The Fed is Preparing to PRINT | Big Flip Today.
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Today was what started as a really
awkwardly quiet day and all of a sudden
throughout the day stocks kept going up
and up and up on what was relatively
little data. The Chicago National
Activities data came in negative but
durable goods sales came in stronger for
March obviously as people front ran
tariffs and earnings for Q1 are still
doing meaningfully well decently. for
example, and I don't play earnings, but
this morning course members were asking
Kevin, "What do you think about Google
earnings?" And I think, well, we know
that Google is mostly an advertising
company, and advertising typically gets
hit in a recession, not leading up to a
recession. So, it's a good chance they
can beat on ads. But again, I don't like
to play earnings. But sure enough,
Google beat on ads, which again is not a
surprise because you're getting this
sort of compression at Google before
we're actually in the advertising
recession. Now, the advertising
recession could come and the same thing
could come to Meta stock. I mean, Meta
was $740 not that long ago, and now it's
trading for $557. In fact, it was just a
couple days ago under $500, which is
this remarkable almost 35% compression.
But today, the NASDAQ just kept beating
numbers. We went 458, beat, we went 460,
right through the line, beat. We ended
up at 467. So, why did that happen
today? What gave the market enthusiasm?
Well, in my opinion, it could be
somewhat of a Federal Reserve, I don't
want to say U-turn, but U-turn in what
the market is paying attention to. So,
this is an interesting Fed U-turn
because it's not so much the Fed U-turn,
it's the market choosing to listen to
something different. So, this morning,
Fed chair or not chair, got to be
careful with that. That's Mr. Powell.
Uh, one of the Fed board members, Mr.
Waller, came out and told us that they
will absolutely cut should employment
begin to weaken. In fact, he told us
that uh firms uh are expected to see or
and conduct higher layoffs. we would
expect to see more employment. Uh he
also thinks that as a result of that
companies may not pass on as much of the
tariff costs because well frankly they
don't have the pricing power which we've
talked about before which again means
you get a cost push so companies have
more cost but you don't have a demand
pull which means people aren't willing
to pay whatever price you ask and that
just leads to margin compression and
what's the easiest relief valve for
that? Labor. So Waller gets it and I
think markets today were reacting to a
Fed that instead of doing the cross art
and going well we got to wait for uh you
know what the impact of tariff inflation
is going to be. We got Waller who
appears to be applying for a job. It
appears Waller would be the perfect kind
of at least he's playing his positioning
this way. He's playing his hand this way
to uh sort of be that Fed board member
who's like see Mr. Trump your tariffs
aren't inflationary. I'll go ahead and
cut for you as soon as labor weakens.
It's almost like he's applying for the
job of Fed chair. Now, this is really
interesting because Bessant just last
week told us that the White House would
consider starting their discussions with
potential replacements to Jerome Powell
in August. That's only four months away.
So, if discussions are going to start in
August, why not start positioning
yourself in interviews as a board member
who's willing to play the Trump ball
game? And now, partly we might think, oh
no, you know, we want that Fed
independence. Of course, we don't want
Powell fired. And but partly, we also
want a Fed that makes decisions
independent of, you know, political
power, like having a better seat at the
Fed. But Waller is actually right. We
all know this. In fact, the big concern
we have is not that the Fed is going to
act. It's that the Fed is just going to
be late in acting. Because generally
tariffs lead to a stagnation in the
economy, which yes, in the short term is
inflationary, but it tends to lead, at
least tariffs of this magnitude, should
they remain, will likely lead to a
recession. A recession is generally
deflationary. In other words, people
lose their jobs, people spend way less,
and prices actually come down, which in
a long-term mindset, and a long-term
point of view is actually part of the
healing process, right? So, prices come
down. We finally get rid of some of this
inflation disaster that we had postcoid
and we correct those prices, but at that
moment, you need a Federal Reserve
that's willing to respond not to
inflation, but to the labor market. So,
in other words, right now you've got a
Federal Reserve that's like, "Hey, hey,
Fed or uh hey, hey, Trump, you know,
what you're doing is inflationary."
That's true. See, both of these could be
true. It's a timeline. Yes, it will be
inflationary, at least for the time
being, until you create stagnation,
companies don't have pricing power,
people get laid off, and then all of a
sudden the Fed has to swoop in with a
giant bailout. And so this is
interesting because my mindset and then
I want to give you more of Waller's
interview is that the Fed doesn't cut in
May or June, but that they actually cut
more aggressively by the end of the
year. That if tariffs stay at this
level, and I know this is crazy, but I
just I I want you to see the difference
between my mindset and what Waller is
saying and what Powell is saying, right?
So Powell will wait to see what the
impacts are. Kevin is saying, "All
right, the Fed won't cut in May or June,
but once we start getting some nasty
data July, September, November,
December, by the end of the year, it's
entirely possible that the Federal
Reserve actually cuts rates, again, this
is the crazy part, but all the way to
zero. In other words, we have so much
disinflation or even deflation, we need
to do everything in our power to stop
unemployment to minimize the pain of a
lengthy recession."
and then you try your best to prop the
economy up again. Now, it's usually at
that pivot point that I like investing
in stocks mostly because the stock
market tanks when unemployment really
starts suffering. But Waller, the most
dovish at the Fed, is telling you, hey,
we're not going to cut until employment
starts tanking. So, in other words, if
employment is solid now and the stock
market is recovering on, you know, hopes
of Waller, that's fine. But you still
have the unemployment drop to go. If
that happens, maybe that won't happen,
right? Uh then the Federal Reserve comes
in uh with with their their bailout. But
again, unemployment drops, stocks drop,
then the bailout happens, and then we
slowly start growing again. To me,
that's the environment I really like
going all in on stocks and getting
excited because we have the wind at our
back. We don't yet have the wind at our
back, but what we did here today is hope
that the wind will be at our back. So,
it's it's kind of this remarkable time
frame. But let's listen to some more of
what Waller said. So, uh, Waller told us
that, uh, he stressed, uh, Bloomberg
here in the interview suggests that he
didn't believe the impact of tariffs
would have a significant impact on the
economy before July, but after that
point, unemployment could rise and rise
quickly if tariffs again come into play.
He repeated the view that in the
inflationary impact of tariffs would
likely be temporary. Now, some parts of
markets hear temporary and think
transitory, but again, you have to think
about the flow of what tariffs do to
shutting an economy down. It's shock
that isn't offset by Congress sending
stimulus checks to everyone, which means
we compress prices down, unemployment
down, true pain hits. You know, the
earnings that we're getting now, like,
come on, Hasbro earnings beating. Okay,
because we're talking about Q1 and
people are pulling forward really good
numbers and then companies, a lot of
companies with the exceptions of
airlines are kind of
like, well, things haven't gone poopy
yet, so um guidance is fine. Yeah, all
right. We could bluff our way through
and pretend that tariffs aren't going to
have an impact. We could pretend and
continue to pretend that the Chinese are
actually negotiating with the Trump
administration. Trump says we are. The
Chinese say we're not. Somebody's
bluffing. Somebody's like, "Who cares?"
What we know is so far we still don't
have tariff trade deals with anyone. We
have rumors of trade deals which is
leading to bullish call option flow and
a lot of rumor mill that oh, you know,
time to buy because the trade deals are
going to get announced. And hopefully
that's true because there is also a
possibility that the stock market looks
through a 3-month period of damage that
tariffs cause once the tariffs are
solved. Mostly because the stock market
tends to be very forward-looking. And I
think that's why today we saw such a
movement in markets. It wasn't because
we actually got progress on a trade deal
because we didn't. It wasn't because we
continue to see diversifying into house
hack. House hack. Yeah. Uh which is
still happening. People are still
investing in house hack. They're getting
their 5%. They're getting upside on the
stock. Uh and they're getting downside
protection. I mean it's it's a great way
to diversify from the insanity of
tariffs and VC valuations and stock
market valuations. But anyway, uh that's
that househack.com now open to
nonacredit investors. What's remarkable
is what the market moved on today wasn't
really any good news other than this
Waller interview and hope. Now I'm not
bagging on that. It's if anything a good
sign because it means markets are
receptive to all right cool. So the Fed
is going to work with us. Consider for a
moment the interest rate curve. May
right now 8.4% 4% chance of a cut. June,
56% chance. July, 75%. Uh, and then by
September, we're already pricing in a
76% chance of two rate cuts with by
December us pricing in 3.4 cuts with a
64% chance. So, in other words, we're
still basically fully pricing in three
rate cuts. But that Paul or Pauler, oh
my gosh, I merged their names. Pauler,
Powell, and Waller. That's bizarre.
Anyway, that support for the economy is
actually what we want to hear. Now, the
downside is you have to wait for
unemployment to start having a poopy
dupy. There are a lot of people on
social media that complain about why did
the Fed cut 50 basis points when, you
know, right before the election, they
they tried to rig the election. Well,
because unemployment was triggering the
SOM rule and we were starting to have
serious economic fracturing on the
unemployment side of the equation. In
fact, some could argue that the slight
softening of rates and this assumes a
very quick responsiveness of rates,
which I I don't think we really have.
But some say that those rate cuts gave
enough wind at the back plus Trump
enthusiasm that we actually avoided that
we're we're coming close to stalling in
September and August and we actually
avoided a recession in the latter part
of last year because of enthusiasm and
that wind at our back. And so today is a
little bit of you know somebody kind of
blowing us okay blowing at our backs. Uh
the 102 spread still not fantastic. It's
um there you go 52. Uh but we're seeing
a lowering of of the curve on both sides
today. We saw the 10-year come down to
4.31. Uh we saw the 2-year move down to
what did we get on the 2-year? The
2-year today ended at 3.79. So almost
3.8. Uh and and a lot of this driven
again by enthusiasm from from Waller. Uh
now again, as much as it's possible that
Waller is just trying to raise his hand
to say, "Hey, pick me as the next Fed
chair," it is worth considering his
line, quote, "I'm willing to look
through tariff price increases." It's
going to take courage to stare down
tariff price increases and see them as
transitory. Rate cuts could come from
rising unemployment, and the Fed will
look at data to determine policy moves.
Uh in other words, we're, you know,
we're going to focus on the Fed mission
here. All right. So you what you again
have as a bottom line today like why
were things so euphoric today? Well,
you're still getting bullish Q1 data
from a lot of companies. You're still
getting bullish March data from
durables. It's not going to be until
July is in terms of when we really get
our bad data. So then we look and go,
okay, can the Fed cut them? Well, we're
probably teing up a September cut. And I
think the market is trying to frontr run
that right now, assuming the Federal
Reserve is going to bail us out before
we get a true bite of tariff damage. And
knock on wood, I hope that's true. For
me personally, I'm going to wait for the
point of the Federal Reserve panic
because I don't know what's going to
happen between now and then. And I've
got plenty of other options, mostly my
favorite being hack. And to us, if we go
into a recession, we've got, you know,
what 112 million to go buy the dip on a,
you know, company with with the assets
we have. That's actually a lot of cash.
Uh and uh and and if uh the market
doesn't go into recession, we keep doing
wedge deals. So, we're good either way.
So, I always say, don't copy what I'm
doing, but for me, what's going to get
me really motivated is when that Fed
starts panicking and U-turning because
that's historically what has always
represented a bottom. You look at Black
Monday Fed intervention in ' 87. You
look at the 2003, March of 2003 bottom
driven by the Federal Reserve. the
February of 2009, the December of 2018,
the March of
2020. These are all Fed policy U-turns.
Those are the moments that mark bottoms
historically. That's when I want to buy
because they usually are met during
shock periods when we get really bad
data, like bad unemployment data. And
remember the pain that we had in August?
It was unemployment data that turned
into a Japanese carry trade shock.
Something like that could happen again.
Anyway, thanks for watching. We'll see
you in the next one. Appreciate y'all.
Why not advertise these things that you
told us here? I feel like nobody else
knows about this. We'll we'll try a
little advertising and see how it goes.
Congratulations, man. You have done so
much. People love you. People look up to
you. Kevin Praat there, financial
analyst and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always
great to get your take.
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