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Impact of BoC rate hold on the Canadian housing market

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The Bank of Canada has decided to hold

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interest rates again, keeping borrowers,

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homeowners, and buyers watching closely

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for what comes next. With affordability

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still a major issue and many Canadians

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waiting for clearer signals when it

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comes to mortgages,

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the big question is, so what does this

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mean for the housing market going

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forward? For more on this, we're joined

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by Daniel Fosh, chief Fosh chief real

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estate officer with valerie.ca. Daniel,

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thank you very much for joining us.

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Thanks for having me. Happy to be here.

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Uh does this change anything for home

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buyers right now?

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Uh I don't think it does. Like I mean,

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materially, obviously, their rates that

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they're buying with don't really go

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down. Most borrowers aren't really using

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the variable rate right now. They're

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using the Canada 5-year or the the

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5-year mortgage, which fixed mortgage,

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which is derived from the Canada 5-year

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bond yield. Then the bond market has

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been a little bit volatile, rates kind

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of going up a little bit on that side.

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So, the Bank of Canada doesn't really

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have a ton of control over what's

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happening in in the market at this

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moment in time, I would say. Um so, I

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don't I don't know if it really

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materially changes anything. And um it

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must be really hard to decide for people

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decide what to do because we we one

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moment we hear there might be a cut,

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then we hear there might be two, maybe

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three rate hikes. Uh how are you

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approaching that those possibilities?

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Uh honestly, I I think that as it stands

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right now, and the Bank of Canada sort

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of communicated this, they are waiting

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for uh more clarity on on the impacts of

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I think trade war is kind of been set

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aside right now on the the ongoing

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conflict obviously in Iran. And I think,

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you know, historically, oil prices can

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be sort of unpredictable in the way that

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it impacts the market. You can either

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have this huge spike in inflation that

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leads to demand destruction, and that

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causes a recession and rates need to

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come down to stimulate the economy,

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um or it can be kind of stickier

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inflation and actually cause rates to

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need to come up in the near term. And I

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think that they're sort of waiting to

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see which outcome we're dealing with. I

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think history would say you you sort of

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seen more recession outcomes than sticky

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inflation outcomes, but I don't think

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they're in a hurry to make a move until

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we actually have results, and we need a

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couple of months worth of what's

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happening to job numbers, what's

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happening to inflation, etc., before I

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think they can make a call on it. And

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with all that

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uh uncertainty, are a lot of people just

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sitting on the sidelines if you if

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they're looking to buy?

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I would say like more than ever. I so

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far year-to-date, our numbers from

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Canadian Real Estate Association and the

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Toronto numbers uh were worse than last

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year, and last year was one of the worst

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real estate markets that we've seen in

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Canadian history. And so,

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it seems like, you know, there's the

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economic uncertainty, there's the job

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impact, there's the, you know, the um

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the knock-on effects on inflation and

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constricting household finances. People

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seem concerned, and rightly so, and

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they're not going to rush into a major

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household financial investment like

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buying a home until they have some

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clarity on the direction that they can

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expect the economy to go. And that must

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be putting pressure then on sellers,

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too.

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For sure. I mean, it's interesting

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because sellers have sort of

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they weren't trying as hard we're not

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we're not seeing much supply so far this

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year as we did last year, so sellers

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aren't trying as hard to get their homes

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sold as they were last year. The sellers

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who, you know, wanted want to get a

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transaction, they have to come down and

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meet the market where it is. Um you

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know, the other part is new homes,

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right? New homes basically just went

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down like 10% in value as a result of

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HST being erased, and that's a factor

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because that competes with your resale

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supply. So, I think the market in in the

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spring market of this year is going to

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be very dynamic, and and it definitely

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is putting downward pressure on on

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equity for for homeowners and sellers.

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And and for people who are selling, a

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lot of people have mortgages coming up,

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and so this

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I I I think everybody's feeling the

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pressure right now, but what are they

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facing with the way we're standing pat

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right now with the mortgage with the

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rates?

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Yeah, so I think, you know, as it

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stands, we have the most mortgages ever

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in Canadian history up for renewal in

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2026. Bank of Canada's recent read on it

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was about 33% of those individuals are

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going to renew at higher rates. OSFI had

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said that, you know, they're expecting

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about 150,000 Canadians going to

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experience financial stress as a result

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of of the mortgage renewal wave. And so,

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I think it's it's definitely a dynamic

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that's probably going to continue to be

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at play. You have the the borrowing

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environment obviously constricts buyers

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on the demand side, but it also can

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create supply on the sell side by

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creating distress for sellers who now

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need to sell their homes to access that

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liquidity. So, I think it's, you know,

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it's it's a moving target.

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As it stands right now, the easiest way

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to measure it is sort of what's the

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mortgage delinquency rate doing, and

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it's rising, but it's still historically

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low. Typically rises in tandem with your

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your unemployment rate. And then, what

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are power of sale listings or

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foreclosure listings doing at a national

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level? And they're still rising as well,

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and at very elevated levels.

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And what are you seeing what what are

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people doing when it comes to renewals?

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Are you seeing

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a

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clear pattern, or is it all over the

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place?

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Uh so, as it stands right now, I mean,

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most recent CMHC data says that

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consumers are taking primarily the

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3-to-5-year sorry, the 3-year fixed, so

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less than a 5-year. And the reason would

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be, you know, they're probably

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anticipating that they feel rates will

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be lower at some point in the future,

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but they're not willing to take to roll

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the dice on it enough to get the

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variable rate trade, which is different

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from this time last year when we did see

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a resurgence of people get getting the

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variable rate trade while people were

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while the Bank of Canada was cutting and

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they were seeing more downside in rates.

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So, consumers have sort of like buyers

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and sellers and refinancers are sort of

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behaving as though they feel that there

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is downside to rates, but they're not

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confident in when that is actually going

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to take place. And it's a difficult

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situation because

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the the fix is so so removed now from

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from the Bank of Canada.

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Yeah, like I mean, the the bond market

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is sort of pricing that it feels that

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rates, you know, are more likely to go

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up than down.

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You know, the bond market historically,

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at least on on predicting sort of Fed

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funds futures and and Bank of Canada

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rate decisions, isn't exceptionally

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accurate because, you know, it's

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time-stamped for today, and the

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variables change over the duration of

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the the the the bond, but

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it would indicate that, yeah, like your

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5-year fixed rate is climbing, you know,

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the the mortgage market does feel like

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there's there's probably at least

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lenders are pricing in a bit more risk,

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but also the bond market is pricing in a

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a bit more inflation, at least as a

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result of sort of the ongoing tensions.

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