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Former Labour MP sends BOMBSHELL letter calling for PM to be hauled before the Privileges Committee

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Now back to domestic politics. Kia

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Starmer's week from hell somehow just

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got worse. The prime minister could face

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a privileges committee inquiry into

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whether he lied to MPs about the

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Mandlesson scandal. The scandals. Well,

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Carl Turner, a suspended Labour Party

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MP, has written to Sir Lindseay Hall,

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the common speaker today, urging him to

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refer the prime minister to that

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committee. I'm delighted now to be

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joined by the man of the moment. It is

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now the independent MP for Kingston upon

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Hist, Carl Turner MP. Carl, welcome to

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the show. It's a pleasure to have your

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company. Thank you very much for joining

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us. May I ask you, what drove you to

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write to the speaker like this in such a

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dramatic manner about Karma?

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>> Good evening, Martin. Well, the first

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thing I ought to say is I've had to

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write to the speaker today to apologize

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for publication of that correspondence

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because it was in breach of the

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conventions of the house. Uh but it was

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an administrative error within my

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office. But I can tell you I've not

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dismissed anybody. I take responsibility

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for what goes on in my office myself. Uh

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what uh urged me to do this is the prime

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minister spoke in prime minister's

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questions on Wednesday. He was he was uh

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questioned by the leader of his

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majesty's loyal opposition and some of

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the things he said was very much

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inconsistent in my view with the

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evidence that Siri Robbins gave to the

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select committee the previous day.

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That's the reason. I don't suggest the

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prime minister has lied deliberately or

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otherwise but I've asked the speaker to

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consider referral to the privileges

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committee to find out what's gone on.

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Cole Turner. Many people will see this

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as an attempt to put the prime minister,

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your former boss, in the crosshairs of

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an inquiry the likes of which a sleas

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probe finished off Boris Johnson. Are

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you trying to bring down the prime

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minister?

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>> Well, people have accused me today of

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being disgruntled because I lost the

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wit. The reality is I don't bear

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grudges, but what I do is bear uh the

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necessity for decency and integrity in

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Parliament. That's what I'm saying about

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it. I'm to believe it's true. It's not

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about grudge. It's about the fact that

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when things are said in parliament, we

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ought to do our very best to make sure

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what we say is true. And if we don't

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know for sure that what we're saying is

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correct, we ought to be there fairly

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swiftly to correct the record. If that

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goes, Martin, it's pointless having the

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thing there. Coler, we've had two Labour

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Party MPs on GB News these past two days

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asking for Shakir Stalmer to stand down.

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Jonathan Brash was first yesterday.

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Graeme Stringer today. Both asking,

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demanding, saying the time is up, Sakir

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Stormer. Carl Turner, would you like to

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be the third?

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>> Martin, I'm not going to be calling for

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the prime minister to resign as the PM.

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I don't think he should at the moment.

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But what I do say is I'm afraid to tell

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him, and I've said it directly via text

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messages, the mood in the parliamentary

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Labor Party is not very good. Uh it

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doesn't matter what wing you are of the

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parliamentary Labor Party, whether it's

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the left or the right of the party.

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There is a great deal of disgruntlement

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amongst colleagues. And we are concerned

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that unfortunately the prime minister

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has got himself, nobody else, himself

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into a situation which cannot continue

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much longer. And the reality is the

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elections are coming in what is it 14

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days from now, a couple of weeks from

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now, uh members of parliament will go

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back, they'll assess what it means for

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their seats. For example, if I was to

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face the country tomorrow, I'm afraid to

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say I would be booted out of my seat in

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Eastall and I would be succeeded by a

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reform candidate. That's the reality.

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And when MPs start to look at the the

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truth of what's happening on the ground,

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they tend to concentrate their attention

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and they start to say it's time to go.

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>> Maybe be careful what you wish for. If

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Saki Stormer is ousted as prime

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minister, it could be succeeded by

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somebody to the political left even of

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him, Angela Raina perhaps, Andy Burnham,

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Ed Milliban, you know. Are you are you

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are you sure you want to set these

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wheels in motion? M

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>> well look I'm not concerned about

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whether he's replaced by this person or

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that person. I hope the prime minister

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survives. I'm afraid to say it's looking

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unlikely in my view. I've been around

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politics a long time. I've been doing

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politics since I was a child at school.

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That's the reality. I've been in

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parliament since 2010. I tend to have a

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decent nose for it when the PM's in

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bother. Whether it was Boris Johnson in

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the previous parliament or this truss or

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whether it's my own prime minister in

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this parliament, things are looking

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fairly grim. And I'm afraid to say he's

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got to get a grip really fast or else

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he'll be out.

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>> Cole Turner, I'm joined by our political

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editor Chris Hope. He has a question for

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you, sir.

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>> Thanks Carl and thanks for coming on GB

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News. Just to ask you quickly, when you

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were texting the prime minister, was he

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texting you back saying thanks for the

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advice, Carl? Chris, my relationship

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with K has always been really good. I

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was in his his flat in Downing Street

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not so many weeks ago telling him that

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he needed to get rid of Max Sween

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>> before everybody else was telling him to

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get rid of Max. That's the relationship

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I've had with Kia. I've always

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considered him as a friend. But I tell

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you what, I've been an honest friend to

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Kia and I'm sorry to say he doesn't

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listen very well to advice that people

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are prepared to give him. I think the

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truth is Kia prefers people speaking to

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him and giving advice who he wants to

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hear from on the basis that they're

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going to tell him the stuff that he

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wants to hear. I've never done that with

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Karma. I've always told him the truth.

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This whole thing started, by the way,

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suspension and everything else on the

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basis that I told him that the idea of

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doing away with jury trials was the

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worst idea that any political party

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could ever have in the entirety of

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politics. Even Robert Buckland, the

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former justice secretary under the Tory

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government who had the very best excuse

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to do away with jury trials resisted in

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