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Fed Panic is STARTING: What Jerome Powell JUST Said

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Here's a complete summary of everything

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that Jerome Powell said today. A few

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quick notes first. He did not mention

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the Philadelphia Fed survey or the

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conference board surveys. In case you

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didn't hear those, the Philadelphia Fed

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non-manufacturing

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uh so think services survey indicated

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weaker employment, weaker revenues, but

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more optimism. And really what I noticed

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in the chart was if you drew sort of a

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red line across the chart, there really

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only been two prior times where we've

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been in a situation where both of these

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lines, future activity and current

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activity are below the red line. COVID

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uh and then briefly in 2022 as we

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started raising rates and stocks were

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falling off a cliff. Somewhat

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interesting to see this on the Philly

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Fed survey because you kind of also saw

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some of these hints in the Conference

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Board survey. Uh again, neither of which

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Powell mentioned, but I think some of

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the things he talked about are starting

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to indicate he's getting a little closer

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to to the realization that uh crap,

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we're gonna have to cut rates pretty

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soon. Cuz look at the conference board

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survey. Here are the numbers on the

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conference board survey. But what

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matters in my opinion is is not just

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that confidence came in lower than

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expected, lower than prior, present

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situation lower than prior, and

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expectations lower than prior. What

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matters is right here.

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Confidence weakened in June, erasing

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almost half of May's sharp gains.

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Expectations on consumer short-term

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outlook for income, business, and labor

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market conditions fell to 69,

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substantially below the threshold of 80.

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That typically typically signals a

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recession ahead. The cutoff date for the

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data was June 18th. So the data was

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collected between June 9th and 18th. So

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in fairness, you've got a little bit of

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a headache involved in there. Not too

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much towards the end. Uh regarding the

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strikes by Israel on Iran, we'd be

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looking somewhere at uh yeah, kind of

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dur during during that period, maybe

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half of the data would have been

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affected by some of the concerns over

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Israel Iran. So it's unclear how much

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obviously impact that would have on the

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survey. But you do notice, you know,

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it's it's a recessionary confidence

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board survey and Philadelphia Fed survey

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this morning was a little weak.

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Yesterday, we also had a little bit of a

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weak one. So, when we put this together,

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it might make sense why we're starting

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to see some of this shift in some of the

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Fed commentary. Remember that on Friday,

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we heard Governor Waller say, you know,

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we might want to cut in July, a little

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sooner than expected. Yesterday we had

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heard Bowman and Goulby both echoed it

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that and today Hammock came out also on

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the Fed uh suggesting that the latest

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inflation readings are encouraging and

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and now this is the fourth Fed official

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in 3 days to pitch hey inflation's low

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maybe we should cut rates. This is odd.

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Like this is a really odd sudden Fed

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flip that's building and it's getting

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worse and worse I feel like by the day.

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Hammock says that the labor market seems

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stable right now but immigration

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restrictions could end up being a

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barrier to growth in the medium term

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which could lead to a rise in the

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unemployment rate and again the Fed

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needing to cut. Now, something that I

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see in comments is people mistake the

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Federal Reserve reducing rates with

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money printing. These are very different

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things. The Federal Reserve was cutting

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rates in 2001 to try to minimize the

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pain of the.com bubble and it did

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nothing. What's important to remember is

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the stock market continued to sell off

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throughout 2001, 2002, uh, and basically

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through early 2003 when you finally

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bottomed out. What was the catalyst for

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bottoming out? The money printer turning

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on. So, there are different things. You

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can cut rates. That doesn't necessarily

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do anything for you immediately. There's

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generally, as Powell always says, a long

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and variable lag. Uh, and and even if

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rates are low, you don't necessarily

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know that businesses are going to borrow

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and people are going to take advantage

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of it if they're uncertain. So what

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happens is you're in this weird

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environment where you can actually cut

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rates down down down down just like we

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did in 01 and you don't actually sustain

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the stock market or the economy. What

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matters is actually turning the money

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printer on and basically getting into

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the ditch bailing stuff out directly.

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And that is the precedent that has been

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set by the Federal Reserve since the 80s

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that when things get bad enough they

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will come and turn the money printer on

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and shower everything with cash and make

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it all okay again. Just know that's

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different from rate cuts. Now that that

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kind of then begs the question, so are

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rate cuts bullish or bearish? Well,

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generally we think of rate cuts as

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bullish because rates go down, people

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can borrow more money on margin or real

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estate debt or whatever and invest it.

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But why are they cutting? And that's

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where we're starting to get these hints

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that they're starting to freak out about

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jobs a lot. In fact, Jerome Powell went

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as far as saying that artificial

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intelligence will replace a lot of jobs.

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There was no question his opinion there.

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He said it will replace a lot of jobs

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and in the short term we could see

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significant reductions in employment and

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that's what he's hearing from CEOs as

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well which again sounds bullish cuts but

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it's also bad recessionary right in in

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that near term before you get to the

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money printer. Now, he does say that

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longer term AI will probably create jobs

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and we'll see more productivity from

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people, which is a good thing. But in

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the meantime, we're just going to pay

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attention really to any meaningful

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increase in inflation on the goods

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channel over the next uh you know,

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essentially two months. So, this is

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actually really interesting because you

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should mark these two dates on your

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calendar. You should mark uh July 15th

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because that's when we're going to get

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the June CPI report. And you should mark

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August 12th because that's when we're

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going to get the July CPI report. So

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mark those calendars, those days on your

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calendar, July 15th, August 12th. Powell

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says, "We expect a meaningful increase

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in inflation through the goods channel

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in July and uh June in those reads."

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Now, why does that matter? because it I

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mean to me he basically gives us exactly

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what to look for. Don't worry about

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non-housing services. Don't worry about

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housing services. Just see how much is

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showing up in goods outside of food and

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energy. So literally not food and

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energy, not services, just goods, core

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goods. That's all they're really going

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to be looking at. And if there's no

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inflation popping up in June or July

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there and those inflation reads as we

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get the reports July 15th to 12th, we

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could be in a really great spot for

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getting those cuts in September. Now, of

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course, he also reiterates that

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obviously if the jobs market weakens,

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then we'll have to cut uh potentially

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sooner than expected. And again, when

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you combine this with what the other

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folks at the Fed are saying and what

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he's saying about artificial

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intelligence, does it sound great for

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the jobs market? He probably mentioned

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five to 10 different times, if we see

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weakness in the labor market, that would

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change things rapidly. And that's

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already what the other members of the

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board are screaming like, hey, labor's

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weakening, immigration's going to hurt,

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AI is going to hurt, everything like

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we're starting to see the signs. As you

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saw in the conference board survey, in

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the Philly Fed survey, people were

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already starting to get a little bit

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more nervous. and that sort of like

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postliberation day, undoing liberation

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day, like the pause of liberation day,

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that enthusiasm may be starting to wne.

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Now, that doesn't necessarily mean the

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stock market's doing poorly at the

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moment. I mean, frankly, you look at the

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cues, we're literally at the 5401

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rejection point. I you if you're part of

7:33

the course member group, the this is the

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only way you're going to believe it. But

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I said this is your rejection point

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today. exactly 540 uh 01 on the line. I

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didn't draw that line today. That line's

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been there for months since February and

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we perfectly rejected this. Uh and that

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Uh, and then I also said this morning

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that I would not play the optimism on

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Tesla because it was rallying and we

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were up at 359 and I'm like, I would not

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play the optimism today. We don't have a

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second wind of a catalyst today. We were

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up 8% yesterday. This is probably going

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to get magneted down to 347 before it's

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even worth playing. And sure enough,

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meetc.com. So continuing with what

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Powell says. Powell says we uh that he

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he does believe that this time is

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different. And I hate hearing that

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phrase. He says this time is different

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because in 2018 we hadn't been at 2%

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inflation in a decade whereas now we've

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been basically above 2% inflation for

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well basically since co uh and so the

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issue with this is he worries that goods

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inflation could be larger and more

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longlasting than than anybody would

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really hope. Uh again the issue here is

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that's why Powell is waiting. Now, I

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agree with Donald Trump and saying

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Jerome Pal's probably going to be too

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late, but I understand I understand why

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J. Pal is waiting. He doesn't want his

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legacy to be in Arthur Burns 2.0. That

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would be a Fed share from the 1970s.

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Quick history lesson. In the 1970s,

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every time the Fed got a new piece of

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data, they increased rates, reduced

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rates, and they basically had no

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credibility for anything that they were

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doing. Don't get me wrong, they don't

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have a lot of credibility today, but

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they definitely have a lot more today

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than they did then. You didn't even have

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a Fed put president back then. Paul

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Vulkar put the pants on, raised rates to

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about 18 to 20%. Crushed the back of

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inflation through a double dip recession

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198082 and then we had like a 10-year

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bull market. Obviously, it took a little

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bit of Fed money printing in the late

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80s, you know, after a Black Monday. But

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that said, you know, the the Fed

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precedent has been one of, hey, we've

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had 40 years of declining inflation

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rates uh because of whatever

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macroeconomic situations that occurred

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during those 40 years and it's unclear

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that those are going to repeat

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themselves today. I disagree with

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Powell. I think that the great

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moderation will repeat itself. I believe

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that by 2032, we will actually be in a

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negative interest rate regime where

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banks are charging you to leave money in

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savings. But that's my opinion. Powell

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might also have that opinion. Donald

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Trump has that opinion that rates are,

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you know, need to come down, right? But

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Powell doesn't know. And so he's waiting

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for that certainty. But he's really

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starting to hint that cuts cuts are

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coming. Like maybe we don't have to wait

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as long as he said during the Fed

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meeting. During the Fed meeting, he said

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we're going to wait the next three

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months. Today he's only talking about

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waiting the next two months. And before

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the last Fed meeting, you had nobody at

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the Fed saying, "Oh yeah, we're going to

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potentially cut as soon as July." Now,

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just 3 days later or 4 days later,

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actually, we're closer to 6 days later

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from when the meeting was, but anyway,

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within a week later, we have four

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members saying, "Yeah, we might need to

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cut sooner. Inflation's not showing up,

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and the labor market is sucking." Now,

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both of those are probably just a

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different form of inflation showing up.

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If you think about it, inflation may not

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be showing up in CPI, consumer prices,

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may be showing up in costs for

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businesses, which then lead businesses

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to lay off. And maybe that's why you've

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got four people from the Fed going, "Ah,

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crap."

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Also, this morning you had Steve

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Minutian,

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and he said, remember our former

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Treasury Secretary? He said, "We're

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going to see 100 basis points lower," so

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a whole percentage point lower in the

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Fed rate soon. And it's common for the

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Federal Reserve to say they're going to

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wait and then suddenly cut. So minutian

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is suggesting that Fed is just putting

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on the hard face until, you know, that

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JPL is just putting on the hard face

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until we get through the next couple

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months here of data. Uh and and then big

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cuts are coming and that they might cut

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aggressively because of the jobs market.

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Remember, mark your calendar, July 15th,

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August 12th.

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Pretty incredible. Uh drum powell does

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say that you know we are in a regime

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where growth is slowing no doubt uh and

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this is where he gets drilled like wait

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like do you want growth to slow that's

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weird. No obviously he doesn't but you

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know then it sort of depends on on their

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mandates. We've already heard that so we

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won't replicate all of that. Uh

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something else that was interesting is

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he says that private credit has not been

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through a real downturn. Okay, this is

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actually a big phrase. He's basically

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saying like companies like a firm and

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the sort of like tertiary private credit

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markets that exist have not been battle

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tested in a recession yet. It's one of

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the reasons and this is just sort of

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like entrepreneur to entrepreneur here,

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okay? Or or like investor to investor,

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okay? I'm not this isn't designed to be

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a pitch. House hack uh believes we have

12:58

it's it's sort of in our back pocket. We

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think we have an extremely competitive

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uh way to provide equity loans to people

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who have a really low lockin rate, but

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rates are high, right? So, you can't

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capitalize that equity in your home. And

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we think there are ways we can establish

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that based on the value of homes with,

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you know, potentially minimal uh I'm not

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going to get into the competitive

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advantages. Uh we'll talk about that

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differently, different time. The problem

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is you don't want to get into private

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credit. And this is the investor

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investor department. You don't want to

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get into private credit.

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If you're about to walk into a

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recession, you want to get into credit

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when you're coming out of a recession or

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you're soft landing back into growth.

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That's when you want to be exposed to

13:43

credit. So, I actually think Jerome

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Powell is right on and it aligns, you

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know, who knows, maybe I'm just this is

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like the uh, you know, cognitive bias

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associating with, you know, that's what

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I've been thinking, so I'm picking up on

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it. But I think it's very logical. I

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mean like do I want to own a firm in a

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recession? No, of course not. Uh but you

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know, do I want like it could a firm be

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a moonshot if you soft land? Hell yeah.

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Right. So to me that seems pretty binary

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because the risks of credit defaults are

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massive uh in in a recession. So uh and

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I think this is why he also brings up

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that banks are what he says quote likely

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risk averse in this environment. This is

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also where they talk about debanking. Uh

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the Federal Reserve actually just

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removed reputation risk from uh the

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requirements that banks sort of like

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make sure they're in compliance. But

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it's actually very common for

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politicians or people on social media to

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get debanked. Uh a lot of this had been

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pointed at people who were Trump

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supporters that ended up getting

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debanked from like Bank of America or

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whatever. Uh and and they basically just

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send you a letter and they're like, "Ah,

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you're too risky of a personality for us

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to deal with. We just dump you." And it

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doesn't necessarily mean the person's

14:52

done anything wrong. It's just the banks

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basically picking and choosing and it's

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almost like they you know just want

14:57

people who are silent in the public

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space and uh Jerome Powell says the

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Federal Reserve just recently U-turned

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on their requirement as in within the

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last 24 hours that uh you know banks

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consider these sort of risks in their

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you know in what kind of customers that

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they have. Kind of interesting. Uh so

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then we got let's see here if we don't

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end up getting that goods inflation we

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could end up cutting sooner and capital

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requirements. Oh this is also a little

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bit complicated. They talk about the SLR

15:26

uh the leverage ratios blah blah blah

15:29

capital requirements for banks blah blah

15:30

blah blah. Bottom line out of all of

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this, if they end up loosening capital

15:34

requirements, it's possible that banks

15:35

might end up buying more treasuries,

15:37

which if banks buy more treasuries, you

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could see treasury yields come down and

15:44

uh bonds basically rally up. So, for

15:47

example, if you wanted to play that, you

15:49

would invest into potentially something

15:50

like TLT, which is about a 25-year

15:54

Treasury bond fund ETF, which has

15:57

obviously just performed miserably ever

15:59

since the Federal Reserve cut 100 basis

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points. It was skyrocketing last year

16:03

when we were worried about recessionary

16:05

levels of employment and then the

16:06

Japanese carry trade hit. Then the Fed

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cuts 100 basis points to try to frontr

16:10

run some of the damage and Treasury

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yields skyrocket 1% which just like

16:14

wrecked TLT. Uh that said, you can see

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that over the last few days, the 10-year

16:20

Treasury yield has actually come down a

16:22

smidge here. Uh 10-year Treasury yield

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has come down from about 4.51 down to

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about 4 uh 29. You do also though have

16:32

the 210 spread bobbing right around that

16:34

50 level. That's usually where we're

16:37

right at the edge of shock level. So,

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it's just something to pay attention to.

16:40

This morning, this was actually as high

16:42

as 51. Uh, and so this can be a

16:45

recessionary signal. Treasury yields

16:47

coming down can be a recessionary

16:49

signal. The conference board has a

16:51

recessionary signal. But something else

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that can be a recessionary signal is

16:55

oil. Oil is down 6% today on the

16:58

ceasefire talk. And it's really not so

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much that like this 6% decline is what's

17:03

a recessionary signal. It's actually

17:05

more so just this trend right here,

17:07

right? You can see this trend down on uh

17:10

the western blend of oil since 2022.

17:13

This collapsing over here potentially is

17:15

just a sign of a slowing economy.

17:18

Whereas the economy was still chock full

17:20

of money, cash, and liquidity in 2022

17:22

and excess savings. that's really being

17:24

drawn out of the economy or has been

17:26

drawn out of the economy almost entirely

17:28

which is why wealthier households are

17:30

mostly supporting almost all the

17:32

spending that's happening in the economy

17:34

right now. Uh and so it is an

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interesting environment to see that

17:37

while oil markets are now essentially

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collapsing into back to a recessionary

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kind of call. Treasuries are starting to

17:43

you know indicate some some yield

17:45

reversal here. Powell and a bunch of Fed

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people are starting to get a little

17:49

concerned about the labor market. it.

17:52

You know, the Q's are at the all-time

17:54

high line, which is a really remarkable

17:56

level to be at, but it also gives us a

17:58

little bit of a, you know, maybe a

18:00

warning and that, and I'm not trying to

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be like a bear here or whatever, but I

18:03

am I I would say that if you're

18:05

literally knocking on the doors here, I

18:07

mean, you're at all-time highs, you

18:09

know, Robin Hood's absolutely killing it

18:11

because of the amount of people making

18:12

money just investing in stocks right

18:14

now, right? It does sort of beg the

18:16

question like, I mean, look at this.

18:17

This was the all-time high level we hit

18:19

was 85 after IPO. I was actually an

18:22

investor preipo through just about IPO

18:24

level right here. Uh and I sold uh I

18:28

missed all this crap down here. But um

18:32

what's interesting is uh you know when

18:34

you're at these really high levels you

18:36

do do sort of start asking yourself at

18:38

what point does it make sense to set

18:40

those trailing stops again just in case

18:42

the Federal Reserve does have to start

18:44

panic cutting rates and then it makes

18:46

you wonder could it be like 2001 where

18:48

the Fed is panic cutting rates and the

18:51

stock market is plummeting in the face

18:52

of rates being cut because again there's

18:54

a difference between rate cuts and the

18:55

money printer. You want the money

18:57

printer as an investor. rate cuts are

19:00

sound cool, but they're usually being

19:02

done because of underlying issues in the

19:04

economy. Uh, so I think that's that's

19:07

just an important duality. Again, that's

19:08

not saying sell everything now. It's

19:10

just saying, look, man, you know, if if

19:12

you set a a 6% trailing stop on the

19:14

cues, uh, you know, if the market goes

19:17

up another 6%, you're golden. Who cares?

19:19

It cost you nothing, right? But if the

19:21

market goes down to 506, you know, you

19:25

just auto trigger maybe enough to sell

19:27

to cover margin or some credit card debt

19:29

or whatever and you just protect

19:31

yourself a little bit. It's something to

19:33

consider. Maybe a little early right now

19:35

since we're still riding this like high

19:37

of like stable coin legislation. You

19:39

know, I actually tweeted which I thought

19:41

was uh pretty poignant. I know I'm

19:44

trying to like compliment myself here.

19:45

It's not because of an ego. It's it's

19:47

simply to say I actually think it's a

19:48

good idea, but uh I tweeted that X uh X

19:53

payments should have its own stable coin

19:57

and Tesla could then use that to process

20:00

robo taxi payments. Cut out the

20:02

middleman, right? Uh somebody asked me,

20:04

"What would you call that stable coin?"

20:06

Uh and I responded, "Taco."

20:12

Anyway, that's what the Federal Reserve

20:13

just said. And uh if you want more on

20:15

that uh on on sort of strategies on

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could use coupon code jpal. Why not

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advertise these things that you told us

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20:38

advertising and see how it goes.

20:39

Congratulations, man. You have done so

20:41

much. People love you. People look up to

20:43

you. Kevin Praath there, financial

20:44

analyst and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always

20:47

great to get your take.

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