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Mehdi Hasan vs. ‘Professor’ Jiang

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Some have called you China's

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Nostradamus. You had three famous

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predictions in 2024. That Trump would

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get elected, that he would start a war

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with Iran, and that he would lose a war

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with Iran. Iran clearly has they should

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take advantage. I think the next step in

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the escalation ladder is that Trump will

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send in ground forces.

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>> Nikki Haley was key to your prediction

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about Iran. You said Trump would pick

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her as his running mate, but he didn't

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pick her. I think that the problem with

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education is that it focuses too much on

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facts, too much on rigor, and not enough

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on imagination

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>> on facts. Do you hear yourself? Does

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China control what you say? Now, your

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critics might say they're using you as a

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propagandist.

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>> It is possible I'm a useful idiot. And I

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suspect that there are many entities

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around the world who would like to

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amplify my message, including the

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Chinese government.

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>> Hold on. Hold on. You don't call

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yourself Professor Giang on your YouTube

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channel? I do now, but when I first

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started out, if you go way back to my

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>> Doesn't matter when you first started

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out. You do call yourself Professor Jag

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and you're not a professor. What is your

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big prediction now for 2026? We'll see

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what happens. We can test it out at the

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end of the year.

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>> Back in 2024, Chinese Canadian educator

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Jiang posted a video on his YouTube

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channel, Predictive History, where he

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laid out three big predictions. Donald

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Trump would win the 2024 election. The

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US would then go to war with Iran and

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ultimately the US would lose that war.

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Since then, the self-styled professor

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who says he uses game theory to analyze

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the past and predict future geopolitical

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events has become an internet sensation

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and has even been dubbed China's

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Nostradamus. But he's also faced some

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criticisms over his predictions and many

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would say pretty out there conspiracy

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theories. Two out of three of Jiang's

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big predictions have come true. But how

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much of that is his own geopolitical

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foresight? And how much of it simply

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comes down to luck? How much does the

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Chinese government control or even

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influence what he says, what he

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predicts? I decided to not just speak to

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Shuin Jang aka Professor Jiang about

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Iran and the state of the world, but

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also to challenge him a bit. Here's our

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interview.

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Chin Jiang, thank you so much for

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joining me on Zateo. Um, you have said

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you use game theory to predict future

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geopolitical events. For those who have

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never heard of game theory, please do

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explain what it is and how it helps you

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explain what's happening with Donald

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Trump and with Iran in particular.

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>> Right. So game theory applied to

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geopolitics means that we see each

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individual nation state as a player in a

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zero sum game to maximize um its uh

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individual interests. And so each player

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would have its own characteristics, its

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own strengths and it would adopt a OCM

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strategy in order to win the zero sum

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game. So how does that apply in the

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Middle East right now?

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>> Right. So um United States is attacking

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Iran and these two nation states have

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different strengths and weaknesses. So

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America has um the world's greatest

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military. It has a supremacy. It it has

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tremendous technology. um and has

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unlimited funding. And so Iran is

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adopting an asymmetrical strategy of um

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holding the global economy hostage

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meaning that rather than attack the

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United States directly which he cannot

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defeat directly it is instead um

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controlling humus which is strangling

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the global economy and it's attacking

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the GCC nations um the infrastructure of

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the GCC nations in order to force Trump

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into the negotiating table. So that is

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the atmal warfare of Iran.

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>> Uh you've also predicted that the US you

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had three famous predictions in 2024

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that Trump would get elected that he

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would start a war with Iran and that he

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would lose a war with Iran. Based on

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what you've seen over the past month, do

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you still stand by that prediction?

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>> Yes, I do. Um I think that after a month

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I think that um Iran clearly has the

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strateic advantage. What I mean by that

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is that Iran is very clearly able to

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articulate its uh military objectives

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and it has a very clear strategy of how

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to obtain these military objectives and

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it is working uh very hard and very

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meticulously to obtain these objectives.

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This is complete opposite of America

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where Trump has failed to articulate an

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end goal. Um, and right now it seems

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that the administration, the Trump

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administration,

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um, is unable to articulate both a

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strategy and a purpose to the American

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public, which is causing, um, most

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Americans not support this war. It's

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also causing low uh, soldier morale

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among the American forces.

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>> What do you think happens next if slash

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when Iran wins?

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>> Right. So um even though Iran has the

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advantage right now, we still have to

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remember that America is the world's

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greatest empire. It has a lot of

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resources. It has a lot of uh firepower

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still not used. So um um I think the

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next step in the escalation ladder is

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that Trump will send in ground forces.

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So over 5,000 Marines uh and soldiers

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have been dispatched to the Middle East.

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This is already on top of the 50,000

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American soldiers already stationed in

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the Middle East and most military

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analysts expect that um uh the Americans

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will launch an amphibious assault in

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order to control the sh of hummus. Now

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there are several options available to

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Americans um in order to control the sh

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of Hummus. Uh the first option is to

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control Kar Island which is the oil

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depart of the Iranians. 90% of uh

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Iranians oil exports um depart from Kark

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Island. Then you have Kasim Island which

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is opposite the um sh of Homus and then

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there's a naval base uh further down the

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coastline. And so these are the three

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options uh that the Americans have and

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it is unclear which option the Americans

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will ultimately choose. Um but given the

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track record of the Marines, we can

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expect uh the Marines to have an early

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success. The problem with the strategy

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and the problem with America's overall

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strategy is what happens next? How do

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you maintain control over the territory

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that you've claimed? The reality is that

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the Iranians have been preparing this

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battle for about 20 years. They

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developed this um very effective

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asymmetrical warfare strategy of using

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drones and ballistic missiles from afar

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uh hidden in underground bases to um uh

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hit and strike uh American assets around

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the Middle East. This is almost like

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guerrilla warfare and historically um a

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imperial power has had great

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difficulties in containing guerrilla

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warfare. So, unfortunately, the uh

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Americans don't have a long-term

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strategy of how to win this war. Trump

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is still hoping for a quick strike, a

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knockout punch. Um, and he believes that

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the American Marines can deliver this

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>> You uh have made a lot of predictions.

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Um some have called you China's

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Nostradamus. How would you respond to

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those who say, "Sure, you guessed that

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Trump would win in 2024 and he'd go to

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war with Iran." But that wasn't based on

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geopolitical insights or game theory. Uh

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people who follow American politics or

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world politics could have guessed that.

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I think I and many others were warning

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that Trump could win in 2024 and that he

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would escalate with Iran as he did in

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