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THIS is a HUGE WARNING to ALL Investors.

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hey everyone me kevin here this one

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company just gave us a warning to the

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economy and we've got to talk about it

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because it reflects what could be

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happening with the consumer the lending

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company is upstart but not only are we

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going to talk about the disaster that

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just happened with upstart and what they

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said about the consumer and banks which

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is very important we're also going to

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talk about what else is happening in

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spaces related to this especially in

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advertising with youtube channels we'll

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talk about that all in this video but

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first i got to give you a heads up about

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the guidance first they said that they

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would guide 300 million dollars of

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revenue for q2 which they did however

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they just updated us and said oh it

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actually looks like our revenue for q2

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is going to be 24

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lower than that and that serves as a

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really bad warning sign for what we

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could expect for earnings coming up a

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lot of downward revisions see it looks

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like in my opinion at least ceos and

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executives we're still optimistic that

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oh we'll be fine for q2 after a decent

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q1 some headwinds because of omicron but

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overall a decent q1 well now they're

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realizing oh crap wait a minute this is

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bad we saw it with target remember

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target gave us guidance then they're

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like oh no wait this is worse q2 is

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going worse and then that was three

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weeks after earnings so they gave

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earnings they're like everything's great

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three weeks later oh god it's not three

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weeks later oh it's really not and they

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had to revise down again target had to

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revise down their guidance twice after

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giving their first guidance all within

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one quarter like you're seeing sort of a

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that price goes up but let's take a look

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in here okay so what did upstart tell us

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upstart tells us here the following

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first they give us the the new guidance

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they now expect to lose about 30 million

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dollars in the quarter rather than their

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near break even estimate before but this

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right here was very interesting ignore

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all my additional notes there for a

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moment just start right here where my

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laser pointer is

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inflation and recession fears have

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driven interest rates up i mean this

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makes sense that interest rates have

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gone up right and and so the the initial

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thought would be oh okay well maybe the

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consumer is just borrowing less right

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wrong consumers are actually putting

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more money on their credit cards right

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now and this is kind of the argument

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that a firm makes right oh people are

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going to spend more money with a firm

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sure but that doesn't no good if they're

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defaulting at higher rates right but

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listen to this

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and these inflation and recession fears

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have put banks and capital markets on

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cautious footing okay that's a red flag

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that's a red flag our revenue was

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negatively impacted by two factors

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equally first our marketplace funding is

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constrained so let me explain what that

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means

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upstart is a company that does a bunch

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of things they do here i wrote it down

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right here too so you can see it in the

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green box they do

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personal loans car loans wedding loans

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dude if you need a loan for your wedding

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do not have a wedding like

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spend it on a little honeymoon instead

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like weddings are such a freaking rip

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off of an industry anyway home

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improvement loans medical loans moving

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loans moving loans dude

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okay credit card loans debt

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consolidation loans like these most of

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these loans are loans that do appeal to

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a little bit more of a subprime style

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borrower the upstart website says

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they'll give loans to people with a

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credit score as low as 300. i didn't

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even know credit scores went down to

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300. uh you know there is a value

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penguin i don't know if they were

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sponsored to say this but value penguin

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suggested that the average credit score

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start at 700 i don't believe that

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remotely or quite frankly at all but

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whatever so so they're doing these

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personal style loans

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and what they're saying when they say

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our capital markets are constrained is

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what upstart's going to do and this is

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their business model is they give you a

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loan hey here's a 50 000 personal loan

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or a 50 000 wedding loan or whatever

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they're going to take that loan bundle

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it together with let's say 10 other

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people's wedding loans and then slice it

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up and sell that bundle or in the

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individual slices to other investors so

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that way upstart makes the loan they get

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the customer they make the loan they

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take money and fees for making the loan

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they take some kind of fee for actually

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creating this product for institutional

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businesses and then institutions come in

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and they swoop up these loans that's the

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market that buys loans so think of loans

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as the product and this is why in their

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statement they're still trying to brag

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about how good their returns have been

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in 2020 and how good they've been in

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2021 and how we think we're going to

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target returns in excess of 10 percent

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for for people who basically take our

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crappy loans

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but the banks and capital markets are

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like yeah you know what going into a

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recession we don't really want your

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crappy loans we are gonna take a little

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bit of a step back so this is actually

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nothing about the consumer saying that

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the consumer doesn't want to borrow it's

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saying that banks are starting to go

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yeah no we we don't want those risky

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loans anymore that's a danger but not

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only are banks saying it

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upstart themselves

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are doing it listen to this

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so the first concern was the capital

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markets are constrained but listen to

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this the second concern is we took

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action to convert loans on our balance

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sheet into cash okay when you

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uh have a loan that somebody owes you so

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for example

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let me put it this way let's say you

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lent me 50 000

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on your balance sheet you have a loan

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that says kevin owes me fifty thousand

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dollars well if we go into a recession

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and you're like you know i'd rather have

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that cash you might take that loan and

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go to uh you know strong man personal

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finance and go yo hey strongman uh i'll

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sell you kevin's loan for 45k i just

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really need the cash right now strongman

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might be like dude man we're going to

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recession no thanks but

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strong man uh or or rather the you you

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might be trying to raise that cash

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because you don't want these loans in

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this kind of environment you want cash

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you want to raise money and so the fact

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that upstart is telling us that not only

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are banks capital constrained or

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unwilling to give

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you know to buy out these loans

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basically but the fact that upstart is

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trying to raise cash and they're losing

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money in other words of course they have

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to raise raise cash this makes sense you

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start seeing cracks this is the first

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quarter that upstart is going to lose

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money since their ipo their stock has

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absolutely plummeted you don't want to

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be in lending companies you don't want

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to be in a firm during a recession right

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just wait for defaults and allowance for

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doubtful accounts to skyrocket i think

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the banks are still going to get tagged

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holding on to a lot of loans especially

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companies like a firm

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so this this is a potential liquidity

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danger now something that you can do is

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you can look at upstarts quarter one

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reports the quarter one results and what

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i would recommend doing and this is

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something that we regularly do in our

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course member live streams it's so so

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important to do is you have to look at

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the balance sheets of these companies

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you have to understand that every single

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quarter like you can't just do a

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fundamental analysis two years ago and

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then never look at these balance sheets

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again you've got to get into the habit

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of being able to pull these cash flow

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statements up quickly and being able to

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know exactly what to look for and this

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is one of the big things that i instill

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in my course members is like we must

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teach you how to fish we must do that

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together and then that way everybody can

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make their own opinions and judgments of

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a company so let's look at their

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statement of cash flows from the last

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time and you know what let's actually

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start with even their balance sheet

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because if we jump on over to the

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balance sheet we can see if they have

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risks of potential bankruptcy coming up

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right so in the first quarter of 2022

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and usually a company that just ipo'd

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isn't even close to going bankrupt but

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anyway

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they had let's see here loans see right

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here on their balance sheet look at that

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they got fat

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600 million dollars worth of loans on

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their balance sheet

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that's almost double what they had at

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the end of last year no wonder they want

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to convert that into cash because they

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have less cash now than they did so they

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have with restricted cash they have

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about one billion dollars

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of cash at the end of the first quarter

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they have liabilities

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of

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borrowings oh wow they've borrowed about

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770 million dollars they've got payables

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here of 140

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so 140 plus 770

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that works out to debt of about 910

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million dollars they've got accounts

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payable that brings them to 920. i'm not

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going to

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consider the lease because that's more

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of an operating expense these recruit

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expenses that's fine that's more

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operating

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i mean i want to know what borrowings

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are because that's a lot of money 900 i

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mean basically if you look at that way

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if they have a billion dollars of cash

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minus

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watch this okay billion dollars of cash

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minus 920 million dollars of liabilities

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that they have to pay soon that works

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out to 80 million dollars of cash but

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they're about to lose 30 mil dude

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they've only got a couple quarters of

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cash left they have to raise money this

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is why they're now flooding the market

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with their crappy loans that they're

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trying to get rid of because they're

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like

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oh god the writing is on the wall uh

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this is going to be the first recession

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that upstart has ever gone through and

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we need to be prepared because maybe

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right now

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he's just not prepared okay that's a

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problem now it is possible that i'm not

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properly understanding what the 700

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million dollars of borrowings are we're

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i'm doing this sort of on the fly here

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with you

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uh and and the goal of doing this is

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just to show you these are the ways that

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we want to be thinking when we're kind

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of going through a fundamental analysis

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right and so what we can do to learn up

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a little bit more is we can go to the

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annual report here and let's see if we

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can go to the annual report if we scroll

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on over to where they discuss their

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balance sheet now looking at the

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company's cash flow statement which is

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something that i teach in our

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fundamental analysis lectures every day

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we do a fundamental analysis in the

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course member live stream we can see

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that they have about a billion dollars

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of cash and about 200 million dollars of

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really current liabilities the reason

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we're not going to use the full 770

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million of borrowings here to offset

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their cash is because 661

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million dollars of that is actually the

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convertible senior notes that they

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issued to investors these have like a

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call price of like 280 dollars for the

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share price so investors aren't going to

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be converting these into shares anytime

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soon and these are 20 26 notes so uh the

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odds are this is not like a bill that's

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coming due anytime soon that's certainly

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not a current liability so really in

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terms of near-term capitalization risk i

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think the most important thing that

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upstart can do is make sure that they

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limit

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the amount of these loans at fair value

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they have on their books because if this

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really starts plummeting it's going to

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affect their ability to get cash or

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borrow on their wholesale line of credit

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so well most importantly though that the

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big message from this press release is

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that hey like lending markets are

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starting to tighten up and even though

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they say here like hey despite the

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tumultuous economy upstart powered loans

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have performed exceptionally well since

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2018 sure but we've been in a bull run

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since 2018. this is their forecast for

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defaults they actually forecast that

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defaults are going to go down uh in in

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the latter half of the year i don't know

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about that and that's what they tell us

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i don't know i don't really believe it

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now i do want to give you an update as

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well about advertisements uh and no i'm

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not talking about the course member

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the uh sort of advertisements in general

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for for sponsorships

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and uh what we're seeing in the youtube

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community so for the last three months

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i've been warning that i think we're

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going to see advertising slow down

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because now we don't just have high

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inventory issues which usually

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correlates with more advertising we

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actually have recessionary fears which

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generally correlates with less

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advertising

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and i had mentioned for the last three

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months especially to other creators be

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careful get ready prepare we're going to

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see a decline in advertisements so to be

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transparent like last month we did a

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whole lot of ads because we didn't think

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they would be around much longer and

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we're already starting to see some of

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those signs companies that were

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sponsoring last month are saying hey

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we're just pulling out of the creator

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sponsorship community in general for

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right now until we assess what's going

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on with markets uh so it's not a

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surprise but that's just a warning sign

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that companies are trying to

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pull or you know rein in their spending

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and what happens when one person spends

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less money

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one person's uh you know velocity of

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money that means they're five dollars

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less circulating through the economy by

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the velocity of money right so this is

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this is how you create a recession like

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all the signs are here for this that's

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not to say that like oh this is like

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massively funny or whatever or that we

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shouldn't be considering buying the dip

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or whatever

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it's just a warning that you should have

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cash and you should be out of margin

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go buy deals but don't expect 2022 to be

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an easy ride whatsoever and upstart is

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giving us a very clear warning about

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this and that's why folks they're down

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what are they down today they are down

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21 upstart is down to 26

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folks they issued those convertible

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bonds and i think it was 281 dollars

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anyway thanks for watching check out the

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thanks bye

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