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Cathie Wood's URGENT, DANGEROUS Warning for 2022.

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but today we gotta talk about kathy wood

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suggesting that there could be a

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recession ahead of us and we gotta be

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worried about it oh man

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oh that was a perfect swallow thank you

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so folks let's take a look at what kathy

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wood just said because boy oh boy

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there's a lot in this

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now i want to start by saying this

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this comes across as defensive but also

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strong by kathy wood uh and uh this does

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not water down her message of the

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dangers and the prospects that our stock

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market faces going forward i highly

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respect this piece usually on fridays

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kathy wood not every friday but

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oftentimes does a video this time she

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decided to do a cold hard

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piece after she announced this piece on

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twitter

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obviously referencing her blog on her

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website uh bloomberg picked it up other

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websites picked it up but none of them

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actually gave a good summary of it imo

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because we're actually just gonna go

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through the meat of the matter here and

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do my own version because that's what we

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do okay here we go we're gonna get right

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into it and i'm gonna add my comments as

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we go so first of all kathy wood we need

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to know her

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funds have not done super well with the

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exception of her uh autonomous and robo

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taxi fund uh or or robotics fund i

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should say uh that is arc q rq you can

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always go to finance.google.com to kind

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of compare relative to performance other

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than arc q all of her funds are

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down for the year which is not great and

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again you can jump on over to see this

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yourself by uh just typing in

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finance.google.com we give it a

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year-to-date performance actually our

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queue just went negative uh my bad but

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anyway

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uh it's nothing to laugh at it's just is

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what it is but anyway uh look at arc w

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look at the genomics look at the

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innovation look at the fintech look at

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the space uh i mean every every one of

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the popular funds is is down here which

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is not great and you compare this

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performance to the nasdaq you're uh up

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24 on the nasdaq you're down 22

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year-to-date on the rk 31 on genomics

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and and so on and so forth so painful

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right painful painful performance a year

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today got it so what does kathy say

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about this well this is what kathy has

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to say kathy says that hey perhaps some

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of the concern that has been rotating

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that has been influenced by negative

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headlines in the media is the volatility

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of our strategy this is a core theme of

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what she talks about that her disruptive

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innovative strategies uh or are

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long-term investments these are a

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five-year planned investment

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that she renews essentially as she she

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this is hence the basis being an active

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etf she can change her strategies as she

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goes of course but her goal is investing

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for five years and so she's worried that

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people are comparing themselves to the

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benchmark of the s p 500 and when they

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compare themselves via this relative

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performance they take temporary losses

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and make them a permanent and so she

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believes that going forward forget about

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what the s p 500 does

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we are going to or at least we're

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expecting a 40

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compounded annual rate of growth over

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the next five years just to understand

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what that looks like if you took a

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hundred dollars multiplied it by a 40

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growth rate two times in a row you're

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almost double you're at 196 dollars if

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you do that for a full five years

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100

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turns into 537

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and so kathy is sending this warning

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that hey if you're trying to compare

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yourself to the benchmark you could be

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trying to invest in something that look

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in 2020 did a 16 return kathy's rk did

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over 150 right you could miss out on

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years like this by being worried about

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the 16 s p or the 24 or 25 or whatever

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the s p is doing this year and then be

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sad about the minus 22 this year who

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cares strategies are volatile you're

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gonna see that 150 then you're gonna see

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the 20 negative 22 then hopefully you

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see a 40 and a 60 maybe in a time when

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the s p does six percent next year maybe

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rkg as an example will return something

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like 50 and then people go oh my gosh

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kathy did almost uh eight times or just

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eight times a little over eight times

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what uh the s p did with her rg fund

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right this this is the nature of

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volatility that she's trying to explain

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i'm obviously simplifying this here but

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anyway

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she mentions that after 11 months in

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other words basically she's saying since

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february all of her strategies have kind

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of just been straight down and it's been

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very painful and she's saying after this

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11-month sell-off we are now in a deep

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value territory she didn't take it to

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the level of going deep effing value

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because i mean that that could have made

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a big difference here we could have gone

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to the to the moon on that just on

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momentum on monday but she did go use

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the phrase deep of value and she

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purposefully does this because what

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she's trying to do is she's trying to

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compare

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value stocks

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to

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deep value and for her opinion or in in

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her opinion and this is what she's

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talked about just putting together a lot

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of information from kathy wood uh over

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time her opinion is that a lot of

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apparent value stocks like uh like i

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don't know more of your classic kind of

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like the coca-colas of the world or

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whatever

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these companies are going to get

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potentially replaced by disruptive

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innovation and that these will end up

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being value traps maybe coca-cola is not

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the best example maybe a ford motor

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company is a better example where it's

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like hey is ford actually going to be

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able to innovate and stay the course

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with companies like whether it's xping

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motors which kathy would recently

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started investing in in china or tesla

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or some of the pure ev plays you know

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this is her argument right and her

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argument is that the same is true in a

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lot of the companies that have been

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terribly sold off this year uh

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specifically in the genomic space where

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they've become so cheap that not only do

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they look like value but their

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disruptive value rather than potentially

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being value traps that'll get all

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replaced by innovation these deep value

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plays are things that can 5x over the

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next five years this is a big selling

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feature she's talking about she's like

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don't compare me to the s p 500 when

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we're investing in deep f in value it's

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so much i mean she's got to be

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professional right so let's keep it

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clear but anyway uh you know this is

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where she spends a little bit of time

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talking about how she does not believe

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that her disruptive strategies her

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investments into companies like docusign

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teledoc or zoom she does not believe

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that these companies uh or uh or

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companies that are necessarily

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overvalued but she also disputes the

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argument that these are just

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stay-at-home plays she argues that look

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you've got a company like zoom that's uh

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down 68 percent from peak to trough for

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docusign 56 teledoc 70

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top to bottom high to low right uh and

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this at the same time as you've got

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companies like zoom and dock you sign

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crushing it in terms of revenues ebata

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increased 58

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uh over at uh zoom since the fourth

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quarter ended july 2020. uh that's

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that's incredible right so so these

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these are things where she's saying hey

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look we've got a lot of potential growth

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in these don't just call them

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stay-at-home place now one thing that i

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dispute with kathy here is that i think

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what they they may have missed here a

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little bit is trade psychology

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now i understand she is the five-year

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investor trade psychology is something

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that maybe is is in her opinion going to

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be less important over five years i

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respect that

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but here's what i mean when i say trade

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psychology when the pandemic struck

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people fled uh there was a flight a

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flight of people to docusign t-dock

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and zoom because these were not just a

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stay-at-home place

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as kathy's saying because she's saying

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hey they're not just stay-at-home place

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i agree uh here let's write this right

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stay at home they're not just

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stay-at-home place they're innovative

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place but the thing is people were not

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going to

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uh teledoc and zoom and docusign for

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innovation kathy's like hey i'm all in

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on this for the innovation well sorry

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people were not trading into these

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stocks for innovation they were trading

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into them as a stay-at-home safety play

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because if they were exposed

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to carnival cruise lines or the airlines

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or whatever they didn't have safety so

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those investors were able to flee to the

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stay-at-home cohort to to invest in but

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now stay at home has been on this

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downtrend

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and the carnival cruise lines and

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american airlines have been on a

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downtrend because of omicron so these

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folks are having to go to different

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safety place and right now it looks like

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that those safety plays are things like

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apple uh microsoft msft there we go

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whatever it doesn't matter you know what

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i mean apple microsoft uh even to some

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degree to some degree okay not as much

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but tesla

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adobe even though adobe had a little bit

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of compression recently facebook right

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these these are big companies that

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people seem to be fleeing to so there's

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this big basket of money in my opinion

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that flows around pandemic strikes it

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flows into docusign teledoc zoom

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recovery comes that big basket of money

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goes into what i talked about those

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airlines and the carnival cruise lines

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now those are a problem but you don't

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want to go back to teledoc zoom and

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docusign because we have fears of rates

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going up in valuation compression so

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instead we u-turn that line over here

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and we're going to the uh the fang right

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the netflix and so on and so forth and

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so i think that's the the trade

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psychology that was missed here and i

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think kathy wood and the team at arc had

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a missed opportunity to talk about this

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that a lot of these declines are not the

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market voting saying that these

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companies are bad

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it's people leaving the stocks who never

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meant to be in these stocks in the first

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place they just used them as a temporary

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uh cash park so to speak i think that

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was a missed opportunity an explanation

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and that's obviously why i'm talking

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about it now

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this either way you slice it kathy woods

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says brings these to a deep value level

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of of pricing so now let's talk a little

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bit about inflation this is the next

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part and this is the perfect part for

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you to take another sip of beautiful

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coffee because folks we got a lot to

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talk about with inflation and the first

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thing we're going to talk about with

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inflation is actually this word

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transitory and i want to tell you

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something that just happened hold on

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listen to this

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[Music]

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you don't necessarily have to listen to

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the coffee swallow but you have to

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listen to the transitory part okay

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jerome powell came out saying that

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inflation we're going to retire the word

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transitory right immediately when he did

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i made a video saying i think he's being

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politically swayed by joe biden i do not

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think that jerome powell thinks that

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inflation is no longer transitory in

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other words i think that general powell

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is still strategizing as if inflation is

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strategy is is transitory that he still

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thinks inflation is going to go down

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when these inflation or not the

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inflation when the supply chain issue

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subside we know this is a fact because

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if you look at the summary of economic

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projections from the federal reserve not

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that document different document right

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here if you look at the summary of

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economic projections

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not this scribble right here but rather

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this right here what do you end up

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getting you end up getting an estimate

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from the federal reserve that shows that

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inflation is going to fall

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uh by half in 2022. so the fed still

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seems to think that inflation is

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transitory which is important because

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this means the fed thinks that inflation

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is going down

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the mainstream media especially the

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right wing media right before the 2022

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election not taking political sides just

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calling it like it is they're going to

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do everything they can to back on biden

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and the best thing you can do to back on

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biden right now is go you idiot your

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policies cause inflation which don't get

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me wrong to some degree they may have

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they may have contributed look i i'm

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this is not political video okay just

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saying

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you're gonna get the mainstream media

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going oh yeah inflation's going to the

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moon uh and ironically you even got the

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left-leaning media

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making this argument because i honestly

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don't think they they understand that

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the flip side argument but that's okay

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we'll put that aside so you've got the

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fed thinking inflation's going down

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you've got the mainstream media thinking

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that inflation's going up but then guess

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where kathy wood falls

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she actually somewhat aligns with the

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fed then inflation's going to go down

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we're going to look at this here look at

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this

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all right broad-based market indices

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have rotated away from growth stocks

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towards value and defensive stock so she

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calls fang defensive uh

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fine that's kind of acknowledging that

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sort of flight to safety i think she

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missed that argument in in the uh the

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state home play but no problem

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then she says that inflation tends to

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benefit value stocks but in this case

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she's comparing value stocks to energy

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financial services industrials and

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materials in fairness a lot of materials

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have gone up a lot we'll talk about

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those in just a moment with the

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exception ironically of precious metals

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precious metals have not done very well

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uh in 2021 but anyway she mentions that

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higher interest rates tend to hurt

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aggressive growth stocks that sacrifice

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short-term profitability for the benefit

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of substantial growth in the future

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in other words in english oh and then

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this is the bs part from drone powell

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which we just talked about on the side

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but i'll come right back to that in

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other words

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kathy wood is saying that look when we

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have inflation and fears of inflation

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companies or or

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investment managers institutions they're

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going to look around at property or

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companies they're going to look around

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at other investment opportunities in

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companies and say hey wait a minute

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if we're going to have higher inflation

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then and we're going to do our

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discounted cash flow models which

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discounted cash flow does two things

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what it takes into account a discount

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rate and it takes into account future

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cash flow

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the problem is if you reduce the value

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of future cash flow

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on companies that already have very

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little future cash flow then the present

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value the pv of the companies is going

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to look a lot less and so she makes this

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argument here that companies investment

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companies are uh unfairly

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uh ignoring the fact that there are

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companies that are aggressively

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positioned for massive growth that yes

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sacrifice short-term profitability but

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in doing so i'll let them take advantage

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of massive growth opportunities because

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they're investing now into what they

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know will be bigger growth rather than

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hear more dividends or here's you know

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whatever here's some stock buybacks or

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whatever they're investing what they

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know or expect is going to make big

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money in the future

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and this uh in addition to this this

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inflation narrative which he doesn't

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necessarily agree with is giving reason

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to investors to tax lost harvest

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the innovation sector leading the

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innovation sector to sell off more

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right in addition this is i've also kind

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of touched on this she believes that

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algorithms are are doing 70 of the

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trading and because of the formulas that

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we just talked about are automatically

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crushing these sorts of stocks in fact

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she mentions during march and april the

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big strategies during march and april of

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2020 were look for companies that have a

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lot of cash on their balance sheet

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and then calculate their cash burn in

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other words

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this was very very common i remember

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this stuff i mean this this is great and

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not that it was really long ago but i

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remember doing even these types of

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calculations people would go in and say

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okay american airlines they got 20

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billion in the bank they're burning 5

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billion a month okay got it they're 4

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billion or they're 4 months rather away

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from bankruptcy if they get an infusion

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of

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10 billion dollar bailout okay cool that

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gives them six and a half uh six and a

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half months all right we still think

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they're gonna go bankrupt sell

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right and this is basically the formulas

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these algos going okay this is the new

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input you got it we'll sell according to

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the new rules she's making this

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comparison that that's what's happening

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with this whole inflation argument now

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is this right here where the algorithms

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are basically ignoring the fact that

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we're making big investments into big

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innovation and instead we're selling off

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companies that really shouldn't be

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selling off that much again i'm going to

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reiterate that i personally believe

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missing a little bit the argument about

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how many people actually thought that

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docusign teledoc and zoom were their

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safety stocks during the pandemic and

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have pulled their money out they never

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were meant to be there in the first

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place so the reality is the stock should

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have never gotten that expensive in the

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first place

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but if you look just to take kind of a

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little break from from kathy's piece

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right here if you go back

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and you look at what's happening in the

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stock market right now and you zoom out

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on the day chart here for something like

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docusign we've hit a freaking floor

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this is good look at this floor that

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we've hit i mean we from from december

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3rd to now we've had some substantial

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red days in the market and docusign has

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not gone under that floor let's look at

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uh zoom just for giggles to see if

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they've hit a floor

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and then we can also just briefly look

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at tdoc so so look at zoom zoom hit a

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floor hit a low of 184 on the third 182

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ish on the 6th and just hit 174 here on

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the 15th but notice how that's that's

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like a nominal decline it feels like

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we're somewhere around a floor on

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docusign and on zoom similar with tdoc

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we fell under 100 i think we went to

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about 90. we had a nice little rebound

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here yeah we went to 87. but look that

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floor compared that floor 87 to the low

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that we had on on 12 3 we had an

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intraday low of 89 intraday low of 88.

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uh low here of 87.27

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we're at a floor on tdoc as well now

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yeah we've come back off of it a little

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bit right now an hour 97 or whatever

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okay big deal i mean that's that's

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relatively nominal but the point is i

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feel like

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in simple speak the weekends have left

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christmas day and then going back to our

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dock her piece kathy reminds us that

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remember when the pandemic struck the

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best places to go were actually the

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genomic sequencing the synthetic biology

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the messenger rna tech stocks the

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machine learning stocks the molecular

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diagnostic testing stocks among others

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conventional wisdom said uh like hey

19:43

don't buy those stocks but those were

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the best things to buy and so yeah we

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got a red year in 2021 that doesn't make

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those companies bad companies though is

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essentially what kathy's saying here

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okay moving on kathy then says that it's

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really important to to remember that you

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have a lot of market commentators and

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high frequency traders right now who are

20:03

warning against the mistakes made during

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the tech and telecom bubble and this is

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true i mean if you listen to you look

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like at this point eight weeks ago uh

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when when i was selling i was selling

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stocks eight weeks ago things were green

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things were really euphoric i said i was

20:17

setting up some short positions on

20:19

certain uh opposite companies that i

20:21

thought would sell down even more and in

20:23

full transparency one of those was arc i

20:26

invested in s arc uh which is kind of

20:29

just a funny way of saying short arc but

20:30

it's not really shorting arc because

20:32

that would push the price of arc

20:33

potentially down further it was just

20:35

taking the inverse position of arc so if

20:37

arc went down one percent s arc went up

20:39

one percent

20:40

now uh unfortunately i close my

20:43

my short positions too early but that's

20:45

just you know poor individual timing the

20:48

the move of selling a lot of the stocks

20:50

i was doing was right but why i was

20:52

selling a lot of stocks was actually

20:53

before all of this crap started i was

20:56

noticing that the market was starting to

20:58

have a hate on for money losing

21:00

companies even if they were good

21:02

companies so i thought i'm gonna sell a

21:04

chunk and then wait to buy back in a

21:06

little price that's that is a trade

21:08

that's not necessarily investments trade

21:10

and the trade

21:11

mostly worked out i lowered my cost

21:14

basis in i would say eight out of the

21:16

ten trades that i made in some positions

21:18

it wasn't as perfect but that's okay

21:20

that's the nature of trading you try to

21:21

be right seven out of ten times right

21:23

and that worked out but here

21:25

this

21:26

kathy just posted this letter

21:28

and what's interesting is over the last

21:31

week

21:31

we've had people like jim cramer and the

21:34

mainstream media come out and say all

21:36

right time to sell off the money losing

21:37

companies and i'm looking and i'm going

21:39

wait a minute dude

21:41

the prices have kind of hit a bottom you

21:43

just saw a tdoc zoom and docusign now's

21:46

the time to maybe think about actually

21:47

picking these up so what did i do before

21:50

kathy's letter came out

21:52

i actually bought 420 call options on

21:54

kathy wood and rk

21:57

fingers crossed yeah also on hood by the

21:59

way but anyway uh

22:02

hood discussions really for another

22:03

video so now kathy's saying hey look

22:05

don't bet against

22:07

d5 don't bet against autonomous electric

22:10

vehicle transportation don't bet against

22:12

the innovative disruptive innovations

22:15

that we are investing in it is too

22:17

simple to just follow the mainstream

22:20

media on this don't do that instead now

22:23

is the opportunity to capitalize on

22:25

innovation which will end up looking

22:28

like quote the likes of which the world

22:31

has never witnessed sometimes i think

22:32

there are little nods against joe biden

22:35

in some pieces i read i could be overly

22:38

looking into these things though anyway

22:40

uh this new age is thanks to five major

22:43

innovations and that's dna sequencing

22:45

robotics energy storage artificial

22:47

intelligence and blockchain uh she also

22:50

talks about this and this is a big piece

22:51

for her she talks and we've already

22:52

covered this a lot so we're not going to

22:53

go crazy on this but she talks about

22:55

benchmark sensitivity about basically

22:57

like don't root yourself into the muscle

22:59

memory of comparing to the s p 500 that

23:02

trying to beat the market in the short

23:04

term is is i'm just going to simplify

23:06

this stupid like okay cool yeah you beat

23:09

the market in the short term oh yay

23:11

you're the market and you beat kathy in

23:13

the short term oh

23:14

talk to me in five years when her

23:16

strategy's 5x that's basically the

23:18

argument that she's making here like you

23:20

actually think the s p 500 is gonna have

23:22

a forty percent compounded annual uh

23:24

rate of return that's gonna 5x in five

23:27

years you think the s p is going to be

23:28

20 000 in five years her argument is

23:31

probably not because the s p is going to

23:32

be weighed down by companies that folks

23:35

listen this

23:36

have already had their opportunities to

23:40

have massive growth and big profit like

23:43

the fangs look she's been selling some

23:45

of her amazon and apple and some of

23:47

these others which she sees is almost

23:49

more cash parks

23:50

uh and so listen to this

23:52

even the fangs could be in harm's way as

23:55

the convergence of blockchain technology

23:57

and ai in the so-called metaverse

23:59

attempts to destroy the roles of central

24:01

data aggregators now she's literally

24:04

attacking fang

24:07

got him

24:08

all right well we'll see i guess we'll

24:10

have to we'll have to look back okay

24:12

folks now we gotta talk about

24:15

the recession the r word shout out in

24:18

the comments if you remember when kevin

24:20

was doing meet kevin reports back in

24:23

2019 we had that like newsy music but

24:26

anyway back in 2019 i did a report while

24:29

i was in park city utah and i did a

24:31

report at the beginning

24:32

probably maybe somewhere on march april

24:34

of 2019 about how the uh yield curve was

24:38

was trending towards an inversion

24:41

anytime you get an inversion of the

24:42

yield curve you get this fear that we

24:44

might be heading towards recession and

24:46

this is essentially when short-term

24:48

dated bonds have a higher interest rate

24:50

than long-term bonds that doesn't make

24:52

sense like if somebody asked you hey hey

24:55

uh will you

24:56

lock away money you know invest ten

24:58

thousand dollars into something you'll

25:00

get five percent on your money over ten

25:02

years

25:03

and somebody said hey but if you lock it

25:05

up for 20 years it would be natural for

25:08

you to think oh if i lock it up for 20

25:09

years maybe i'll get paid six percent or

25:11

seven percent i'll get paid more money

25:12

right well the when you have an

25:14

inversion of the yield curve somebody

25:15

goes to you and says hey um we'll pay

25:17

you 10 interest if you lock up your

25:20

money for two years just as an extreme

25:22

example it's like wait a minute why am i

25:23

getting paid more for a shorter period

25:26

of time that's odd that's when you get

25:28

the inversion of the yield curve when

25:29

that happens the market is flashing this

25:31

red warning sign going we're heading

25:34

towards a recession

25:36

and that's what you don't want now one

25:38

of the reasons this is really odd

25:41

that we might be heading back to this

25:43

potential inversion of the yield curve

25:45

which is what kathy wood starts talking

25:47

about right here one of the reasons

25:49

we're seeing this is because in in the

25:51

opinion of kathy wood she does not

25:54

believe the bond market thinks that

25:56

inflation is here to stay she thinks

25:58

that the bond market is sending us very

26:01

clear signals that inflation is not

26:03

going to be worse over the long term

26:05

that inflation is going to go down

26:08

and in fact you can see this by looking

26:10

at something a little bit simpler it's

26:12

the uh 10-year treasury yield okay go

26:14

over to the 10-year treasury yield which

26:16

is right here and remember how everybody

26:18

got really nervous about inflation at

26:19

the beginning of the year year and we

26:21

had this skyrocketing of the 10-year

26:23

bond yield but then the 10-year bond

26:25

yield fell

26:26

in the summer as the inflation fears

26:28

went away

26:29

then delta came around all the supply

26:32

chains got whacked over the head and

26:35

then we had these inflation fears come

26:37

back so the 10-year bond yield went up

26:39

again now we're at like peak bond or

26:42

peak inflation fears and look at where

26:44

we sit we're sitting at 1.4 which is

26:46

like over here

26:48

it's it's chopping out all of the big

26:50

fears that we've had so why

26:53

well in the mind of kathy wood the bond

26:55

market does not believe that the federal

26:57

reserve is going to be capable of

26:58

raising rates as much and then instead

27:00

the bond market is telling us we are

27:01

heading towards not only a very flat

27:03

yield curve but that we could

27:04

potentially have an inversion of the

27:05

yield curve in fact get this the

27:07

financial times yesterday reported that

27:10

the federal reserve in their statement

27:13

of or summary of economic projections

27:16

which is right here believes that the

27:18

federal funds rate right here is going

27:20

to be 1.6

27:22

at the end of 2023 well the financial

27:25

times came to us and the financial times

27:28

said the bond market for fed funds

27:31

futures is pricing in 1.27

27:36

end

27:37

of 23 fed funds yields

27:41

that means if the yield is 1.27

27:44

but the fed is projecting 1.6

27:47

then the market's basically saying hey

27:49

we don't think you're going to get to

27:50

that level fed we don't think you're

27:51

going to be able to raise rates that

27:52

high because inflation is going to

27:53

inflict down mainstream media ain't

27:56

telling you that but the bond market is

27:58

making it very clear the people actually

28:00

betting with their money on inflation

28:02

which is where you bet or where you want

28:05

to bet on inflation you go bad in the

28:06

bond market they're saying inflation's

28:08

going to go down

28:09

which is potentially reiterating that

28:11

kathy could be right about her growth

28:13

strategies but anyway listen to this

28:15

she mentions here that fi the bond

28:17

market seems to be warning the fed not

28:19

to titan since february the yield curve

28:20

measured by the difference between the

28:21

yields of the 10 year and the two year

28:22

has flattened pointing to a rising

28:25

probability of recession lower inflation

28:28

or

28:29

both

28:30

during the next year folks kathy's

28:34

basically saying look if fed chair

28:36

jerome powell stays on this harsh path

28:38

the bond market's sending us all a

28:39

signal that we could be running to not

28:41

only a deflationary environment in 2022

28:44

but also a recession in 2022. now going

28:48

back to deflation we got to understand

28:49

this when we have inflation we increase

28:52

our discount rate meaning we're

28:54

discounting future cash flow more it

28:56

means that future cash flow is worth

28:58

less to us which means money losing

29:00

companies have their values go

29:02

down

29:03

deflation you lower your discount rate

29:06

you could potentially have a negative uh

29:09

discount rate if you're looking at

29:10

certain countries especially in like

29:12

europe which would actually

29:13

substantially increase the value of

29:16

companies uh in the future that right

29:19

now are getting crushed under this fear

29:21

of inflation and this is why kathy

29:24

believes that if we head towards

29:26

deflation which she actually says her

29:28

conviction in is growing she

29:31

acknowledges that she could be wrong but

29:32

she believes that deflation is coming in

29:34

two forms both cyclically and

29:37

non-cyclically which is a permanent

29:39

destruction of pricing then we are going

29:42

to want to be investing in innovative

29:44

companies that take advantage of things

29:45

like industrial robots batteries and the

29:47

innovations that she's talking about she

29:49

regularly talks about wright's law

29:51

and that every cumulative doubling

29:53

reduces costs by a certain percentage

29:56

she believes the cost of robots that

29:58

every doubling in the number of robots

30:00

we have reduces costs by 50 percent and

30:02

the doubling we have in batteries

30:04

reduces costs by 68

30:06

and ai training costs are plummeting and

30:09

then basically unless you're investing

30:10

in innovative companies when it comes to

30:12

deflation you're going to get whacked

30:14

and so i like to say that in a

30:17

deflationary environment

30:19

what you want to do is ideally you want

30:22

to find two characteristics two main

30:25

ones i agree that you want to be in

30:28

innovative companies but in addition to

30:30

being in innovative companies i think

30:31

you ideally want to find companies that

30:33

either are or have the potential to be

30:36

high margin the reason you want high

30:38

margin is when you have high margin and

30:40

prices come down higher margin companies

30:41

have pricing power which enables them to

30:44

still retain substantial profits that is

30:46

of course for profit driving companies

30:48

versus maybe money losing companies and

30:50

this accelerates our ability to uh to

30:53

see cost declines on the s-curve of

30:55

production

30:56

that is of course the manufacturing ramp

30:59

she also believes that a good deflation

31:02

can see

31:03

not only these innovative companies

31:05

explode but she also believes that our

31:06

gdp could double that our gdp could go

31:09

from the 21 trillion where we sit now

31:10

and double by 2040 and the big winners

31:13

are going to be the innovative companies

31:15

honestly i couldn't agree more i could

31:18

not agree more with you know there there

31:20

the thing is i find myself very aligned

31:22

with kathy's thinking there's some

31:23

things that uh that that i slightly

31:26

defer on uh that uh you know whether

31:28

it's a trading psychology or or uh you

31:31

know timing for certain things but

31:32

beyond that i i really aligned with this

31:35

this sentiment substantially but anyway

31:37

supply chain bottlenecks that could have

31:39

lasted a much longer or have lasted much

31:42

longer than most have expected have

31:43

turbocharged this inflation debate so

31:45

she's talking about how uh consumer

31:47

sentiment has dropped to levels below

31:49

the the coronavirus pandemic in the

31:51

middle of the depths of it and that

31:53

people are less confident now because of

31:55

this whole inflation narrative that's

31:57

going on and that some of these things

31:59

have led people to shop earlier leading

32:01

to more advan like supply chain

32:03

disruptions earlier than usual in my

32:06

opinion this is potentially going to

32:07

lead to what i call

32:08

shelf deflation and this is when you

32:11

have a lot of companies who are going to

32:12

spend a lot of money advertising like

32:14

crazy in 2022 talking about all these

32:16

discounts they have now because they

32:18

ordered too much crap for the holidays

32:21

now their shelves are full now we're not

32:23

selling as much so what's probably going

32:25

to do well in my opinion in 2022 well

32:27

for 2022 trade strategies i really think

32:30

ads are going to do well so advertising

32:32

companies advertising companies like

32:34

your snap your fa facebook your trade

32:36

desk adobe roku pins twitter reddit uh

32:40

and potentially also your buy now pay

32:43

later platforms like a firm because

32:45

people are going to want to continue to

32:47

buy the way they had been but they might

32:49

be maxed out on their credit cards so

32:50

what do people do when people are maxed

32:52

out on their credit cards as bank of

32:53

america tells us they

32:55

use buy not pay letter

32:58

things to know but anyway uh now

33:01

she believes that consumption growth is

33:03

going to

33:04

uh expand with the except and this is

33:07

where i add the note but i also think

33:08

that debt is going to expand yeah now

33:11

she also says that if we're correct

33:13

during the next three to six months the

33:15

market is likely to focus more on the

33:16

risk of recession and a serious slowdown

33:20

along with a surprising drop in

33:22

inflation now this is worth noting if we

33:25

do and this is a countervailing argument

33:27

here if we do end up having risks of

33:29

recession rise

33:31

then these are potentially going to have

33:33

some risks associated with them because

33:36

generally when there's a risk of

33:37

recession then advertising goes down the

33:40

first thing every company did was cut

33:42

their ad spending during the pandemic by

33:44

now pay later it could be a potential

33:46

issue because buy now pay later

33:47

companies are the ones left holding the

33:48

bag of debt that's really unsecured

33:51

right so so that is a

33:54

if we do go towards the risk of

33:55

recession

33:56

not ideal if we don't go all the way

33:58

towards risk recession but we just go

34:00

towards deflation these could do better

34:02

my thoughts because people are going to

34:03

well you don't want to go google but

34:05

anyway

34:06

kathy wood does suggest that we're

34:09

already seeing a plummeting in certain

34:10

prices of commodities

34:12

and she lists a few here suggesting that

34:15

uh we're starting to see inflation like

34:17

lumber prices falling 35

34:19

and some of these other like iron prices

34:21

dropping 30 percent 36 percent this uh

34:23

and it is fair in fairness china has

34:25

already substantially reduced their

34:26

steel forecasts which iron is a

34:28

component of

34:29

for 2022 probably because of the real

34:31

estate industry but remember folks gas

34:33

up 50 still year-to-date coffee's up 83

34:36

year-to-date lumber's up 24 here today

34:38

fiberglass up 20 year-to-date precious

34:41

metals are getting whacked and yeah some

34:42

things like aluminum have come off their

34:44

highs but they're still relatively high

34:46

so i can't say that yet that we've seen

34:47

commodities plummet just yet although

34:49

they do tend to plummet over time

34:51

so this is where she kathy goes in to

34:53

mention that hey look we are reiterating

34:56

that we believe that innovation stocks

34:58

are not in a bubble we believe they are

34:59

in a deep value territory we believe

35:01

that volatility has become a bad word

35:03

but basically they're creating

35:04

opportunities for us to invest

35:07

and she basically bottom lines her

35:10

argument by saying look we believe that

35:12

tried and true investment strategies

35:13

like just buy the s p 500 are going to

35:15

suck

35:16

in the next five to 25 to 10 years and

35:19

instead it's going to be dna sequencing

35:20

robotics energy storage artificial

35:22

intelligence and blockchain technology

35:24

that is going to

35:25

dominate

35:27

she says we will not let benchmarks and

35:29

tracking errors hold our strategies

35:32

hostage

35:33

to the existing world order boom that's

35:36

a good mic drop so i have to say all in

35:38

all i respect this i think they did a

35:40

phenomenal job here i think only one

35:43

mention of tesla in here but she's

35:44

trying to she's honestly she's been

35:46

trying to distance herself a little bit

35:48

from tesla because

35:49

she's kind of become known as like some

35:52

people are trying to cast her as like oh

35:53

you're the one hit wonder who went big

35:55

on tesla and and she's really trying to

35:58

which i don't i don't agree with i don't

36:00

share that sentiment um

36:01

she's really trying to

36:03

separate herself from that uh

36:05

characterization i don't blame her at

36:07

all for that but um

36:10

look bottom line i agree with her

36:12

i think there's a potential of investing

36:14

in genomic plays i agree i don't own any

36:17

recovery stocks i think a lot of more

36:18

value traps i think there's a trade

36:20

opportunity once we get to peak delta uh

36:22

overlapping with peak omicron which i

36:24

talk about in my omicron videos i do

36:26

think that there are advertising and buy

36:27

now play pay later opportunities uh

36:30

going into at least the first quarter of

36:34

uh 2021

36:35

i'm sorry 2022 but uh but otherwise look

36:39

in face phenomenal freaking company a

36:41

cyber security companies like uh

36:45

cloudflare absolutely amazing especially

36:47

with the log4j hack that we've seen and

36:50

how cloud a flare can help companies

36:52

prevent uh falling victim to these sorts

36:55

of issues i think that's that's huge

36:57

obviously tesla continues to be a big

36:59

investment i'm not a big fan necessarily

37:01

of kathy getting into x-ping although i

37:03

do think x-bang and neo have

37:05

substantially oversold

37:08

other companies that personally i'm a

37:09

big fan of

37:11

etsy although you could see some

37:13

consumer excitement rotate down although

37:15

i do expect prices are going to come

37:17

down we're going to see some

37:18

dramatically really good sales numbers

37:20

from etsy as people clear out their

37:22

inventories

37:23

matterport it's a disruptive innovation

37:25

this is absolutely phenomenal nvidia you

37:26

can't go wrong with them trade desk for

37:28

the advertising absolutely freaking love

37:31

them sofi and fintech smaller position

37:34

but like um you got headwind risk

37:36

potentially if rates go up but we don't

37:38

think rates are going to be able to stay

37:39

high that long potentially opens the

37:41

door to looking at companies like rocket

37:42

mortgage or united wholesale right

37:44

uh you know a firm as the buy now pay

37:47

later option expi is innovative in the

37:50

real estate investing space

37:52

uh and a palantir has a potential the

37:56

fintechs like paypal square

37:58

and of course the others like

38:01

the other stocks that we like like of

38:03

course tesla phenomenal so these are

38:04

some that i've been keeping an eye on

38:06

and adding positions to roku snap for

38:08

advertising as well but anyway these are

38:10

all my thoughts on what kathy's just

38:11

said uh her warning regarding recession

38:13

something to keep an eye on regarding

38:15

your portfolio i want to balance your

38:17

recession and deflation or keep in mind

38:20

keep an open mind to recession and

38:22

deflation when you look at balancing

38:24

your portfolio

38:25

and folks that's it if you found this

38:27

video helpful consider checking out my

38:28

programs on building your wealth link

38:29

down below and folks we'll see in the

38:30

next one thanks so much goodbye

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