The Credit Crisis is Beginning.
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There is talk about a 30 to 50% crash in
stocks in addition to terribly brewing
risks and enlarging risk in the private
credit market that nobody is paying
attention to today. I'm going to break
down both of these takes because right
now things don't seem that bearish. In
fact, think about it. We've got taco
going on or as Robbo Bank is now calling
Zako. That's because Xiinping always
chickens out as well. Apparently, you've
got Donald Trump likely tacoing. He's
already extending the trade deal with
Mexico. Uh my son just handed me a
trillion dollar credit card uh because
he says money is basically worthless. So
now he's giving me a credit card
denominated in trillions of dollars. And
we uh it's bad. You know what's bad?
when your seven-year-old says money is
basically worthless. I'm like, "Hey,
I'll pay you uh you know, to do this
chore." And he's like, "Well, you know,
am I going to get paid in cash?" Cuz cuz
that's basically worthless. Yeah. He
wants to be paid in other ways. He wants
real assets. [laughter] He's going to
start demanding Bitcoin or gold here or
deeds to real estate. But uh but anyway,
uh so you know, you've got the Zaco or
the taco going on this Thursday. You've
got the Fed setting up for a rate cut on
Wednesday with potentially or likely the
end of quantitative tightening. Uh but
then you've also got these fears about a
credit crisis. And that's actually where
I want to start right now is there's
this op ed uh that's written by this
private credit attorney. I I wanted to
check to see if they were like a hedge
fund or something shortening the market
or whatever because they seem pretty
bearish. But anyway, it's apparently
this private credit attorney and he says
that lenders are quietly rewriting their
collateral rules. And so basically what
he does is he goes in and says
everything looks great uh at the
headline. Like it looks like deal values
are skyrocketing. You're seeing more
credit deals being done. Earnings are
beating at banks. Credit spreads are
tight. Everything's Gucci, right? And he
says not so fast. What happened
historically in like the dot bubble and
in 2008 is that quote sophisticated
investors
start seeing warning signs and some of
them start quote fortifying against a
downturn. Not all of them because there
are also a lot right now that get
blindsided by these, you know, credit
blowups like what we saw at Tricoler or
First Brands where they're like, "Wait,
what? Those assets weren't really as
high quality as we thought, but the
rating agencies say they were worth a
AAA rating. Oh my gosh, what? The rating
agencies lied again? What? Wait, you
mean somebody who's financing the very
auditors who are covering up the fraud
might be pulling out credit default
swaps against the potential default of
these debts. What? By the way, exactly
what just happened with First Brands.
The auditor for First Brands had a bunch
of financing from Apollo. Apollo sees
that, you know, the auditor somehow they
get their hands on financials. Oh yeah,
come invest this or whatever. These are
toxic. And then they take out credit
default swaps against the bankruptcy of
first brands, which happens to happen,
which happens to be audited by the
company they lend money to. Certainly
makes you scratch your head a little bit
and go, hm, seems a little shady, but
whatever. Somebody always knows. And
that's the thing. Not everybody does,
but that's what makes it scary. And this
attorney is suggesting that lenders are
starting to actually change some of the
covenants, which are basically the rules
or the conditions of their loans, to be
a lot more stringent. They say that
lenders are quote actively preparing for
what happens when bankruptcy is
inevitable. In other words, they're no
longer trying to prevent borrowers from
going into bankruptcy. They're basically
saying, "We're now switching our credit
covenants from, forget about you going
bankrupt. We actually just want to be
first in line with what are called lean
protections." And this credit attorney
says, "These lean protections are now
skyrocketing." He says, "This happened
in 2007. This happened in the dot
bubble. Don't confuse the headlines that
nobody like that there are no credit
risks or that the credit risks are just
idiosyncratic and all that stuff." says,
"Don't actually believe that stuff."
Now, I don't know, maybe this guy's
unnecessarily bearish. But it's very
interesting because he's like, "Look,
Wall Street's public narrative is the
economy is resilient, inflation is
cooling, credit uh consumer credit
remains stable." That may all be true on
the surface, but the legal architecture
of credit markets tells a different
story. When lenders quietly rewrite the
rules of engagement or demand all for
one consent before lean subordination,
basically a simple way of saying, "Hey,
uh, if you go bankrupt, I want first
dibs." It signals a system stealing
itself for impact, hardening itself for
impact. The foundations of credit
protections are shifting fast. When it
happens, it is never an accident. It's
the market whispering what the headlines
have not caught up to yet. The next
phase of the credit cycle may have
already begun.
Okay, that's an eerie way to finish an
op-ed, mostly because it's also eerie
that Jerome Powell told us in his last
meeting that maybe the normalization of
the beverage curve has already begun.
That's like almost the same exact line,
which is kind of scary because remember
the beaver curve, beverage curve,
whatever is basically when layoffs
spike, the unemployment rate skyrockets
really, really fast because you're
supposed to have a normal downward
sloping curve, but we're in a place
that's way off to the side on the curve
because job openings are really, really
low, which means the unemployment rate
should be high. because it's not implies
that as soon as we get layoffs, we
skyrocket on the unemployment curve and
and the unemployment rate skyrockets,
which Amazon just laid off
30,000 folks. We saw the target layoffs.
We've seen the other, you know, we've
seen a lot of layoffs and we expect a
lot more of them to come. This is why
Jerome Powell warns that we may just be
at the beginning of them. Now, I mean,
here was a comment that I just saw on my
Amazon layoff video. If you haven't
watched it yet, it's a really good
video. Uh, I think there's a lot of
detail on this. The 30,000 Amazon job
cuts are just an early warning, I wrote.
And somebody here wrote, "It's crazy
because my wife just got fired. Never
told her why or even gave her an email.
She just woke up and was no longer an
Amazon worker. It's crazy how they just
cut us from jobs and treat us like toys
they are tired of using." Uh, and then
somebody else uh, you know, write writes
here, "What happens when all these
companies fire everyone for AI and
nobody has money to purchase their their
products?" Which is fair. This is
actually a really good point. And that's
where we talked about uh game theory.
And so I'm going to pull up the little
game theory we did because I think it's
really interesting and it kind of
relates to this credit market stress
because the credit market stress is
really just banks and lenders starting
to go, "Oh my god, we might have been
lied to by these credit agencies."
Again, double check the books. Get
things ready. If nothing breaks, fine.
We got protected. But if poop hits the
fan, we don't want to be the last one
off the ship, so to speak, right? That's
the same game theory that goes into
laying off people. I hate to say it, but
understand this. If you have if you
spend a dollar uh at Amazon, Amazon gets
about 10 cents. Okay? If Amazon cuts a
dollar of expenses, they replace 10 of
my dollars, right? Because if I spend
$10, Amazon nets a dollar. Or if they
cut a dollar, they also net a dollar,
right? So cutting a dollar is like
getting $10 worth of revenue. So cutting
a dollar is huge for their bottom line.
They like cutting a dollar. But then you
also have to understand the game theory
of this because understand this. If you
have two companies, we game theory this
out. If you have two companies and both
companies do not cut and the economy
keeps going, then what ends up happening
is margin compresses at both of these
companies through typical capitalistic
deflation or disinflation. Uh, and you
kind of split the upside, you know, so
Amazon gets a little bit of a benefit,
another company gets a little upside,
great. If instead you have let's say
company Amazon that cuts workers and
company B let's say I don't know
Microsoft or whomever else does not cut
workers then Amazon's margins might go
up where the other ones doesn't the
other company's margins don't go up
right and so one company could get go up
and get more recession resilience and
appear stronger in the good times but
also be stronger in the bad times so
therefore company B is actually
incentivized to cut and so from a game
theory point of view as a company, you
should almost always cut because you're
going to save so much money. You're
saving $10 basically of revenue by
cutting $1 of profit at Amazon because
their margins are about 10%. It's going
to be different obviously at different
companies. You know, Microsoft has
higher margins, right? Uh and then of
course you don't want to affect growth.
That's why Amazon's cutting at human
resources and not at their growth
drivers. But anyway, the point is the
default scenario here is if you can cut
without affecting growth, the default
game theory is you should do it because
it protects you in the event of a
recession and it makes you more
competitive or at least equally
competitive to the company B, right? And
then that's where we said like for every
$1 of Amazon uh every every $1 of salary
Amazon cuts, that's basically $10 of
revenue. And how much of that $1 of
salary is actually going to go back to
Amazon? Maybe 5 to eight cents of every
dollar, right? So it would take them
somewhere around a hundredx basically.
They'd have to make like $100 or they'd
have to lose $100 of revenue to even
make a difference to what they're
cutting in salaries because that
specific salary isn't purely going to go
back to Amazon entirely anyway. And even
if it did, there's a 10x multiple, even
if a 100% of all that salary went back,
which none of that really matters. Like,
just skip to the bottom line on all of
that. The point is, if a company can cut
without affecting growth, they're going
to do it in this economy. So, now try to
put these pieces of the puzzle together
for a moment. You've got uh a few things
going on. Let's write this down right
here. Number one, really bullish
catalyst, a new Fed chair coming in May.
Bullish May. We've got rate cuts. Okay,
that's bullish October through December.
We've got the end of quantitative
tightening. That's bullish October.
We've got Taco, that's bullish. Now,
this is a euphoric or the start uh this
is either euphoria or the start of
euphoria. Like everything's great,
right? But underneath the surface, you
have those private credit concerns and
then that labor market. That's it. And
so it sounds like companies are starting
to prepare, at least on the credit side,
for a potential rollover in those
private credit markets. And that's where
you're also starting to see some quote
strains in the funding market. Now, this
is really interesting. The New York
Times was just talking about this, but
not only was the New York Times talking
about this, you've got a lot of
institutions now talking about the the
FOMC basically being clueless because of
these spikes or dislocations in the uh
SOFR market. This is the sofur market.
This is the secured overnight uh funding
rate uh market. basically the the
overnight market for cash. Hedge funds,
banks, they go there uh they could uh
you know pay off debts and borrow money
or whatever to cover bills or whatever
in an overnight basis. It for a normal
human being like a normal you and me
this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't
matter. Like we don't borrow overnight.
This is crazy. But these massive
institutions they do because even you
know five bips on a billion dollars is a
big deal. You know it it pays for
people's salaries. So, it makes sense to
have humans move this money around. The
problem is when these numbers go up,
like when this chart goes up, it means
there's less cash available. That's why
they write over here, "This part's
stable. This is a mess." Okay. How do
you know the Fed has gone too far with
cutting uh the size of their balance
sheet? When you start getting this kind
of mess, that's why Jerome Powell a
couple weeks ago comes out and is like,
"Bro, we have a problem here. We may
have gone too far. It's time to maybe
stop. we need to turn the vacuum cleaner
off. Now, the uh uh bear trap report,
that's what this is called, they say the
Fed actually being late could be one of
the factors uh that ends up hurting
our bull thesis. But in addition to the
Fed being too late, private credit
deteriorating could lead this $1.3
trillion private credit industry to cut
exposure, take losses, default on loans,
and cause a cascade through high yield
bank loans and credits. See, a lot of
people think that, oh, it's not going to
be banks that get hurt. It's just going
to end up being private credit markets.
It doesn't matter the credit crisis.
private credit will just get hurt. It'll
be individual companies that'll go
bankrupt. Nobody else. Yeah. Doesn't
really work that way because what we
just saw with Tricoler and First Brands
was investment banks which technically
aren't banks but big investment firms
which have big public stocks which
affect the entire uh uh you know
financial system for stocks tanked. UBS
and Jeff got hit very hard. But it
wasn't just them with exposure. It was
also companies like JP Morgan. They had
to lick their wounds on like $170
million of losses. There were also banks
out of Japan that had to lick their
wounds on billions of dollars of losses
because of just those two small
companies, you know, relative to the
whole financial system going to put. So
then it sort of makes you start
scratching your head, go crap, if that
private credit market rolls over, it is
a big deal. So from a game theory point
of view, private credit wants to
insulate and companies want to insulate.
So to me, those firings and this sort of
tightening in the private credit market,
they're more like little early warning
signs that people are kind of putting
blankets around themselves, like get
ready for the winter. Winter is coming.
People are starting to hoard blankets.
And it's kind of like we're in summer
right now. We're in we're in late summer
and everybody's kind of partying with
their bathing suits or whatever. And
that's great. But what happens
uh when all of a sudden the cold front
comes in and people didn't get prepared?
Well, that's when we start getting
nervous about where we sit with margin
debt today. I mean, if you go to FINRA
margin statistics, it's scary. We've
never seen margin this high before. $1.1
trillion in margin debt. And it frankly,
this is the highest level we have ever
seen. Like, if you go back to historic
data and you download these
spreadsheets, you could go all the way
back to 2021. We didn't see a trillion
dollars of margin debt. We were in the
900 billion range. But markets usually
always top out when margin tops out.
That doesn't mean that we're about to
top out soon. Remember, I mean, look at
the catalyst. We do have bullish
catalysts ahead of us. You know, this is
the kind of stuff that we we plan for in
the Meet Kevin report in the Alpha
Report every day. We talk about short,
medium, and long-term catalysts. And we
try to position, you know, 10-year
stocks versus like two-month stocks or
day trade stocks, right? We try to be
very clear with the difference between
those. Well, you've got to evaluate that
right now we're running high on all
these bullish catalysts. It makes you
wonder, okay, like how much of the Fed
cutting or how much of the Fed pausing
the vacuum cleaner is already priced in.
How much taco or Zaco or Euphoria is
already priced in? The market's killing
it right now. You know, we broke my 615
price target, which I had on the cues,
which is awesome. you know, Tesla jumped
right off 414 and now off 443 uh 433
rather uh which we talked about also in
our alpha reports both of those lines.
Uh so it's a it's a remarkable
environment for risk and it seems like
the Fed cutting is just going to keep
introducing more risk onism and it's
true. The question is when it rolls it
tends to roll fast. It's just when does
that happen? And that's where all we
could do right now is look at some of
the early warning signs and be prepared
that hey, you know, either, you know,
you start limiting some debt or you
diversify. I know a lot of pe I think
that's one of the reasons uh we're
seeing such a surge in funding at house
hack uh and reinvest same company is
people are are wanting to diversify. But
anyway, uh you have warning signs
flashing in financial markets about
worries that the Fed waited too long.
And this has to do with the plumbing of
the financial system, the spike in the
sofur rates. Uh how, you know, the Fed
never design defined what ample reserves
are. And even though they wanted to get
back to ample reserves because they
never defined it, they might have
actually inadvertently set up for an
oopsie-doopsy crisis. And so now the
goal is, hey, they should stop vacuum
cleaning and stop creating the risks
because they could end up creating a
severe market disruption. And so once
you have people starting to hoard cash
and the financing stops and the the
party stops, that's where you're going
to have a big problem. That's why now
you're seeing big bets that we're going
to see
QT basically come to an end on
Wednesday. Now again, so far on the
surface, things seem very calm. The 102
yield spread on the China talk, uh, it
literally just fell below 50, which is
great. It still puts us really close to
shockprone, but we just didn't get a a
real shock. You can see we never really
broke out of 50 to 60, which is kind of
bullish. I mean, that's sort of like
what you saw in the 1995 soft landing.
And I have to say so much of this feels
very eerily similar to what you saw in
2011 where everybody was worried about a
double dip recession that never ended up
coming. But there are serious concerns
inside the market that hey at the very
least pay attention to the risks rather
than try to, you know, ignore the risks.
And I always think it's entertaining
because when I talk about people
ignoring the risks, I see things uh like
I I see what I call pretty wild
rationalizations. Like here's basically
a person saying, "Oh, well, we're going
to have a productivity boom with all
this AI." Okay, that is in my opinion a
very generic argument. Everybody makes
the argument that, oh well, productivity
will boom. Sure. But does that mean net
outcomes are going to go higher?
Productivity poor worker may go up, but
does that mean net economic output will
go up? Not necessarily. See, for
example, I say like I always make this
example. Let's say in a market you have
1,000 trust documents that need to be
made in a certain zip code. Okay? An
attorney without AI can do 10 of those
trust documents per week. So to do all
1,000 in a week, you would need 100 uh
you would need 10 times you would need
Yeah. You would need a 100 attorneys
each doing 10, right? Uh that would be a
thousand trust documents that you
completed. Well, if with AI, an attorney
can now do a 100 trust documents, now
you don't need a 100 attorneys anymore.
You only need 10. You're still producing
1,000 trust documents. So, even though
each of the 10 attorneys with AI can be
so much more productive, the real
question is, do you need that many more
trust documents? If you only need a
thousand trust documents, just because
the economy is booming doesn't mean all
of a sudden you need 10 times as many
trust documents. You don't all of a
sudden need 10,000 trust documents. the
time it takes to actually put those
other people to work who lose their
jobs, that could take decades to
actually net net increase the amount of
economic aggregate demand for people to
fulfill those services in. So that's the
problem. So the productivity argument is
an oversimplification. Yes, on net each
individual human can be more productive,
but does that mean there's more work to
do? No. That's why Amazon and Target are
firing people in human resources because
we could get the same work done with
fewer people. It's not because they're
trying to be evil. It's because they
don't need the people anymore because of
AI. And that's unfortunate. Like for
this person's, you know, wife or
whatever who who got fired here. Uh this
is terrible. And it it all it does is
increase the wealth gap. And I'm not
here to shill for these large companies.
I actually think I was put on this earth
to help you say to yourself, okay, maybe
you're killing it in the stock market or
you're tempted to buy at all-time highs.
And my argument is, look, if you got
debt,
just think about paying down a little
bit. Make yourself resilient to that
recession. Pay down margin, pay down
credit cards. If you got a 6 or 7%
personal loan or higher or mortgage,
there's no harm in paying down a little
bit. You could all the only harm is
FOMO, but you never go bankrupt
protecting yourself, right? You'll only
go bankrupt not protecting yourself. Uh,
and that's where I think like that
Warren Buffett quote comes in where the
hardest part I think it was actually in
this article. Uh, the hardest part is
sitting around and doing nothing.
Where was it? I can't remember where it
was, but basically there was this this
article uh and they quoted Oh, here it
is. Here it is. Especially for a young
guy. There, I found it. Larry, as a
young man, testosterone is your greatest
enemy. The hardest thing to do is stare
at the screen all day and do nothing.
It's all in the waiting.
Charlie Mer 2012.
Waiting. [laughter]
Kind of interesting. And I personally
think that credit attorney guy,
it doesn't surprise me. Like I'm not
reading this credit uh attorney's
article going, "Oh my gosh, this is the
it to me it's like I saw this coming."
Well, like when we heard aboutricolor
and first brands, if you go back to
watch my videos, I'm not like making
this up in the past. You go back and
watch my videos. I said the biggest risk
now is that all these companies start
going crap, we need to take a second
look at our lending guidelines. And then
what happens is you get a Nike swoosh
that turns to euphoria, right? The Nike
swoosh goes into the euphoric cliff.
That's the part you have to be scared
about, the euphoric cliff. Uh, and so,
you know, these strains we're starting
to see now, they say we're at a turning
point. Can we possibly get through it
where everybody insulates and the party
keeps going? Of course. But there is
cause for caution in this market. And I
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know, whatever you want to call it.
Anyway, um so some thoughts there, but a
little scary I will say on private
credit.
>> Why not advertise these things that you
told us here? I feel like nobody else
knows about this.
>> We'll we'll try a little advertising and
see how it goes.
>> Congratulations, man. You have [music]
done so much. People love you. People
look up to you.
>> Kevin Praath there, financial analyst
and YouTuber. Meet Kevin. Always great
to get [music] your take.
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