Tb (Ra) Vs Zizo (Buddha)

So for the recording guys, um the topic

is Buddha versus Raw. The judge is Sama.

Uh Trouble has Raw and the goat Zizo man

for the master of Ro. Uh Buddha. So

Trouble, you want to go first or do you

want me to go first?

>> Zo, checks.

>> I'll go first, man. There's just going

to be two parts. one, I believe RAW has

the sufficient capabilities to react to

all of Buddha's attacks and then in

combination with his set of abilities,

that being heat manipulation and the

power notification that it grants him,

so he can like just nerf the opponent

and shoots out like thousands of uh like

what is it called? Like what is it like

flames are like heating up to like

>> beams of sunlight? Is is your argument

that he's going to weaken him to the

extent where he can't fight or something

like that? Oh, it's it's like heat

weakens him and then the flames and like

their mere heat would like also affect

him and he just reacts to everything.

>> Oh, the heat the heat would also affect

him.

>> Yeah.

>> And you think that's a wind con? Like

you don't think uh Buddha or someone

could withstand it? Like we see other

characters like Kuchulu can withstand

it?

>> Um from what I remember unless like they

have like a very high like heat

resistance like the likes of Shiva or

any other entity that like uses like uh

elemental attacks within like their

abilities. I wouldn't see as like

>> that's not what I'm asking you. I'm

asking you how would you quantify like

the sunbeams being able to hurt Buddha

>> like that that's your scaling and your

reasoning like I don't see like how like

you can reason that oh because he has an

ability that can weaken certain

characters like Aries that all of a

sudden means that could extend to higher

tier gods like Buddha especially if we

see that it's a foolproof ability and

there's like characters who can like um

power through it and stuff. I'm just

asking for the justification there.

>> Which one are you like referring to? Cuz

like I'm referring to like the heat that

it produces, but you're referring to

like the nullification aspect.

>> Sure.

>> Sure. Yeah. I'm even talking about the

heat as well. I'm talking about

>> obviously we agree that Cuchain can

withstand the heat. Correct.

>> No,

>> he just does on panel. What do you mean

he doesn't?

>> In his in his demon form, do we agree

that he can he can withstand it? Yes,

sir.

>> Oh, yeah. In his demon form, yeah,

>> okay. Okay, sure. Okay. Yeah. I don't

really care about his base. Like his

base is irrelevant. So, in his demon

form, he can withstand those abilities.

Okay. And if he can do that,

>> my bad. No, no, no. Um I'm looking at

the fight. Um when he's in his demon

form, Raw never like does like the heat

stuff, so we don't we don't know

>> what he's he feels the need to call it

back in the end, but he has the ability

on and you are aware of that, right?

>> No, no, no. Like when he's in like the

golden armor, like he can't use like the

uh 50% nullification. He can shoot it

out, but it's not like the passive

thing.

>> It's stronger than the passive thing.

>> Oh, yeah. It's stronger when outputed

but it's not passive. That that's the

whole discussion.

>> The issue that's not my point though the

point is that if he could withstand it

while it's stronger like

question no like him withstanding it is

what's question because the whole

sequence is

just hold on. He jumps in the air as you

like see in panel raw is just like um

focusing on like dodging the attack. He

then gets caught in the attack and

before like he can really do anything he

just one shot and killed. So, we never

see Cuckoo Lane in the demon form

actually sustain the heat itself. So, we

don't know.

>> We see um hold on, let me let me check

this cuz I I feel like you're just

tripping. Um we see him he does pro he

does prominence field, but um

>> he he does it like just on panel.

>> Why does that mean it hit him though? Or

like he was in like the range of effect

because as soon as he did that, he got

in.

>> Hold on. Okay. Is is your claim

literally just that um Hold on. Hold on.

So, cuz I'm pretty sure he just does it

on P. Like, he just withstands it just

fine. Um, hold, let me just check this

cuz I feel like my memory is a bit hazy

on this fight. Um,

>> it's chapter 4.

>> I know what chapter it is.

>> My bad, bro. You taking hell

is so sexy, bro. Like, this is the

strongest [ __ ] That's true.

Be like I'm looking at the right now. Uh

to the Jud Sama. Well, he's not even

going to be paying attention. Never

mind.

But to future Sama, just look in scans

chat. This is a chapter that we're

referring to. Uh, let me

>> Damn. That's how Mazda looks like an

official color.

>> Jesus.

>> Yo, this is old. This is old. This is

like

>> No, he he can he can withstand the

passive effect. I'm literally watching

it. Like, he's definitely withstanding

it just fine.

>> Well, can you justify his passive?

>> What do you mean? I'm talking about the

early one without the golden armor.

Correct. Is that what you're arguing

for?

>> No, without the golden armor. Like he

was dying. Like the [ __ ] just was dying

>> at the beginning. Yeah. But he

entire fight like the guy's like

that's not what I'm asking. That's not

what I'm asking. We're talking about

initially. Yeah. Like Okay. Cuz now I

remember um Yeah, we see that like

obviously Raw has we we agree that if

it's passive, he has it the whole fight.

Correct.

>> Uh pre-armour.

Sure. When he's in Okay, so show me like

the pre- armor instances.

>> Okay. So, the pre- armor instances. So,

we see over here, right, that clearly

that RAW is. So, I I'll send it in

general. Um, and also send in scans for

Sama cuz um yeah, you're just blatantly

lying. Like I have to recheck the fight.

Yeah. So, we see over here. Here's an

instance of him just completely

withstanding it. Obviously, like the

guys are able to fight um and interact

with each other like just pretty

straightforward hand-to-hand

um interactions and um

he's able to swing at him. So clearly

like we have these instances like where

he's not like getting [ __ ] like like

you said, oh he's dying, he's dying,

blah blah blah blah blah blah. Like this

is just blatantly not true. Like he's

clearly able to keep up and fight um

with Raw and like even sometimes like

obviously Raw was like outpacing him

here, but that's just different like in

terms of stats. So if you're talking

about the threats of the golden beam

where he was beaming in there, I don't

think it would hit because Buid would

blitz him. But if you're talking about

his passive effect, given that Cuchin

has no issue like withstanding and

fighting, I don't see how like you can

even argue it would be like a relevant

factor against someone like Buddha.

>> Thank you. Thank you. Uh yeah. So one

the reason why it's going to be like a

well one like the guy isn't like like

what do you mean like sustaining it? Cuz

all we see in these panels is that the

guy one like if you look at the panels