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48 hours until the local elections, but

the verdict on Kostama is already in and

it's devastating. People hate him.

>> Labour and the Tories face wipe out on

Thursday and those voting for reform and

the Greens say they will never ever go

back to their old parties

>> and they are totally rational on this.

They will look and say for 101 15 years

we've been promised change. Elections

come, they promise me change and then

they come in and nothing changes. And

that's what's been so devastating for

for Karma is, you know, the the the

whole ticket they ran on was change.

That was the big thing slogan never

defined. But people look at it straight

away and go, "No, you you you've not

delivered anything like that and they've

lost faith." And I think it's a

troubling place for us to be in because

you know, if we go through another

political cycle and we see reform into

power and they don't deliver change,

where do people go?

>> Tim, we're back on Terrairma. We're no

longer on the road. Are you all right?

Have you managed to find your whatever

it's called? your your non-road show

legs.

>> Yeah, that's fine. I'm I'm very happy to

be back at home. How was your bank

holiday?

>> I decided to walk uh 17 kilometers, also

known as 10 and a half miles across the

Chilton countryside yesterday in a 6 kg

weighted vest.

>> Wow.

>> That's how I spend my free time.

>> Okay. Yeah. You know how I spent mine?

>> Know how?

>> I went to Cambridge to interview Dr.

James our Yes.

>> It was written up in the paper and they

put the photo on the front. They did

loads of photos of James and then just

for one, just to be nice, they did a

photo of me with my dog Bertie and

James. And that's the photo they used.

>> It's what the Tegraph audience would

want.

>> If I had known, I'd have shaved and he

would have had a brush.

>> Would he? Yes.

>> You both really looked bad.

>> You don't want to get that the wrong way

round. Shave the dog and brush yourself.

>> I quite like you looking a little

rugged.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. It's like now we've entered this

new era of your broadcasting career.

Yes.

>> It's like Tim Stanley with an afternoon

shadow. There's something a little

>> Oh, also judging by some of the

fanirling you got last week.

>> Yes.

>> Maybe the public also like you

semi-bearded.

>> I don't know. I don't know.

>> They don't want me semi-bearded. I know

that much.

>> But I had to I had to kill some time and

I walked my dog into Cambridge. I

visited my old college Trinity. And as

you know, to go into these colleges, you

have to walk through the what they call

the Porter's Lodge, which is

>> I don't hang out in Cambridge colleges

as much as you do. But

>> no, but no, I haven't been back for

years because I hated the place.

>> Yes, that's right. So, but I was feeling

quite nostalgic because it was warm and

bright and the pl and it's very

beautiful and we walked into the porters

lodge me and my dog and I said, "Can I

walk around the college?" I'm a graduate

here actually six years here, like a

prison stretch. And I can I walk around

and have a look and he said, "No, you

can't. Not with that dog."

I said, "What's wrong with a dog?" And

he said, "Elizabeth the first ban them."

>> And quick as a whip, I said, "Protestant

cow." And walked out.

>> You're such a Catholic.

>> But I remember I remembered why I hated

the place.

>> Why did you hate the place?

>> Petty fogging rules. Petty fogging

rules. And the the porters are like the

starsy.

>> Yes.

>> With both the politics and the porters,

it's like living in East Germany. I

don't

>> And you once told me that it just wasn't

that fun at times. No,

>> it was all work and no play and you

didn't enjoy it.

>> Natural scientists and mathematicians

>> should have just been a bit more stupid

and gone to Le University like me. You'd

had a well of a time and you'd have been

a very big fish in a very small pond

>> and you probably make a lot more money

than me now. So,

>> well anyway, on that bombshell, we're

going to talk about some polling. Let's

not discuss the gender pay divide in

this room.

>> It's very much the wrong way around.

>> Lee Kane and Scarlett Magcguire join us.

Scarlett Magcguire from Merlin Strategy.

Lee Kane from Charlesb because you've

come up with some super duper polling

and indeed focus group intel ahead of

the local elections on Thursday.

>> Let's just have a listen to some of the

things people were saying in your focus

groups.

>> Labor Prime Minister weak.

>> I just put weak.

>> I put down weak as well. Maybe a leader

weak.

>> Okay. I would say he's weak and

ineffectual.

>> Weak.

>> I had incompetent.

>> Disappointing.

>> Yeah. For armor. I think he's a total

wet rape.

>> I wrote down spineless.

>> I put down puppet. No backbone.

>> In three words. I didn't even think of

three words. I just thought of one. He's

a liar.

>> I think we've got a government that do

not know how to govern. Every single

thing

>> that they promised was a lie.

>> We're going to be writing this up. Tony

Diver is scribing as we speak and we'll

try and put his story as the link in the

show notes. But basically the line we

wanted to explore with you I think is

quite a stark one about the previous

electorates blue and red sympathies

having been completely dashed on the

altar of disappointment and this idea

that the people that you spoke to and

you spoke to more than 4,000 at the

beginning of last month basically say

that they're never going to vote to

Labor again no matter what happens.

Yeah, I think we

it was of all the findings, it was the

one that surprised us the most. We saw

that, you know, almost one in seven

people who um have left the Tories and

Labor to go to insurgent parties, if you

will, of reform and the Greens said uh

only one in seven said they would think

about returning. The others no longer

see it as an option. I think if you look

inside both parties and you know,

particularly the conservatives, there's

this view that people will go and

they'll see reform and they'll sample

it. the same with the Greens that these

parties will fail and they'll all come

back home to the traditional parties.

But these voters were telling us that's

that's not what they tend to do. They've

feel that they've given um both parties

uh their trust in the vote time and time

again. They've been let down by the fact

that they haven't given them the change

that they want. So they are looking

elsewhere. And I think we've seen now a

a large proportion of the electorate

permanently abandoning the Conservative

Party and the Labour Party, which is

obviously going to be a huge change for

our for our politics.

>> But are those people permanently signing

up to reform or Green?

>> No. And I think that's the thing that's