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BREAKING: Latest Labour MP calls on Starmer to ‘fall on his sword’ and RESIGN - 'Zombie Government!'

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Okay, now the big story obviously for

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the past week, two weeks now, the prime

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minister has been referred to the

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privilege committee by a former Labour

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MP over his handling of the Peter

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Mandlesson scandal. In his letter to Sir

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Lindsey Hy, Carl Turner said he was

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concerned that knowingly misleading the

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House constitutes a contempt of

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parliament. Saki Star was recently asked

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about Peter Madison's failed security

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vetting and a decision to fire Sir Ollie

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Robbins. Have a listen.

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Look, um I strongly um uh think that the

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outcome of the security uh clearance

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exercise, the develop betting exercise

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uh was uh important and should have been

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brought to my attention and could have

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been brought to my attention and had it

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been brought to my attention um before

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Peter Mandlesson took up his post and I

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wouldn't have appointed them. I think

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that was a serious error of judgment.

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It's very important to make clear to

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everybody that um Sari Robbins does not

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suggest he did tell me that uh

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information. He makes it clear he took a

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decision not to give me that

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information. I think that was the wrong

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um decision.

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>> Okay. Uh joining me now is Labour MP for

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Blackley and Middleton South Graham

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Stringer MP. Mr. Stringer, thank you so

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much for joining us today. Really good

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to have your company. Uh, now Ollie

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Robbins was sacked for a serious error

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of judgment. You've just heard the prime

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minister say he made a serious error of

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judgment. Is it time that he got rid of

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himself?

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>> I don't think the prime minister can

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survive the rest of this parliament,

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which is the real issue here. I think a

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decent thing for him to do would not to

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resign immediately because that would uh

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leave a huge hole in the middle of

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government, but he should announce

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uh a a timetable for him going so that

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uh the Labour Party could have a proper

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discussion debate about what is best for

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the country, what is best for the Labor

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Party and choose a leader accordingly.

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Graeme, it's really unfortunate that it

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appears now, as many of our viewers are

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saying, we have a zombie prime minister.

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It doesn't matter what he says on

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whatever subject, people are not going

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to take any notice. They're just going

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to keep coming back to this situation.

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>> Well, I think that's right. I think

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that's why uh he needs to make plans for

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him to go in as dignified a way as as

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possible. dignified for the sake of the

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country, for the sake of the Labor

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Party, and for a man who's as, as far as

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I understand it, I I I know him, but not

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very well. He's a decent man who's just

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not been able to do the job, as well as

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I'm sure he would have wished, and the

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rest of us would have wished. So, we

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need to find a way of selecting a leader

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of the Labour Party who will become

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prime minister, uh, who will do a more

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effective and efficient job.

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>> Who do you think that person could be,

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Graeme? Well, I that's

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not something I'm going to answer

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directly because I think we do need a

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debate. This country is in a very

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difficult situation.

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Uh tough decisions have to be taken

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about defense, about the economy, about

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benefits, about energy policy. And those

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tough decisions

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uh have to be taken by somebody who is

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strong enough uh to withstand what is

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likely to be a ferocious debate. Because

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if you change those uh policies, some

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people will lose. But that is inevitable

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because of the economic situation we're

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in, the financial situation we're in.

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And you know, we've got at least two, if

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not three major countries in the world

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who are extraordinarily hostile to us.

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So there are really difficult tough

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decisions to make. So we need the

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debate. To answer your question a bit

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more precisely, I'm not totally

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convinced there is anybody in the

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current cabinet. You know there have

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been names put forward. Uh I will name

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one name. Uh Ed Milliban's name has been

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put forward. Ed Mulliban had a go at

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being leader and he lost a wable

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election. The next election is going to

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be very tough for the Labour party. So I

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think Ed but probably most of the other

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members of the cabinet uh can rule

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themselves out because while the leader

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the prime minister has to take

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responsibility

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in the end and he has to fall on his own

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sword uh it's not been clear to me that

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there has been proper collective

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uh debate and discussion when things

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have gone gone wrong in the cabinet. So,

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I'm not persuaded that the names being

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put forward at the moment uh would do a

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better job. So, there are 400 Labor MPs

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uh and I'm sure we can find somebody who

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has uh the ability, determination, and

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the intellect to do it.

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>> You've been an MP for a long time.

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You've got a lot of experience in

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politics. How disappointed are you in

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the prime minister?

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>> Unbelievably so.

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Um I knew this parliament was going to

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be uh difficult. Uh but I felt the

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things that were said in the election

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uh that we would at least put some order

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into things and we would get rid of the

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uh the unprincipled part. Let's put a a

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a nice word on the unprincipled

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decisions that had been made by the

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previous government. But the chaos that

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was uh true of the last government is

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true of this government. There have been

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18 U-turns. Nothing wrong with a U-turn

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if you make a mistake uh and you you

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realize the mistake, but 18 mistakes

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that have needed reactive hygiene. Uh it

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is the hallmark of a government that

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doesn't know what it's doing and a

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leadership that is not uh leading. So

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I'm extraordinarily

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uh disappointed in the government that

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we haven't done the basics. I mean I I

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can explain that. I had uh two

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discussions with senior conservative

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cabinet ministers about three or four

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months after the election and they were

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already saying they were they were

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disappointed. They just hoped because

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their own government had been such a

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mess at least we would get stable and

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decent uh government afterwards and we

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failed. So I am enormously uh

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disappointed for the country and for the

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Labor party.

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>> Okay Mr. Stringer, we have run out of

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time unfortunately. I have so many more

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questions to ask you. Thank you so much

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for being so honest today and for your

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time. That's Labour MP for Blackley and

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Middleton South, Graeme Stringer MP

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there for you. Okay, now let's go

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straight to GB News political editor

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Christopher Hope.

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>> Christopher, strong words there from Mr.

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Stringer. It has to be said.

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