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no way cars for coins coming dude you're

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coming in right away before I talk about

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my next segment what's up dude when you

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were coming in as a speaker right now

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dude welcome aboard man you are in my

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streams like every freaking day man and

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I know you're the guy who sold Bitcoin

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or no you sold your car at 19 000 on

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bitcoin or whatever because YOLO it into

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Bitcoin what's up man welcome okay

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waiting waiting for your mic I'll give

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you a chance to set that up but there we

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go I'm trying not to crash my car

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hey what's up man Twitter space isn't

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driving at least I'm assuming you're on

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autopilot

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Oh Yeah Yeah by autopiling me and

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looking at my phone no Kevin yes I did

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sell my car uh for crypto half ethereum

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half Bitcoin I'm up 30 so uh it was a

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911 turbo so it's doing pretty well up

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30 grand

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um but you know you're an amazing

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Channel you've got me through the bear

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Market kept my head on straight and uh

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kept me buying stuff uh I went all in on

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coinbase at thirty three dollars

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it went all in so that's doing pretty

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well

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wow congratulations that's amazing so uh

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clearly very uh uh very bullish on uh on

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on crypto then despite all of uh the the

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regulatory drama that this is maybe the

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beginning of the end for the regulation

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drama

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well it's an asymmetrical BET right when

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uh everything's low the Psychiatry tells

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you to sell but if you're selling when

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everything's low it's the opposite so

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it's am I bullish long term yes I think

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anybody who has a long time frame wins

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so if you have a two three year time

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frame It lines up with both the rate

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cuts which you just spoke about coming

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in March and the Bitcoin having which is

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in April and typically the peak is one

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year after so if your investment Horizon

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expands to 2025

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and you're buying crypto now safe

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projects I think you're going to do very

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well but I want to ask you Kevin uh do

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you think the FED actually pauses I mean

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continues pausing this time continues at

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the same rates or to actually raise like

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the market expression because they've

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been expecting

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doing whatever the market expects so far

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right

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yeah well it's it's a little bit of a

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chicken or egg problem uh I'll answer

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that let me first say regarding your

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alignment I think that's a phenomenal uh

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statement that you made this this idea

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of I mean think about an alignment of a

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low rate environment potentially again

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in other words rate Cuts inflation being

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gone probably the economy not being in a

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recession the Bitcoin having and maybe

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2023 is the year of Regulation hell but

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maybe they finally figure it out and by

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2024 you get crypto ETS you get

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regulation and and you actually get

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these companies that are able to recover

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so I think you're completely right I

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think that is a phenomenal uh argument

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to make and I think that's awesome that

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basically you were you were buying ETFs

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and and then then at one point you

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decided you know what this is this is my

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time to strike and you dump those and

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you bought crypto so congratulations uh

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regarding the the Fed so I call it a

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chicken or egg problem because as much

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as the FED likes to say oh we just do

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what the market projects you know we

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just like to follow the market we don't

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want to surprise the market

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the FED creates the market essentially

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they forecast hey you know what we might

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be thinking two more rate hikes well

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what do they do by saying that by saying

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two or more even rate hikes like what

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Jerome Powell did in Portugal you

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guarantee one more rate hike and that I

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think is what they were trying to do

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they were trying to say look we we went

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25 or we went for pause in June we don't

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care that it is a historically stupid

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idea I personally think this to hike

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again after pausing I think it's idiotic

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because you send the signal of the the

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FED being inconsistent or not you know

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having this stop start mentality their

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argument is no no we're just trying to

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stretch out you know that's the way

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they're selling it we're trying to

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stretch out these rate hikes uh but uh

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yeah look we're at like a 90 chance of

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getting this 25. uh after these two

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reports we're still getting a

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reiteration from well at least yesterday

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after all the feds speak yesterday after

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CPI we're still getting a reiteration of

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the 25 so we're going to get to 25. but

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it will almost certainly be the last

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rate hike after the reports that we've

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gotten so uh yeah I do think we're still

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gonna get to 25 even though I disagree

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with it even though I think it's

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nonsense we're gonna get it

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well Kevin you say half inflation battle

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is managing expectations right so that's

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exactly what they're doing they're

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managing expectations they don't like

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your Nike Swoosh recovery they don't

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like these mean coins popping off like

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Pepe uh which I do not recommend but uh

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that's exactly what they're doing

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they're just manage expectations they

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want to keep things cool and they don't

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want to you know mess up their their

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whole plan because if expectations get

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out of hand people are like okay we're

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done we're done we're done let's all go

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in let's all buy Lambos then they're

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gonna go back and do the whole you know

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they're gonna have to rock pools like

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you say yeah you know it's actually very

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interesting the they are so uh every

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single time they speak they they talk

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about how their biggest priority is get

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making sure inflation is getting down

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that that too many people are hurting

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and what they're doing by saying this is

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they're not actually talking to us in

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finance they're talking to the regular

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American who's like dude everything is

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more expensive Cheesecake Factory the

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grocery store everything's more

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expensive the regular American doesn't

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understand this inflation versus

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deflation versus inflation they don't

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understand that stuff and that's fine

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let people be fearful it makes it

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cheaper for us to buy the stocks we like

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okay it's just the way it is our schools

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don't educate people in finance it's bad

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we should but we don't so anyway so

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you've got most people who are

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completely clueless about this stuff

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and you have a fad that creates

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headlines almost every single time they

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have these rounds of fed speak going

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we're gonna get inflation now this is

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all we're gonna do we're gonna keep

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going until we get it down and really

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what they're doing is you're just

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massaging those expectations down

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because what they didn't do in the 70s

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was care about expectations they didn't

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even pay attention to them until 1981

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when they finally realized and and you

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can actually see this in transcript

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conversations amongst fed members that

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oh wow nothing we're doing is affecting

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expectations maybe that's why we still

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have inflation and then it wasn't until

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you basically had Paul volcker stand up

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and say the number one enemy is

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inflation we will crush inflation no

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matter what it takes now I'm gonna align

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that with what I'm doing and raising

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rates that's basically what the FED is

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doing today they're like even though

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behind closed doors into the finance

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folks you know they're like this is

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great like this is Goldilocks this is

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fantastic inflation's going down we

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might avoid a recession this is great

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publicly they need to put on the face of

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we will not stop until the job is done

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you know maybe even though we're

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basically there it's this is all

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expectation massaging so you're 100

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right with what you're saying you start

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getting you know like the more I hear

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people on social media leave me angry

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comments that are like what do you mean

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you know inflation is getting better and

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it's transitory everything's still

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expensive well first of all we know they

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fundamentally misunderstand inflation

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but second of all that is good the more

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you have people like that the less

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they're doing what you said and going

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out buying Lambos and borrowing to spend

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all their stuff and don't get me wrong

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people are still spending like crazy

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but you're 100 right with which sake

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you know what's interesting uh

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expectations is also like the main thing

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of normal human relationships it just

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goes back to normal psychology like any

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time you upset your wife or piss off a

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friend it's all about expectations

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managing expectations you either tell

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them you're gonna do something you don't

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do it or you mess up uh you just it's

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like I said it just goes back to

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mismanaging expectations

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we jump back to the compliance thing um

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with regulatory with crypto yeah yeah

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please please

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it it really seems to me from everything

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I'm hearing is that the main person is

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holding back from actually putting

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forward regulation is Gary ginsler and

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if you listen very closely to what he

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said during that CNBC interview that's

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pretty famous and you've called him out

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for that also I appreciate it is

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the one little thing he said is uh

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coinbase is doing too much so coinbase

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is doing more than just trading crypto

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they want a custody they wanna

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um they have the staking services and

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they have the Futures market now and

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have all these products and I seems like

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Jerry's really frustrated and Confused

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uh or at least using that as a scapegoat

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to not provide regulation because

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they're doing so many different things

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and actually yesterday he went on some

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meeting he's actually given some

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feedback about the ETFs saying that uh

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people call them out say Hey you know

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coinbase is using uh I'm sorry uh all

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these ETFs are using coinbase for their

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uh what is SAS I'm not sure what that is

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it's uh it's like custody now everything

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Market making custody it's everything

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together

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right so he's saying that uh he doesn't

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trust coinbase he's saying that coinbase

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is basically going to trade against you

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on the back end and they're gonna mess

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with you and and they're gonna it's

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gonna be bad for the consumer so that's

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what he's saying uh meanwhile at 2X

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uh a 2X leverage ETF is approved does

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that make sense Kevin so is leverage

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safer than a spotty yeah not really no

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no you're right so to break it down a

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little bit

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um what you have with coinbase uh or

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sorry with the leveraged DTS is you have

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Futures uh ETFs that are leveraged that

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are approved and Futures are really

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contracts they're they're not actually

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Bitcoin they're just papers like you

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have to kind of think about it as like

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hey I'm sitting down I make a handshake

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deal with you and let's go trade this

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contract the Futures contracts have

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existed for everything and there there's

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a pretty clear path to getting those uh

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approved uh and then getting leveraged

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versions of those when it comes to what

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you're talking about with coinbase it

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actually makes me think that it's

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entirely possible that if we get into

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this bull cycle here you could actually

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see coinbase end up having multiple mini

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IPOs basically splitting the business

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into multiple different things think

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about how the main uh like the the

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traditional markets work today you have

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have an exchange which I I know

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initially when we hear exchange it

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sounds complicated but just think of an

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exchange as uh you know like I always

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think of RuneScape you go to the middle

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of the Town Square and you got a bunch

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of trading stalls and somebody's selling

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bread and you walk up you're like yo I

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want to buy some of your bread how much

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is it and you're like oh my Bread's five

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bucks and you're like I'm gonna walk

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over there and get the bread for you

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know 4.90 I'm Gonna Save myself 10 cents

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that's a market that's how we get price

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Discovery because we have individuals

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representing the market and

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participating the market participants so

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we have an exchange which you know it's

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kind of like the the vest I'm wearing

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here the New York Stock Exchange that's

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our traditional exchange then you've got

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Market participants sitting on the floor

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so floor Brokers and market makers they

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work price Discovery then you have

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actual brokers who are like your Robin

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Hood that like you as a retail

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individual essentially get access to

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that Marketplace because you can't walk

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into that Town Square you have to go

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through a broker and basically what I've

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just shown you is three different levels

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here right the exchange the market maker

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price Discovery uh and then the broker

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uh and then the Brokers are custody in

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your assets as well so you have these

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three different layers with coinbase

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it's all in one it's the exchange the

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price Discovery and the broker all in

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one and that's very different from

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traditional finance and that leaves no

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precedent for the SEC and no rules from

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Congress so you kind of have Gary

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Gensler you know which obviously almost

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nobody in crypto likes because you know

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especially in that famous CNBC interview

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he's talking about how like what do you

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mean digital dollar we don't need that

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we already have one and it's called the

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dollar right that kind of makes people

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question his sincerity in general uh

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although I don't know if he meant to say

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that buddy I mean that's what he said

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but anyway uh yeah look it's um it's

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going to be a rocky ride over the next

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year I mean we just heard about you know

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what some uh one of the executives over

12:30

at Celsius getting arrested and new

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lawsuit against Celsius so it'll be a

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lot of cleaning up but once it's clean

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it's it's gonna be uh it's gonna be

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great for crypto once it's all cleaned

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up

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Kevin do you think the dollar is

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competing with Bitcoin

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I probably it's it's interesting because

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there to some extent

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both somewhat speculative uh assets I

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don't think that somebody who looks at

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Bitcoin as a digital gold would ever

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invest in the dollar so that's not

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somebody who is a competitor somebody

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who doesn't like digital dollars would

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invest not in the dollar they'd invest

13:05

in just gold probably so I don't think

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you have competition there you certainly

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have competition for trading and

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speculation 100 you have that uh as far

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as a means of exchange I you probably

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have little uh reason to use Bitcoin at

13:20

this point unless you're using it as for

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like for an international means of

13:25

exchange and really I'd say most of the

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speculation in the dollar today is based

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on how high rates will be and given that

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we've had these two week inflation

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reports you're seeing the dollar get

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piled on in terms of ashore you know the

13:39

dollar really peaked around actually

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about a year from now when inflation was

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at Peak because people thought rates

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would stay high for long the higher

13:47

rates are the more people are attracted

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to buying our treasury bonds because

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it's the safest instrument in the world

13:53

uh deemed risk-free and and people need

13:56

to buy the dollar to be able to get

13:57

access to those treasuries so I think

13:59

you have a lot of different competing

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purposes for the different Assets in

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fact you have almost an opposite purpose

14:05

to buy Bitcoin versus the dollar like

14:07

you go long Bitcoin when you short the

14:10

dollar uh so I suppose that would be an

14:13

interesting way to maybe say there's

14:14

some competition but they're certainly

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not competing for the same thing

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um in that regard because again as rates

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fall risk assets are going to go up

14:22

which is great for crypto and the dollar

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is going to go down because yields are

14:25

going down so um probably too too hard

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to compare on a direct level but but

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look if we just step back for a moment

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and say is is there a competition

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between the dollar and Bitcoin I think

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when we look at it from the SEC level

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yeah yes absolutely because that's where

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you literally had Gary again so say what

14:46

do we need basically digital currency

14:47

for we have digital currency it's called

14:49

the dollar right so on that level there

14:51

is

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I'd say that's where him and your I

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don't want to say you're wrong but

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there's a common misconception that

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Bitcoin wants to be a digital currency

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uh first of all it's not fast enough

15:04

exactly way too volatile so I'm not

15:07

gonna hold Bitcoin in my business bank

15:09

account and have employees to pay an

15:10

overhead so the whole idea that we don't

15:13

need we don't need a digital currency we

15:14

have digital dollar that's it just

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really pisses me off and I apologize for

15:18

my uh no you should be pissed and

15:20

whether or not Bitcoin is seen as that

15:23

that actual digital currency replacement

15:24

I I agree with you that's that's not

15:27

really the argument I think more the

15:29

argument is like why is Gary saying that

15:32

right like what what really why does he

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get to decide what really should be up

15:39

to Congress and Congress should be

15:41

deciding and regulating what the people

15:43

want if people want different options

15:46

for a digital assets then Congress

15:50

should create a framework for that it's

15:52

really just Congress that's way behind

15:54

here Congress is ultimately uh the the

15:57

the group or the institution that

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decides this uh it's not going to be

16:03

some judge that somehow magically

16:05

figures out that digital assets belong

16:08

and how to regulate them although that's

16:10

just what the SEC is backed into because

16:12

of all the fraud that's occurred so they

16:14

have to file these lawsuits to try to

16:16

squeeze the industry to mitigate fraud

16:19

uh and uh and then hopefully spur

16:22

Congress to regulate that's at least my

16:24

thesis on what's going on but I agree

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with you on 2024. there there are laws

16:30

in queue there are two me I think Pat

16:32

two means some other Loomis are working

16:34

on bills that are already presented and

16:36

they're still working on them but to go

16:38

back just one more thing um

16:40

from my experience we have sold cars for

16:42

crypto in the bull market right now

16:43

nobody's doing that they're selling cars

16:45

but what really happens in the

16:47

functional functional usage of crypto is

16:49

people speculate on bitcoin so they'll

16:51

use the dollars to buy Bitcoin they'll

16:52

use stocks by ethereum and you know more

16:55

risky low cap coins and then they're

16:57

gonna cash out into usdc which is a

17:00

circle product uh also uh heavily tied

17:03

coinbase uh so for me I see usdc as the

17:08

digital currency that's competing with a

17:10

dollar that can actually become a cbdc

17:12

in the future and that's built in

17:13

ethereum why I love ethereum so

17:16

practically speaking to say that big we

17:18

don't need a digital dollar is

17:20

I was competing with Bitcoin I'm sorry

17:22

it's just it's just crazy

17:24

um like I said like you buy very very

17:27

speculative highly volatile Bitcoin so

17:29

that with dollars so they can later put

17:31

into usdc and then you can send it

17:33

overseas or or buy a car or whatever

17:35

with it and that's the actual practical

17:37

use of crypto is that you put into

17:39

stable coins so number one has got to

17:42

start with stablecoin regulation which

17:43

is the first step you uh you know if I'm

17:45

holding usdc like my plan 2025 I'm

17:48

cashing out 90 to usdc paying my taxes

17:52

long-term capital gains and then I'm

17:54

gonna go back in when it crashes by 50

17:56

60 again 26 and return 2030 but

17:59

like you said it starts with regulation

18:01

and that's what coinbase wants and

18:02

eventually they're going to get it and

18:04

it's going to be a beautiful thing so

18:05

appreciate your time Kevin thank you

18:07

yeah absolutely and I completely agree

18:09

with you by the way I'm a big fan of

18:11

stable coins to the extent that they

18:13

have transparency and I think that's

18:15

what regulation will bring because right

18:17

now you know we we don't know still

18:19

today how I mean obviously we've seen

18:21

the ramifications of it but the amount

18:23

of Leverage on these cbdc's uh well

18:25

sorry not the CBC speeds we don't have

18:27

those yet the on on stable coins uh is

18:29

is is obviously an issue this is where

18:31

we get the rehypothecation that took

18:33

down block fi and Voyager which was

18:35

literally what we had the CEOs on and I

18:38

asked them about I go there's got to be

18:39

so much risk in these cable coins like

18:40

I'm personally still so frustrated I'm

18:42

looking back and like give us

18:44

transparency of the stable coins like I

18:46

want to like stable coins but there's no

18:48

way you're offering nine percent without

18:50

all this crazy re-hypothecation they're

18:51

like don't worry we have safeguards in

18:54

place yeah oh oops just give it all the

18:56

three arrows capital what's the same so

18:59

yeah true transparency there in a real

19:02

functional stable coin I'm all in

19:05

yep and no I don't trust tether just for

19:07

the record

19:09

nice that's awesome dude this has been

19:10

amazing thank you so much man

19:12

thank you Kevin I'll hop on anytime you

19:14

want thank you now I want you to know

19:15

this when it comes to AI time is what's

19:19

going to make you money and if you can

19:21

prove that value to an employer you'll

19:24

always be able to be employed so this is

19:27

another way of making sure that you

19:28

don't get replaced but

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