Katherine Riley and she talks about

39:19

places that kind of bring people

39:21

together but it's the leaders of the

39:24

organization who actually they set the

39:28

framework for belonging or exclusion.

39:31

It's the leaders in in an organization

39:33

that I say set the weather, set the

39:36

temperature, set the culture. And so my

39:40

first gift to you is that if you're

39:42

really interested in um place and

39:45

belonging in schools that this research

39:48

is definitely worth a read thinking

39:51

about the agency and mindset of

39:55

possibilities. It's in your gift to have

39:57

that op um to have those

40:00

conversations. My next gift to you is to

40:03

think about the curriculum.

40:06

Um, and I often champion uh on the next

40:10

slide, please. I often champion um Benny

40:13

Car in terms of the work that she's done

40:16

around a diverse curriculum. Um, for it

40:20

not to be tokenistic, for it not to be

40:24

posters on a wall. Yes, this month is

40:26

Pride Month, but why are we just

40:28

learning about it in a month? Why are we

40:31

not making sure that adults and children

40:33

feel included?

40:35

um 365 days of the year, every day that

40:39

they're in school. And I think my gift

40:41

to you is to think about what does your

40:44

curriculum currently look like? Whose

40:47

narratives are we are we sharing with

40:50

our children? Um and as Benny Car said,

40:55

it's about building a curriculum that

40:57

really embraces, celebrates, and

40:59

highlights and foregrounds diversity in

41:03

schools. So, we've got reading some

41:06

research. We've got thinking about your

41:08

curriculum um and looking at the work

41:11

that Benic Car does. And then I think

41:14

there's also something on the next slide

41:16

about it's a gift, but it could be an

41:18

uncomfortable gift. But I think there's

41:20

something about acknowledging our own

41:23

behaviors, acknowledging your behaviors

41:26

and biases because we all have biases.

41:28

We all do. I have biases. We all have

41:31

them. But I think there's something

41:33

about in your in your

41:37

organizations, is there an awareness

41:39

that there are likely to be

41:41

microaggressions? If we could just go

41:43

back. Thank you. Are there likely to be

41:46

microaggressions taking place? And

41:48

what's our view on those? And is there

41:51

is there a process um for somebody to be

41:55

able to speak out about what they're

41:57

experiencing? And once we've

42:00

acknowledged that we have biases, I

42:02

think that the benefits are are massive.

42:07

And as you can see there, the benefits

42:09

of tackling unconscious bias range from

42:12

all those points on the slide. In your

42:15

organization, do you have unconscious

42:17

bias training? Do you have racial

42:19

literacy training? Are you um striving

42:22

towards um becoming or are you an

42:26

anti-racist school? And I think

42:28

something like that can really make

42:30

people feel that they belong, that they

42:32

matter, and that they can find their

42:35

place in your organization. And my other

42:38

gift to you, which on the next slide may

42:40

feel slightly uncomfortable, but

42:43

actually I think it's quite grounding as

42:46

well. Where do you sit on this ally

42:49

continuum? Are you in the in the number

42:52

one box? Which that's okay if we're

42:54

there right now. We're slightly

42:56

apathetic. We got no understanding of

42:58

the issue. I don't even know what

42:59

Evelyn's talking about.

43:02

Or are you in the advocate box? Because

43:06

that's where we should all strive to be.

43:09

If we are really going to make sure our

43:11

schools are safe and that we do have

43:14

that sense of belonging, then we'll move

43:16

from apathy. Yes, it might take us a

43:19

little while and we'll get to we're more

43:21

aware um and then we actually become

43:25

active. You're well informed. You'll

43:28

read that um research that I'm sharing.

43:30

You'll look at the data and you will

43:34

um wellinformed sharing and seeking

43:37

diversity when asked and prompted.

43:40

That's great. But what I really would

43:43

love to see is that we're all moving to

43:46

becoming advocates. We are committed to

43:49

this work. We routinely and proactively

43:53

champion inclusion. And so if we think

43:55

about inclusion and we think about those

43:57

chicks and nobody wants to be on the

43:58

margins, we all want to be there. Then

44:01

actually to really foster that culture

44:03

of belonging, we will be championing

44:07

inclusion. And so on the next slide,

44:09

what you can see is this ally in

44:12

allyship in summary. And I like the

44:15

number one because that really kind of

44:17

just spells it out. Take on the struggle

44:19

as your own. And this is applicable to

44:23

all the protective characteristics.

44:25

Everybody in a building, right? That if

44:27

you can see that there is that somebody

44:31

is not feeling like they belong, take

44:33

that struggle as your own. Um, stand up

44:38

even when you feel scared. Lots of times

44:40

I've been in spaces where I'm the only

44:43

person and I think, "Oh god, I know

44:45

they're going to roll their eyes. I know

44:47

they might think, what is she talking

44:49

about? Sometimes I feel scared, but

44:52

actually if I if we don't stand up even

44:55

when we're scared, then actually we'll

44:57

never be able to drive that deep sense

45:00

of inclusion and belonging." The

45:02

allyship slides come from the NHS and I

45:05

think they're doing some good work in

45:06

this space. And so my gift to you is to

45:10

think firstly about where are you on the

45:13

continuum and then what you can do in

45:16

summary in terms of um making sure that

45:21

you definitely stay in that advocacy

45:24

box.

45:25

And so my next gift to you are just five

45:31

simple things that I think are free. We

45:34

all like a gift that is free. So here is

45:38

a gift. In your settings, do they

45:41

regularly undertake training for all

45:43

staff including governors and trust

45:45

board members? So if you're in a trust,

45:49

do we know whether everybody is having

45:51

regular diversity training in your

45:55

organizations? Are there opportunities

45:57

for your voices to be heard? And are

46:00

your opinions valued and respected? And

46:03

if they're not, then the gift is let's

46:08

raise that as an

46:10

issue. In your organizations, do people

46:13

really lead by example? holding yourself

46:16

accountable for EDIB and encouraging

46:19

others to do the same. Even when we go

46:22

back to the summary will and we think I

46:25

don't want to talk up, I'm scared. But

46:28

actually, if we can lead by example, we

46:30

can better foster that culture of

46:32

inclusion and

46:34

belonging in your

46:36

organization. Are there policies which

46:39

are known and followed by all staff? Do

46:41

you have um do you have policies that um

46:47

are easily accessible to really foster

46:50

that culture of inclusion and belonging?

46:52

What does your behavior policy look

46:54

like? What does your induction policy

46:56

look like? What does um your

47:00

communications policy look like? Because

47:02

within that, it's an opportunity to make

47:05

sure that the children and the adults

47:07

really um feel like they belong. I think

47:10

there's something around language.

47:12

There's something around the lexicon

47:14

that we use and how people like to be

47:16

referred to. And a very kind of uh quick

47:19

example around how I see

47:24

um just a a slight shift in language. We

47:28

often talk about our parents being hard

47:30

to reach. Why don't we say families

47:33

facing challenges? Because the minute we

47:36

say that our families are hard to reach,

47:38

we put them over there. And actually

47:40

that feels quite quite negative. But

47:43

actually if we have an acknowledgment

47:45

that families may be facing challenges,

47:47

then actually we're refraraming our

47:49

language and we're

47:51

refraraming how we might make people

47:54

feel. And so there are subtle things

47:57

that can be done in our organizations.

48:00

Um, yes, if you don't have that agency,

48:03

you're not in that position, it may take

48:05

some bravery. But actually, if we're

48:08

going to be an advocate that I encourage

48:10

you to be brave. And so I wonder on this

48:14

um not final but near the final slide on

48:18

the next slide because I wonder that

48:20

when we look in the mirror I wonder

48:23

whether we can say that

48:27

um we have been really intentional with

48:30

our actions because for me it is about

48:34

being intentional. I don't think it's

48:36

about being tokenistic. I don't think

48:38

it's about things being bolted on. I

48:40

think it's about it being baked in. And

48:43

it's about being intentional. And that's

48:46

important because you matter.

48:48

Individuals in your organizations

48:50

matter. The children matter. The teams

48:53

that you work within, they also matter.

48:56

And the leadership of the school, they

48:58

matter as well. And so it's whatever

49:00

level that you're at in terms of the

49:02

agency that you have. For me, if you're

49:06

really going to foster a culture of

49:07

belonging, it is about being

49:09

intentional. And so, my final gift to

49:12

you is a bookshelf. And um I like to

49:16

leave people with some books that have

49:18

really kind of influenced me or shaped

49:20

my thinking. We're probably all familiar

49:23

with Simon Synynics, who start with the

49:25

why, reminding ourselves about um why we

49:29

do what we do and how great leaders can

49:31

inspire.

49:34

We're probably most familiar with Kim

49:36

Scott's work from Radical Cander, but

49:38

she's done um some great work in this

49:41

book where she gives us the opportunity

49:43

to challenge um uh confront and

49:47

challenge biases and foster a culture of

49:51

inclusivity. Unity and Diversity is um a

49:54

great book that gives some real tangible

49:57

examples again about um Rachel McFarland

50:01

who's the author. She's done some great

50:03

work around um recruitment and I I

50:06

encourage you to have a look at that.

50:08

I've already shared with you the diverse

50:10

curriculum and of course um be remiss of

50:13

me not to just highlight my own book

50:14

there which kind of talks about my

50:17

experience. But what my book also has is

50:20

the voices of children and why it's

50:22

important for them to see people that

50:25

look like them because it makes them

50:27

feel like they belong. And so

50:30

finally, I love um looking at quotes and

50:34

things that I think really kind of pull

50:36

a session together. And as you can see

50:40

on

50:41

there, we can't really wait for change

50:44

and we can't really wait for somebody

50:46

else to make that change. Um we you are

50:51

the ones

50:52

um we've been waiting for and we are the

50:56

change that we seek. And so I encourage

50:59

you to think about the the difference

51:04

between um belonging and mattering.

51:07

thinking about what's in your what

51:10

agency do you have to make a difference

51:14

and how can we make sure that that empty

51:16

seat in the classroom well a isn't there

51:19

as much as we can I get it against the

51:21

backdrop of attendance issues but when

51:24

that person when that young child comes

51:26

back into class are we saying how are

51:30

you I missed

51:31

you or are we just saying are we just

51:34

taking the register just to make sure

51:36

that they're present So there's some

51:38

subtle things that we can do. And so

51:41

yes, on the final slide, I am always

51:43

open to conversations, always opening to

51:47

connecting with people. Um I I firmly

51:50

believe that you cannot be what you

51:52

cannot see. And so if we are going to

51:54

foster that culture of inclusion and

51:56

belonging, it's about having a diverse

52:00

workforce in the education system that

52:03

is more representative of what we now

52:06

call modern

52:07

Britain. I hope that has kind of given

52:11

you some food for thought. Um maybe

52:14

stirred a few things in you, maybe got

52:16

you thinking about your own settings. Um

52:20

and I believe that we do have time for

52:22

any reflections or questions.

52:25

Lots have been coming through. Um Elyn,

52:27

so so thank you. I mean that was just

52:29

just fantastic. I'll just ask a couple

52:32

of of um questions from from the Q&A

52:36

box. The first one, and you did touch on

52:38

this, but I think it's still worth

52:39

asking you this to see if you've got any

52:42

um more sort of indepth practical um

52:47

advice really. So this was what what

52:49

recommendations would you give to a

52:50

teacher who does not feel they belong or

52:53

matter in a setting that they fear to

52:57

speak up in? And I know that you did

52:59

talk about sometimes that is you did

53:01

feel scared but you did it anyway but

53:04

what recommendations would you give in

53:06

that situation? Yeah, you know, I would

53:09

say

53:11

that have have an ally, have somebody

53:16

that you that could that could be your

53:20

advocate, that could be there with you,

53:23

that you could share how you're feeling

53:25

with and then come up with, well, how

53:28

are we going to approach this as opposed

53:32

to how am I going to approach it? So, I

53:35

think that's really important. I think

53:37

when you go into necessary

53:39

conversations, I don't call them

53:41

challenging. I say this is the necessary

53:43

conversation we need to have. My advice

53:46

would be to script it, to really think

53:49

about what you're going to say. Get this

53:52

person, your ally, to really help you

53:55

with that. Um, and then the other thing

53:59

that I found that really kind of just

54:00

kept me going even when it was really

54:02

tricky, I had to remember that my

54:06

friends and family love me and that, you

54:10

know, this is a job at the end of the

54:12

day, right? And that when I leave that

54:15

school or wherever it is, I'm coming

54:17

home to people um who I matter to. But

54:23

then finally, and this this does take

54:26

bravery and it is not easy. It's not

54:28

easy. Um I've left two

54:33

schools without a job. Um one because my

54:37

position there became untenable, awful

54:39

for racism. Nothing was done about it.

54:42

And I just felt I don't belong here. I

54:46

don't feel safe. And it's it's not good

54:50

for your own kind of mental health and

54:51

well-being, but that that's not easy,

54:54

right? That's not easy. So that's why I

54:56

say people that love you and care about

54:58

you may not likely to be in the

55:01

organization. Get them to wrap their

55:03

arms around you. Get an ally inside. But

55:05

then if it is really really tough, think

55:08

about maybe this isn't the place for me.

55:11

Is that your home? And think back to

55:13

what the the um contributor said in my

55:16

book.

55:17

Brilliant. Thank you. That's really good

55:19

advice. Um, another question was um, h

55:23

how can we infiltrate was the word which

55:25

I thought was great. How can we

55:27

infiltrate the the mainly white male um,

55:31

middleclass SLTs?

55:35

Oh, do you know what I will share is

55:39

that

55:40

um I'm I'm doing some work with a number

55:43

of trusts actually and one of the quest

55:46

I show them the slide around all white

55:48

slts and a lot of the people I'm working

55:51

with there's 30 CEOs and there is an

55:55

acknowledgment that this is not okay and

55:58

I think that's a start right I think

56:00

it's a it's a start that Some CEOs are

56:04

acknowledging that their senior team,

56:06

their trust team is all white and that's

56:08

not okay. Um, how you infiltr infiltrate

56:13

here is

56:16

um, yeah, I don't I don't think I've got

56:18

a silver bullet, but what I will say is

56:21

that um, there are a lot of people in

56:24

this space who really want to help

56:26

others on their journey. You know,

56:28

there's there's there's there's hundreds

56:31

of me out there who if somebody said,

56:33

"Could you help me with an application?

56:35

Do you know of a school? Could I run

56:37

something by you?" There's loads of us

56:40

because of our own lived experience that

56:42

we feel that we want to help. And so I

56:45

would say find again, you know, people

56:48

that are going to be there for you, who

56:50

are going to support you. Um and like

56:53

when you get so that you can get help

56:55

with the applications, with the

56:57

interview practice, etc., etc. And then

57:00

when you do get feedback that is woeful,

57:03

just keep challenging it. Keep

57:05

challenging it because at some point

57:08

something has got to give. And you know,

57:11

if in an interview you can throw in the

57:14

the Bridget Philipsson quote around

57:16

belonging um and you know inclusion, it

57:20

kind of might make the interview panel

57:22

think oh right yeah, we need to do

57:24

something about this. It is it is it is

57:28

tricky, you know. I'm not going to deny

57:30

that. And the the data bears it out, but

57:34

there's lots of people there to help is

57:36

what I want to say. Brilliant. Thank

57:38

you. um somebody works in a

57:41

predominantly white town. Yeah. How

57:44

would you suggest promoting diversity to

57:46

the children that that are in that

57:48

context in a school who do not

57:50

experience it in their local community?

57:53

Yeah. And do you know I think that's a

57:55

great question. I get um asked it often

57:58

and I this is just my view. I think that

58:02

the work is ever more needed sometimes

58:04

in the in you know white British towns

58:07

um because if the children there might

58:11

live in a bubble and never see somebody

58:13

in a different space then actually we're

58:16

doing them a disservice. So I would go

58:19

beyond the we're going to do Black

58:21

History Month, we're going to do Pride

58:23

Month, we're going to do this month,

58:25

we're going to do that month. What I

58:27

would say is it's the golden thread in

58:30

your curriculum. It really is the golden

58:32

thread in your curriculum. That's number

58:34

one. Number two, there's something

58:37

around being

58:38

intentional with um with your

58:42

recruitment because you know if you go

58:44

on the TZ, they all look the same. They

58:47

all sound the same. There's and I in in

58:51

my book I kind of offer a great example

58:54

which Rachel Mfaran kind of came up with

58:56

which is around if we can advertise

58:59

differently we might attract differently

59:03

and so then that will change what the

59:05

young people the children are seeing in

59:07

in the town um you know all all white

59:11

all white um community but for me I

59:13

would say look at your curriculum

59:16

because that's where you're going to

59:17

start and maybe try and um move away

59:22

from the month celebrations and just

59:26

kind of weave it through throughout

59:28

throughout the year. Thank you. And you

59:30

touched on um uh recruitment there.

59:34

Another question was how do we encourage

59:36

a diverse group to apply for jobs? And

59:39

you've just said about changing the way

59:41

that you advertise. Can you give any

59:44

advice on how you change it or where

59:47

people could go to get that information

59:49

from Rachel McFarland? Yeah, so apart

59:52

from like your advert in terms of being

59:55

very intentional being very open and

59:57

transparent in the fact that we

60:00

currently do not represent if if you

60:03

don't we currently do not have a diverse

60:05

representation in our in our um

60:09

leadership team and school. So being

60:11

open about that I think is really

60:13

important. And I also say that a the TZ

60:17

is very expensive. Maybe hopefully not

60:19

the TZ is on here, but it is very

60:21

expensive. And there are I call them

60:23

like grassroots organizations that will

60:27

kind of um share your job adverts,

60:30

right? So there's diverse ed, there's

60:33

women ed, there's bay ed. Um there's

60:36

aspiring heads, there's so I'm um I'm

60:41

connected with school. We have three

60:43

networks. We have the women's network,

60:45

the LGBT plus network, the ethnic

60:48

minority network and we somebody sends

60:51

me a job happily kind of share that in

60:54

our networks which means that it's

60:57

getting more traction and um it's going

61:01

out to a more diverse kind of group of

61:03

of applicants. So, you know, I could I

61:06

could do a whole session on recruitment,

61:08

but um there's something around your

61:11

advert, but then there's something about

61:13

when I come and visit your school,

61:15

there's something about that panel when

61:17

I walk in, is it going to be a panel of

61:20

all white men? That's not going to make

61:22

a woman feel feel great, you know? It's

61:25

not going to make somebody from minority

61:26

ethnic background feel great. So, it's

61:28

being really intentional about making

61:31

sure you're doing everything that you

61:33

can to um to drive that sense of

61:37

inclusion. Brilliant. Thank you. Um this

61:40

question, the help and support you're

61:43

talking about um should it be there for

61:46

everyone regardless of ethnicity and

61:49

age?

61:50

Yeah, great question actually. Um yes, I

61:54

I I think help should be there for

61:56

everyone. I would say however that when

62:01

you look at the data that I showed in

62:03

terms of ethnic minority teachers and

62:06

leaders in the sector they are clearly

62:10

not getting help. So it's an equity

62:12

issue there. So um when you see that

62:15

marginalized groups are not getting the

62:18

help or they're not getting the

62:22

opportunities then I think it's

62:24

incumbent upon us to so so to do more

62:28

because everybody's starting points will

62:30

be different. The experience of a white

62:33

man going for an interview is very

62:36

different to a black man going for an

62:38

interview. Um, and I think only if

62:42

you've been in that black man's shoes

62:44

might you kind of understand some of the

62:48

subtle um the subtle differences that

62:51

there are. But I am definitely open for

62:55

everybody having opportunities in terms

62:58

of their career, the support that

63:00

everybody needs. But I'm very mindful of

63:03

equity.

63:05

Yeah. And I I think that's the key thing

63:06

there, isn't it? Equity versus equality.

63:09

It's not about the same for everyone.

63:12

Yeah. Um this is another interesting

63:15

one. Since I came from an Asian

63:16

background school which focuses more on

63:19

an intellectual quality rather than

63:22

emotional quality, how do I bring in

63:25

more of a sense of belonging into my

63:27

school setting?

63:29

Ah um wow. Can you just read that

63:33

question for me again? So when the since

63:35

I come from an Asian background

63:38

which focuses more on intellectual okay

63:41

yeah quality rather than

63:43

emotional how do I bring in more of a

63:46

sense of belonging yeah the setting yeah

63:49

I would say if you have any agency in

63:52

this space or the conversations that

63:53

we're having around it is that when we

63:56

look at the world

63:58

today and I think the world's kind of

64:00

turned upside down it's a bit bonkers

64:02

right that actually having the kind of

64:05

that academic focus and you know

64:08

everything that's going on in

64:09

curriculum, teaching and learning that's

64:11

all great but what our young people need

64:14

they also need kind of that awareness of

64:18

what's happening in the wider world and

64:21

I think you know if and if you're

64:24

primary secondary whatever but you know

64:26

opportunities through PSHE opportunities

64:28

through tutor time opportunities through

64:32

celebration ations. So there is that

64:35

kind of real sense of of belonging um

64:40

for for all communities in a school. But

64:43

I think there is a strong argument

64:45

particularly in today's world that

64:48

actually yes yes we have you know head

64:52

teachers and and teachers leaders you

64:54

know you've got the curriculum you know

64:57

you've got the exams at the end and so

64:58

on so forth but I I just think the

65:01

world's changing a bit and actually we

65:03

need young people to um to have that

65:07

real awareness of the world that we live

65:09

in be able to articulate that in a way

65:12

you those real you know skills around

65:15

compassion and empathy and so I think um

65:19

there is an argument for why that is so

65:22

important and then so if you've got the

65:25

argument for the why and then go to your

65:28

senior leaders well I think we can do it

65:31

here I think we could do it in PSH I

65:33

think we could do it when we're looking

65:35

at celebrations I think we can do it in

65:37

tutor time and just begin to sprinkle

65:40

that different fairy dust

65:42

that is different to what is already

65:44

there. Brilliant. Thank you. One last

65:47

one, I think, and then we're going to

65:49

start to wrap up. Um, and I'll read it

65:51

verbatim. Brown girl been working at her

65:54

mainstream school since 2018. Fought to

65:57

get her ECT year done, still on a

65:59

fixedterm contract on M4, teaching um

66:04

pupils mainly with SEND, which is a very

66:06

important role. What does she do to get

66:08

a permanent contract?

66:12

I would ask a question back but I will

66:15

try and give some answers though is that

66:17

your home is a question right if you've

66:20

been fighting and the word fighting or

66:23

you know trying to get a permanent

66:27

contract is that your home because when

66:30

you're working in a place where the

66:32

culture is remember the dare to dream

66:35

the opportunities if we're working in a

66:37

setting where those opportunities are

66:40

there and the culture is very much about

66:46

um you matter in this organization. We

66:50

really we're delighted that you're here.

66:53

That contract should have been signed

66:55

months ago. Is it your home? And if if

67:00

you do feel it's your home, then

67:03

actually um again, if you feel as a

67:07

brown as a brown girl that um you need

67:11

an ally to be with you, call upon that

67:14

person. You know, I'm I'm all into

67:16

scripting and writing things down so

67:18

that I don't miss a beat in terms of

67:21

when I'm trying to make a difference um

67:23

or trying to ask for something. So I

67:26

think there's something around um being

67:29

prepared for those meetings as to why

67:32

that contract should be signed. Know

67:35

your worth. Okay, you are worth the

67:38

signed contract. You know, you've been

67:40

there a while. You've done a great job

67:42

for those young people. You know, know

67:45

your worth. And if the push back is a

67:48

well, we can't sign it now or this isn't

67:50

the budget's is that your home.

67:53

Fantastic answer. Thank you. We we've

67:56

got more questions coming in, but

67:58

unfortunately we we are out of time, but

68:00

we we've still got over 600 people with

68:03

us and and I know your presentation

68:04

finished and that's we don't usually

68:06

have that many holding on. So, thank you

68:08

out there, all of you that have stayed

68:10

to listen to Elyn. Just to finish off,

68:12

I'm just going to read you some of the

68:14

some of the comments that came in.

68:16

Inspirational. Your testimony moved me.

68:19

I can really relate. So relatable. Such

68:22

powerful advice. Thank you. This is

68:25

chiming with me on so many levels.

68:27

Insightful and inspiring. I mean, what

68:30

what a way to sum up your your

68:32

presentation, your your time here, and

68:34

for what you're doing was just sending

68:36

this message out there, but supporting

68:38

so many people. So, thank you so much,

68:40

Eene. I'm so glad you went from Oxford

68:43

Street, no GCSEs, to MBE. I mean, what

68:47

what an amazing journey and just just

68:49

keep doing what you're doing. Thank you

68:51

so much. Thank you. Thank you for

68:53

everybody who joined. I I know I

68:55

appreciate your time. So that that yeah

68:56

means a lot to me too. Thank you. Thank

68:59

you everybody. And um as we said from

69:02

the beginning, this is recorded and um

69:05

it will be put onto your canvas so

69:07

you'll be able to access this access

69:10

fantastic presentation. Um we'll also be

69:13

putting some prompts for discussion so

69:15

you can join or continue this discussion

69:18

between each other. there's so much

69:20

still coming in that you want to say

69:21

your reflections. So, so thank you for

69:23

being so engaged and do join the the

69:26

forum and and keep those questions,

69:27

those reflections coming. Thank you.

69:30

Thanks everybody.

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