World No.1 Divorce Lawyer: If You Do This, Your Marriage Is Already Over.
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If you had to give one relationship
ritual to stay in love, what would that
be? Once a week, tell your [music]
partner three things that you love about
them and three things they could have
done better.
>> But some people thinking, well, and if I
told Dave that we're going to start
writing these notes to each other, he's
going to cringe [music] and not going to
do it. [ __ ] Honestly, Dave can't
name three things he likes about you.
Really, Dave? Is that a big ask? I
absolutely call bull on that. The bigger
question is what's uncomfortable about
that for you? And look, I'm not a
therapist. I'm a divorce lawyer. I
represent some of the most high
achieving minds, athletes,
entrepreneurs, and they're just as bad
at this as anybody because there's a
part of us that's afraid to poke at what
do you love about me? What am I getting
wrong? And it's not just romantic
relationships. Like,
my mom died 10 years ago after a long
battle with cancer.
There was a lot between us that needed
to be said and [music] wasn't said.
And there's a part of me that wishes she
was here so that I could have apologized
[music] for some things I got wrong. But
we don't do that because people just
don't want temporary discomfort. [music]
And so I think there's something deeply
courageous about love, about commitment,
about saying I'm going to give them the
opportunity to hurt me. Like it's scary,
[music] but I'm brave. You know, your
marriage will end. It ends in death or
divorce. And for two people at the end
of their relationship to say, "This
person helped me become the most
authentic version of myself." That's the
greatest gift you could give to another
human being. And as you can see from
this photo, I just proposed to my
fiance. I'd like some advice on how not
to mess this up. Like if my fiance ends
up walking into your practice, what is
the reason she's likely to end up there?
The number one reason that I'm going to
have a woman sitting across from me,
divorcing someone who's a great
provider, great protector is
>> that is not obvious to everybody
>> and it'll keep me in business for the
rest of my life.
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[music]
[singing]
James,
as you can see from this photo, I just
proposed to my fiance and gladly she
said yes. So, I've brought you here in
part because I'd like some advice on how
not to mess this up because I know from
speaking to you previously about 50% of
people that get down on their knee end
up messing it up in some way. Before we
get into this though, and before you
help me figure out how to stay in love
and not mess it up.
>> Yeah.
>> Where do you find us at as it relates to
love as a society? If you were to zoom
out and diagnose society's relationship
with the subject of love and their um
ability to keep it, find it, and
understand it, where are we?
>> I think we we're in this really
uncomfortable moment as a culture. I
think we we want more than anything to
feel real connection. I think we're sick
of just looking at screens. I think we
came out of the pandemic with a feeling
of, okay, I want to be in the world with
other people and feel the warmth of real
people.
And yet, we have an increasingly
lower number of useful tools in finding
connection and staying connected, which
are two totally different skills. And
yet we're yearning for it more than
ever. So we're more hungry than we've
ever been and we have no idea how to
cook
>> in your head because you've seen so many
people go through divorce and
relationships fail.
>> There must be a sort of checklist of
things that I'm likely to mess up.
>> Yeah. I mean, well, you know, first of
all, when I when I knew you, you know,
heard you got engaged,
>> I was thrilled because I'm always
cheering for people. I really am. I'm
always cheering for love. And so I think
in our prior conversations, you're
obviously someone who loves very deeply
and and the fact that you found this
person, you know, [clears throat] to me
is the most lovely thing. You know, I I
think at its core, this is your favorite
person. I just can't think of anything
more lovely than that. Like the idea
that you would look at a person and go,
"You're my favorite person." And and
that person would look at you and say,
"You're my favorite person." And that
you would know that it's true. like when
they say it that it's true. Like that
that feels to me like something worth
pursuing. That feels like something that
if I tried to get it and I failed, I'd
try again because if you could find it,
it's just about the greatest thing in
the world. Like the the thought to me
that, you know, I I I won't get to give
a toast at your wedding, but I will say
that if I was going to give the toast,
it would be that there are two wishes I
have for you. You know, your marriage
will end. I mean, I've said it to you
before in one of our first
conversations. Every marriage ends. It
ends in death or divorce. I hope yours
ends in death. And I hope when it ends
in death that let's send you off first
that when you're dying that she will say
hopefully to you or to those around,
you helped me become the most authentic
version of myself and you're still my
favorite person.
Because I can't think of a greater
blessing than that. like for two people
at the end of their life, at the end of
their relationship to say, "This person
helped me become the most authentic
version of myself and they're still my
favorite person." That's the greatest
gift you could give to another human
being, I think. And I like the idea that
even in the face of knowing that this is
risky, this is something that may not
work, this is something that
statistically the odds are against, but
I'm going to give it a shot because, you
know, there's something it adds to my
life and there's something I add to her
life and, you know, we're going to we're
going to give it a shot. I don't know. I
found that very beautiful. As a divorce
lawyer who is also a very big fan of
love, do you ever find yourself trying
to get someone not to get a divorce, has
there ever been an instance where you
you looked at the situation and thought,
you know what, they should just get back
together? Yeah. I what I'll say is my
first thought is often,
is this person accurately perceiving the
situation that they're in? So people
will come in and they'll say, you know,
it really people come to me in very
different situations. So sometimes
people will come to me and they're
they're they've been served with divorce
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