wtf stock market
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usually when I make YouTube videos one
of the things I love is having the
perspective of bear pieces so that I can
evaluate what do I think is going on in
the world around me how do people feel
about the economy how do consumers act
how are consumer spending what's going
on with uh businesses incomes and
expenditures everywhere around me and I
like to take that information and then
compare it to what I see in earnings
reports at companies then I like to read
bullish reports and I like to read
bearish reports basically I try to read
everything that I can about what's going
on in the economy as of about the last I
don't know maybe two weeks here ever
since TS Lombard flipped there's been a
really big change and it's a big
flip-flop that I'd like to talk about
because I find it quite interesting uh
potentially also important but remember
TS Lombard's flip-flop first of all in
case you don't remember TS Lombard the
way you have to look at them is as a
bear they've pretty much consistently
written bear pieces for the last two
years and what's remarkable is
just about a month ago they flipped and
how did they flip well you might
remember they wrote a bear piece and
said we're bearish but we're going to
go neutral on stocks in other words
we're going to increase our allocation
to stocks because stocks might go up
in other words TS law enforce like we
don't think the FED could stick a soft
landing and we're really big bears we
think inflation is going to continue
there'll be a second wave of inflation
Commodities are going to Boom rates are
going to stay higher for longer we're
all screwed basically
but we're flipping because stocks might
actually go up now after that moment
I've noticed it's been extremely
difficult anywhere to find really
bearish information from people mostly
because it feels like every day somebody
else is flipping and now this on one
hand sounds really great because it
means if everybody's flipping from being
a bear to actually being positive about
the market that eventually we should
start seeing even substantially more
allocation to the stock market uh and
the rising stock market which I suppose
if we look at the NASDAQ and just take a
pause there and a breather for a moment
oh wait that's exactly what's been
happening it's the Nike Swoosh which is
something we've been talking about for
what a couple about a year and a half
now
and the reason it works is because not
all bears capitulate at once they slowly
roll off and then as they roll off they
realize they are underweight equities
and they allocate to various different
stocks and companies and they become
less bearish and as they become less
bearish they don't immediately go from
you know let's say 10 stocks to 100
stocks but they slowly rotate that dial
to allocate it rather than under
allocated
and that's actually what we've seen in
not just the NASDAQ Rising but also I
mean you could see nvidia's meteoric
Rise here Beyond nvidia's meteoric rise
we could look at the djx as well uh Dow
Jones Industrial index
that's been a little bit more stuck but
as of what recently it's also starting
to rise uh let's look at the Spy
all right same thing so every index we
look at even the Dow which has been a
little bit slow picked up yesterday
where the NASDAQ took a little breather
and so even though uh we're going to
take a little piece look at a bit of a
bear uh or um uh piece here on debt uh
billions and corporate debt coming to
you even though we're going to look at
what is maybe a big take on a bearish
piece
I wanted to start this video out by
arguing
it's getting increasingly uh difficult
to find a contra argument to where the
economy is going which seems to be a
relatively soft Landing maybe if there
was a recession a super minor recession
with most employers seeking to retain
their employees and essentially
supporting spending through any kind of
recession that we might face which could
really be base effect based but that's a
way of saying that like hey even if
we're just like 0.1 percent slower of an
economy than we were last year we're
still technically in a recession which I
always find very weird that you could
have such a massive run-up and then the
fact that we didn't know ready go
substantially negative after that crazy
spending we had during 2021 blows my
mind but whatever
so let's take a look at this here's a
Bloomberg bear piece mind you it's it's
so hard to find bear pieces these days
and look you've got like a lightning
bolt striking a building it's it's
supposed to appear scary anyway it talks
about this 500 billion Dollar corporate
debtstorm building over the global
economy and on a daily basis I'm seeing
more and more talk about corporate debt
now what I'd like to do is first mention
that yesterday I was reading a front
page story on the Wall Street Journal
that was talking about one of the
reasons the consumer has been so
resilient is because they actually took
advantage of consolidating their
personal debt during the pandemic so
they have less personal debt than they
did going into the recovery after the
pandemic
which is one of the reasons potentially
the consumers continue to spend
so the consumer's been okay
so if we can't talk bearishly about the
consumer maybe we have to talk bearishly
about
corporate debt
see corporate debt is an interesting one
because if we look at corporate debt we
think okay well this would be bad right
I mean like a massive amount of
corporate debt could end up destroying
companies and leading to bankruptcy
right maybe when you're going into a
bearish market but not when you're
looking at what carvana just pulled off
consider for a moment what carvana just
pulled off
carvana was literally about six months
ago defaulting on their debt
that is step one to bankruptcy textbook
bankruptcy you stop making payments
can't afford to actually pay your debt
holders that's where carvana was six
months ago fast forward to today carvana
Dave
80 of their bondholders a middle finger
and said we are writing you off and
we're not paying you any more suck it
basically extinguished about 400 million
dollars of corporate interest expense
and now their Stock's gone from three
dollars
to 46 dollars like what is that I don't
know 15x or something like that it's
insane
and they did that by being able to
middle finger off the death holder so
even stories where you have corporations
that are like they're going bankrupt
they're not even making their payments
anymore
somehow have been able to survive maybe
it's all driven by Insane uh liquidity
reserves that still exist either at
companies or with consumers or maybe
because the stock market is recovered
it's able to prop up zombie companies or
maybe carvana has truly turned around
and maybe they're unique but it's
fascinating nonetheless and so it's
worth going into this Bloomberg big take
and remembering that
all of these super bearish things so far
just haven't really come to fruition I
mean a couple more things banking crisis
it's basically a nothing burger and that
was like scary when I was going on not
only that but what about the liquidity
crisis oh as expected the buffer of the
fed repo facility is filling the
treasury General's coffers again and now
people are people are literally punching
the air in real life like Kevin
see this is the air punch what is going
on
did you see that our debt is already up
another trillion dollars what is this
man our country's been misbearing it's
just supposed to crash
and it's like
all the Bears literally pissed off in
real life too like how is this possible
how can carvana survive how can the
country uh continue to expand its debt
like this and and all these crises that
we're supposed to have end up not
happening
leads to very unhappy bears
anyway Let's uh try to touch a little
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500 billion Dollar corporate debt storm
builds over the global economy the
concerns of a credit crisis have receded
but a wave of corporate bankruptcies is
building now that an era of easy money
has come to an end yes yes I yeah of
course it's they're all gonna go
bankrupt okay you're going to see a lot
of defaults it feels different from the
prior cycle because other companies
might not be able to withstand the debt
burden they have and we'll either choose
to default or restructure which could
really hurt the economy should many of
these occur at the same time well
maybe maybe not see
bankruptcies are actually a beautiful
thing
they take bad ideas
and they delete them they take people
who are working for inefficient
companies and they say hey
you're working for a company that's not
that efficient would you mind going and
finding another job see I made that all
like 2023-ish it's really more like
we're going bankrupt you're laid off and
you're like gosh I lost my job if you
can go find something else and you're
like oh I got a better job oh this place
is better anyway that's capitalism right
that's the whole point you're supposed
to see bad companies go bankrupt the
fact that we actually haven't seen more
bad companies go bankrupt via corporate
bankruptcies or restructuring or
whatever
blows my mind anyway continuing
uh so here's an individual who's talking
about this 500 billion dollar storm of
corporate debt distress that's already
starting to make a landfall according to
data compiled by Bloomberg the tally is
all but certain to grow okay and that's
deepening worries on Wall Street by
threatening the slow economic growth and
strain credit markets just emerging from
the deepest losses in decades okay
on the surface much of it looks like the
usual churn of capitalism of companies
undermined by forces like technological
change or the rise of remote work and
emptied Office Buildings see that's kind
of what my impression was yet underneath
the surface there's deeper more
troubling info that loads have swelled
during an era of usually unusually cheap
money and now that's a heavier burden as
central banks ratchet up interest rates
I mean we've heard this one for quite a
while but okay all right whatever
total outstanding corporate bonds and
Loans trading at distressed levels
exceed 590 billion dollars okay so let's
touch on that for a moment
the The Innovation uh dare I said of the
corporate bond is actually quite quite
brilliant because think about a
corporate bond for a moment
you go to a corporation and you say Hey
look
this is you right here
um uh let's draw like the oh dear lord
okay
uh that's our problem oh okay here we go
all right this is you okay
that's you and uh this right here is the
uh paper mill
okay so that's the factory
you're going to give a thousand dollars
to the factory
and the company is going to give you
an IOU and which is a promise to repay
right so they're going to give you a
promise to repay but they're also going
to give you uh potentially some form of
coupon book
where you could redeem your you know
quarterly uh Bond payment or whatever
that's your your yield right when you
paid a thousand bucks maybe you signed
up to get a four percent yield so you're
getting 40 bucks a year congratulations
here's your coupon and maybe you could
redeem that at 10 bucks a quarter okay
great
so what's happened now though is as
we've gone into turbulent times
these corporations are still responsible
for paying this thousand dollars plus
forty dollars
but what freaks people out is that these
Securities right here these bonds these
ious are able to be traded on the public
market so you go to like the New York
Stock Exchange and you're able to say
hey you know what look I have this
thousand dollar Bond here and I need
liquidity because I want to buy a boat
and you bring it to the New York Stock
Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange
is like
for that company bro I'll buy it from
you for 700 and because it's a public
market we see that as a fair price for
what you paid you took a 30 haircut
change it somebody else got it at a
newly marked fair value and you walk
away with a 30 discount but you still go
buy your boat because you had enough
anyway
so now all of a sudden what does that
mean when Bloomberg goes and writes a
story well Bloomberg goes to write the
story and it says oh hey we just saw
corporate bonds fall 30 percent
meanwhile you look over here and the
company's like well that didn't affect
us because that was traded on the
secondary Market
and the person you it's like well I
don't care whatever man so I got a
little bit less back but I still got my
boat
so in other words
in my opinion when we're when we're
looking at these these debt reports and
we're looking at something like this
right here outstanding corporate debt
trading at distress levels
who cares to some extent it doesn't
really matter where it's trading it's
just trading at distressed levels
because the bond markets those things
were going into a recession but there
are plenty of people actually buying the
dip on these bonds because they have
this impression that well if we actually
stick a soft Landing these will actually
recover quite well when you go bring
that thousand dollar coupon to the stock
market for you know now you like if you
took a coupon or or a bond for carvana
that was originally a thousand bucks to
the New York Stock Exchange in November
maybe you'd get 10 bucks for it like
they were written down like nothing
now go bring it to the New York Stock
Exchange you might get 800 bucks for it
right like it's massively increased in
value so there's a buy the dip
opportunity in these bonds as well for
companies that just don't end up going
bankrupt somehow end up Surviving so
really just measuring how much de-stress
there is in like corporate bonds it
doesn't really matter the people are
taking advantage of the free market
anyway I mean think about it like you
could have literally said that last year
the stock market went through a 40 level
of de-stress as everything got written
down 20 to 40 right it's the same thing
it's just an instrument that's traded
freely
anyway the rising tide of de-stress is
of course to a certain degree by Design
caught by surprise as inflation has
surged monetary policy makers have been
aggressively draining cash inevitably
this means some companies will fall the
pockets of corporate credit look
particularly vulnerable to the
ballooning debt in the U.S the amount of
high-yield bonds and leverage loans
which are owned by risky or less credit
worthy businesses has more than doubled
from 2008 to 3 trillion dollars in 2021
before the Federal Reserve started its
steepest hikes and over a generation
a lot of those Securities will need to
be repaid in the next few years
contributing to a 785 billion dollar
wall of debt that's coming due
false a lot of the Securities don't have
to be repaid
but that's the thing like if the company
goes bankrupt
then the Securities don't get repaid and
then people like I'll put them in the
company's bankrupt
so maybe it was supposed to go bankrupt
but that means that money doesn't
necessarily have to be repaid
on the other hand
some of those companies will just go
middle finger baby we saw what carvana
did we will do that too or you'll end up
going to Courtney you get you know maybe
a little bit more of a left-leaning
judge who's like hmm even though you
have secured bonds given that some of
those against carvana were deemed
unsecured we'll just assume y'all are
willing to take a negotiated haircut and
prevent the company from going into
bankruptcy via chapter 7 liquidation and
we'll just restructure the company
negotiating even your secure debt down
with a 50 haircut and then boom guess
what you get a judge that's like 785
billion dollar wall of debt is now half
of that
it ain't that big of a deal anymore it's
crazy and I like like every day I I feel
myself sitting here going just
it just can't be there's not enough bad
news to talk about that that must be
good but then on the other hand and what
are we missing because or I look at bad
news it's just not that bad or it ends
up working out I know we got the
Teamsters Union ups and you know
somebody returned drama we still got the
weed issue with Ukraine we've got
China's economy massively slowing down
people like oh don't worry they'll be
war with Taiwan and China I don't see
that happening at all unless they really
want to destroy their economy and really
solidify the fact that they're not going
to be a manufacturing base in the future
there's no way in hell China is going to
go for that uh look they like to hold on
to power but I don't want to give it
either
let's keep going with cooling growth in
China and Europe
the FED expected to continue raising
rates those repayments may be too much
for some businesses to bear in America
alone the pile of troubled bonds and
Loans has already surged over 360
percent since 2021.
if the spread continues it could lead to
the first broad-based cycle of defaults
since the great financial crisis
bring it on man
it's like an elastic band you could get
away with a certain amount of tension
but there will be a point where it snaps
see these these make such good like
clicky arguments uh in in these these
news pieces it's like yes something's
going to destroy and then I'll finally
get my chance to buy cheap real estate
and cheap stocks false
and that's the pisser right I think
there are a lot of people who are like
Kevin I want to buy real estate I want
to buy stocks but I'm looking at them go
what the hell dude I thought socks worse
must be a good deal like because we're
like a recessionary time or whatever and
I thought I was going to be able to get
a chance to buy real estate cheat and I
just can't get anything right that's
that's what a lot of people are very
frustrated about
now I'm not worried for example for the
real estate startup but I I have a very
unique position in that in any Market
we're in I know I could get phenomenal
deals below market value
so it's it's it's absolutely possible
you could do it as well just have to
know what to look for and how to handle
it
instruction Arbitrage
anyway
that's already starting to happen with
120 bankruptcies so far in the us alone
this year how many have you really heard
of anybody talking like crypto
bankruptcies here like companies don't
really matter or are these companies
that have been going Vancouver were like
yeah well we kind of saw that one coming
and even the companies that are filing
bankruptcy aren't necessarily going to
go to liquidation either anyway even so
less than 15 percent of the nearly 600
billion dollars of debt trading at
distressed levels have actually
defaulted bingo exactly look at that
even though that debt is like they just
shot themselves on the foot with the
article at least they're being
transparent here about that but it's
kind of what I was saying earlier with
like who cares if it's trading for a
lower level that doesn't really mean
anything
and now we find out what only 15
of that distressed at is actually not
being fulfilled so going back to this
picture right here uh when you have this
bond from this company in this IOU
default is when they stop paying you
your forty dollars every year
but only 15 percent of companies in this
situation have actually defaulted huh
it's just not that bad okay great
Moody's said the default rate for
speculative great companies worldwide is
expected to hit 5.1 percent next year up
from 3.8 last year
and under the pessimistic scenario oh
okay it could go as high as 13.7 percent
reaching uh exceeding the level reached
during 2008-2009.
the other thing to consider is that
you know this is sort of a flip side
argument I'm not saying it's definitely
not going to be a big deal I'm just
saying so far it's a pretty weak
argument and I get it yeah oh oh under
the most pit under the most pessimistic
scenario you're gonna tempt me by saying
it's gonna be worse than 2008 and 2009.
well first of all that assumes that your
pessimistic scenario is going to be
correct and second of all
is it though because think about it
today
we're in this really weird environment
where the rich really get richer the big
companies make the most money
and so the speculative smaller companies
matter less to the economy than the big
companies do Apple today is way more of
a Goliath than it was in 2008 when they
were releasing the app store for the
iPhone
yeah who here remembers that when I had
the iPhone 1 in 2007 didn't come with an
app store there was no flashlight app
you had to open your stupid camera go to
video
and Press light
at least there was no light sensor to
know if it was like bright or dark so
you could turn the light on even in
bright areas
but anyway I mean Apple was way smaller
2008 it wasn't even an iPad
I mean my children don't even know a
world that didn't have an iPad Pro
so uh you know it was a little we're in
a little bit of a different environment
the economy for one has remained
surprisingly resilient in the face of
high borrowing cost yes yield spreads in
the US junk bond market a key measure of
perceived risk have narrowed since March
huh interesting in other words people
are buying the dip on these junk bonds
so understand that for a moment
people are literally doing this they're
going over here and going oh you're
willing to sell that bomb for a 30
discount on that trash company while
inflation is going down and it looks
like we're trending towards a soft
Landing yes I'll buy that dip and the
more they're buying this dip
the more these bonds actually recover
it's crazy
okay uh because remember the more you
buy and this I know gets confusing so
let me add this in the more people buy
the junk
the lower the yield goes on the junk and
so if quality debt is trading for five
percent let's say and junk debt is
trading for ten percent that's a spread
of 500 basis points right well if a
bunch of people buy the junk and the
yield on the junk goes down to eight
percent
and treasuries on the two years say five
percent now you have a 300 basis point
spread so that's yields compressing okay
cool so the more defaults rise the more
investors and Banks pull back on lending
right well this is like the credit
squeeze argument but so far we're not
seeing that in fact we're seeing like
the opposite more people are buying the
dip on these bonds because they want a
higher yield
especially after carvana it has more
than one point okay who's this all right
here's a the Canary Wharf group who
cares about the Canary Wharf group
who cares literally who cares I mean
listen to this that's Fallen
particularly hard on the Canary Wharf
two buildings owned by Chinese property
developer Chang K Group
or take it over by receivers after loan
payments weren't made and June came more
bad news HSBC said it's planning to
leave by late 2026 who was an occupant
of this Canary Wharf group the developer
whose credit rating has been cut deep
into junk as vacancy rates rise it has
more than 1.4 billion dollars of debt
coming due in 2024 in California 5. who
cares though okay so some Office
Buildings are going bankrupt guess what
the buildings don't call apps
somebody takes a haircut on their debt
the building still has equity in it to
some extent I mean think about it if you
have a hundred million dollar building
and now it's worth 50 million dollars
well the debt on it was probably only
60 million dollars so some bondholder
gets burned by 10 million dollars the
person who loses most is the person or
entity that owned the equity you know
the 100 to 60 part
so they get wiped out who cares Chang
whatever and his Canary Wharf group
dissolve nobody cares like you don't
wake up going oh
the canary wolf group is going bankrupt
wolf group sorry I started watching Game
of Thrones and eldest direwolf talking
is is getting to me but anyway you
nobody cares
and oh no you know the bondholders had
to take a little haircut okay
uh
uh but again they they're not looking at
what is the part of the debt that's
actually a risk they're just saying well
all uh you know 60 million dollars is at
risk even though there's a big Equity
buffer in real estate to where it's
really only the top edge of the debt
that's at risk right let me picture that
just just to draw you a picture here's a
building
it's worth a hundred million dollars
it's got uh 60 million dollars in debt
uh now the value of the building falls
all the way down to 50 million dollars
okay who lost most of the money
well the investor data the original
building owner the equity holder the
equity holder lost all the money the
bondholder only lost 10 billion or 10
million dollars
but Bloomberg's telling you oh no all 60
million dollars is at risk
shut up
it's it's just nonsense anyway continue
on
what else
uh all right the bio machine private
Equity firms have thrived on easy credit
that often left companies deeply
indebted frequently with floating low
rate loans fine uh soured uh PE back
companies account for more than 50
billion dollars of distressed debt KKR
has a distressed portfolio company you
know whatever black zones in here Apollo
Global Management Carlisle Group a lot
of these are Office Buildings who cares
it's the same thing as Global wolf Wharf
I just talked about
uh okay meanwhile raid straw jumped
Brewing troubles one of the biggest U.S
radio station owners audacity has more
than 800 million dollars of debt due
next year and in May the s p slashed the
company's rating into junk
am I gonna wake up tomorrow sad that
audacity isn't here anymore I don't even
know who that is
I'm sure some people will be sad their
radio station isn't there anymore but
guess what then you open the Twitter app
and oh my gosh wow there's plenty of
stuff for you to listen to or YouTube or
whatever uh so again
whatever
so there you go there's there's what is
you know an example of a scary big take
of disaster and hell and the title of a
500 billion Dollar corporate that storm
builds over the global economy
and then you throw some realism in there
and you're like
damn
time to close my shorts now I want you
to know this when it comes to AI
time is what's going to make you money
and if you can prove that value to an
employer you'll always be able to be
employed so this is another way of
making sure that you don't get replaced
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