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no way cars for coins coming dude you're
coming in right away before I talk about
my next segment what's up dude when you
were coming in as a speaker right now
dude welcome aboard man you are in my
streams like every freaking day man and
I know you're the guy who sold Bitcoin
or no you sold your car at 19 000 on
bitcoin or whatever because YOLO it into
Bitcoin what's up man welcome okay
waiting waiting for your mic I'll give
you a chance to set that up but there we
go I'm trying not to crash my car
hey what's up man Twitter space isn't
driving at least I'm assuming you're on
autopilot
Oh Yeah Yeah by autopiling me and
looking at my phone no Kevin yes I did
sell my car uh for crypto half ethereum
half Bitcoin I'm up 30 so uh it was a
911 turbo so it's doing pretty well up
30 grand
um but you know you're an amazing
Channel you've got me through the bear
Market kept my head on straight and uh
kept me buying stuff uh I went all in on
coinbase at thirty three dollars
it went all in so that's doing pretty
well
wow congratulations that's amazing so uh
clearly very uh uh very bullish on uh on
on crypto then despite all of uh the the
regulatory drama that this is maybe the
beginning of the end for the regulation
drama
well it's an asymmetrical BET right when
uh everything's low the Psychiatry tells
you to sell but if you're selling when
everything's low it's the opposite so
it's am I bullish long term yes I think
anybody who has a long time frame wins
so if you have a two three year time
frame It lines up with both the rate
cuts which you just spoke about coming
in March and the Bitcoin having which is
in April and typically the peak is one
year after so if your investment Horizon
expands to 2025
and you're buying crypto now safe
projects I think you're going to do very
well but I want to ask you Kevin uh do
you think the FED actually pauses I mean
continues pausing this time continues at
the same rates or to actually raise like
the market expression because they've
been expecting
doing whatever the market expects so far
right
yeah well it's it's a little bit of a
chicken or egg problem uh I'll answer
that let me first say regarding your
alignment I think that's a phenomenal uh
statement that you made this this idea
of I mean think about an alignment of a
low rate environment potentially again
in other words rate Cuts inflation being
gone probably the economy not being in a
recession the Bitcoin having and maybe
2023 is the year of Regulation hell but
maybe they finally figure it out and by
2024 you get crypto ETS you get
regulation and and you actually get
these companies that are able to recover
so I think you're completely right I
think that is a phenomenal uh argument
to make and I think that's awesome that
basically you were you were buying ETFs
and and then then at one point you
decided you know what this is this is my
time to strike and you dump those and
you bought crypto so congratulations uh
regarding the the Fed so I call it a
chicken or egg problem because as much
as the FED likes to say oh we just do
what the market projects you know we
just like to follow the market we don't
want to surprise the market
the FED creates the market essentially
they forecast hey you know what we might
be thinking two more rate hikes well
what do they do by saying that by saying
two or more even rate hikes like what
Jerome Powell did in Portugal you
guarantee one more rate hike and that I
think is what they were trying to do
they were trying to say look we we went
25 or we went for pause in June we don't
care that it is a historically stupid
idea I personally think this to hike
again after pausing I think it's idiotic
because you send the signal of the the
FED being inconsistent or not you know
having this stop start mentality their
argument is no no we're just trying to
stretch out you know that's the way
they're selling it we're trying to
stretch out these rate hikes uh but uh
yeah look we're at like a 90 chance of
getting this 25. uh after these two
reports we're still getting a
reiteration from well at least yesterday
after all the feds speak yesterday after
CPI we're still getting a reiteration of
the 25 so we're going to get to 25. but
it will almost certainly be the last
rate hike after the reports that we've
gotten so uh yeah I do think we're still
gonna get to 25 even though I disagree
with it even though I think it's
nonsense we're gonna get it
well Kevin you say half inflation battle
is managing expectations right so that's
exactly what they're doing they're
managing expectations they don't like
your Nike Swoosh recovery they don't
like these mean coins popping off like
Pepe uh which I do not recommend but uh
that's exactly what they're doing
they're just manage expectations they
want to keep things cool and they don't
want to you know mess up their their
whole plan because if expectations get
out of hand people are like okay we're
done we're done we're done let's all go
in let's all buy Lambos then they're
gonna go back and do the whole you know
they're gonna have to rock pools like
you say yeah you know it's actually very
interesting the they are so uh every
single time they speak they they talk
about how their biggest priority is get
making sure inflation is getting down
that that too many people are hurting
and what they're doing by saying this is
they're not actually talking to us in
finance they're talking to the regular
American who's like dude everything is
more expensive Cheesecake Factory the
grocery store everything's more
expensive the regular American doesn't
understand this inflation versus
deflation versus inflation they don't
understand that stuff and that's fine
let people be fearful it makes it
cheaper for us to buy the stocks we like
okay it's just the way it is our schools
don't educate people in finance it's bad
we should but we don't so anyway so
you've got most people who are
completely clueless about this stuff
and you have a fad that creates
headlines almost every single time they
have these rounds of fed speak going
we're gonna get inflation now this is
all we're gonna do we're gonna keep
going until we get it down and really
what they're doing is you're just
massaging those expectations down
because what they didn't do in the 70s
was care about expectations they didn't
even pay attention to them until 1981
when they finally realized and and you
can actually see this in transcript
conversations amongst fed members that
oh wow nothing we're doing is affecting
expectations maybe that's why we still
have inflation and then it wasn't until
you basically had Paul volcker stand up
and say the number one enemy is
inflation we will crush inflation no
matter what it takes now I'm gonna align
that with what I'm doing and raising
rates that's basically what the FED is
doing today they're like even though
behind closed doors into the finance
folks you know they're like this is
great like this is Goldilocks this is
fantastic inflation's going down we
might avoid a recession this is great
publicly they need to put on the face of
we will not stop until the job is done
you know maybe even though we're
basically there it's this is all
expectation massaging so you're 100
right with what you're saying you start
getting you know like the more I hear
people on social media leave me angry
comments that are like what do you mean
you know inflation is getting better and
it's transitory everything's still
expensive well first of all we know they
fundamentally misunderstand inflation
but second of all that is good the more
you have people like that the less
they're doing what you said and going
out buying Lambos and borrowing to spend
all their stuff and don't get me wrong
people are still spending like crazy
but you're 100 right with which sake
you know what's interesting uh
expectations is also like the main thing
of normal human relationships it just
goes back to normal psychology like any
time you upset your wife or piss off a
friend it's all about expectations
managing expectations you either tell
them you're gonna do something you don't
do it or you mess up uh you just it's
like I said it just goes back to
mismanaging expectations
we jump back to the compliance thing um
with regulatory with crypto yeah yeah
please please
it it really seems to me from everything
I'm hearing is that the main person is
holding back from actually putting
forward regulation is Gary ginsler and
if you listen very closely to what he
said during that CNBC interview that's
pretty famous and you've called him out
for that also I appreciate it is
the one little thing he said is uh
coinbase is doing too much so coinbase
is doing more than just trading crypto
they want a custody they wanna
um they have the staking services and
they have the Futures market now and
have all these products and I seems like
Jerry's really frustrated and Confused
uh or at least using that as a scapegoat
to not provide regulation because
they're doing so many different things
and actually yesterday he went on some
meeting he's actually given some
feedback about the ETFs saying that uh
people call them out say Hey you know
coinbase is using uh I'm sorry uh all
these ETFs are using coinbase for their
uh what is SAS I'm not sure what that is
it's uh it's like custody now everything
Market making custody it's everything
together
right so he's saying that uh he doesn't
trust coinbase he's saying that coinbase
is basically going to trade against you
on the back end and they're gonna mess
with you and and they're gonna it's
gonna be bad for the consumer so that's
what he's saying uh meanwhile at 2X
uh a 2X leverage ETF is approved does
that make sense Kevin so is leverage
safer than a spotty yeah not really no
no you're right so to break it down a
little bit
um what you have with coinbase uh or
sorry with the leveraged DTS is you have
Futures uh ETFs that are leveraged that
are approved and Futures are really
contracts they're they're not actually
Bitcoin they're just papers like you
have to kind of think about it as like
hey I'm sitting down I make a handshake
deal with you and let's go trade this
contract the Futures contracts have
existed for everything and there there's
a pretty clear path to getting those uh
approved uh and then getting leveraged
versions of those when it comes to what
you're talking about with coinbase it
actually makes me think that it's
entirely possible that if we get into
this bull cycle here you could actually
see coinbase end up having multiple mini
IPOs basically splitting the business
into multiple different things think
about how the main uh like the the
traditional markets work today you have
have an exchange which I I know
initially when we hear exchange it
sounds complicated but just think of an
exchange as uh you know like I always
think of RuneScape you go to the middle
of the Town Square and you got a bunch
of trading stalls and somebody's selling
bread and you walk up you're like yo I
want to buy some of your bread how much
is it and you're like oh my Bread's five
bucks and you're like I'm gonna walk
over there and get the bread for you
know 4.90 I'm Gonna Save myself 10 cents
that's a market that's how we get price
Discovery because we have individuals
representing the market and
participating the market participants so
we have an exchange which you know it's
kind of like the the vest I'm wearing
here the New York Stock Exchange that's
our traditional exchange then you've got
Market participants sitting on the floor
so floor Brokers and market makers they
work price Discovery then you have
actual brokers who are like your Robin
Hood that like you as a retail
individual essentially get access to
that Marketplace because you can't walk
into that Town Square you have to go
through a broker and basically what I've
just shown you is three different levels
here right the exchange the market maker
price Discovery uh and then the broker
uh and then the Brokers are custody in
your assets as well so you have these
three different layers with coinbase
it's all in one it's the exchange the
price Discovery and the broker all in
one and that's very different from
traditional finance and that leaves no
precedent for the SEC and no rules from
Congress so you kind of have Gary
Gensler you know which obviously almost
nobody in crypto likes because you know
especially in that famous CNBC interview
he's talking about how like what do you
mean digital dollar we don't need that
we already have one and it's called the
dollar right that kind of makes people
question his sincerity in general uh
although I don't know if he meant to say
that buddy I mean that's what he said
but anyway uh yeah look it's um it's
going to be a rocky ride over the next
year I mean we just heard about you know
what some uh one of the executives over
at Celsius getting arrested and new
lawsuit against Celsius so it'll be a
lot of cleaning up but once it's clean
it's it's gonna be uh it's gonna be
great for crypto once it's all cleaned
up
Kevin do you think the dollar is
competing with Bitcoin
I probably it's it's interesting because
there to some extent
both somewhat speculative uh assets I
don't think that somebody who looks at
Bitcoin as a digital gold would ever
invest in the dollar so that's not
somebody who is a competitor somebody
who doesn't like digital dollars would
invest not in the dollar they'd invest
in just gold probably so I don't think
you have competition there you certainly
have competition for trading and
speculation 100 you have that uh as far
as a means of exchange I you probably
have little uh reason to use Bitcoin at
this point unless you're using it as for
like for an international means of
exchange and really I'd say most of the
speculation in the dollar today is based
on how high rates will be and given that
we've had these two week inflation
reports you're seeing the dollar get
piled on in terms of ashore you know the
dollar really peaked around actually
about a year from now when inflation was
at Peak because people thought rates
would stay high for long the higher
rates are the more people are attracted
to buying our treasury bonds because
it's the safest instrument in the world
uh deemed risk-free and and people need
to buy the dollar to be able to get
access to those treasuries so I think
you have a lot of different competing
purposes for the different Assets in
fact you have almost an opposite purpose
to buy Bitcoin versus the dollar like
you go long Bitcoin when you short the
dollar uh so I suppose that would be an
interesting way to maybe say there's
some competition but they're certainly
not competing for the same thing
um in that regard because again as rates
fall risk assets are going to go up
which is great for crypto and the dollar
is going to go down because yields are
going down so um probably too too hard
to compare on a direct level but but
look if we just step back for a moment
and say is is there a competition
between the dollar and Bitcoin I think
when we look at it from the SEC level
yeah yes absolutely because that's where
you literally had Gary again so say what
do we need basically digital currency
for we have digital currency it's called
the dollar right so on that level there
is
I'd say that's where him and your I
don't want to say you're wrong but
there's a common misconception that
Bitcoin wants to be a digital currency
uh first of all it's not fast enough
exactly way too volatile so I'm not
gonna hold Bitcoin in my business bank
account and have employees to pay an
overhead so the whole idea that we don't
need we don't need a digital currency we
have digital dollar that's it just
really pisses me off and I apologize for
my uh no you should be pissed and
whether or not Bitcoin is seen as that
that actual digital currency replacement
I I agree with you that's that's not
really the argument I think more the
argument is like why is Gary saying that
right like what what really why does he
get to decide what really should be up
to Congress and Congress should be
deciding and regulating what the people
want if people want different options
for a digital assets then Congress
should create a framework for that it's
really just Congress that's way behind
here Congress is ultimately uh the the
the group or the institution that
decides this uh it's not going to be
some judge that somehow magically
figures out that digital assets belong
and how to regulate them although that's
just what the SEC is backed into because
of all the fraud that's occurred so they
have to file these lawsuits to try to
squeeze the industry to mitigate fraud
uh and uh and then hopefully spur
Congress to regulate that's at least my
thesis on what's going on but I agree
with you on 2024. there there are laws
in queue there are two me I think Pat
two means some other Loomis are working
on bills that are already presented and
they're still working on them but to go
back just one more thing um
from my experience we have sold cars for
crypto in the bull market right now
nobody's doing that they're selling cars
but what really happens in the
functional functional usage of crypto is
people speculate on bitcoin so they'll
use the dollars to buy Bitcoin they'll
use stocks by ethereum and you know more
risky low cap coins and then they're
gonna cash out into usdc which is a
circle product uh also uh heavily tied
coinbase uh so for me I see usdc as the
digital currency that's competing with a
dollar that can actually become a cbdc
in the future and that's built in
ethereum why I love ethereum so
practically speaking to say that big we
don't need a digital dollar is
I was competing with Bitcoin I'm sorry
it's just it's just crazy
um like I said like you buy very very
speculative highly volatile Bitcoin so
that with dollars so they can later put
into usdc and then you can send it
overseas or or buy a car or whatever
with it and that's the actual practical
use of crypto is that you put into
stable coins so number one has got to
start with stablecoin regulation which
is the first step you uh you know if I'm
holding usdc like my plan 2025 I'm
cashing out 90 to usdc paying my taxes
long-term capital gains and then I'm
gonna go back in when it crashes by 50
60 again 26 and return 2030 but
like you said it starts with regulation
and that's what coinbase wants and
eventually they're going to get it and
it's going to be a beautiful thing so
appreciate your time Kevin thank you
yeah absolutely and I completely agree
with you by the way I'm a big fan of
stable coins to the extent that they
have transparency and I think that's
what regulation will bring because right
now you know we we don't know still
today how I mean obviously we've seen
the ramifications of it but the amount
of Leverage on these cbdc's uh well
sorry not the CBC speeds we don't have
those yet the on on stable coins uh is
is is obviously an issue this is where
we get the rehypothecation that took
down block fi and Voyager which was
literally what we had the CEOs on and I
asked them about I go there's got to be
so much risk in these cable coins like
I'm personally still so frustrated I'm
looking back and like give us
transparency of the stable coins like I
want to like stable coins but there's no
way you're offering nine percent without
all this crazy re-hypothecation they're
like don't worry we have safeguards in
place yeah oh oops just give it all the
three arrows capital what's the same so
yeah true transparency there in a real
functional stable coin I'm all in
yep and no I don't trust tether just for
the record
nice that's awesome dude this has been
amazing thank you so much man
thank you Kevin I'll hop on anytime you
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