Top 10 Best Investments for the Coming 2025 Recession.
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in this video I'm going to give you 10
Investments to or to not make in a
recession we'll talk about the best and
the worst let's get started number one
robotics now this might sound crazy like
why would you want to invest in robotics
or robots in the next recession well
that's because I believe this next
recession is going to be very unique and
this video is not going to be about why
I think we're going to have a recession
we know there is going to be another
recession we don't know exactly when
that's going to be but but this next
recession will be the first real
recession where we actually have
broad-based use of artificial
intelligence and potentially to some
extent robotics as well this means
industries from legistics Diagnostics
underwriting any customer service or
sales a slice maybe if it's only 10 20%
still a lot of all of those workers
might be replaced by artificial
intelligence and Robotics especially in
a recession see here's the real problem
most companies don't like doing layoffs
they prefer doing what are called quiet
layoffs they're basically a way of
saying we're going to make things a
little less cushy and comfortable around
here and kind of hope that you leave
because it'll lower our costs which will
increase our bottom line and frankly
ever since we sort of opened up our
economy to China costs for labor as a
percentage of corporate profits have
been plummeting in otherwise in well put
in another way workers are making less
money and corporations and stockholders
are making more money now in a recession
stockholders get punished we'll talk
about that in just a moment but this
will be the first recession where
artificial intelligence and Robotics is
at play to not contribute necessarily to
the recession but to actually make the
recession longer and harder to get out
of see remember a recession is a period
of time usually two quarters in a row of
negative GDP and a period of time of
uncharacteristically high employment
unemployment see we actually had two
quarters of negative GDP in
2022 q1 and Q2 but we didn't really call
that a recession because the
unemployment rate was really low around
3.3% so so it wasn't considered that we
were in a recession even though stocks
fell 30 to
70% certainly felt like we were going
into a recession but people hav had
enough money to keep spending up to some
extent yeah growth estimates came down
but nobody really got laid off during
that quasi recession instead the
recession that I'm talking about would
be more of a Great Depression or 2008
style recession and this recession will
be the hardest and will take the longest
amount of time to get out of because
ordinarily what happens in a
recessionary period of time like what we
saw during uh the 2003 era uh March of
2003 we had the Federal Reserve
essentially bail out the stock market
and companies started hiring again you
had that happen in February of 2009 you
had that happen in March of 20 uh 20
during covid uh to a smaller extent you
had the bond uh bond market rescued by
the Federal Reserve at the end of 2018
so the Federal Reserve is sort of known
for trying to fed put the markets
basically prop up hiring but the issue
is companies right now may not be laying
off heavily because they prefer that
quiet laying off I talked about and what
happens is they sort of wait to lay off
until really everybody is laying off
because then their stock prices get
punished less and that means there's a
higher likelihood of many companies
laying off people rapidly all at the
same time and the downside of that is
where are those people going to get jobs
we barely have enough jobs today to
cover everybody who's unemployed getting
a job if they were perfectly matched
assuming all the job postings that are
open today are actually open sometimes
people forget to take job postings down
happens a lot with you know the job
posting websites like indeed and
otherwise because those platforms sort
of incentivize you to forget about your
job posting so they can keep collecting
Revenue it's a problem probably excuse
some of the numbers but now imagine you
add to you know say 6 million unemployed
and 6 million job openings add you know
10% of people losing their jobs well
that would be another 15 million you
could be in a place of 21 million
unemployed people and only 6 million
jobs and if half of those are fake or
disappear you've got 3 million jobs
available for 21 million people your
workers available to jobs ratio would be
7 to1 it would be a miserable miserable
depression 21 million people unemployed
would represent an unemployment rate of
around
13.2% and it could happen very rapidly
placing these people back into jobs in
the era of Robotics and artificial
intelligence is going to be hell it's
going to be very very bad and this is
why part of me is really tempted to
expand my investments into robotics I'm
doing due diligence right now on some
robotics companies that are private and
I might be making some VC Investments on
top of the VC Investments I've already
made into some of these robotics
companies because I think some big
changes are coming stay tuned to the
channel we'll have more information on
uh these deals that are going on number
two let's talk mortgages H now this one
doesn't sound as fun as robotics
robotics I mean and I want to separate
quickly robotics from AI I don't mean AI
right I don't mean like investing in
chat GPT at $158 billion when you know
these language Nets are just going to be
a dime a dozen in a few years in a few
years Apple will have one Google's
already got one Microsoft uses obviously
uh open AI GPT uh Amazon's throwing
money into anthropic which makes Cloud
uh claw rather you've got um meta AKA
Facebook and Mark Zach working on llama
everybody's got their neuronet okay this
this is not where you want to invest in
my in my opinion everybody's gonna have
a neural net that's not the place I'm
talking real robotics like physical
robots yeah that actually integrate
these neural Nets that's a big one okay
now we got to talk Mor mortgages I know
I'm bluring these together a little bit
here but I just wanted to clarify that
to make that exceptionally clear I also
kind of think the chip Market is played
out because once the AI infrastructure
is built out you're not going to see all
these new orders for more and more and
more AI so I think there's some downside
risk there when that said let's talk
mortgages now mortgages this sounds
extremely boring why would somebody want
to invest in mortgages ordinarily you
wouldn't want to mortgages right now a
lot of them are locked in at 3 to 3 and
1 12% some people even locked in 2.7% on
their 30-year mortgages big fan of the
30-year mortgage you all know I'm a real
estate broker a big real estate investor
run a real estate startup big fan of
real estate also financial advisor and
you know I've got a bunch of broker
dealer related
licenses but the point of
mortgages is mortgages actually go up in
value especially the higher interest
rate
mortgages when interest rates come down
so when interest rates come down we
expect everybody who has a mortgage at
four five 6 7
8% first of all their mortgage is going
to be worth more than what it was
previously obviously there's some risk
because some people could end up having
to default on their mortgages but if you
get Prime rated mortgages your default
risk is usually a lot lower you know
subprime mortgages you want to stay away
from but after Dodd Frank and the
ability to repay I don't think the next
recession is going to be a 2008 style
recession I think most of the people who
have the ability to repay are probably
going to be able to at the very least
make their mortgage payment it's not
going to be the first payment they stop
making they'll be much more likely to
stop making their affirm buy now pay
later loan payment than they are to stop
paying their mortgage especially since
they know that'll tank their credit and
that they risk losing a valuable asset
uh unless of course they're woefully
upside down but again because of the
ability to repay and because of prime
mortgages I don't actually think this
will be a real estate L crash that's why
I think mortgages are so interesting now
don't get me wrong markets like Texas
and Florida they having idiosyncratic
problems that means they're having their
own problems where those markets were
overbuilt during covid because
everybody's going there for
Freedom okay great well then you
overbuild there with your freedom and
now you've got a glut of Supply too much
Supply prices come down not enough new
people coming because now people also
have at least some Freedom still in
places like California we like to say
cnia I'm from there so I feel like I can
say it but anyway what are you going to
do so my belief is that default risk on
Prime mortgages is relatively low uh
however what's interesting is the value
of mortgages goes up as yields fall in
the marketplace and in a recession I
expect the long end of the curve to fall
as well and then I think these mortgages
will become more valuable but there's
also refinance risk and this is why I
specifically like companies that also
originate mortgages so that way they're
making a new loan and collecting the fee
on that loan and so you get the best of
both you get a company that has a
mortgage that becomes more valuable as
you enter a challenging environment
assuming low defaults and if people end
up refinancing hopefully before they
lose their jobs you end up capturing
that refinance revenue and then again
you have a quality
mortgage and I actually think if rates
come down slowly because we slowly back
into a recession then what you end up
getting is potentially multiple
refinances you know somebody refinances
when rates Dro to 5% they refinance
again when rates drop to
3% it's an idea some options you might
consider looking at here and I've got
some exposure to these just keep that in
mind uh but rocket mortgage I think is
probably your best positioned and the
stock has been on sale lately United
Wholesale Mortgage Company another one
that's the number two one I'd Rank and I
really rank these based on how much they
actually have in on their balance sheet
in the way of mortgages uh how much
pricing power I think the actual brand
has for doing
loans and uh their servicing rights I
sort of evaluate all of these on their
balance sheets uh the most risky out of
all of these but that has the most
upside is probably a lan Depot uh that's
uh ldi is the ticker for that you could
also potentially play a stock like red
fin because they do mortgages but you
have to be really careful with this one
it's a lot more volatile it's a great
company and it's not going anywhere but
it definitely has downside risk as well
because they make a lot of their money
from actual transactions less so
mortgages but they might be able to ramp
their Mortgage business really well
during a recession so mortgages are an
interesting play for me uh especially
residential that's the other thing the
companies that I mentioned here they all
pretty much focus on prime lending not
subprime ability to repay lending and
they focus on residential real estate
you kind of want to stay away even from
multi family I'm a big fan of uh single
family right
now okay uh next option oh uh I guess
another thing to look at here uh you
know selfish Shameless plug if you will
right here uh I actually think the
investment option that we have opened
for house hack right now house hack.com
is really ideal because it's a
convertible Bond basically but uh if we
go public at some point in the future
you get pretty much all of the upside
because you get converted to stock so
you get all of the upside but while
we're not converted you get paid 5%
interest because you own a bond and
because the company basically has I
don't know less than 4% debt which is
very very low uh it's a company that we
believe
we'll do very well in our session be
able to pick up some sweet deals so
check that out house act.com not a
solicitation here go read the PPM over
there uh there's a deadline on that one
for December 13th by the
way okay um so number three stay away
this this would be a bad one so I think
robotics good private Investments maybe
in robotics mortgages there's risk here
but I think there's a lot of upside here
as well a lot more than people recognize
because this is not going to be the
single family crash this is I think
there's there's a dip opportunity on
mortgage companies right now just
because rates have gone so high and I
think they're really topping out but
we'll talk more about rates in a moment
another one that I would avoid or the
first one that I would avoid would be
small cap stocks I actually think small
cap stocks like your Russell 2000 would
probably be your absolutely worst
investment right now the Russell 2000 is
sitting at one of the highest
percentages yet for unprofitable small
caps with up to 40% % potentially not
able to pay their debts with the income
they're making this makes them zombie
companies worst of all these smaller
companies are small for a reason it's
because either they're new which makes
them more at risk or they're small
because they've just never been able to
grow up into a big boy or big girl some
of these companies have been small caps
for decades and they just don't grow up
this puts them most at risk of
disruption and getting replaced during a
recession just straight up going
bankrupt so out of all of them Dow Jones
S&P 500 NASDAQ small caps are probably
the most Reckless investment that you
could make in the stock market right now
and look while it's sexy to say oh Trump
is going to save the world or you know
hey uh there'll never be a recession
again or whatever well it's sexy to say
that and it's really fun especially when
the stock market's going up you got to
be aware of your downside risks as well
because there's no such thing as a
riskless investment and this if we're
going into a recession I just think is a
reckless investment to make of course
nothing in this video is personalized
Financial advice that's just my take
number four I like cash now this sounds
crazy a lot of people get mad at me when
I say cash but cash you know they go oh
cash is trash cash is not trash cash is
opportunity see the reason uh Berkshire
Hathaway and Warren Buffett have done so
well is not because they could read the
best balance sheet it's because they
wait they have so much patience to wait
for really good deals and when those
really good deals come up they have the
cash to buy and that makes me very
excited now Warren Buffett himself
doesn't actually go straight into Cash
he prefers shortterm treasuries less
than one year in duration now one of the
reasons those are nice is because you
generally have good liquidity you have
low risk of principal loss and the
one-year treasury right now at least
when I last checked uh yeah it's
yielding a pretty good yield the
one-year treasury as of the recording of
This is yielding
4.4% which is crazy that's a pretty high
number in my opinion and the six-month
treasury is yielding
4.5% now those numbers could change over
time but even if they're yielding 2% I
think they're a good opportunity for
parking cash because if you put money
into a money market like a
VXX a Vanguard money market style fund
uh it's possible that those rates are
going to plummet very very quickly so if
you can lock in 4.5% for a year or 4.3%
or whatever it is right now for a year
and then in 6 months they drop rates
substantially at least you have another
6 months of that yield or just have
straight cash sitting in like a you know
Robin Hood or whatever the danger with
that is if it's in Robin Hood you're
probably going to swipe up some stocks
and blow
it number five uh high quality corporate
bonds uh now one of the nice things
about high quality corporate bonds is
usually in a recession liquidity is so
tight that you can generally get really
discounted Bonds on great companies that
aren't going to go bankrupt like apple
for example and you can often get
because bonds will sell at a discount
account when people need liquidity you'd
often get some of these high quality
corporates at excellent yields
potentially 8 n 10% 11% on like an apple
corporate should be buying these all day
long now they're not always available
and you have to hunt for these and so
this one's a little bit more nuanced
Niche talk to your financial adviser or
your Banker about high Guild Bond
options and uh I'm sure they'll have a
whole menu for you to pick from if I
wanted High uh
high quality corporate bonds I just call
up my Bankers over at JPM and ask for
help you could probably do the same
wherever you Bank they're plenty of
advisers that would love to help you
especially at Banks they've got plenty
of portfolio products for this or market
products as well number six now this one
is you know people defer on this one
just straight up longer term treasury
bonds so technically in a recession you
usually see bond yields across the Curve
come down let's assume this right here
is like your 20 and 30 year this side
and this is like your two-year treasury
when you have an inverted yield curve it
means that your shorter term is actually
higher than your longer term that's
broken that's a warning sign of
recession well in a recession usually
both go down but the 2-year yield Falls
faster that means even though the 2030
year yields coming down those mortgage
rates are coming coming down as well
you're getting the two falling faster so
some people like to invest in the 2-year
but I don't actually think as an
investment the two years is a great
option it's too cash-like so instead
what I like is investing in uh the
longer term uh treasury bonds because I
personally expect this next recession is
going to be
deflationary not inflationary a lot of
people have different opinions than me
on this and that's okay this is just my
take my take is this will be a
deflationary recession that comes and
the longer on the curve you are the more
principal appreciation you'll see talk
about that in just a moment but some
options that you could look at if you
wanted to uh this is not sponsored I
have no affiliation with them but you
could just go to US Treasury etf.com US
Treasury etf.com they have a nice um
option here 5 year 7 year 10 year 20
year another option if you want to
compare would be like a TLT which would
be a 20- year comparable to the
utw Y over here uh TLT is a really
interesting one because it it has a lot
more liquidity and one of the things you
could do just because they don't move
that rapidly actual bond prices you know
you might get like 10% Bond swings in a
matter of 4 months that's not like a
meme stock you know it's kind of a low
movement uh but what I like doing is I
like going out on the Chain uh and I
I'll be frank like I bought some January
2026 versions of these uh 428 days out I
overpaid for them because I bought them
when TLT was uh a little expensive a
couple months ago so I made a little
oopsies here but I'm still very excited
about this because I actually think TLT
will go to 120 my base case is 120 uh
you know my bare case is
105 to 110 uh and I know we're at 90 now
so you can buy the dip on that but I'm
saying over the next year and uh and
then my bull case is that these are
going to go back to 140 150 bucks uh
this particular security which makes
options extremely desirable I think
that'll be a very very large payout on
them no guarantees obviously the timing
could just be wrong and I might close
that position and flip-flop on it sooner
but right now uh I'm very bullish on on
this because now I get a leveraged move
on the longer end of the curve with
options I get I get a leveraged option
on the longer end of the curve which I
think will come down in recession with
the two the two will go more rapidly but
because the principal doesn't move as
much I'm not really going to play
options here I'm going to play options
here and I've got liquidity I need
liquidity and I need movement in a
recession for this bet to really play
out might even go by the dip honestly on
some of these uh these options that I
have so we'll see okay so uh that is uh
number six number seven this one is a
good and bad so the good is because well
the topic here has to do with
commodities the good is going to be your
gold maybe even silver or platinum your
precious metals precious metals in a
recession almost always do exceptionally
well the nice thing about gold is it
does well if you have inflation and it
does does well if you have recession
does well in both
cases now I personally don't think we're
going to have a second wave of inflation
even when the Federal Reserve starts
stimulating with quantitative easing so
that's why I chose bonds instead of
gold I also think gold has run quite a
bit here on this fear of uh you know a
second wave of inflation or whatever so
I think the pricing is undesirable at
this position then there are bad
Industrial Metals these are going to be
things like copper uh and other
Industrial Metals because usually in a
recession those will plummet because
production slows down that should be
pretty
straightforward number
eight crypto is not going to be your
protector in a recession
cryptocurrencies and nfts and meme coins
momentum coins I like to call them are
going to do exceptionally well in a
bullish Market bullish stock market
bullish stock market at all-time highs
high levels of greed high levels of
options playing and speculative appetite
and the belief that everything is roses
going forward and there will only be
Perfection going forward
cryptocurrencies are great in that
environment and they will continue to
hit all-time new highs over and over and
over again until of course the party
stops and when the party stops digital
gold allaha Bitcoin will not protect you
I do not unfortunately believe that in a
recession certainly any momentum coin uh
like a mcoin uh and certainly not uh
your your um your frankly your Bitcoins
and your ethereum do not or or nfts I do
not believe any of these are going to
protect you in a recession they don't
protect you against inflation at this
point at least and I think they really
are more of an order book at this point
of to some extent greed in euphoric
times that is great when things are
great but it can get bad very very very
rapidly in a recession especially one
that lasts much longer than the co
recession so I would just be cautious in
crypto when it comes to recessionary
environment and anything that I owned
that I was nervous about I would just
set good to cancel stop losses so if I
broke below a certain point
automatically just sells
number nine now don't get me wrong I I
just want to be clear crypto okay in a
in a bullish you know momentum
environment number nine a good
investment could potentially be momentum
to the downside so something that people
like to do and bearish environments is
they will go out on the option curve
usually about 60 to 150 days and they
will buy puts they'll buy puts on highly
valued companies they'll take you know
some of the favorites I hate to say it
it's not to be you know angry or evil to
these companies it's just they have high
valuations Costco very high valuation
Wing Stop very high valuation uh you've
got uh paler Tesla these are all
companies with very rich valuations
right now uh and these rich valuations
will probably compress very rapidly in a
recession and you could catch that
momentum to the downside you catch that
momentum to the downside you might be
able to play it with options or even
straight shorts just be careful
everybody hates a bear so you really
don't want to tell anyone that you're
shorting number 10
investing in yourself now I know this is
crazy I've got a bunch of courses
obviously over at meetkevin.com I send
trade alerts I send trade ideas I do
fundamental analysis and I talk with my
course members every day the market is
open about fundamental analysis and what
the next steps of the current EC
economic state or what plays are
potentially considerable and uh what you
might want to pay attention to you can
join any of those over at Meek kevin.com
but no frankly if you want to protect
yourself from that investment number one
Robotics and you want to protect
yourself you got to get more Skillets
and you got to do things robots can't do
yet be a pilot be an AI programmer
become a robotics programmer go to
school for mechanical engineering get a
side hustle in these things even you you
realize you don't even have to
go learn this like like uh um you know
try to teach yourself some of these
things uh and it doesn't have to be your
primary job you could take a course take
a class take a something to elevate your
education and something else as a hedge
uh to what it is that you do so for
example if you're a real estate agent
maybe you want a side hustle going doing
some night classes and nursing just
saying if you really have a hard time in
sales maybe this will be a backup option
for you I'm not saying that what you
want to do you might think I'm crazy for
saying it but hey worst case scenario
you get a 2-year degree or license and
something that's functional and it's
always a
fallback uh the other op and you can
still use your real estate license for
your own deals now you have a W2 you can
qualify with another thing to consider
is trades learn how to do trades
Electrical Plumbing HVAC framing Roofing
handyman work anything that you could do
to get your butt on Yelp on upwork i o
Yelp stock by the way is very cheap
right now uh so is end phase but topic
for a different video uh whatever you
can do to get your butt uh advertised as
someone who's available for hire and
you're insulated from AI you know AI
ain't going to replace my Outlets
anytime soon that is something I I would
consider because you the last thing you
want is your income to dry up so there
you have it 10 Investments for recession
or not Investments you know selling some
of them and buying some others might be
good but these are my thoughts do
whatever you'd like quick recap robotics
mortgages stay away from Bad small caps
short-term treasuries and cash High
Yield Corporate bonds longer term
treasury bonds uh bad Commodities and
good Commodities good being gold bad
being copper bad crypto nfts uh number
nine the only momentum you want is not
upside momentum but downside momentum
and number 10 investing in yourself if
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