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Okay, let's unpack this. Welcome back to

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the deep dive. Today we are really going

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deep uh into the body's response to well

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to crisis. We're talking about that

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physiological earthquake. You know, the

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one that happens inside a patient right

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after major trauma or surgery. And this

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isn't just like simple wound healing.

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We're looking at the metabolic

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aftershock. It's this huge systemic

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response, really complex and sometimes

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frankly self-destructive. It basically

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governs whether our patients are going

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to thrive or um fail in critical care.

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So our mission today, this is really for

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you the clinician listening. We want to

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synthesize a detailed kind of integrated

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picture of all those systemic

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physiological biochemical changes that

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follow injury. We need to get past just

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the basic categories and dive into the

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uh neuro hormonal switches, the

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inflammatory mediators, the damps, the

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pathways and figure out the practical

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conical implications of this whole

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unified stress system.

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>> Yes, exactly. And uh to jump right into

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that idea of integration, we're really

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looking at the surgical stress response

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not just as a reaction but as a well an

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integrated system. It involves neuro

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hormonal bits, inflammatory circuits,

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neural circuits all working together or

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sometimes against each other. And

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understanding this system is absolutely

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crucial because these fundamental

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changes we're talking profound

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catabolism, immune dysfunction, huge

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fluid shifts. These are the core

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challenges in managing major trauma,

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sepsis, complex peroperative care. that

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profoundly impact recovery uh long-term

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outcomes and ultimately survival itself.

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Okay, so to lay the groundwork, let's

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start with homeostasis. That's the core

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idea, right? Maintaining that constant

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internal environment so cells can

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function optimally. Now, when you

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introduce major trauma, severe injury,

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or extensive surgery, the body sees this

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as an immediate existential threat. It

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just violently disrupts that finely

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tuned balance,

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>> right? Everything gets thrown off

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kilter.

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>> Precisely. And the body's initial

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metabolic response um it's traditionally

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split into two main phases. First

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there's that initial acute very

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defensive phase sometimes called the EB

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phase often involves a period of shock

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and its characteristics well you see

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immediate conservation efforts hypoalmia

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decreased basil metabolic rate the BMR

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reduced cardiac output often hypothermia

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and frequently lactic acidosis.

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>> So clinically that's the body just

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slamming on the emergency brakes. It's

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immediate, almost primal, all about

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survival, prioritizing blood flow to

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vital organs, trying to survive that

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initial hit like hemorrhage.

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>> Exactly right. Its physiological role is

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purely survival in that moment,

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conserving circulating volume, rationing

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energy stores like crazy. But, and this

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is key, this phase is accompanied by

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this massive urgent neuro hormonal

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firing. And that neuro hormonal surge is

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what kicks off the systemic inflammatory

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response syndrome or SERS. Now,

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mobilizing body stores is life-saving

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initially, but if it goes on too long,

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that's where the negative consequences

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pile up. Rapid muscle breakdown, weight

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loss, and critically persistent

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hypoglycemia. All these things

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dramatically increase the risk of

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complications, especially infections.

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>> Okay, so that's the EB phase, the

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initial shock. Then, assuming successful

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resuscitation, controlling bleeding, the

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patient shifts gears into the second

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stage.

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>> That's right. Once the EB subsides,

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hopefully the patient transitions into

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what's often called the flow phase. This

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is actually the hyper metabolic phase,

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the opposite of the EB in terms of

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energy expenditure. And it's all focused

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on rebuilding tissue repair, restoring

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the body mass that was lost during that

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acute insult.

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>> So repair mode kicks in.

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>> Yes. But this phase characterized by

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that heightened metabolic activity can

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unfortunately last for weeks, even

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months after a really serious injury.

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The body is desperately trying to

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restore lost lean tissue and fix all the

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systemic damage. It's a long haul. And

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here's where, you know, modern medicine

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throws in a twist. The sources really

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highlight this contrast. In our trauma

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centers now, we're actually incredibly

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good at managing that immediate crisis,

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the bleeding, the initial shock. So,

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paradoxically, most hospital deaths

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after major trauma don't happen right

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away anymore. They happen days,

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sometimes weeks later. And they're the

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result of these complex, often

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uncontrolled physiological processes

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we're discussing, specifically multiple

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organ dysfunction syndrome, MODS, and

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secondary sepsis. That is the critical

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challenge, isn't it? We stabilize the

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patient from the immediate threat, but

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then this uncontrolled metabolic

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cascade, the body's own response,

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becomes the major risk factor. Even with

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everything we can do, the mortality for

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MODS is still stubbornly high, around

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25%. It's like the body's protected

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system overshoots and causes collateral

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damage.

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>> And this understanding, this devastating

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reality really forms the foundation of

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modern surgical thinking. the big push

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towards stress-free perioperative care,

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things like enhanced recovery after

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surgery irres protocols. It's all about

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actively trying to reduce the severity

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of that initial homeostatic disruption.

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The idea is if you can minimize the

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initial insult, maybe through minimal

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access surgery, better pain control with

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regional blocks, keeping the patient

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warm, you drastically reduce the

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intensity of the sir as the body feels

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it needs to launch. Less trigger, less

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response.

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>> Exactly. And it's important to remember

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this response isn't just on or off. It's

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graded. A simple elective procedure, say

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a lap coal, might cause just a modest

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temporary blip in inflammatory markers

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and temperature. But major trauma,

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severe sepsis, extensive burns, they

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push the system much harder. They

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accentuate all those changes

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dramatically leading directly to

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profound hyper metabolism, catastrophic

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catabolism, severe shock, and mods.

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>> Well, the bigger the injury, the deeper

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the metabolic hole the patient falls

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into. And I think maybe the most crucial

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detail here for us clinicians. The thing

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that makes standardized treatment so

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tricky is that genetic variability plays

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a huge role. Even with similar injuries,

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the intensity of that inflammatory

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response can vary significantly between

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individuals.

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>> That's a really critical point because

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if genetics are so important, it

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challenges our current maybe somewhat

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generalized approach based on just SERS

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or cars categories. Are we trying to

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apply one-sizefits-all treatments when

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two patients, same injury on paper,

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might have wildly different internal

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inflammatory trajectories? One rocketing

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towards hyperinflammation, the other

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towards immune paralysis or CARS.

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Figuring out that individual response is

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probably the next big challenge. Okay,

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so let's zoom in now. What actually

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triggers and keeps this whole cascade

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going? Let's look at the molecular and

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hormonal orchestrators. Starting right

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at the moment of tissue breakdown.

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Hashtag tag tag tag a tissue damage in

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the inflammatory cascade. Damps, right?

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So when tissue gets damaged, could be a

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surgical cut, a crush injury, a burn,

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the body doesn't necessarily need

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bacteria to sound the alarm, it senses

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the damage through the release of

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internal molecular bits and pieces from

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damaged or dying cells. These are called

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damage associated molecular patterns or

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damps. Sometimes people call them

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alarmins, which is quite a fitted term

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actually.

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>> Yeah, alarmins like internal smoke

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alarms going off everywhere. So these

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damps are the body's internal emergency

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call, basically yelling system failure.

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What are the key molecules we should be

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thinking about floating around in the

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plasma?

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>> Well, the key players are molecules that

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should be inside cells but are now

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inappropriately exposed. Things like

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heat shock proteins, high mobility group

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protein, B1, HMGB1, S100 proteins, even

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fragments of DNA or RNA. And these are

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immediately sensed by really

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sophisticated cellular sensors called

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pattern recognition receptors or PRs.

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the toll-like receptors, NOD like

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receptors. They sit strategically on our

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innate immune cells, macrofasages,

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neutrfils, dendritic cells, the first

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responders on the scene.

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>> And that sensing that damp binding to a

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PR, that's what lights the fuse for this

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massive systemic inflammation we see.

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How fast does that signal actually

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translate into a full-blown response

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because clinically it feels almost

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immediate? Sometimes

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>> it is incredibly fast, nanose really for

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the initial binding. That PRR activation

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triggers the rapid assembly of these

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complex protein machines inside the cell

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called inflammosomes. This assembly then

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leads to the activation of powerful

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enzymes specifically caspaces. And these

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casp bases in turn cleave and activate

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the key pro-inflammatory cytoines

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interucan 1 IL1 interalucan 6 IL6 and

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tumor necrosis factor alpha kthi plus

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others like interferons and chemocines.

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This sequence is the immediate start of

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a sterile systemic inflammatory cascade.

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Sterile meaning caused by the injury

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itself, not bacteria that results in

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SERS. The window to intervene

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pharmacologically right at this trigger

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point. It's probably minutes, maybe

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seconds, not hours.

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>> Wow. And that sterile inflammation, if

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it gets out of control or lasts too

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long, that's where the real danger lies

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clinically, isn't it? It becomes a major

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risk factor for that cascade of organ

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failure. AKI, ARDS, coagulopathy, MODS,

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even secondary brain injury.

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>> Exactly. And what makes tackling this so

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frustrating from a therapeutic

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standpoint is the concept of molecular

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redundancy. These damps can trigger

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several different receptors and the

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signals can travel down multiple

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pathways inside the cell. This crossover

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means that blocking just one pathway

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often doesn't shut down the whole

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inflammatory response. Another pathway

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just compensates. It's like trying to

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dam one tributary when the whole river

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is flooding. Plus, the process can feed

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itself. Dying cells release more damps,

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amplifying the inflammation. And we

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absolutely cannot forget those secondary

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triggers. Things that will pour gasoline

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on the fire if we don't get them under

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control quickly. We're talking ongoing

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sepsis obviously, but also hemorrhage,

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massive transfusion reactions, severe

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acidosis, crush syndrome, or eskeemia

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reprofusion injury after restoring blood

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flow. These aren't just happen alongside

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the inflammation. They actively maintain

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and amplify it, locking the patient into

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that prolonged catabolic state. Hashtagb

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the neuroendocrine pathways.

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Okay, so moving from the immediate local

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molecular alarms, the damps up to the

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central command center, the

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neuroendocrine system obviously jumps

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into action with that classic

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fight-or-flight stress response.

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>> Yes, this is a rapid communication

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highway. Those afrant pain nerves, the

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nonceptive neurons get excited by the

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local inflammation and tissue damage.

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They send signals racing up to the

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hypothalamus. This triggers the release

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of corticotropen releasing factor CRF.

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CRF then tells the anterior pituitary to

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release adreninocorticotropic hormone

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ACT and ACT hits the adrenal glands

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causing that dramatic surge in cortisol

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secretion often peaking just hours after

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the initial injury.

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>> The classic HPA access activation

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>> precisely and at the same time that

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hypothalamic activation fires up the

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sympathetic nervous system. You get

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release of adrenaline, epinephrine, both

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locally from nerve endings and

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systemically from the adrenal medulla

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and it also stimulates glucagon release

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from the pancreas. The sources are quite

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clear on this. If you experimentally

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give a highdose cocktail of these

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counter regulatory hormones, cortisol,

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glucagon, catakolamines, you can pretty

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much reproduce all the metabolic

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features of the injury response. They

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are incredibly powerful drivers.

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>> So the immediate job of this hormonal

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surge is just pure energy mobilization,

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right? override everything else.

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>> Absolutely. They're liberating huge

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amounts of glucose from glycogen stores,

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then initiating the breakdown of fat,

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lipolysis, and protein proteolysis. The

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goal is just flood the system with

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metabolic fuel glucose, fatty acids,

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amino acids for immediate energy needs,

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and for the building blocks needed for

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repair, even if it means sacrificing

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lean tissue long term. Now, for

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clinicians managing these patients

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daytoday, it's really vital to grasp

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that this neuroendocrine response is

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distinctly bifphasic. It changes over

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time.

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>> Absolutely. critical point. The acute

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phase lasting hours, maybe a day or two,

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is defined by those soaring levels of

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counterregulatory hormones. And

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generally that's thought to be

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beneficial for immediate survival,

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maximizing cardiac output, mobilizing

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fuel. But if the injury is severe or the

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stress becomes protracted, we shift into

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the chronic phase. This can last days or

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weeks. And here you often see

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hypothalamic suppression. the central

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drive decreases leading to lower serum

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levels of the target organ hormones,

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things like thyroid hormones, anabolic

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steroids like testosterone. And this

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chronic low-level hormonal state is

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thought to directly contribute to the

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problems we see in chronic critical

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illness, the persistent wasting, the

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immunosuppression, maybe even some of

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the cognitive dysfunction #tagc

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the complex interplay cytoines and

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hormones.

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>> Right? So it's not like these are two

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separate tracks running in parallel, the

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cytoine track and the neuroendocrine

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track. They're constantly talking to

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each other, amplifying each other's

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effects, aren't they?

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>> Oh, absolutely. It's a complex feedback

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loop, often a vicious one. Those initial

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pro-inflammatory cytoines we mentioned,

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IL1, TNFI, IL6, IL8, they're produced

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really rapidly within the first 24 hours

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usually, and they act directly on

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hypothalamus. They contribute to the

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fever, the pyrexia we see, by affecting

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central thermmorreulation. And

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crucially, they augment the hypothalamic

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stress response, essentially telling the

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brain, "Keep pumping out those stress

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hormones."

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>> It really is a full body assault. Then

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it is. And furthermore, these cytoines

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don't just act centrally. They have

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direct effects on peripheral tissues,

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too. They directly trigger proteolysis

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in skeletal muscle, that muscle

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breakdown we keep talking about. And

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simultaneously, they drive that acute

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phase protein production in the liver. A

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great example of this synergy is

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cortisol. Now we think of high cortisol

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as imunosuppressive generally but in

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this context it acts powerfully together

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with IL6 to ramp up the hpatic acute

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phase response. It helps the liver rep

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prioritize the entire body's protein

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metabolism towards making inflammatory

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and repair proteins.

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>> And we touched on this earlier but it

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bears repeating. The hypoglycemia itself

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isn't just a passive symptom of all this

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stress. It's an active participant

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actually making things worse.

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>> Yes, that's a critical clinical insight.

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Hypoglycemia actively aggravates

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inflammation, especially at the

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mitochondrial level inside cells. When

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you have high glucose flux, it generates

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excess oxygen free radicals, those

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reactive oxygen species, ROS. High

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glucose also alters gene expression in

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ways that enhance further cytoine

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production. It literally creates a

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self-sustaining vicious cycle. High

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blood sugar fuels the inflammation that

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caused the high blood sugar in the first

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place. And you know, given the sheer

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molecular complexity, network analyses

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show changes in like over 3,700 genes in

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white blood cells just from endotoxin

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exposure. This complexity is exactly why

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trying to find a single magic bullet,

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molecular therapy, has proven so

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difficult. It emphasizes why optimal

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clinical care, managing the whole

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physiological meal, your temperature,

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fluids, glucose, nutrition, minimizing

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secondary insults is likely more

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effective than targeting one specific

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molecule right now. Hashtagdagonists

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antagonist and immune dysfunction. Okay,

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so if this inflammatory cascade SERS

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were just allowed to run completely

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rampant, the patient would crash and

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burn pretty quickly from mods, the body

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must have some kind of braking system,

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right? A control mechanism.

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>> It does, thankfully. And the resolution,

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the breaking starts almost immediately

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alongside the acceleration. You see a

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mere image response within hours of

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those pro-inflammatory cytoines ramping

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up. Indogenous antagonist start

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appearing in the circulation. We see

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molecules like interlucan 1 receptor

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antagonist IL1 array which literally

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blocks the IL1 receptor. We see soluble

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forms of the TNF receptor TNFSR55 and 75

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that soak up circulating TNF. These act

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quickly to try and put the brakes on SER

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signaling and limit that systemic organ

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damage.

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>> So there's an anti-inflammatory response

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kicking in right away.

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>> Yes. And locally within the tissues, the

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cleanup is orchestrated by another

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fascinating group of molecules. The

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specialized pro-resolving mediators or

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SPMs. These are derived from essential

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fatty acids, things like lipoxins,

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resolins, protectins. Their job is to

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manage the crucial resolution phase,

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clearing away dead cells and debris,

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promoting the uptake of apoptoic

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neutrfils by macrofages, a process

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called ephroytosis, and actively

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signaling for the inflammation to stop.

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They're like the cleanup crew and the

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ceasefire negotiators combined.

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>> Okay, so SERS is the fire alarm and the

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initial uncontrolled blaze. The

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antagonists and SPMs are the

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firefighters and the cleanup crew. But

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what happens if the anti-inflammatory

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response the firefighters work too well

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or maybe they overreact relative to the

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initial fire?

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>> That is the flip side of the coin and it

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leads to the second major syndrome we

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worry about, compensatory

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anti-inflammatory response syndrome or

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CARS. If this anti-inflammatory phase

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becomes dominant perhaps after a really

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severe injury, major hemorrhage or maybe

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just due to individual genetic

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predisposition, it results in profound

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systemic immunosuppression. The patient

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essentially becomes imunoparalized and

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the consequence they become incredibly

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susceptible to opportunistic infections

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often with bugs that would normally

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cause problems. This can lead to severe

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secondary sepsis. This state often

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combined with the persistent catabolism

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is what we now often call PICSS,

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persistent inflammation,

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immunosuppression, and catabolism

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syndrome. It's that challenging state of

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chronic critical illness where patients

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just can't seem to recover.

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>> This really highlights the tightroppe

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walk for the patient, doesn't it? They

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have to navigate this narrow channel

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between the dangers of too much

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inflammation, SER leading to mods, and

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the dangers of too much

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anti-inflammation cars leading to sepsis

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and PICSS. And critically, as you

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mentioned, both the intensity of SERs

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and the intensity of cars seem to be

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subject to that individual genetic

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variability makes managing these

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patients incredibly complex. Right?

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Let's shift our focus now to the really

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tangible, often devastating effects that

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these hormonal and cytoine storms have

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on the body itself. This is where we see

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that phase sometimes graphically called

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autocanabolism. Hashtag a catabolism,

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hyper metabolism, and insulin

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resistance. So after we've hopefully

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gotten the patient through that initial

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EB phase, stabilized them, they enter

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this hyper metabolic flow phase and the

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intensity of this phase really mirrors

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the severity of the SR response they

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experienced. What are the key things we

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actually see at the bedside that tell us

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this hyper metabolism is raging?

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>> Well, the classic clinical signs are

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pretty obvious once you look for them.

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Significant tissue edema is common from

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all that ongoing capillary leakage. You

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see a sharply increased basil metabolic

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rate. True hyper metabolism maybe 15%

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25% sometimes even higher above their

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predicted resting energy expenditure.

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You also typically see increased cardiac

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output a raised core temperature or

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fever luccoytosis high white cell count.

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And importantly evidence of increased

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oxygen consumption and increased

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gluconneogenesis. The liver is just

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churning out glucose. They're

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essentially running their internal

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furnace on high but very inefficiently.

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>> What's actually driving that furnace?

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Why is the metabolic rate so high? It's

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driven by several things acting

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together. That central

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thermodyisregulation caused by

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circulating cytoines is a big part of

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the fever itself costs energy. Then

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there's the increased sympathetic

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activity. All that adrenaline release

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and interestingly abnormalities in wound

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circulation contribute too. Areas that

18:25

are eskeemic or poorly profused produce

18:28

lactate. This lactate travels to the

18:30

liver which then has to convert it back

18:31

to glucose via the Corey cycle. And the

18:34

Corey cycle is notoriously energy

18:36

expensive. It significantly adds to the

18:38

body's overall oxygen consumption and

18:40

heat production.

18:41

>> But the sources mentioned something

18:42

interesting that the theoretical maximum

18:44

level of hyper metabolism isn't always

18:46

what we measure. Our own ICU care can

18:48

dampen it down a bit.

18:49

>> That's a really important point for

18:50

interpreting metabolic studies. Yes.

18:52

Think about standard ICU care. We often

18:55

have patients on bed rest, sometimes

18:57

chemically paralyzed, mechanically

18:58

ventilated, which reduces work of

19:00

breathing. and we actively manage their

19:02

temperature with cooling or warming

19:04

blankets. All these interventions

19:06

actually limit the body's total energy

19:08

expenditure compared to what it might be

19:10

if the patient were say shivering

19:12

uncontrollably or thrashing around. So a

19:15

measured hyper metabolism might actually

19:17

underestimate the underlying drive which

19:19

is something to keep in mind.

19:20

>> Okay, now let's tackle the big one. The

19:22

clinical challenge that dominates so

19:24

much of our time in critical care and

19:25

contributes so heavily to poor outcomes.

19:28

insulin resistance and hypoglycemia.

19:31

Why does the body lose control of blood

19:32

sugar so dramatically in this state?

19:35

>> It's almost entirely driven by that

19:36

toxic cocktail of counterregulatory

19:39

hormones cortisol, glucagon,

19:41

catakolamines, and the inflammatory

19:43

cytoines, particularly TNFA and IL1.

19:47

These agents directly interfere with the

19:49

insulin signaling pathway in peripheral

19:51

tissues like muscle and fat. They

19:53

basically block the door preventing

19:55

glucose from getting into the cells even

19:57

when insulin is knocking. This leads to

19:59

profound peripheral insulin resistance.

20:02

Initially, insulin levels might even be

20:04

low due to sympathetic inhibition. But

20:06

later, even if the pancreas ramps up

20:08

insulin production, it's just not

20:10

effective at the cellular level. And as

20:12

you'd expect, the degree of insulin

20:14

resistance is almost always directly

20:16

proportional to the severity of the

20:17

injury of sepsis. More stress, more

20:19

resistance.

20:20

>> And as we established, this isn't just a

20:21

number on the glucometer. we need to

20:23

chase. This poor glycemic control,

20:25

especially when combined with that

20:26

ongoing catabolism, significantly

20:28

increases the risk of septic

20:30

complications. It fuels that vicious

20:32

cycle involving mitochondrial stress and

20:34

ROS production we talked about.

20:36

>> Precisely, which is why the cornerstone

20:38

of management for decades has been

20:39

aggressive IV insulin infusion to try

20:42

and maintain blood glucose within a

20:44

reasonable range. However, we also

20:46

learned the hard way, particularly from

20:48

the nice sugar trial, about the serious

20:50

dangers of overly tight control. Trying

20:53

to force glucose levels down too low

20:55

significantly increases the risk of

20:57

severe, potentially lethal iatrogenic

21:00

hypoglycemia. So, the balance is

21:02

absolutely critical. We need to control

21:04

the hypoglycemia to mitigate its

21:06

pro-inflammatory effects, but without

21:08

causing dangerous lows. Current thinking

21:10

generally favors slightly looser glucose

21:12

targets than perhaps were aimed for 10

21:13

or 15 years ago. It's a constant

21:15

balancing act. Hashtag hashtag has a

21:17

skeletal muscle wasting the

21:19

autocanabolism.

21:20

>> Okay, let's talk about maybe the most

21:21

dramatic and frankly visually

21:23

distressing physiological outcome of

21:25

this whole stress response. The profound

21:27

skeletal muscle wasting. This really

21:29

represents the body making some brutal

21:30

choices about resource allocation.

21:32

>> It is the ultimate metabolic rep

21:34

prioritization.

21:36

The body essentially decides that

21:38

peripheral tissues, skeletal muscle, fat

21:40

stores, even skin to some extent are

21:43

less critical for immediate survival

21:44

than the central players. So it

21:47

forcefully redirects the limited

21:48

metabolic building blocks away from

21:50

these peripheral stores and mobilizes

21:53

them towards the key central viscera.

21:55

The liver which needs amino acids for

21:57

that massive acutephase protein

21:59

synthesis, the immune system which needs

22:01

fuel and components to function and of

22:04

course the active wound site itself

22:05

which needs resources for healing.

22:07

>> The sources quantify this loss in really

22:09

stark terms. Can you give us a sense of

22:11

the sheer magnitude of protein that can

22:13

be lost? It's quite shocking.

22:14

>> It really is. In severe states like

22:16

major sepsis or extensive burns, the

22:19

measured urinary nitrogen losses can hit

22:21

14 to 20 grams per day. Now, you have to

22:23

remember that nitrogen loss correlates

22:25

directly with the breakdown of lean body

22:26

mass. So, 1420 grams of nitrogen per day

22:29

translates to the destruction of roughly

22:31

500 g of wet skeletal muscle every

22:34

single day. Half a kilo of muscle gone.

22:36

>> Half a kilo a day. That's staggering.

22:38

>> It is. Think about that accumulating

22:40

over a week or two in the ICU. And

22:43

crucially, the sources really emphasize

22:45

this. This relentless muscle breakdown

22:48

cannot be fully stopped just by giving

22:50

artificial nutrition, whether it's TPN

22:52

or entrol feeding. As long as that

22:54

underlying severe systemic stress

22:56

response, the SRS or sepsis is still

22:59

raging. You have to control the

23:01

inflammation first. That really

23:02

underscores the idea that nutritional

23:04

support during the acute severe phase is

23:07

more about mitigating losses being

23:09

permissive rather than expecting to

23:11

build muscle back until the inflammation

23:13

cools down. So let's get into the nuts

23:16

and bolts. How is the muscle actually

23:18

being destroyed at the molecular level?

23:20

>> Okay, so we're fighting specific

23:21

molecular machinery here. Muscle wasting

23:24

happens because you get a massive

23:25

increase in the rate of muscle protein

23:26

degradation combined with a simultaneous

23:29

decrease in the rate of muscle protein

23:30

synthesis. It's a double whammy and the

23:33

predominant mechanism driving the

23:35

breakdown, the one that requires energy,

23:36

ATP, is the ubiquitin proteism pathway.

23:39

>> The ubiquitin proteism pathway. Okay,

23:41

break that down for us. What does that

23:42

actually mean inside the muscle cell?

23:44

>> Right. So, ubiquitin is a small protein

23:46

that acts like a tag or a loal. Specific

23:49

enzymes attach multiple copies of

23:51

ubiquitin to proteins that are targeted

23:53

for destruction. Then this large

23:56

molecular machine called the 26S

23:58

proteism recognizes this ubiquitant tag.

24:01

Think of it like a cellular recycling

24:03

center or shredder. It grabs the tagged

24:05

protein, unfolds it and chops it up into

24:08

small peptides and amino acids which can

24:10

then be released from the muscle cell.

24:12

Other pathways like lysosomal cmpins and

24:15

the calcium dependent calcine system

24:17

play supporting roles. But the evident

24:19

protein system is really the main engine

24:21

of this accelerated catabolism and it's

24:23

fueled by the energy available in that

24:24

hyper metabolic state. Furthermore, to

24:27

get crucial amino acids like glutamine

24:29

and alanine out of the muscle, often

24:31

needed by the gut and liver, the muscle

24:34

has to irreversibly break down its own

24:35

branch chain amino acids. This ensures a

24:38

net loss of protein from the muscle.

24:40

>> And the clinical consequence of all

24:41

this, it's not just looking thin.

24:43

>> Oh, absolutely not. The clinical

24:44

consequences are profound. Severe

24:47

weakness, inability to participate in

24:49

physical therapy, reduced functional

24:51

ability long after discharge, difficulty

24:53

weaning from mechanical ventilation due

24:55

to respiratory muscle weakness,

24:57

increased risk of complications like

24:58

pressure sores and hypoatic pneumonia.

25:00

It directly impacts morbidity and

25:02

mortality, both short-term and

25:04

long-term. Hashtag tacy alterations in

25:07

body composition and hpatic response.

25:09

>> Let's look at the bigger picture of body

25:11

composition. We know protein is the main

25:13

resource the body draws on besides fat.

25:16

What are the critical thresholds here?

25:18

>> Right? Protein is the main labile

25:19

reserve, meaning it can be broken down

25:21

and mobilized relatively easily, unlike

25:23

say structural components. The average

25:25

70 kg man has about 12 kilos of total

25:28

body protein, most of it in muscle. The

25:30

sources state pretty bluntly that

25:31

survival becomes unlikely if total body

25:34

protein mass loss reaches about 30% to

25:36

40%. There's a simple rule of thumb

25:38

often used. The loss of just one gram of

25:41

nitrogen in the urine corresponds to the

25:42

breakdown of about 36 gram of wet weight

25:45

lean tissue. So those high nitrogen

25:47

losses we discussed translate into

25:48

massive tissue destruction.

25:50

>> And while the muscle is being broken

25:51

down, the liver is doing the exact

25:53

opposite, right? It's ramping up

25:55

production in the hpatic acute phase

25:57

response, APR.

25:58

>> Exactly. It's another massive rep

26:00

prioritization, this time of protein

26:02

metabolism, shifting the focus squarely

26:04

onto the liver. And this is driven

26:06

primarily by that cytoine 6 acting

26:09

synergistically with cortisol as we

26:11

mentioned.

26:11

>> So this APR involves a clear trade-off.

26:13

The body makes certain proteins at the

26:15

expense of others. What are the key

26:17

players here?

26:18

>> We usually categorize them as positive

26:20

and negative acute phase reactants. The

26:22

positive reactants are proteins whose

26:24

plasma concentrations increase

26:26

dramatically during stress. Classic

26:28

examples are fibbrinogen involved in

26:30

clotting and C reactive protein CRP

26:33

which we measure all the time. The

26:35

levels of these can shoot up by hundreds

26:36

or even thousands of percent. This surge

26:39

provides proteins needed for host

26:40

defense, coagulation, wound repair,

26:43

limiting tissue damage. But, and this is

26:45

the crucial trade-off, the amino acids

26:47

needed for this rapid synthesis are

26:49

ripped primarily from peripheral lean

26:51

tissue, mainly muscle. Conversely, the

26:54

negative reactants are proteins whose

26:55

plasma concentrations decrease. The most

26:58

prominent example, the one we track

26:59

closely, is albumin. Its levels drop

27:02

sharply in critical illness. Now you

27:03

mentioned a critical clinical nuance

27:05

here about why albumin drops. It's often

27:07

misinterpreted on rounds isn't it?

27:09

>> Yes. Very often the common assumption is

27:11

that the liver is failing or synthesis

27:13

is just shut down. But actually reduced

27:16

apatic synthesis only accounts for a

27:18

relatively small part

27:22

level plummet is due to something called

27:24

the increased transcapillary escape rate

27:26

or t

27:27

>> tier. Okay. That's the leaky pipes

27:29

phenomenon again, isn't it? Can you give

27:30

us a sense of how leaky things get?

27:32

Exactly. The systemic inflammation makes

27:35

the tiny blood vessels the capillaries

27:37

much more permeable. So albumin which

27:40

normally stays mostly within the

27:42

vascular space starts leaking out

27:43

rapidly into the surrounding tissues

27:45

into the interstitium. Following major

27:48

injury or sepsis, this tear can increase

27:50

by as much as threefold. So three times

27:52

the normal rate of albumin is escaping

27:54

the circulation. That's why the serum

27:56

level drops so fast. And the key

27:58

clinical insight here is that just

28:00

pouring more albamin solution into the

28:02

patient to correct the low albamin level

28:04

is often like trying to fill a leaky

28:06

bucket. It might raise the level

28:08

temporarily, but it doesn't fix the

28:10

fundamental problem which is the

28:11

leakiness of the capillaries due to

28:12

ongoing inflammation. Plus, it just add

28:15

to the tissue edema.

28:16

>> Which brings us neatly to that final

28:17

clinical paradox. The critically ill

28:20

patient who often looks swollen gains

28:22

weight on the scales but is

28:23

simultaneously melting away internally,

28:25

losing critical protein mass. Yes, I

28:27

think every clinician has seen this.

28:29

Patients who look visibly puffy, maybe

28:31

they're up 8, 10 kilos, even more from

28:33

their admission weight, yet their serum

28:34

beamin is in the boots and they're

28:36

profoundly weak. This weight gain is

28:38

almost entirely due to the aggressive

28:40

fluid resuscitation we have to give,

28:42

especially early on to manage shock and

28:44

maintain organ profusion. The body

28:46

weight shoots up immediately, largely

28:48

due to a massive expansion of the

28:50

extracellular water compartment, maybe 6

28:52

to 10 liters or more within the first 24

28:54

hours. So they are physically heavier

28:56

because they're holding on to

28:57

resuscitation fluid, their abdus, but at

28:59

the same time their total body protein

29:01

mass is diminishing significantly. You

29:04

might see a 15% loss of body protein

29:06

over just 10 days in a severe case. And

29:08

this is exactly why modern elective

29:10

surgery protocols like ERS, but such a

29:12

heavy emphasis on rigorously avoiding

29:14

this excessive fluid administration and

29:16

weight gain by carefully limiting IV

29:18

crystalloids. that fluid overload

29:20

significantly contributes to visceral

29:21

edema, gut dysfunction, and prolongs

29:24

recovery.

29:24

>> Okay, so wrapping all this understanding

29:26

together, our primary goal as clinicians

29:28

managing these patients has to be

29:30

limiting or controlling all those

29:32

factors that prolong the acute pace

29:34

response. If we can't always prevent the

29:36

initial damp release from the injury

29:37

itself, we absolutely must be aggressive

29:40

about controlling the secondary hits,

29:41

those compounding factors. Hashtag

29:44

avoidable factors compounding the

29:46

response. Yes, we need to be

29:47

relentlessly vigilant about controlling

29:49

a specific list of factors that we know

29:51

exacerbate and prolong the stress

29:52

response. This applies equally in

29:54

elective surgery planning and in

29:56

emergency resuscitation. The list

29:58

includes things like ongoing hemorrhage

30:00

or any kind of under resuscitation

30:02

causing volume loss, any degree of

30:04

hypothermia, uncontrolled tissue edema

30:07

from over resuscitation, persistent

30:09

tissue under profusion or shock,

30:11

prolonged starvation, and that includes

30:13

unnecessarily long pre-operative fasting

30:16

periods, immobility, and critically

30:18

uncontrolled pain. Each of these acts

30:20

like pouring fuel on the existing fire.

30:22

>> Let's zero in on starvation for a

30:24

moment. It's almost endemic in the

30:26

surgical patient experience because of

30:28

NPO orders and gut dysfunction. We need

30:30

to really highlight the metabolic

30:32

difference between just simple fasting

30:33

like skipping a meal versus starvation

30:36

combined with injury or sepsis.

30:38

>> That distinction is absolutely crucial.

30:40

During simple uncomplicated starvation,

30:43

say someone fasting electively, the body

30:45

needs about 100 grams of glucose per day

30:47

primarily for the brain. Initially, it

30:49

uses up its glycogen stores. Once

30:51

glycogen is gone after maybe 12 24 hours

30:54

the liver kicks in with gluconneioenesis

30:56

making new glucose mainly from amino

30:58

acids from muscle breakdown initially

31:00

and lactate. But the key adaptive

31:02

process in simple starvation is that the

31:05

body rapidly attenuates nitrogen loss.

31:07

It switches its primary fuel source to

31:09

mobilizing fat stores ketones and

31:12

becomes highly metabolically efficient

31:13

at conserving lean body mass preserving

31:15

protein.

31:16

>> But injury throws a wrench in that

31:18

adaptation

31:19

>> completely. injury or sepsis

31:21

fundamentally prevents that normal

31:23

adaptive switch to efficient fat burning

31:24

and protein sparing. That hormonal and

31:27

cytoine storm we discussed effectively

31:30

overrides the body's ability to conserve

31:32

protein. So the injured or septic

31:34

patient remains stuck in this state of

31:36

ongoing high rate autocanabolism.

31:39

They are forced to continue breaking

31:40

down lean tissue at an unsustainable

31:42

rate to provide glucose via

31:44

gluconneioenesis and those essential

31:46

amino acids needed for the inflammatory

31:48

response and tissue repair. They can't

31:50

make that efficient switch to fat

31:52

metabolism. This is precisely why early

31:55

nutritional support, preferably via the

31:57

entral route if the gut works, is

31:59

considered so non-negotiable in critical

32:01

care today. You have to provide external

32:03

substrate because the body is prevented

32:05

from efficiently using its own stores

32:07

while conserving muscle. # tag tagb

32:10

fluid balance and hypothermia.

32:12

>> Okay. Fluid balance. It's notoriously

32:13

tricky in the post-operative or post

32:15

injury patient because as you said the

32:18

neuroendocrine response is naturally

32:19

trying to conserve salt and water, which

32:21

seems counterintuitive when we're often

32:23

pouring fluids in during resuscitation.

32:25

>> That's the classic post-operative fluid

32:27

management headache, isn't it? Hormones

32:29

like ADH, antidiuretic hormone and

32:31

eldoststerone are surging, telling the

32:32

kidneys to hold on to sodium and water.

32:34

This results in that natural

32:36

post-operative oligura, the reduced

32:38

urine output we often see. Pain and

32:40

emotional stress also stimulate ADH

32:42

release, compounding the effect. Now,

32:44

when we resuscitate these patients,

32:46

often with large volumes of saline

32:48

richch crystalloid fluids, we

32:50

dramatically exacerbate this underlying

32:52

tendency towards fluid retention. We're

32:54

essentially pouring salt and water into

32:55

a system that's already primed to hold

32:57

on to it. And the danger here isn't just

32:59

swollen ankles. The real problem with

33:01

excessive salt and water retention is

33:02

severe visceral edema. Fluid accumulates

33:05

in the walls of organs, particularly in

33:07

less compliant spaces like the stomach

33:09

and the bowel wall. This gut edema leads

33:11

directly to reduced gastric motility,

33:13

elas, delayed tolerance of feeding and

33:16

consequently it prolongs the catabolic

33:17

state and the overall length of hospital

33:19

stay. This mechanism is exactly why

33:21

modern fluid management guidelines

33:23

stress careful goal- directed limitation

33:26

of 5V crystalloids. aiming to avoid net

33:28

positive fluid balance and weight gain

33:31

after the initial resuscitation phase.

33:33

The data showing this reduces

33:34

complications and speeds recovery is

33:36

really robust now.

33:37

>> Right. And moving on to temperature.

33:39

Hypothermia feels like such a basic

33:41

thing to manage, maybe even trivial

33:42

sometimes, but its impact on amplifying

33:44

the stress response is actually

33:46

enormous.

33:47

>> The metabolic cost of being cold is

33:49

staggering.

33:50

Even mild hypothermia just a degree or

33:53

two Celsius below normal triggers a

33:55

massive increase in the production of

33:56

adrenal steroids and catakolamines.

33:59

Physiologically the body is desperately

34:01

trying to generate heat mainly through

34:03

shivering which demands huge amounts of

34:05

energy and oxygen consumption thus

34:07

directly fueling catabolism. Clinically

34:10

this stress significantly increases the

34:12

risk of post-operative cardiac problems

34:14

like arhythmias and also impairs

34:16

coagulation leading to more bleeding.

34:19

The evidence here is really

34:20

overwhelming. Actively maintaining

34:22

normotheria, keeping the patient warm

34:24

during surgery and in the early

34:25

postoperative period has been clearly

34:27

shown to reduce wound infection rates,

34:30

minimize cardiac complications, decrease

34:32

bleeding, and lower transfusion

34:33

requirements. It's a fundamental pillar

34:35

of reducing the overall catabolic stress

34:37

response and blunting that

34:39

neuroindocrine activation. It's not

34:41

optional. It's essential care. # tagc

34:44

microirculation, tissue edema, and

34:47

endothelial function. And that systemic

34:49

inflammatory response, the SRS, has a

34:52

direct physical and functional impact

34:54

right down to the level of the tiniest

34:56

blood vessels, the microirculation,

34:58

mainly through those induced changes in

35:00

permeability.

35:00

>> Can you just walk us through the final

35:02

mechanism behind that capillary leak

35:04

again, and how it directly impacts

35:06

oxygen getting to the cells?

35:08

>> Sure. So the systemic inflammation

35:10

driven by cytoines, kinins, excessive

35:12

metitric oxide, no production causes the

35:15

endothelial cells lining the capillaries

35:17

to retract slightly opening up gaps

35:19

between them. This makes the capillaries

35:20

leaky. Fluid and plasma proteins

35:23

especially albumin then leak out of the

35:25

vascular space and accumulate in the

35:26

surrounding tissues creating edema. This

35:30

edema has direct consequences for organ

35:32

function in the lungs. It increases the

35:34

distance oxygen has to diffuse from the

35:36

alvoli to the capillary blood. In the

35:39

kidneys, the interstatial swelling can

35:41

impair function. And interestingly, as

35:43

the extracellular space swells with this

35:45

leaked fluid, water can actually be

35:47

pulled out of the cells themselves to

35:49

try and maintain osmotic balance,

35:51

leading to intracellular dehydration,

35:52

further messing up cellular homeostasis.

35:55

Ultimately, if the endothelium, the

35:57

lining of the blood vessels becomes too

35:58

damaged or dysfunctional due to this

36:00

excessive inflammation, the entire

36:02

microirculation is compromised. You get

36:04

poor blood flow, sludging of red cells,

36:07

impaired oxygen delivery at the cellular

36:09

level leading to cellular hypoxia, and

36:11

that dramatically increases the risk of

36:13

progression to full-blown organ failure.

36:15

The endothelium is ground zero in many

36:17

ways,

36:18

>> which brings us right back around to

36:19

glucose control, connecting the dots. We

36:22

said earlier that hypoglycemia makes

36:24

inflammation worse. How does keeping

36:26

blood sugar under better control

36:27

specifically help protect that fragile

36:29

endothelium,

36:30

>> right? So, appropriate blood sugar

36:31

control, usually with an insulin

36:33

infusion, is thought to have direct

36:35

protective effects on the endothelial

36:36

lining itself. One proposed mechanism

36:39

involves nitric oxide. Hypoglycemia

36:42

seems to increase the activity of an

36:43

enzyme called inducible nitric oxide

36:45

synthes or inos. This leads to excessive

36:48

uncontrolled N O production. While some

36:51

N is good for vasoddilation, too much

36:54

contributes to that increased capillary

36:56

permeability and harmful vasoddilation

36:58

seen in shock states. By controlling the

37:00

glucose levels, we might limit this

37:02

excessive inos activity and damaging N O

37:05

release. This could help preserve the

37:07

integrity of the microvascular barrier,

37:09

reduce leakiness, maintain better

37:10

microirculatory flow, and ultimately

37:12

reduce the risk of endothelial

37:14

compromise translating into organ

37:15

failure. So controlling the patient's

37:17

sugar isn't just about preventing keto

37:19

acidosis. It's fundamentally about

37:21

protecting the plumbing of the entire

37:22

circulatory system from the damaging

37:24

effects of inflammation. # tagoutro. So

37:27

we try and synthesize this whole complex

37:29

picture for you. The clinician

37:30

listening, the pathway becomes clear,

37:31

doesn't injury, whether accidental

37:33

trauma or planned surgery triggers the

37:35

release of damps from damaged cells.

37:37

Those damps then activate both the

37:39

neuroindocrine axis cortisol adrenaline

37:41

and the cytoine axis IL1 IL6 TNFA

37:44

initiating SER. This coordinated though

37:47

often excessive and ultimately

37:48

detrimental response leads to that

37:50

massive rep prioritization of the body's

37:52

resources. We see severe catabolism

37:54

driven primarily by that destructive

37:56

ubiquitin proteism pathway in muscle.

37:58

And we see significant compositional

38:00

changes, hypoglycemia due to insulin

38:02

resistance, widespread tissue edema and

38:04

dramatic fluid shifts fueled by that

38:06

high transcapillary escape rate from

38:08

leaky capillaries.

38:09

>> Yeah. And understanding this intricate,

38:11

aggressive, and highly interconnected

38:13

system really validates the huge

38:15

paradigm shift we've seen in modern

38:17

surgical and critical care. It

38:19

completely confirms the rationale behind

38:21

things like stress-free peroperative

38:23

management, er protocols aiming to

38:26

minimize the initial hit and our

38:28

constant multiaceted battle against all

38:30

those secondary insults, things like

38:32

preventing sepsis, avoiding hypothermia,

38:34

controlling pain aggressively, and

38:36

avoiding unnecessary starvation. The

38:38

goal at the end of the day is always the

38:40

rapid and effective restoration of a

38:42

stable internal environment, achieving

38:44

homeostasis again to minimize that

38:46

destructive catabolism and allow true

38:48

anabolic recovery, true healing to

38:50

finally begin. And I think the sheer

38:52

complexity we've uncovered today, the

38:54

redundancy built into the inflammatory

38:56

pathways, a mirror image existence of

38:58

both SERS and CARS and overlying all of

39:00

it, that significant patient specific

39:02

genetic variability and response

39:03

intensity. It really underscores why

39:05

finding generalized molecular therapies,

39:07

those magic bullets, has been so

39:09

challenging, especially in the acute

39:10

setting. It forces us back time and

39:12

again to optimizing fundamental clinical

39:14

care,

39:14

>> which really does raise a crucial

39:15

question, maybe the provocative thought

39:17

for us to leave you with as you head

39:18

back to the wards or the ICU. Given the

39:21

immense difficulty in trying to

39:23

therapeutically block specific redundant

39:26

molecular pathways and acknowledging

39:28

that genetic variability are

39:29

personalized diagnostics the next

39:31

crucial frontier. Are we moving towards

39:34

a future where we can use rapid genetic

39:36

screening or maybe sophisticated

39:37

biomarker panels early on to identify

39:40

which specific inflammatory trajectory a

39:42

patient is heading down. Can we tell if

39:44

they're aggressively trending towards

39:45

severe SERS and early mobs or if they're

39:48

perhaps leaning dangerously into cars

39:50

and immunouppression? Could that kind of

39:53

personalized insight finally allow us to

39:55

optimize our critical care strategies

39:56

with more tailored rather than

39:58

generalized treatment protocols?

40:00

Something definitely worth thinking

40:01

about as you review the metabolic

40:03

journey of your next complex

40:04

post-operative or trauma patient.

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