Fed Panic is STARTING: What Jerome Powell JUST Said
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Here's a complete summary of everything
that Jerome Powell said today. A few
quick notes first. He did not mention
the Philadelphia Fed survey or the
conference board surveys. In case you
didn't hear those, the Philadelphia Fed
non-manufacturing
uh so think services survey indicated
weaker employment, weaker revenues, but
more optimism. And really what I noticed
in the chart was if you drew sort of a
red line across the chart, there really
only been two prior times where we've
been in a situation where both of these
lines, future activity and current
activity are below the red line. COVID
uh and then briefly in 2022 as we
started raising rates and stocks were
falling off a cliff. Somewhat
interesting to see this on the Philly
Fed survey because you kind of also saw
some of these hints in the Conference
Board survey. Uh again, neither of which
Powell mentioned, but I think some of
the things he talked about are starting
to indicate he's getting a little closer
to to the realization that uh crap,
we're gonna have to cut rates pretty
soon. Cuz look at the conference board
survey. Here are the numbers on the
conference board survey. But what
matters in my opinion is is not just
that confidence came in lower than
expected, lower than prior, present
situation lower than prior, and
expectations lower than prior. What
matters is right here.
Confidence weakened in June, erasing
almost half of May's sharp gains.
Expectations on consumer short-term
outlook for income, business, and labor
market conditions fell to 69,
substantially below the threshold of 80.
That typically typically signals a
recession ahead. The cutoff date for the
data was June 18th. So the data was
collected between June 9th and 18th. So
in fairness, you've got a little bit of
a headache involved in there. Not too
much towards the end. Uh regarding the
strikes by Israel on Iran, we'd be
looking somewhere at uh yeah, kind of
dur during during that period, maybe
half of the data would have been
affected by some of the concerns over
Israel Iran. So it's unclear how much
obviously impact that would have on the
survey. But you do notice, you know,
it's it's a recessionary confidence
board survey and Philadelphia Fed survey
this morning was a little weak.
Yesterday, we also had a little bit of a
weak one. So, when we put this together,
it might make sense why we're starting
to see some of this shift in some of the
Fed commentary. Remember that on Friday,
we heard Governor Waller say, you know,
we might want to cut in July, a little
sooner than expected. Yesterday we had
heard Bowman and Goulby both echoed it
that and today Hammock came out also on
the Fed uh suggesting that the latest
inflation readings are encouraging and
and now this is the fourth Fed official
in 3 days to pitch hey inflation's low
maybe we should cut rates. This is odd.
Like this is a really odd sudden Fed
flip that's building and it's getting
worse and worse I feel like by the day.
Hammock says that the labor market seems
stable right now but immigration
restrictions could end up being a
barrier to growth in the medium term
which could lead to a rise in the
unemployment rate and again the Fed
needing to cut. Now, something that I
see in comments is people mistake the
Federal Reserve reducing rates with
money printing. These are very different
things. The Federal Reserve was cutting
rates in 2001 to try to minimize the
pain of the.com bubble and it did
nothing. What's important to remember is
the stock market continued to sell off
throughout 2001, 2002, uh, and basically
through early 2003 when you finally
bottomed out. What was the catalyst for
bottoming out? The money printer turning
on. So, there are different things. You
can cut rates. That doesn't necessarily
do anything for you immediately. There's
generally, as Powell always says, a long
and variable lag. Uh, and and even if
rates are low, you don't necessarily
know that businesses are going to borrow
and people are going to take advantage
of it if they're uncertain. So what
happens is you're in this weird
environment where you can actually cut
rates down down down down just like we
did in 01 and you don't actually sustain
the stock market or the economy. What
matters is actually turning the money
printer on and basically getting into
the ditch bailing stuff out directly.
And that is the precedent that has been
set by the Federal Reserve since the 80s
that when things get bad enough they
will come and turn the money printer on
and shower everything with cash and make
it all okay again. Just know that's
different from rate cuts. Now that that
kind of then begs the question, so are
rate cuts bullish or bearish? Well,
generally we think of rate cuts as
bullish because rates go down, people
can borrow more money on margin or real
estate debt or whatever and invest it.
But why are they cutting? And that's
where we're starting to get these hints
that they're starting to freak out about
jobs a lot. In fact, Jerome Powell went
as far as saying that artificial
intelligence will replace a lot of jobs.
There was no question his opinion there.
He said it will replace a lot of jobs
and in the short term we could see
significant reductions in employment and
that's what he's hearing from CEOs as
well which again sounds bullish cuts but
it's also bad recessionary right in in
that near term before you get to the
money printer. Now, he does say that
longer term AI will probably create jobs
and we'll see more productivity from
people, which is a good thing. But in
the meantime, we're just going to pay
attention really to any meaningful
increase in inflation on the goods
channel over the next uh you know,
essentially two months. So, this is
actually really interesting because you
should mark these two dates on your
calendar. You should mark uh July 15th
because that's when we're going to get
the June CPI report. And you should mark
August 12th because that's when we're
going to get the July CPI report. So
mark those calendars, those days on your
calendar, July 15th, August 12th. Powell
says, "We expect a meaningful increase
in inflation through the goods channel
in July and uh June in those reads."
Now, why does that matter? because it I
mean to me he basically gives us exactly
what to look for. Don't worry about
non-housing services. Don't worry about
housing services. Just see how much is
showing up in goods outside of food and
energy. So literally not food and
energy, not services, just goods, core
goods. That's all they're really going
to be looking at. And if there's no
inflation popping up in June or July
there and those inflation reads as we
get the reports July 15th to 12th, we
could be in a really great spot for
getting those cuts in September. Now, of
course, he also reiterates that
obviously if the jobs market weakens,
then we'll have to cut uh potentially
sooner than expected. And again, when
you combine this with what the other
folks at the Fed are saying and what
he's saying about artificial
intelligence, does it sound great for
the jobs market? He probably mentioned
five to 10 different times, if we see
weakness in the labor market, that would
change things rapidly. And that's
already what the other members of the
board are screaming like, hey, labor's
weakening, immigration's going to hurt,
AI is going to hurt, everything like
we're starting to see the signs. As you
saw in the conference board survey, in
the Philly Fed survey, people were
already starting to get a little bit
more nervous. and that sort of like
postliberation day, undoing liberation
day, like the pause of liberation day,
that enthusiasm may be starting to wne.
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean the
stock market's doing poorly at the
moment. I mean, frankly, you look at the
cues, we're literally at the 5401
rejection point. I you if you're part of
the course member group, the this is the
only way you're going to believe it. But
I said this is your rejection point
today. exactly 540 uh 01 on the line. I
didn't draw that line today. That line's
been there for months since February and
we perfectly rejected this. Uh and that
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Uh, and then I also said this morning
that I would not play the optimism on
Tesla because it was rallying and we
were up at 359 and I'm like, I would not
play the optimism today. We don't have a
second wind of a catalyst today. We were
up 8% yesterday. This is probably going
to get magneted down to 347 before it's
even worth playing. And sure enough,
magneted right down to 347. So if you
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meetc.com. So continuing with what
Powell says. Powell says we uh that he
he does believe that this time is
different. And I hate hearing that
phrase. He says this time is different
because in 2018 we hadn't been at 2%
inflation in a decade whereas now we've
been basically above 2% inflation for
well basically since co uh and so the
issue with this is he worries that goods
inflation could be larger and more
longlasting than than anybody would
really hope. Uh again the issue here is
that's why Powell is waiting. Now, I
agree with Donald Trump and saying
Jerome Pal's probably going to be too
late, but I understand I understand why
J. Pal is waiting. He doesn't want his
legacy to be in Arthur Burns 2.0. That
would be a Fed share from the 1970s.
Quick history lesson. In the 1970s,
every time the Fed got a new piece of
data, they increased rates, reduced
rates, and they basically had no
credibility for anything that they were
doing. Don't get me wrong, they don't
have a lot of credibility today, but
they definitely have a lot more today
than they did then. You didn't even have
a Fed put president back then. Paul
Vulkar put the pants on, raised rates to
about 18 to 20%. Crushed the back of
inflation through a double dip recession
198082 and then we had like a 10-year
bull market. Obviously, it took a little
bit of Fed money printing in the late
80s, you know, after a Black Monday. But
that said, you know, the the Fed
precedent has been one of, hey, we've
had 40 years of declining inflation
rates uh because of whatever
macroeconomic situations that occurred
during those 40 years and it's unclear
that those are going to repeat
themselves today. I disagree with
Powell. I think that the great
moderation will repeat itself. I believe
that by 2032, we will actually be in a
negative interest rate regime where
banks are charging you to leave money in
savings. But that's my opinion. Powell
might also have that opinion. Donald
Trump has that opinion that rates are,
you know, need to come down, right? But
Powell doesn't know. And so he's waiting
for that certainty. But he's really
starting to hint that cuts cuts are
coming. Like maybe we don't have to wait
as long as he said during the Fed
meeting. During the Fed meeting, he said
we're going to wait the next three
months. Today he's only talking about
waiting the next two months. And before
the last Fed meeting, you had nobody at
the Fed saying, "Oh yeah, we're going to
potentially cut as soon as July." Now,
just 3 days later or 4 days later,
actually, we're closer to 6 days later
from when the meeting was, but anyway,
within a week later, we have four
members saying, "Yeah, we might need to
cut sooner. Inflation's not showing up,
and the labor market is sucking." Now,
both of those are probably just a
different form of inflation showing up.
If you think about it, inflation may not
be showing up in CPI, consumer prices,
may be showing up in costs for
businesses, which then lead businesses
to lay off. And maybe that's why you've
got four people from the Fed going, "Ah,
crap."
Also, this morning you had Steve
Minutian,
and he said, remember our former
Treasury Secretary? He said, "We're
going to see 100 basis points lower," so
a whole percentage point lower in the
Fed rate soon. And it's common for the
Federal Reserve to say they're going to
wait and then suddenly cut. So minutian
is suggesting that Fed is just putting
on the hard face until, you know, that
JPL is just putting on the hard face
until we get through the next couple
months here of data. Uh and and then big
cuts are coming and that they might cut
aggressively because of the jobs market.
Remember, mark your calendar, July 15th,
August 12th.
Pretty incredible. Uh drum powell does
say that you know we are in a regime
where growth is slowing no doubt uh and
this is where he gets drilled like wait
like do you want growth to slow that's
weird. No obviously he doesn't but you
know then it sort of depends on on their
mandates. We've already heard that so we
won't replicate all of that. Uh
something else that was interesting is
he says that private credit has not been
through a real downturn. Okay, this is
actually a big phrase. He's basically
saying like companies like a firm and
the sort of like tertiary private credit
markets that exist have not been battle
tested in a recession yet. It's one of
the reasons and this is just sort of
like entrepreneur to entrepreneur here,
okay? Or or like investor to investor,
okay? I'm not this isn't designed to be
a pitch. House hack uh believes we have
it's it's sort of in our back pocket. We
think we have an extremely competitive
uh way to provide equity loans to people
who have a really low lockin rate, but
rates are high, right? So, you can't
capitalize that equity in your home. And
we think there are ways we can establish
that based on the value of homes with,
you know, potentially minimal uh I'm not
going to get into the competitive
advantages. Uh we'll talk about that
differently, different time. The problem
is you don't want to get into private
credit. And this is the investor
investor department. You don't want to
get into private credit.
If you're about to walk into a
recession, you want to get into credit
when you're coming out of a recession or
you're soft landing back into growth.
That's when you want to be exposed to
credit. So, I actually think Jerome
Powell is right on and it aligns, you
know, who knows, maybe I'm just this is
like the uh, you know, cognitive bias
associating with, you know, that's what
I've been thinking, so I'm picking up on
it. But I think it's very logical. I
mean like do I want to own a firm in a
recession? No, of course not. Uh but you
know, do I want like it could a firm be
a moonshot if you soft land? Hell yeah.
Right. So to me that seems pretty binary
because the risks of credit defaults are
massive uh in in a recession. So uh and
I think this is why he also brings up
that banks are what he says quote likely
risk averse in this environment. This is
also where they talk about debanking. Uh
the Federal Reserve actually just
removed reputation risk from uh the
requirements that banks sort of like
make sure they're in compliance. But
it's actually very common for
politicians or people on social media to
get debanked. Uh a lot of this had been
pointed at people who were Trump
supporters that ended up getting
debanked from like Bank of America or
whatever. Uh and and they basically just
send you a letter and they're like, "Ah,
you're too risky of a personality for us
to deal with. We just dump you." And it
doesn't necessarily mean the person's
done anything wrong. It's just the banks
basically picking and choosing and it's
almost like they you know just want
people who are silent in the public
space and uh Jerome Powell says the
Federal Reserve just recently U-turned
on their requirement as in within the
last 24 hours that uh you know banks
consider these sort of risks in their
you know in what kind of customers that
they have. Kind of interesting. Uh so
then we got let's see here if we don't
end up getting that goods inflation we
could end up cutting sooner and capital
requirements. Oh this is also a little
bit complicated. They talk about the SLR
uh the leverage ratios blah blah blah
capital requirements for banks blah blah
blah blah. Bottom line out of all of
this, if they end up loosening capital
requirements, it's possible that banks
might end up buying more treasuries,
which if banks buy more treasuries, you
could see treasury yields come down and
uh bonds basically rally up. So, for
example, if you wanted to play that, you
would invest into potentially something
like TLT, which is about a 25-year
Treasury bond fund ETF, which has
obviously just performed miserably ever
since the Federal Reserve cut 100 basis
points. It was skyrocketing last year
when we were worried about recessionary
levels of employment and then the
Japanese carry trade hit. Then the Fed
cuts 100 basis points to try to frontr
run some of the damage and Treasury
yields skyrocket 1% which just like
wrecked TLT. Uh that said, you can see
that over the last few days, the 10-year
Treasury yield has actually come down a
smidge here. Uh 10-year Treasury yield
has come down from about 4.51 down to
about 4 uh 29. You do also though have
the 210 spread bobbing right around that
50 level. That's usually where we're
right at the edge of shock level. So,
it's just something to pay attention to.
This morning, this was actually as high
as 51. Uh, and so this can be a
recessionary signal. Treasury yields
coming down can be a recessionary
signal. The conference board has a
recessionary signal. But something else
that can be a recessionary signal is
oil. Oil is down 6% today on the
ceasefire talk. And it's really not so
much that like this 6% decline is what's
a recessionary signal. It's actually
more so just this trend right here,
right? You can see this trend down on uh
the western blend of oil since 2022.
This collapsing over here potentially is
just a sign of a slowing economy.
Whereas the economy was still chock full
of money, cash, and liquidity in 2022
and excess savings. that's really being
drawn out of the economy or has been
drawn out of the economy almost entirely
which is why wealthier households are
mostly supporting almost all the
spending that's happening in the economy
right now. Uh and so it is an
interesting environment to see that
while oil markets are now essentially
collapsing into back to a recessionary
kind of call. Treasuries are starting to
you know indicate some some yield
reversal here. Powell and a bunch of Fed
people are starting to get a little
concerned about the labor market. it.
You know, the Q's are at the all-time
high line, which is a really remarkable
level to be at, but it also gives us a
little bit of a, you know, maybe a
warning and that, and I'm not trying to
be like a bear here or whatever, but I
am I I would say that if you're
literally knocking on the doors here, I
mean, you're at all-time highs, you
know, Robin Hood's absolutely killing it
because of the amount of people making
money just investing in stocks right
now, right? It does sort of beg the
question like, I mean, look at this.
This was the all-time high level we hit
was 85 after IPO. I was actually an
investor preipo through just about IPO
level right here. Uh and I sold uh I
missed all this crap down here. But um
what's interesting is uh you know when
you're at these really high levels you
do do sort of start asking yourself at
what point does it make sense to set
those trailing stops again just in case
the Federal Reserve does have to start
panic cutting rates and then it makes
you wonder could it be like 2001 where
the Fed is panic cutting rates and the
stock market is plummeting in the face
of rates being cut because again there's
a difference between rate cuts and the
money printer. You want the money
printer as an investor. rate cuts are
sound cool, but they're usually being
done because of underlying issues in the
economy. Uh, so I think that's that's
just an important duality. Again, that's
not saying sell everything now. It's
just saying, look, man, you know, if if
you set a a 6% trailing stop on the
cues, uh, you know, if the market goes
up another 6%, you're golden. Who cares?
It cost you nothing, right? But if the
market goes down to 506, you know, you
just auto trigger maybe enough to sell
to cover margin or some credit card debt
or whatever and you just protect
yourself a little bit. It's something to
consider. Maybe a little early right now
since we're still riding this like high
of like stable coin legislation. You
know, I actually tweeted which I thought
was uh pretty poignant. I know I'm
trying to like compliment myself here.
It's not because of an ego. It's it's
simply to say I actually think it's a
good idea, but uh I tweeted that X uh X
payments should have its own stable coin
and Tesla could then use that to process
robo taxi payments. Cut out the
middleman, right? Uh somebody asked me,
"What would you call that stable coin?"
Uh and I responded, "Taco."
Anyway, that's what the Federal Reserve
just said. And uh if you want more on
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Congratulations, man. You have done so
much. People love you. People look up to
you. Kevin Praath there, financial
analyst and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always
great to get your take.
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